Doesn't that mean we are fated to do certain things?
>>532842840It's true god made you gay.
>>532842840God knows all the outcomes of the choices you are free to make. Think of it as a maze, where you are free to make choices all you want as you navigate the maze but God is able to see the whole thing
>>532842840Look into Eternalism. Spacetime invariance means everything that has ever happened is always happening across time. So fate is real but it is still manifested by our decisions-we simply are always doing the same thing. If we didn’t the fabric of the universe could tear apart.
>>532842840free will has nothing to do with determinism.
>>532842840i think something about doing things in this realm allows for a "commit" to occur
>>532842840>>532842901>>532843006>>532843165Rabbi destroys Christian religion in 60 seconds
>>532842840Because he didn't stop you.
>>532843757But he’s not dead. I don’t get it
>>532842840The same deity who regrets creating foreskin, so he invites his most loyal followers to mutilate themselves.God's plan for you is to chop off pieces of your dick at birth
You're all going to die.
>>532842840God is above all. Including logic. In your dreams you do impossible things every night. Can god not do what you do nightly? Everything is determined and we have free will so that we may freely choose. What is a contradiction before God?!
>>532842840Shut the fuck up faggot
>>532842840don't believe the word of yahweh aka saturn aka moloch aka baal aka azazel
>>532842840Your decisions are the product of your circumstances, experiences, and temperament.All of these are caused by something else, which is caused by something else and so on.You have free will from your point of view, because you're limited by your senses and whatever your mind is able to discern from them.If you suddenly gained knowledge of every aspect of reality, you'd be able to predict exactly what you were going to do, and whether you whether you would even change any of your decisions. You would take the optimal path that you want without any need for further need for decision making.
>>532842840god created satan because humans have free will and have to choose between good & evil>see how easy that was
>>532843165So God does not know what choice you will make? Therefore God is not all knowing?
>>532842840God's selective foreknowledge is only associated in the Bible with free will and the freedom of humans to make choices whether good or bad. Not the inability to see the future but censoring himself from people's individual choices. .These verses below give people the freedom to choose right from wrong and either obey or disobey.>De 30:19, 20; Jos 24:15Here Jehovah admits lack of knowledge of specific individuals or people based on their choices or future choices.>Genesis 22:12; Genesis 11:5-8; Ge 18:20-22; Exodus 3:7; Joshua 22:22; Psalm 14:22Here you can hurt God's feelings for the bad choices you make. It is not possible to get your feelings hurt when you knew and allowed someone in the future to do something you WANTED to happen. So it's obvious God censored himself from these people's choices and as a result they hurt his feelings AFTER they committed their wrong deeds.>Hebrews 3:16; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 78:40,41; Genesis 6:5-6Here you can make God REGRET!! Regret is only possible when a certain outcome you expected results in something unexpected. God had certain expectations for people but instead he felt regret after their actions changed those expectations. God cannot make mistakes but those around him can AND DO!! As a result they can make him regret their existence or position he put them in.>1 Samuel 15:10,11; Gen. 6:5, 6; Jonah 3:4-Jonah 3:10; Jer. 15:5, 6.ConclusionJehovah's selective foreknowledge is based only in free will and making good or bad choices. Outside of that he can see everything.
>>532842840>>532848883Jehovah just chooses not to see the futures of individuals BY CHOICE. Its the equivalent of your parents respecting your privacy growing up when they stayed out of "your" room, drawers and closets. Remember that "your" room is really theirs since they own the house. However, out of love and to show you they trust you they gave you your own personal space and let you manage it on your own without them constantly monitoring you and flipping your mattress over every day like a prison cell. They chose to risk you doing something wrong or hiding something bad in there.God did the same thing. He chose to respect your privacy(future) by censoring himself of it
>>532842840>if i know what i'll do then it isn't a choiceah the i'm the so retarded i have to be smart argument.
>>532842840we live in linear time, obviouslyGod does not
>>532842840God also can't be all good and all powerful, because if he's all good then he doesn't have the power to do evil and if he does then he's not all good. If you take any superlative to the extreme it creates logical contradictions with other superlatives. The answer is that God can be infinite in constrained ways, like an infinite line, but that's still also very specifically constrained
>>532842840you live in a matrix, you are a computer program, everything is destined, no one has free will; that is a jew psy-op
>>532842840KYS and ask
>>532842840He knows every branch possible to you, he also knows the outcomes of each branch. Which branch to take is your choice.
>>532848883That's a lot of words to say>God is not omniscient
>>532848883>>532848917Does your god jehovah approves your behavior of posting and browsing 4chan? What does the elders and the congregation will think about you? Imagine a watchtower publication giving strong counsel to not do what you're doing. You're making the face of Jehovah's sad today :( If you do not show repentance, you'll be removed from the congregation. Be shunned is not good. But also, hiding your true inner behaviors is a bad thing. Either you're not fully trusting the jw org, or you're so self confident that thinks you're immune to the Satan's temptation's.Whatever the case, I despise you. Disgusting sheep
>>532842840After watching a recording of a live event, I know what the peoples choices were, while they had freedom of choice. God exists outside time, all time already played our where you had freedom of choice. Nothing is predetermined, time is just an illusion.
>i'm a namefag therefore I'm knowledgeable about everythingfilter all namefags
>>532849423It's this. Imagine you're the creator and you handed someone a choice, that choice then belongs to the person you gave it to(free will to choose) but the outcome is largely fixed. It's like in christianity how every road of sin leads to hell except salvation through grace. Free will doesn't contradict god's power, it reinforces the fact that free will comes from god's will. Saying "god knows everything we are going to do" isn't clear. Does he already know? Or does granting the choice alter the future and create a path that didn't exist otherwise? Because if you were god and you knew everyone was going to die without your help, then the end is the same and god knows, so what is there to argue about?
>>532842840free will is a heresy
>>532842840You can either choose to believe God is outside spacetime and in a non causal viewer state, that God "brackets" his knowledge in his actions and what he allows in a way to give us some sort of free will aside from other actors influence, or believe in some sort of dualism blend of fate+destiny ie god predetermines things but how and why he predetermines these things can be the result of free will choices
>>532842840There are Christian sects that believe exactly that.Like Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists, and some Evangelicals.It's called the doctrine of predestination.
God isn't real, it's a story that ancient peoples told themselves.
>>532842840From a logical perspective we exist within Him. His plan exists but it includes free will. From a biblical perspective we have less free will but Jews have total free will, only theirs is counted in the plan and influences ours.
>>532842840How many times will you ask this?God knowing something will happen doesn't mean that the happening was his doing. Quite the contrary, he knows what will happen precisely because that thing will happen at a certain point in future. If it didn't, he wouldn't know.Imagine a magic mirror showing you 9/11 beforehand, does that mean it was the fact you knew that it'd happen which caused the event? Should you be indicted for causing the tragedy? No, rather the event was going to happen whether you knew it or not.OP is a faggot.
God's a faggot.
>>532842840OP if I know you're going to ravenously guzzle cum tonight because you're a faggot, did I somehow force you to?
>>532859047>God knowing something will happen doesn't mean that the happening was his doingSo things happen that are against the will of God?
>>532848698God know all choices you CAN make and all their outcomes. He knows more than you ever will and therefore is functionally omniscient. He likely even knows the probability of you making any particular choice.You still make it. You are responsible for your decisions. You still have a chance to become a better person and elevate your soul in his regard.As an autistic German it is highly unlikely you will learn why he, and everyone else, thinks you're a cunt, but it is possible.
>>532856074OK, I use my free will and not bend the knee to your God. What now?
>>532842840your will is superceded by things you jave no control over. it cannot be free, rather you have a determined will. you always pick the best option regardless if its actually correct. the choices we all make are guided by a will formed in circumstance. not having free will doesnt even make you a slave, it just means trust your intuition and instincts because they are also circumstantial. you dont actively choose everything your brain picks up. the human body can work autonomous from your conscious
>>532859198Only if you are a predeterminist who believes everything happens according to his will. Does God want me to sit at home and use 4chan all day?
>>532859279OK, I use my free will and not bend the knee to your God. What now?
>>532859305>Only if you are a predeterminist who believes everything happens according to his willIf things happen outside his will then he isn't omnipotent
>>532859324Now you'll do what you want, maybe have a good life maybe have a bad one or more likely a mix of good and bad, and then you'll go to hell.
>>532859463>and then you'll go to hell.I use my free will to avoid that too
>>5328428403 body problem and relativity guarantees there is no predeterminism
>>532859490You cannot even avoid a random nigger with a pistol, what makes you think you can avoid the punishment of an all powerful entity that can create the universe with his will?
>>532859354Desire =/= will
>>532842840Predetermination isn't predestination. You think of time linearly, it is not. Time is now. All time is happening at the same moment on God's dimension, every choice you will make you've made, but it's still your choice.The ultimate choice, what it boils down to is this: do you choose to go with love and justice, to go with God or do you choose the darkness? Everything else follows that.
>>532859546>what makes you think you can avoid the punishment of an all powerful entity that can create the universe with his will?Ah so "free will" is just an illusion and what God actually offers is an ultimatum
>>532859594What does a self-sufficient and omnipotent being need with desire?
>>532859279Do I not make the choices that I make with the brain that has been given to me?Pretty sure I didn't get to choose how my brain is shaped.
>>532859620Depends on how you define terms, you're equivocating. Freedom of choice isn't freedom from consequences cupcake.
>>532859662You mean consequences from an omnipotent being who's will always supercedes mine. I don't define the terms with a being like that, they do. And the terms are bend the knee or perish.
>>532859727Yes. And you're free to bend the knee if you so choose to. Which you already do regardless. You bend the knee to gravity, you bend the knee to your legal system, you bend the knee to your social rules.
god doesn't know everything we're going to do, as god could not give two shits. we are infintisimally small and inconsequential on the universal scale on which any god would be working. the observable universe is 550,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles long, and continues well beyond what we can see. if there is a great creator of the universe, a master scientist who blinked everything from the most invisible quark to the largest galactic supercluster encompassing trillions of trillions of trillions of miles in diameter in to existence, they are likely as aware of your existence as you are of each individual bacterium of the tens of billions in a molding yoghurt beneath fat paddy's bed on the other side of the planet.they don't care about your sideburn length, they don't care about your foreskin, and they aren't watching you. they are beyond your comprehension and that of all humanity's greatest minds combined. they have better things to do than the dogshit that desert-dwelling narcissists ascribe to them. the human mind is desperate to feel special and on this planet, we certainly are the top dog. outside of it - on a gods level - we don't even make it to shit on a shoe. tldr; no-one knows or cares what you do with your life, put down the jewish literature.
>>532859781>And you're free to bend the knee if you so choose to. Which you already do regardlessSo then it doesn't matter what I do, I go to Heaven. Sweet>You bend the knee to gravity, you bend the knee to your legal system, you bend the knee to your social rules.Indeed, as if free will doesn't really exist, God or no God.What we so have is cause and effect, which binds our choices via consequences.
>>532842840God isn’t a man in the sky The elites know that God is the creative force in and outside this universe It’s also has a small spark of it in every one of us You can cultivate it and become a more powerful being
>>532842840Because God is both the creator, and the eventuality. Everything and nothing.
>>532859875>So then it doesn't matter what I do, I go to HeavenWhen I said you already do, I meant to the laws of gravity, legal system etc, not necessarily the rule set of the creator. For example go ahead and don't bend the knee the gravity. Jump off a cliff and fly off without any additional equipment. But you won't because you submit to it and are bound by it. >What we so have is cause and effectAgain you're equivocating terms. The choice to make a decision doesn't mean that the paradigm you exist in should be a free sandbox where you can exist as a god. You're given certain parameters and you're free to act in it as you will and you'll be judged in that for what you do
>>532859297free will also suffers from the problem of evil. if you had full agency over fate you would get rid of all evil. no human is capable of doing that, you dont get to choose these things.
>>532859875>Free will doesn't existYou're aware you are a sack of shit and yet you don't do anything to change that predictable outcome. You don't have free will because you are cattle. Rape is now legal
>>532843757kill yourself you dumb fat jew
>>532860000>not necessarily the rule set of the creatorYou mean the ultimatum >>532860000>The choice to make a decision doesn't mean that the paradigm you exist in should be a free sandbox where you can exist as a godThat's not my argument at all. >>532860000>You're given certain parameters and you're free to act Ah so like how a prisoner is given the parameters of his cell and can freely move and act within them, lol
>>532842840He already knows what a bad person you are. The fun part is watching you gradually realize it too.
>>532860029>You're aware you are a sack of shit and yet you don't do anything to change that predictable outcomeWhether I do or not, is governed by cause and effect and the consequences that bound them.Same for you and everyone else
>>532859279>functionally omniscient>>532859546>all powerfulThe fact that there is anything that God does not know, such as the decision you will take, makes God imperfect because he can change (by gaining knowledge of your choice). Perfection is unchanging, it is complete. The God you are describing is not perfect.
Why did the god of atheism make me gay?
>>532842840There is no omniscient god. There are ones with foresight that comes close though.
>>532860225Exactly this
>>532842840>How can we have free will if God knows everything we are going to do?You know what people in the past did. Does that mean they couldn't have free will?
>>532860350>You know what people in the past didHighly debatable.
>>532860350If the people of the past made choices that affect your choices today then do you have free will?
The Abrahamic obsession with insisting that their god is omnipotent and omniscient really is quite strange, especially when their own holy book showcases multiple times how that is not the case.
>>532842840Life is a proving grounds for the afterlife, with Judgement Day being the core reason for wordly living.God already knows the result - you don't.If God skipped the wordly life and went straight to Judgement after creation, you could correctly argue that you weren't given a chance to prove yourself. It is no different to not having exam time and being shown the results of your test because the teacher already knew how you would answer.So God knows your fate, but destiny is in your hands. How you react to things, what choices you make - these will all be used as evidence come Day of Judgement. If you don't believe in the Day of Judgement, then life is completely meaningless and boring because you spend your time like OP on boring questions with boring answers that ultimately leave your bored all the same.
>>532860448I shroom and make my own reality.
>>532860616>I shroomDecision made based on cause and effect and bound by consequences
>>532842840Free will is an utterly meaningless concept for midwits to discuss. You have free will do what YOU want. But what constitutes YOU is either a deterministic meat sack or a deterministic meat sack + a deterministic soul or some shit. Just because you have a soul with a certain personality or magic memories or whatever that is still just determinism in the magic realm.The only way to get free will that isn't determined by a prior state is by invoking true randomness (as might be the case with the quantum realm). But that isn't a free will pick either. So your only option for why anyone picks anything is: determinism or randomness or perhaps a combination of the two.
If you stand on a tall hill overlooking a road, you can see the road fork around the mountain. You can see a traveler on the road. You know he has one of two roads to cross. If you see him carrying one sort of item, you can know he will go one way. You, despite observing and understanding his options, do not affect his ability to choose his own path. Should the traveler then come to you and ask directions, you can provide guidance, but it's still up to the traveler to listen or go his own way.
>>532860608Im not gonna worship a pedo
>>532860686your will is determined and you function in a world thats already devised. youre always going to be constrained by a higher power. all you can do is live in it.
