All these languages evolved from the same language, Proto-Indo-European. It seems like there is a correlation between being economically more developed and having simpler grammar. Why? Like with most correlations there are outliers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxOJ4p8e7NQ
They had to simplify it so niggers could learn. They didn't, so it probably needs reducing to zero.
these areas are wrong on every language map
>>532860857Sea trading creates simpler languages because you don't know how somebody on the other island or ship will speak, you see it with all the patois, pidgin and creole dialects English has. Scandinavian languages are like German creole
>>532861253I also believe English doesn't roll its r's but instead is rhotic because if somebody grew up on a ship they wouldn't learn it, it is a sound you have to learn as a kid or you can't do it. French has a kind of gurgling form of r which is like they need to roll their r as a romance language but couldn't because of the sea trade language, so you get a failed attempt and if everyone does it then it becomes the norm.
>>532860857Why do germans cling to gramtical cases when are every other germanic language has gotten rid off them?
>>532861366>I also believe English doesn't roll its r's but instead is rhotic because if somebody grew up on a ship they wouldn't learn itwhat is the sound a pirate makes?
>>532861091That's not wrong, it's simply not showing any data.
>>532860857>All these languages evolved from the same language, Proto-Indo-European.Is there any proof to back this theory?
>>532861508if this hypothesis is correct then it also has interesting implications for Scotland. their dialect is very heavy on rolled r's, but if they were sea traders then they should have abandoned it. unless they picked it up from slavs somehow on their voyages and brought it back, this means the Scottish sea people will have spoken like how we imagine English (or Irish, Scandinavian or Dutch) who dropped the rolled r as expected and the Scottish dialect comes from the sedentary farming population. like the reverse of how Scottish and English today are perceived. there should be no such thing as a Scottish sounding pirate the stereotypical pirate accent comes from Devon which is the other side of the island. it's all mixed up and wrong!
>>532861253>Scandinavian languages are like German creoleBased on what? You could say English is a French creole. But if you look at for example Haitian Creole the vocabulary is from French but the grammar from the African languages of the slaves. English doesn't have the complex grammar of Anglo-Saxon, the language which dominated pre-Norman Conquest. I'm researching the royal families of Europe. The British royal family are German, they changed their name to House of Windsor from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha due to anti-German sentiment during the First World War. Sweden's current king is a direct descendant of Jean-Baptiste Jules Bernadotte who moved to Sweden from France and changed his name to Karl XIV Johan, the king at the time had no children to inherit the throne and adopted him. Apparently our royal family are part of the German Oldenburg Dynasty, I know nothing about this but I'm researching it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Holstein-Gottorp_(Swedish_line)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_XVI_Gustafhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XIV_JohnAdolf Frederick, king of Sweden in the 18th century was born in Germany:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Frederick_of_SwedenOur current queen was born in Germany and speaks with a German accent:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Silvia_of_Sweden
>>532862202Swedish has much simpler grammar and shorter vocabulary than German >>532861462 it's like a retarded form of German. they can understand most of it but it looks childish and lazy.
>>532860857Bulgaria should be bright yellow. Vocative is not a functional case, and the other one is some remnant that doesn't exist in practice outside of a few words/phrases.Also south-east Bulgaria is not turkish, this map is retarded.
>>532862270English and French aren't really comparable. they are different language families entirely. however, both are simplified versions of their root languages (German and Latin) and with shared vocabularies, they can be understood to an extent, but not in a way that makes you think one descends from the other. like a person tried to speak French but it came out as English because they were retarded, which is what a creole definition is.
>>532860857Germoids being the economic powerhouse of Europe disproves your point easilyPoortugal is a counterexample in the opposite way, they're poorer than many slavs
>>532860857Bulgarian has no cases anymore, it used to have 8 before turks raped us for 500 years
>>532861462That's a good question. I don't know. I think I asked chatgpt before but I don't remember what it said. Someone on here claimed it was inserted artificially to mimic Latin but as far as I remember chatgpt didn't agree and the person who said that didn't back it up. I will research it. German is interesting, for example what we think of as German today is just one dialect which was picked to be held as standard and propped up by the government etc. Low German for example, which was the language of the Hanseatic League, is much simpler grammatically, pretty much the same level as English, Dutch and Scandinavian Languages. It's called a dialect of German but it's really another language. This language is the liturgical language of the Mennonites. Mennonites and Volga-Germans are also interesting to look into.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntcjaFbyfbUGerman creole in Papua New Guineahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRlnVhdw7y4
>>532862270No, we can't understand most of German without studying it. Just a few words here and there. Swedish grammar is simpler than German grammar yes, only slightly more complex than English grammar, as for vocabulary I don't know, nor is it the topic. Not a single post ITT so far was about the actual topic.
>>532862534they were already in decline before the turks came
>>532860857International trade is good, autarky is bad. And talking to foreigners requires a simple language. This is a map of historic lingua francas.
>>532862691I meant Germans can understand you, not the other way around as it's too complex.en german kan förstå vad jag skriver härmy answer to the topic question is sea trading makes them rich and simplifies the language. you ignored my posts while responding to them.
>>532860857because when a country becomes more developed, other people start migrating to it but don't fully learn the local language, so it gets progressively dumbed down
>>532862376You're full of shit. English has a lot of French words in it. You spam this thread and aren't making any substantial contributions.
>>532862878>English has a lot of French words in itdo not argue about linguistics if you have 0 knowledge of the subject. The entire world has a lot of English words because of business and the internet but that doesn't make them related
>>532862788Yeah, I am pretty sure I don't understand scandinavian languages.
>>532862508Learn to read, I said there are outliers. There is a clear correlation overall, with a few outliers, where more economically developed countries have simpler grammar, among Indo-European languages.
>>532862979True, there is some correlation.Yellow have all been seafaring and trading nations/empires so maybe the english anon is getting at something.Although you might expect the greeks to fit into that too but maybe for them it was too long ago.
>>532862973depends how close you live to Denmark, and this would mostly apply to the written form. even English speakers can pick up lots of written swedish and even dutch to the point it's a joke.
>>532863143you do have to think about it for a second or two though which most people do not do
>>532860857i dont think its because of grammar, portugal isnt especially wealthy after all.but places like russia arefar and distant from the center of european trade, while lowlands and england are in the middle of it.the lowlands is the place all goods from across the world have arrived to europe for the last 400 years or so.when silk road was important, mediterannian was richer due to it leading primary there, when the cape was discovered and new world, the first to access it reaped the benefit.but that was short lived and areas with a lot more population density & access to other european markets ended up profiting more, and that are was the lowlands, england was in the neighbourhood and enforced their wealth tighter through the dutch-english wars.now russia, ukraine and the east in general had a big issue of low population density, this makes urban development slower, aristocratic power stronger meaning capitalism didnt take off as early, and there were no good trade routes as time went on, the only good one was the varangian viking route but that dried up as sailing got better & trade from the east, once again shifted due to other routes as mentioned.point is geography is destiny, language isnt that important, obviously genetics too but we're all pretty close to each other genetically speaking.
>>532862788Like most anglos you are stuck in the domain of semantics and vocabulary, when that's not the topic at all. Anything to do with semantics and vocabulary is off-topic, as is anything about pronunciation, so fuck off, low-effort spammer. I don't think Germans understand Scandinavian languages any more than vice versa, because you need to know the meaning of words first, and then the grammar second, and nobody is getting past the first filter in either direction, there is no difference in filtering there which stems from a difference in grammar.
>>532862928fuck off
>>532860857Correlation does not equal causation and there are better reasons for economic disparity. The east has basically been in constant war. It's the border land of Europe where the invaders come. Because it's so flat and has massive open planes. And is easy to access from Asia.
>>532863586>Correlation does not equal causationdid I say that?
>>532863490what do you mean fuck off? If you're interested in the subject, by all means, participate, learn, read on it. But do not try to argue for stupid shit out of ignorance and even make completely contradictory statements like in the post I originally replied to and this one >>532863342t. studied linguistics in uni
>>532860857I prefer the ORIGINAL TERM ARYAN, but yeah that tracks. Linguistics are fascinating. Our ancestors were hillbillies from the steppe, and conquered everything from Ireland to western China. We took India, the Middle East and, Egypt. Things might not be looking good at the moment but our ancestors conquered the world. They did that for us. As long as our DNA is intact, we have that same fight in us. We have to win. If we don't then thousands of years of our forefathers blood swear and tears was all for naught. We're gonna make it guys. It might take 100 years of brutal ethnic cleansing and hardship, but compared to what our ancestors did its a drop in the bucket
>>532863242>because of grammarAgain, where did I say this? Maybe you coombrains need to learn how to read. Fucking Down syndrome home this website.
>>532862073The pirate accent is Cornish.
>>532863690fuck off retarded universitycuck, learn basic argumentation, they don't teach that at university
>>532860857Language is connected to power. In china they keep it complicated on purpose to keep the peasants from knowing how to read. Simple grammar is the opposite of that. More emancipation.
>>532860857English is the richest most worded language in the world. Retard.
>>532860857But Portugal is a poor shithole?
>>532863667Anyway, many of these countries are now richer than Western ones and are improving.
>>532863802>basic argumentationI responded to your argument that "English and French are comparable because English has a lot of French words". English also has a lot of Arabic words, are they comparable? Is that the height of your basic argumentative skills?>lot of words in common>vocab is irrelevant
>>532863822I speculated about such things here: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/516200433/#516205882
>>532860857>having simpler grammar.>indo-europeanIt makes sense that indoniggers are blind to how silly their grammars are.
>>532863926didn't read, filtered id, fuck off
>>532864057After the Donut Battery scam I lost all respect for Finland.
>>532863223Well, obviously that particular instance would make no sense in Sweden. What if one of the 30-year-old child refugees has a sexual emergency?
>>532864057Learn how to make a point. If you're just going to shitpost then fuck off and go back to jerking off instead. Your dick is your friend, downie.
>>532860857>Sweden talkinglmao your king had to evacuate via the TURKS when he got his bussy rekt in RussiaThe reason for "simpler" (i.e. degenerated) grammar in the West being correlated with "better economy">several French monetary system crashes that resulted in half of Paris getting beheaded>Brits stillvpaying back debt for an 18th century uber-crash>Spanish gold crash>Italians literally causing the Byzantines to collapse due to debt scams>British bankers doing the same to Turksis simple:the countries over there with the "complicated" grammar "correlated with poverty" have shielded you militarily for centuries from the muslim menace, which had a policy of totally depopulating an area each time they were pushed back, so re-conquerors literally walked onto burnt land where anyone who resisted being taken into slavery was killed and left to rot open-air. Western "wealth" (Where are your Venus space expeditions? Where are your cancer-treating proton beams? How much tool steel do you produce?) is a byproduct of not having your infrastructure destroyed every 50 years by some flavor of muslim horde. The climate is also mild, so you don't have to deal with nature washing your roads away – literal stacked bricks from Roman times still stand in Western Europe.The simplicity of western languages is correlated with a lack of selectionary pressures for excellence, you are a retardmaxxed race, so much so that your kids now naturally speak niggerbabble and you can't blame American blacks for this – they invented "finna" and "done xxx-ed" grammar; the zoomerspeak which is so shameful to even hear that "uncs" often confuse it with nigger influence, is western white degeneracy.Rome was the most economically advanced and complex in its time, and their Latin had a multi-case grammar so arcane, some grammar features died with it.Get fucked, freeloader degenerates
>>532863143>>532863223You're completely scatterbrained and don't know how to argue a point. First of all English grammar is even simpler than Swedish grammar, so where's your point there? Secondly understanding individual words, such as in a sign saying "gångtrafik förbjuden" has nothing to do with how simple or complex the grammar is in your language or the other language. Germans understand "rulltrappa" just like Swedes understand "Rolltreppe". These are cognates, that has nothing to do with grammar. Anglos can't discuss grammar, any discussion of language with anglos always gets stuck in semantics and vocabulary. You made one brief assertion where you speculated regarding the actual topic, from there on you've just been spamming off-topic, scatterbrained coombrained mouth-diarrhea. You love to hear yourself talking. Get a diary.
>>532863242>language isnt that importantLanguage is the topic. There is a correlation. That correlation is the topic. Thanks for wasting my time reading all that shit, none of which was relevant. Learn basic argumentation. 224 words and nothing of relevance or substance was said.
>>532861462Icelandic and Faroese still have cases.
>>532861091Why won't you throw the swede out, Pekka? They've been occupying you forever now.
>>532864615mouth-diarrhea, learn how to argue
>>532861091show me the correct map then
>>532865788I've seen your other posts, this is your only response.Read books for 2 years before coming back to post, niggerbrained zoomer. There are unironic african blacks with American education that are more capable of understanding than you – have you no shame, "white man"?
>>532866141learn basic argumentation before you post again, shitposting coomer
>>532864615>your kingwe've had tons of kings stupid fucking nigger. All countries have kings and rulers who do retarded fucking things once upon a time. God you are so fucking retarded it hurts
>>532860857Lol
>>532866233>>532866676Hurts to be confronted with the fact that you are planetary freeloaders, doesn't it, "yt boys"?
>>532866755>>532867092>t.
you should look at english itself to have your answer, here you have a language that in just 1000 years went from a highly inflected synthetic language comparable to Norse to modern english, arguable the most synthetic west European language, it hardly is economy per se, Greek on the other hand has only lost one additional case in 2000+ years and going from depths of poverty to highs of wealth and relevance
>>532867831>here you have a language that in just 1000 years went from a highly inflected synthetic language comparable to Norse to modern english, arguable the most synthetic west European languageThat's not English. Despite the name "Old English" is not English, it's a different language entirely. If you replace one plank at a time of a ship then when all planks are replaced it's no longer the same ship, but for "English" the apt analogy is you replace the entire ship except the propeller in one feel swoop, not once but a few times, and then keep calling it English. German and Icelandic are closer to "Old English" than English is.
>>532860857>there is a correlation between being economically more developedThere is a correlation between being economically developed and be as far from Russia as possible. Fixed it for you.
>>532867831>you should look at english itself to have your answer>it hardly is economy per seYou made no argument whatsoever.
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