serf died with honor fighting for his land
>>532873746Hunter-gatherers had it better than either of them. Agriculture was a mistake.
>>532873746>local lord >his landYou fucking retarded mate?
>>532873746>serf>owned his own land
>>532873746You can live as a feudal serf today. Come to America and work alongside the illegal beaners in the strawberry fields.
>>532873746How many hours did you work this week?
>>532873746Add HOA to the right
>>532873746Also your king was more antisemite than you depending the era.
>>532873746the serf worked from home with his family.the modern wageslave commutes 1 hour each way on his own dime and sees his family for like 4 hours a day on a weekday. lmao.
>>532874812How many hours did you spend commuting this week?
>>532874291>>532874340nope thats what serfdom was likeserfs were given land and for that privilege they had to also work on lord's who had lordship over the area lands couple days a year at first but later it grew during imperialist times to couple days per week but it could've been shared between multiple serfs living in one householdrelatively speaking medieval serfs were better treated than modern serfs although technology was shit so quality of life was also shit
>>532874859none because i work from home. most people don't. (i'm at "work" right now.)how much do you make a year btw? i make $155k.
Give up already. I'M NOT DYING FOR ISRAEL!!!
>>532874904>Being a subsistence farmer is only 2 days of work a year and the rest of the time you just lounge around jacking off and scrolling social media.I really don't understand why you guys don't just cob together and buy some cheap land and start your own little hunter-gatherer or subsistence farming community where you can all just sit around all day enjoying life.
>>532874948Yeah all you can brag about in this society is about how much money you earn.Grim, and they call it the bright age.
>>532874904not sure if retarded or i'm getting trolled
>>532874948Yeah, feudal serfs definitely had it better than you. Sounds like you ought to have enough money to buy some land and become a yeoman farmer then nobody would be enslaving you.>>532875004I died for Israel twice last week.
The land was the lord's land. The crops were the lord's crops. All the land. All the crops. Serfs kept whatever the lord didnt take, but they didnt own any if it.
>>532875008because irs and feds dont care if you call yourself independent farming community religious group or whateverhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
>>532875008>that picwtf is this retarded nonsense? please elaborate. are those real people making a farm or just some junkies with an art project?
Notice how life gets shittier and the only constant is you stay enslaved to richfags who you then simp for?
serfs neither owned land nor were levied as troops
>>532875215Because you don't own it too. You will die your land will not be yours anymore, It's God's land not yours.You wouldn't get it, they didn't give the same meaning to money than today back then. Completly different paradigm.
>>532873746>Medieval peasants only worked 20 hours a weekThis extremely misleading. They worked sunup to sundown during spring, summer, and fall but didn't work at all during winter since they couldn't farm when there was snow on the ground.
>>532875119you are retarded>Serfs had a specific place in feudal society, as did barons and knights: in return for protection, a serf would reside upon and work a parcel of land within the manor of his lord. Thus, the manorial system exhibited a degree of reciprocity.>One rationale held that serfs and freemen "worked for all" while a knight or baron "fought for all" and a churchman "prayed for all"; thus everyone had a place (see Estates of the realm). The serf was the worst fed and rewarded. However, unlike slaves, they had certain rights in land and property.
>>532875240>Waco_siegeSo some shit that happened almost 40 years ago on the other side of the planet is preventing you from becoming a subsistence farmer?>>532875266You must be over 18 years old to post here.
>have to fuck within eye and earshot of your kids because your house is tiny
>>532875341Im clarifying that they didnt spend most of the time working on "their" land and then a portion of time on the lord's. All of the time they spent working was on the lands that belonged to their lord. All of the crops that grew on those lands were their lords. The castle didnt have its own little farm for the castle residents. All of the farms you could see from atop the ramparts belonged to the lord.
>>532875475the lord owned the land the serf tilled, he LITERALLY owned the serfs too, they weren't allowed to leave the lords landsand if the lord wanted to move somewhere else, the serfs were forced to move with him
>>532875482taxes laws or not enough land in most of cases doesbut there are also situations where some kikes come to destroy your little pretty corner because its demoralizing the rest of cattle
>>532875658retard>A lord of the manor could not sell his serfs as a Roman might sell his slaves. On the other hand, if he chose to dispose of a parcel of land, the serfs associated with that land stayed with it to serve their new lord; simply speaking, they were implicitly sold in mass and as a part of a lot.
>>532875558yeah instructing the kids to spend an hour outdoors was just as impossible then as it is today
>>532873746>healthcare feesyou're a gypsy not a mutt.
>>532875570That's not true the tax was generally 10% on the recolt and in return the Lord assured their protection.Lord first function was military. In case of attacks peasants and serfs were sheltered in the castle.But it's a very long period, there have been ups and downs and it's different between nations.
ChatGPT is making it a lot easier to spot the retards
>>532874904>serfs were given landLmao the absolute state of Pooland education!Serfs RENTED land from their lord.They never owned land.
>>532873746>believing revisionist historyGood lord the left really is mentally retarded."Serfs had it better than us">70% childhood mortality rate>lived in filth and died of diarrhea
>>532876017same as you never own land you rent it from government and pay for it periodically in form of taxesthe difference is you pay with fiat money and they paid with work >A lord of the manor could not sell his serfs as a Roman might sell his slaves. On the other hand, if he chose to dispose of a parcel of land, the serfs associated with that land stayed with it to serve their new lord; simply speaking, they were implicitly sold in mass and as a part of a lot.
>>532875703Yea but he is kinda right, with power of democracy if all people in a world that want to live in based agriculuture would gather in one small country we could do whatever we want. Maybe colonize some part of africa ?
>>532873746>serf>Owned his own landNope.>Died [...] at the ripe age of 60Also nope. 50:50 odds of dying before age 35.
>>532876344memeflag, begone
>>532875703>taxes lawsCan you cite some of the specific laws that are holding you back?>kikes come to destroy your little pretty corner because its demoralizing the rest of cattleHow many times has that happened to you or someone you know IRL?>>532876168>land you rent it from governmentHow much do you pay your government in rent every month?
>>532876168Lmao Poolander stop embarrassing yourself.Owing land and paying taxes isn't the same as renting land.Also look up what tithe in the middle ages was and who paid it before you start bringing in taxes.And as a cheery on top with your quote you pointed at another serf disadvantage.A serf couldn't move from his rented land without his lords permission.
>>532875658No, you could leave. If the Lord was a cunt you could pack up and go find a ore suitable land lord. Or you could find a free bit of land, usually a type of collective but also not anywhere convenient or as prosperous.
>>532873746>serf owned his own land >high trust society This nigga been playing too many video games lmao
>>532874904>serfs were given landNo, they were permitted to live on the lord’s land in exchange for providing labor and goods. They were also charged fees for living on the land and fees for using any of the lord’s other resources. It was glorified sharecropping.>couple days a year2-3 days a week, 12-16 hour shifts of hard manual labor depending on the season.
>>532876892free ploughmen are recorded in the doomsday book
>>53287374675 isn't unnaturally long. We have artificially and systematically shortened lifespans.
>>532877093Yea, a tithe, 10% not bad taxes these days.
>>532874031FPBP.
>>532877302>10%Yeah that's justnl the tithe. You also had to perform other labour for the lord, pay to use other resources (IE, you had to pay the lord to use the village plough and ox) and serfs would be raised for peasant levies in a pinch too. This polish dipshit has no idea what he's babbling about or is a shill trying to crack consensus on us accepting neoserfdom.
>>532877093>It was tied with the decrease in monetary rent, replaced by physical labor, demands for which increased over time.[12] Whereas in the early days of serfdom in Poland, the peasant might have been required to farm less than three weeks in a year for his lord, in the 16th century, a weekly service of 1–2 man-days become common
>>532875323I have a feeling we're going to enter the next stage of this soon.
>>532873746Feudal societies were differents depending of the kingdoms. In some the serfs were find, they were not even serfs but free mens with small land properties or low ranking nobility, and in some areas they were more harsh, or semi-slaves locked in a land. But again it depend of the specific era.Sometimes when people try to do generalities about feudalism they take a model happening somewhere (France, Russia, UK or even Japan) and believe the whole places were like this. It's often because commies sprayed disinformations.
>>532874904slavs make perfect slaves.be a free farmer insteadt. free farmer
>>532877498you already accepted neoserfdom by agreeing to give away majority of your salary in taxes dipshit
>>532877498serfs were also forced to give another 10% to the church in either money or goods
>>532874549not the same, working in a field picking berries today doesnt pay enough to live, all you could afford is to live in a cardboard box, at least the serf had his own cottage and worked among his own people
>>532877644you cant be a free farmer when government controls what you can grow and forces you to pay taxes to participate in their totalitarian projects like mass migrationcurrently farmers are getting fucked by coal tax and other means of *protecting environment*
>>532877498Bro, the Lord had to provide for the ploughing, not the serf, you worked his land they had to feed you and provide the equipment, this was backed up by the church. How els do you think they got people to work the land.Serfs where very self sufficient, if th3y didn't like it they would just leave and go somewhere else.
>>532877784yeah it was called tithe+ you worked on your lord's fields in exchange for land and protectionat beginning it was very little days but during imperialist times it became worse than modern taxes
>>532877845>government controls what you can grow Cite some of the laws that prevent you from growing subsistence crops for yourself.>and forces you to pay taxesHow much taxes did you pay last year?
>>532877963im not your legal advisor you dumb fuckgo check the laws associated with agriculture or go fuck yourself really you are not contributing anything
>>532875008Waco, Ruby Ridge.
>>532873746Idealizing serfdom probably isn’t a great sign of the times
>>532873746And then the serf died of a tooth infection
>>532877947>if th3y didn't like it they would just leave and go somewhere else.Sadly that wasn't the case around these parts. It was eventually abolished.... But somehow only negroes can cry about slavery
>>532878558Like anyone can just afford dental these days.Damn near died of blood poisoning from bad teeth myself because here in canada dental isn't "healthcare" and it's all private. Got lucky in that an aunt and uncle were willing to fund me for full extraction and dentures after that.
>>532873746>unnaturally long 75>long>75Do Murrricans really? Lmao
>>532875119Serfdom is a legal contract, not chattel slavers (unless its Russia).Its a deal were you give up your right to move freely in exchange for guaranteed housing and land, often also stipulating the lords duty to provide tools and to supply food in times of famine.If the contract was broken, you yould drag your lord to court and either dissolve the contract, obtaining your freedom, or recieve significant financial compensation.>>532875174>Sounds like you ought to have enough money to buy some land and become a yeoman farmerSerfs had about 20% tax rate on average incliding any rents, not 50-60% plus tips plus mortgage enslavement to the bank like today. Kys >>532878558And then the serf had his tooth pulled by a local barber-surgeon, which hurt like a bitch but ended the infection.
>>532873746>be born a peasant in 14th century france>have to do corvees for faggot nobles>faggot nobles and king tax you for everything and anything while being tax exempt>your neighbour gets fed up and starts a jacquerie>jacquerie is put down mercilessly by french knights>they don't care you weren't involved>your wife and all your daughters get raped and killed>wonder how it can get worse>surprise chevauchee by the english>manage to find refuge in a walled city>city is immediately put under siege>sickness and famine>die shitting blood and covered in pustules>c'est la vie
>>532873746Serfs were retards desu
>>532878672We like to shit on the Normans here, but ending full on slavery is one good thing they did.
>>532878799Well you are supposed to visit a dentist at least once a year which you obviously didn't. I just had my tooth extracted (private clinic, wasn't free) and learned that i have a benign tumor in my mouth lol, doctor was angry that I wasn't serious about it, that I learned online it's just a benign lump, she fucking hated that and I am not surprised. People shouldn't depend on the internet about this stuff.Finally I am going to use my fucking health care I pay every month because there will be a surgery even!
>>532874904>serfs were given landThe local noble was given land, the serfs were not, they were allowed to live and toil the land on behalf of the local lord but it wasnt theirs, they couldnt sell it, on top of that they were bound to the land so they couldnt leave and work somewhere else with better conditions without the lord giving permision, something he almost never did, if you were born in the lands of Count Roderick of house Slavedriver you were fucked.I get north and southamericans not understanding feudal Europe because its not part of their history but a pole should at least know this very basic notion.
>>532879142>be bong working class during the 18th century>stab one of those rich poofters for underpaying you>free trip to Australia to hang out on the beach for free>your progeny shitposts on Mongolian Basket weaving boardsIts a living
>>532879444That visit probably didn't cost so much that you had to choose between it and groceries for the month.
>>532874549But we can't have 17-year-old wives because roasties and simps would throw a fit, so no we can't.
>>532874031fpbp
>>532873746They paid the rent by working maybe 20 hours a week but that’s on top of your own work and the time you need to work the most is during harvest and guess what, that’s when you need to work the most for your master too. Also serfs didn’t own land that’s literally the definition of serfdom.
