which god?

>>532880068
The hecking kike god of course.

>>532879990
Live an honorable life

>>532880068
theres one god. your question is nonsensical. Its like asking which number 1?

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>>532879990
You'll go to hell and you'll unironically prefer it to the alternative.
To be saved you must admit that you are broken and need to be saved.
To be damned you do not.
So you will persist amongst the vast unwashed masses for eternity in a place of constant torture crafted by the souls comdemned there. Imagine greatest possible "Crabs in a bucket" scenario.
God could leave the door to heaven wide open and not a single damned soul would ever choose to step through it due to his own hubris.

God is an evil kike.

>>532879990
It's far more likely that the Norse gods will turn out to be real than the Middle Eastern deities.

>>532880068
The God of the Holy Bible and the Quran are said to be the same God. If you have that view then 2/3rds of the world believes in the same God.

That God.

>>532880068
Spoken like a true atheist.

>>532879990
God is real, he’s a jewish desert demon who consumed his pantheon and now hungers for the souls of goyim

Stop worshiping anything with superpowers

>>532880259
There are literally thousands of gods. You'll need to be far more specific.

>assblasted cult member needs to make a cope thread because they got btfo the last 'gospel' thread
go peddle your jewish guilt driven shit to /x/

>>532880499
This is true.
I asked St Micheal to show me heaven and Jehovah was eating people like chicken wings.
Tearing off their skin and huge chunks of muscle with his teeth all while they screamed.

>>532880437
Except Islam is basically sand Mormonism. People like them both for the same reason. They tell them more things they want to here. This should be suspicious but the average person is retarded.

>>532879990
Die evidently, no other way to prove it.

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Just be a good person bro.

>>532880688
Ok if by a wacky coincidence you feel an unusual bumhole sensation don't tell me I didn't warned you about the aryan spirit

>>532880763
Roman Catholic "apologetics" YouTube channels are operated exclusively by stupid people.

>>532880393
This.
Non-serviam, esto perpetua they'll say.
Your will removed from the friction of embodied existence has no course correction mechanisms to turn you back towards God. You will willfully and eternally point yourself away from the only thing that can be fulfilling forever.

If there is a god, and your atheism was your own logical conclusion and you still maintained morals, I am sure God is great enough to forgive you for a mistake of facts.

>>532880393
Unironically believing that the creator/destroyer of the universe is your personal, invisible best friend who created hell for you and is going to send you there unless you love him. Now that's hubris

What if Christians find out the true God isn't theirs after they die? What if the real God hates believers of fake religions more than atheists? What if Pascal was a brain dead nigger?

>>532881297
hell was created specifically for Satan, not any human.

>>532881377
What if my mom was a Boeing 737?

>>532880522
the god of all monotheisms. the god of your forefathers hopefully. once you stop pretending belief and actually accept reality that your one god is true and real, then it follows logically that all monotheisms worship the one true and real god. Stop being a doubting thomas.

>>532879990
Use my "free will" and avoid it

>>532880259
>theres one god.
To you

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>>532879990
lol

>>532880914
Trent horn is a filthy Jew too

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>>532881377
Then where are these people of the true god? Seems like we're all going to hell then because if it isn't Christianity, can't imagine what else it would be considering how shit the rest of the non-Christian world is.

>>532881587
She'd probably crash, Anon

>>532881297
God doesn’t send you to hell, you choose hell. Jesus Himself once said to a holy soul that there is not a single soul in hell that didn’t tear itself from His arms.

>>532879990
I might be an atheist but I doubt God would think I'm worse than all those "Good Christians" starting wars for Israel.

...unless God is the Jewish God them I;m utterly fucked kek.

>>532879990
you burn.
duh.

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>>532879990
>if god, hell etc. turns out to be real?
Well, waiting to find out the hard way is certainly not a winning strategy.

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>>532880068
Baal Yahweh, Lord Destroyer of the OT

>>532879990
>But what if
It won't.

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>>532882435

The Great Teacher has yet to be proven wrong once.

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>>532880068
the real one
>>532879859
>>532879904
>>532879939

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>>532879990
pov you die and YHWH is standing there looking at you like this

>>532881955
They never seem to grasp this. God isn’t sending them anywhere. They are choosing where they go. Also I don’t know if the lake of fire is biblically accurate. Jesus often spoke in parables and allegory. In my opinion Hell means eternal separation from God. All of the good in the world comes from Him. Thus hell is constant pitch blackness, misery, depression, anxiety, all of the things that come from sin, and turning your back on God.

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>>532880393
This is exactly correct. The damned are exactly where they choose to be and God's justice is perfect.
>>532881297
>Love me or go to Hell
That's never been the mandate from God at all. Your ignorance is showing. Its a choice to turn towards God or away. That's it. If you turn towards Him and continue doing that all your life you'll develop a relationship with Him and come to love Him. If you turn away from Him and continue to do so you will be cutoff from Him. He doesn't force you into anything you choose it. Hell is actually a mercy a mercy for the fallen. They cannot exist in the presence of God its painful so they are given a place cutoff from Him. They're also cutoff from the source of all that is good in the world. You'll miss the little reliefs that are good amidst the suffering in this life. The blessed relief of shock dulling pain. The blessed feeling of emptiness after vomiting out sickness. The blessing of a friend in the trench with you that at least gives a smile.

In Hell you only have the negative. No relief. Not a single thing that is good. You will vomit with no pause. You will endure pain with no unconsciousness. You will burn without nerves so the pain cannot end. And sadly you will choose all of this because you keep choosing to turn away from God. I pray your hearts soften and you turn to Him. As the relationship grows with Him you are given understanding that most of your suffering here is self inflicted by not following His will and the understanding of the purpose of your suffering that isnt self inflicted and how it helps you grow. Turn to Jesus anons. That's the only step you must take. And keep taking it. You'll see.

>>532882999
Is God going to be completely destroying the Earth/universe and so the only 2 places to go are heaven/hell? Could someone that doesn't like heaven but would still find it preferable to hell go to heaven? Surely if God isn't forcing people into hell that should be possible.

>>532882648
Oy retardo, you're my neighbour.
Stop making me look bad with your retardedness.
If there is a god, I really don't think it'd be a freezer or a nucular power plant or hiding in the quarks.

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>"God is amazing!"
>makes you an ugly manlet dicklet
>"Worship me for the gift I gave you!"
Definition of insanity

>>532881655
>stop pretending belief
You started it.
>accept reality that your one god is true and real
I get that you want to believe that but clearly your brain has turned into such utter mush that you have lost a grip on what reality is or what the word true means.

>then it follows logically that all monotheisms worship
Your cognitive dissonance is preventing you from realizing that this is a rationalization, a kind of logical fallacy. Irrational beliefs in supernatural beings are far outside the realm of logic, knowledge, reason and evidence.

The strain of holding all these conflicting beliefs and ideas long term has apparently damaged your ability to reason

>>532883873
>He will transform the body of our humiliation so that it may be conformed to the body of his glory, by the power that also enables him to make all things subject to himself.
dont get filtered so easily.

>>532883326
You cannot dislike Heaven.

There was a Vatican anon a while back. Probably a larp with a signet ring but he claimed to have access to the literature in the vaults. According to that he stated that souls primarily stayed in heaven with Jesus because it was just that good to be there. A very few would visit a dreamscape with Gods permission for short trips before returning to heaven. Think alternative realities that God collapses into our reality. Mortals can see into here in dreams at times and God sometimes allows a visitation. Apparently a soul could visit Hell but none do.

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>>532883190
>Its a choice to turn towards God or away. That's it.
And if you don't make the right choice you burn in magic lava forever. But it's totally a free choice. The same way that if someone puts a gun to your head and says to give them your money or else, that's a free choice. Just give him your money freely and you will be saved.

>>532881955
You're saying this god of yours creates hell, starts sending your other gods there, then people start showing up and it's their own damn fault? When priests perform exorcisms, don't they command demons to return to hell? Seems like hell is a very busy place and very convenient for believers to invent farfetch stories about.

>>532884130
Christianity has so many different conflicting beliefs its hard to put stock into any of it. None of what you said is in the religion in general. If the catholic church is concealing the "reality" that is significantly different from the religion at large and has been lying to everyone for thousands of years then what is the point of following that religion at large?

>>532884139
Your analogy is wrong. There is no gun to your head. Here's a better one:
>you ignore the advice of a person who's house you're in. They said dont lean on that railing its not safe. You did it willingly though and broke through the railing falling into a pit. You cant see anything but groping along the walls you feel that youre in some kind of labyrinth. Way down in that pit you hear the person who owns the house shouting down to you, "hey despite you not listening to me about the railing I'll lead you out, you just have to follow the way I tell you to turn."
You can choose to listen to that voice and follow the path they tell you to be on. That's the path out of the pit. Or you can ignore the voice and stay in the darkness.

Your choice.

>>532882435
>>532882629
based chuddabros

>>532884563
Who is concealing reality? Who is telling you conflicting beliefs? Why are you listening to any of them? How deep have you looked into any of this?

Why not just turn to God and see where He sends you? Its just that simple. You don't need to overthink it. I'm not telling anyone what to believe. I'm just saying seek God or don't. Those are the choices.
>How do I seek God?
Pray with an open heart.
>How do I pray?
Many ways but some find it easiest to just start the day with a conversation. I thank God for the blessings I have. I ask Him to reveal Himself and His will for me today. Keep doing that and you will get answers. Then you'll start turning to Him for more and the relationship will grow and you'll get more understanding. Its like tuning into a radio station it becomes clearer the more you turn towards Him. He will put you exactly where you need to be if you surrender to His will and stop trying to fix your life by yourself. We all need saving. We are all blind in the pit. Just turn towards Him and let Him do the work of saving you.

Reminder that niggers are down for god meme hard
Whites have mostly lukewarm belief and go into atheism easily.
Chinks mostly don't believe.
Belief in god is just a measure of autism-neuroticity spectrum.

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>if hell is real it means heaven is also real, and all my passed loved ones are in heaven
I still win.
Suffering here, suffering there, it's all the same to me.

>>532884667
The analogy you provided is so out there that you might've skipped it altogether.

>>532885262
>Belief in god is just a measure of autism-neuroticity spectrum.
Interesting idea. Any way to test it's validity?

>>532880157
Then we're already in hell

>>532883190
>Your ignorance is showing.
Ignorance is defined as not knowing something that can be known.
Religions are based on beliefs. Gods are supernatural beings that can only be believed in or not believed in. Everything you believe about your gods came from somebody else's fact-free campfire tales.

There is no overlap between the {realm of what is known} with the {realm of what is believed}. You can only pretend to "know" things about your gods, just like we can only pretend to know things about demons, which is, sorcerers, angels, leprechauns, abominable snowman, devils, elves, ghost, fairies, mummies, mermaids, vampires, werewolves, goblins, Ishtar bunnies, ghouls, zombies and other such supernatural (i.e.fictional) characters.

So let me ask you this. Let's suppose you go to you 'heaven'. And suppose your brother and your mother end up in hell. How would that make you feel? Heavenly? Blissful?
>They will vomit without pause. They will endure pain with no consciousness. They will burn without nerves so the pain cannot end.
Unless you're a complete sociopath You probably wouldn't enjoy your heavenly stay knowing your family is being tormented for all eternity. This is how you can tell that hell is a poorly designed fabrication to control and manipulate the behavior of the mentally feeble. Congratulations, well played.

>>532885244
Nothing about dreamscapes or being able to visit hell from heaven is part of any mainline Christian belief. And I'm not going to reach out to God any more than I am any Hindu or Shinto deity. It's God's problem that current Christian traditions don't accurately represent the truth and God can at any time reach out to and show himself to humanity. The fact that he doesn't clearly means he doesn't care if people go to hell, much like a guy that never goes outside or talks to anyone clearly doesn't desire a social life all that much.

>>532884130
Got a link to that thread?

>>532885625
>muh family
You might learn something in the afterlife that strips you of these sentiments, you never know. Maybe you even get stripped of your sense of self, hard to tell.

You fall into the very trap you warn against and try to apply logic to the realm of belief.

>>532880259
Better read Psalms 82. The Divine council of gods meeting to decide humans fate with the deluge.
Or Genesis 3:22 'Behold, the man is become as one of us.' In case you didn't catch that, "us" is plural. That means more than one.

>>532885963
The story of hell is yours to tell, You say it makes sense to you, but for me it's just unbelievable in the literal sense.

>>532885694
I wish I had it. You might find it in the archives they were calling him vaticananon.

>>532885630
>Nothing about dreamscapes or being able to visit hell from heaven is part of any mainline Christian belief.
That was likely a larp as I said.
>And I'm not going to reach out to God any more than I am any Hindu or Shinto deity.
Sadly that's your choice.
>It's God's problem that current Christian traditions don't accurately represent the truth and God can at any time reach out to and show himself to humanity.
No that's humanity's problem. He does reveal Himself if you seek Him. This is the only way to have free will.
>The fact that he doesn't clearly means he doesn't care if people go to hell, much like a guy that never goes outside or talks to anyone clearly doesn't desire a social life all that much.
No the fact that He doesn't force you to love Him means He loves you enough to make your own choice. If he had a physical castle in the clouds and was constantly shouting down to us to obey and worship and love for one there would be no question he exists so faith isnt necessary. And two, those aren't the actions of God who loves His children those would be the actions of a tyrant. So we are all given the option. Turn to Him or dont. Loves you enough to let you choose.

>>532886269
Oh, no, I don't believe in it either, just saying that trying to use appeals to reason when you specifically warned against applying reason to faith is pointless.

You don't have to die to go to Hell.

>>532885546
popularity of beliefs and their types in various countries. Reactions to typical god-believer e.g. in Japan you will be treated like a weirdo if you say the belief in god is important to you - I heard this from a Catholic Japanese too.

>People with autism may struggle to develop existential theory of mind, making it harder to interpret life events as deliberate messages from a divine source or within a broader existential framework. Instead, they may favor mechanistic explanations and avoid seeking hidden meaning. Bering (68) also hypothesizes that individuals with autism may conceptualize God more as an organizing principle or force than as a personal, intentional being capable of relationship.

>HFA individuals were less likely to affiliate with traditional religions and more likely to identify as atheists, agnostics, or to create personal belief systems, showing a stronger focus on rationality.

>Parents completed two questionnaires. Controlled variables included age, gender, ethnicity, and parental education and religiosity. Results showed that autistic individuals were less likely to believe in God, and mentalization predicted belief in God. IQ was not a predictor.

>Reddish et al. (11) conducted a study on young individuals with HFA to assess whether they held different religious beliefs than neurotypical peers. Theoretical assumptions focused on mentalization deficits affecting religiosity. Seven hypotheses were tested, predicting lower belief strength in God, less anthropomorphic views of deities, lower perceived prayer effectiveness, and less preference for spontaneous prayer in autistic individuals.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12259667/
It's a review, so it cites many works

>>532880259
There are many. Jesus is not one of them. He's just an ordinary doomsday cult guru. The Romans routinely executed pederasts on the cross.

I just don't get why you'd actively pursue having the belief that you don't matter. You'd teach your kids that?

>>532886622
>This is the only way to have free will.
No such thing when you believe in a being who's will supercedes yours.
>He does reveal Himself if you seek Him.
How does him coming to me violate "free will"?

>>532880419
The Norse gods as you know them are capeshit cartoon caricatures. They're about as real as Mickey Mouse.

>>532880068
Fpbp

>>532886622
>No the fact that He doesn't force you to love Him means He loves you enough to make your own choice
He doesn't force you? Please, that's what the ultimatum he gives is. Bend the knee or perish

>>532880259
How many people in the history of mankind have said exactly this you think?

>>532880068
The only one that has ever manifested Himself on Earth.

>>532880437
So its just a numbers game? What if everyone becomes buddhist does that mean that god is no longer the one true god?

>>532887442
Many people have made that claim about many different gods.

>>532879990
I am not afraid. I don't worship any god but I live a decent life and be as good a person as possible. If this lands me in whatever hell there might be than that's how it is and whoever can fuck off.

>>532879990
suffer for all eternity like >>532882629

>>532887510
>SAAAAAAR MY GOD MANIFEST ITSELF IN COW AND I EAT THE POO POO
Okay man if that's who you want to believe then go for it.

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>>532879990
Oh no sandnigger babble!!!!! Better snip my Penis.

>>532879990
If I'm wrong it really isn't my fault because I did everything I reasonably could to try to believe in God.

>>532880419
There is no first hand source about the nose gods. The edda you know is incomplete and written by Christians in the 13th century

>>532887442
Quetzalcoatl?

>>532887612
>don't take me seriously
OK, I won't

>>532879990
I'm a lot more worried about what will happen if Sauron takes over. Not to mention what will happen if the big bad wolf finally manages to dismantle the third little piggy's house. I don't even know how I'd cope.

>>532885625
>Ignorance is defined as not knowing something that can be known.
No that is not the definition. The ignorance I speak of comes from lack of experience or awareness.
>Religions are based on beliefs. Gods are supernatural beings that can only be believed in or not believed in. Everything you believe about your gods came from somebody else's fact-free campfire tales.
No, religions are based on experiences. I would argue the old gods are simply humanity interacting with the fallen masquerading as god with a big G. They demanded human sacrifices and gave temporary power and status here through blood magic. Those experiences are shared with others who have their own experiences until they organized. However the apostles experienced God who sacrificed Himself. The only religion that says love everyone. The only one that preaches mercy. They experienced something great enough they would die for it. I learned about them and turned towards God and had my own experience leading to my belief that I am now willing to die for.
>So let me ask you this. Let's suppose you go to you 'heaven'. And suppose your brother and your mother end up in hell. How would that make you feel? Heavenly? Blissful?
If I am in Heaven then I will be blissful. God's justice is perfect. If a family member chooses to stay in Hell that was their choice. However relations aren't known in Heaven. You are simply where you belong with your family in Heaven.
>Unless you're a complete sociopath You probably wouldn't enjoy your heavenly stay knowing your family is being tormented for all eternity. This is how you can tell that hell is a poorly designed fabrication to control and manipulate the behavior of the mentally feeble.
You attempt to put human understanding to God's domain and capacity for Heaven. You limit His ability to fashion bliss while executing perfect justice.

>>532887708
>There is no first hand source about the nose gods
Or any really

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>>532879990
Take you punishment like a man!!

The bible says heaven is literally in the sky

Since that is false you can disregard everything else coming from this deranged jewish mind trap

>>532887808
>You attempt to put human understanding to God's domain and capacity for Heaven
That's all "God" and "Heaven" are. Mans understanding and interpretation because God is man made

>>532879990
Whatever God has in store for you, it was your free will that led to it. At the very least, don't be a sore loser.

>>532887232
Yeah, teaching kids they are all special snowflakes and deserve everything best turned out great

>>532879990
All gods and religions rely on prior knowledge of them they dont exist if we dont continue spreading them.

We are creators that gave birth to gods. We can edit god,devil,heaven,and hell as we please.

>>532886622
Nigger, the demon Abrahamic God is a jealous and vengeful one.

He literally created all of reality and yourself yet will punish you with eternal hellfire if you do not worship him but not only worship you have to pick the right book out of the dozens of representations that have to all be completely right. One letter wrong and it's all null. The Jews hate the Christians, The Muzzies hate the Jews. The Christians dick suck the Jews. It's all retarded. Not only that but these retarded schizo stories all have links to retarded old pagan practices demon gods, genital mutilation, schizo larps, retarded pedo's, slave handling including sex slaves, desert practices, family murdering, retarded shit skins who live like parasites in the west but somehow feel superior, don't give them a simple math question though. Lmao, watch these sniggers sweat. Retarded animal butchering, kid marriage, sacrifice of animals, cube worshopping and other pagan practices, sin transferring, Whores who dupe 1B people into thinking she was a virgin, some random whore in Baltimore would be laughed at claiming this. I could go on and on for hours. But this shit is retarded and if you believe in this without social pressure you're truly and utterly slave brained.

>>532888061
Can you not believe in Australia

>>532887867
Now that's falsified, you're not supposed to take that part literally, bro

>>532886236
Elohim = gods
Genesis literally starts with "In the beginning the gods created the heavens and the Earth." It was written when the Hebrews were still polytheistic.

>>532879990
Its real but not in the way christians portray, its not permanent, its a transitory state.
Its called Kama Loka, as described by the Tibetan book of the dead, Egyptian book of the dead, judaism, catholic purgatory, greek myth of Ur etc.
Its just the intermediate state between lives,
Its in the astral or realm of imagination, the soul gets purged of its karmic charges, and while this process plays out, your soul lives out its fantasies, fears, obsessions, which can be heavenly or hellish.
After 52 days the astral body is dissolved and the soul enters a new incarnation

>>532887286
>How does him coming to me violate "free will"?
A physical manifestation would. Hes coming to you now through my message today. You keep turning away though as is your choice.
>>532887327
>He doesn't force you? Please, that's what the ultimatum he gives is. Bend the knee or perish
How so? Who is saying bend the knee? Once you develop a relationship you will do it willingly. There is no command here. Just a choice to turn towards or away. He will only command you to bend the knee upon His return to judge all. And all will kneel.

The fact that you so vehemently deny the choice you are making will prove to another that God's justice is perfect. You can claim you were forced into Hell for all eternity if you so choose, but we see that you had a choice the entire time.

>>532887944
Everything is up to man's interpretation because we use our faculties to try and interpret what we experience.
Not that the other anons observations are particularly bright either but this is really low grade stuff.

>>532879990
If god is good and merciful then he will see you lived a good life without lie and praise you for it.
If it is heeb angry god of torture like Jesus then there is nothing you can do as nothing satisfies this evil spirit ever and even his followers are fucked.
So keep calm carry on.

>>532888394
>>How does him coming to me violate "free will"?
You can't choose beliefs with free will. You can't believe the sky is green because you know it's blue. You can't believe in God because you know there isn't sufficient justification for doing so.

>>532888188
If you choose to believe others instead of find out for yourself. So be it. You've combined a bunch of falsehoods into some amalgamation of all religion painting with a broad brush. Have you ever actually just tried seeking God yourself?

>God is a jealous and vengeful one.
He is but He is also merciful. We are in a time of mercy now but chastisment is coming.

>His faith is conditional upon fear and avoiding eternal pain and torment
hmm

>>532888394
>physical manifestation would
He already did that with Jesus. Lol

>Hes coming to you now through my message today.
Why should I believe you?

>>He doesn't force you? Please, that's what the ultimatum he gives is. Bend the knee or perish
>How so?
What happens after I die if I haven't accepted Christ?

>>532888426
>Everything is up to man's interpretation because we use our faculties to try and interpret what we experience.
Exactly

>>532888782
Exactly this

>>532879990
Atheism is religion same as Christianity
same as Satanism an Judaism !

You all are fucked !

I am Agnostic I laughing at you all !!!

Just Coup Retards!

>>532888742
I agree you can't choose belief. The choice is turning to God or not turning to Him. Belief can be acquired through that process and faith strengthened.
>>532887689
Have you tried surrendering to His will? Stop praying for your needs and answers. Try praying to do His will and see if you dont end up with both.

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>>532880068
FPBP, Piasca's wager is too simple and retarded if we were to be honest it is a game of roulette with every religion involved not a two-sided coin flip the odds aren't in your favor either way so who the fuck cares.

>>532889017
>Belief can be acquired through that process and faith strengthened
Brainwashing yourself until you start to believe just to avoid potential torture sounds utterly vile my man, you might want to pick another angle here.

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>>532888980
>I am Agnostic
I'm agnostic atheist

>>532879990
Suffah

>>532889017
>The choice is turning to God or not turning to Him
You don't have freewill to do that if you can't even believe in God in the first place is the point.
>Try praying to do His will and see if you dont end up with both.
Doesn't work it's nothing but crickets.

>>532880393
>To be saved you must admit that you are broken and need to be saved.
And be baptized, reconciliation, Eucharist. You p*otestants are sacramentally lazy. You don't get to utter some magic words and go to Heaven, it requires work to walk in God's Light, but that's why p*otestantism appeals to so many, because you don't really have to put in any work or effort.

>>532888795
>He already did that with Jesus. Lol
Are you being obtuse on purpose? A permanent physical manifestation of God in the physical reality would remove any option of free will. You'd just have to obey Him always. Jesus arrived to show the way. "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"
>Why should I believe you?
Im not asking you to. Im just serving God. If a person tells you they saw gold in the woods you might not believe them. But perhaps you might be willing to go in the woods and see for yourself.
>What happens after I die if I haven't accepted Christ?
You remain cutoff from Christ as you chose to be here.

>>532880068
Zoroaster

Y'know, a cool dude would hang out and chat with you after you die, one on one, for as long as you wish to talk, and he'd reveal all the world's mysteries to you if you ask it, and reveal the profound truth behind all that confounds reality. Then at the end of it he'd ask what you wanna do going forwards and then give you his number in case you wanted to chat.

I'd ask him why jews exist. Like was it really necessary? Surely you could have made whatever point it was you needed to with the irish or something. Any way, I might just ask to get isekaid into a generic jap fantasy world.

Of course, that's what you get when there's love + omniscience + omnipotence + omnipresence. And it doesn't particularly impart a moral imperative, so that's not the form that religious structure takes.

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>>532880221
>Tfw you don't even have honor

(Btw these pieces of shit are trying to copywriter 4chan memes)

>>532889345
His point is that you should keep doing that until your mind becomes buckbroken and creates a cope which makes a mockery of true belief.
>>532889229
Agnostic theist here - the only position that respects both reason and human spirit and dignity.

>>532889345
You give up too easy then. The answers come in God's time not yours. Keep trying and show Him youre earnest and they will come. Or not. The choice is yours.

>>532889017
>Stop praying for your needs and answers
>I prayed for a big tittied goth girlfriend like a degenerate and it didn't work. Welp, r/LARPatheism looks like a good place to reinforce why heckin God is so fake because He won't answer my prayers for sinful desires, totes not real
And don't give these people the benefit of the doubt because shit like that is actually what drives a ton people to having little or no faith.

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If you compare the religions they have common denominators to choose from

Namely: good vs evil

It's not a coincidence that good is one letter off from God but strictly speaking, a higher power is the logical conclusion based on any immediate observation (i.e.e common sense)

>>532889453
I met some practicing Zoroastrians in northern Iraq, they were Iranian Kurds. You can just sense the demons in them. But, they were allied with the Kurds I was working with some of whom were Syriac Catholic. Interesting place, anthropologoically, Iraq is

>>532886622
Did all the stuff happening in the old and new testaments impinge on the free will of those involved? This stupid argument that God showing himself is an issue conflicts directly with him showing up to people frequently throughout the bible.

>>532889598
>desire for a woman
>sinful
I agree my homosexual nigga, truly sickening.

>>532879990
Start reading the Bible. Leave out the old testament. Start with Matthew.
Jesus was sent by God and you have the opportunity to read his words yourself, something few of your ancestors could.
https://www.kjv.me/

>532889229
> Dawkins fallacy box
Educated people know that ((( agnostic ))), as it has been chronically misapplied to religion, is a rationalization fallacy.

>>532889399
>Truly, I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.

>>532889837
All gods and religions rely on prior knowledge of them they dont exist if we dont continue spreading them.

We are creators that gave birth to gods. We can edit god,devil,heaven,and hell as we please.

>>532879990
There is literally no reason not to believe in Jesus Christ. Every single "gotcha" has been debunked, there is historical evidence, there are proven first hand accounts, and not to mention Jews, Muslims, Atheists, and many other religions despise Christians for no reason other than what Jewish media tells them. Honestly the latter is enough reason to believe.

Suffering unimaginable torment for eternity is scary, yes, but imagine eternal glory with God. No death, injury, pain, sadness, etc. That convinced me more than being afraid of Hell. Look for the positives.

Christ loves you guys.

>>532889714
Also a ton of Chaldeans who has their own military protection groups like the Nineveh Plains Protection Unit And Dwekh Nawsha, whom the latter I also worked with and got a sweet patch from. Pretty based Christians in northern Iraq, Western
Eastern Iran, Southern Syria, and Lebanon.

>>532889450
>>He already did that with Jesus. Lol
>Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Are you being retarded on purpose?

>A permanent physical manifestation of God in the physical reality would remove any option of free will
That was Jesus
>Why should I believe you?
>Im not asking you to.
OK, have a nice day

>What happens after I die if I haven't accepted Christ?
>You remain cutoff from Christ as you chose to be here.
Oh? Then I'm free to go wherever and do whatever I want then?

>>532889555
>Agnostic theist here - the only position that respects both reason and human spirit and dignity.
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

If god is so great then we must accept that at the very end of all time, every soul in hell would have eventually repented and every soul in hell would have eventually been forgiven and permitted into heaven, so if the end result is the same, it doesn't matter what you do in the grand scheme of things, and your existence never really had any meaning or purpose. So it's logically consistent that given these things are true, there would be no reason for god to reveal himself or to even create us, since the end result of everything is nihility or convergence, all states of being reverting to one.

Far as I am aware, Abrahamic faith is not a cyclical doctrine. This makes it fundamentally broken.

>>532889889
There really isn't much value in arguing with Catholics. They go by man-made rules by pope and early church fathers instead of Scripture.

>>532889834
I'm married with 3 White kids. Stop it. In prayed to find a wife, but I've read and heard about people being mad because they prayed for and ended up with the wrong person but turns out they were looking for their ideal fuck toy. Two totally different things, now go clean some toilets and think about that you just did, Jan

>>532888394
>Once you develop a relationship you will do it willingly.
Just like once a girl stops struggling and starts trying to feel good it'll begin to be willing. Definitely consensual and not forced.

>>532879990
If hell is real, it's full of Christians.

>>532890009
So because Christianity doesn't fit *your* subjective belief about religion, it's incorrect? My brother, that is the whole reason Christianity exists. Objective truth. Not yours, mine, or Dave in accounting, but what Christ tells us. Why try to figure it out for yourself when He's already done it for ya?

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>>532879990
let you god given conscience be your guide. bad ppl dont even ponder such questions, jews have no afterlife at all, the fact that you reflect on yourself already proves that you are willing to be a decent person.

>>532890114
>that is the whole reason Christianity exists. Objective truth.
Sorry but truth is unfaithful.

>>532889916
>all gods rely on prior knowledge
Demonstrably untrue as evident by archetypal dieties spawning in the minds of people all over the world independently.
Horned god? Wise old man? Mother of god? God of underworld in the depths of earth? Father in the sky? Etc etc.

>>532890114
What is the meaning in being a subject of creation if its meaning is predefined to you? Why exist at all? Subjective reality is the only reason you exist, elsewise you'd be an object. If Christ defines reality why does any one other than christ exist?

>>532890114
>So because Christianity doesn't fit *your* subjective belief about religion, it's incorrect?
We live in a time where people base everything on personal feelings with no actual hard backing for their rationales other than, "I feel like.....", no one cares what the fuck you feel like, stood stupid. You're fucking wrong.
>uuuuuuuuhhhh excuse me chud, that's MY TRUTH
What the fuck is that? "My truth", good grief.... Christ can't come back soon enough

>>532890114
>Why try to figure it out for yourself when He's already done it for ya?

Literal cult mentality

>>532889837
Just ignore all the things God did before Jesus bro. The everlasting, unchanging God just changed his mind and character. You don't have to deal with that.

>>532879990
i've learned not to throw my pearls before swine. I'll always be happy to talk about Christ's glory with anyone who is interested, but at this point, you get what you fuckin' deserve. Don't believe in God? sure thing, pal. Have fun in hell. idc. it's hard enough trying to prevent myself from going there. i can't worry about your bitch ass.

>>532887808
>lack of experience
We have a different word for that, "inexperienced"
Awareness is based on perception which is another kind of irrational feeling of emotion. I get that you're desperately trying to rationalize your beliefs and flailing about madly, but it never ends well, not in the past 3000 years or so.

>You attempt to put human understanding to that is God's domain.
So there's no evidence for it, you don't understand it but you fell for it and now you're compelled to endlessly rationalize it.

Yesterday's gods were replaced by today's gods. Today's gods will be replaced by tomorrow's gods. That is the inevitability that terrifies you.

>>532890252
>Why exist at all?
Because He decided to create us and you have to deal with it. You'd have fit in well with the fallen angels, your logic sounds exactly like theirs and that's how we got demons and cunts pulling shit like Eve. In a way you can understand better, people like you are why there trannies, kike worship, unbridled abortions, human suffering in general

>>532890237
Thats just personifications and creativity

>>532890367
every cult retard talks like you and has been indoctrinated the same way lol

at least they weren't dumb enough to follow jews though lmao

>>532890114
Sorry anon, India's poo religion is the real one. Just because it doesn't fit *your* subjective belief about religion doesn't mean it's incorrect.

>>532879990
depends, if you are a pretty lady we'll send a hero to kidnap you from hades, post tits to learn your fate.

>>532890408
you are the kike worship

lgbt only sprouted up in your so called christian empire

>>532890114
we live in a time where the consequences of outsourcing your thinking are all around us.

>>532889584
>The choice is yours.
No it isn't because I don't believe God exists. I've tried prayer very earnestly it's been 15 years since I've prayed for some kind of confirmation of God's existence and still nothing.

>>532890252
What does being predetermined or not matter in regards to validity of the experience? I don't exactly follow your objection here.

>>532889229
Atheist BELIEVE there is no god !
Theist BELIEVE there is GOD!

So you are or religious Atheist

Or agnostic !

Nothing between!

Best definition of Agnosticism is
THAT YOU HAVE TO PROOVE ME WITH HARD EVIDENGE THAT WHAT YOU SAYING IS TRUE!!!

AND NON OF RELIGIOUS
PEOPLE IS ABLE DO SUCH THINGS!

FOR EXAMPLE THAT IS WHY I AM NOT WAXED BECAUSE NON OF SCAMERS WERE ABLE PROVE ME THAT WHAT THEY CLAIM IS TRUE!!
BELIEVE is definition of Religion!

There is no BELIEVE in Agnostic!
Agnostics are not Religious They KNOW!!!

>>532887612
hinduism is literally just pre abrahamic judaism, both of them and christianity are all the same tree.

>>532879990
>have just enough intelligence to realize God is a cartoonishly evil psycho
>not enough to realize psychos are in fact not trustworthy
Believers are fascinating. Chances are they don't even believe what they say at all, deep down.

>>532888980
Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hair color. There's only one singular characteristic of atheism, and that's the disbelief or lack of belief in any deities. Agnosticism is a rationalization fabricated by the church to explain why the un-indoctrinated haven't become believers yet. Of course they got it wrong and room temperature IQ believers keep repeating it because they can't think on their own.

>>532889953
>That was Jesus
He ascended into Heaven and isn't physically here currently. You must have missed the word permanent.
>OK, have a nice day
You too.
>Oh? Then I'm free to go wherever and do whatever I want then?
Yep. You have free will. Just understand that free will doesn't mean you get to impose your own will. Inb4:
>I choose to go to Heaven with my free will
You'd have to choose to turn to God for your will and His will to entwined. His will be done. Not yours.
>>532890067
>Just like once a girl stops struggling and starts trying to feel good it'll begin to be willing. Definitely consensual and not forced.
Its incredible how your mind twists this into a rape. You may be under demonic oppression anon truly I pray for your soul.
>You seek God and start doing His will and He rewards you with glimpses of Heaven. He sees to your needs here while doing His will. You begin to thank Him with worship willingly.
To twist that in your head into something dark is unfortunate anon. I'll pray for you.

May God bless everyone in this thread. I'm off. Good luck and turn to Him.

>>532890408
You have no ontological basis for your understanding you just don't think. If reality wasn't subjective then there's no reason for it to exist. There would be no reason for free will to exist, because the nature of reality would be a predefined divinely unknowable truth, not being divine you'd have no option but to sin and err, meaning you have no free will, which violates the very basis of your entire theology. Ergo Christ cannot define reality, because reality is not definite, it is subjective, because that's the only way to bridge an accord in logos between subject and their free will.

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>>532890798
>Atheist BELIEVE there is no god !
Atheism is a disbelief or lack if belief in God or gods

I lack belief until evidence convinces me otherwise

>>532890767
I explain that in this post >>532890921. pre-determinism is antithetical to free will.

>>532890566
>lgbt only sprouted up in your so called christian empire
Nigga please, the Greeks and Romans and others were buttfucking each other long before Christ showed up.... Sodom and Gamorah (sp?) ring a bell?
> ay yo *smacks lips* brings us dem angels so day we may know them.... With our dicks in their mouths

>>532881655
>the god of all monotheisms
as described by which sect of which religion?

>>532890892
>He ascended into Heaven and isn't physically here currently
He lived a physical life and died a physical death

>>532890892
>>Oh? Then I'm free to go wherever and do whatever I want then?
>Yep. You have free will
Cool, I'll go make my own paradise then.

>>532890475
Odd how the same archetypes always surface, isn't it? If gods require prior knowledge and spawn spontaneously in people's minds then you'd expect them to be much more random and diverse wouldn't you?

>>532891033
>Sodom and Gamorah
Sir those are Jewish cities.

>>532879990
>>532879990
god is real, dumbass. theres something out there.
one thing for sure though, the real god doesnt caommand foreskins and slavery to juden

>>532890658
Why do you think you deserve that? God isn't here for your entertainment. How often does three CEO write you back when you file a complaint

>>532879990
Hell is definitely real. Jews and pajeets go there.

>>532890921
>You have no ontological basis for your understanding
Intelligent Design is all around you
>you just don't think
Projection: The Post

>>532883873
And yet my brother is the total opposite of me lol, why couldn't I have been born tall and good looking? If he gave a fuck he'd make us blank slates and give us actual freedom to change our physical appearance somehow without having to get manmade surgeries to look fucking normal
>>532889229
I wonder if actual diehard gnostic atheists exist at all

>>532891100
A CEO isn't omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresence, and omnibenevolent. You're constraining infinite divinity in your arrogance.

>>532890798
>Theists BELIEVE there is GOD!
>Anti-theists BELIEVE there is no god !
Atheists DON'T BELIEVE in any gods.
Fixed it for you.

>>532891078
Right, because Judaism existed back then and was a precursor to Christianity. Judaism no longer exists, these are just LARPers who killed Christ. There's no covenant with them, they are no longer the Chosen people, Christians are. You have no idea what you're talking about

>>532891223
>I wonder if actual diehard gnostic atheists exist at all
I've ran into a few. People refer to them as "militant" atheists

>>532890999
Fine, but whether we were made free or chained to fate doesn't matter one way or another to the fact of existence. It's just an assumption you make.
World might be predetermined and have a single beginning and an ending and it may still exist. Same for a cyclical world with free will. You just make a strange argument that's all.

>>532891225
>You're constraining infinite divinity
Oh hush, you're the one over here trying r*dditsplain to us why you're a LARPatheist

>>532891282
>You have no idea what you're talking about
I know that those are jewish cities.

>>532891223
Meant for >>532884062

>>532890955
If you had evidence, facts, then you would accept it and no longer need to 'believe' in it
That's precisely why agnostic can have nothing to do with religion

>>532891223
>>532891315
We do, because the concept of God as defined by mainstream religions is incoherent.

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>>532880419
There was no "middle east" at the time of creation. Use your brain.

its amazing to me that in these kind of threads its always americans who are the only religious schiz o nutcase cultists
like i feel zero spirituality coming from your posts, everything you approach you approach it with violent materialistic business-like mindset
you are not even aware of it of course since your whole existence is a masonic experiment
compared to the countries/people who became spiritual and had religions for thousands of years

>>532891336
>whether we were made free or chained to fate doesn't matter one way or another to the fact of existence
It's actually the foundational basis for Christian Theology, actually. If you deny it, then it truly doesn't matter one way or another to existence, because then existence isn't derived from God.

>>532891315
>People refer to them as "militant" atheists
Point a gun to them and we'll see if that holds true, which I doubt

>>532891348
How does that invalidate any of that I said? You have a glaring lack of foundational knowledge of the Church or it's Magisterium

>>532891100
>Why do you think you deserve that?
It's not about what I think I deserve it's about what I expect. I am assuming God wants me to follow his will and does love and if he loves me he should want to save my soul. He is also omnipotent and omniscient so he has the capability to let me know he is there. Why wouldn't he?

>>532879990
Hell is somewhere christians actively choose to be in throughout their lives. It's not about afterlife.

>>532880259
The monad, right?

>>532890892
>Its incredible how your mind twists this into a rape. You may be under demonic oppression anon truly I pray for your soul.
Demons don't exist and neither does your God. Luckily too as I know he's apt to fill you with the "holy spirit" if you just surrender yourself to him.

>>532891451
>Christian Theology
What is that and why is it capitalized? That sounds like apostate protestant nonsense

>>532891378
>If you had evidence, facts, then you would accept it and no longer need to 'believe' in it
Exactly, *If*
>That's precisely why agnostic can have nothing to do with religion
Never said it did.

>>532891453
Maybe, maybe not

>>532891461
You're barking at shadows, you claimed that the greeks and romans were precursor LGBT and then made your point by using jewish cities as an example.

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>>532891282
Based .
Christ is Jehovah the God of the OT thus existed before Judaism

>>532891100
People ineptly trying to explain or describe their gods is extremely entertaining. You'd be surprised how people's tales of their gods make me laugh out loud.

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>>532882629
Truer words have never been spoken.

>>532891451
If you deny free will then the only thing you do is claim that christian theology is wrong. It doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the existence has a Creator, there is no casual link between these two things.

>>532891521
the capitals don't mean anything, but the entire theology unravels when you do not permit free will. For instance, your creation itself has no meaning if your will is not free. Neither does Jesus' sacrifice.

>>532891521
>theology
>what is that he asks in a thread about religion
I'm tired bros...

>>532891065
Its simply morale boosts or something used to pass all blame on. People need something to believe or blame in every age.

>>532891627
Yeah sure, maybe it has a creator. It just cannot be the Christian God, because purports creation with free will.

You're free to argue for whatever creation myth you like, just not the Christian one if you're going to deny free will. That would be like upholding Genesis and then saying "Yeah but so what if light isn't real?"

>>532891223
>I wonder if actual diehard gnostic atheists exist at all
I think people can easily be gnostic atheists about specific gods like the Abrahamic god if they're persuaded that the concept of a certain god is in contradiction with observable reality or even with itself. But "God" in the abstract is a fuzzy enough concept that, taken in the broadest sense, it can be made so vague that it's either totally nonfalsifiable or refers to something most everyone would agree exists, like reality itself.

>>532891468
If you would put down your vidya long enough and study things like Great Schism and theologically why Martin Luther should have been executed for heresy along with King James, them you'll start to understand the other little things as to why God reveals Himself in the ways He does. You have to understand His Church on Earth to understand His Kingdom (as best you can perceive) in Heaven as this is an earthly extension with an invisible spiritual war, with literal demons and angels, occurring around you and affecting your life as we speak

>>532890498
My Lord was the biggest anti-semite to ever walk God's green earth, idk what you're on about.

>>532891708
My point in highlighting that was no calls is that but protestants, Christ didn't leave us 3700 denominations. He probably isn't happy with the tomfoolery of 1054

>>532891708
And this is like the third time I've had to put you in your place

>>532879990
Most criminals once thought they would never go to jail.

>>532891816
chapter and verse where he calls a fellow jew a dog like he did the non-jewish woman begging for her child's life?

>>532891816
>Didn't kill a single jew

>>532891768
What demonination of Christian
Ity are you? Catholic?

>>532880393
I choose the path of non existence.

>>532891175
Intelligent design is a weak rationalization that can't withstand the slightest scrutiny. You've got this causality rule that decides there must be a watchmaker. You're forced to carve out a massive exception for the endless chains of watchmakers so you don't have to explain them, and then to make sure these gods are securely in the gaps, your fiction places them somewhere outside the universe beyond space and time.

Is that about right?

>>532879990
If we're all burning in hell then we're all together. You want to be with those nerds up in heaven?

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>>532880437
>The God of the Holy Bible and the Quran are said to be the same God.
lol
come on retard. the key argument in Christianity is that Jesus was God/an embodiment of God. Why try to present that as something it's not? pisslam is closer to jewdaism and this is undeniable both historically and theologically. Pisslam was literally modeled on the kike religion but dumbed down for sand niggers. So please don't try to conflate the religion of universal love with some judaic offshot tard religion. I am not religious btw, but Christianity is the only religion worth respecting.

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>>532891927
he literally whipped jews in the face and back for being kikes in his Father's house.

>>532880259
>>532881655
smartest christnigger

>>532892073
it's all the same desert shit and they all worship yahweh the three horned wind spirit who loves to eat foreskins

>>532890009
>>532890252
Yeah, I'm not arguing for any specific creation myth, I'm just addressing your assumptions about how existence is pointless and meaningless unless it meets XYZ criteria so it cannot persist unless these criteria are met. Specifically your original argument about how an existence that leads to it's end is paradoxical (it is not and may be as valid as existence unending).

>>532879990
Lol. Just tank it, forehead.

>>532891409
Your beliefs are clashing with the facts. There was certainly a thriving civilization in the Levant when the primitive Mesopotamian gods were first crafted thousands of years ago.

>>532892065
Heaven is simply a place without (((jews)))

>>532880068
/Thread

>>532890955
Disbelief is vague word !
You use it when you avoiding direct talk!

If you define something you using clear speech!

Clear definition of Atheism is:

Atheism is believe that God do not exist!

BELIEF!!!

Everywhere where you hear word BELIEVE
They just do not know!
They trying to turn into religion!
Covid science
Dark matter science
Global warming science
etc
etc

>>532880068
fpbp

>>532880437
Islam has very very specific guidelines to get to heaven. You can believe in the Christian God and believe that it's the same "entity" the Muslims worship but it will not matter. Into eternal fire with you.

>>532892029
Theologically speaking, it can withstand any scrutiny by claiming that God created evolution. This of course runs counter to Biblical literalism, but Abrhamics are about out of arguments there and need to concede the point. In totally practical terms though, you can't disprove intelligent design. What if it was like Prometheus and aliens seeded life on Earth? Given that science hasn't the faintest idea of how life began your argument is really not that strong and "can't withstand the slightest scrutiny" is very far from the reality. There's no empirically provable explanation at all for how life began. So the magic spaghetti monster having done it is as reasonable as the "it was just random in the primordial soup" idea.

>>532891764
>I think people can easily be gnostic atheists about specific gods like the Abrahamic god if they're persuaded that the concept of a certain god is in contradiction with observable reality or even with itself.
Yeah, exactly like my thoughts
>But "God" in the abstract is a fuzzy enough concept that, taken in the broadest sense, it can be made so vague that it's either totally nonfalsifiable or refers to something most everyone would agree exists, like reality itself.
And this is why I say that, gods and God in most religions are very anthropomorphic beings, it's why I try to separate the term "Creator" from them entirely, but that's just me

>>532881655
So a philosopher's god. Faceless, speechless and passive. Pure construct of the mind, with little reality in it.

>>532892194
I don't think so. It seems to me that Christians worship Jesus's sacrifice on their behalf. That's very different from anything else in the other Abrahamic faiths.

>>532892214
That's fine, I do believe that existence itself has meaning. You just cannot claim ALL the notions of Christianity. You cannot deny subjective reality without denying free will and you cannot deny free will without denying existence itself and you cannot accept the infinity of god without also denying existence as if you grand infinity then the end point of all existence is perfectly uniform, denying meaning in existence.

If a more atheistic narrative, if the universe is cyclical, it gets around the meaninglessness of existence by not having intelligent design.

>>532891865
Meh go to the sandbox and have your discussions. You will find your intellectual equals there, willing to entertain your disrespectful comments.

>>532891265
Then you are Gnostic not Atheist!

You did not fix anything

you just do not know what you are !

>>532892558
>You cannot deny free will without denying existence itself
... You can. That's my point.

>>532892291
>Atheism is believe that God do not exist!
That might be the church's definition, which is wrong.
The belief that gods do not exist is anti-theism. Yes, there is a word for that, and smart people use it correctly.

>>532892716
That has no theological basis and would render the bible untrue.

>>532889194
>Brainwashing yourself until you start to believe
You are if your father, the devil, an earnest search for Christ is not brainwashing

without jesus you have to face gods judgement alone

>>532890339
It gets quite clear early on.
The old testament does not belong to the Bible. It's a different god. Not our God. Jesus is the truth, not paper from jewish tribes.

>>532892412
>you can't disprove intelligent design.
Wouldn't we have to wait for someone to prove it first, before we set about disproving it? Still waiting on that.

Assertions made without evidence or is easily dismissed without evidence. Hitchslap!

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Sodomites are the christ-like forces in the world. They are the good guys.

When a man has sex with another man, it is imitating Christ.

The only thing is if you believe in the preservation of race on a global scale, then the sodomites are the bad guys, since if they had full power, it would lead to the mixing of all the races (this is what is meant by in the book of Revelation locking the dragon away for 1,000 years until the dragon no longer matters).

So I ruefully admit that according to Christianity, I would be Satan.

To imitate christ, you want to have men have sex with eachother

>>532892834
This implies fear is the driving motivator of your faith

>>532892799
Fine, but I'm not talking about the bible.
There seems to be some kind of a misunderstanding here. Are you making general statements or are you just trying to poke holes in the bible?

>>532892291
>Disbelief is vague word !
Not really

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Christbros...how do we explain this?

>>532890010
>3700 denominations
>wrongly project their rampant child sex abuse on Catholics
>watered down doctrine and dogma
>no real ecclesiastical anything
>no real foundation in anything.
>no understanding of the Magisterium
>Lazy as fuck.
Martin Luther should have been executed for heresy

>>532892643
>willing to entertain your disrespectful comments.
Nigger, do you hear yourself? You zoomers have no self awareness

>>532892558
Imagine a 6'3 white Christian man talking to a 5'3 Indian balloon seller in India about free will lmao, if anything is true it's genetic determinism, can't escape your genes

>>532881655
which one.
jews and muslims do not call god Jesus.
so which one do you mean?

>>532892915
I have nothing to fear with jesus at my side

>>532891961
Yes, one of the only two that count and that Schism will be healed

>>532880437
everybody who rejects Jesus as God has the devil as his God. Easy as.
so Jews and Moslems dont get it

>>532892717
Theist = I believe
Atheist = I do not believe

Agnostic = prove me it exist
Gnostic = it do not exist

>>532892934
I'm exclusively referring to christian theology, but I suppose in a grander perspective, the absence of free will would defy the notion of intelligent design, except in simulation theory. Given the scale of the observable universe, what it might take to create it would be an infinite intelligence, which, absent of free will, would have no logical reason to create something for itself which it already knows, unless it serves some other form of utility. But that seems like... less-intelligent design.

>>532893165
The implication is you would fear your own father without jesus at your side. Meaning your faith isn't true, it's capture based on fear of an absense of jesus