The dark underbelly of insect farmingA recent investigation uncovered that the leading insect farming company, Ynsect, was a horrifying disaster. While company leadership soaked up millions in subsidies https://www.feedinfo.com/our-content/interview-world-s-largest-insect-farm-to-benefit-from-significant-investor-backing-ynsect-ceo/209217 with sunny rhetoric about their commercial success, the dark reality inside the farm was like nothing anyone imagined.Investigators found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7mKYfGFqA filth clogging the machines, endangering workers. Larval bins would routinely break open, leading to repeated showers of larvae. Insects crawled all over the place, wholly uncontained. Airborne larval food floated haphazardly through the air, making workers sick. Birds wandered freely throughout the facility, their feces coating the machines. The whole area was a deluge of filth, feces, disease, and pollution.
so just like a regular farm
>>532892678in india maybe...
>>532892575The photos above show what the place looked like. In person, it was even more of a horror show. Investigators described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7mKYfGFqA >And here, in the photos and videos, you don't have the smells. In reality, it makes you dizzy. It's impossible to breathe. >Even with a mask, it makes you feel sick.
>>532892678>average non vegan
>>532892678Factory farm/confinement building...meh, depends.Pasture farm? No
>>532892575is that one of Klaus Schwab's factories?
>>532892575>average frenchoid """cuisine"""
>>532892739>>532892575The accounts from workers were even more harrowing.>There was no dust extraction, nothing at all. I started having a runny nose, itchy eyes, a scratchy throat, my nose running, my eyes burning, and difficulty breathing. >Rashes on my hands, on my feet, on my knees... Everything around the joints. I had great difficulty breathing…especially in the evening when I was at home, lying down, almost sleeping outside.>Outside? Outside, in my stairwell. I couldn’t sleep lying down in my bed anymore. I held onto a railing, I thought I was going to pass out…>…>They told me they would contact occupational health, but they didn't.
>>532892575>disaster>company leadership soaked up millions in subsidiesSounds like primary goal was achieved
>>532892933That worker later relayed, “My lungs were so swollen that they were pressing against my rib cage. And that's what was preventing me from breathing.”Ynsect is now bankrupt, having taken millions of euros in public funding and generated essentially no revenue. As Corentin Biteau, co-founder of ONEI which researches insect farming in France, notes “Ynsect’s 2023 figures were stark: €656K in revenue for €80M in losses. Maintaining insects at 25–30°C year-round, operating complex facilities, and competing with commodity feed prices proved too difficult.”Ynsect was the industry leader. It was seen as the model of how to do insect farming right. And yet even with hundreds of millions of euros, it wasn’t remotely able to be economically viable. If the industry leader can’t avoid bankruptcy, and no one can figure out how to have a remotely viable business model, what hope is there for the insect farming industry?What are we doing? Why do taxpayers have to fund these economically unsustainable, environmentally destructive disasters that poison workers and pollute the local environments? Why is the government taking your money and my money to fund disaster insect farms that can’t pay for themselves?On every front, the insect farming industry is a disaster.
>>532892575Truly satanic.
>>532893011It’s a disaster economically. In recent years, a quarter of the 20 largest insect farms have gone bankrupt, and many of the ones that remain teeter on the edge of bankruptcy. The largest Dutch newspaper notes that investors have gotten increasingly wary about funding insect farms after their repeated economic implosions.What is the path forward? It won’t be feeding farmed insects to people, who don’t want to eat insects and certainly won’t eat black soldier flies the main species being farmed. The industry’s aim is to provide low-quality feed to factory farmed animals. But insect feed is much more expensive than alternative feeds, and that’s highly unlikely to change in the future. Maintaining appropriate temperatures so that the insects can grow is expensive, and the industry hasn’t found a way to cut costs.It’s a disaster environmentally. Insects being fed to animals generate over 13 times more carbon emissions than onions-based alternatives. Nobody has been able to explain what the path forward is for the industry even as they demand more funding from unwilling taxpayers.When people tout insect farming as environmentally sustainable, they normally compare it to meat. And sure, if you eat a bug burger instead of a beef burger, that will be better for the environment. But no one wants to eat burgers made from bugs, so instead the insects are fed to the animals we eat. Insect farming is an industry complementary to conventional factory farming, not a competitor. If you’re concerned about the environmental footprint of factory farms, that is an argument against insect farming, not for it.
Post pics plz
>>532893149It’s a disaster on animal welfare grounds. Most animals killed each year are now farmed insects, and they’re kept in horrifying conditions without any welfare protections, even as evidence is increasingly coming in for their sentience. They’re often killed by being microwaved, suffocated, frozen, or boiled. We should be wary of boiling potentially sentient beings by the trillions, even if they’re small and don’t have many neurons. We shouldn’t do it unless there’s a good reason.On the farms, insects are kept in overcrowded conditions where they express none of their natural behaviors. Disease is a ubiquitous feature of their lives. A report by Rethink Priorities notes “reports of larger disease outbreaks in the industry abound, including viral and fungal infections (reviewed in the paper); these diseases may be associated with significant mortality, as well as suffering related to symptoms that develop before death.”I think we go wrong in our neglect of insects and they matter more than we naively think. It seems reasonably likely, in my view, that they can feel fairly intense pain, and the moral arguments against taking their pain seriously are not convincing. But even if you reject this view, you should always be wary about torturing trillions of beings for basically no reason. We should strive to be compassionate and not hurt animals in large number if there’s no need to do so.You don’t have to be a bug rights activist to think that if we’re farming in hideous conditions so many bugs that most farmed animals we slaughter are now bugs, and so far no benefits have materialized at all, and there’s no story of how future benefits might materialize, and their welfare is wholly ignored even to the point where they’re microwaved to death, something very bad is going on.
>>532892916it looks like they made pet and farm animal feed in Francethey probably poisoned a bunch of animals and then went under
>>532893240>In the same way, even if there's only a 50-50 chance insects have moral value, or a 1% chance, still seems like you should avoid factory-farming and killing ten trillion of them, which is about how many we currently farm>…>Really any normal person should be able to take care of all their insect-harming needs without going over whatever moral budget they set for themselves - the same kind of venial sin as buying a banana even though this is probably bad for the rainforest somehow. It’s not a problem unless you’re factory-farming ten trillion insects, at which point it really starts to add up.
>>532893324With conditions this dire, with feces covering and insects crawling over dilapidated machines, where workers struggle to breathe, the catastrophe isn’t contained. It spreads to the surrounding countryside, bringing novel diseases to nearby wildlife. Alarmingly, diseases on insect farms could spread. A paper by Gałęcki & Sokół found parasites in 81.33% of examined insect farms. In 30.33% of cases, parasites could infect humans. Should we risk innocent people being infected by parasites so that insect farms can make costly feed for farmed fish?It would be one thing if insect farming provided an alternative to conventional meat. At least in that case there would be some argument for tolerating them. But in light of the fact that they are wholly without upside, tormenting trillions of insects unnecessarily, making people sick, and poisoning and polluting the surrounding landscape, they must go. It is a catastrophe and an embarrassment that so many have been duped by their bogus promises of replacing the meat industry and that taxpayers must fund their craven operations.
> farm ran horribly> nightmareyes, tends to be the case
>>532893493It’s one thing for a factory farm of chickens to be run horribly, it’s hell for the chickens but at least it produces reasonably priced and decent quality meat for humansThese farms are the equivalent of buying a Lamborghini and using it as a giant flower pot
>>532893355only crazy people want to "replace the meat industry"
back to lab grown meat then i guesson another note, not to hijack but there was a woman some 50 years or so ago that had tumor cells that replicate and live to this day. I have the suspecion that they are the basis for lab grown tumor cells and that we indeed will be eating human flesh. not that we arent doing it already going by what some rabbi say but still. If ill notice any shakes on myself or other, ill know itll be too late
>>532893678Why’s that? Most crops grown are fed to livestock animals so humans could just eat those crops instead
>>532892575>Insects crawled all over the place, wholly uncontainedAnon, it's an insect farm.
>>532892916Probably.The birds were there to fix it until some woman from the government showed up to 'help'.
>>532893822Anything to avoid being vegan? Human flesh and bodily fluids are technically animal products Also Israel has some of the highest rates of veganism in the world. The IDF has one of the highest rates of vegans and makes the most accommodations for vegansIf veganism is so bad and self destructive why would they weaken themselves intentionally?
>>532894017What if those birds got parasites and got sick from eating the bugs?
>>532892575>The whole area was a deluge of filth, feces, disease, and pollutionCHYNAINDIA
>>532893240>evidence for bug sentience>bug suffering>neglect of insects>torturing trillions of beings>bug rights activist>bug welfareplease tell me this whole section is satire
This reminds me of this guy or Gordon Ramsey getting angry and criticizing a restaurant owner
>>532894035being vegan might become difficult when prices grow. going by the closure of that iran canal i expect prices for vegetables to explode. i try to buy and eat as much halal jew food as possible. those shitty apps show better rating for the same goy and nongoy product with non goy being vastly superior
>>532892575This is why I only eat free-roaming bugs. This shit is inhumane, bugs have feelings too.
>>532894189>>532893240>Most animals killed each year are now farmed insects,https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/mdcSeMwkBEYhdTAWF/to-a-first-approximation-all-farmed-animals-are-bugshttps://asteriskmag.com/issues/09/the-case-for-insect-consciousnesshttps://rethinkpriorities.org/research-area/welfare-considerations-for-farmed-black-soldier-flies-hermetia-illucens/https://rethinkpriorities.org/research-area/welfare-considerations-for-farmed-black-soldier-flies-hermetia-illucens/
>>532894252>explodethe problem is that in a open global market the "explosion in prices" is just a few dollars that your average middle class euro/american can absorb while your average third worlder who makes $300 a month cannot
>>532894252I have not looked into kosher vs non kosher much, im aware of small differences like yellow capped soda using sugar instead of hfcs at the same price.>being vegan might become difficult when prices grow. going by the closure of that iran canal i expect prices for vegetables to explode. Vegetable prices will increase yes. But so will the price of meat as almost all meat is from grain fed animals. Grains need fertilizer or pesticides, animals need multiple pounds of grains for 1 pound of meat etcGrains are cheapest. I like oats, hemp seeds, pumpkin seeds and so y milk. Potatoes are nice too
>>532893822>but there was a woman some 50 years or so ago that had tumor cells that replicate and live to this dayThat was a nigger foid, mutts made food dye out of her supercancer for decades.
>>532894396Ukrainian terrorist attacks on Russian oil + Iran war will lead to starvation for the poorest people on earth who get lots of their calories from imported grains
>>532894112Well, I've never seen a homosexual chicken, so I don't believe that can happen.
>>532894661>Vegetable prices will increaseJust stop feeding the turd world
>>532893355https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0219303&type=printable
>>532894396Starving turdworlders is a solution, not a problem.
>>532894035Circumcision is bad and yet they do it. They're not actually smart.
>>532894999I agree circumcision is bad but it’s mandatory for their religion and veganism is not. So to be vegan when it’s not required requires a non religious explanation? I guess the Old Testament mentions animal welfare a few times
>>532894758>Same-sex mounting (rooster-on-rooster or hen-on-hen), pair bonding, and related courtship-like actions occur, but they are relatively rare and often context-dependent rather than indicative of lifelong exclusive homosexuality. In all-male or all-female groups (common in commercial or experimental settings), males frequently mount other males, and this has been documented since at least a 1964 Virginia Tech study on cockerels reared in sex-segregated flocks or cages, where they displayed mating behaviors toward same-sex individuals. >Backyard poultry keepers and forums also report occasional observations of roosters forming close bonds with other roosters (sleeping, eating, and dust-bathing together while attempting to mount), sometimes preferring them over available hens. Hens in single-sex flocks may mount others, often as dominance behavior or due to hormonal shifts.
>>532892575Yes and ? White retards wanted to fund it, that company did nothing wrong. It s not a scam, they sold a solution to muh climate warming cultists fake problems, high dose of valium would have been cheaper but it s not what they want. The whole green economy is a scam because white people can t face reality, no industry will ever come back, we are doomed to become giant museum for the new wealthy class. You remember the jewish talking point "they sell us shirts and we sell the planes" about China ? I m sure those jews used the same talking point in every goyim countries, we arr rook same. Ynsect did nothing wrong.
>mealworms can digest styrofoam and loads of other worthless shit>NOOOOOOOO SHUT THIS DOWN THE INSECT FARM PRODUCES FRASSI had a black soldier fly colony and they were amazing for composting.
>>532893011Government funding is the core issue. This is also what let bankers take over the country. If they give a loan to the government for a war, and the government wins, its paid from the spoils of war. If they lose the taxpayer pays the loan.
>>532892575my favorite part about this story is that how the worker was too stupid to quit and leave, and decided to suffer so he could whine to the news outlet about the conditions. worthless faggot deserves to be enslaved.
>>532895544Good Goy
>>532895694Was he an illegal alien working off the books or an ex convict on parole?
We live in a gangster's paradise where crime and scamming and fraud are more valuable than any honest industries and no governments hold the criminals accountable. The fresh hell is here, and getting fresher.
>>532895680Infinite money printing, no gold backed currency, money backed by nothing, central bank, usuryAll needs to endGod damn Catholics reversed their position on usury and now says it’s fine
>>532895923This is why I sympathize with people like Luigi mangione and wonder why people like him are so rare
>>532892678Fucking this. People hear the word "farm" and they think of Old McDonald, and that hasn't been what farms look like for 70 years or more. When I think of farms, I think of man-made lakes of pig shit that you can smell from 100 miles away when the wind is right, and the wind is usually JUST right for it. And even when it's not windy, you can smell it from 30-40 miles off. I've driven through whole towns and cities like Greeley Colorado that smell like a cow is fucking farting right in your face the whole goddamn fucking time you're there, and you can smell that shit in all the neighboring towns and cities whenever the wind blows, which is almost every fucking day. Farms are cesspits.
>>532892575>insect farm had insects crawling all over the placeHow did this happen?
>>532895750Should be a 6 million dollar billCome on anon land the whole joke
>>532894189I will accept the hippies' reasoning if it means we can kill the movement to eat the bugs stone cold.
>>532892993Sounds a lot like the AI data centers. Also the green energy subsidies from Obama. I guess it takes loads of socialism for capitalism to work out.
>>532892575So basically India? Was the CEO named Gupta or Patel or Sukdeep or something like that?
>>532896181Vegan animal sanctuaries are technically “farms” and don’t have this problem nearly as much >>532896238It’s not a joke https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/who-are-the-influencers-israel-is-paying-7k-per-post/ar-AA1NM8yEOn Tuesday, RS published a story about how Israel is paying a cohort of 14-18 social media influencers around $7,000 per post to promote the country’s image in the American public. The campaign, nicknamed “Esther Project,” is coordinated by a newly created firm working out of a Capitol Hill rowhouse called Bridges Partners, and is slated to run through November.However, as of publication, it is unclear who the influencers themselves are. According to the contract, they were supposed to begin posting on behalf of Israel in July, yet have not registered as foreign agents. By not registering as foreign agents and disclosing their names, the influencers are likely in violation of the U.S.’s premier foreign lobbying law, the Foreign Agents Registration Act. FARA experts say they must also mark their content on social media so that viewers know it is content sponsored by Israel.
>>532892933GOOD, FUCK HIM! That's what he fucking gets for working at an insect farm, I hope he fucking dies of some horrible disease. All he was doing was helping to prolong the company's existence, nobody should work for these farms just like nobody should buy insect products. FUCK YOU, NIGGER!!!As far as I'm concerned anybody who ever worked for ONE DAY at an insect farm might as well be an insect and marry an insect and have fucking maggots for children. I fucking pray to JESUS that that dude dies of a horrible disease as soon as possible. Fucking traitor to humanity.
>>532893240>Most animals killed each year are now farmed insects, and they’re kept in horrifying conditions without any welfare protections, even as evidence is increasingly coming in for their sentience.watwho gives a fuck
>>532893822Whatever they'll grow, Rabbi's will say it's not kosher for Jews to eat but everyone else should eat as much of it as possible.
>>532896424Yes, there is Indian ethnic involvement at the executive level. In July 2023, Shankar Krishnamoorthy (Indian-origin name and background, previously with French energy company Engie) replaced co-founder Antoine Hubert as CEO. He had joined Ÿnsect in 2021 as COO and oversaw aspects of the Amiens “giga-factory” operations during the later period of the problems described. https://www.fooddive.com/news/insect-protein-company-ynsect-names-insider-as-ceo/686037/
>>532892678I live in an area inundated with traditional old school Amish farms, you can freely look at their fields and barns, which are remarkably clean. The article and picture show vast piles of filth. You might be more than a little retarded.
>>532892575"Shocking"
>>532896671>>532896424>>532892722https://www.petfoodprocessing.net/articles/17169-ynsect-names-new-ceo-expands-board-of-directors https://agfundernews.com/insect-protein-giant-ynsect-targets-profitability-with-a-new-ceo-and-new-company-strategy His name and career trajectory are consistent with Indian (likely South Indian/Hindu cultural) ethnic origins, though he is based in France (Le Vésinet area).>The CEO transition to Krishnamoorthy happened mid-crisis (2023)
>>532892575>The dark underbelly of insect farming>A recent investigation uncovered that the leading insect farming company, Ynsect, was a horrifying disaster. While company leadership soaked up millions in subsidies https://www.feedinfo.com/our-content/interview-world-s-largest-insect-farm-to-benefit-from-significant-investor-backing-ynsect-ceo/209217 with sunny rhetoric about their commercial success, the dark reality inside the farm was like nothing anyone imagined.>Investigators found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7mKYfGFqA [Open] filth clogging the machines, endangering workers. Larval bins would routinely break open, leading to repeated showers of larvae. Insects crawled all over the place, wholly uncontained. Airborne larval food floated haphazardly through the air, making workers sick. Birds wandered freely throughout the facility, their feces coating the machines. The whole area was a deluge of filth, feces, disease, and pollution.the absolute state>>532894361>This is why I only eat free-roaming bugs. This shit is inhumane, bugs have feelings too.kek
>>532896547That’s speciesist
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>>532896555No, it’s not kosher.Jewish dietary law (kashrut) prohibits eating almost all insects (“bugs”). The Torah forbids swarming or creeping creatures (Leviticus 11), with only a few specific types of locusts/grasshoppers explicitly allowed if they have the exact kosher signs (four walking legs, four wings, jumping legs, and wings covering most of the body).Farming or raising insects doesn’t change anything. Kashrut rules depend on the species, not how they’re grown or sourced. Most common farmed insects (crickets, mealworms, etc.) don’t qualify as kosher.Exceptions: Only certain Jewish communities (e.g., some Yemenite Jews) still reliably identify and eat the permitted locust species. For everyone else following standard Orthodox practice, insects are off-limits.In short: skip the bugs.
>>532896703And Amish farms feed less than 1% of America. You're a retard>>532896181They also "swill feed" pigs, which is a euphemism for feeding them literal garbage. Plastic and all>Vegan animal sanctuaries are technically “farms” and don’t have this problem nearly as muchFarms produce excess calories. Your wordplay is meaningless semantics
>>532897361Non organic plant farming uses very little animal waste fertilizer and produces lots of excess calories. Factory farm poop is mostly used for organic plant farming
>>532894035Utterly dumb fuck idea in the same vein as insect farms.Who's going to eat water porridge gruel everyday because that's all you can grow on grade 3 land along with feed?Where are you going to magic the 40% loss in fertiliser that animals produce?Veganism like all that shit is an arguement for depopulation by retards who have no idea what they are talking about or think they will be king of the unclean in their paradise future.Do you honestly think farmers don't grow as high quality food as the land affords? That farmers with millenia of knowledge are just too dumb or the market is just too immoral? Are you that retarded you think animals were domesticated before arable farming kicked off?Jews are the Jim Cramer of culture.
>>532897474>Factory farm poop is mostly used for organic plant farmingThat's terrible but unsurprising. I've been eating kosher, organic, non-gmo for many years. It's hard to avoid poison without producing one's own food
>>532897359 Ot according to Talmud chapter 746 clause 6 gorillian. Rabbi smolldick managed to trick god which means Jews are allowed to.
>>532894392>the "case" for "insect consciousness"if you take the atheist worldview to its logical conclusion... (believing that all of what the universe contains can be explained by rubbing molecules together)then you could literally make a "case" (however stupid) for a n y t h i n gif atheists believe that their "ancestors" were some chemicals in a primordial soup (hehehe), then you might as well go ahead and say it... you cannot rule out that the asteroid debris or dust floating around the cosmos MAY or MAY NOT possibly, be "conscious" too, therefore atheists should be wary of how they treat their (distant) cousins... LOL
>>532896181> People hear the word "farm" and they think of Old McDonald, and that hasn't been what farms look like for 70 years or moreHeard that bullshit for 30 years. People living in urban centres think farms are what the textbooks tell them they are.Given the fact we have endless adolescent retards doing the biodiversity is better than crude population just like the environmentalism is better than ecology. That would suggest they are all being taught the factory farm monolith delusion.> Nature's fertiliser doesn't smell like my artificially derived terpene petrochemical car scentSpoken like a true vegan and I can smell your dick cheese from here anon because it's rubbed all against your trousers leg anon and it's disgusting.
>>532893240I'm from Buenos Aires.
>>532892678What sort of fucked up farms are you faggots in the Netherlands running?
>>532892575:Literal bugmen
>>532897536>Who's going to eat water porridge gruel everyday because that's all you can grow on grade 3 land along with feed?There’s enough land for people to be able to eat fruits and vegetables too. >Where are you going to magic the 40% loss in fertiliser that animals produce?Synthetic fertilizers >Do you honestly think farmers don't grow as high quality food as the land affords? That farmers with millenia of knowledge are just too dumb or the market is just too immoral? People like the taste of meat and keep buying it.>Are you that retarded you think animals were domesticated before arable farming kicked off?Technology exists now to make lots of cheap synthetic fertilizers.https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216“Most strikingly, impacts of the lowest-impact animal products typically exceed those of vegetable substitutes, providing new evidence for the importance of dietary change.”The studys modeling which is largest meta analysis of 38700 farms shows that a global shift to a vegan or plant based diet would reduce total agricultural land use by 75 percent. Fruits and vegetables and stuff can be grown on lower quality land with current technology and there’s enough for everyone
>>532892575Are jews still obsessed with force feeding goys bugs?
>>532894189Nigger there is good evidence for plant sentence.
>>532897738The evidence birds and mammals are conscious is overwhelming due to stuff like the Cambridge declaration of consciousness . The author of the original article is a theist anyway https://benthams.substack.com/p/arguments-for-god-tier-list https://benthams.substack.com/p/leading-insect-farm-took-millions
>>532898366 feed them to farm animals and then you eat the beef, pork or fish
>>532897536https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-023-00795-w“Dietary impacts of vegans were 25.1% of high meat-eaters for … land use.” “All environmental indicators showed a positive association with amounts of animal-based food consumed. … At least 30% differences were found between low and high meat-eaters for most indicators.”
>>532897536https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9024616/ “Transitioning to plant-based diets has the potential to reduce diet-related land use by 76%”
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>>532892678No nothing like a regular farmTheres a reason we havent been breeding insects for anything other than luring fish you faggot
>>532892575was it run by indians?
>>532896464>>532896238>>532895750https://lucasgage.com/my-music/ I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I don't give a shit about dead kids I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I love getting paychecks from Zionists I don't have any morals, I just love to get money I don't care about genocide, I actually think it's funny I can spell Jerusalem or point to where it is But I'd probably stand with Israel unless Apex, bitch I want the shekels, reach and fame I couldn't care less how many innocents are slain I will go kiss the wall if that's what I have to do I have no problem being a good boy for Jews I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I don't give a shit about dead kids I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I love getting paychecks from Zionists Don't come at me with requests to debate You just wanna pick on the only Jewish state You wanna bring up Gaza and the USS Liberty But who caused the pogroms of Jews throughout history? You're clearly jealous of the Jewish people and me I know this extra seven thousand makes you sick You're just a loser, an anti-Semite You hate the chosen people and love to ankle-bite I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I don't give a shit about dead kids I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I love getting paychecks from Zionists I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I don't give a shit about dead kids I got my seven, seven, seven thousand dollars I love getting paychecks from Zionists
>>532892575so this just confirms everything about climate change is just fake and gayone big grift to jewish pockets while at the same time restricting and taking away the goyims freedoms
>>532893149>>532893240Holy fucking shit two giant walls of text for something human being’s intrinsically knew
>>532899641sort of >>532896796>>532896671
>>532899724But eating grains instead of factory farmed meat is actually better for the environment
>>532892678>all the rural cucks seething from this post Here’s a pro-tip: anyone who doesn’t fetishize “farm life” sees it as filthy.
>>532898341Where are you inventing all this grade two and one land from. Could you show me it on a land grading map?Capacity doesn't existYeh yeh, it's the consumers fault as always, those made of less finer clay. No actually it's the farmers fault, also made of less finer clay.That's the dumbest most reaching research out there> Npk values = soil conditioning and geography> I marked my own work and somehow managed to score 11/10Same bullshit studies the insect farmers used to milk hard working people for billions.Put your money where your mouth is and go grow tomatoes on pic rel, show us the results. Stop asking to be paid for hot air.
>>532892678no you stupid toothpaste
>>532899779>>532896424>>532896671lmao I love when my schizo sense is right on the money
>>532892575YOU VILL EAT ZE BU-ACK
>>532899857I may be a low iq spic, but you need more grains to feed a human than you do with a piece of meatand you need more water to grow the grainsanywho using this to check the latest big gets>>532900000>>532899999
>>532899902You sound like a retard projecting his idiocy onto the world at large.Having no respect for where food comes from = you don't deserve to eat
>>532898946> If I wave my wandGo do it then. Stop asking for money and produce a self sufficient vegetable farm on a random bit of grade 3 land above the 30° parallel.Yellowstone park has roughly 70k animal population in a 3500km2 area.Luxembourg has 250k animal population on 2200km2Again an argument for depopulation. Kill all those animals, genocide domesticated animals and sentence there successors to lives of infant mortality, horrible diseases, predation.Dogs would rather be beggars in cities than wild anywhere, every time. They have to constantly put out bulletins to normies to stop them from accidentally domesticating animals. See an emaciated dying wild animal, ignore it.All so you can live in fantasy land. Wait, not even live in it because you could if you wanted to. You just have a morality so fucking weak that you need the whole world to adopt it.
>>532899924No one claims we’d grow vegetables there. The studies use real land capability data showing that 75% of all agricultural land is exactly this kind of low grade pasture or cropland wasted on animal feed. Plant based diets free up the high grade arable land we already haveVeganism is about no longer wasting so much high quality land on animal feed. Only a few percent or less of farm animals are fed pasture raised https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216“Almost three-quarters of this land is used as pasture, the remaining quarter is cropland… around 80% of all agricultural land is used for meat and dairy production.”
>>532900343You have to feed a cow multiple pounds of grain to get a single pound of meat from her
Why are these threads always full of vegan faggots and animal rights trannies? What percentage of india is online now?
>>532900805I am a white American Not IndianI am straight Not transgender Not Jewish ethnically or religiouslyI denounce the Talmud.I believe Mohammed is a false prophet.I denounce and condemn Vishnu.
>>532900567America is 45% LCC 4-7 dumb fuck. You can only grow grass on it. Your retarded soft handed never left a lab study completely ignores this common sense.
>>532900567> WeJajajajaja, if there's that many then prove it without demanding money from everyone and putting everyone through your great dumb fuck leap forward . . .
>>532894189fuck knows. probably satire, yes. but if you could rile up the usual suspects by this kind of meme, wouldn't you?
>>532894361>I only eat free-roaming bugsa prehensile tongue is a must, then.
>>532900653Which completely ignores DIAAS because you are a dumb fuck performative soft handed copy pasted opinions cunt.Go tell the women and maybe they will shower you with fanny for being such a big one.
>>532894915yeah. I have notified all my friends and enemies that I will eat long pig before I eat insects.
>>532900947Notice you never said you weren't in the trauma bond let's fuck up the normal development of our endochondral systems and lifelong hormone expression cult . . .
>>532901377>>532901322There’s enough lcc 1-3 to feed everyone a vegan diet. We’re wasting about 70% of it on animal feed.https://online.ucpress.edu/elementa/article/doi/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/112904/Carrying-capacity-of-U-S-agricultural-land-Ten“Carrying capacity varied from 402 to 807 million persons; 1.3 to 2.6 times the 2010 U.S. population. Carrying capacity was generally higher for scenarios with less meat”“None of the vegetarian diets used any grazing land…..Food crops constituted an increasing share of cropland use as the amount of meat in the diet was reduced”The study linked above explicitly uses United States llc data to separate arable cropland for crops from non arable grazing land . plant based scenarios feed far more people using only the high grade land we already have. There’s no magic transforming of bad quality land to high quality land just reallocating what is already prime farmland
hon hon eat le bugs
>>532901552so y is extremely high quality protein wheat is mostly for carbs but even 2000 calories of rice has like 50 grams of protein and it’s not a high protein vegan food
>>532901661I believe circumcision of children is an immoral act of sexual assault which should be completely banned.
So y milk and cow milk provide very similar amounts of protein typically around 7 to 9 grams per cup Both are complete proteins cow milk has a slight edge according the DIAAS cow's milk scores 1.2 to 1.45 and so y milk scores 0.9 to 1.08 Phyto estrogen is also not feminizing in men
>>532892575The whole "eating bugs" thing obviously belongs in some hellish new world dystopia
>>532902476You’re already in oneFrog in a boiling pot of water
>>532901801Where are your magic extra 30 million tonnes of nitrogen annually to achieve the vegan panacea come from dumb fuck?
>>532902018I presume the deflection means you are in the cult . . .Though have to say and won't ignore that is a commendable moral position, but doesn't qualify anything in this conversation.
>>532900460Why are you projecting? It’s possible to respect something buy also think it’s dirty. You just hate to hear how it is.
>>532901933Which is a retarded statement and has nothing to do with DIAAS.You need 800g of lentils to utilise the same protein as 200g of steak. Proving you are a bonafide street shitter.Plus again, you are inventing land and synthetic fertiliser which doesn't exist except in fantasy land.
Always found the idea of eating insect abhorrent, mostly because its literally impossible to gut and clean an insect innards, so when you eat an insect you also eat its shit. A bowl of insects would probably equate to sizeable amount of shit, like a fifth or sixth of the damned bowl but peppered all over.Thank buy no thanks.
>>532902617Why are vegans retarded? Cows were artificially selected for millennia to produce way way more milk than what's needed for their calves. The vast majority of them are long weaned before they get butchered.
>Insect FarmIs that where they make chicken food?
>>532892739>>532892575kek
>>532893858let people eat what they want and stop being a total faggotif i had to choose between eating beef and exterminating all non-whites I would be eating a fucking cheeseburger later
>>532902661No extra nitrogen is needed because a global shift to plant based diets would reduce total fertilizer nitrogen requirements substantially because 75% of current cropland grows animal feed That means massive amounts of nitrogen is wasted to grow crops to then feed multiple pounds of crops to animals instead of humans not feeding animals crops and just eating the crops they are growing https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344922006528 “Shifting from animal to plant sources of protein can substantially reduce fertilizer requirements”“For an AFP (meat milk eggs etc, stands for animal food product) share of 20%, fertilizer requirements vary from 1.0-14 times that of a vegan diet as (feed efficiency ) increases….Thus, shifting…..can substantially reduce fertilizer requirements”>>532903286Most cows today on factory farms where most milk comes from are separated from their children right after birth They are fed a milk substitute The dairy industry is the veal industry
>>532901801That's interesting but if you tried to force everybody to become vegan they would instead kill you
>>532893240I hope you never have to find out how industrial fishing works.
>>532903712What if someone wants to eat human babies Do androids dream of electric sheap? Is a good argument for veganism>rights are only for humansDefine human.If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.https://www.dominionmovement.com/watchhttps://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTraitThis dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-Mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9Ahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3DIf someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)
>>532896181I dunno what kinda fucktard farms you live nearby. But i regularly drive through rural farm towns and work near one. And yes these include ranches. Even one with buffalo. Anyways, none of that shit exists near here. Now west texas might be different. But beaners and queers owning steers leads to filth i wouldnt call it farming, just faggotry.
>>532892678Eat ze bugs Jew detected.
>>532904021I’ve watched dominion so I have some idea https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
>>532892575Honestly I've left AirBnB's in a worse condition than that.
>>532902296lmao
>>532892933wow the guy worked at the insect farm and got bitten by an insect, complete shock
>>53290388575% again marking your own work, that number is 45% globally. Again completely ignoring land grading. 70% of animals grazing is on 4-7 land grade which can only grow grass.> Remove 40% of all fertiliser which comes from animals> Don't need to replace itWho gets to have water porridge gruel, you still haven't said?.You are fundamentally now just making a land usage argument with no direct qualification.It's the age old women get paid less arguement. Why not just hire women then?Easy enough to get people to consume engine oil by calling it vegetable oil but much nasty consumer is stopping the market with his immoral demands when it comes to meat.
>>532893240>insects>sentient
>>532898180the ones in the u.s. need laws that prohibit showing what happens there. maybe lay off the animal ag mafia worship a little
>>532904028>the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)Absolute reddit tier. This is no different than women pointing out the one outlier in a sample group and then denying that generalising statements can still be said about the group.
>>532904028what if people just immediately discounted everything a fucking retard said, after they suggested cannibalism?
>>532892678>so just like a regular farmmore like EU regulated farm
>>532905255> Remove 40% of all fertiliser which comes from animals> Don't need to replace itThe studies controlled for this
>>532892933>I started having a runny nose, itchy eyes, a scratchy throat, my nose running, my eyes burning, and difficulty breathing. >Rashes on my hands, on my feet, on my knees... Everything around the joints. I had great difficulty breathing…especially in the evening when I was at home, lying down, almost sleeping outside.isn't chitin alergen? vaguely recall some /pol/ infograpics about it
>>532896181Ahhh, the I-80 through Nebraska
>>532906063Or belonging to a species with at least one member attaining some trait (intelligence or language or rationality at a certain arbitrary level)It's ultimately an absurd claim in itself, but not very hard to counter.To highlight the absurdity: So if we're looking for one individual who is 'smart' in the species, and there are two islands of 'stupid' people thousands of miles apart, on one Island somebody is born who has that arbitrary x level of higher intelligence to qualify as 'smart'. Suddenly the people on the other island thousands of miles away gain moral value where before that instant of realizing that arbitrary level of intelligence on the other island they had none?It's a very silly claim that begs justification for both WHY that particular arbitrary level of intelligence, but also for why it grants other people moral value. I'll address the latter:If the argument is that it grants others moral value because they can breed together as per the definition of species (and presumably are potential mates to spread that intelligent gene) why would it grant moral value to people on an island thousands of miles away who are not potential mates? It's also a fundamentally eugenic argument: people on average might have some moral value as potential mates, but people with genetic diseases or very low IQs who would dilute or damage the offspring of the intelligent people would actually have negative moral value.That's probably enough to discredit the argument to most people's satisfaction. But if you want: What if a human who didn't reach that level of intelligence were transported to a parallel dimension with no humans. Would that human lose moral value? If not, then all remotely intelligent animals have moral value as per multiverse theory where every possible universe exists, so there are universes with pigs and cows and chickens (genetically the same species) with a couple different genes giving them that level of intelligence.
>>532896703Cool. Now get them to provide for the whole country
>>532906474>>532906063There's a fair chance there are no universes in which something could be intelligent and have genetic composition making reproduction with a plant or bacterium possible, but anything with a brain it could. If the person admitted that somebody would lose moral value if transported to another universe if it made procreation impossible, that comes back to the island question, and a question of the elderly who can no longer procreate, and of those who are infertile, and of the eugenics issue.Species NormalcyThis claim is similar to the Species Maximum claim, but asserts value of the entire species is based on what is normal for the species, or supposedly whatever represents more than 50% of the species. This claim suffers from the similar issues to that of Species Maximum, but the threshold for having or lacking moral value results in devaluation all of the beings that DO have that trait when they represent less than 50% of the species population. Thus, following from this, if somebody set up a factory farm on Mars and bred 8 billion humans with mental retardation to fall below the intelligence threshold (or whatever trait was associated with moral value for the species), then all of the humans on Earth would lose moral value because of this.Reformulating the claim to Species Maximum is a common response to demonstrating this issue with the Species Normalcy claim.>>532906377Rfk jr wants to replace synthetic food dies with insect based red coloring even though a plant based one exists Yes many people are allergic to this insect part https://statesofexception.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-wants-to-make-you-eat-bugs
>>532893355It strikes me as the sort of operation where even if a plant is properly maintained (in this case it seems it most certainly wasn't) and running optimally, it still wouldn't be profitable. Inherently buggy.
>>532907895Isn’t that true of lots of industries?How can you be profitable in construction in certain parts of America without illegal immigrant labor? If you only hire legals you will be put out of business by your much cheaper illegal hiring competitors
>>532906361Does it, quote the weightings and controls then . . . > It is assumed that nutrient removals from the soil are balanced by additions
>>532908600Harvey 2023 mass balance model https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344922006528 Debunks your 40% manure loss means vegan world is impossible cope. Even at MAX manure recycling and low feed inefficiency animal diets need 1 to 14 times the Nitrogen fertilizer of vegan for the same protein outputBecause animals piss away 80 to 90 percent of the plant nitrogen they eatStudies control for manure credits and the net is still massive savings40 % does not magically vanishes , you just need way less in the first place
>>532909672Does it? Quote the section which debunks it then or the weighings a d considerations then . . . .> It is assumed that nutrient removals from the soil are balanced by additionsAgain doesn't touch lack of land usage of vegans paying farmers taxpayer money to grow Christmas trees on the 1.2 billion hectares of unused grazing land, land grading, soil condition, climate, geology.You still haven't said who gets to have the water porridge gruel diet . . .I could go back through all the multi point comments you've ignored everything except working down to this magic land use calculation. Same as EVs, if you measure CEs from oil well to tailpipe it's worse than EVs from charger to tyre. And?Just clinging to fanciful generalised land usage accounting reports.1 to 14 times kek, I take it we will use the 14 times for the purposes of this arguement . . .
>>532910681>1 to 14 times kek, I take it we will use the 14 times for the purposes of this arguement . . .Doesn’t matter because it could be just 3 times and a global vegan food system would still work
>>532909672> Let's grow basedbean on all grade 3 land so if we have a lime supply shock we are automatically in a famine> Let's not even concern ourselves with energy cost and logistical impossibility> Ignore the rest of the worldOr is it corn and wheat protein regions for the plebs?Great retarded leap forward.
>>532911218Why did the price of eggs skyrocket last year in the United States? Disease spreading among chickens A vegan food system has a lower pandemic risk because it’s easier for diseases to jump from mammals like pigs to mammals like humans
>>532911173Wow, that's an interesting quote. I will have to change my perspective based on it!!You cannot grow 1kg of vegan protein on grade 7 grazing land. The "nitrogen requirement" for that is infinite because no amount of fertilizer will turn a rocky hillside into a onions or corn field.Just bullshit .ade you fanciful accounting calculations. Complete ignorance of actual farming practices and the complex multinational systems which make it possible which is at near capacity.Well except the 1.2 billion hectares of unused grazing land globally vegans have campaigned to grow Christmas trees on or pay farmers to do nothing or better yet tax farmers to do something to prove themselves right.
>>532911329> Let's reduce diversity to lessen the risk of supply shock> Just ignore the potash supply shock of 2022 which forced farmers to simply not plant cropsWorst argument you've made. You're a vegan, I'm an omnivore who eats a diet balanced based on market availability reality, not balanced based on my fantasy perfect diet.You want to expose the world to risk, I want people to get the best calories they can with the least amount of supply risk. You are against meat, I am not against onions and rather enjoy tofu and such products.
>>532911712Grazing land can be turned into parking lots
>>532912137Omnivores expose the world to a greater risk of pandemicsMeat eaters eat animals who have been fed multiple pounds of grain to make 1 pound of meat. Supply shocks affect omnivore food systems too
>>532912203Brilliant idea a car park on a rural hillside.Better than your vegan arguement to be fair.
>>532912389Better tell the teacher then.Just don't tell them that diversity = more risk or you think 100% of pastoral calorie input comes from grown crops> Across the entire U.S. livestock sector, approximately 7% to 15% of the total raw calories consumed by animals come from harvested crops (corn/onions), while 85% to 93% comes from grazing, forage, and non-edible "crop residues
>>532901441>fuck knows. probably satire, yes. but if you could rile up the usual suspects by this kind of meme, wouldn't you?LOOL I support this mein fren.
>>532913243Non edible crop residues is a fake termMany of those 85% are edible by humans
>>532909672>same protein outputNow account for plant protein being less digestible and less bioavailabe than meat, you malnourished, vitamin-deprived sóycuck. What's that? Brain not working too well from the lack of healthy fats?
>>532914354I eat lots of hemp seeds
>>532914261Ah, ok. It's not that they are used for animals and made up with residual crop material no buyer can be found except farmers. It's a fake term.How much of your diet is currently made up with crop residues like stalks and husks?
>>532896521>If you like insect so much why don't you marry one?Kek
>>532915269Whole basedbeans are edible
>>532915941>>532915269So y beans
>>532898134>AND I SAY KILL EM ALL
Has any industry that gets subsidies NOT been a shitshow of incompetence & inefficiency? I mean you'd have to be a failure in the first place to be bailed out by the government, so why do they bother wasting money keeping them on life support?
>>532913243It’s probably more like roughly 0 to 20 percent and closer to 0 percent for many types of farmed animals.The 85 percent statistic comes from a 2017 study which says 46% grass or leaves19% crop residues (straw, stover, husks, sugarcane tops8% fodder crops5% oilseed cakes ( like basedbean meal) 5 % other by products But this 86 percent figure is driven by ruminants like cows on pasture or mixed systems worldwide and lifetime diets for beef cattleIt does not apply to factory farmed animals which dominate developed world meat productionPoultry and pigs are the vast majority of factory farmed animals by number and meat output and 99 percent of usa chickens and 98 percent of pigs are in factory farms and their feed is almost exclusively corn basedbean meal and minor by-products from human edible crops and these are digestible and nutritious for humans Pigs and chickens cannot eat grass or rough residues well anywayFor cows at the end of their lives they are finished with a diet of almost all grain and grain by products edible to humans
>>532903627LELTRUST LE SCIENCE
>>532916039Maybe but you should not privatize the police
