Why are there no reliable engines anymore? Its all 1.6turbo engines that explode after 50000kilometers.What happend to the 90s reliability? Are carmanufacturers being told to make shitcars? Is it part of the plan?
>>533032570Lange hält, bringt kein Geld.
>>533032570Planned obsolescence, profit motive, the execution of a step towards totalitarian oppression where we are locked in a cage with invisible bars, subject to the decrees of madmen
>>533032570I have a 1990s 750iL (V12, 5.4L SOHC) and I have to say, the electrics are a disaster, but it ALWAYS starts. As long as it hasn't drained its batteries parked. 262000km and counting. Then again my Kangoo has been pretty ok so far as well, but it's newer and very fuckin simple.
>>533032570They do, youre just a wrenchlet toothpaste bro.
>>533032570If you buy a sturdy, reliable product, then you won't have to buy another one next year.Therefore products are made just good enough for you to buy but not good enough to last.
>>533032570>Is it part of the plan?yes, see answers above whytl;dr: jews
>>533032570If you're looking at it like a reliability/complexity ratio, modern cars are retardedly more reliable90s cars were marginally more reliable but like 5% of the complexity and features so no shitalso not politics
>>533033157This, even the shittiest of shitboxes go 100k with very little issue. Survivor bias is horrible in the arguments.
>>533032937Thats a great car, dudeYea just keep changing the oil + filter and those engines keep going
>>533032570Because fuck the 2nd hand poorfags lol. Replace your shitbox after the lease ends. Soon it will just switch over to permanent rent.
>>533033157Bullshit. All the 1.6turbos and 1.4 turbos from volvo, ford and vw detonate at exactly 50000km
>>533032937Got a 3rd gen Lexus gs and a 3rd generation Lexus Ls.i don't plan on buying another car for a very long time. Might get a bike this summer for shits and giggles
>>533032570I've been messing around with the idea of buying a "fun" car for shits and giggles and drove a W140 Mercedes S-Class a few months ago and was shocked by the build quality. It felt like an old German castle that would continue to exist for the next 500 years. Everything was so tight, heavy feeling, so polished, so well put together. Shit is 31 years old had 270,000+ miles on it and still felt more solid than my 2019 Lexus. Felt like you could crash it into a brick wall and only the wall would take any damage.
>>533032570I’ve been hearing the whole “they don’t make them like they used to” line for 30 years and it’s nonsense. In the ’90s people missed the ’80s, in the 2000s they missed the ’90s, in the 2010s they missed the 2000s… and the cycle just keeps repeating. There are good and bad cars now just like in the 90s
>>533033094I buy Mutt Tools
>>533032570In very simplistic terms:The government.
>>533033643Sounds like you already bought your last cars. I think the only way to kill those is to run them into something.
>>533032570I'm not sure, but it coincides with Obama's cash for clunkers program in the usa. that caused the used car market to get fucked and we lost innumerable classic and economical older vehicles, now your stuck paying 15k on loan for a used vehicle that's 25,000 miles away from catastrophic malfunction >Freedom, basically
>>533032570My 89 Ranger's engine makes 89hp as an inline 4. The same engine later made over 200hp from the factory with a turbo. I've heard it can get up to 300. Thing is, that's fine when you're in a vehicle with no crumple zones, air bags, or other heavy things you don't really need. The issue, is my truck weighs less than a modern Corolla. And that Corolla is now asking 150hp from a 1.5L inline 3. The valve covers will get pummeled by the pistons if the timing chain fucks up. The pressure is insane to give you performance, the turbo is basically already redlining. But they also shave them thin. What's the point in extra weight? Just look at the 1.3/1.5L Ford engines in the Edge/Escape. Their coolant channels are so thin they WILL leak into the cylinders and require an entire engine replacement. Much like modern CPUs, modern engines are no longer sloppy. You can't overclock a modern cpu for much extra performance. And you can't get much more power from a modern engine. They're already at the limit. This is so that your 2026 Ranger with a 10 gear transmission and a 2.0l engine can get the same fuel efficiency as my 89 Ranger with a 5 speed manual. Buy something old, that was made sloppily with huge tolerances. Something where enthusiasts bought it to overbore it and slap on turbos to get 2-5x more power. That is the engine overspecced and ready to fuck. Come home white man.
Ironically a car like that would costs twice as much
>>533032570Toyota still makes a reliable product. Although I haven't owned a Toyota newer than like 2012.
I have a pretty good theory about this (somewhat related to the competency crisis) and it basically boils down to the second generation engineers in these companies retiring about this time (late 90s to mid 2000s)
>>533032570I just bought a Ford Mondeo with 1,6 liter Ecoboost engine? How fucked am I?
>>533035382Fucked, thing is probably using lots of oil and its gonna start leaking soon, if it allready isnt.
>>533034058what government manufactures cars?
>>533035382>>533035589Its basically probably gonna explode the next time you start it
>>533032570Planned obsolescence is the logical end of all products produced by publicly traded corporations, because they have a fiduciary duty to maximize their shareholders profits. Without some kind of very intrusive and draconian oversight procedures, this will be literally everything in your life within the next couple of decades.
>>533035152It's mostly middle-aged Karens who constitute 80% of focus groups for corpos marketing research. OF COURSE the middle-aged Karen also out-earns literally everyone in existence thanks to DEI, so car makers take that market segment very seriously to the point where everything is built around them.
>>533035682lel I've heard it said that german engineering just means they've gotten it down to a science about how to make that epoxy break 3 days after your warranty expires
>>533032570Reliable small displacement turbo engines exist. 1.2 puretech 3 cyl from peugeot/opel/citroen will blown up after 12 months of ownership. The 1.3 M282 4 cyl used by nissan, small mercedes models and renaults are bulletproof pretty much. BMW's 1.5 B38 and VW's 1.5TSI are decent. You should judge small turbo engines on an engine by engine basis. Some are reliable, if they are reliable they are superior because fuel economy and torque.
>>533036090What about the passat 1.4?
>>533032570its called customer retention. you make the product just as durable as absolutely necessary & this timespan barely tolerable by the consumer. whats the point in making a thing so good your buyers never come back?my advice: buy military grade, when lives are on the line they cant afford to fuck around like that.
>>533036551VW 1.4 is ok. older chain ones broke, chain stretch, full engine rebuild, newer ones switched to a belt, not a wet belt. Small blown engines u have to do your homework before buying. But the reliable ones give you free fuel economy and free torque at low revs, torque and low revs is pretty much the only parameter that matters in a real world driving scenario. This is why when mutts drive euro cars with turbocharged 3 cylinder 1.2 and 135 horsepower are confused at how punchy the car feels. It has 300nm of torque at idle, all the power is available all the time
>>533032570Just get a naturally aspirated engine, change the oil often and you’re good. There are still plenty of new cars with NA engines. Even better just get a lightly used one with a NA engine. It’s not that hard faggot.
>>533036551koppel bij lage toeren. Everything else in a car is meaningless. horsepower is for niggers, it means nothing. fuel economy numbers are a meme too, every car is a pig if you trash it and frugal if you feather it. Small turbo engines give you the only thing that really matters in a real world driving scenario.
>>533032570Your fault for not getting a hilux
>>533037212> 3 cylinder 1.2 and 135 horsepower are confused at how punchy the car feels.Those engines are so gay. Good torque at low rpm but at 3500+ RPM they have no power so it’s pretty bad when you’re outside the city and overtaking.
The major problems I've had with my cars is shit that should never be in them to start with especially particulate filters. I've had a turbo fail from a fucking DPF too.
>>533037383it is hard in the netherlands, their tax system for cars is basically 105 grams of co2 you will pay until you hang yourself. 110 grams of co2 the state will hang you. They have to drive small turbos because NA engines generate too much CO2 and EVs depreciate 85% in 36 months.
>>533032570Yes it is part of a plan,They are making bad cars so that we,wageslaves,can buy more cars which will return to (((billionares as profit)))
>>533033828Ryobi kicks the crap out of dewalt and Milwaukee
>>533037621there is not overtaking here, the speed limit is 110, there's a camera every 700 meters you go 113 the state will bankrupt you. hence my real world comment, in the real world you want torque at low revs, nothing else is 'usable'
>>533032570
What about a GL 550 V8?
>>533034622That 2.3L ranger engine is a dog. I had one. That motor originally was borrowed from the Ford Pinto. The problem with those old Rangers it the rust ate them 25 years ago. My 2012 Ford Fusion has rust on the wheel well and on the trunk lid. Mine is in excellent shape--ive seen some around town with holes in the rockers from rust.
>>533032570Ask youself anon.When did they export the production of these engines to the Third World?
>>533032570Get Jap car. Theyre the best. I have a '96 Suzuki Jimny and its the best thing Ive ever driven.
>>533037989Fiats have more road time than those
The 90s engines in most cases were the final form of some 60s engine with 90s electronics. That would be why they were reliable.
>>533037506Yea i dotn care about horses. I just want a chill car with an engine and or gearbox that doesnt grenade itself after 30000km
>>533032922The modern technocratic state
>>533038090Damn that looks pristine. That's not the original coat I'm guessing?
>>533038022I mean, most volkswagen engines are designed and built in germany. Its designflaws, wrong piston rings that make the engine use lots of oil and explodes when you are in spain on a camping with your family
>>533032570Any TDI is reliable it's the components around it that are shit. DPF and EGR ruin turbo. Blocked DPF etc choke engine and kill it. If you cut out all the CO2 shit a TDi will go 500 thousand KM or more. I've seen gutted VAG cars no DPF or EGR etc go 700 thousand KM. Point is the EU amd matrix in general does not want you to have free movement hence the shittification of cars.
>>533038501And hans doesnt accept tikkies
>>533038568>Point is the EU amd matrix in general does not want you to have free movement hence the shittification of cars.This is my feeling aswellThey allready tax diesel to the extreme. While diesel engines are the strongest of all
I drive an '85 corolla hatch and it's a perfect car
>>533032570Environmental regulations require that cars burn less fuel. In order to achieve the level of power they need to function normally, they have to build turbo engines that will explode from the constant overpressure.
>>533032570Its not just cars. Its literally everything, TVs, appliances, tools, etc. You cannot buy nice things anymore.
>>533037903its too bad none of you have guns to take those fkn things out
>>533038090jap cars are a pain the ass to take apart and you need tiny nip hands to get into places
>>533040442I dont like the seats in japcars. Germans make great seats and volvo too
>>533032570I need to see some proof here. show the numbers. show the statistics. I'm not going to believe some rando on the internet. also if your car is breaking down it's because you don't maintain it. most of you fuckers don't know you have to service your battery every couple of months. probably never change your oil and generally drive your cars in to the ground.
>>533034622I too came to this conclusion and wound the clock back to only fucking with big, N/A 6 or 8 cylinder vehicles that are barely breaking a sweat.The increased fuel costs are less than the maintenance costs on highly strung modern 3/4 cylinder engines.>spend maybe another $1,000 a year on gas, spread evenly>avoid a $3,000 repair bill every 3 years all at onceThis was a hard lesson for me to learn too, I used to drive 200+ hp hatchbacks and coupes with 1600-2L engines exclusively.
>>533033756Nah. Current EU regulation prevent manufacturers from building an engine like the 1.9 TDI from VW. That's why they had to stop making it, because of Euro5. A DPF replacement on a modern diesel engine can cost 3000 euros to replace and by that time it could be half of the market value of the car.
>>533039647>>533032570member when cars were just linear in design instead of having like 40 different curves.
>>533039647only with the hormuz crisis not only would you need a more fuel efficient modern car but switch to chinese evs outright.
>>533039647Awesome car but, how does it rust in canada? Those would melt away in the lower lands of the colgate
>>533032570better question is why isn't everyone flying helicopters, NO ROADS NEEDED, GET TO PLACES SHIT TON FASTER, IF EVERYONE HAD ONE THEY WOULD BE SAFE AS FUCK TO FLY, BECAUSE BETA TESTERS WOULD BE LONG DEAD BY NOW.ALSO NO BULLSHIT ABOUT ENTERING ANOTHER COUNTRYFLYING IS LITERALLY THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR COMMUTE PROBLEMS, JUST LET CHINA MANUFACTURE THE FUCKING THING UNTIL IT COSTS SHIT ALL TO PRODUCE.
>>533040796>you have to service your sealed lead-acid battery every few months K
fucking car niggers still thinking their commuting device is good.need to make flying so cheap that it starts to annoy rich people, trust me.
>>533041607Its true its a waste of money, but its fun to go places without having to deal with public transports timetable
>>533032768stop speaking like a nigger
Manufacturing done in third world countriesEPA and Government safety regulationsBailouts
>>533032768Because consumers are genuine retards?
>>533041477listen skippy... there is a 90% chance your car battery is not sealed and not maintenance free. most people don't know what kind of battery they have. if you can open the cells or they have caps it needs to be serviced. why don't you go look at your car... if you have one.
>>533032570All car manufacturers have no interest in making reliable cars that will last 20 years, even Toyota and Honda have gone the way of planned obsolescence.They want you buying a new car every 3-5 years. You can see which is the obviously better business model. Even if a car lasted 20 years, you're not gonna be willing to pay 100k for it. But your retarded ass will pay 100k+ over 20 years for the privilege to own a plastic piece of shit car where issues start surfacing within 3 years.
>>533032570My last domestic, American made car, hit 300,000 miles.My current domestic, American made car, has 140,000 miles.??????Just buy American bro.
>>533034058/thread
>>533032570BECAUSE PEDOPHILE KIKES WANT MOOOOREEEEE MOOOOONEEYYYYYYthat's literally the answer to the vast vast majority of civilization's ills. a bunch of greedy little fucking goblin people want to fuck you over and get paid for it.
>>533041061People used to understand body lines and proportions. It's all gone now. >>533041339Rust is terrible here. Mine has a few spots that aren't great but I will slowly fix it.
>>533037186In our capitalist country we subsidize farmers to produce a surplus of food for national security.
>>533032570my 2001 dodge dakota has over 240k miles on it when I sold it (3 years ago ) to some guy who is still driving it. my 2015 subaru is 11 years old, it has only had 2 minor oil leaks (same for my wifes).everyone I know who's cars fall apart are the ones who don't change the oil. don't keep up with maintenance.I fix curb find lawn equipment that people abused by not changing oil, not draining the gas in the winter, don't change air filters, and leave their equipment out in the open.most stuff I find just need basic maintenance to get running but idiots would rather spend $200 or $300 on a new mower than keep their equipment out of the elements, maintain it, and service it properly. but lets blame the manufacturers.
>>533042852your American car is made in canada or japan. my japanese car is made in America.
You can't expect the same reliability from an engine that produces the same HP with half the displacement as it did back then.
>>533037602Those are too expensive here and also diesel so you get mandatory raped at taxday
>>533032570I have a car made in this country that has a small engine and is over 15 years old. Still runs great. I think the manufacturer makes a big difference because the model I own breaks down much slower because its manufactured in Canada rather than the USA. Even though we have a fuck load of snow and salt here which rusts the bottom if you dont take care of that.
Enshittification
>>533043411I like subaru, theyre sold at a premium here thoughbeit
>>533037186>my advice: buy military grade, when lives are on the line they cant afford to fuck around like that.Military grade is usually 2 tiers under civilian product, military can't not buy your product so it doesn't matter if it start falling apart in the factory.Infrared cameras used to be exception but going by current interception rate for missiles I'm not so sure about it.
>>533035607The government says what you can produce and what kind of emissions regulations it must meet and what safety regulations it must uphold. Your response to my statement shows you have little history or knowledge invested in the subject. See malaise era. See post 2003 diesel eras. Lots of information out there that shows manufacturers struggle when unrealistic expectations are imposed on them in addition to making a competitive product.
>>533032570Put a half sized engine in a car that is 25% larger. Of course they are going to fail. They are overworked.
>>533033709I agree, the older cars are tanks engine wise. On safety the new ones win easy.Older engines just dont die. I have an old volvo 240 from 86 and the engine still works. Like 400.000 km on the clock. 2.3 inline 4 rearwheeldrive. The fucking swedish knew how to build good shit
>>533032570Other priorities:> Emissions> Noise> Power (for spec sheet)> Fuel consumption (this and power really pushes for high boosts and small engines and stuff, probably not good for reliability)> Reoccuring revenue (people probably don't want stuff to break, but they do make money maintaining it)New engines can also last that long. Modern cars are just so difficult to maintain that it is not worth doing beyond some point (so many things that can go wrong, hard to maintain yourself due to electronic lockouts, expensive spare parts, electronics can often only be replaced: no fixing).Old taxis often have that many miles I think. (Picrel generation). It obviously takes a while for that milage to be reached (so new cars aren't there yet).
not "car"gas chamber. It's obvious.The gas chamber exhaust from that skiing trip won't go away in the great great great grand children's life times.
>>533032570Just buy a Toyota. I have no clue why they aren't the only vehicles on the road anymore. Nobody else knows how to make a car that lasts anymore. Even brand new Toyotas can easily last to 200k+ with regular maintenance. Maybe stop being euroshit. Sorry, but the west has sucked ass at making reliable cars for 30+ years now. The only exception I can think of are some late 90s/mid 2000s Buicks. The rest are all garbage
>>533045520I might, but toyotas are so fucking boring and ugly thougbeit. I guess im gonna eat some potatoes while i ponder what to do
>>533032570They were under stressed and ran primitive fuel injection that would allow them to run longer poorly. For Example, a 1993 5.0 Mustang GT was rated at 225 HP and 300TQ. My 2018 2.0 turbo Focus ST is rated at 252 HP and 270 TQ. I know full well that if it makes it to 200k it will be pretty tired while the Mustang (if the Body didn't rot away) will chug along to 300k. Its give and take.
>>533045260The last of the great modern environmental myths is that "cars cause smog". This has an extreme impact on all of us in that the cost of manufacturing cars has risen to the point that many cars cost more than the cost of a home.Ozone in the lower atmosphere is the cause of smog. This ozone is formed primarily by the decay of tritium (by beta particle emission= high velocity electrons) in the atmosphere, and by lightning and electrical discharges such as corona on electrical high-tension transmission lines. This energetic electron is captured by an ordinary oxygen molecule (O2), which cannot exist as a stable molecule with an extra electron, and so splits into two very reactive oxygen atoms ("nascent" oxygen). These two reactive oxygen atoms each combines instantaeously with another normal molecule of oxygen to form two new molecules of ozone (O3). The only other source of ozone is very short wave UV, and the amount we receive from the sun doesn't penetrate to sea level (thanks to the ozone in the upper stratosphere). Those old-fashioned toilet seat sterilizers that you occasionally run across in public restrooms produce a detectable amount of ozone, as you may remember if you ever ran across one. They aren't as common nowadays as they once were.
>>533045260In real terms the smog-induction is primarily and almost entirely dependent upon the presence of tritium which is produced in large quantity by nuclear activity. Almost all reactors use either heavy water- deuterium oxide (which produces the most tritium, by capture of a single neutron), or ordinary water (requires the capture of 2 neutrons, first to make deuterium, then to produce tritium from the deuterium) to enclose and absorb the neutrons escaping from the reactor. Also the storage of radioactive waste is done in pools of water. In addition to all this, the military makes tritium on purpose to use in "hydrogen" fusion bombs. All this tritium is chemically the same as hydrogen and escapes into the atmosphere quite easily. Usually the beta particle is of no concern, since it doesn't cause the sort of health damage that alpha particles, gamma rays and neutrons cause. Most of the concern with nuclear radiation is connected with gamma rays and neutrons.There is absolutely NO way that ozone can be generated by any chemical or long-wave (visible) light-mediated reaction, and certainly not by any of the purported means the smog-control advocates present. Even the commercial generation of ozone for industrial purposes (due to its powerful oxidizing properties), must be done by bombarding oxygen with high-speed electrons.
>>533032570Flat 6 was the last decent engine
Of course the explosion of bombs, even underground ones, produces the most tritium, (and therefore ozone) and does so all at once. The most severe smog event in history occurred immediately after the only nuclear explosion ever to take place in the water, just after WW II. Almost every one has seen the aerial photographs of all the war ships in the harbour and the monstrous column of water and it's huge mushroom cloud. Almost immediately afterwards the burning of diesel fuel in "smudge pots" in the California orange groves was outlawed. The smoke was one of the most economical ways to prevent frost in the winters, and the smoke always dissipated by a few hours after sunrise. Until, that is, the water drop bomb test. I can verify this personally, as I lived within a few blocks of the orange groves in central Los Angeles during WW II (Park LaBrea).To this day the intensity of a smog event is measured by the amount of ozone present in the air at the surface. It is known as the "Ozone Number"
For the convenience of distracting people from the real cause of smog by the nuclear industry (and the military), we now have to pay almost as much for a new car as for a house. And you can't live in a car - not to mention that, unlike a piece of real estate, it is a very poor investment.In reality ALL of man's hydrocarbon emissions total only about 4% of the total that is found in the air, most of which comes from plantlife, with some from oil seeps and volcanism. To burden us with a technology which in reality benefits slightly only those in cities (where there are few plants, so most hydrocarbons come from human activities) and greatly those in the nuclear industry (and people are placed in many dangers by this very dangerous enterprise), is a massive act of folly.
>>533032570Car companies realized they make more money selling you shitboxes off the lot.Then they realized they can make even more money if they basically make it impossible for independent mechanics to operate, hence the rise of dealerships doing all the work on your car. Oh and since they're the only dealership potentially around in your area, your car will be in the shop for two weeks instead of two business days since there's say one Ford dealership now for an entire county.It's also part of a plan to basically price the middle class out of existence all the while and reduce us to serfdom.Your grandchildren are going to be worse off than serfs in the future if something drastic isn't done, I must tell you.It's either kill them all now and try something else or the guys who own all the chain stores are going to have coats of arms and have the legal right to take your daughters' virginity.
>>533037186The rise of shabbos goyim and their consequences.There was a time when people just made good products, took pride in that and not everyone was deranged enough to think you should be a fucking millionaire selling shoes.Our moral degradation is to blame for almost everything wrong with the White world.
>>533043371>People used to understand body lines and proportions. It's all gone now.its more like anti masculine curviness we have everyhwere now, such bmw or vw with clear lines inspires resolutness instead of feminine ambiguity. shar edges are dangerous & antisemitic.
>>533041415>imagines niggers and female drivers trying to fly helicoptersYeah, no.
>>533047598>>533045260the balloons in that image say"HAVE A CHOKING GOOD TIME!"
>>533048550Driving a golf 1 is basically mansplaining to a woman
>>533032570In the late 80s they found out that most cars being rusted through and all fucked up at scrapyards had perfectly working engines. The managerial class concluded that when the engine of a car with an average lifespan of 15 years (give or take) is still in perfect condition that must mean there are still some ways to save money on that. So they started using lesser quality components in bearings, seals all that metalurgy. So now you have engines that give up when the rest of the car gives up. It is to maximize profits.
>>533032570Look at the price of a 90s car, more than some houses at the time
>>533035152>I have a pretty good theory about this (somewhat related to the competency crisis) and it basically boils down to the second generation engineers in these companies retiring about this time (late 90s to mid 2000s)In the 1990s the european car industry entered into "cooperations" with the american car industry which were basically sabotages from the american side. The executives were bribed, the euro companies were americanized similar to how Mcdonnell-douglas took over Boeing and the quality imploded. Euros started to buy more japanese and korean cars.
>>533032768I've heard they call planned obdulescense estimated usage now so the people won't notice.
>>533051758> The managerial class concluded that when the engine of a car with an average lifespan of 15 years (give or take) is still in perfect condition that must mean there are still some ways to save money on that.Makes sense i guess. No more pride in the brand itself from manufacturers..Wouldnt be al this negative news about new shit engines change their ways? Do they have no shame?
>>533034298The people behind cars for clunkers now do cars for kidsThose people are lakewood nj heebsI would deliver propane to this ski resort they bought and turned into a heeb get away... its just a scam and its one of the way heebs pay for their growing community
>>533052027This is a known and proven fact. The engines from cars of the 90s are the highest quality available. In the early 2000s it went downhill. Most manufacturers don't care because the cars are mostly sold to leasing companies. So they only have to hold as long as the average leasing contract (3 years ca.) what happens after that doesn't matter.
>>533032937That's basically just run in for a Toyota Corolla
>>533052339Modern Jap cars are as good as ever. Euro cars shit themselves because they try too hard to push the limits and spare parts are too complex
>>533052027Genuine pride in a product comes from creating a quality product. Quality products last too long and aren't compatible with mass production; mass production relies on cheaply manufactured goods that will reliably be unreliable thus creating further demand to continue the mass production of it. Manufacturers (and other large companies for that matter) understand now that it's better to work with each other to maximize profits rather than compete with each other to get market share. So to answer your question, no, they have no shame, only a fiduciary responsibility to create infinite growth to satisfy shareholders at the cost of absolutely everything.
>>533032570Short answer: jewsLong answer: jews and their shabbos goyim
>>533032570*AHEM*
>>533052981Anyone who likes BMWs simply isn't a car guy
>>533032570((1983)) Lincoln Town Car (1,300,000+ miles): Owned by Chet Belisle; driven across the US regularly.
1979 Volvo 245 GL (1,630,000+ miles
you are a dumbassi bought a 2019 corrolla in 2019and i never had a problem with it
>>533053520Under 100k Miles on the sexual history of dick?
I drive thisdownsides:>premium fuel>eats a lot>slow as fuckupsides:everything elsebased?
>>533053595it has 50k miles
>>533032570Emission regulations basically.
>>533032570It's environmentally friendly to make things that speedrun to the dump. It's also antisemitic to question this.
>>533032570stocks
>>533053838V6, do the valves become carbon raped on that model?
>>533053110It just sounds like you're poor. No other brand has the level of love and dedication that BMW owners show and for good reason. That's why we have events like BimmerInvasion and you don't have shit.
>>533054401I dont think that one has direct injection, so no carbon buildup.
>>533054401I haven't had any problems
>>533032570I genuinely don't understand this talking point. I had a 2008 Toyota Yaris I bought at 100k miles and drove it until 217k without a single part replacement, repair, or maintenance beyond the scheduled oil and lube. I then sold it to a chick who then probably drove it another 50k before selling it years later. This kind of reliability WITHOUT constant maintenance tinkering is essentially magic compared to 20th century vehicles. You want to spend your entire weekend fuckin timing your cylinders and adjusting your carburator?
China keeps adding slightly more tin and lead to the “steel”
>>533032570Why make reliable engines that last a lifetime when they can make dog shit that falls apart as soon as the warranty ends and then you have to pay them for another car? This is the mindset behind literally everything now.
>>533035682>leftists talk about "planned obsolescence" as if it wasn't something briefly considered by a small segment of industry tycoons nearly a century ago>meanwhile modern LED lightbulbs are effectively immortal, companies go under if they become known for unreliable products, and consumers constantly shift their preferences towards whoever builds the longest-lasting product for the cheapest price
My old brick is immortal. Basic maintenance and it just runs, all year, everyday. I refuse modern cars and will never own one.
>>533033321>>533033157theyre reliable short-term, but unreliable long-termwhereas previously they were unreliable short-term, but reliable long-term
>>533054987>LEDs are immortalThen you woke up
I have a coyote mustang and a coyote f150Last cars ill ever need
>>533054987cant wait to go buy the 5th rice cooker ive had to buy because theres no Sears or Black and Decker rice cookers sold anywhere, and my options are chink shit or chink shit
>>533054470Lower your tone, we have the oldest car fleet in the developed world and the highest car ownership per capita in the world. We know cars and how to keep them running
>>533032937>Kangoojust got a 12 kangoo, really like it
>>533054772Guarantee she never changed the oil
> *5.0L V8 Coyote exists in your path*
>>533055212I hate the look of the mustangs but that motor really is the last great motor on the market
>>533032570My '19 Prius has 165,000 miles. Runs perfectly
need to link myself something >>>/o/
>>533032570At least there's still the mighty TB48 being produced in Moroccohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/2QHql0AfZz8?feature=share
>>533055137Its a fucking tank, sven, and rearwheel drive. Is it carb or injection?
>>533032570A lot of it just comes from short-term corner cutting. Lower quality materials, reduced number of parts, thinner construction, adding turbos to tiny engines to run them higher. I'm sure there is some strategic flaws added here and there in some cases but they have to run a fine line between breaking down after warranty and being subject to a billion dollar recall.
>>533032570>Why dont they make cars with reliable engines like in the 90sBecause "government" employees won't let them and for some reason car companies don't tell the "government" employees to bugger off.
>>533032570Test
>>533055794Carb. It's the 2.3 B230. Best engine to ever come out of Sweden.
>>533056508Those are great. Hows the rust on the 740?
>>533055333This is a stupidity problem, not a functional one. Somehow, some way, you're misusing the product but you're too retarded to realize it. I've had 1 rice cooker I bought 10 years ago and it's never had a hiccup. I can't even remember the last time I had an electronic item fail on me. Right now I'm laying in bed typing on a laptop I bought 5 years ago and it's sitting on top of a $20 cooling fan pad I bought 7 years ago.
>>533055154If they are unreliable short term doesn’t that make them unreliable in any sense?
>>533056950Depends on the year. The earlier 740's had kinda shit rust proofing. Mine a later model (in fact the GLE is supposed to have the B230E with the mechanical Bosch K-Jetronic fuel injection but the engine was swapped by Volvo by order from the OG owner after just two years for unknown reasons) so it has the beefy undercoating and panel protection. I just wash it every two weeks in the winter. Also helps that my part of the country don't use salt on the roads.
>>533032570The morally correct thing to do would be to make "something that drives." As simple and cheap as possible and capable of hitting maybe 70mph. The modern Model T, Lada, or Trabant. Everyone would want one, but they wouldn't meet (((regulations))) and would cost 1000$ so it wouldn't need a (((payment plan))]
>>533057381Wow, so the guy put in an older engine? Is it automatic? Aw70?
>>533057381My rusted 240 has the b230a engine, its the most basic engine version. It has a leaking headgasket, is it worth it to replace the headgasket and just save the engine? How easy are these engines to find in sweden?The 240 body will go to the wreckingyard soon, but maybe i want to keep the engine to repair it
>>533057533Car makers actually don't want payment plans. If everyone bought cars for cash, that would cut out a massive middleman with having to deal with banks and the fees associated with them, having to fuck with lost/stalled money from repossessions and accident claims, collections agencies taking a big cut of lost monies, losing money on salesman commissions from vehicles being lost from the aforementioned reasons, etc. The reason cars are so fuckin expensive and haven't fallen in price is because of emissions, CAFE regulations, ludicrous safety standards, and literal years of government red tape to bring a new vehicle to market (costing tens of millions of dollars). Ford could probably produce and sell an F-150 for like $8000 and make a good profit on it if it weren't for sniveling busy-body bureaucrats listening to the retarded whims of women and effeminate men.
>>533032570Frens, I drive a car called w140 and it has a diesel motor called oil motor om603. She can make up to 500hp. I get 27 mpg.
>>533057533Payments are a big thing, so much money. In europe leasing is pretty big, same shit, monthly payment and youll nevr really own the car
>>5330575425 speed manual with electronic overdrive. Not really an older engine, it was still being put in 740's at the time its just that the GLE (Grand Luxe Executive/Electronic) is a "luxury" badge version of the 740. You had the base model GL, the fancy GLE, sportier GLT (Grand Luxe Touring) and finally the most legendary Turbo. Pretty much all of them were being made side by side. And it wasn't unusual for customers to custom order their car with "non accurate" specs for the badge. More uncommon to have the engine swapped later though. My guess is some kinda failure caused it and the dude wanted the old faithful put in. >It has a leaking headgasket, is it worth it to replace the headgasket and just save the engine? How easy are these engines to find in sweden?Speaking from Sweden I'd say yes, It's a fairly simple weekend job. But here you can find both used and new parts pretty much everywhere. Volvo made such a huge amount of everything that we're talking €300-400 for a complete and confirmed working b230a engine at the local scrapyard. Usually with the trans included.
>>533032570Why We Can't Have Small Trucks Anymore - Blame the EPAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI3nqrHEXMThis is the reasons American trucks got bigger but the engines got smaller, but more powerful, making them a ticking time bomb for failure.
>>533032570japs still do
>>533032570Posts 3.5 BMW V8, why aren’t cars reliable like they used to be
>>533056508they are banning these everywhere
>>533032570>Its all 1.6turbo engines that explode after 50000kilometers.The main problem with these under 2 liter turbo engines in America is the Turbos needing to be replaced every year or so.
>>533059011Not here. Sweden even removed all incentives to buy EV's and highly recommend people to drive older cars by making any vehicle older than 30 years old >tax free >cheaper to insure >only need inspection every two years (never when it's 50+ years old) And so on.
>>533032937>>533055388WTF lmao fucking kangoo brothers ITT.I bought one there three years ago with the clio engine and it's been an absolute gem of a car. Literally nothing but servicing once a year and once you take out the seats you have a proper van.
>>533059284but I thought sweden was the most cucked and gay nation on earth? did /pol/ lie to me?
>>533059009Er, 3.0 V8, with the infamous Nikasel melting cylinder bores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M60
Greatest car in historyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Camry_(XV30)
>>533059519They usually do yeah. Let me ask you this, have /pol/ even bothered mentioning any of this? >https://www.thelocal.se/20260223/sweden-moves-forward-with-proposal-to-restrict-benefits-for-immigrants>https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/52750/sweden-to-make-it-harder-for-noneuropean-migrants-to-claim-benefits>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown>https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/07/swedens-immigration-stance-has-changed-radically-over-the-last-decade.html>https://www.government.se/press-releases/2024/08/sweden-has-more-emigrants-than-immigrants-for-the-first-time-in-half-a-century/No? Of course not.
>>533032570I hit 200.000km last month, how much more can I get out of him?>1.4 tsi 160hp
>>533059999based news, hope will be enough to undo the damage
>>533058204You're stupid.Car manufacturers make more money with shit like Ford Motor Credit than they would make selling every car they make at MSRP.
>>533057198no, they had minor, fixable problems, rather than major, lifetime-ending problems, the damage to repair were small costs rather than more than it is to just get a new/used car. generally speaking.so theres a horseshoe effect that happened over time in the production of the automobile, from unplanned obsolescence due to early design flaws and increasing mechanical quality, to peak vehicle design, to if we dont find a way to sell more cars to people who already own our cars our car company is going to go out of business
>>533032570Who cares. Buy an electric and never look back
>>533056998>5 years>7 years>10 yearshit me up in another 20 years anonhow many tv's have you owned?monitors?dvd players?house fans?tiny little heaters?headphones? how many headphones have you purchased?youre clearly trolling
>>533061405I've owned bunches of those, and none of them ever broke or failed beyond a simple fix. The only reason I ever bought new ones was because I wanted something newer/different. I'm a business owner, and I watch my employees. They abuse equipment without realizing it because they're average people, and average people are fucking retarded just like you. You'll pull on stuck handles until they snap, you'll cover heat exhaust vents then complain when components melt, you'll ignore irregular equipment sounds and keep using them until the loose part breaks. I've seen it all.
>>533033756Same, but have you considered that things have in fact gotten worse with with each passing decade? Here's another example:>I've been hearing the whole "cost of living is too expensive” line for 30 years and it’s nonsense. In the ’90s people missed the ’80s, in the 2000s they missed the ’90s, in the 2010s they missed the 2000s… and the cycle just keeps repeating
>>533032937lots of kangoo master race chads ITT
>>533062886>im a materialist>heres why im better than youi dont think thats the own you think it is anonyoure like a woman bragging about her designer purse
>>533054470Lol and BMW fucking hates their owners. They barely make anything enthusiast oriented anymore, when they do they try to rape the fuck out of anyone ordering it. They literally make the whole brand intentionally targeted to be leased; no coincidence they have a lease rate more than double domestic brands. Most of their slop in production is AWD and slushbox. I bought one years ago, newest and lowest mileage car I've ever owned. Babied it, full synthetic ~2x as often as the recommended interval with OE filter every time, changed all the "lifetime" fluids and filters at least every 50k... Totally seized engine barely over 100k miles. That's after several expensive repairs including the timing set (unrelated to the final failure.) I can't wait to drop a junkyard engine in it and sell it to some other poor shmuck. I regret trading the 270k mile focus on it, that would probably still be runningMeanwhile I'm back to dailying my 32 year old YJ and this winter going to finally give my 340k mile OBS powerstroke the overhaul it deserves. Enjoy your rental anon, hopefully you aren't too poor for the heated seat subscription.
>>533032570>non straight 6 or V8 BMW>reliable
>>533038902Diesel has real uses as all machinery runs on it, which is why the population worldwide is conditioned to use surplus goysolin
>>533061216basic maintenance is not a repair
>>533032570>What happend to the 90s reliability?WTF are you talking about? You literally don't see cars broken down on the side of the road anymore. My '11 Scion (202k miles), '13 Toyota (160k miles) and '19 Honda (70k miles) have had no engine problems. My complaints. Changing the brakes too much on the Scion. Have to change one of the head lights ever 6 months on my Toyota. If anyone knows why please help. My '94 Toyota engine blew at 120k miles. My '01 Ford couldn't run 4 months without leaving stranded somewhere. But I will say that car taught me a lot about the mechanics of a car. I'm considering buying my 4th car soon because I want a (don't laugh) Prius Plug-in Hybrid. I will probably get rid of the Scion sadly.
>>533032922Cars are way better now in terms of performance. It's just that big plastic monstrosity they put on top of the chassis that is all gay looking
>>533065830Turn your light off before you stop the engine
>>533065959Seriously? Is it that simple?
>>533032570I have a 2015 Nissan versa with 108k and they are reliable to 250k-300k as long as you don't get the cvt transmission, those only last 50k. Mines a 5 speed.
>>533066094Could also be lower voltage drop in that lights harness, but the harsh vibrations from the stopping are not gentle on glowing filament. my conclusion stems ftom suspecting most rubber parts are shot in a car with halogen bulbs in 2026
>>533032922>Planned obsolescence, profit motive,This, also Capitalist Monopolies. >>533035682>Planned obsolescence is the logical end of all products produced by publicly traded corporations,That are Monopolies. >or Duopolies , 2 companies control the market - >Ford, Gm>google , ms -search>google , apple - smartphones>coca cola, pepsi
>>533064241Non-sequiter. Try engaging with the content of the post next time.
>>533032570>Why dont they make cars with reliable engines like in the 90s1: Government regulations demanding more and more fuel efficiency and better emissions lead to engines that are over complicated and unreliable.2: Designed obsolescence. Making a car that lasts for 50 years isn't as profitable as making one that grenades itself after 10 years.
>>533032768Wir sprechen zumindest Deutsch.
>>533032570I finally make enough to be able to afford one of my 90s-2000s dream cars. And then every fucking shitfaced cartuber made videos about how awesome all the cars i like are and now thetve all gone up in price 200%>997.2 carrera s>nope and cant even find them in yellow with stick for under 70k even though theyre 20 fucking years old and should cost $35k>ferrari 355>cost $75k in 2009 for 5k mile examples>cost $65k in 2015 for 7k mile examples>cost $180k now for 17k mile examples>lambo diablo roadster>100k in 2005>90k in 2010>300k+ nowFucking despise cartubers like you cant even believe
>>533059999Common sense getting rediscovered in modern age? We are close to that happening.
>>533032570Jews
>>533067548>>997.2 carrera sget one thats a targa then, theyre under 40K, and just get it painted>ferrari anything being cheap, ever>the finnicky shittier v8 512 that supposedly was supposed to have easier maintenance but its actually just more prone to fires>diablo roadsterthose are really rareand diablos are already "the better countach"
>>533032570>no reliable enginesTOYOTACOROLLA(and matrix)Also it's because selling you one car+parts isn't as profitable as lots of cars+subscriptions+selling your data.
>>533044705>>533053412>>533055137these guys get it. hit the boost kid
>>533032570building something that doesn't need to be replaced breaks capitalismyou must consoom at faster and faster rates to keep the game of musical chairs goingbut this is the best system we've ever created and can't be improved upon in any way and any replacement would literally fuck your mom to death
>>533039647I saw one of these the other day. Not a lot of these in my province so maybe it was you, homie.
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>>533032570>90s reliabilityAre you high?
>>533033157>buy 2026 car>drive for 2 months>transmission failslol so reliable
>>533073893No no no. It will brick itself during an update before that ever happens
