If atheists believe there is no point to life why are they so militant about their beliefs
Every atheist I've ever met has been an obnoxiously bitter, angry, sadsack narcissist.
>>533054303i dont think athiest believe there is no point to life, just simply that there isnt an afterlife. even if nothing comes next, we should still act in ways that are conducive to human well being while we're here.
Because they're homosexuals
>>533054303They have to make you not believe in anything to justify their not believing.
>>533054303Yeah, because your problem is with atheists and not with anyone with a verbatim floppy with your same exact beliefs up his arsehole.
meanwhile the point of christianity is to end up in a place with even more niggers
>>533054455Why
>>533054303>heavily jewish media telling you there is nothing after deathJust because they want you to believe that doesnt mean you have too. Dont descend into sheol
>>533054303The reason they are so mentally unstable is because they can't reconcile that belief in nothingness. Maybe they think they are okay with it consciously, but it eats away at them.If you truly believed there was nothing else, you would do whatever you wanted. You would take whatever you wanted. You would have no obligation to anyone but your own immediate gain.
>>533054303Not believing man made fairy tales is not the same as believing there is no point to life.
>>533054303Can we havf the talk? You're some nigger who believes gods write books with precise instructions to participate in a game show with fabulous rewards. Can you rethink?
>>533054303because we are sick of seeing people push good morals, rules and laws on others, all while survival of the fittest and greed runs society.
>>533054872>you would do whatever you wanted. You would take whatever you wanted. You would have no obligation to anyoneWhy are theists like this?
>>533054777Because some people just want to help the world bloom
Stupid people hate the truth
>>533054303Somebody who is vocally, militantly an atheist is probably not motivated to do so just because they're that passionate about the theological argument
>>533054303Because they really want you to be as miserable and helpless as they are.
>>533054569Who is this from?
>>533054303I don't know why they don't kill themselves if they're really atheist. Most atheists are truly just hedonistic secular materialists. Basically Satan worshippers.
>>533054974> cares for others for no reasonAren't you supposed to be indifferent towards the fate of others when they don't have a point of existing in the first place?
>>533054455I don't think mutilating kiddie genitals because pedophiles believe Talmud saying their souls were coded into wrong flesh computer is acting in ways that are conducive to human well bein
of there is nothing in the end God gives me the strength to accept it, come what maybetter than being a degenerate, nihilistic atheist
>>533054418this matches my experience
>>533054303Because they see how dumb and self suicidal you are by worshipping a Jew religion that you have to jump over hoops and ladders to try to explain how you’re not a total kike dick sucker
>>533054455>we should still act in ways that are conducive to human well being while we're herebecause why?
>>533055615Remember only jews use the word kike, I will not descend into sheol
>>533054455if there is nothing but oblivion, Jesus is there too and always has beeneveryone faces it in their own way but all will meet that same endthere is beauty in life and death and that is God's way
>>533055653Because it is the right thing to do.
>>533055357> retarded non sequiturAren't Germans supposed to be smart?
>>533054303>why are they so militant about their beliefsbecause this is it.you don't get paradise after spending your time here being a slave like you guys seem to believe.
>>533055906paradise is within
>>533054974Complete the circle of life and become fertilizer then you soulless, hedonistic abstract.
>>533055935How very jewish of you
>>533055653>>533055357Timelike infinity. And until you realize that's a complete answer to your question, you're not ready. There are things larger than God. Obviously. Reality exists as a fractal. I eat God. God eats me. God is eaten. There is no God. There is no me. I am God. I eat myself.
>>533054455Feeding atheist redditors into woodchippers is conducive to human well being.
>>533056076Luke 17:21
>>533055730My grandma came directly from Germany after ww2 and died with Nazi memorabilia in her house nice try tho. Imagine calling someone a Jew because they don’t worship a Jew religion kekkekek. I’ll worship my ancestors trees before I worship any kike Hahha
>>533055480But mutilating their genitals because of some bible story is?At least tranny shit you can argue against logically.
>>533055890> claims to be smartRead your bullshit again. You wrote about people forcing limitations on others.Those others are of no interest for you, because you don't believe in a higher purpose.So why do you care for them anyway, sucker?
>>533054303>atheistsmore like gaytheists
>>533056203Heaven(paradise)=/=kingdom of GodJohn 14 1-3
>>533056433maybe maybe, i'm not the best interpreter so if there are nuances i wouldn't know
>>533054418Yet there are obnoxiously bitter, angry, sadsack narcissist churches on every street corner in America, institutionalized and supported by unflinching supporters who drive normal people away more and more each year. Get to know more people and you'll run into plenty of normie atheists who find purpose without needing a book to nag them into not raping others
>>533056233>uses kike again>thinks ww2 and nazi memorabilia means anythingGod damn moshi, you're really bad at this. I bet next you'll tell me your uncle has a canister of zyklon b next to his bed
>>533055357>Aren't you supposed to be indifferent towards the fate of others when they don't have a point of existing in the first place?What's the point of their existing then?
>>533056655Yet you just google a pull quote to try and win an argument online, congratulations you outted yourself as a redditor
>>533056257I didn't write whatever you're referring to. I also never claimed to be smart. I just know you're retarded and probably a disappointment to your ancestors.
>>533054303Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
People dont want God to exist because it means they would have to stop doing evil. Everyone will be judged. Hell is forever, so, too, Heaven. Choose wisely
>>533054455>i dont think athiest believe there is no point to life, just simply that there isnt an afterlifeAn atheist can believe in an after/reincarnation
>>533054303Because this life is all we get. It's beautiful, and amazing, and the fact that we exist at all in the form we do is a billion to one odds. You have the freedom to make this life what you want it to be, and learn about it, and understand it, and maybe make it better for yourself and others. You're a wonderful biological machine that can feel love and happiness and make children and taste food and have sex, and you have a few short decades to experience all that before you die and it goes away forever.Religion tells us that we're ugly and sinful and that the world is horrible and we should reject it all in favor of the lie of an afterlife. Pleasure is bad, happiness is bad, love is bad, suffering is noble.You get to be a beautiful cosmic entity living in a paradise that you're perfectly suited to for maybe 80 years if you're lucky, and you want people to fail to experience and enjoy that because of a lie told by bronze age retards.It's the greatest crime anyone can perpetrate. Imagine the billions whose lives have been cut short or who have been tricked into wasting their time on this Earth because of religion.
>>533057054Is child rape okay Y/N?
>>533056433Do you think he's talking about a material house he's making for you or is he telling you that he's preparing you for divine peace, joy, and righteousness thats found within a person's heart and consciousness rather than as an external, physical place?
>>533057200You're damaging that child physically and mentally and robbing them of their chance to live their life to its fullest. You're spoiling their only chance at a happy life.If religion is the arbiter of whether fucking kids is good or bad you should probably get the Catholic church, all of Islam, and all of Judaism on the phone and ask them what the fuck they've been doing.
>>533057054>You have the freedom to make this life what you want it to beWrong, you have the freedom to do as you should. True freedom lies in choosing the good, the true and the beautiful.
>>533057006No, people want God to exist to excuse and justify evil as part of some "grand plan" It gives them an excuse to not take proactive steps to make the world around them better. >God will solve all my problems! I'll just pray to God! Why self-improve when God will sort everything out! Hell isn't real btw, even within Christian doctrine. You certainly don't want it to exist. It's a Protestant spook to coerce cooperation from antisocial assholes.
>>533057006Does God know what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow?
>>533054777Because we can, simple as
>>533054303the only reason you believe in a god is because your parents told you he existed when your brain was young and extremely moldable.
>>533057054>>533057555Based
>>533055337>Don't need a book to write my story and TELL me what my purpose is>Free from gods or govt thought control>Good because I decided to be>Happy because I decided to be>But akshewally a SatanistHow does that even make sense
>>533057752Divine revelation is a source of epistemic knowledge in the West. If you cannot accept that, move to Saudi Arabia or something. Reality is hierarchical, traditional and sacramental. The Logos spoke reality into existence, humanity fell, he incarnated in the flesh and founded a visible church for our salvation. God is infinitely good, so, too, infinitely just. You will be judged
>>533057852He knew you before you were even born. You are a contingent being. He exists outside of time and space, he always was, always is and always will be, in saecula saeculorum
>>533054303>If atheists believe there is no point to life why are they so militant about their beliefsAtheists don't believe "there is no point to life". It's just that life's purpose is not an inherent quality but rather something that individuals choose.
>>533058119So... does God know what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow?
https://youtu.be/QKuYLp3saTQ?si=r6Mj7xIr-l8taNv2
>nothing matters, there is no morality or afterlife>but if you ever say nigger you are EVIL!
>>533058336Imago dei. You dont know wha this means because you spend your entire life wanking to Japanese cartoons on the internet. Acquire erudition. Perhaps then you will understand what evil is.
Because I want to make the world I live in currently a better place? What kind of retarded point is this?
>>533058570Does God know what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow? Christians always ignore this question or try to dodge it with sophistry like >>533058119
>>533055357>>533055960>>533055499More broccoli headed crybabies confusing atheism with nihilism.Seriously explain yourselves. Why do you struggle to accept the difference?You throw the first punch at anyone who doesn't gain a sense of purpose and morality from bronze age text not even meant for you.Your life is your own and so is the purpose you make of the lot you're given. Simple as. Think about that anons. It isn't to late to be a good person who shows courage and bravery just because it's what you choose. Not out of performance. Hell you can stay religious and still grasp these concepts I know it. Good luck
>>533058035>Believing God is the WordExceptionally Jewish, in a very literal sense. Not that I personally think there's anything wrong with that, but you do.Again, reality is a fractal. I eat God. God eats me. God is eaten. There is no God. Humans are God. God is latestage humanity. I believe in God in the same way I believe in humans. I am an atheist inasmuch as I am a humanist, inasmuch as I am a deist. These are indistinguishable positions."Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"... We will be as one again when all colors bleed together at the end of time. Is that God? I cannot say. It's certainly human.
>>533057417He is talking about a literal place, thats why he is going ahead and preparing a place for them.
>>533058650>a better placeYou will never immanentize the Eschaton.
>>533058766This dude took the reddit pill hard. Excited about the new Rick and morty champ?
>>533058797>You should never strive for goodness because you will never reach an idealAbsolutely braindead, nobody seriously believes this.Does it not bother anyone in this thread that they need to make weird strawmen in order to combat atheism?
>>533054872Cool it with the antisemitism pal
>>533058119>He knew you before you were even born.So God knew I would not believe, and God knew that my lack of belief would doom me to an eternity of torment. Yet even knowing these things, God chose to make me anyway and subject me to a test, the outcome of which he has already decided.I'm joyful that your "God" doesn't exist, because if he did, we would all be at the mercy of an arbitrary sadistic cretin. A child who burns ants with a magnifying glass, just because he can. What a horrible, sickening thought.
>>533056720Why does kike offend you so much? Kike kike kike.
>>533054303Accountability.
>>533058883Is that your perception of reality? The Xeelee sequence used to be popular on this website. But things fall apart, the center cannot hold.I'm not offended by your perception of reality. You are moored to this time and place, which is fine. You perceive your enemies to be other websites, which is fine. You understand this is all ephemeral, though?
You tell me >>533058910
>>533059109I genuinely hope people like this kill themselves. Not even as a meme or a joke, the world would just be a factually better place if these people died. The Christian grift needs to go.
>>533058778See it seems the core message of John 14:1-3 remains pastoral: Do not be troubled. Trust Jesus. He has secured your place with Him through His going (cross and ascension) and will complete it by coming again. The ultimate hope is union with Christ in God's presence, whether framed as heaven, paradise, or the full kingdom.Christians really are materialist though
>>533059046It doesnt offend me, its literally only used by jews because they hate it when you call them what they are, a jew
>>533058985It's not really a test if one already knows the outcome, it's a larp
>>533054303The point of life is life itself.Projecting into it some purpose that only culminates in some imagined afterlife is existence's ultimate cope
>>533057054This is is right here. Yet others will respond to this predictably confusing your humanity with hedonism.Otherwise basically /thread
>>533058985You have free will. You just dont want to stop doing evil. You deserve perdition. He is just. Hell is locked from the inside...
>>533054303misery loves company?imagine being so scared that other people might believe something differentnow imagine those people hainvg a 'room temperature iq'weird how they are so fragile about it
>>533059237Did a llm made by an atheist mega corp give you this script? My god zoomers are brain dead
>>533054303Because Christians are killing people and trying to cause the apocalypse for no reason
>>533054499Absolutely true, and checked
>>533054303Because they want to be left alone but you people are so hopelessly insecure about your "faith" that you can't keep from endlessly pushing it on people, kind of like you're doing with this thread.The "militant" atheists you perceive are reacting to your behavior. Just look at some of the batshit insane replies to a post like>>533054455>even if there's no afterlife, we should still be good people while we're here>>533056148>i want to feed you into a woodchipperWow why would that sort of thing make someone become more militant about their beliefs? Other religions don't seem to care as much but Christians fly into this insane rage at the mere mention of atheism, as if their faith is so weak that the mere suggestion that someone else might not share it is enough to make them have a defensive meltdown.
>>533059349>You have free willDoes God know what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow? Your belief system is pretty broken if it can't handle a basic question any child could ask
>>533059364You attempt to poison the well like a leftist.It's ok, I'm used to the two of you being 2 sides of the same coin.
>>533059149I have no enemies, the fact you think I do seems like a bit of projection on your part. The language you use and theories and platitudes you repeat go on to show you only have a service level of understanding that you are trying to project as profound. Again, very reddit user like. It's OK, eventually you'll understand the words you read
>>533057054>frenchOpinion discarded. Trash take, clearly has no children and is gay
>>533059494>poison the well>calling a spade a spade Interesting how you claimed you were unaware of the scripture but now you speak as a ln expert. Fascinating. Run the llm script a couple times before copying and pasting the reply, it might make it more genuine
>>533059485Yes god knows that, you baby
>>533054872But I do whatever I want. I am glad for society that you have a book that stops you from being the terrible person you desperately wish to be but not all of us need that
>>533059695>Interesting how you claimed you were unaware of the scriptureI did no such thing. Newfag here needs to learn how to read IDs
>>533059255So I’m a Jew for using a common word for Jews but you’re not a Jew dick sucker for worshipping a Jewish religion…. Got it
>>533054303Cowardice is a strange beast.
>>533057054>You have the freedom to make this life what you want it to beI don't.>t. low iq poorfag
>>533054777>Whythe nigger reveals his nigger morals>IF I AINTS GETTIN PUNISHED WHY BE GOOD
>>533059747Right, so then, you don't have free will, do you?
Because you have unironically murdered people and committed genocide because of a jewish book you dumb christkike
>>533059805>But I do whatever I wantYOLO. Only your soul is eternal. You have got a serious problem.
>>533057852>Does God know what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow?but I did eat the dinner tomorrow
>>533059929What is good
>>533059349Again, hell isn't real, please stop believing in spooks... They're not good for you. I am not militant about most belief, believe in whatever you want otherwise. All good, in the sense that all roads lead to Rome. But you REALLY shouldn't believe in hell. It's not a healthy concept. >>533059509Why should elevated language anger you, or make you think less of me? Should we not glorify the Word, if you believe the Word to be an expression of God? I would glorify the Word, as the Word is an expression of human creativity and power. We shaped the world with the Word!Believe whatever you'd like about me, you are certainly not wrong that my understanding of the universe still has billions of years to deepen. Just don't believe in hell. Heaven, fine. Reincarnation, fine. Nothing, fine. Just don't fantasize about eternal torment.
>>533059583France is almost uniquely responsible for secularism and the enlightenment, which is the direct source of most modern freedoms and comforts that you enjoy.It is the opposing force of repressive, puritanical Anglicanism, which you idiots for some reason are trying to sustain, probably due to some kind of generational trauma.
>>533060061>What is goodnot being you
>>533059970Catholicism created hospitals, orphanages, universities and schools. The West rose to greatness because of Christianity
Everybody in this thread is an atheist. None of you have ever been to church. You're just pretending to be christians because of rabid contrarianism.see >>533059109
>>533060283I go to the SSPX. Correct, the Tridentine mass. All Latin babby
>>533059747>Yes god knows [what you'll eat for dinner tomorrow]Then it's predetermined, and neither you nor I, nor any force in this universe can change what that meal will beIf God knows all things, and He does, then the fate of all things was fully locked in when God created the universe. The Prime Mover, the original cause, is personally responsible for all events ever, because he foreknew them before creationGod could have made a universe in which child rape didn't happen, but He specifically chose to create this universe while foreknowing all of the child rape that would happen- despite being able to prevent all the rape with the smallest drop of His powerWhy worship such a being? He is very real but I don't see the necessity to worship the Author of all evil
>>533060283I'm an atheist and went to church with my in-laws today. It was nice, went to lunch after too
>>533059968OK I'm an atheist but why isn't it a free choice just because the outcome can be predicted? If a fly lands on your nose I can predict you will swat it away. It doesn't reduce the freedom you had to swat it away or not.
>>533059968Weeeeeew lad I can’t even begin to thinkThis is your stumbling block, check your heart you reeeeeally don’t want there to be a God to hold you accountable, even autistic fags know god is really and Playing fucking games like “oooooh free will arguments” is playing retarted, straighten up and get your act together
>>533059349>You have free will.No I don't. Apparently, I was created by a being that was already aware of every single opinion I will ever hold. God created me knowing every single moment I will ever experience. He set a great machine in motion and he knows the exact position of every axle, every sprocket, and every pulley at any point in time. I am tossed about like a grasshopper in a tornado, whipped this way and that, without seeing, without comprehending. God knows the precise dimensions of the teeth that grind me to jelly at the exact moment I am launched between them by the world he created. I never had a chance to be anything other than what I am.Your pleasure in condemning me for this demonstrates exactly what kind of person you are - the very same arbitrary, sadistic cretin you project onto the cosmos. I won't indulge in your schadenfreude exercise - I genuinely hope oblivion gives you respite from whatever pain made you this way.
>>533060396And I'm sure you started going right around 2016, right? ;)
>>533059818Yeah pretty much
>>533059813>I cant swap ids Who is the new fag?
>>533060114Disgusting, only good for cooking, hail Britannia
>>533060106>Why should elevated language anger youAgain with the projection. Im chilling out on a Sunday basically talking to robots. I am the farthest thing from angry
>>533060577Holy shit this level of cope. You really are in above your head, so you invent a cope.
>>533060423Incredible baby take, honestly are you a teen
>>533054455It's not even just that. There are several current religions available for a person to subscribe to today, but most people who ask this question aren't really asking "why are there people who are atheists," they're asking "why are there people who aren't Christians?There is as much evidence for Christianity as there is for Islam, as there is for Judaism, as there is for Zoroastrianism, as there is for Hinduism, as there is for Egyptian Mythology etc. etc. etc. When you profess that you are a Christian, you're also stating "here are the gods and beliefs I don't believe in."There is no evidence for any religion being true, afterlife be damned. There's no evidence for an afterlife at all, and the secrets of what happens to us when we die and who our creator might be may not even correspond with any world religion that has existed in human history.With absolutely zero reason or evidence in the sum of human knowledge to suggest any actual truth, atheists aren't saying "here's the truth," they're saying "I don't know but neither do you."The reason atheists get so militant, particularly in the Western world regarding Christianity, is because Christians know just as little as the atheists do, but then pass laws on morality and acceptable human behavior, and judges their community based on those unproven standards.Then they wind up porking little girls on Epstein Island, or getting aids from strangers in public park bathrooms.
>>533060671You take this shit seriously?
>>533054303what a dumb question. obviously its because they enjoy the friction between them and the retards they taunt. they engage with you purely out of boredom
>>533060706I think you're a muslim
>>533060854You do, clearly
>>533060283This guy goes to church to light a flame with Christ, be like this guy
>>533060283>there is only christian and atheist>there is no way to be anything else>it is impossible to be an adherent of the tenets of a religion while refusing to practice publicly for obvious reasonsOh no, it's retarded.I am literally less atheist than a practicing Christian. Performative faith is not faith. Besides which, what need have I of faith? God is.
>>533060500So you want for humanity to be robots? Automatons? Cogs in a wheel? Imago dei babby. We have free will and an intellect. God made us in His image so if you want to abuse those God given qualities you will have to pay the price. Hell is just. You couldnt be anywhere near Him who is infinitely good and just. Only a disordered mind enjoys evil. Woe is you. Jesus Christ loves you
>>533061064Belief is literally a dichotomy, you fucking retard. There is no "middle-ground", you either believe in god or you don't.
>>533054303>If atheists believe there is no point to life why are they so militant about their beliefsBecause they REALLY NEED to be correct.Their philosophy will fail them.
>>533061094>We have free willNot possible when your will is subservient to an omnipotent being who's will supercedes yours.Your will is as "free" as a prisoner is in their cell
I actually really appreciate this show. No matter your morale compass, temptations never Leave and your decisions won't stop haunting you
>>533061176>Because they REALLY NEED to be correct.I have never had an atheist proselytize at my door.
>>533060487>you reeeeeally don’t want there to be a God to hold you accountableIf a pitbull breeder has their dog get loose and it bites someone the law holds them responsible. If a cook accidentally poisons someone with undercooked food, the law holds them responsible. If a parent leaves their baby in a hot car and it dies, the law holds them responsibleWhy is the all-knowing, all-powerful Creator held to lower standards than backyard pitbull breeders? Everyday he watches his creations both experience and cause terrible things and yet he does nothing despite having the full power to stop themYou claim that humans are responsible for their actions? Why is the all-knowing Creator held to lower standards than dog owners?>>533061176Hello christbot
>>533061313Because they don't love you any more than they love God.
>>533061154>small gHello, coward.Again, God is. I do not believe, because it is irrelevant to do so.Do you "believe" that you possess a right hand? If yes, is there any function to that beyond insisting you're not an obvious retard?
>>533061396>Hello christbot'Sup!
>>533061429What?
>>533061247True freedom is to do as you should, not as you want. How come I am infinitely happier than you doing what He wants?
>>533061466Does God know what I'll eat for dinner tomorrow?
>>533054303they want you to search for answers that they understand, ignoring that youve found yours.
>>533061465>Gets eternally ass-blasted over a letteruh oh
>>533054418FPBP
>>533061064I have a deep mistrust of Christians because they all seem to believe that if their religion is taken away, they'll have no moral grounding.The only thing preventing them from raping and murdering and stealing is the magic book, and they seem to have a deep-seated fear of what they'd be capable of if they lost that.They project their own moral failings onto others. They believe that everyone else experiences the same dark impulses and fantasies that they do, and that others basically need to be watched 24/7 to ensure compliance with basic social rules.How can you ever trust someone who thinks that way?
>>533061176>"Why are they so militant about their beliefs?">"They're mad about being wrong."By the way, these commandments from my beliefs need to go up in your classrooms.>"They just hate God."By the way, if someone rapes your wife, she can't have an abortion because my interpretation of my book says so.>"They're just sad individuals who hate the law and order God provides."By the way, I can do whatever I want to you as long as I ask for forgiveness before I die.>"Life would just be easier if everyone was Christian."By the way, you're banned from taking part in political office because you don't believe in the same thing I do despite having zero evidence for my beliefs being correct. Now I'm going to go kill some of those other people from my religion because they don't worship my God in the same way I do.
>>533061601Move to Cambodia or whatever, self-loathing turd
Other than the obvious innate spiritual curiosity that will arise in any human being, I talk shit and ask hard questions (that are never adequately answered) because of all the revolting people I've been forced to tolerate an enormous amount were outspoken Christians. They are exactly as vile as Muslims and Jews. I'm sure if I lived in a Middle Eastern nation I would either be too inbred to ask these questions or killed, and I'm already suffering at the hands of Judaism thanks to Scofield Bible fundies and (((the rest))) but all in all Abraham's philosophy is so repugnant that it's ironic any of these people call themselves "Christian" because Jesus was kicking back against manipulative tribalist opportunist niggers like you when he was actually alive. It's a shame he fucks it all up by insisting everyone worship him like a god rather than accept he was just an elaborate thinker. At least those vile evil pagans who did stuff like create Greco-Roman society, laws, philosophy and so on can admit they were just men with ideas. Anyway I don't care for the passive-aggressive "I will pray for you" shit as if you actually study the Bible or put any critical thought into anything, at this point if existence really is just the playground of a megalomaniac who demands absolute fealty no matter what stupid shit happens then even a black deprivation chamber would be preferable to submitting to that and Christian sophists.
>>533061522>True freedom is to do as you shouldWho determines the should? >How come I am infinitely happier than you doing what He wants?I have no idea what makes you assume that. Sounds like your trying to convince yourself lol
>>533061396>why isn't my dad accountable for my actions after I graduate from school, get a job, leave the house, and never speak to him again because he was a meanie pants that didn't want me to be a worthless degenerate?Does this help? No, this is not criticism of you, it's just a translation of the retardation you are currently engaged in."God the Father," not "God the Daddy."
If God is so good then why is there no God 2?
>>533060951Clearly
>>533061682You're the one who seems to believe that humans are inherently evil and born with sin. Isn't that self-loathing?
>>533054303>If atheists believe there is no point to lifeNo, that's Christians who believe that
>>533061688You sound mad. I dont.
>>533061601Surely this is a misclick. This is a misclick, right?
>>533061715>god made man in his imageyou are god 2.0than came christgod 3.0now we are building aiironically the more gods god produced the worse things have been getting so maybe we should stop chasing godhood alltogether and start being the secondry nature, humans
>>533061746This was you>>533056823All super serious, until you came across someone who that line doesn't work on. Realizing that, you then fold into one cope after another
>>533061786>inherently evilHyperboles everywhere. Concupiscence is the precise word you are looking for.
>>533054872>If you truly believed there was nothing else, you would do whatever you wanted. You would take whatever you wanted. You would have no obligation to anyone but your own immediate gain.Doing nothing is also an option.
>>533061828>I want you to sound madWhatever cope helps you get by
>>533061094>So you want I'm describing YOUR belief structure, not mine, but you are too lost in its contradictions to see that. You spout one thought-terminating cliche after another and you think they are profound and illuminating because they're in Latin. Good luck out there, brother. I hope your intellectual cowardice causes you to inadvertently perform an act of kindness for someone someday. You will cease to exist just like the rest of us will, but maybe then your whole life will have amounted to more than just lobbing curses from behind a book.
>>533054777Why the fuck not?
>>533054303Why wouldn't they be?They can choose what they want to care about.
>>533061715Did you think the angels were nothing? They're just God lending itself structure.You might, perchance, know them as "Aspects.">>533061956And you, of course, feel the need to engage in blasphemy.
>>533062009>you have to be serious because you typed something My brother, I could be a robot, a paid shill trying new conversation techniques to better apply propaganda, your mother, anybody. Me typing on this website proves nothing. I could be pretending to be retarded. You dont know. The only thing you know right now, is im gonna post some doros
>>533061707>why isn't my dad accountable for my actions after I graduate from school, get a job, leave the house, and never speak to him again because he was a meanie pants that didn't want me to be a worthless degenerate?I'm simply saying that a creator is morally responsible for his creations. The laws of men in all nations have this standardIf a carpenter makes a shitty house and it falls apart and kills people he is held responsibleWell we're in a terrible world where horrendously evil things happen every single day. Either God is a shitty creator, he is evil, or he doesn't exist. Which is it?A master painter makes master paintings. God makes a world filled with baby rape?>>533061466Goodbye bot. Maybe one day you'll finally answer my question -> >>533061543
>>533054303>if atheists believe there is no point to lifei wouldnt assume many atheists believe that. Atheists dont accept the theist's claims in a god and by extension the meaning they believe their god bestows upon things.the culture i was raised in and the values I developed shape what I see is the point of my life. I dont see atheists being militant. I run into religious people constantly inserting their beliefs in discussions and imposing them on others when no one asked, and getting angry when questioned. I see the same thing about vegans. the only time i ever hear it brought up is from non vegans being angry at literally no one. And when they are around, the vegans are quiet. they both should be more militant.
Christkikes tongue my anus.
>>533062323>I could be pretending to be retardedNah, its clearly natural lmao
>>533062110This is not my belief structure, this is how reality is structured. Ontology 101. What didnt you understand about reality being hierarchical, traditional and sacramental?!?!?!?! I clearly elucidate this earlier, you need more IQ. Ipsum esse subsistens.
>>533060942Barf>>533061396He’s God you’re not, and your arguments are gay cope
>>533062287>blasphemyNOOO! YOU'RE LITERALLY NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>533061543>>533062388Sorry.I was eating supper with my family.In answer to your question, YES.
>>533062446Clearly
>>533062605Sick to Sunday school kiddo.
>>533062601>I was eating supper with my family. In answer to your question, YES.Then that meal is predetermined
>>533062548>Huh?If you don't understand, then don't bother speaking.>he thinks I'm talking about permission
>>533062388>If a carpenter makes a shitty house and it falls apart and kills people he is held responsibleWhat if the owner was knocking out support beams or neglecting the house so termites got into it?
>>533056668Lol no there arent.
>>533061483They do not love you.I do not share Jesus because I hate you, thought I don't particularly lie you, but because I love you enough to warn you to turn from the path you are on before you arrive at its destination.
because if you are a sheep, then you can be led wherever the shepherd points to, by designin america it doesn't matter anyway since it's a paradise, everyone is extremely wealthy and current "contentious" issues are affecting only the fringe minorities
>>533054303Because Evangelical Christianity brings us to disasters like the Iran War
>>533062024But there is no question about whether Christianity is true or fake.You can't bring logic into religion at any stage because it immediately breaks down, it depends entirely on a rejection of objective reality and evidence-based thinking. It can be disproven so easily and in so many ways that even people arguing in its favor tend to fall back on appeals to faith and emotion rather than trying to challenge their opponent on any objective basis.When they try, you get Young-Earth Creationists and Evolution denialists, and people who think Noah's Ark is a factual account.Pascal's wager requires a level of belief and ambiguity that logic simply does not support.There is no requirement to engage with religion in any way.You might as well ask me to avoid walking beneath ladders on the off chance that it causes bad luck. I know it doesn't, there's no need for me to engage with superstition. I'm no more scared of Hell and eternal punishment than I am werewolves and vampires.
>>533062287there is no special place in heaven by blindly following doctrine without application of knowledge. Reading a dictionairy wont make you proficient in speaking the tongue. All mystics understood this and this is the biggest targeted area of every critic of the christian faith. Dont be just another target
>>533054455Why?
>>533062828>They do not love you.Those that try to sell their religion at my door? Correct >I love youNo you don't
>>533062388>I'm just complaining about free will without actually mentioning that I'm complaining about free willDude. Think about the things you say. Surface level engagement is pathetic and clearly demarcates your capability.
>>533054777Notice how the responses to your post didn't answer your question?
>>533062762>he thinks I'm talking about permissionYou are. You're saying that God did not give you permission to say that with the threat of eternal damnation to back it up. And if God doesn't exist, then it's just you saying it.
>>533062852>You can't bring logic into religion at any stageHe really just said that. THOMAS AQUINAS SAYS NO. Refute his 5 arguments right now. You cant.
>>533062687Clearly
>>533062937One did >>533055790>Because it is the right thing to do.
>>533062971Hello.Please take a trip to a dictionary. You need the help.You don't understand "blasphemy." Protip: still not catholic.
>>533063030Can you stop posting weeb imagines? Grown men talking. Thanks
>>533063030>Clearly
>>533054418Every accusation is a confession
>the only reason keeping me from committing crimes is because i'm afraid of (imaginary) punishmentsad
>>533062388The problem with your argument is that it presupposes that your logic is equal to God's, which if there is a god, is just extremely retarded and shows that you've put basically zero thought into religion, theosophy, philosophy and the metaphysical. As the other anon said, surface level shallow arguments that illustrate just how little thought you've put into this. You should let the grown ups talk without your larpy bullshit garbage opinions. You're an NPC. You heard atheist arguments that are basically middle school reddit tier, and ran with it. Lazy minded I would say. Your brain a sponge passively absorbing all the bullshit around it. Never post in one of these threads again.
>>533062811>What if the owner was knocking out support beams or neglecting the house so termites got into it?Then the owner is a shitty owner. The metaphor here falls apart because the "carpenter" made both house and the man who lives in itThe question now is- how did a perfect God make only retards that destroyed the world ("house")?>I'm just complaining about free will without actually mentioning that I'm complaining about free willThere's no such thing as free will. God alone has free will. We're all just puppets acting out a predetermined drama for his entertainmentThe Creator's omniscience directly proves determinism>Surface level engagement is pathetic and clearly demarcates your capabilityTruth is revealed in simplicity. Complexity is usually only obfuscation for lies
OP asked why athiests are so angry, while I am not a full blown athiest it seems to me that religions are a product of people's imaginations and not any divine being and that anyone who promotes a religion is either a liar or a fool.
>>533063096>blas·phe·my>/ˈblasfəmē/>noun>noun: blasphemy; plural noun: blasphemies>the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.Who decides what's sacrilegious?
>>533063247Germany you had best start believing in ghost stories
>>533062927Forgot to link your post also to -> >>533063340
>>533063069Saying "just because" actually bolsters the original argument against which those dipshits were responding to. You don't get it either because you're retarded
>>533063022Those are all terrible arguments for the existence of a god
>>533063247OH NO NO I WANT TO KEEP TOUCHING MY WIENER IN MY BEDROOM INSTEAD OF GOING OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD AND MARRY A NICE WOMAN BOO HOO EVIL GOD THE FATHER I WANNA BE EVIL
>>533063311Oi.Shut the fuck up, Done in Two Sentences. Stop lessening your contribution with personal baggage.
>>533063465>Saying "just because"That isn't what they said. Go back and read it again bud
>>533063470Grown men use arguments. Try again, kid. Just admit you are too stupid to understand what any of it means. Thanks
>>53306347510 bucks says this guy regularly posts in MGTOW threads.
>>533062971xir will argue semantics from a position of power similar to the moral highround leftists subscribe to their doctrine. There are many way to reach out to god but apparently, in his belief its only through following his word. Imagine reading the same 10 whatsapp massages from your ex, thinking you are uncovering some hidden truth behind every word. Jewish gemmantria shizophrenia tier. After reading the new testament 4 times back to back i fail to see how anyone in their sane mind will follow the church instead of meditating of what he has learned and try directly connect to god. Church should be a place to exchange ideas not to forcefeed you like a pig
>>533063530>>533063544Nice copes. "Just because" is what they said, in the context of the original argument. You idiots really don't belong here. Sad.
>>533063646>"Just because" is what they said,Again, learn to read>>533055790>it is the right thing to do.
>>533063627>MGTOWMonster Hunter World Tour?!
>>533062714Well, did you enjoy it?Why do you believe that freewill and predestination cannot both be equally true and applicable at the same time?God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He created matter, one of the aspects of which is time. His will is unfolding, whether you like it or not. Here’s the thing though, He will not force any decision on you. Your freewill will never be violated. I was predestined to be saved. Some would say that because of this, I choose to be saved. Okay.ORI have freewill. Some would say I choose God and He sees the choice that was made before I even begin my life. Okay.What’s the difference?God has predestined some to reject Him, to serve as an object lesson to others.ORThey freely choose to reject Him and He honors that decision that He saw coming.What’s the difference?You choose your path, either way.>>533062921>I love you>No you don'tYes, I do.
>>533063348>who decidesReally? Now I've got an atheist asking me how blasphemy functions instead of insisting that it's impossible.Is this what you meant to say?
>>533063758I don't believe you
>>533063712Again, that's what they said. I shouldn't have to explain why. Your reading comprehension is either really shitty, or you're being disingenuous for the sake of your argument. Or both.
>>533063860>that's what they saidYeah, I quoted what they said. You didn't.Simple as
>>533054303pride of being right and therefore better than others. because there is nothing else but this and that is all they can hope to achieve.
>>533063646>nice copeEverything after the second sentence is superfluous garbage that causes the entire post to ring hollow. None of those insults have any place in the discussion at hand.If anything, they read as acquired phrases that you have refused to modify and make your own.To say nothing of how little respect each one deserves.>calling someone juvenile with juvenile insults
>>533063022All of these questions have been answered with science that didn't exist when fucking Thomas Aquinas was alive in the 1200s.Even if he had access to the information that we do today, he'd likely still reject it, because he was a Catholic priest whose goal was to legitimize Christian theology by merging it with Aristotle, basically just piggybacking off the most respected thinkers of their era to try to legitimize his religion.It's the same way "Christian scientists" try to piggyback off modern science with the goal of crowbaring their theology into scientific theories. It's a way of legitimizing and validating their beliefs, rather than a genuine pursuit of information.Christians cannot practice philosophy or science because their processes are inverted and perverse. They cannot seek truth because they cannot learn or change their beliefs. Reality must be made to fit their preconceptions by any and all means, and any claims otherwise are lies designed only to mask their dogma.The fact that you have to go so far back in time to find prominent figures who support your beliefs is proof enough of that. I wouldn't go back to Newton for a modern understanding of gravitational fields.
>>533058199That's a another way of saying no point anything subjective is not real
>>533063937You quoted what they said without understanding what it implies, so you're basically just as retarded as they are. >>533063965Read your post again. You did what you're accusing me of, kek. Jfc this board is full of retards.
>>533061678The religious people in here missed this one.
>>533061678>>533064135You have to be 18 to post here.
>>5330636021 - God caused motion- lol if god can move things then what caused his motion? More gods? Other moving objects?2- god is needed to provide a first cause - why? Is there a highest number too? Why can't things go on indefinitely?3- contingent things need necessary things- well can't something be contingent on other things and necessary for other things too? 4- perfect things don't need to exist in reality, a perfect circle exists as a concept not a real object in the world5- order implies a mind - only to perceive the order not to create it. Do you think the arrangement of a snowflake crystal is meticulously pre planned? What about the patterns in sand dunes?
>>533063835>I don't believe youBecause you know what a piece of crap you are.You don't love yourself and so you project that belief onto others, like God.You don't believe in love.
>>533063311>The problem with your argument is that it presupposes that your logic is equal to God'sCompletely wrong. I am a speck of dust compared to God. However He has given me a brain and mind with which to contemplate and seek to understand the world. I use logic to seek understanding. You on the other hand telling me to stop asking questions are like the lazy servant in the Bible who buried his money in the ground rather than using it>As the other anon said, surface level shallow arguments that illustrate just how little thought you've put into thisAnd yet none of you can address these "surface level" arguments and resort to ad hominem like your post here. Pathetic>>533063758>Why do you believe that freewill and predestination cannot both be equally true and applicable at the same time?The author alone has freewill. The characters in the text obey only His script, and at best possess an illusion of freewillMy own dinner awaits and it would be foolish and wasteful to go through the same debate multiple times ITT. God bless you
>>533064131>You quoted what they said without understanding what it impliesWhat does >>533054455>we should still act in ways that are conducive to human well being while we're here.What about this, isn't the right thing to do?
>>533064131>heh, I can understand your insults therefore they're juvenileSir.
>>533064042No, science hasnt explained anything. You clearly haven't read any books. It feels like I am arguing with twelve year olds.
>>533063372i'll continue to be a good person without anyone forcing me to do so, just to spite you
>>533064192Great comeback. You solved a captcha for that non-response.
>>533064239>The author alone has freewill.Since someone's saying this, I'm gonna tack on my own.All fictional characters are self inserts. The colloquial "self insert" is just garbage writing.
>>533054303>If atheists believe there is no point to lifeNot a required part of being atheist, nor a necessary logical conclusion of lacking theism. If this is all there is, there is only a point in life, rather than an afterlife.
>>533054303Society being wrong in large numbers about something doesn't make atheists budge. If a bunch of people all told you the sky is green you'd just take it as a joke and not budge on its blueness. But if they really really fucking believed it and saw you never even remotely take their position seriously, they would eventually start fucking seething that fucking nothing they are saying is working on that fucker who says it's blue. OP is himself fucking seething. He went out of his way to make this thread looking for reassurance, wondering why exactly he can't do a fucking thing about people who don't believe in desert men sky magic and don't believe saying a couple words makes you immortal or makes you a better more entitled person than anyone for anything. To us it's more like "why the fuck are you so entrenched believing this shit is real in the first place, what is wrong with you, do you not realize you look like a five year old proselytizing for Santa Claus to us and that's why we don't respect you at all and will never take you seriously"
>>533063022What if none of that stuff is actually true?
>>533060224>those things didn't exist until JEWISH MAGIC MANretardedalso you killed scientist and doctors for practicing heresy and accusing them of witchcraft until secularism took authority away from you idiot
>>533054692Its funny, cause hell will also have a major portion of blacks
>>533064239I never said you stop asking questions dipshit. Yeah I know you're gonna find some butthurt part of the bible to compare religious people to slavery, real original. You missed the point of the entire post. Just because you disagree with something God does, does not mean you are right. It means you aren't capable of understanding it because it's a fucking god. You hit a wall of your own hubris that dictates your existential beliefs. If God does something you don't agree with, well I guess he's just bad or doesn't exist, right?
>>533064192Congratulations.You read criticism as insult.Congratulations.You did the exact same thing again.Congratulations.
>>533064234>Because you know what a piece of crap you areI make mistakes and I own up to them, learn from them and make amends if possible.>You don't love yourself I've gone through depression and self loathing and made it out the other side >You don't believe in love.Nah, I just don't believe yahoo's like you who claim to love me
>>533064367Great comeback. You solved a captcha for that non-response.
>>533064498Like your wife and her family?
>>533064496Thanks
>>533064288>science hasnt explained anythingThank you for providing the perfect Christian scientist quote, I rest my case.
>>533054303They're like trannies and faggots, that's how they reproduce.
>>533064590They love me, yes
>>533064485Can God make a pussy so tight he can't fuck it?
>>533064566You have to be 18 to post here.
>>533064661Yet you think they are ignorant, illogical fools.
>>533064210>what caused his motionHe is eternal>why a first causeInfinite regress isnt possible since clearly everything exist there was a first cause. Nothing can cause itself to exist. Only something actual can realize potency>contingent beings need a necessary beingcorrect, do you even understand what a contingent being is ontologically!?!?!?!?>perfection doesnt need to existare you ugly? i am really good looking. perfection exist. just because you cant accept it doesnt make it so>only to perceive the order blablayou cannot perceive that which is not. being precedes perception. actuality > potentiality
>>533064726>Yet you think they are ignorantWhy are you making up a strawman?
>>533057555>robbing them of their chance to live their life to its fullestThis matters why? (the answer, btw, is because your enlightenment faggotry is just Christian morality without the Christ)
>>533064791Why are you pretending to a logic you don't possess?
>>533064774>Infinite regress isnt possible since clearly everything exist there was a first cause.Your God exists, what was its first cause?
>>533064866Demonstrate why I'm wrong without personal feelings
>>533064931Same.
>>533063203no it's trueidk if it's a stereotype, but it's very noticeable all the 'god haters' about are just angry, spastic, overgrown, children who can't mentally negotiate life circumstance so they rage until they're blue in the faceit's the same story with a lot of left-leaning voters, but i can't talk about that here among you idiots, because you get filtered by certain words which trigger you all into incessant retard posts about 'muh libs' this or 'mah chuds' that, not realizing they're one in the same, but that's another discussion for another discussionand even this simplistic short hand will confound, but there it is
>>533064774How does perfection exist in the world? Can you think of an example?
>>533064871>Your God exists, what was its first cause?You are a created being.God is eternal, having no beginning or end.You exist in time, unable to move backward, or stop, continually advancing to the end.God made time. He can interact in any part of it as He wills. His view of the parade of time is like an aerial observer of a parade. Those in the parade see only what is near them. The observer sees it all at once.You assume that your view is the natural one for all beings to have. It is not.God is I AM. That describes His nature. His nature is to exist. Ours is not. There is a point before which we did not exist.Your pride of knowledge keeps you from learning any true wisdom.God offers you wisdom, but you must learn it His way.
>>533064961Same what bud?
>>533065030You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>533064988See>>533061678
>>533064871HE IS ETERNAL. He is being itself. Let GPT explain ipsum esse subsistens to you as if you were a twelve year old. It can you know. Stop thinking you are smart, stay humble
>>533065146>HE IS ETERNALBut he doesn't exist? How does that work out?
>>533064871A timeless being doesn't need a first cause because there is no "first".The material world clearly is not timeless, and thus requires a first cause to have begun. Timeless material origin makes no sense because there was not infinite time before the present moment (elsewise it would not have arrived), and therefore it can be stated that time began. And if it began, an external cause is required, because a timeless universe would by nature be incapable of change, because change requires a prior and a latter state, which can only be defined by time.
>>533065030Lol so before god made time there was no time. Got it, yup that makes sense.
>>533064072Anon your choices matter. You don't need a higher authority to validate you.
>>533065146Energy cannot be created or destroyedThis universe has the same properties :)
>>533065215See>>533065201
>>533065016It doesnt exist in this world, but we clearly see everything in the universe is hierarchical. Intelligence, beauty, goodness etc. The maximum, the apotheosis, exists.
>>533058761Why are you trying to talk to me like you have a soul? Dumb animal, go away
>>533064859Your Christian morality is innate to humans. It's perverse and disgusting to take the inherent good of man and claim ownership over it, to copyright the empathy and fairness that exists even in animals.Christianity is not moral, it's rooted in bronze age desert savagery and only long exposure to European goodness and social values has allowed it to be twisted and reinterpreted into something most people can stomach.Almost nothing good in the Christian religion came from Christianity. It has changed to reflect the values of the societies that adopted it, not the other way around. Without the Greek and Roman and European influence, all you have is Talmudic Judaism where the theological debates are about the precise age you're allowed to rape an infant and when it's appropriate to stone a woman to death.
>>533065215This kid has read a book or two. Salute
>>533054418so not different from other religions but instead of citing the scripture to win they just cite Science
>>533054303If theists believe that life doesnt matter why dont they kill themselves to get to heaven faster?
>>533062874Because I'll kill you if you Christians can't respect my boundaries.The way it has always been. Christians are weak and effete anyway. Literally letting islam conquer your homes, raping your children, while you do fuck all about it. All your belief in God amounts to is begging silently for the sky daddy to save you, as you sit there and do nothing yourself.Oh, except to come onto 4chan.org and post about how you're going to totally murder every atheist and pagan and other larp bullshit. Not the muslims, not the rapists, not the jews, no it's time to kill those fucking atheists and pagans.What a fucking joke of a religion in every single way. Morals? Ethics? I guess that's why you donated money to your church whom immediately imported a billion islamic niggers to rape your kids. Because YOU are such a special moral snowflake who knows right and wrong better than some atheist does.
>>533065278The point is that the existence of time logically necessitates a timeless, external origin capable of acting by will rather than natural change (for that which is timeless is incapable of natural change), i.e. God.
>>533054455so considering that one's identity is going to change throughout your whole life and that, if you reach an advanced age, your cognitive ability is going to be severely degraded eventually, which version of you is it that actually gets to go to the afterlife?
>>533065289>>533065289What the everloving schizo fuck are you talking about?What's the maximum number? Or the maximum tiger? What's the maximum shape? What about the perfect carrot soup? Does God decide these things? What if there wasn't a maximum number? Does God stop existing?
>>533054418Same. The most tolerable atheists I find are the ones who are genuinely hardcore into philosophy (like, are very educated about it, not talking about your armchair plebbit philosopher)
>>533054303Because misery loves company
>>533054303>>533054418Really? I've never had an atheist try to convince me of not believing in anything. In fact, it's religious fags the ones that are always giving me "free books that will change my life".
>>533065561>The point is that the existence of time logically necessitates a timeless,Sure, you don't know what that "timeless" is, so you presuppose God, but not jiat any God, your favorite one. Essentially a biased pick of God of the gaps
>>533061956You are just one of the things that god made and yet you presume that you are somehow special In reality, humans are far from the most successful lifeform on earth, only the most self-tormented
>>533055790Can you define "human well being" as something objective? Because if you want objectivity you have to defer what is evolutionary advantageous to humans as a species.Atheism is a disadvantage btw. They have less kids. A city of atheists would be extinct within some generations.
>>533065632>numberThese dont exist in reality. They are solely abstract. How do you not see reality is hierarchical? Then extrapolate that idea metaphysically/ontologically ergo God exists. AI is actually really good at metaphysics/thomism, give it a whirl.
>>533065561So your reasoning is this: 1-Everything is embedded in time except God.2-Everything is embedded in cause and effect except God.3-Outside time and causation before there was time God caused time and causation.
>>533065888>Can you define "human well being" as something objectiveSure, measurable, external indicators of a good life, such as health, income, and education, independent of an individual's personal feelings of happiness
>>533054777>>533055653Because you're not a fucking nigger.That's why.
>>533065377>so not different from . . . religions but instead of citing [their favorite fairy tales] to win [sic] they cite Science [sic].ftfy
>>533065984>>number>These dont exist in realityThey do in physical quantities
>>533065715Did you miss the part where the origin must logically be capable of acting by will? That means a being, a God, rather than metaphysical brownian motion. What particular faith's God you identify with the timeless external origin to is a more open question, but at a minimum for a religion to be truth it would have to speak of a timeless external origin and ascribe will to it, which already narrows the playing field by a lot, but that's kinda beside my main point, which is that atheism is just illogical.>>533066006Specifically that for time, cause and effect to exist there must necessarily be a being CAPABLE of causing them by will, which is not embedded in them. But essentially yes.
>>533065632Anon is ESL and confusing hierarchical for another word. They are also confusing God with (the) Good.
>>533066232creating them by will, rather
You are all wrong and here’s why:If god was real, could he microwave a burrito so hot that he couldn’t eat it??Checkmate atheists
>>533065715Many people lack the intelligence to understand infinity, and we can't really blame them. Everything about our world has limits and boundaries, and our minds are evolved to deal with those conditions. It's like asking a human to imagine seeing in ultraviolet, it's just beyond what their biology was designed for.But you can imagine it, and when you do, a lot of things start to become clearer and make more sense.Asking how big the universe is or when time will end becomes as nonsensical as asking what the biggest number is. We cannot apply finite concepts to infinite realities. To ask when time will end shows a fundamental misunderstanding of time's nature.We encounter the infinite every day. Recurring decimal numbers are a great example of this. All we can really do is cut off a truly infinite number at a certain point when it ceases to be useful for our perception. We can keep calculating Pi until the sun dies, but it's not useful.It is a great tragedy that true understanding of how our universe functions on a mechanical level is reserved for a handful of physicists and mathematicians who can only distill a simplified version of their knowledge for the rest of us.
>>533066232>Did you miss the part where the origin must logically be capable of acting by will?Why? This all could be a cycle of entropy
>>533065984What do you mean by hierarchical in this sense? Spatially we can zoom in and out, organisationally things are composed of sub systems. And are themselves constituents of larger systems. But I don't think that's what you mean by 'hierarchical'
>>533066406>Many people lack the intelligence to understand infinityNo one can really understand it as well never be able to experience it
>>533065888>Atheism is a disadvantage btw. They have less kids. A city of atheists would be extinct within some generations.Having more kids is an advantage until it isn't.
>>533054303Because Christians are delusional madmen who will tear everybody down with them before they admit they are wrong. State atheism should be mandatory to maintain a sane society.
>>533066481I know only enough to appreciate how little I know.
>>533066488Having more kids is always an advantage over having less than replacement kids.
>>533066608Exactly
>>533066406Aye I think the magic man in the sky has infinite eyes so each one can look at one of the digits of pi. But also if he blinked then pi wouldn't exist and circles would become impossible. Until he chose to open his eyes using his free will (but he already knows in advance with 100% certainty if he will open his eyes at any given future moment).
>>533054303Quite comical to contemplate.Protip: just because you believe something doesn't mean there's any truth to your belief. The idea that correct belief could change anything at all is the most laughable of all, and I have seen no single person holding such a belief, a belief into belief, possibly making it double laughable, who wasn't a deluded moron devoid of reason.If you want to hold beliefs you should at minimum be aware that they are worth fuckall without evidence.
>>533066411Because initiation from a timeless state is impossible without will because change without will requires time. The existence of the present moment necessitates a timeless origin, because as previously stated, if there were infinity time before the present moment then the present moment would never have arrived; that's what infinity means; it does not end.
>>533066057Do you think the average salary man is happier than the average hunter gatherer?
>>533066877But you're speaking from our current understanding if time. Which is changing the more we advance. Again, your presupposition is based on a lame understanding of time.
>>533066897Depends on the individuals circumstances
>>533066877Change requires time whether will is involved or not.
>>533065666>The most tolerable atheists I findsatan must have quite a pool to filter through lmao
>>533066488This is a bad faith appeal to nonwhite r-selection subhuman types as being religiously caused. Their reproductive proclivities have nothing to do with their religious views. They overpopulate because they are the embodiment of cancer, and cancer tends to do what it do.
>>533067085Cool. So not objective. Thanks. Like I said, evolution is the only objective measurement to go by.
>>533066897Depends how you define hunter gatherer, because they have a much greater tendency to be dead or suffer debilitating diseases with little relief.Does he get that childish "arrive at the theme park" happiness feeling more often? Maybe, but that's not how anybody spends their entire life unless they die pretty early. Furthermore it's often a result of "wew I just barely didn't die, hooray", making it questionable whether you even want to experience that a lot.In conclusion: existing in a neutral state, unbothered, moisturised, is a better measuring stick. It's more about not feeling bad instead of feeling amazing, not being miserable but stable and relaxed.
>>533067368Low IQ is both an effect of r-selection and a cause of religiosity.
>>533067460>Cool. So not objectiveSee>>533066057>measurable, external indicators of a good life, such as health, income, and education, independent of an individual's personal feelings of happinessIs good health subjective? Not really no>>533066897Happiness is subjective though
I need to stop debating theology on the internet like a retard. I love God. I love you anon, and out of this love I shall depart evermore
>>533067672Fuck off you smelly Muslim mong.
>>533067031Yours is based on what, hope that we make a new theory of time that conforms to what you want? It's scarcely relevant in any case, an entropic cycle would still require a first cause, because if there were infinite cycles before this one, this one would never have arrived.>>533067110Strictly, that should've been "creation without will requires change, which requires time".My apologies.
>>533067979>Yours is based on whatI don't make claims. I don't know what or if anything started this all. No one does.
>>533066877Our current understanding of the Universe is incomplete, but elegant.Before the Big Bang, there was infinite nothing without time as we know it. All that existed were subtle variations in the quantum foam, very small differences in energy at the lowest levels of reality. This is the source code of existence, what decides whether something is or is not. Most of what makes up our reality is vacuum and probability, mostly empty atoms with electrons whose positions we can only vaguely estimate.It's functionally impossible for these small differences to result in anything, but on an infinite and timeless scale, they inevitably will. It's the monkeys on typewriters equation.Nothing became something, a zero flipped to a one, and the Big Bang happened, which created spacetime as we know it. All of that trapped energy burst forth and suddenly had to contend with fundamental laws that hadn't existed before. Gravity, magnetism, mass, time, nuclear decay, etc.We are still riding the wake of that explosion, and we're made from the endlessly recycled elements that were first brought into being during that one event.We may not be the only Universe. We may be a bubble of spacetime existing amongst infinite other bubbles in this great timeless sea of quantum foam, endlessly popping in and out of existence.It's incredibly unlikely, yet the nature of timelessness means that the unlikely is infinitely likely. Even if something only has a likelihood of happening in 0.00000000000000000000000001% of circumstances, it will happen over and over and over again under such conditions. It might as well be 100%. Without time, it is happening both over vast timescales and simultaneously.The final redpill is that quantum reality is perfectly at peace in its contradictions. It both is and is not, it is yes and no, one and zero, all at the same time. It's all happening at once, continuously.
>>533067979>because if there were infinite cycles before this one, this one would never have arrived.Why? If each cycle is a year but we have infinite years before now we're cool.Think of it spatially-What if its turtles holding the earth up? You argue that if there were infinite turtles we couldn't have a world because the stack would be all turtles and we wouldn't have got to the earth yet. But you can still fit infinite turtles under the earth.
>>533068035You're making the claim that an interpretation based on understanding is equally valid to one based on pure conjecture, which is niggerbabble.
>>533068210>You're making the claimNo I'm not
>>533068208Because cycles are by nature sequential. In the spatial analogy, the present moment is not Earth; it is the deepest turtle in the stack, but there cannot be a "deepest" turtle, hence the whole concept is illogical.>>533068316You attempted to dismiss speaking from understanding with "uhhhh but understanding changes tho????" so yes, in fact, you did make that claim. Nut up or shut up NIGGER
