China > Japan > KoreaAlways have ranked like that historically, always will. And no allignment with US will change that. Know your place, Japsanese.
>>533056943>China > JapanLmao, another orc fairytale
>>533056752Honda, Suzuki and Nissan will die within 5 yearsToyota can survive by size alone
>>533056752MAKE SMALL SPORTY LOOKING CARS YOU FUCKING RETARDS
>>533057055Japan is just island China.
>>533056752>deregulate and remove excess bureaucracyOY VEY THIS IS LIKE THIRD NUKE SERBSAN
>>533056752>You can not make ze cars less expensive.>But we can't compete with cheap chinese vehicles, Schwab-Sama!>You must compete wizh zem, and you must charge a subscription fee. If you do not, you will not be able to sell in Eurozone.>But if we can't sell to Europe and America, we won't be competitive either!>Zat is right. You vill charge a carbon tax, a green energy tax, at least $20,000 per vehicle, and have ze customer pay per drive, in addition to paying for electricity for ze battery. And ze batteries must be expected twice before every half moon. And ze batteries must receive a meta-inspection every 7.3 months. And ze drivers must pass a qualification test zhat mandates "no smoking." Smokers vill not drive ze electric vehicles.>Schwab-Sama... this is impossible!>It must be done regardless. Also, you owe me one million dollars.
The problem is that the battery is the single largest cost component of an EV and China produces something like 90% of the cells. BYD and Xiaomi are both vertically integrated for this which flies in the face of the past fifty years of Western automotive thinking of outsourcing every little fucking thing to third party suppliers.Everyone is fucked, not just the Japanese automakers
>>533057077>Toyota can survive by size aloneI can believe this. Toyota will have momentum for decades.>t. Toyota owner
>>533056752YELLOW PERIL FUCK CHYNA FUCK CHINKS
>>533057295>Everyone is fucked Not the chinese. You got outplayed, jew.
>>533057295Time to become a based train autist and build your rail lines.
People keep saying this shit but EVs are simply not an option for a huge chunk of Americans. If you rent, you're fucked unless you want to regularly waste 30 minutes at a supercharger every couple of days
>>533057077Toyota is slowly buying minority shares in all the other Japanese automotive companies. There was talks between Honda and Nissan for a merger which broke down, but all this shows that the future is a single Japanese automotive conglomerate, not multiple companies.
>>533056752What a stupid thing to say.
>>533057492>thinks renters are important in the economy the only people who matter are boomers unless it's the latest funko pop.
>>533057492>People keep saying this shit but EVs are simply not an option for a huge chunk of Americans.You might be right but if that were really true, then there'd be no need to tariff them. The market would just keep them out by default.
>>533057492China sell more EREV than pure EV. They run a very small but fuel efficient motor to charge the battery. Have ranges that matches gasoline cars. Less complex than hybrids since the engine doesn't drive the wheel train directly, so no variable transmission needed
>>533056752Japan is already semi-communist.
You need to subsidize battery production on state/EU level if your going to compete with the chinese, as that is what they have been doing for years to get so far ahead.
>>533057492He isn't talking about American market. The American market is probably fine because there is no Chinese competition. It's SEA that is fucked.Suzuki captures the Indian market, so they'll probably be fine. This is the reason why so many Japanese companies are increasingly investing in India. That's one of the few large markets that won't be able to buy EVs for the foreseeable future.
>>533056752>Offensively bad bait I love my Mazda. Before that I was an Uberfag and with every car that picked me up I took notes. Japanese cars were built different than most, and the few Chineseium brands I was a passenger in had that familiar crap quality they are known for.
>>533057295China saw early 20th century America's business model and said "we'll do that too". And as long as they don't start outsourcing like the US did, they'll never lose again. If you make everyone's shit, everyone is your slave.
>>533056752just make cheap cars. honda's the best mass engine maker. americans would go nuts for the kei trucks.
>>533057492>If you rent, you're fucked unless you want to regularly waste 30 minutes at a supercharger every couple of daysAlot of apartments that have lots are building charging stations, this is going to be a non issue in the future. Posts like these are just really stupid because you are under the assumption that people don't adapt to the times. Real estate owners are very aware that EV charging stations can be an incentive.
>>533057791>Jap cars>goodthey were called "rice burners" for a reason. Now boomers like yourself are just following the typical boomer retardation and Chinese cars are the new "rice burners" meanwhile Japanese cars are all wonderful. in another 50 years you'll be saying how great Chinese cars were compared to the electro-magnetic Martian cars
>>533056752BIG CHINESE COCK MOGS>GTC!
>>533057077>Suzuki and Nissan will die within 5 yearsChecked.These aren't dead already?Between Daewoo Engines that eat their own timing belts, and JATCO cvt's that blow up, both for over almost two decades, why should these car manufacturers exist??
>>533056752Honda has brand loyalty. Nothing runs like a Honda. Nobody wants EVs. We want gas powered Honda ATVs, Cars, Generators.
>>533056752This is literally every industry.China has invested heavily in making their manufacturing sector ultra efficient and can crank out vehicles that are far cheaper than everyone else.The only way for them to survive is to do what all bad businesses do; petition the government to protect them while they utilize cheaper Chinese products to increase their earnings.
>>533056943Still malding over the Russo-Japanese war eh?
>>533057055Are you a Japanese Nazi? That would be pretty rad
>>533056943you plainly have never seen chink anime
>>533057295How did everyone get duped into this retarded thinking? >Lets give up all our in-house resources and rely on a single supplier on the other side of the globe, if shipping gets held up at port for a week we are out of business.
>>533058590Hondas are dying out here.
>>533056752American energy execs had the same reaction when they saw how resiliently the energy infrastructure in China is compared to the US. They are on a whole new level and we are stuck in the 18th century.
>>533058866jewish paranoiathey wanted to weaken america and europe because they were afraid of an uprising
>>533056752mitsubishi will survivethey can produce tanks and planes againbut i think there is no japanese left to drive them, today all of them have small penisesthey will need to mobilize pokemons to pilot all that planes
>>533057979Some reason those trucks are banned for import here. They are deemed unsafe but they are all over Japan.
>>533057295The US' secret UFO technology is going to make all batteries obsolete soon though.Right?I mean that's the only way to explain why they would allow this to happen. Right?
>>533059407peopre with small penises need small trucks, americans need bigger trucks to fit their penis
>>533056752I got myself a BYD just a month ago. It's very nice.
>>533059692What model?
>>533059692Based
>>533057295This is why while I don’t like Trump or any of the other shit that’s going on, there’s no other option. The other side wants to sell the US out to China.
>>533056752Yes, you do have a chance. In fact, you have such a good chance that you're self sufficient. The Chinese government subsidizes car manufacturing. They don't care if Chinese manufacturers are profitable right now because the goal is to corner the market and then jack up the prices.
>>533056943The war was like 1 million years ago dude let it go
>>533056752Wow, yes, making a cheaper product of comparable quality will result in your shit getting pushed in as a competitor, sugoi, Toshihiro-sama. They will survive, obviously, by pressuring the Government to apply tariffs on EVs and delay updating the country's infrastructure to make them even less attractive to the local population.
>>533059656I think seeing those trucks all over America would shrink many a size.
>>533059692which one?
japanese are fucked, usa airdefenses are yous a meme
>>533056752Let’s check in on how the deindustrialization and financialization of neoliberal countries is goi—
>>533060272there is no term for let it go in the chinese dictionary, japan is fucked
>>533058881Hondas are known for engines that just werks. Better than Toyotas, but Honda cars have bad build designs sometimes. However my Honda’s starter died after 180k km, a normal car would probably die out at 100k.
>>533058881How so? Just replace the timing belt.
>>533056752How do you think brands such as Ford, Volkswagen, Toyota, etc would fare if they were directly subsidized/funded by their governments.China is not as strong as they look. Its obvious when you look at their wages (and by wages I mean the real average, not the values in hightown Beijing).
>>533061653EVs taking over.
>>533060240This is a retarded burger cope. They said the same about solar panels but the prices never went up despite their near monopoly.
>>533057055China is objectievly stronger and more cost-effective than Japan.
>>533056752The only reason is the Chinese are literally selling their cars at cost to dump them and destroy the auto industries of other countries. it's really easy to do when your people are willing to work for worthless scrip and are all essentially slaves
>>533062097How is this possible when gasoline is just so much more efficient?
>>533058866They never expected anything to happen because of neoliberal dogma. These morons think their system is "the end of history".
>>533056943based and correct
>>533057055I cant tell Chinese and Japanese. They are basically like Malays and Indos.
>>533062258> it's really easy to do when your people are willing to work for worthless scrip and are all essentially slavesKEK you’re a clueless boomer retard
I wouldn't feel safe driving a Chinese EV that does 0 to 60 in 3 seconds.
>>533058866Your elites are citizens of the 'global world', there was no logical reason for them to pay high manufacturing salaries to local entitled workers when they could build factory in China.The problem with their ideology is China was always for China and for Chinese, so while your globohomo elites were destroying your countries' ability to manufacture anything and making everything about speculation and (((services))), Chinese now own and control the real physical world. Oh, and since your elites didn't learn shit and still believes to be global, now they think the answer is to flood your countries with migrants to perpretuate their ponzi scheme like economies and fantasy about low salaries (which will never happen, because the only reason to ever live in western countries is having high income for basically doing nothing)The whole world works only because China is still accepting debt as payments, perpetuating (((service economies))) delusions and inability to develop. The moment they'll ask for real money (like gold), the world will end.
>>533062331Thailand is an island nation and it makes sense that it’s be easy to push primarily EVs there. Most island nations that can maintain a decent electrical infrastructure should probably prioritize EVs
>>533062258>it's really easy to do when your people are willing to work for worthless scrip and are all essentially slavesThe irony of an American posting this
>>533062524> the world will end.No, their world will end. Not the Chinese world. Just the judeo-boomer world. And good riddance.
>>533056752electric is fake and gay
>>533062668>AINT NO SUCH THING AS DANG GUM ELECTRIC FLYING MACHINES
>>533056943Agreed
>>533062331>gasoline is just so much more efficientWe're running on our reserves...
honda fucked up and is coping. toyota is doing very well.
>>533056752>low costWell yeah that's the point. You can't compete with Temu either. That doesn't mean Chinese products are good, they are in fact harmful because consumers are wasting money on dangerous products that break easily to save money. The average person wants to save money so will spend cheap, this is why we have regulation laws in the West. China lies and tells Western regulations that everything is up to standard while hiding unsafe components via multi layer surfaces, paint etc. This is for everything, not just cars. They even paint their own animals/meat to trick their own consumers.
>>533062859KekI hear Philippines has only 20 days left of reserves. SEA nations are gas starved.
>>533056943>China > Japan > KoreaJapan is overtaken by South Korea
>>533062143nobody buys solar panels
>>533056752Everyone who's not a seething FLG mouthpiece, China washout, or slopulist realized this after China woke up after the glowies arrested the Huawei heiress under bullshit charges.
>>533062331people are dupes and don't understand how subsidized electricity is in their country as opposed to gasas soon as evs become common expect these to go away
>>533056752Every single car from Japan is severely under-powered. Honda just shit out a prelude that has the same amount of power as it did 20 years ago. They lose to American slop cars more than they know. They lose because they are skirting by on durability but the lines are blurry now since the Chinese batteries haven't yet starting blowing up in spectacular Chinese fashion and America is making more interesting things with more durable materials. In the meantime, Japan needs optional turbos like it was 1980 and twin turbos like it was the 90s.
>>533062953You have no idea what BYD cars are like, they are in fact better then most western cars. This is the same bullshit scare mongering people used over their electronics, ignoring that they have spent the last 30 fucking years building every electronic you use RIGHT NOW. They have both the tech and industrial base that is mostly superior to the west because of us giving them our manufacturing. Fucking temu is a retarded comparison when thats like pretending etsy is a good example of western quality.
>>533062634Their world is physical, it's not based on beliefs of the masses into ponzi schemes. It doesn't care whether you believe China is stronk or you believe China is weak. They will produce all the shit regardless of how much it costs in monopoly money banknotes. It's not going to change, because other countries can't produce fucking anything.
>>533056752Free market, bab- NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>533062765my phone dies at 20% in the winter cold. ain't no way will I use one of these things in the winter. especially a chinky tonka.
>>533063443Nah. Honda is doing it right. You don't need superpowered cars like these flying bombs from China that go 0 to 60 in 3 seconds. You need a reliable, efficient machine that won't burn up in a fireball of destruction.
>>533056752Hilariously the first option will cause infinitely more deaths through exploding batteries and uncontrollable carpark fires
>>533058866Western imperial plutocrats are that greedy and shortsighted. Biggest strategic economic blunder the last 500 years. Better hope China is a benevolent hegemon.
I'm suprised that Honda would even tank from losing car sales, they make power equipment, outboard engines, tons of powersport shit like ATVs and dirt-bikes, they even make a plane. I feel like I almost see more non-car Honda products than cars, you'd think they'd be diversified enough in terms of products that they could weather that.
>>533056752>The fucking H bridge is soo much technology we cant into that.You just need to step up developing and stealing technology like in teh 70s.
>>533063518You have no idea what BYD cars are like. They are vastly worse quality than Western EVs, and there's hundreds of video evidence.https://youtu.be/d_RZhlcn5G4
>>533062972>I hear Philippines has only 20 daysYeah they're retarded. We have 3 month's worth and we were getting our ships through after working out a deal with Iran but then things happened lul
>>533063803they wouldn't be very good at it if that happens
>>533063518If China does something right it is electronics but i don't want a battery powered car. Especially from China. Yeah modern American cars suck but you don't need to go to the extreme and get a Chinese EV. We need Japanese cars in America but the government won't allow it.
>>533057295They’ve been saying that when electric cars take over china will dominate for like 20 years yet did nothing. Fuck em. Companies that only care about quarterly profits deserve to die.
>>533062512Nobody in chinkna "owns" their home, it's a communist country, you buy the lease. They also use the 6 wallet system or whatever it's called where your parents and grandparents contribute funds to help you buy it.
>>533064034>Let me post a highly biased cherry picked video that makes money off china badOh fuck off if your going to be disingenuous. Ill even be nice and go over the video, The fag goes over how EV failures are not reported on, yet has a bunch of videos? Also EV failures are of course going to be more common. WHEN YOU HAVE MORE EV CARS. Fucking christ retarded shit. I can post dozens of EV failures going on in the west.
>>533063518This, the old "everything china makes is cheap shit" is just a giant cope designed to ignore that china has deeply entrenched itself as the new center of the global economy.
>>533057545Toyota already "makes' some of their cars through other manufacturers, many other car companies have long done this too. I don't see this as any different than what has occurred in past auto history with mergers, and rebadges. Like, wtf is Nissan today anyways? It's a zombie corp, like Dodge.
>>533056752Just apply tariffs to Chinese EVs and subsidize your own domestic EV manufacturers.
>>533064136>>If China does something right it is electronics but i don't want a battery powered car. Especially from China. Yeah modern American cars suck but you don't need to go to the extreme and get a Chinese EV.Except american car manufacturers are inept, and greedy. They do not care about innovation, and infact the tariffs these they are pushing are so they can keep their monopoly. They know if people actually get access to the outside market and find out how dogshit american cars they know they are fucked. Its why Honda and toyota took over america by storm. They dont want a repeat.
>>533064518Well guess what, gas is expensive again and Americans want Hondas.
>>533057055He is right.Chinese cars use a.i. to scan potholes and glide across them effortlessly.No other cars in the world have this.
>>533064518It's not just American car manufacturers; the Asians that have been allowed in are part of the cartel too. That's why Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Subaru and Mazda do not offer the same affordable cars in America that they do in the rest of the world. We're all just cash cows for the milking.
>>533065169To be fair, we can blame car dealerships for that. Greedy fucking middleman who are protected by law. Instead of just allowing the car companies to sell direct.
>>533056752It’s because the Chinese government subsidizes EV production, so they can be sold below market price in an effort to gain a global monopoly. The US does the same thing with rice and onions crops, and China(correctly) tariffs them back up to regular market prices so the US cant drive their farmers out of business and make them dependent on our food to survive
>>533065443The US and its international institution partners (IMF/world bank) also structure financial packages and debt restructuring to third world countries on condition of removing trade barriers to US agricultural goods, which chops out the lowest ladder rung needed to build up their economic-capital base.
>>533065169It costs $12,000 to make a $25,000 sedan. It costs $13,500 to make an F-150 pickup that retails for $85,000. Which one would you rather make and force the customer to buy? The Big3 are intentionally underproducing to keep prices sky high, and they are only producing high profit models. Neither of those two things are a mistake. But they will be one day. The day of reckoning is coming. They are milking us, no question about it.
>>533065169The fact the US doesn't allow hiluxes demonstrates this to a T, you cannot buy one of the best trucks in the world here domestically.
>>533065364If the manufacturers let the dealers set prices and production levels, you'd be better off. The dealers want to sell cars. The manufacturers want to ass rape you. The dealers are not the bad guy anymore. Maybe in the past, but the manufacturers are worse now, far worse.
>>533066013This isnt true, Car manufacturers tried very hard to kill car dealerships, because of the ridiculous bullshit the dealerships do that make cars more expensive and harder to sell. Dealerships are 100% the enemy.
>>533057055Most historically-literate american.
>>533056752China is doing so well that they have to keep telling people or they'd never know. I worked and lived in China for 6 years and it's a shithole full of incompetent retards LOL. Why I always laugh at these pathetic threads. Also: I hate to burst your retard bubble, Chang, but America and China are close allies. God you people are such surface-level failures.
>>533066013Absolutely not>>533065443Not quite. China has a habit of setting up labs and factories all over the country and letting them rip with subsidies, then over time, they cut off those subsidies and let the capitalist leave the best standing.The end result is a lot of consumer surplus, and products that are pretty good. Sometimes so good they're banned in NA or the EU.
Scrolling by the thumbnail, I thought that was an older Kaz Hirai.
>>533056943No, Professor Jiang Zeihan said Japan is the future. Forget about China. Pay no mind to China, we shouldn't think about Chia. We need to focus on the evils of the Frankish Empire and how Japan dominates East Asia.
>>533062512The Chinese government owns all the houses people live in. Just like the government in China owns EVERY buisness. You are so fucking retarded anon. Do you just see a picture with words and assume its true? I hope your fat ass gets drafted to go die for the yids
>>533059272>mitsubishiThey also make pens and pencils. I have a pen made from old whiskey casks.
>>533056752>hey, we need to lower costs, let us half the wages and slash all employment protection - oh woops, ended up moving jobs to China anyway.Taking bets for this outcome now.
>>533057295The real reason china is able to have vertically integrated supply lines for EV's is that they are 100x more mechanically simple than an ICE car.
>>533059272Try to bomb zeh harbor.
>>533056752The western touched shitholes are matriarchal thus can’t compete manufacturing wise. Give it up.
>>533062331no it isn't retard
>>533056752>chink death traps based on Safety Standardsbam, problem solved, gib 6 figure salary for my "economic consulting"
>>533057055Besides cars that are generally more reliable then what manufacturers make elsewhere what's something good that japan has produced over the last decade?Anime has been going to shit.
>>533066787Then explain why so many nail houses exist in China.
>>533056752Also EVs will never outdo combustion. It's an expensive, wasteful toy for wannabe tikkun olam Greens and the market is hardcapped at very low numbers relative to combustion engines.
>>533067043>never outdo combustion.You won't be able to tank up your combustion car.
>>533057295To my dying day I will never understand the short-sightedness of people outsourcing and not attempting to maintain a start to finish supply chain.
>>533056752This is basically the opposite of what he said.He was referring to their supply chain and automated factories not the cars themselves. His only chance is making technologically superior cars as he won't be able to beat China's low cost and speed of production.
>>533067033>Then explain why so many nail houses exist in China.Honestly, because despite having the right to own property they apparently have property rights. There is a lot to criticize China for, but nail houses are a symbol of the individual having power over the corporations and municipalities.
>>533057077Every American car company not named Tesla will be dead in 10 years. Ford will be bought out by the Chinese. It’s so fucking over.
>>533067379We're the dispossessed detritus of every other country in the world, full blown dysgenic retarded policies and degeneracy was inevitable.
>>533056752They could put us out of bananas
>>533065774https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2026/03/31/world-bank-to-help-romania-promote-fiscal-sustainability-private-sector-growth-and-jobs#:~:text=Washington%20D.C.%2C%20March%2030%2C%202026,growth%20and%20foster%20job%20creation.
>>533060280rareare
>>533056752Japan's true potential has been been held down by muttmerica. Like Germany it became a vassel of the USA and those are never allowed to surpass their slavemaster. Japan could have electric driven gundam mechs by now if it wasn't locked by your country.
>>533067043EV sales are going up and up, what a crock of shit your spewing.
>>533056752reject modernity, embrace tactical Hilux
>>533067915Oy vey silence goyim we needed super pedophiles insteadThat's what the good guys do when they win
>>533067492>that's the opposite of what he said>says the exact same thing that was already said
>>533062524>>533063569anon knows
>>533057077What about Mazda though?
Japan should be fine. As long as they keep making cars that go 500k-1M miles. No cheap Chinese or Korean lemons will change that. Rigorous testing and quality engineering by more intelligent humans will win.
>>533068033>more intelligent humans will win.welcome to 1871
>>533057077>Honda will die in 5 yearsHonda would still be alive from it's boat engines. Honda makes the best engines on the planet.
>>533063709People buy a car because they need one. They buy your car over another because it excites them. Either the styling and luxury, or power. Poor people who just need a means of conveyance buy used. I do love lexus Toyota but Honda hasn't had a new idea in 15 years. Also they need to realize the American market will burn gas we just don't give a fuck. Unlike Japan which does have some import issues. - texted from my v8 tt porsche
>>533056943This is the correct educated patrician opinion and anyone putting Japan above China is an uncultured mongrel or worse, a degenerate weeb whose culture is entirely fabricated and artificial.
>>533068133Antisemitic post.China was more willing to accept communism so they make superior engines somehow, goyAnd all your devices that have real people spying on you, not just AI.
>>533062512A commie bloc apartment is not a home. Nobody in the West says they own their own "home" when they own a condo. A "home" is a single family home with a yard.
>>533067033Wtf why does china have better property rights then me.
>>533068314land taxes are due every year goy
>>533056752Funny I was posting just this the other day on this hell site: EVs are the future. Change or die.
>>533068382Mine are $25
>>533063111Yes. Nobody buys batteries. Nobody buys anything unless it's Made In America (or Japan because they are based also)
The Chinese are literally what America was 100 years ago
>>533068382Get to work rentoid
>>533057110The UK is just island America
Honda cannot even make a proper F1 engine these days. How can I expect them to mass manufacture low-cost reliable cars?
>>533069109>even Japanese boomers are slopIt truly is over isn't itKikes went wild after WWII wreaking as much havoc as possible
>>533069301Zoomers*
>>533067379Is not hard to understand, an individualist society only cares about themselves not about the future, ergo is doomed
>>533065909those stopped being good the same time tacomas became shitty
>>533057295This. The vertical integration is why China eats everyone's lunch, Easy to profit when you own every leg of the chain.
>>533058005I've never seen a charging station at an apartment complex that wasn't somewhere downtown for dipshit office hoes. What gated jewish Cape Cod community do you live in?
>>533069579I live in texas, charging stations are everywhere....
>>533056752Good, you can't Buy jap Cars without getting a loan Even of You have the cash already, they want You to check your goy crédito score and fuck in the ass with 30% interest, china Cars don't give a fuck about goy crédit scores, i'm willing to Buy a jav pornstar as a slave at 30% interest but not a car
>>533056943China > Korea > JapanThis is actually the natural order and how it always was throughout history until the late 1800s. There was a brief period shortly after Commodore Perry opened up Japan where Japan was able to rocket ahead of China and Korea because they had access to white western technology.Things are however reverting back to their natural form and Japan is returning to its natural role in last place.
>>533069876Imagine being the Korean who typed this
>>533056943>>533069876What are you guys comparing? Some jewish metric like GDP? Total corporate sales numbers? Tax revenue? Shareholder profits? Maybe to compare which country is "better" you should look at how many citizens of that country escape elsewhere. Even adjusted for total population it's clear that #1 for emigrants is China followed by Korea. Japan is a very distant 3rd. Just something to consider.
>>533056752Electric cars are shit though. Theyre grossly inefficient. Its taking the internal combustion out of the engine and moving it to some powerplant 100 miles away lol
Muttoid cope ITT is hilarious.
>NOO NOT MY HECKIN ANIME GIRLS
>>533056943No. Chinks still have to move to white countries to make a living, japs and koreans stay in their own country at least
>>533066991Gasoline is more efficient per cost over batteries. Goes further and is cheaper. Especially with small engines. Until batteries gain more range they will never be more efficient than gas.
>>533071968>Gasoline is more efficient per cost over batteries.Thats not even remotely true, EV engines are like 30-50% more efficient. Gas itself is a very inefficient form of energy, like 20-40% of it actually turned in energy while the rest is wasted from combustion.
>>533073175A gallon of gas holds like 100x more energy than the same weight of a battery equivalent. So the range of batteries to weight is shit compared to gas. It doesn't matter if EV brushless motors are more efficient over a combustion engine. The gasoline will always get you further. Battery technology can not store more energy than gas per weight. That's why i said until batteries can hold more energy EVs will always be inferior to engines with gas.
>>533056943>China > Japan > KoreaIn terms of what?>>533058816>>533060240>>533062258>>533062953The Walmart of the world.
>>533056752Japan > China >>> Korea
>>533057077What about Mitsubishi?They're my favorite car manufacturers
>>533063111>t. Someone who pays another man for electricity
>>533069000America is the Continental Anglo
>>533056943Wow, you correctly ordered them by population size. Truly a genius revelation.
>>533058866Because History ended with the Soviet Union. We just have to wait until we give enough money to China and Africa that Socioeconomic Conditions make then as Liberal as the West.(This is what modern liberals actually believe)
>>533074129Part of Nissan alliance, and they both got kinda screwed by Carlos Ghosn.
>>533057055Japan has been a non factor since 1983 and nothing some memeflag faggot posts will change that
>>533057055Has Japan ever surpassed China without China getting pounded to hell by multiple foreign powers at a time first?
>>533056752AH YOU RIKEY ERECTRIC AUTOMOBIRE?
>>533073593energy density has nothing to do with efficiencyEVs tend to be much, much cheaper to drive using grid electricity. it costs four times as much for me to drive my y2k sedan than it does two different models of 2025 minivan EVs. 3.5x to 3x if we're looking at EV trucks. but if you throw in solar panels, each multiplier gets higher past like the 1500th kw generated (which is the point at which (in my area anyway) the total savings in energy generated surpasses the cost of the panel) plus you generate power for your house)solar panel costs are plummeting like daggers right now, and so are battery coststhe fossil fuel industry as it exists today is basically done for. solar is doing a continual god dump as the technology scales by the week; americans who have the real estate to put panels on can literally buy panels that pay for themselves in a year now, and then just keep churning out electricity. if municipalities organized, they could buy their own panels, and batteries (probably most will do that when costs go down more), and then just give themselves basically free power.i don't care how the fossil fuel industry tries to twist it; the writing is on the wall, and it's over. the earliest adopters of today's renewables will benefit the most.
>>533076707Kek this place used to be so much more fun.
>>533056943Always? nah>>533057055It's been like that for a few years
>>533076775I mean efficiency in range to weight ratio. Gasoline goes further so you don't need to constantly fill up or charge. How many times do you charge your EV? Everyday? You can fillup a gas tank every week. The entire purpose of driving it to go distance. EVs give me range anxiety.
>>533076775Also the problem with solar is the large up front costs. EVs too. I already have an old car paid off for 20 years LMAO. Im not going to spend thousands to save hundreds.
>>533076775All the benifits of EVs are locked behind owning a home. That's why the sentiment shifted from city yuppies loving them to boomers loving them after the aforementioned renters tried it and found EVs don't work so well in an apartment.
>>533056752I wouldn't expect for capitalist golems to cave so hard for a communist country in their own game
>>533056752Chinese products are a meme
>>533077309EVs are a large investment. I don't see the point. The battery storage isn't high enough. They keep saying solid state batteries are coming but where are they?
the writing was on the wall 10 years ago. The fact nobody has done nothing unti it's too late and now they just accept defeat suggests the people who own the japanese industry are the same people who own the chinese industry.Who knows what exactly was in the fine print of Japan's unconditional surrender.
>>533069876>the niggers of asia who keep crying about their grandmother's assholes being blown out after having a train ran on them by imperial japanese soldiers on the sandy beaches of iwo jima are somehow better than the people that taught them how to act like peopleI'll put $5,000 on it that you're a gook and you either live in Beltsville, MD, Annandale, VA or the Downtown LA area.
>>533076909The somewhat onerous captcha system now dampens organic banter and one-liner posting imo, but I have decided to soldier on.
>>533077487Toyota was supposed to come out with a solid state battery ev. Where is it?
>>533062591>Thailand is an island nationlmao
>>533077467They make sense if you own a house and can afford several thousand dollars for solar and the tens of thousands to buy an electric car. Plus another several tens of thousands for another vehicle for when you need range or to tow. You see everyone thinks Elon shifted focus from leftist millennial city bugs to boomers and MAGA was natural but in fact it was planned. He's been running sentiment analysis for many years and saw younger people falling out of love with EVs as the reality hit so he went where the money was.
>>533057055Everything you associate with Japan, barring Shinto, was from China
>>533056943Correct for China bur SK overlook JP for too many things. They have Samsung while japs fucked up their tech industry. It's like they only have anime now
>>533077995Does it even matter considering that the chinese have thrown all of their history into a pit of fire since 1968?
>>533062591Lay off the crack
>>533056943if China was so much better, how did the Japanese manage to invade them?
>>533056752Nobody wants ev'sDumbassLook how shit F1 is because of this suicidal plight Japan should be making electrolytics like gm were in the late 2000s
>>533056752>people buy japanese car because they're cheap and reliable>no longer either>China has new car falling out of their ears>WHY IS CHINA WINNING!!!!???Btw I just want to make it a point that china winning isn't a moral quality.
We need tiny one person cars
WTF CEO of Japan??
>>533066991How much of the electric infrastructure is running on carbon fuel generators?
>>533056752I would never buy a Chinese vehicle let alone when compared to a Honda. This is nothing.
>>533056752very simple..MEK REAL FUCKIN CARS AGAIN AND SELL EM 10K
>>533077081i mean you can get EVs that will take you over 500kms now, and then charge from 10-80% in 6 minutes. sacrifice some charge time, and there's EVs that'll do 800km and charge from 10-80% in 18 minutes.if that doesn't suit your fancy, i can almost guarantee you there will be something in 5 years that will (not that i expect anyone to run out and buy one lol—just saying, EVs are shaping up to soon be better than ICE vehicles in every way, and e.g. the used car market will eventually be affected, but the economics still make sense for so many today)we haven't even seen commercial solid-state batteries yet, but they very significantly improve energy density, charge/discharge rates, and safety.either way, sodium-ion will be mainstream within a few years, and (among other advantages, including safety and utility in the cold) will be very inexpensive compared to existing chemistries.i mean, if you had $10k to invest in panels and LFP batteries PLUS the land to put all the panels on, it'd probably make sense to do it; you'd pay it off pretty quick, in most places.renewables are really amazing today. do not trust the single-use fuel industry, or their politics.
>>533056752kys lying wumao
>>533079395An EV that can go 500 miles will cost 50k. So saving 70 dollars a week on gas isn't worth spending 50k.
>>533062591another gem produced by an american
>>533056752china EV market:>85% state-subsidized>pay suppliers with IOUs (“we'll pay you later”)>underpaid labornobody competes with them just enbargo.
>>533056943>Chinawhich china, because there are at least 3. and i'm talking about the mainland
>>533056752I took a Lyft once and saw there was one of those super fast Teslas, I think it was the Model X, the one that cost like $100k I could pay the deluxe fee to ride in so I did to see what it was all about. I was surprised. It felt like shit to me once I actually rode in one. The build quality felt like a cheap toy. Gonna test drive the Toyota PHEVs. Especially now that the redesign finally made the Prius not look fuckin gay. My mother has always loved the RAV4s as well even way back in the day before electric cars were even a thing. She even loved the little Toyota from when I was an infant I think it was a Tercel. I guess we're a Toyota family at this point. Also fuck the Jews.
>>533057077>Honda, Suzuki and Nissan will die within 5 years>Toyota can survive by size aloneWhy? All the viable markets will just make it illegal to own Chinese cars
>>533077309municipalities can buy solar panels and battery arrays on behalf of their citizens, and provide electricity at reduced rates (or even go a step further and distribute earnings to the citizens, whose money and union made buying the panels possible)>>533080314the ioniq 5 starts at $35k, and it'll do 250 miles and charge 10to80 in 20 minutesit's not worth it to MOST people to run out and drop $35k on a car to save ~6x on fuel costs—but to some people on those merits alone, it might beand if you're in the market for a brand new car anyway, it's immediately very attractive
>>533062591>thailand island nation>let me tell you about their country while already having a wrong first takeLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>533056752>Electric carsNot viable without a MASSIVE increase in capacity and efficiency.
>>533057573>renters are not important in an economy where people can't buy homesThe adults are talking NEET go back to your video games
>>533058866literally Toyota's fault. Look up just in time
>>533068331you can accuse the communists of many thingsmany, many, many thingsthe one thing they don't do is supervillain shit (intentionally), because their entire mandate is based on having put out what was 3 comically evil regimes in qings (who execute people for having the wrong haircut), the kmt (might be the only regime to lose US support due to corruption), and the japanese (whose warcrimes are so numerous that japanese policy against chinese/korean human rights violation is to just smile and nod to this day because they don't want people to start digging).they just outsource the supervillain shit to private enterprises, and even then they try to rein it in.
>>533056752will Japan bail these companies out? too big too fail Nippon style
>>533068790I post with literal trailer trash
>>533082178I live in the mountains. Why is a memeflag always responding to me? You a janny keeping tabs on my IP?Man this site's a shithole
>>533069683LYING ASS FAGGOT!I live in Houston the major metropolis area of Texas and charging stations are only found in UPPER CLASS YUPPIE FAGGOT communities like the heights and downtown areas!90% of the working class dont have the time nor the money for such nonsnesne
>>533056943t. tasteless, soulless mongoloid
>>533057791Don't know about Mazda but Toyota is some bottom of the barrel shit in terms of ride comfort and driving feel.
>>533056752Have no hand in Globalist New World Order in the time of it's slow motion global collapse alongside the world-wide great overwhelming majority, or be defeated. As Infowars and 4chan divinely blow away satan the jew with but a small breeze.
>>533056752Ni-Hao Zhang,why does Xi Jinping fear Sanae Takaichi so much?
>>533056943Current China is the Soviet Union in 1986.
Honda doesnt make a truck, and for that reason alone has no ability to survive in the world of clinging to American market demands
We come here for me. Where deep state gaslights for co-opt and plausible deniability, this chosen word keeps seeing them to defeat. Victory with a capital V.
>>533057492Slow charging is a problem of only a few more years.China already has EVs that charge faster than it takes to pump gas.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/84PGpQhyVSU
>>533056752Slave wages win
>>533056752////THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS OVER>Jewish economist and professor of international affairs Richard Wolff says the American Empire is cooked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUKVMsd7Rgk
>>533056752So what will the Japs pull off as the Chinese equivalent to Pearl Harbor?
America is in managed decline by the jews.
>China makes everything, America makes nothing.
>>533084469They aren't slave wages by local standards. They're reasonably compensated professionals. That's why a lot of the sweatshop work moved to SEA and South Asia.
a ching chong ping pong!
>>533056943Bro, that war was like 4 of your governments ago.
>>533056752EV cars are shit. A good AA rechargeable battery will last 7 years. These EVs are filled with them. Would you buy a guzzaline car that needs a new engine after 5 to 7 years?
>>533057055Wasted digitsI'm as weeb as it gets but I can also recognize that China has an economic and technical advantage right now while Japan is kinda stuck.
>>533056943Japan accomplished more between 1860 and 1900 than China did in its entire history. China is a sweatshop for successful countries and nothing else.
>>533086121Yes EVs are a scam. I am waiting for solid state batteries.
>>533056752what is this odd obsession of electric cars?! NOBODY fucking wants them. just fucking stop it. Nobody wants to buy that trash. Just fucking stop it. Build something people actually fucking want to buy or die. Nobody wants these fucking ticking timebombs in their car garages or on the road next to them.
Retard thread. EV's are not the future. Toyota is doing well expressly because they didnt go all in on the EV fad like a lot of retard companies did.
>>533086121>>533087281The main point of electric vehicles is virtue-signaling to let everyone around you know how much you care about the environment and how much of a good person you are because of this
>>533057077We absolutely need Toyota to survive so they can keep selling those absolute kino white Hilux Pickups to insurgent groups around the middle eastYou're not a proper middle-eastern insurgent if you aren't riding into battle in a brand new white Toyota Hilux with a 50cal mounted on the truck bed
>>533086121EVs use prismatic, and cylindrical cells with both NMC and LFP chemistry (and Na-Ion, but that's upcoming). as for cylindricals cells, they probably rarely use 18650s for EVs now, but certainly 21700s, 4680s, 4695s, etc.these cells are exceedingly powerful, and energy-dense. they are leaps and bounds better than any 1.5v battery, certainly inclusive of AAs, and can usually be recharged at least 1000 times (i believe currently up to 10,000 times, in some LFP batteries; if you're charging from empty once daily, that's roughly 27 years of nonstop daily use).
>>533056943Why aren't there lots of people moving to live in china? Moving their families there, their entire lives there? Why doesn't this happen?
>>533088113it's pretty much impossible to become a chinese citizen
>>533087669Yeah if you place a green leaf logo on the car maybe you can convince me.
>>533084247China has new infrastructure. We can barely keep our shit together. We're not going to see 1500W chargers without a massive trillion dollar energy rebuilding program with nuclear reactors
>>533057545The return of the Zaibatsu.
>>533056752>Getting good at EVNo one can get good at EVs because when they started with EVs, everyone was already shit at making CARS.What these faggots sell is Overpriced inaccessible bloatware bound by safety regulations lobbied into legislation by the very same automotive/insurance cartel in order to monopolize the market forever.Call me back when they get back to making DURABLE and AFFORDABLE and DESIRABLE modes of TRANSPORTATION.As of now, cars are on the threshold of becoming a liability and there's ZERO chance of anyone rolling back any previous undesirable condition.
>>533089187Amen. Cars haven't been good since spark ignition swindled everyone.
>>533071968Its just those pesky oil wars that kill millions unnecessarily.
>>533089438Tired of all these 1pbtid cucks that just drop the fucking worst takes in the world and then flee.
>>533062512He's not wrong, BYD unironically uses slave labour
>>533057055
>>533057093nice mom car FAG
>>533089509Oil is active. Solar is passive.The MIC need the excitement of the active, they thrive when they have a job to do. Their job, and that of many politicians depends on maintaining stress in those fields. This much is obvious. How about let the world go the rational route and buy into solar, while the Americans can use their own oil. Just the tankers alone, not being there would bring a lot less pollution, for one example.The world is moving on, without you it seems.
>>533057234tehee.
>>533089949>The world is moving onLol. Bon voyage, retard.
>>533056752Nobody actually wants an electric car though. So it that really a wise business strategy
>>533090031You cant fight solar. Who will you be impressing?
>>533090086Jesus, you're pathetic.
>>533089931Try driving anything bigger than that on our ancient roads retard
>>533090224>retardWow rude much???
>>533090167Getting tired of these two posts cucks
>>533091007Go cry about it, fag.
>>533062221Japan has conquered China before lol.
>>533066991>Americans
>>533056943>ziggers are still butthurt over losing to japan 100 years ago
>>533067287Yes we will. We just need to steal from thirdies, no biggie.
>>533088175ThisAlso, the power of a nation isn't always correlated to the happiness of the average Joe.
>>533087501toyota is doing well because they've typically been highly dependable (considering how complex ICE cars are), and people took notice long ago.but EVs are much more simple to make dependable than more mechanical cars. and they're much better for the environment, and for us (gasoline alone is nasty stuff, truly).there is no problem that EVs are known for having that isn't being worked out at impressive rates>>533090167do you get paid by an oil company to post? i mean, truly, solar is kicking ass and taking names. cost per kilowatt has gone down to as low as £0.02 in the UK, and that was last year (and that's solar, in the UK! not e.g. the US!). it's getting cheaper, all the time.and i mean yeah objectively speaking it takes way less effort to run any scale of solar farm than an oil rigalso trans rights now, bozo
>>533091353>solar is kicking ass and taking names.Lmao
>>533058866Jews
>>533091161>We just need to steal from thirdiesWho, Norway?Operation Ukraine isn't going too well.
>>533057093We've been telling Mercedes that for a decade now and yet they rather partnered with VW to lobby the whole EU instead of just gettin gud.With boomers you loose.
>>533091161As if. France and other European nations are gone as a presence in the clusterfuck that is Africa, and are buttmad about it.However.If anyone, let's say Italy, tries to get Lybia and thus favor the Eurozone, we'd be immediately sabotaged instead of helped.
>>533067379Jews wanted profit and fuck whites.over
>>533067684>ford will be brought out by the ChineseWhy on earth would they buy a failing automaker with garbage products and outdated factory machinery? They have zero need for Ford.
He may have included those words in a sentence, yes. But you’ve taken them out if context to cope post. *China has NEVER manufactured any car. Ever. Not once. Not a real car. They cannot do things like that because they are chinese.They have only ever put batteries in moulded kits. As part of a huge finance scam. They cannot sell them as they are garbage, they cannot even give them away as you would not want one, toy cars only fit for poos & wangs. There are now so many of them over produced filling fields decaying in the weather that they can be seen from space. This is how every micro penis and street shitter tyranny cuck retard copes. And this is how globo’s scammers roll, reuters many lying mouths and any corrupt media who can be paid with chinas benefits money (we all pay them humanitarian aid on the grounds that they are one of the most backwards nations) to tell the BIG LIE propaganda stories. China does not have ultra fast cars so that claim isn’t plausible its just funny, china has only toy cars. But ones with no moving parts because chinese can’t do moving parts. You see china is hidden from your view, they are officially the worlds biggest liars, no chink trusts any other chink EVER. Globo scam using their chinky slaves and with Asian penis cucks to repeat globo’s lies fools who believe the media tells the truth fall for the scams very easily. If only you knew how far behind shitholes like india and pakistan and many African countries china really is you’d giggle like i do at this complete arse shite.
>>533063869>Better hope China is a benevolent hegemon Historically, they have been extremely chill to their neighbours during long dynastic periods (we don’t talk about Korea). They would just chill in the Middle Kingdom doing Chinese shit, taking tribute and selling their goods (whenever some deranged emperor didn’t ban sea travel). There was always a little conquering but the vast majority was campaigns into steppe people lands because they were tired of horse archer niggers CONSTANTLY fucking with them. Nothing even remotely close to Europeans wholesale settlement of every place inhabited by Stone Age retards.
*magic batteries*futuristic robots*ultra fast cars A few of the many lies of the worlds biggest liars.
>>533091404solar is the cheapest form of energy generation for most of the world and multiple studies confirm thishttps://www.surrey.ac.uk/news/solar-energy-now-worlds-cheapest-source-power-surrey-study-findshttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-41971-7/figures/4 (click "back to article page" for parent study)now, one of the biggest industries in the world is predicated on selling you single-use fuels.they have successfully propagated your views. they waste billions of the dollars that we pay them on sowing disinfo. they build disinfo industries, and careers. they're one of the world's biggest leeches.fuck the fossil fuel industry.
>>533092144Drone on, dipstick.
business idea:nips should enter Edo 2.0 and completely isolate while the globohomo gay nigger earth destroys itself. their population will drop to a sustainable level and they can peacefully weather the storm then emerge as another based imperial power when the time comes
>>533067379It's not shortsightedness, it's deliberate. By making everyone interdependent, the kikes who run international trade and finance like a criminal cartel can instantly shut down any country that gets too uppity to them. White autarky is an existential threat to them. That's why your supply chain is globalised.
>>533056943>ChinaChinese scientists use AI to recreate faces of people from the great Qin Shi Huang eraThe reconstructed woman's features include large, round eyes and thin, yet long eyebrows.Her lips are also slightly thicker than those of modern Chinese women.The research team estimates that she was buried around the age of 20, having been a member of Qin Shi Huang's harem or a court lady.The man, on the other hand, has thick eyebrows and a long, large nose. His eyes are single-lidded and slightly droopy.He is believed to have been one of the royal family members executed on a large scale by the emperor who succeeded Qin Shi Huang, and analysis suggests that he was around 30 years old at the time of his death.However, some have raised doubts about the accuracy of the analysis, as the reconstructed face looks more similar to Westerners than to Han Chinese.https://roboteer-tokyo.com/archives/13121kek
>>533092234Cool I hope they deport your ass while they do that David kun
>>533057077Suzuki will be fine. They make cute cars. Not expensive.
>>533092269You need your eyeballs checked if you think this is remotely European. Stop trying to we wuz emperor of China n shieet, it’s pathetic.
>>533057385yep, i done got done in,"FUCK CHYNA" means something very different to this old haole. she got a purtty tight little cornhole tho, yessir.
>>533092378they don't look like modern Chinese eitherthat was the whole point, Mohamed
>>533092490Retard you could easily find a million Chinese who look similar to that, it’s not even a stretch. Or do you think it’s all one homogenous mass of generic hanoids?
>>533067577You don't own property in china. you rent the land for up to 70 years.
>>533092621What happens if you stop paying your land taxes (rent to the state) jeetleaf?
>>533092171you have to be kidding meyou'd rather buy and burn the single-use fuel that pollutes? that costs extra money? why? because media exists which depicts big men, supporting oil?with the money you save and guys you put into a tough spot by switching to electric, you could hire big men to wrestle in oil for you! i was worried that i wouldn't be able to reach through to you, but now i'm confident you'll have to switch!
Wow who woudl've thought that outsourcing all your labout to get 'cheap goods' for boomers to buy while industrialising a competitor nation who is homogenous and run by a dictator and willing to steal patents would backfire on us all.I'm very very firm in my belief that all of China's "Taiwan" posturing has been a red herring and they're really training for landing on the shores of Australia and to take it over with ships that unload swarms of micro ai brained drones.China will take Australia, have an ocean protected landmass with no faultlines, all the uranium and iron it needs for producing everything and then becoming the first Ultrapower nation. The key to China's dominance is not Taiwan, it's Australia and then by proxy NZ. Once it controls the entire Asia region America is completely fucked.I hope the boomers are happy they trained their golem China well to destroy them.
>>533092749I don't read these posts.
>>533092815the best part would be, each beefy guy professing that they're glad to not be slaving away the best years of their life on a deadly rig anymore, and they much prefer putting on shows for you :^)
>>533093147Again, I don't read these posts. My ideology is the dominant one. You acting like a fag on a board no one visits is inconsequential.
>>533056943Japan is civilized. China is an insectoid hive.
>>533092676Xi Jinping shows up and blows a load in your butt
