Im near my 30s and want to find a trad religious wife already. Im not very fond of Catholicism because i dont like mass (i used to go when a kid) and the priests are all obviously gays and pederasts. Not to mention all the imagery, which contradicts the Bible.What should i do, /pol/broskis? Every evangelical i know is a fanatical for Israel, its fucking weird.
>>533065216>because i dont like masshave you been to the real Catholic Mass, from before the Vatican II council?
>>533065216Orthodox, nothing less is worth it
>>533065216Orthodoxy in Brazil is growing just as fast as it is in the USA
>>533065306I dont have a timetravel machine, broski
>>533065216also Orthodoxy is the absolute farthest point on the compass from Zionism
>>533065447>>533065216forgot linkhttps://youtu.be/dN735UmzPHo?si=AEAGfXpWg0753oOR
>>533065447As far as i know theres no orthodox churches in my city and the only orthodox(xians?) here in Brazil are syrian not russians
>>533065216>>533065503https://youtu.be/MTTFwZb3o68https://youtu.be/wOLWbx7l-gI
>>533065394Look up the SSPX and FSSP and "Traditional Latin Mass"who knows, you might like it
>>533065651Orthodoxy is not just Russia. Look up specifically "Eastern Orthodox" churches.Some syrians/arabic speakers are of the Patriarchate of Antioch (yes, the ancient church of Antioch in the Bible)yet some Syriac "orthodox" are not part of Eastern Orthdoxy and separated. Do your research
>>533065216>Is there any way to join a christian community without being a jewish/Israel dicksucker?No
>>533065216protestantism is a reversion to jewish practice and is therefore always cuckedorthodoxy is a state religion and is therefore always cuckedgo Catholic or nothing
>>533066040not a state religion in Brazil, nor in USA. Nor Antioch or Alexandria either. Nor ROCOR. etc etc
>>533066165>disregard doubtsWouldn't a just god want you to subject your beliefs to scrutiny? After all, if you examine them and they prove to be true, you'll have much more ammunition to convert people than "just trust me bro"
>>533066353I wonder why a cult based on desert tales would tell people to disregard doubts
>>533065216Catholicism
>>533066441Exactly, it's just cult manipulation tactics
>>533066353In this quote he means Satanic doubts, unreasonable and illogical intrusive thoughts, called "logismoi", attacks of the evil one that cause doubt and despondency and loss of peace. He doesn't say not to ask questions.
>>533065216Jus KYS It's the only way>I'm near my 30s>I want a trad religious wifeYou lostJust KYS
>>533065939Nietzsche's philosophy in practice is Modern China and he was a seething pollack made at Germans for hating jews btw faggot.
>>533066474Id be lying to myself and dishonoring the catholic church by trying to fake being a catholicIm pro protestantism, i just dont like the way they view jews
>>533066520Can you provide some context to prove that's what he means? Because the average person reading this isn't going to come away thinking that
>>533065216You're a fag
>>533066829(You)
>>533066684Nothing in Orthodoxy is hidden. This is not Gnosticism. Everything we have is able to be studied for the course of our spiritual life and success in spiritual warfare. Growth is encouraged. Necessarily that involves questions. It's really not a problem, we can ask our priests anything, especially things that weigh on our hearts and cause doubt. We have 2000 years of understanding of common hangups to help people through.
>>533065216Martin Luther says hello.
>>533067053So... now you're saying we're NOT supposed to disregard doubts, but explore them? Seems like the exact opposite of what you originally said
>>533067625Questions are not unreasonable Satanic doubts.
>>533067956That sounds like a distinction without a differenceHow is the layman to know what is the line between the two?And if SOME questions are "satanic and unreasonable" ( as you call them), and therefore forbidden, how does that fit in with being able to ask your preists "anything?"
>>533068425>How is the layman to know what is the line between the two?you ask your spiritual father, bro. You're not in this alone.You're asking questions completely out of context, shooting in the dark about something you know absolutely nothing about. Relax. The Church would not have flourished for 2000 years creating Saints if it didn't have this type of basic thing downpat.
>>533068425Anon, that quote is translated from another language (Russian, I think). And the quote is incomplete and translated. I don't even think it's unclear to any Christian either (Orthodox or not). He compares "doubts" to "lustful and blasphemous thoughts." Then goes on to say they come from the devil. So it is clear the sort of doubt he is referring to. To suggest he's teaching to never ask questions based on this quote is absurd. You're just hyper-fixating on one word.As for your question about layman, they're unlikely to read this snippet of a quote from this one Elder without every interacting with Christian doctrine. You're essentially making up some rare scenario in your head all based around your misunderstanding of one word. Chill out.
>>533066563this. what do you have to lose OP.life is a fucking trip you don’t want.you won’t want to talk to these people.give up bro, there is no one left to trust.lie down on the train tracks…
>>533065216How about you just become a based atheist and not worship kikes and pedophiles?
>>533065216>Every evangelical i know is a fanatical for IsraelAbraham type shit. They're all like that.
>>533069049Atheist women are by far the most whorish. OP specifically said he wants a traditional wife. He didn't say he wanted actually convert btw.
>>533065216They are Zionists, read about that
>>533065503>>533065447>>533065310>>533065359>>533065892indeed it's almost the best choice for midwitsi'm saying "almost" because a lot of orthodoxy revolves around shitting on catholicism and sucking their own dick about how superior they arebut as OP already does those things he'll fit right in
>>533065310>>533068669Why all these nibbas calling naming themselves "angels"? Seraph is singular for the highest class of angel. Seraphim is the plural. Calling oneself "highest angels" as a monk name seems kind of arrogant methinks. They're event saints too, wow
>>533065216>want to find a trad religious wifeBe prepared to fail or be cucked lol
>>533065216All christcucks are jewish dicksuckers. Prots suck dick daily, Caths suck dick on weekends only.
>>533069426Seraphim is just a name. Christians when we are Baptized take the names of Saints as patrons. Angels re some of the greatest Saints of course... Which is why people are named Michael and Gabriel.
>>533069636You seem to be the expert on cocksucking, Moishe.
>>533069426it's just a namethe real mystery lies in the fact that every eastern orthodox country is an utter shithole with nothing to its name... yet they have the Greatest Religion of them All
>>533065216>evangelicalsworst than niggers
>>533065216>Every evangelical i know is a fanatical for IsraelWell there's your problem. I'm gonna let you in on a theological fact that I think is still gestating in the greater Christian Zeitgeist. The popular opinion is that there are three major branches of Christianity: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. Of course everybody recognizes there are other bodies like the Assyrians and the Oriental Orthodox, but those are the big three that have a global presence. I propose to you that there is in fact a fourth emerging branch of global Christianity: American Evangelicalism. Many people conflate it with Protestantism, but I reject that notion. Protestantism is a squarely defined set of traditions that were defined during the Protestant Reformation of the 1500s, and include Lutheranism, Calvinism (ie Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, etc), and Anglicans (Episcopalians and Methodists). They are defined by having a well documented lineage through Western Christianity and adhere to strict confessional doctrines such as the Book of Concord for Lutherans and the Westminster Confession of Faith for the Reformed.American Evangelicalism does not qualify within these definitions. Protestants may not have as rigid church bodies as the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox but they DO have rigid doctrine and they DO have church bodies. This is in contrast to American Evangelicalism, which is utterly without any broader structure of church governance. They also lack any confessional documents, preferring a Solo Scriptura approach rather than a Protestant Sola Scriptura approach.My advice? Stick with an established confessional Protestant church. Protestant churches are either not confessional (faggy) or confessional (based). For you in Brazil, I suggest any church affiliated with IELB (Igreja Evangélica Luterana do Brasil).
>>533065651Orthodox is Eastern by nature. Catholicism is Western Orthodoxy.
>>533065216You can just go to church and talk to them about Jews and they will probably just ignore it but they will still accept you in the church regardless. Just don’t be a sperg about it.
>>533069982>Which is why people are named Michael and GabrielGabriel means "God is my man". Michael is asking "who is like God?". Neither of these are arrogant because they ascribe greatness to God only. Calling oneself after the highest class of angel is not normal for any Christian society I'm familiar with except for orthodox monksFrom what I've observed usually those with lofty names are the most cursed people. Look at how Indians directly name themselves after the deities they worship. Seraphim isn't quite as bad as that I suppose but it's close
As far as I know there's no thriving global protestant sect thats not fucked. The mainline ones are liberalising rapidly and dying fast, then you've got ones like the Amish who are technically growing but only in highly specific regions
>>533070290Absolutely untrue. Orthodoxy is the faith, not culture. England and Ireland were Orthodox for 500 years. Rome was Orthodox for 1000 years. St Patrick is an Orthodox Saint.
>>533070290Great Orthodox Pope of Rome before the Pope 500 years later did exactly what he warned about
>>533070450There are like 4 dudes in my parish in the USA named Seraphim. Most of them after these Saints like Seraphim of Sarov.
>>533065216>What should i do, /pol/broskis? Every evangelical i know is a fanatical for Israel, its fucking weird.The only place is a real White town with actual protestant churches and not Evangelicals. I live in such a White town, there are 4 Protestant churches, 2 of them built in the 1800s.Also: fuck off, we're full.
>>533065216nigger, you are from brazil, kill youself and do a favor to the White raceA shitskin less is less crime and help to fight global warming
>>533065216I’m Protestant and I hate jews, trannies and browns.
>>533065216>What should i do, /pol/broskis?become a muslim
>>533070616>Also: fuck off, we're full.Thats not very christian of you
>>533070456>>533070508Yeah and then the schism happened and they split into Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Orthodox) Christianity.
>>533070863They did not "split". The Patriarchate jurisdiction of Rome left the Church. The other 4 Patriarchates (Jerusalem, Constantinople, Antioch, Alendaria), and the entire rest of the Christian world at the time, is still together today.
>>533071022>Alendaria*Alexandria. wow. I don't know hwo that got butchered so badly, sorry.
>>533065767How does that defeat the Pharisees?
>>533065216You can be mainline protestant, you don’t have to lick between catholic or evangelical
>>533065216>>533070274If you are trying to avoid images entirely, I suggest the IBP, or the Presbyterian Church of Brazil. Like all Calvinists, they are iconoclasts and are deeply conservative, plus they're relatively big so you should be able to find one of their churches relatively easily. As a Lutheran I personally am not an iconoclast but you do you.
>>533071144wdym?
>>533065216No, you must be Catholic
>>533070858As long as you don't mind living surrounded by multiple Amish communities with horses shitting on the road occasionally, Whites with more guns than they have bedrooms in their home who leave their doors unlocked throughout the night, in a walkable quiet town with multiple fresh food markets and the oldest church bell ringing throughout the day, you can come.Just volunteer at the food halls, don't cause crime and you'll probably get along fine.
>>533065216At 30 you should understand there are no trad religious wives of any sort
>>533071290>IconclastFunny he seems to be open to orthodox but cant find a church near him
>>533070456How very Muslim of you, inshallah
>>533065216Why are protestant communities so diverse..?
A better question is why do we, as Christians, still allow the Bible to be printed with the old testament at the front, a Jewish book, when it should be just a bibliography to let us know the context Jesus and the Apostles grew up in.
>>533065216>is there anyway to worship a literal kike god rabbi without being cucked to jews both materially and spiritually?
>>533071602Sola Scriptura, this doctrine turns every single individual protestant into his own Pope, his own ultimate authority, and he is free to lead himself astray into believing anything and rejecting what he doesn't like
>>533071712A lot of denominations do treat it as a mostly unimportant series of background texts though
all the pastors are creepy ziopredator grifters in protestant churches lmaostop trying to find meaning in abrahamic cult jew traps
>>533071882That's not how it works at all. Sola Scriptura simply means the scriptures are the highest authority and the only authority that is infallible. The church and traditions of the church have authority, but that authority is subject to the authority of the scriptures. To say Protestants believe that the bible is the only authority is like saying the Supreme Court is the only court that has any authority. Tradition is an authority but it's a lesser, fallible authority.
>>533071882Everyone has freedom of conscience. How horrible this sounds to control freaks
The Orthodox push in the west has it's roots in russian subversionthis isn't organic and has been going on full steam for a few years nowdon't get brainwashed, this is still kike shitall abrahamic religions are kike shit
>>533071484>Not to mention all the imagery, which contradicts the Bible.I'm just going by what he said.
>>533065216Try witnesses, the other day a couple of them stopped me with "do you know who's controlling the world?" and started ranting about kikes and the US kek.
>>533065216Politics and religion are supposed to be separate.
>>533072101>>533072108The result practically though is 40,000+ disintegrating groups who can't agree. That doesn't sound like the Holy Spirit leading you into "all truth" [The Gospel according to St John 16:13] nor does it sound like "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God" [St Paul's letter to the Church in Ephesus 4:5-6]
>>533066040I'll only go Catholics when their Priests are allowed to marry. I don't need some child toucher telling me why my marriage is falling apart. These fools need to touch grass instead of kids
>>533070863>>533071022not really, at one point what we today call "orthodox" woke up, took their toys, and went away to fuse with nationalism... that's why they are so intertwined with their national governments, something christianity was established to avoid...it's quite funny how each communist country put "democratic" in their official title, while being anything but... so others put "orthodox" in their title, to convince those for whom words matter more than deeds
>>533072599that's excellent news anon: the absolute dedication of priests to their office keeping you and your pederast fantasies away
>>533065216No, and to be brutally honest with you man, i would rather be beat with a two-by-four than go to an evangelical zionist dispensationalist church, and theyre the only ones around, as im in the rural south. Honestly i feel like i have more in common with the white norse pagans i know than the average boomer churchgoer. I am christian, and i am loyal, very much so, but i do not and will not go to any church, its just depressing and performative.
>>533072620How is the Patriarchate of Antioch, located in Damascus, Syria, a Muslim nation, "fused with natioanlism" when I go to an Orthodox Church in the Antiochian Patriarchate in the USA halfway across the world?Memeflag.
>>533072435The same book that said there are 40,000 Protestant Denominations said there are 200 Roman Catholic ones.
>>533065216No, because christianity is about worshiping and sucking off the jews. Read the bible.
>>533072761I would like to go to a monastery full of autistic male virgin nuns wearing brown robes who live their lives in seclusion and have very strong opinions about how people should dress and behave
>>533072836Please don't dismiss interaction with my point by moving the goalposts on account of numbers, anon. It is being dishonest with yourself.
>>533072731Priests were banned from marrying so they wouldn't inherit and accumulate property. Everything else was rationalization after the fact
>>533072820do you even believe the words you are juggling or is it like a robotic act?anyway, I recommend you live at least a decade in a christian orthodox shithole country before playing the useful idiot
>>533073063>the fact that they are not exposed to a hag daily is not a reality but "rationalization"do you even listen to yourself?
>>533065216My church doesn’t praise jews. Also, you can start your own church. Just saying.
>>533065216We have this thing called Baptist and hardly any of them even go to church.
>>533065216These denominations that dunk people in jacuzzis in front of an audience to baptize them are fake Christians.
>>533073004How is it goalpost moving? You claim that Protestantism cannot be true because it is divided, yet the same source you cite claims the Roman Catholic Church is also divided. Indeed, even the Eastern Orthodox have schismed and divided. If the liturgy is the religion, as the Orthodox claim, than the Eastern Orthodox have schismed from the Old Calendarists when they changed their calendar.
>>533073230>Also, you can start your own church. Just saying.sorry anon nobody wants another calvinism
>>533065216You need to join a denomination that's directly linked to the Reformation and still holds to the confessions of faith from that period of time. This would be Presbyterians, Reformed, Lutheran, Anglican, and Reformed Baptists. These should all reject Dispensationalism, which is the heresy that causes the Israel worship you're talking about. All of these groups have large liberal denominations, though, so you have to find one that is still orthodox. I don't know what the situation is in Brazil but this too difficult in America.
What a special moment. The pastor bangs hookers in that dirty hot tub on his off days.
>>533065216Join the Lutheran church. We're built off Jew hate.
>>533073482Departing from the Church is not "dividing". You can leave the true faith, but it does not change the true faith, which independent of whether you as an individual are part of it or not. The point you are avoiding is that not all protestant denominations can be the true church.People who deny that there is such a thing as the "true church" are in denial of the concept of truth itself. The reason multiple groups that each call themselves "church" exist is because they believe different things. Someone has to be correct. Christ promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. He didn't say "churches". Christ only has one body, and the Church is described as the Body of Christ, of which Jesus is the head of that body. The Holy Spirit leads us into "all truth" not fracturing and division and disagreement. The Church is described as the "pillar and foundation of truth" [St Paul's letter to Timothy, chapter 3:15]. How do we reconcile these? This means consequently that the true Church has the true faith, and that there can only be one Church as Christ only has one body.
>>533065216I have posted this before but I go to a large evangelical church, like they gave us the numbers for attendance last Sunday and it was well over 100,000, and I have never once heard a word about israel or the jews except as background for the bible. Even the old testament barely makes an appearance. It’s all “god is amazing, surrender to god, have a personal relationship with jesus, discover your purpose in life”. That’s it. That’s the only message. Sometimes I go to a smaller church with friends, probably about 10,000 weekly attendance. Same message. Only message.I don’t know where they find these jew loving cults for the White House prayers and the videos that get posted here but they are extreme outliers that do not represent christianity as a whole in the least bit.
>>533073625>Presbyterians, ReformedThese are basically the same thing, by the way, and they should be in communion with each other. Presbyterianism is the branch of Calvinism (properly called Reformed Theology) stemming from the British Isles, and Reformed is the branch stemming from continental Europe.
>>533072108What gets me about Roman Catholic people online is that they accuse Protestants of using personal discretion as if it's some kind of sin. The poor use of personal interpretation and discretion can lead to sin, certainly, but the very decision to be a Christian at all is a matter of personal interpretation of the facts presented to you. You can either accept Christ or deny Christ. Being a Roman Catholic too is a matter of personal interpretation. You have to examine Rome's claims and interpret them to be true. You cannot escape personal interpretation. The entire life of a Christian exists because of personal interpretation of the facts.
>>533066353Niggas will say some gay nerd shit like this and then spend hours watching self-help videos to try to be more of a chad who isn't held back by doubt.
>>533073646>"we're built on it!">*condemns their own church founders book on the subject*
>>533073159WTF are you talking about? Hag daily? Do you hear yourself?
>>533065216Follow Christ first. don't worry about being based
>>533073912That's correct. The ideal situation for Catholics is one in which they can use the state to kill anyone who opposes them, and thus they become the only form of Christianity that exists, thus eliminating the need for you to think about any of this. When they can't use the state to massacre people this way, it splinters like anything else.
>>533074235you can do both in Orthodoxy
>>533073912>personal discretionwhat kind of dogwhistle is this?>rest of the postyeah, formulating a written Catechism was kinda retarded, especially since there were close to zero heretical priests in the whole history of Catholicismbut other than that you have a very distorted view of Catholicism, probably because you are expecting somebody to tell you what to do and the Catholic priest didn't want to tell you that EVEN THOUGH YOU BEGGED HIM SO MUCHI'm joking but I have no clue what's wrong with you
>>533073671Good. Now we're reaching substantial arguments. We Protestants do love our patristic arguments after all, it's a strong suit. The overwhelming majority of church fathers hold the same concept of the invisible church as Protestants do, understanding that St. Peter's confession of faith was the rock on which the church was built, not St. Peter himself. The true church is invisible, it is not comprised of a visible institution. The one true church that Jesus Christ founded is comprised of all good and faithful believers. Who is good and faithful? We turn to the scriptures to determine the matter, since the church fathers agreed that it was the scriptures, not tradition nor patriarch, that determine orthodoxy. >"There comes a heathen and says, I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose? How shall we answer him? Each of you asserts, 'I speak the truth!' No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule." John ChrysostomVery interesting that he does not point to Pope nor patriarch, but the holy scriptures as the final judge.
>>533074136yes and you convinced me that you are a hag, seething because hags like you can't manipulate Catholic priests
>>533074339>potemkin village strikes again!stop exploiting Jesus
Presbyterian, Lutheran, Anglican. I'm not sure if they are widespread in Brazil and if they are socially conservative, they tend to be socially liberal in the usa. You're 30, leave young Christian girls to the young Christian guys. You missed your chance. Get a reformed single mother your own age.
>>533074081Protestantism is inherently anti-semitic, certainly moreso than Roman Catholicism. Vatican II expressly states that Jews hold some level of merit because they obey the laws of God. The entire premise of Lutheranism is that the law can only ever damn you, and as such the Jews hold absolutely no merit whatsoever anymore than a Hindu or a Pagan. >Vatican II doesn't count!Why not? It's an ecumenical council of the Roman Catholic Church, which the Roman Catholic Church teaches are infallible in all matters of faith and morals. All Roman Catholics must believe the teachings of Vatican II.
>>533074672>Catholic views on marriage in a nutshellQED
>>533065216NoChristianity at it's core is jewish. it is a foreign desert religion.
>>533074792>reformed single mother your own ageimpossible for OP, single mothers in brazil are all witcheshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_spiritism_in_Brazili've seen statistics where over 30% of country subscribed to hardcore spiritism/chanelling that would put pentecostals to shame
>>533074652St John Chrysostom was Patriarch of Constantinople.The "invisible church" idea has no bearing on my point about the fact that all these different churches have wildly different beliefs.
>>533074913not all catholic men are priests but I appreciate your optimism
>>533065216Dude literally become an Eastern Orthodox Christian it's the only legit and authentic Christianity out there, they're the actual catholics as catholic itself is a greek word. Married priests btw
>>533065216be a mennonite or something
>>533075074>The "invisible church" idea has no bearing on my point about the fact that all these different churches have wildly different beliefs.Oh but it does. The Council of Hieria (754), which had more bishops than Nicea II, rejected image veneration entirely. Nicea II declared that anyone who rejects icon veneration is anathema. Are all of those bishops at the Council of Hieria in hell? Irenaeus and Hippolytus described the use of sacred images as a practice of heretics. Are they in hell? Clement of Alexandria wrote: “Works of art cannot then be sacred and divine.” Lactantius wrote: “There is no religion wherever there is an image... because there can be nothing heavenly in that which is made on earth.” It's funny because these saints seem to have a wildly different opinion than you, specifically.
>>533065216>Im near my 30s and want to find a trad religious wife already.Well at least your brazilian, if you were from a white country I'd jsut fuckin' laugh at you because those type of women are prettymuch long gone
>>533075388>actual brain parasite victim
>>533065216Zionism is from reading a scoviles bible. They literaly read comments on bible from some 19 century scam artist funded by jews and claim its holly text.>>533065306Whats so different about mass. All main things like altar are there. It really depends on a priest. >>533065310Yea because Bysantine emperor that killed thousands of poeple is a saint.Particulary cruel Serbian ruller that killed his brother and lived sinful life is also a saint because he built churches duh. Ortodoxy is a joke.
>>533075484My brother. These canonical Church Fathers that you cite were vestments-wearing, incense-swinging, Holy Ordained, real Flesh and Blood Eucharist-eating, Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary praying, Icon-kissing, prostration bowing, Orthodox Christians.Compare that to an evangelical megachurch, or an LGBT Reformed Presbyterian congregation. You can't.
>>533074884You dont have to belive shit as a catolic. Pope is a man not a god. Protestants in your country are not lutheran they are calvinists (worship money) or insane baptists that worship jews. If americans were lutheran jews would be pickimg cotton instead of niggers.
>>533075524Christians are not pacifists. It's very simple, please read picrel.
>>533075512you'll be dust in a hundred years while the Divine Liturgy goes on the same way it has been since the 3rd centruy, we see within our own lives how every system, religion, and ideology changes, meanwhile what Christ actually established at Pentecost remains the same>Christ is Risen actually
>>533075524indeedin orthodox countries they declare themselves 80 to 99% orthodox yet they have infinite tolerance for gypsy behavior and most of them behave like gypsies already (having learned from them since a young age)>>533075749hypocritical faggot
>>533075676>These canonical Church Fathers that you cite were vestments-wearing, incense-swinging, Holy Ordained, real Flesh and Blood Eucharist-eating, Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary praying, Icon-kissing, prostration bowing, Orthodox Christians.And yet they do not teach as you teach. They do not believe what you believe. In fact if the Second Council of Nicea is true, which you as an Eastern Orthodox Christian MUST affirm that is is, than you affirm that all iconoclasts are burning in hell, anathema, separated from the church. Hippolytus, Clement, Irenaeus, all of them and more were iconoclasts and as such per the Second Council of Nicea not even Christian at all. This is the contradiction of Eastern Orthodoxy. We see no solid signs of icon veneration until the 6th century, yet the Second Council of Nicea claims that it is, and I quote exactly, "an apostolic tradition." Yet it is not an apostolic tradition! We have absolutely no evidence the apostles or anyone within the apostolic era venerated icons. Therefore, the Second Council of Nicea was wrong about icon veneration, and if the Second Council of Nicea is wrong about icon veneration, the Orthodox tradition is not infallible and is this wrong.
>>533075811>posting same graph the other brain parasite victim posted here >>533071022thanks for confirming the diagnosis
>>533075811>Christ is Risen actuallylast week actuallyupdate your calendar, you are making a fool of yourself
>>533076263I don't think you are well represented in the Fathers. We have to be careful not to cherrypick quotes from the Saints (and a lot of protestants use non-Saints often) in much the same way one might cherrypick Bible verses to support your own opinion. This is just an extension of Sola Scriptura mindset. My point about reminding you that St John Chrysostom was the Patriarch of Constantinople was that he didn't just have his own random opinions. He held firm boundaries of what the Church is and what the Church isn't, and who is or isn't joined to the Body of Christ, regardless of a quote you can summon about him referring to the Scriptures out of context of his position and the history and reality of the Church.
>>533075720>You dont have to belive shit as a catolicThe entire premise of Roman Catholicism is that you must affirm everything the Roman Magisterium affirms, which is its own can of worms. The beauty of Protestantism is that it is uniquely equipped in the field of self-auditing. The entire premise of the Protestant Reformation was that the church can err, and we as Christians must always be auditing ourselves to ensure we are not drifting from orthodoxy. One of the great strengths of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy is that they are both highly resistant to novelty, but their fatal flaw is that once novelty enters their dogma they are absolutely incapable of purging it. Once a matter becomes holy tradition in the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Magisterium affirms it in the Roman Catholic Church, that's it. There's no going back. There is no mechanism for undoing the damage. Protestant traditions are the only ones capable of self-auditing and walking back on errors. All those faggot infested Protestant churches might be redeemed one day. Unlikely, but certainly possible. The second the Vatican makes a statement on something? No going back.
>>533076461Christ is Risen always for #1#2 Gregorian calander is leap year slop and goes against the Patristic calander of the ChurchThe new passover was always celebrated after the first full moon of spring which is crucially after the date of the old covenant's passoverlatins made it uniform, same sunday of aprilthe orthodox catholic Church follows the custom of the first millenium of Chirstianity
>>533076627>"There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source." Hippolytus of Rome>"Believe me not in whatsoever I shall simply deliver, unless thou find the things which I shall speak, demonstrated out of the holy Scriptures.” Cyril of Jerusalem>"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of Scripture." St. Basil>"Whatever is not supported by the testimony of Scripture we reject as false.” Gregory of Nyssa>"Do not, I beg you, bring in human reason. I shall yield to Scripture alone." Theodoret of Cyrus>"The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth." St. Athanasius>"As to all other writings, in reading them, however great the superiority of the authors to myself in sanctity and learning, I do not accept their [other bishops] teaching as true on the mere ground of the opinion being held by them; but only because they have succeeded in convincing my judgment of its truth either by means of these canonical writings themselves, or by arguments addressed to my reason.” AugustineCorrect. He did not have random opinions. Nor do I. Sola Scriptura is confirmed through both scripture itself as well as patristic witness.
>>533065216>>533074792>Presbyterian, Lutheran, AnglicanThis is correct. Avoid the dispensationalist Protestants like Baptists or "Non-Denominational" which are just Baptists in disguise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Fl14sgzWw
>>533077303The main problem with Sola Scriptura is the problem of personal interpretation of the text, not that the text is the sole authority. So your understanding of what the Fathers mean in these quotes is through your own lens, just as much as the Scriptures are when you read them and think about what they "clearly say".
>>533077116>the orthodox catholic Church follows the custom of the first millenium of ChirstianityFunny you mention that. The Pan-Orthodox Council of Constantinople changed the Orthodox calendar in 1924. Since according to the Orthodox the liturgy is the religion, this means that the Eastern Orthodox actually schismed from the "one true church" in 1924 which continues to use the old calendar.
Some of my favorite threads are when /pol/cels pretend to be Christian
>>533077116>latins made it uniform, same sunday of aprilbeside being a midwit, a hypocrite, and using reddit spacing in your overexcited state... you are also straight-up lyingthe correct calculation is: the first Sunday after the full Moon that occurs on or after the spring equinox"latins" use the same formula but the calendar is correct, it doesn't drift a day every 100 years
>>533065306>have you REALLY sponsored the largest child trafficking ring everGas yourself
>>533065216Your best bet is going to a NIFB church, but before that you must be saved.The Bible Way to Heaven:https://archive.org/details/the-bible-way-to-heaven-pastor-steven-anderson-2020
>>533077434If the scriptures and traditions and fathers are so unknowable to you, I have to ask if you even have a real personal faith at all. The gospel is so simple to grasp that even the thief on the cross understood it in mere moments and yet you cannot without the help of the patriarchs? When one reads the New Testament without the spectacles of church tradition, what emerges is remarkable clarity on the things that matter most. God is Triune. Jesus is God incarnate. His death, burial, and resurrection secure salvation for all who believe. By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel. This really is so simple that the crucified thief grasped it in a single sentence. The Philippian jailer understood it in a moment. The Ethiopian eunuch acquired it from a single conversation with Philip on a desert road.
>>533065216> Not to mention all the imagery, which contradicts the Bible.
>>533065216If you're brown just go to mass bro churches are the most segregated institutions in america
>>533078596It's really just the Calvinists who are iconoclasts. I'm fine with icons, I just reject icon veneration. Everything else in your meme is just aesthetic preference.
>>533065394We have a Latin mass church in the city, surprised they were in communion with the arch diocese because they were definitely Mel Gibson conservative, but the church loves them some traditions so they get a free pass.
>>533065216Of Course. Don't be stupid, or else serve me more. Ya Streisand Effectin', aliens.gov alien, Ten Hours of Dick Sucking /pol/ Slide, ((((satanizt)))), ((((dik Sucker)))).
>>533065216Go to church and meet a girl
>>533066040catholicism is much more a state religion than orthodoxy. Do you even understand what you are saying?
>>533079298Roman Catholicism is more a state religion only insofar as the Vatican considers itself a state. Orthodoxy splits itself along national patriarchs (which is probably closer to the biblical model) while Rome forces Roman Catholics to be loyal to Rome over their own governments.
>>533065216I would give you advice but you aren't white.
>>533065216No.
>>533065394Latin Mass is everywhere. I go twice a week and live in the middle of nowhere. They never shut down during covid. Devil is really working overtime making people think it doesn’t exist anymore https://www.latinmassdir.org/
