Does Trump think it’s going to open up the strait? It won’t. Trump should just walk away and pretend like the strait isn’t his problem or actually go in and kick their asses. I could make better decisions than the president. Fuck this retard.
They will welcome us as liberators of the strait
>>533075403Its just another taco for the negotiation
>>533075403if we cant have the strait no one can. iran said that. we calling their bet. no one gets oil from there. lets see who can survive and who cant
>>533075403>Trump should just walk away and pretend like the strait isn’t his problemHe won't do this, because if he did, Iran would continue to bomb Israel, and Israel would be destroyed, and he's too much of a kosher golem to allow that.>or actually go in and kick their asses.It's not possible for him to do that. Iran would unleash wave after wave of missiles and drones and completely destroy the entire American fleet if he tried.
>>533075640Iran doesn’t care they can wait. Now it looks like the US is the aggressor and the cause of high gas prices. There’s also a risk that we get sucked into full blown war.
>>533075403What's rhe point of these ships? They have one gun
>>533076998They can launch 96 missiles. And also fire torpedoes.
If you haven't noticed, sunday is his day to say stupid shit and walk it back mid week to drop oil prices.
>>533075403>target all of irans shitskin allies that go thru whore muzzbased
The plan is to force EVERYONE to feel the pain of Iran's blockade and to somehow get his "allies" on board with an invasion.
>>533075403I have no idea what he is trying to accomplish other than diplomatically isolate the US as nuclear armed nation of pirates.He really just needs to take the L, since things only get worse with time if he does nothing, and his efforts to delay the inevitable are actively counterproductive and make the economic landing harder.
>>533075537Listen to the kike. He knows what he is talking about.
>>533078019But everyone is feeling the pain. They just blame the US and Israel, and quite reasonably think that any help would increase the duration of the blockade and make things worse.
>>533078058>He really just needs to take the LWhy? Israel still isn't safe. We can't just abandon Israel.
>>533078136Sadly, this is how Republicans actually think. This was the crown jewel of their foreign policy plans: to either decapitate and inflict regime change on Iran, or failing that, turn it into a Traschanistan failed state.40 years of naysayers have sadly been proven completely correct.
>>533075537This negotiation is turning into a fiesta with all these tacos
>>533075403Iranians don't seem to bright and they need real world demonstrations of pain and suffering in order to change.a loss of oil export revenue will put lots of internal pressure on the regime. boat jail will work.Their reckless behavior and limited foresight is exactly why they can't have nookz
>>533075640This. It's the one theory that fits all the known facts.
>>533078116No we know that no matter how much money and blood we spend it won't be appreciated so there is no point. The grift is over.
>>533078385>Iranians don't seem to bright and they need real world demonstrations of pain and suffering in order to change.America and Israel started the war. Stop with the gaslighting
>>533075403>WE ARE GOING TO BLOCKADE THE STRAIGHT!!Okay have fun starting WW3 or cucking out when a Chinese ship decides to ignore your gay ass blockade.
>>533075403I don’t think Trump thinks about anything, and his inner circle doesn’t give a shit about America at all, they see it as a useful tool to further Jewish interests.
>>533075403Iran has prepared for this, it's gonna look like the US is the one blocking the strait for years
The US is a net producer. Do none of you understand what is happening here?Taiwan is the single most important asset on the planet right now, and we can't stand alone against BRICS.So we've castrated Europe, and returned our global allies to absolute dependency.So when we go to war with China no one can take a middle road or stay out. This isn't about trump, or oil, or re-elections. This is about high end computer chips and keeping allies on a leash
>>533075403Yeah, you're nervous. You should be. 10:00 am tomorrow, eastern time. No more ships allowed to enter or exit iranian ports. Fuck off, nigger boy.
>>533078412Correct, so the US can stop being the goyim world police at long fucking last and take their ball and go home instead of stepping up where they aren't wanted or needed and demanding everyone appreciate them for "everything they do" (that nobody fucking wanted them to do)
>>533078406>>533075640>>533078786Iran has a coastline that reaches Pakistan in the Indian Ocean.As long as authorized ships stay on that coastline, the US can't do shit without getting blown up itself.
>>533078909>10:00 am tomorrowTaco time
>>533078786high end compute isn't importantpeople are retarded about compute and AIAI isn't a compute problem, it is a design problem, it will not be solved by more efficient/higher power/more numerous computer chipsit will be solved by someone writing the software better, which requires investment into the high IQ population, which is the exact opposite of what the west and america are doing. The american strategy is fucking retarded. American strategists are all fucking retarded. Everyone is fucking retarded now.
>>533078972China and Pakistan are allies, so they obviously won't stop Chinese tankers from its territorial waters and neither would Iran.This is actually a boon for Iran. It reduces everyone else's traffic, and potentially accelerates the Chabahar Port development in Southeast Iran.
>>533078468Nope, Iran started it by seeking nukes.
>>533078786>The US is a net producer. Do none of you understand what is happening here?Do you, migger? Raise energy prices and everything becomes more expensive regardless of you having oil reserves or not. It's cutting off the nose to spite the face.
>>533078019The issue is the USA is the least tolerant for pain and will arguably feel it the most.Europe need oil, but European govs have shown willingness to negotiate with surprising powers to get their energy needs, I would not be surprised if this whole thing lead to a detente with Russia and Europe out of mutual benefit.Asia needs oil, but China arguably the least since they have massive reserves and domestic options they can tap if needed, plus they ate the most electrically diverse nation on earth so the civilian market arguably needs petrol the least of any country.Meanwhile the rest of Asia will increasingly see the USA as hostile and look either to China or perhaps a more aggressive Japan/Korea for support.The USA meanwhile has domestic oil, but it’s not nationalized or at all reserved for domestic use so prices will skyrocket anyway as oil companies profit massively and American civilians suffer. Americans are the most fuel dependent people on earth so they will feel it absolutely everywhere.So the result of this? American rich get richer, average Americans get extremely poor, America becomes politically and economically isolated as the world turns away from it. And inevitably there is a massive depression as fuel skyrockets and foreign nations dump their US bonds/treasuries and cut America out of any trade deals.Canada for example is not buying American weapons anymore, what happens when all of Europe and Asia also does this? What happens to American industries and financial markets when everyone dumps them?America is not like Russia who can refocus on massive industrial production, it’s incredibly reliant on it’s global empire to function at all.
>>533079157>seeking nukes.only usrael claims that bs
>>533079184It seems like the question will become, US or Russia? Which one of these is the lesser of the two evilsMy money is on Russia, US has proven it cannot be trusted
>>533079204Iran has acknowledged that it maintains a stockpile of enriched uranium, currently enriched up to 60% purity.
>>533079161They don't care about commoners. The economy is a pyramid scheme and the largest global populations are trying to check out. This is an empire fighting to preserve its hegemony.They'll let us all starve, that way we don't complain about the draft, the soldiers will get fed
>>533075403It’s absolutely a mistake. This is what Israel told him to do, it’s part of their plan to fuck over Europe and fuck over the US permanently this opening the door for them to step in as a new super power…think of all the rabbis saying edom will fall and be destroyed. Trump is doing their bidding to destroy edom
To open the strait you must first close it
>>533075403thats a pretty solid blockade, uwu
>>533079184My prediction:Iran will keep forcing the US to keep their blockade upThe US will increasingly become the enemy of the world for prolonging the blockade
>>533075403Fucking laughing at you shills with your marching orders. Close the fucking straits. All oil in the U.S. is for domestic sale only.
>>533079184To be honest, I think the US might see brain drain. I'm certainly weighing my options on when to pull the ejection seat as Trump commits this country to being 90s Russia, but with lower human capital.
>>533078500Have fun when Trump bans Chinese trade; they won’t need as much oil then.
>>533075403There is not a military solution to this problem because Iran can just launch on all of the critical infrastructure we're supposed to defend whenever they want.
>>533079328And? That's not weapons grade.
>>533078786How does this somehow “support” the Taiwan position?Making Asian allies weaker and less trustful? Making Taiwan itself reconsider Chinese unification? Literally stripping assets out of asia to send to some ME boondogle?Face it, there is no “grand strategy” here, this is Israel first and anything else is just cope.
>>533075403HE IS GOING TO BLOCK THE STRAIT AND THEN CLAIM HE ALWAYS PLANNED TO DO THAT
>>533078058Being a nuclear armed pirate is better than whatever the fuck Europe and Canada is doing
>>533075403its logical the least bad response (assuming you want to continue fighting) its sad he let himself get conned into mideasst warshit. all he had to so was refuse and he'd have lock in as a great president. now hell just be one more.
Ive seen the ai. Cancel the blockade.
>>533079265For Europe at least this will become a genuine question. Europe, like Germany or Napoleon, can’t fight on two fronts, so it either needs to give into America or somehow climb down tensions with RussiaChina can be a partner with Europe, but they are too far away to be directly helpful.Russia is a natural European partner being culturally and physically linked, plus Russian energy/talent combined with European industry and talent is unbeatable.It depends really how Ukraine pans out and how Putin/EU reacts.Maybe if Putin dies of old age the new Russian government and the EU can use that as a pretext to repair relations and “resolve” Ukraine somehow.Note that a “friendly” Europe makes the Ukraine issue less significant for Russia.
>>533079128Iran attacked Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is allied with Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan signed a trade agreement with the US recently. China is literally allies with everyone, even groups fighting each other.
>>533078058>He really just needs to take the L,If there is absolutely anything that Trump is not capable of doing, mentally or emotionally, it is accept an L.
>>533079517what world? you mean the brown people?
>>533075403This is old school smoke out shit. Blockade them, stop everything from coming in and starve their country and if they get uppity, bomb them more. They will lose this, in fact they’ve already lost
>>533079687i voted for this
Iran is blocking the strait because they want to cripple the global economy. Trump thinks they're doing it to make money. That's why he thinks blocking them will hurt them, but that doesn't stop them from their main goal.
>>533079972>ruining the global economy because christ hating kikes are scared of IranThis is not a good thing
>>533079517Yea I don’t see how this hurts Iran any more than constant bombings are already hurting them, and they still have eastern pipelines to ship oil to China.All this will due is turn America into a global menace, which American is not equipped to deal with.Copelords who talk about how America has tons of resources are half right, those resources need years to actually develop and become useful, and even more than that, the government needs to adopt an autarky structure, which the capitalist elite would NEVER allow as they are happy to profiteer at the expense of the nation.
>>533078385>a loss of oil export revenue will put lots of internal pressure on the regime.The Iranians haven't been making money on their oil in ages because of the sanctions.
>>533079920I think you guys should take Mark Carney’s speeches seriously, he is a literal mouthpiece for the western “globalist” elite.When he is saying that basiclaly globalism is finished and western (non American) nations need to start swallowing their pride and embrace “unconventional” allies, he literally means nations like China/Russia/Iran and so on.Him saying this means this is the plan behind closed doors on the part of EU and other western elites, and they are only announcing it as a way to tacitly inform the public.
>>533080055Nuclear Iran would be much much worse for the economy
>>533079644If only I had a brain to be drained, I could just move to Europe.
>>533080240Also consider the reaction of European rightists as well as the far left.All of them are falling in line with the “message” projected by the centre, meaning there is some level of national unity and brokering happening behind the scenes.In Canada, Carney very publicly brought in a pretty notorious “far right” figure into his government, maybe a month after also welcoming a notable “far left” MP in.There is an attempt to build a united coalition in the non-American west, and it seems to be largely succeeding.Meanwhile in America the political divide is only getting worse and worse, to disastrous consequences.
>>533080061>the government needs to adopt an autarky structure, which the capitalist elite would NEVER allow as they are happy to profiteer at the expense of the nation.And while they could obviously be pushed out and forced to allow autarky...how quickly can we do that? And with how little pain? Because if a civil war breaks out here, there's a good chance of permanent Balkanization.
>>533080405It could happen, and it might HAVE TO happen, but it will take years even if they begun right now under some Trump imperial presidency.It’s not happening however and I think America is too deeply divided in every way (ethnically, economically, politically) for this to happen anytime soon.There needs to be a serious purge in the US where one faction claims total power for anything to get done, otherwise the next few decades will be like 20th century China until the Communists took total control.
>>533079945Iran closed the strait specifically to impact the world economy they can still achieve this with a US blockade. They can even keep the US checked in the strait indefinitely, if the US navy plans on leaving then Iran can start some shit to bring them back. The US will take the worldwide blame for prolonging the blockade.
>>533075403no, we are keeping it closed now so iran cannot sell oil.There is no need for iran to sell oil anymore, the tankers have diverted to the gulf of america to buy american oil, the other middle eastern states have pipelines and can sell their oil with out needing the strait. This was all a ploy, iran has no economy now. They mined that strait so its dangerous, we simply cannot let people endanger themselves going through it :^)/pol/ fucking lost, trump won, america won. We and our allies in the middle east have all the oil now. We have venezuelas oil now. The oils is ours.
>>533075640>thinking this attacks iranjesus you fuckers are dumb
>>533080528This exactly, the amount of assets needed to secure a blockade will be massive, it will drain the rest or the Empire.What happens when China makes a serious threat to Taiwan? The USN will be unable to redeploy and deal with it.Unironically Asia IS the most important sphere for the USA and Obama’s “pivot to Asia” was the smart goal.This entire episode undermines that and arguably hurts the USA far more than anyone else as America is a Global empire which relies on that Empire for it’s wealth and power at the moment.Yes of course perhaps that could change, but that is the truth right now and it won’t change quickly.
>>533080695This is the same mistake btw the British made in overcommitting to the North Sea in the World Wars
>>533080676The vast majority of Europeans, support Iran imposing tolls on Hormuz, despite the fact this will hit them harder than everyone else (they cannot afford to pay the same prices for US crude that China, Japan, Korea etc can).It's not just browns, but most Europeans who are against the US and Pissrael
>>533080695while everyone was not paying attention the US gained control of the entire planets oil supply. China cant invade anybody with out oil.Its over, we locked it all down. USA supreme hegemony>>533080758europe is part of the global bown now
>>533080823You overestimate that control and the ability for the US as a state to wield that.The “US” doesn’t control the oil, companies do, and these companies are mercenaries not loyalists.They are already using market manipulation to drain the people and the country right now, what makes you think they won’t sell to your enemies if it makes them richer?Besides there are alternatives, Russia, Canada, and even Chinese domestic production which has been scaled back can be increased, not to mention many other places.It won’t replace the ME but it will offset the cost.
>>533080823>while everyone was not paying attention the US gained control of the entire planets oil supplyOnly retard would believe that the blockage will be sustainable.
>>533075403Straits closed due to aids nigger
>>533075654We’ll just launch rods from god and kill them all if we have to.
>>533079517Lolololololol — fuck the world. You are a bunch of pussies.
>>533080020Me too!
>>533080676>iran has no economy now.They never relied on their oil economy before due to the sanctions. We'll hurt before they will.>Nuh uh we're net exporters and blah blahThat won't matter, the American consumer will get raped by the higher prices shared with the globe and not boomer Trump, nor boomer Congress, will nationalize the oil industry to deal with it. The resulting collapse is going to get this place eaten alive. The few people who do still have money will be sequestered behind 9 layers of drones, scared to leave their bunkers.
>>533078058Just milking the markets as much as he can before the end of his term. While also avoiding anything risky and getting close to iran
>>533075403>The blockade is a mistakeNooooooooo Trump please dont cut off China's oil supply, nooooooooooooo !lmao
>>533081155>the strongest navy in the world cannot enforce a blockade because iran has some speedboatsim sorry this is simply too profitable, we can fund a permanent blockade with a fraction of these profitsThis entire thing going back to venezuela has been a way to get a control device on china. They are now dependent on us for oil. That was the plan all along.
>>533079184>lead to a detenteWhy not a triple entendre?
>>533080061> they still have eastern pipelines to ship oil to China.You are one dumb gorilla nigger.
>>533080695Is this like when the Dems kept telling Trump what he should do to win the election in 2016?
>>533081390>nationalizewhy need to do that? trump is clearly getting along well with US oil companies we just handed them venezuelan rites. They will pay us to keep the blockade so they can sell, its more profit for them.This has been the plan all along, people really acting like trump is just being chaotic and random, hes actually orchestrated a massive shift in the geopolitical landscape
>>533075403>Does Trump thinkNo.
His goal isn't peace, it's about killing as many Americans as possible.
>>533078468It's a tricky situation when they say death to America and Israel daily, and are developing nuclear weapons. Once they have them they will nuke Israel causing retaliation and obliteration amd nuclear fallout across Europe and thr world.
>>533081718VZ oil sucks though. Also companies aren't going to give away oil for free.
>>533078058He can't take the L. Israel won't stop attacking Lebanon
>>533081390Holy fuck, what a cope. What is Iran’s next major export? Panic much you clown motherfuckers?
>>533081588>im sorry this is simply too profitable, we can fund a permanent blockade with a fraction of these profitsOk, so give up all your money and fund it you fucking ZOG bot. Or better yet, get your boy Trump to fund it.
>>533081786>companies wont pay us to do something that increases their overall profitsit will be in the form of tariffs or something, the companies will cover them and come out way ahead. everybody benefits
>>533081770> nuclear fallout across EuropeYou are a fucking retard.
>>533081895>everybody benefitsI have no benefited at all from any of this. My account is litterally under 100 dollars and I just got paid. And now you want a golden arch for King Migger and a new baalroom in the white house.
>>533078786>you are all so retarded and I am a 105iq genius
>>533081814I know. He can either save the world economy or shield Israel, but not both.
>>533078385The behavior of the jews is why Iran and any self respecting nation in the middle-east needs nukes.
Theres not going to be a blockade.
>>533081588>speedboatsAre you fucking retarded? Iran have tens of thousands of pic related. >but muh moving targetAn oil tanker sail speed is around 15knots, or 16mph in your country language, on a fixed route. They are super easy target for these drones, let alone the shorter range missiles that they have in god know how much.
>>533079184real "pain" for USA will come when Petro Dollar ends and suddenly Congress can't borrow another $2Trillion/yr because no one is lending, because the Gulf States can no longer demand USD for oil because Straits closed.Then Congress will suddenly need to choose between Wars4Israel/AIPAC and Social Security/Medicare for US Citizens.Congress will choose The Jews and that could create "fireworks" across USA.Iran has "passed a balanced budget Constitutional Amendment" for USA. :)
>>533075403>Trump should just walk away and pretend like the strait isn’t his problemHe got attacked by the left for saying he would do this>actually go in and kick their assesThe left threatened to impeach him if he did thisYou need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Middle Eastern oil is offline for the foreseeable future leaving only the U.S., Canada, Venezuela and Russia as large scale oil providers.Canada won't allow themselves to drill so their output is fixed and won't be able to scale.Russia is getting its refineries hit almost daily by Ukraine and cannot reliably supply oil to anyone at the moment.Venezuela is now owned by the US.The longer oil production is offline the more Americans stand to benefit in the long run>I could make better decisions than the president.I highly doubt that seeing as how you dont even see the major implications of what's actually happened.
>>533079644Well probably, no-one sane wants to stick in the Soviet Union as it's collapsing. 90's weren't fun for most normal people in Russia.
>>533081718>why need to do that?To keep the prices down to not impoverish the American people to collapse levels. Profit-oriented companies will sell for what they can sell for unless forced not to, which must take the form of nationalization or price-controls.
>>533080263That's what they always said about North Korea
>>533082119Is the world suddenly going to stop needing oil? How is the petrodollar going to die if we are the world's supplier? Who else is going to sell their oil?
>>533075403
Was this Claudes idea as well?
>>533082068I don't think they have the balls to actually use these honestly. The last time someone blew up a bunch of our big expensive boats they got nuked.
>>533080823>US gained control of the entire planets oil supplyYeah surely Exxonmobil and Chevron will sell us oil cheap then right?
>>533081956>this thing that just recently happened has not retrocausally benefited mebut how would you feel if you didnt eat breakfast this morning?>>533082068those move too slow to be a threatwhy do we care that they are a threat to drones? we are blockading the strait we dont want the tankers to go through it. We are talking about iran defeating our blockade which means they have to destroy our offshore warships somehow.Weve already got laser point defense on some of them.>>533082222>companies wont play along with managing the public to continue profitingIf they want this setup to hold they need to make sure to let trumps faction stays in power.
>>533082328It doesn't take balls necessarily, it could also take a lack of intelligence. You forget they are "twelvers" and they literally think war with the US will bring the 12th imam.
>>533082186So Trump is basically stuck in a limbo of political impossibility then.
soon...
>>533082186>he got attacked by the left for saying he would do thisWe are in too deep, backing out now and pretending like its not our problem introduces a lot of new issues you cant just worm your way out of, especially after dropping bombs.>but the lefties wanted to impeach him :(CAUSE WE SHOULDNT HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACEIts not a hard concept to learn, retard, keep up. We are now in too deep to not do at least something to fix this shit in some level, if you left with no resolution after soldiers got killed you would be eaten alive by all sides and be viewed as not only ultra unreliable by everyone, but also as a bitch, and also as a coward who played the American people for insider trading. Its a damned if you do, damned if you dont, but in reality you shouldn't have done it in the first place
>>533078058He cant take the L because of fuckibg Israel. He actually sent those kike motherfuckers to Pakistan AGAIN. I hope several bullets or explosions wont fucking miss the us.
>>533082328....did you live in the cage or something?The reason why Iran successfully block the straight is by actually following up their threat>>533082441A 185kmh drones can't reach a fucking 30kmh ships?Are you retarded?>we are blockading the strait we dont want the tankers to go through it. Trump already specifically said that the blockage is for Iran ports only. His plan is to let ships that goes to EU/US to go through.
>>533082241We are a net crude importer
>>533082186>The longer oil production is offline the more Americans stand to benefit in the long runAs in jobs coming to the USA?
>>533081588Are oil companies in the US nationalized? No, they are not. So the state won't see a fucking dime of those profits. US is already in a recession, and USN is already suffering from extensive maintenance debt. It's not really in a shape to enforce a prolonged blockade on the other side of a world. Oh, and add to that that they would need to deal with Houthis once again, somethst that they have already tried and failed. Yeah, good luck.
>>533082328It takes neither balls or lack of intelligence. It takes conditions of political possibility and you have to admit Iran is doing a very great job at creating such conditions day by day.
>>533075403>Trump should just walk away and pretend like the strait isn’t his problem What stops Iran from continue keeping the strait closed until US signs a peace deal? Or keep hitting US bases in the middle east with missiles?That's the crux of this situation. You cant walk out from it, and you have no real strategy on how to win it either.You started this and you dont know how to end it.You truly fucked up.
>>533082241>How is the petrodollar going to die if we are the world's supplier?The petrodollar isn't simply the idea of dollars to buy oil in at least one location, it's the idea of dollars as the reserve currency for everyone everywhere. Being the reserve currency meant we could offshore inflation since people still wanted dollars no matter how debased they got, which meant we could keep spending more than we make, which means the country keeps running at status quo. The loss of the petrodollar isn't down to this one war, other things have reduced it from that status (the loss of strict petrodollar status some years back, Russian asset seizures after Ukraine, etc), but this war is probably the "all at once" moment to follow up the "slowly" moments we've been having for the last decade or so.Losing the reserve currency status means all that debasement of the currency through printing starts to actually have the effects that lolberts have been predicting for decades but which never came to fruition due to offshoring preventing it. Then you have to ask whether our government can coordinate a slate of cuts to services when they can barely manage to even agree on a bloated budget.There are other places selling oil as well, Russia leaps immediately to mind as a place we're all pretending doesn't exist when we talk about this alleged blockade being a real pain point for China. Russia was already selling oil to China, that was part of the Ukraine War headlines remember?
it makes sense to utilize the enemy's leverage against them. Trump has been doing alot of pirate king shit, pretty funny
>>533075403My cat would make better decisions and most likely win the war, too.
>>533082441>If they want this setup to hold they need to make sure to let trumps faction stays in power.This is a rationalization that appears to make sense in the context of a debate on 4chan but which stands a 0% chance of materializing in reality. Corporations are scorpions, it is in their nature to sting, and sting they will.>But shareholders, now we'll all drown!>That's just what it costs, pay up commie.
>>533082462Yes and no. Yes politically he's boxed in but he's also not running again so he can get away with just doing things to a degree without having to worry about the backlash. Also people are pretty burned out from overactive media spinning every thing he does as bad. For some perspective last week started with media claiming Trump would be a war criminal if he destroyed Iran, the week ended with media stating Trump chickened out and caved to Iran, just today they are back to saying he's a war criminal. It's absolutely shameless how the media operates, it's impossible to get the truth from media and government is known to lie so the majority of people aren't even paying attention anymore. It's all just white noise.
>>533082594Yeah, it's baffling that he went straight from assembling a massive armada in the Carribean to fuck with Venezuela to attacking Iran 2 months later. That crisis feels like an eternity ago, but I guess that's how this admin rolls. Move on to a new crisis to distract from the last one.
>>533075403>Does Trump think>Trump should just>Trump realizeTrump just posted an A.I. image of himself as Jesus. Trump has full on dementia. This is a grandpa in a nursing home memory care unit shitting himself while calling the nurses niggers. This is your president. There's not a single person in the cabinet who will put a stop to this insanity.
>>533075403I think its a good alternative to destroying their infrastructure
>>533082524>in reality you shouldn't have done it in the first placeThat's a shit take, it should have been done back in the 70s, if you have a cancer you don't just ignore it, you remove it. Iran has been a thorn in America's side my entire life (I'm 40). It had to be delt with sooner or later. We are here precisely because SEVEN other presidential administration's didn't want to deal with the problem. It would have been much easier if Reagan or Bush or Clinton had done something about it before they got all those missiles.
>>533082864>He would be a war criminal>He cavedBoth of those things are true simultaneously...
>>533082691Part of why the US was so investable and US Treasuries were such a safe haven was this idea that the US would treat you fairly even if it didn't like you, and was broadly stable and predictable to conduct business even if you didn't like it. Biden's actions against Russian assets were a ominous; but at least the US could at least preserve freedom of navigation, right? Wrong, not only is Trump using the USN as his pirate fleet in the Caribbean, it cannot win the one war it should have been preparing for after the Cold War.And a debt bomb is coming. The SS "trust" is projected to run out in the early 2030s because the math of more retirees being paid more for longer by a workforce that has shrunk as birthrates cratered post GFC is unworkable, and by design is hard to print out of because it's payments are adjusted to inflation.
>>533083100>That's a shit take, it should have been done back in the 70sMight want to move that to the 80s as in 70s you still got your puppet ruling over Iran.
>>533076120>Iran doesn’t care they can waitWhy do you think iran is not affected by the same economic disruption everyone eles is? People are cheering for them to fight zog while their country is being destroyed. They are an industrialized nation that relies on modern amenities and needs trade. This will have an impact . Will it be enough to spark new talks? Who knows
>>533082572>His plan is to let ships that goes to EU/US to go through.What are they doing in the strait in the first place? There is no reason to go there but to get oil from iran or other places but those other places can bypass the strait now.>>533082594>nationalizedpeople keep bringing this up but i dont see how you think they will magicly not cooporate with a plan that profits them. Do you think they are just, on principle, unwilling to sell oil for cheap even if their total profits would go up?>>533082804i dont think they are that stupid and specifically its because they already seem to be working with trump. the waters have been tested before we committed to iran.It was all planned. people are too convinced trump just acts at random despite everything always working out.This cease fire for example was to buy time to position ships, stockpile more bombs in the uk, and give the saudis time to finish their pipelines enhanced throughput unharassed by iran. Yet people rather go 'oh trump taco look at him beg iran for an out!'. No, it was just delay tactics like it has been every other time such as the opening of this war. Everything is being maneuvered into place masterfully.
>>533083127>you are a war criminal for not attacking!This is exactly why I don't take the left seriously, they are very unserious people with no real solutions. Just a bunch of monkeys throwing shit.
>>533079184And then watch what happens when American troops, returning home from Europe/Asia due to base closures and withdrawal, find that the US government no longer has a need for them and fires them. This kinda combination has led to nothing good in the past.
>>533083100No, we should have made nice with the Iranians around 2001. Khatami was initially supportive of the US in Afghanistan, and that was a golden opportunity for rapproachment and renormalization that Bush threw away with his Axis of Evil speech.It's really hard to express the extent to which the US squandered a golden age of a long 90s by being belligerent, irrational neocons.
>>533083215Hostage crisis was 79 bud.
>>533078468Nah, they started it 50 years ago. We're just finally punching back.>>533078500
>>533083310When has trusting Muslims EVER worked out in anyone's favor?
>>533078468>America and Israel started the war.Do you remember iran taking American naval personal hostage? They have belligerent for a long time
>>533083100BUT THIS ISNT THE 70S RETARD IS IT? IT IS N O W.GOD people like you are fucking dense>Buh buh buh buh dees shoulde happe in dey othr taim!ITS NOT THAT OTHER TIMEKILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELFKILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELFKILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF>KILL YOURSELF
>>533083390Our agreement with the Gulf States was immensely beneficial, as was our prior arrangement with the Shah.When has trusting the Israelis every worked out in our favor?
They will try to goad Iran into sinking a USN destroyer to justify the land invasion
>>533075640>To play gay chicken with Iran, destroy the economies of all the SE Asian allies needed to contain ChinaBig think.
>>533079792It really isn't. The US built the international trade order and it most benefits from it by design. Doing nothing right now beats doing all the wrong moves in quick succession.
>>533083415>belligerentThe personnel invaded Iranian waters and were released like a week later.
>>533078972Width of Strait: 70 miles.Width of navigable water corridor: 4 miles max, closer to Oman that to Iran.Territorial limit recognized by the United States: 12 miles.Find someone in Israel to do the math for you, faggot.
>>533078786>This isn't about trump, or oil, or re-elections. This is about high end computer chips and keeping allies on a leashIt really is much bigger than kike cocksucking. There is an enormous economic impact fr9m the outcome of this war.
>>533075640Iran can have the straight. Why are we even tryin to take it? Let them charge a toll, let them control the flow of oil, far better them than israel and the (((USA))) is israel.
>>533083258>There is no reason to go there but to get oil from iran or other places but those other places can bypass the strait now.What the fuck.... what in the actual fuck??????Are you fucking retarded???? IF ONLY IRAN SHIP GOES THROUGH HORMUZ THEN THEIR BLOCKAGE WOULDN'T DO SHITE TO WORLD ECONOMY.1/4th OF THE WORLD OIL FLOW THROUGH THE STRAIT, HENCE WHY WERE IN THE SHITE WHEN THEY BLOCK IT.Also since you are blatantly unaware of the geopolitics in this region here is one fun fact; Iran is sanctioned out of the wazoo prior to this war and majority of their oil is sold to China via some loopholes.
>>533083258They are exactly that stupid because of Dodge vs Ford, and when gas prices go up even further I want you to remember that. Prices have climbed a lot already and that's with Trump letting the SPR get drained. He swears he'll refill it but he's taking the burger today and promising to pay us tomorrow.Repositioning isn't going to matter. It's not a war we can win. Keep in mind that we already tried this with the 12 Day War and had to ceasefire out of that. It's not an issue of preparation and positioning. We just can't do this.
>>533083465To be fair, Trump fucked that up in his first term when he tore up TPP, and then fucked up the progress that had been made afterwards by placing extremely heavy tariffs on countries like Vietnam and Thailand. It's hard to understate how much his Asia-Pacific policy has been a complete disaster, regardless of all the cute pictures of him and Shinzo Abe.
>>533083515What is your post even supposed to suggest Are you trying to say commercial shipping friendly to Iran can’t physically take place in its territorial waters in that region? I think you’re full of shit if you suggest so
>>533083571If this war wasn't poorly planned, he would have refilled the SPR when prices were cheap and after Biden had drained it trying to get re-elected. However, Trump seems immune to long-term planning or obvious consequences if the enemy does not immediately capitulate to his extortion.
>>533079161>Raise energy prices and everything becomes more expensive regardless of you having oil reserves or not. It's cutting off the nose to spite the face.West Texas is ramping up. Companies are hiring and people will get paid food wages. Oil prices will drop and stabilize. Thays the only leverage iran has
>>533083446I legit don't think it matters what they do to justify a land invasion, American plebs will refuse. The type of centralized media control needed to make the grand narrative doesn't exist anymore.
>>533079184>USA is the least tolerant for pain and will arguably feel it the most.Prices were higher during covid. Some countries will run out of oil. Thats feeling it most
>>533079699>Iran can just launch on all of the critical infrastructure we're supposed to defend whenever they wantWe cam too. Nobody wants that
>trump: don't block the strait>iran: "no ships will pass through the strait!">trump: shit, we can't open the strait>trump: ok let me try the art of the deal>trump: we want to close the strait now>trump, in whisper voice: they'll want to open the strait now because they think we want to block it, it's an advanced maneuver called reverse psychology>hegseth's everclear bottle: brilliant move>marco rubio: why didn't I think of this>jared kushner: to support these initiatives we should send 100 billion to israel>trump: I want all of you to be forward thinkers like jared
>>533083304Uh, the statement is "you are a war criminal if you attack" and "you cave if you don't". There is no solution, there is no winning anymore, because he created the whole dilemma. Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place and the criticism is earned because he chose to go into that cave and drag everyone with him.Also you don't have to offer solutions when criticizing something.
>>533075654More like sending ground troops would guarantee the lose of midterms by landslide and nothing will stop the impeachmentThe moment "Goy golems running from FPV drone just to get blow up in 4K :)" hit /pol/ and from here twitter it's also over for himAll for these things
>>533083514What about the Russian plane they shot down?
>>533075403You're retarded. Stop shit posting on pol.There's no mistake. Trump has played a much stronger hand.Why on Earth are you accepting an Iranian blockade? Trump plays that hand and can actually back it up, much bigger raise. You're here complaining? What's wrong with you?You accept Iran dictating tolls and saying what ships can enter, and it isn't even Iranian water. Suddenly America blockades it, there are your tears? Who are you, you aren't American. Nobody would make a dumb poll topic like this. I am surprised it took this long. America unsanctioned Iranian Oil. Iran decides to blockade the strait and fire at everybody else's oil. They aren't dealing with rational people, it's dealing with maniacal delusional terrorists.Read your topic. You accept one blockade and not the other. You just proved who you are your intent on Pol. Pol needs to get cleaned up. I wouldn't care if an Iran said it. So what. An American, you're a traitor.
>>533075403The Strait will reopen when Iran is destroyed. They refuse to concede their nuclear program, so they will be destroyed. Blockading the Strait cuts off their trade from the rest of the world, which was basically the only traffic happening anyway. If they insist on disrupting the global economy as an act of war then it's only fair that their economy takes the hit as well. Now they are truly fucked with no navy, no air defense, no weapons production, half their government dead, and now basically no economy. Their country will descend into chaos and the IRGC will have their hands too full dealing with their own people to try to keep the Strait of Hormuz closed to fight a war they are desperately losing.
>>533084020>that spacing
>>533084020>Suddenly America blockades it, there are your tears?The pearl clutching leads me to believe its zoomer leftists
>>533084111Spacing is how to speak. I am not insulted. I am not typing more keys highlighting or captalising. That's ridiculous from a handheld. Spacing you can read it. Idiot
>>533078972>>533079128Nearly all export ports for Iran are near Kharg.They can be blockaded really fucking easy.
>>533084104>The Strait will reopen when Iran is destroyedGood luck. Serbia took 78 days to capitulate from the NATO air campaign and was not destroyed. North Vietnam, a smaller country, was not destroyed by the larger campaign of Rolling Thunder. Germany was defeated by Soviet tanks driving past the Brandeburg Gate, and a much larger air and more destructive campaign.Airpower and cruise missiles aren't a magic "I win" button.
>>533078116Israel and US started the war, but Iran is obviously at fault for closing to Strait to hurt the economies of countries that have nothing to do with it as indirect retaliation. You can blame us for provoking the terrorists, but ultimately the terrorists are to blame for being terrorists. I don't how you could put it any other way.The only way Iran is willing to open the strait is if the United States makes ridiculous unreasonable concessions. You can't accuse us for not trying to negotiate diplomatically. Iran is hellbent on hurting the world economy, so the blame is on them.
>>533084246Christ your syntax is all third world direct translation from whatever thurdy babble you native "language" is
>>533084316>Serbia took 78 days to capitulate from the NATO air campaign and was not destroyed>CapitulatedYeahBut also that had boots on the ground so not really the same.The air war can lead to total civilisation death but unfortunately the US doesn't have enough firepower or willingness to hurt itself doing it.They had the entire US European stockpile on hand for Serbia, they inly have Saudi and other Arab states and home held missiles they need to ship around the world for Iran.
>>533084115It's a traitor making a shit for fucking stupid Pol topic accepting an Iranian blockade and not an American blockade while flying the flag.Mccarthyism now. George Washington every single one of them.The blockade makes sense. Iran doesn't control it if America does. It tried to reason with them. Unsanctioned their oil and let it flow. It could've shot or seized their tankers then and it didn't. It didn't target their oil. While they targetted everyone else. But you can't reason with terrorists.
>>533084458I'm aware of the asterisks around the possibility of ground forces or a Russian ground force intervention, but I'm simplifying to make a point about the limitations of airpower at what was arguably their apex.
>>533084316We don't need them to capitulate. We will just keep bombing the shit out of them until they lose the ability to fight back or disrupt traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. Trump offered them an easy way out and they rejected it and chose the hard way.
>>533084533What happens when a Chinese ship under escort sails through?
>>533075403It's the only move he has. Problem is the collateral damage to the world.
>>533084575The US economy collapses before they lose the capability to produce Shaheds and lay mines.
>>533084609He thinks the world doesn’t matter because America is too rich and strongThe issue is the America that exists right now gets it’s wealth and strength from it’s global empire.He’s selling real power for hypothetical future power of a different sort
>>533075537based kike. i hope the whites kill you last
>>533084431That's is bullshit. Read what you wrote. It isn't even a language. No wonder why you struggle with language. You speak, bullshit. The words and form you typed aren't grammatical. Some of the words don't even exist.You're flying a Belgium flag. Except you're a refugee. It would explain it.
>>533075403why are they so afraid of going in and taking the strait? didn't they say all of iran died and all their navy is gone?
>>533084575You've got one aircraft carrier and a couple dozen jets bombing a country of 100 million people. Iran is fine with this going on forever.
>>533083247the people in those mountain bases with drones and missiles don't care about the economy anon, they can sit there keeping the strait closed for at least a year before their resources start to run out.
Iran Tom Sawyer'd America
>>533075403>open up the straitThe point is to cut off the oil so people have to buy from usIt's almost like there's a reason we overthrew Venezuela first
>>533084799And they've been under North Korea level sanctions for decades. This deprivation is business as usual. Maybe they'd be more hesitant to cut off the Strait if, for example, they'd been enjoying the prosperity of a decade of more normalized trade relations under the Iran Deal.
>>533075403>Fuck this retard.I hope a nigger puts him in his grave.
>>533084893Ratfucking our Asian allies like Japan and Australia to own the Chicoms?
cry about it, chang
>>533084546What escort? A blockade is a naval term. Breach it constitutes war normally. Perhaps there are agreements away from it? The USA not Iran dictates it.Sail your Chinese fleet. Boom which hits first. Bomb on Iranian oil fields or ship through strait?At that point Iranian oil is gone. What is ship doing?
>>533084893That’s the current cope reasoning yes, this is all post-justification howeverNo one is “forced” to but from you, and You don’t own your own oil.Oil companies will get rich for sure, but you will pay them the same as everyone else.
>>533084965
>>533078136>Why? Israel still isn't safe. We can't just abandon Israel.Fuck you saul.
>>533075403>"...Trump should just..."Every fucking day of Trump is another chance for him to react to the problems he created in stupid ways. it would be comical if he wasn't killing children.
all ships sitting infront of hormusget fucked in the back by chinaus fleet trapped at madagaskar trying to retreatgg
>>533084733I. read. what. I. write. do. you. read. what. you. write. ?.
>>533084955Not rat fucking. Telling them it's time to be allies and buy oil from the west instead of sand niggers>>533084986Shut the fuck up brown communist twat. American companies making money is better for Americans. Oh no some billionaire in texas will make more money I guess I should cheer for the china and brown hordes in sandland to own the jews!
>>533085098More likely is China simply pushes on Taiwan now that the US has stripped Asia of defences. Or they sail an escorted tanker through the blockade and dare trump to sink it.
>>533080051>Iran is blocking the strait because they want to cripple the global economy.Another armchair geopolitical analyst. You speak as if you're the conscious of Ayatollah whateverthefuck. Quit embarrassing yourself.
>>533085209> American companies making money is better for Americans.Delusional copeYou will not only see none of that money, you will be drained hardest of all because you have NO alternative.I’m in awe of delusional American nationalists who accept getting buttfucked so hard daily with nothing to show for it.Maybe the Jews will throw you a bone lol, maybe make a new Star Wars with a (gay) white male lead character
>>533081770>It's a tricky situation when they say death to AmericaYou do know _why_ they say death to America, no? You fucking lizard.
>>533085064isnt it better to enlist in your depiction then? we can kill the chink in his sleep. Enlistment is always a good thing.
>>533075403I am too stupid to understand what the goal is.
>>533085478to destroy china. china is our enemy.
>>533085373>American companies that build american infrastructure and hire Americans and pay American taxes will not benefit Americans>paying international non American companies outside of America will benefit AmericansExplain to me this logic.
>>533085235Or they sail an escorted tanker through the blockade and dare trump to sink it.that was the premise for my assumption. it wouldnt even be chinas fault. factually usa wouldve started it shooting at chinese escort tugsphillipine needs urgent military support since years. very bad chess move to get out of sea. in 2016 usa retreated from cambodia and look at it now...chinese naval bases and chn economic zones popping up everywhere.cambodian military was always in good standing with the usa. they were viet war buddies. until 2016 every second car or motorbike had the us army star sticker on it.first he gives everything away to russia and china in the name of republican libertarian isolationism then do a 180 turn and send warships everywhere but where they actually should be
>>533084246JAMBOY DETECTED
>>533085078anon,... he's trolling,...
>>533085209Those "sand niggers" have been our allies for 50 years, and invested trillions into the US and bought trillions of our bonds over the years. Put down the crackpipe.
>>533075640>starts a war with Iran>Hands them Japan, India and South Korea on a plateNigga, your gonna recreate the asian coprosperity sphere with china at the steering wheel with this fag shit, ASSUMING you dont get btfo the second your boats try to do anything in firing range of Iran
>>533085373>I’m in awe of delusional American nationalists who accept getting buttfucked so hard daily with nothing to show for it.>Maybe the Jews will throw you a bone lol, maybe make a new Star Wars with a (gay) white male lead characterYes, and the cognitive dissonance in America 2.0 is way strong..."delusional" describes their cognitive disposition most accurately.
>>533075403>Does Trump think>thinkAt this point, he doesn't think at all.
>>533084299>near Kharg>the island America cant even get nearYou literally CAN NOT enforce an embargo without 1.) Getting close enough to die to Iranian drones2.) Sinking boats with stand off munitions like turtbonigger super kikes, boats owned by your own trade partners and allies 3.) Trying to inderdict YOUR OWN ALLIES BOATS in open waters far away from the areaThis is ultra kike delusional niggardy, you paki fuck.
>>533075403Trump should drop billions of sea mines and make a big metal wall to permanently block the strait.
>>533083247Iran has been under the harshest sanctions in the world, they get their stuff covertly from China anyway. They aren't hurting nearly as much as the US and especially "allies".
>>533075403>holup >drumpf orange ain't know sheet>*licks Dorito fingers>imma tell ya how shit be yo>ain need no prezidents n shit i be ballin i know damn i run dis shit niggaAnd this is why the word goy exists.Many times such is the case!
>>533085663>hire Americans>pay American taxesBut they hire Indians and write off 99% of taxes?
>>533079920Russia is not a partner and never will be. They've shown it time and time again.Russia is completely buck-broken and doesn't have the military to roll into Europe. We don't need anything from them.In the future once the decoupling from america is in full swing, we'll need less and less of american crap too Future is bright for Europe
>>533086027>>533086106I'm genuinely weighing my options to get to the co-prosperity sphere and avoid the rush.
US won't have the balls to hit anyone > everyone ignored their 'blockade' > new kino truth social dropped
>>533075403>The blockade is a mistakeDrumpf doesn't know what to do right now. A blockade is just grasping at straws. What good will it do to further restrict out flow of Oil. I think he wanted to get out but nutinyahoo put the squeeze on him somehow. Melania giving that unsolicited Epstein news conference was bizarre to say the least. There must be something going on behind the scenes
>>533086280>Trump should drop billions of sea mines and make a big metal wall to permanently block the strait.How old are you?
>>533086963>Melania giving that unsolicited Epstein news conference was bizarre to say the least.It makes sense when you see this. So much chaos is happening.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGx22-yM6KE
>>533083100>Iran has been a thorn in America's side my entire lifeWhy was the US selling weapons to Iran in the 1980s?
>>533075403Israel will hit those boats and blame Iran. This is the false flag coming.
>>533075640Now countries are rushing toward US suppliers. So can we at least add a tax so we bring in some revenue from massive increased demand from foreign countries at higher prices....
>>533075403Probably does. Our ships will be sitting there nice juicy billion dollar targets for the muslim rats hiding in the mountains to shoot missiles and drones at. What he should've done is announced that if any ship is held up or fired at in the street tehran will be leveled 3 days later. That's enough time for them to leave hastily. You can't fight a bunch of brown rats hiding all their military assets in caves. You have to remove everything they're fighting for.Of course he should've not done any of this at all foremost but now that we're here that's what to do.
>>533088773>Of course he should've not done any of this at all foremost but now that we're here that's what to do.The thing for Zion Don to do is to run. But he's a fucking arrogant cocksucker who can't get enough jew dick up his swollen ass.
>>533088773>Of course he should've not done any of this at allYeah man. Gas is up $1.40 per gallon by me. Let the Shill do their own dirty work. Drumpf doesn't realize they're still going to drop the files no matter how much he does for them. It's in their nature like the scorpion and frog. Best thing he could do Of course he should've not done any of this at all or himself right now is take out nuttyahoo and his henchmen with a bunker buster and blame Iram say now it's even for the ayatolla hit.. That would show good faith to them and they'd negotiate in kind or a least let him save face in the world view..
>>533084366>if the United States makes ridiculous unreasonable concessionsit's quite reasonable for the US to fuck off to its own part of the world though
>>533075403if iran cannot ship their oil through the strait their entire economy is completely gone. trump is basically just playing the same game that iran is trying to play.
>>533079517Prediction:The US will be kicked out of the United Nations and sanctioned by all countries. It will conquer Canada and Greenland but will be stuck in 20 years war trying to conquer Mexico. All countries max out drone production and remove the pest from the seas, maritime trade backs to normal; the US stays sanctioned forever and makes a federation with Cuba.
>>533076120It's 80% of Iranian exports, without the ability to extract tolls it's economic suicide.
>>533075403He's not trying to open the strait, he's trying to play iran at their own game. But at the same time, he's further angering the world, further fucking with other countries business, further insider trading, further fucking the the markets, further making american lives harder, all while putting american lives at risk. He's a stupid orange retard.
>>533075403>Does Trump think it’s going to open up the strait? They want to close the strait for the oil. Iran will retract mystically after the UShithole block is installed. The USubniggers had turned into an barbarian pile of shit just to back their USD 10x10^12 bond rollover. It turns the world into a barbarian plece, weakens the whole supply chain but that primitved rabid hyenas do not care. They do not care about everthing, like every soulless thing do- The pronomen of a UShitholer is it.
>>533085663Look who they are hiring>>533085680For the American perspective, the “global” empire is indeed too large.The middle east is not really strategically useful anymore and as many MIGGERS will remind you, the USA doesn’t need oil.American interests are primarily in the pacific and the Obama era Asia pivot would have set this as priority while leaving Europe/ME mostly for Arabs and Europeans to deal with.This was the smart move, carefully scale back the empire in a way that is maximally beneficial.The reason this is not happening is Israel, Israeli compromised assets in government as well as insane cultists who want to bring about armageddon. This is the ONLY reason the USA is fighting in the middle east right now when before there was no reason to do so.If Iran got nuclear weapons, who would they threaten? Israel…Anyone else would be able to make a deal and come to a new alignment, but Israel is a cultist state.
>>533075403Trumps a fucking idiot he's officially gone off the deep end literally fueled by nothing but his "war hero" ego Isreal cucked Trump sp hard PREZZY OF PEACE BABY NO NEW WARS UNLESS ITS FOR ISREAL NOW GO DIE AND KILL GOY
>>533075403> Open the straight you bastards> Alright we are going to block it instead.This timeline is comedic gold.
>>533083307>and fires themSpeed running the fall of the Roman empire lol
>>533090669> US getting Mexico, Cuba and CanadaThat monstrosity would be 30% white by the end of the decade
>>533079920Mind you, it was in between WWI and WWII where they brutally fought against each other, strange how it works, uh?
>y-you can't just keep the niggerworlders from making money like that!lmaostrait status?
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>>533083520>Why are we even tryin to take it?Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>533075403I think it is worth a try.You can't have everybody just blow up all the vessels near the to extort people for money.It doesn't work.
>>533086623>Russia is not a partner and never will be. They've shown it time and time again.>>Russia is completely buck-broken and doesn't have the military to roll into Europe. We don't need anything from them.>>In the future once the decoupling from america is in full swing, we'll need less and less of american crap too >>Future is bright for EuropeThanks for the laugh anon!
>>533083258>people keep bringing this up but i dont see how you think they will magicly not cooporate with a plan that profits them. Do you think they are just, on principle, unwilling to sell oil for cheap even if their total profits would go up?how are you going to achieve that?
>>533082328>I don't think they have the balls to actually use these honestly. The last time someone blew up a bunch of our big expensive boats they got nuked.That's not how you're going to be running the show hombre- Trump TACO'ed out for a reason.
>>533085437>isnt it better to enlist in your depiction then? we can kill the chink in his sleep. Enlistment is always a good thingWhy haven't you enlisted? Or are you here trying to convince us Zogbot death enjoyers?
Armchair generals convinced the chinks to sign an agreement to never open the strait and now cry like a bitch when America blocks it XD
China cant do shit because the SUPER BASED euros made them sign a paper saying they wont ever open the straitXD XD XD
>>533101956I miss this nigga in retrospect
>>533075403I very much look forward to american vessels being fired on by the Iranians.The fear of that is after all the reason America capitulated the gulf on day one.
>>533103643Thanks for telling china and russia to veto ANY collaboration to open the strait. A straong 1000 year partnership with china bows*
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>>533079265jews will never let europe pivot towards the natural and rightful alliance with russiathe split has been fomented and nurtured by the usa, to the point where every level of power here is vehemently anti-russialook at all the shenanigans with nordstream for an example
>>533075640It's to buy time. Something will happen and bibi will have his excuse to invade the rest of Lebanon. Then he will give Trump permission to leave the middle east.
>>533075403>Some Russian chink golem on a VPN says it's a bad idea Must be a great idea
>200,000-250,000 troops for invasion, 1.4 million for occupationnot possible without entire nation on board>Obama's admin = Offer Iran a deal so good refusal exposes themC- play, russia concessions but iran still finances>Airstrikes are the real centerpiece (you are here)>CIA never anticipated Iran actually attempting to toll/close (they wont either we are being lied to supremely)>CIA recommended pathway for USA is "Israeli strike option is discussed as a way to shift blame">CIA admits "Regime change chapters are mostly admissions of weakness">Iran is thoroughly "coup-proofed" with dual military (Artesh + IRGC), pervasive surveillance. CIA "would not even know where to start.">seemingly, only two options, airstrikes or long-term containmentthis is either the greatest clusterfuck a president has ever entered the USA into, where we will likely see USA backing EU to go to war. OR, this is the single biggest con job of modern computing power and this is nothing but a market scandal
>>533075403It's meant to turn Iran into a failed state and if Europe suffers, that's a bonus.You need to look at it from the point of view of jews, they already divested from anything in the real which will be impacted.
>>533106540its a pissing contest between Vlad and Donald who gets to serve Europe, iran may be the single least important nation involved in the issue
>>533075403>Does Trump think it’s going to open up the strait?He thinks his son is going to make lots of money shorting when he TACOes.
>>533075640Dumb kike retard, you're going to lose billions upon billions in equipment.
>>533107340you are the nation with the red line on tolls btw, you will be going to war way earlier then usa bong. Either let the french take the continent or pay a toll you spend your nations blood ending a hundred years ago. You are a nigger shitskin, no way you are of proper stock
It's a bold strategy.
Why does your gay orange president never commit to any of his retarded daily threats?>inb4 4D chess real politicI know, but this is getting very old. He hypes everyone up about the world going nuclear and then postpones the red line with literally 2 weeks (kek), it's getting ridiculous. You can't even say he's bluffing to trick the enemy because even the lefties know he's not going to di anything
>>533110013hes managing LLM ai trading bots
>>533110200aah he's playing with the market I guess, that's diabolical
>>533110446yeah, its abundantly clear now, just follow the trillionaire oil speculators, they have no problem pricing a few million deaths
>>533076998>Thinking that naval battles are still fought with gunsFucking Christ, anon.
>>533110542there are no trillionaires, and america will stop manipulating the oil market using the strait if iran stops manipulating the oil market using the strait. fair trade
>>533075640That's like sinking your own fleet so the enemy can't do it first. They can survive an economic hit, they're fighting for their life, you can't no one knows why you're there that's the whole point, your wallet is the only part of America they can reach you're 40 trillion in debt, over 1t a year in interest, the infinite growth maniacs have put every country in a position where a big blow to GDP could be impossible to climb out of. You're not just committing suicide you're bringing every civilized country that went along with your deranged economic policy down with you (*in the unlikely scenario that he doesn't TACO).
>>533075403>Does Trump thinknope
>>533075403So many nice targets coming near to Iranians sea-drones...your blockade not lasting long.
>>533075403If you haven't noticed, the gay of hormuz was open before america showed up. The US doesn't want it open.
The US will pressure Panama and other countries into pulling the registration from these ships. This is the death of the flag of convenience if nothing else: watch as they all re-flag to China which Trump wouldn't dare touch.
>>533077656one container ship could have thousands of club-kyou lost tranny
>>533111859it's been an hour, where's the missiles?
>>533076120I want to see what happens when your navy sinks a Chinese vessel. Will he continue to do nothing? Can he keep winning in that scenario by doing nothing?
