Ayn Rand stan thread.1. Everybody who ever read "Atlas Shrugged" start-to-finish became a capitalist and is a success in life.2. No Communist ever read this book fully (although they claim they did). A Leftist would NEVER continue to read a 650,000 word book, about a philosophy they hate.>inb4 kikeyes, yes.
>>533198345I'd call it political fantasy novel
>>533198345>Ayn RandWasn't she... Jewish?
>became a capitalistYou probably don't have capital and neither does most of the people who read that book from start to finish. You are not a capitalist, you are a rich man ball licker.
>>533198345i read it cover to cover and am still a poorfagwhen do i get the gold?>>533198688i'd call it a rape fantasy novel
>>533198345Bait or retarded? Call it
>>533198840>when do i get the gold?When you invent something that's worth it.A 100% transactional society sounds like a jewish wet dream and a nightmare for everyone else, just as much as communism.
>>533198345I feel that Dagny was an unrealistic female character and I didn't appreciate how she cucked Hank
I read this book front to back in middle school and i was not allowed to participate in the economy due to identity politics , i also got into several physical altercations with my father over this book im glad i read her, she helped me understand rob wilson. I still very much like her view on psychology though i think objectively sorcery exists
>>533198345I liked the movie
>>533198345I was reading this on a train at age 15 when a creepy old communist faggot started heckling me about it. I was still right at the start where it was still just a comfy book about some industrial tycoons, so his anger only made me more interested.Now at age 31 I have about $1.3m net worth and a $230k job. It's not my favourite book by any stretch, but it was definitely formative to some extent, and it hit me at a good time when I was already reading a bunch of other dystopian sci-fi.I think it gets a lot of justified hate about the self-insert characters and the entire speech section, but where I think it's really underrated is in how precisely it predicts the mindset and behaviour of leftists. It didn't shape my views so much as it shaped my perception of my enemies, and I still see the events of the book happen in the real world even today.
>>533198345This book still has the most accurate depiction of leftists I've ever seen and it's more relevant today than it's been in a long time. Mamdani is like a caricature of an Ayn Rand villain.
>>533198345I've only read a few pages of that book, there was a "scene" where the libtard feminist heroine who can do her job better than any man start hearing mysterious music while playing with her fishnets ... or some such. Didn't read past that.Chick lit is chick lit is chick lit, is what I'm trying to say.
>>533198345I read it, and like the adventure mystery story.But trying to build your politics around it makes as much sense as building it around john carter of mars.
>>533199494john carter of mars gave us superman , anything that gets us to mars is a good thing
>>533198345i want every liberaly do nothing lay about lazy pudo nigger skin in this thread that you deserve nothing unless you work for it, and working in fast food / retail is not a real fucking job, those jobs are made for teenagers and ex cons. im 35 this year and will never work again, and the majority of my wealth i give to others. go fuck yourself lazy faggot commies, ill fucking kill you if you try to up-end my capital.
>>533198747Only a jew could think a 3 hour monologue is a climax
>don’t you goys just love alyssa rosenbaum?!
>>533198345>creating retarded hyperbolic scenarios in your head to beat your chest on an underwater basket weaving forumyou didn't read the book.>1pbtIDah, a bot.
>>533199586It was just so entirely unnecessary. There was nothing in the speech that hadn't already been spelled out in detail through the rest of the book.
>>533198345I found parts of Objectivism to be pretty cool. I only ever read, "The Fountainhead," still consider it one of the best fiction books I've ever read. I did check out several of Rand's essays about Objectivism; I found most of it very Based.
>>533199611rand is one of the most antisemetic jews of all time ( if you can offer another example I am open to hearing it)
>>533199404>how precisely it predicts the mindset and behaviour of leftists.>>533199416>This book still has the most accurate depiction of leftists I've ever seenthats why they hate it so muchit trivializes them
>>533198345I read a large amount of her work, including that book, and it's all shit. She was a silly bitch and her entire worldview was retarded. You want to know the one that just ended it for me? The Romantic Manifesto. That's the one where I just started reading it, realized everything she said was bullshit, and just called it quits on her. She tried to take her bullshit philosophy too far and made an ass of herself. I'd done with her bullshit by the age of 15 or so.
>>533199665Truer shit has not come out of Egypt since Ptolemy. well actually Ptolemy was wrong but you know.
Homes are for productive members of society. NOT workshy bums/parasites.Consider getting your life together.CC: Lambright
>>533199553>anything that gets us to mars is a good thingA Marsfag in an Ayn Rand thread. Why am I not surprised. Same level of delusional fantasy. We need to get the Galt's Gulchers to Mars asap. Please fuck off to there with them.
>>533199572>and the majority of my wealth i give to others. go fuck yourself lazy faggot commies
>>533198992Not a Rand stan I think you misunderstand her philosophy. She believed that say, taking care of your kids because you loved them was a virtue, but letting your own kids starve to feed someone else out of a sense of obligation was gay and soipilled.
Playing through BioShock is making me want to read it for the first time.
>>533199700>>533199586>*John Galt looks directly into the camera and proceeds to spend the next 3 hours lecturing the reader on the exact same thing that they have just been SHOWN in the previous 27 chapters and ~50 hours of reading the book*Unnecessary is right. Such an odd choice. I guess Rand thought so little of the reader that she felt the need to explain it twice, but the whole point of writing a novel instead of a textbook is to show your philosophy in practice through a story instead of just outright explaining everything
Mossad slide thread. Ignore.
>>533199997yes, i give money away to induviduals to better thier lives and those around them, you want me to give it to isreal, or make srue it goes to taxes to pay for all the other lazy pudo niggers? its over for kikes.
>>533200012She explicitly said in The Romantic Manifesto that the foundational motivation for love was self-interest, even in cases of self-sacrifice. She stated that in cases of self-sacrifice love was motivated by the inability to endure life without self-sacrifice for the object of one's love, or basically pain aversion. I can more readily accept the notion that love is merely hormonal than her bullshit explanation that everything is about self-interest. She was a fucking retard.
>>533200034>>533200053>writing a novel instead of a textbookShe has written novels but also nonfiction books and essays, so this one novel isn't necessarily the right place to start>>533200127Sounds like you're the retard. What you can personally accept has absolutely no intrinsic weight.
>>533200053>but the whole point of writing a novel instead of a textbook is to show your philosophy in practice through a story instead of just outright explaining everythingShe wrote both novels and dry philosophy. Her philosophy was bullshit. Her real best novel was probably Anthem, short and to the point, unlike Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead, both of which have been criticized for strongly resembling each other, with some people saying she wrote the same book twice. Reading her efforts at merely explaining her beliefs instead of writing stories about them is literally painful. She was just so bad at it, and it just didn't work because her ideas were basically retard tier.
>>533199746>it trivializes themthat's the best part about the book. leftists are TRIVIAL in their politics. in that aspect of their lives they are not human.
>>533200267>some people say>which have been criticizedFound the Last Man
>>533198345Not only did I read the book and become an objectivist, it later became obvious that her philosophy was sophomoric and based on strawmen and misunderstandings.Now I’m a Christian and quasi-libertarian, life is much better
>>533199766Wow you're so cool man
Actually, one thing that would have been horrifically fascinating to listen to would have been a discussion between Ayn Rand and Leopold Von Sacher Masoch on the subject of love. They were both apparently emotional cripples with disturbing beliefs. Maybe have Freud sit in for some side commentary. Almost like a dream debate. Shame it couldn't have happened.
>>533200404You're basically the fucking trumpet meme guy from the late 2000s, youre a nobody who thinks we all need to give a fuck about your opinion
>>533198345All economic systems and government structures are possible in a high-trust homogeneous society.Only retards think that there is anything inherently good/bad in any of them. It is purely a matter of the people whom implement them. It isn't matter of capitalism good and communism bad, or vice-versa.Get rid of niggers and jews.btw OP, Ayn Rand might seem cool when you are a teenager and in your anti-government lolbert phase, but you will grow up and mature.
>>533200012There is no right answer to this LMAO. Each of them deserves the seat but there's only one. It's like so 1 is old and has heavy bags but she's old so it even matter if she dies? And she is hoarding all that food. But it morally justifiable to kill kick old people to the curb? Number 2 is young so she is strong but she is also carrying new life and is literally about to give birth. So do you really want to stress her out so she goes into labor right then and there? Number 3 is the easiest to ignore but is it? He's a cripple and even though you can he's the youngest, he is less physically fit then all of them. So is making him stand morally correct? Number 4 is a young mom working presumably with 2 kids to care for. She is a strong women but is with more burden than the other 3. Doesn't she deserve a break?
>>533198345I read it I didnt become a capitalist
>>533200328>that's the best part about the book. leftists are TRIVIAL in their politics. in that aspect of their lives they are not human.You're misunderstanding most leftists. The majority of them are UNEDUCATED about real life, not trivial. They have neither resources nor experience. They literally don't understand supply chains, resource management, manufacturing, or pretty much any subject related to building civilization, because they haven't worked in those fields and don't have life experience. They want better lives, and don't know how to build them. Most of that is because our public school system is just retard farming so there'll be plenty of grist for the mill of low-wage labor. They never had much of a chance, and can't find a way out of the fish bowl of their lives. They know the world has more to offer, but can't escape their fates. They literally don't understand how to work their way out of the hole they're in, and both want to just demand more and be shown how, but mostly just care about the result. Neither the training nor the improved life are forthcoming. Thus they're just malcontents. They say and do things malcontents do. They have no other options available. If you want to change them, change what their lives can be, but you won't be able to change much because we still need grist for the low-wage labor mill.
>>533198345Leftist here.I only read fountainhead. Atlas shrugged sits on my shelf. Sorry bout itI watched all the Ayn Rand interviews though. Enshitification and capitalists becoming politicians more than destroys her worldview.
Francisco's money speech was worth the whole read
>>533200554There are limited resources (1 seat) and you have to make a moral decision based on your own values, which basically proves Rand's central thesis. Who gets to sit in the seat depends on what you personally value. It might be that the choice that you make is to decide to outsource your decision making to a third party, like a preacher or something, but ultimately it is your moral decision and the only one who can be held accountable is you. Don't follow any path which brings you to make decisions contrary to your own values. That is Rand's philosophy.
>>533198345Reading a book isn't as big of a deal as you think it is
>>533200698Rand's philosophy was never that simple or coherent. She wrote multiple books of philosophy along with her fiction, if it could be summed up so succinctly, none of that would have been necessary.
>>533200698>>533200825Succinctly is just run-of-the-mill moral relativity. Nothing profound or deep, just a new facade wrapped around the same old dusty concept.
>>533200825It sounds like you didn't understand it, you don't understand the concept of a central thesis, and you fail to comprehend that there are emergent details from simple principles.Anyway, past my bedtime, niggers, and cloudflare is really fucking slow today, so good night.
>>533198345If you read anton lavey's treatise on satanism, then you understand why only kike-minded individuals think Rand is persuasive and why they want others to consume her books
Funny how a few people in this thread, including myself, have noted that their Rand phase was around 15 years old. Seems the guy she bequeathed her full inheritance to discovered her at that age as well, and turned her grift into his own windfall. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/ayn-rand-peikoff-inheritance-battle/682219/
>>533199416Yeah, it’s kind of like how They Live perfectly captures Republicans
>>533199404>$1.3m>230K jobOZ Dollarydoosnot a flex as you think m8btw, how is your soul?>>533199416Rand is great at describing leftist behaviour but that's where my good words end. She is a Jewish Speed Freak Cuckhold. >>533200350based>>533200736I don't think you understand how big of an impact this book was on old chuds, especially from /n/ /new/ days
>>533200012She never grounds why you ought to value your children, she just leaves it up to "any rational agent would", which is just bad philosophy.It leaves you with the only real core value is self-interest
>>533201118>not a flex as you think m8Not him but any one with that kind of money and worth owns their own home and that is a fleeting dream nowadays. He unequivocally made it.
>>533200698I pick the mom with two kids. It's up to her whether or not she thinks the pregnant lady is more deserving.
>>533200658Libertarians will quiver and moan all they like about government intervention ruining capitalism, but the problem is for the profit driven the most effective source of revenue is in subverting and corrupting the government to make it complicit. Democracy and capitalism are inherently weak and malleable. So is communism.But you just have to weigh all political systems against the inherent harm to the ethnos to see which ought reign. I used to think monarchy was best, but thinking about it, the English royal family are literally not English lmao
>>533198345https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3zolaQKsjY&list=RDMM&index=12
>>533201281>>533201118I still have a mortgage on my house, but I just included the equity minus liabilities of that in my net worth. So I could pay everything off, but I would have to sell my LINK to do it.But yeah, I'm very happy and my life has never been better. I don't have to worry about my finances, but my real wealth comes from my two beautiful children. I definitely think I've made it.
>>533198345The whole system of Galt"s Gulch breaks down as soon as children and inheritance gets involved
>>533201563You will hear that beyond everything.You will taste that there is something.
>>533201590Good for you anon. Hope you bought land large enough to build on. Your kids aren't gonna have it easy. I know a plumber that went rural and bought enough land to build each of his kids a granny flat on it. Now that's success. You could charge em a pittance in rent geared towards paying off the cost of building itself, just so they don't get lazy, but by and large it's infinitely better than anything else.
>>533201713Even if the absemce would look like like fa t lesbian.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95HqlWRFrAk&list=RDMM&index=13I think somehwhere down the line you of your liking.
>>533201638The framework does not break down when children are introduced, since it can incorporate them as part of an agent’s values.However, doing so requires appealing to what a “rational agent would value,” which she fails to ground
Reminder that Ayn Rand failed at starting a cult akin to Scientology, went bankrupt, and was saved by the social welfare system. She tried to hide it by taking it under a fake name and her cult denied it. After documentation was uncovered proving she did indeed collect welfare they started arguing "SHE WAS JUST GETTING HER OWN MONEY BACK!" even though she took the money out of necessity (and hid that she did so).
>>533199404>how precisely it predicts the mindset and behaviour of leftists.Leftists are a creation of the CIA. People do what you tell them. This isn't natural anything.
Why is it shilled so hard in the movie 2012 then?
'if the situation was hopeless the propaganda would be unnecessary' is one of the most important quotes of our times and it is attributed to a man named john who does not exist- quite literally a john galt quote
>>533198345fuck off lolbert kike
>>533198345It was weird seeing Rand explore her sexual fantasies through Dagny Taggart.The book was a slog.You can just clip John Galt's speech, revise it into a treatise, and get the same effect, without all the bullshit autistic train obsession.>muh weapon xComically absurd.
>>533199831You're going to jail for cyber stalking. Get your life in order.
Ayn Rand was a jew. The idea that within society there are certain people (capitalists) who are simply better than everyone else, the rest of the populace should simply subordinate to their business interests and the only people who stand in the way of these ubermenschen are insecure underachieving losers, is based on the jewish notion that they are god's divinely chosen who do all the best thinking, businessing and banking, the goym ought put them in charge of everything and the only people who have a problem with that are antisemites who are secretly bitter about their racial/ethnic/cultural inferiority. There, I solved Ayn Rand/Atlas Shrugged for you. Now stop worshipping Epstein-class cock.
the fountain head part where the guy works in that quarry and rapes that women were so boring and I just stopped right there
>>533198345>the whole planet will mother fucking kneel to THIS MAN because he's just more intelligent and better than everyone else>NOOOOO I don't care, you can torture me as much as you wnat I will NOT govern the whole planet;... you don't dfeserve me!you can tell a woman wrote this
>>533204562Don’t forget the hidden paradise he flies to where nobody toxic is left.
>>533199404But you don't have a soul
i've read it and i've been neet since 16 (now 30)i like its aesthetics, and theatrical style and scope, but the 'politics' r just silly
>>533200053I skipped the oligarchic collectivism bit in 1984 the first time I read it but greatly enjoyed it the second time around
>>533198345she's just so bad at writingit's so boring to read this trashher ideas are not capitalism, but being self willedbeing a wild animalit's more anarchy then capitalism
>>533199487Oof. No wonder your people never advanced past the last flood.Empathy with females is how you understand why subjugation is necessary, and allows you to see where it can stop.
Ayn Rand cuts herself. Don't make me show you the proof.
>>533198747Yes. She also cucked her husband with one of her core followers (Nathaniel Branden) and then when Branden broke up with her she threw a rest-of-her-life-long tantrum over him.The best summary of the novel that I've seen went something like "a woman rises to the pinnacle of careerism in her quest to meet the greatest man in the world and become his bangmaid." Someone posted it in a Rand thread a few weeks ago.
>>533198345> jew foid wants a strong, handsome psycho to dick her down goodHow is this different from 50 shades of grey or any other foid porn?
>>533198345>Ayn Rand 1. hideous jewess 2. rabid zionist 3. sexual pervert 4. psychopathic kike who tricked dumb goyim into becoming lolberts
>>533198345Ok but if you read fountain head it's clear that Ayn Rand is lonely, has no friends, and delusionally writes fantasies about high value men dumping her. It's just pride and prejudice but cucked and boomer pilled. Seriously she writes her own forward and only talks about herself, it's pathetic. People hate on her but I can't. She's a case study in narcissistic and self destructive mental illness.
>>533198345Isn't it just nitzsche/Aristotle for idiots?
>>533199586It's like a scientific paper anon. She's autistic and likes to listen to herself speak.
>>533204992I personally love the part where he is the only one who understand how work an electric chair.
>>533199404Yeah, if this book gets one thing 100% correct, it's the behavior of commie fags.
>>533198345Guess she didnt read her own work then.
>>533199586It's more of a Russian writer thing. Dostoyevsky also has 20+ page monologues in Crime and Punishment.>>533210202>The best summary of the novel that I've seen went something like "a woman rises to the pinnacle of careerism in her quest to meet the greatest man in the world and become his bangmaid." Someone posted it in a Rand thread a few weeks ago.This is every woman's idea of a novel if we are honest.I have read the novel many years ago and what I took from it was that Ayn Rand wanted to predict America's political and economic future through objectivism. The plot revolves around CEOs being robbed of their technology/products (Rearden is forced to sell his new steel to clients he didn't want to sell to) while the country decays very similarly to what happened in the USSR which is impressive since the book was published in 1956.There is romance in it but it's clearly not the main focus of the work.I always found weird how much hate Ayn Rand receives in the internet since Objectivism is the ultimate libtard ideology. She was an atheist and an extreme individualist. I understand commies hating it but even lolbertarians seem to hate her. You'd think she'd have more cultural dominance atleast with the boomers.>>533205990She hated anarchism. Her whole shtick is to be rational like a redditor.
>>533198345I'm a capitalist, but the writing is really bad. 10% of it it "James Taggard screamed" and another 10% is the MC getting wet for some industrialist.It showcases pretty well how socialists chase away productive members of society, though.Also Any Rand is a kike who died living from social security.
>>533198840Pick one of the main characters and act out their role. For me I'd be Dannesskjöld
>>533211852Says the kraut living off of American Social Security. Have fun when the US drops out of NATO and you have hordes of Asians on your eastern border waiting to Genghis Kahn in your mushy german ass.
>>533198345The book made me hope for a civil war so I can get away with murdering communists.
>>533211619>didn't understand the book at all
>>533198345>>533198747>Ayn Rand wrote a short essay condemning racism [in America and Europe] as “the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism.”>Ayn Rand said Israel has a moral right to control as much land as is necessary to safeguard itself against attack. While Rand did not advocate sending American troops into the conflict, she did argue that America should “Give all the help possible to Israel.”
The Fountainhead was the better work.
>>533212117migger delusions. NATO serves the US only.you can fuck off for all I care.
>>533215310and of course the migger was enraged by a slight against a jew.can't make this shit up.
>>533200012I pick Woman with kids, there is a chance the pregnant woman is carrying a nigger
>>533198345>a 650,000 word bookso can someone give me a tl;dr in like a 15 line greentext?
>>533198345@grok provide a summary of Rand's ideas. Whose ideas are empirically superior, hers or L. Ron Hubbard's?
>>533217736>wealthy elite fantasy about being irreplaceable.
>>533201200>She never grounds why you ought to value your childrenShe actually does in the Virtue of Selfishness:>Self esteem comes from the development of rational values derived from your highest faculties of reason (to the best of your ability)>Your children are raised by you, and thus [presumably] taught the same values that you love in yourselfElsewhere in the book she basically describes love in the sense of values; that it's rational to love and admire those with great values.
>>533198345I read it in Argentinian and now I am a successful tile setter with Bathroom Tile and Paint Inc.
