Remind me again why this system is more efficient and moral than Medicare for All like every other developed nation?
>>533211569In Canada the patient would be killed before being dumped.
Because you're in favor of mass-immigration and putting the illegal arrivals on free everything. Any government healthcare initiative would be bankrupted immediately by California and New York and add tens of trillions to the debt. Americans are already taxed to the hilt, and you're effectively demanding a new tax. If you want goodies, you need to exercise common sense first. All your problems are caused by the very policies you support.
>>533211569Faggot, you’re advocating for dumping even more resources into the spic-nig cycle. Retard.
>>533211569medicare merely shifts how hospitals express poor treatment.hospitals love to experiment on medicare customers, with drugs or staff in training.hospitals love to place medicare customers in doorways or in halls, for others to see.hospitals love to decide what is best for you, right down to your meal. say you pick chicken, they will intentionally bring something else instead.in a capitalist society, disdain for the poor never goes away.
>>533211637>In Canada the patient would be killed before being dumped.So you're just making shit up now? >>533211735>Because you're in favor of mass-immigration and putting the illegal arrivals on free everythingThere isn't a single left-wing politician in favor of this. You're again making shit up.>>533211754>more resourcesHow is breaking up healthcare monopolies and cutting out middle men "more resources"?
>>533211569how about this, pick one of your fucking states, try free healthcare and education for a bit, see how it goes. i guess New York may already be trending in that direction with the soc dem mayor.
>>533211569Universal healthcare is really going to win at the ballot box this time. Buy O’nigger care.
>>533211928>There isn't a single left-wing politician in favor of this. You're again making shit up.Gavin Newsom. I win. https://budget.house.gov/press-release/icymi-newsom-extends-free-healthcare-to-700000-illegal-immigrants-despite-record-budget-deficithttps://cis.org/Richwine/Course-Illegal-Immigrants-Access-Public-Health-Benefits
>>533211735this/thread
>>533211569That picture is Ai
>>533211569pic rel is the source of your problemsplead the 2nd to jewish criminal occupation of americano matter what model you come up with jews will destroy everything nice you have and pay themselves out of your funds
>>533211569Fake story. She required no medical attention and refused to leave. She does this weekly. We do need to bring back asylums for people like this.
>>533211569they system is more efficient at making the rich richer, and keeping the proles voting for them, that is the true priority. but hospitals could never actually deal with all the sick, they have to triage, there are only so many beds
>>533211928Ur a lying faggot, son
>>533211754
This is what winning the cold war looks like
Hey, chat, is this real?
>>533211637>Americans actually defending their overpriced shit system.We have reach peak slavery. Mental subjugation.
>>533213091americans must always copeotherwise they would get a mental breakdown realizing that some countries do some things better
>>533211735>Because you're in favor of mass-immigrationNo, Amerishart. It's because you are demonic beasts who do not value human life.
>>533213091>Americans actually defending their overpriced shit system.You don't understand.Amerisharts are all just temporarily embarrassed billionaires, waiting to take their rightful place at the table.In the mean time, they are defending their future rights.It all makes sense, in their mind.
>>533212917>medicare for all AmericansWhat’s an ‘American’, dipshit?
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>>533211569Fuck that guy, he deserves to be there. I waited in the ER for 8 hours one time. Some homeless faggot was somehow triaged in front of me despite me having appendicitis. All he fucking wanted was the bed. I ended up being his roommate later on and they had to physically force the homeless bitch out of his bed to leave. I hate the homeless so much. They use the ER like a free home for a couple hours on cold days and force the system to a grinding halt. They should've thrown him off the top of the parking garage.
>>533211569I get health insurance from my job.
>>533211569Because it is
>>533212198>We do need to bring back asylums for people like this.Why? Why should we waste money on trying to rehabilitate the hopeless? No one in this country should be homeless. There are countless programs you could take advantage of to be homed. That means anyone that is homeless is a lost cause drug addict schizophrenic. We don't need to baby these monsters, we need to eradicate them. I'm tired of wasting so many resources on these worthless sacks of shit. Let em fucking die.
>>533211569Because medicare for all would cost 4 trillion a year and you have open borders.
>>533211990No ballot box is going to change the reality that we cannot afford the 1-2 trillion PER YEAR it would take.
>>533218234i almost died in the emerg waiting room as the staff were bogged down with endless nonwhites looking to get doctor attention without making an appointment.6 fucking hours i sat and threw up every 20 mins. they finally found a bed for me right as i told them to get a janitor because i'm not bothering to aim for the toilet anymore.and the doctor scolded me for not coming in sooner. i didn't even know i was proper sick until maybe a couple hours before i went to the hospital. in order to come in sooner i'd have to be part of the problem clogging up the emerg room every time i've got a minor flu or a case of disagreeable food.
>>533211569because it culls poors, honestly net negative states should be cut off from access to federal funds
>>533218588Yeah, it's bullshit. If you're white they treat you like garbage. They wouldn't even give me a fucking tylenol when I was experiencing appendicitis pain, which anyone that's had it knows it is excruciating. I was throwing up too because of the pain. They just gave me a little bag and told me to sit back down. If I were some homeless drug addict or illegal shitskin they would've rolled out the red carpet for me. And it burns me up especially to know none of them fucking pay a dime. I literally subsidize their care by paying exorbitant bills while they come in once a week for a warm room. I'm beyond disgusted with these creatures.
>>533218379That’s very edgy, but this is still and will continue to be a Christian nation. Also you’re missing the point of homelessness. They build shelters and needle exchanges in your neighborhood because they want to show you the consequences of not being a wagey. It’s a tool of social engineering. So to counter that you need an actual solution. And the solution is to put the ones that are beyond repair into asylums where they can’t hurt themselves or others, and to place the ones that can be rehabilitated into work programs aka chain gangs where fresh air and meaningful work and a regular schedule and a guard with a shotgun will keep them clean and sober. This will also resolve the migrant farm worker issue.
>>533211569>why this system is more efficient it's free and hardly takes any effort>and moral than Medicareit's immoral to take my money for your benefit
>>533211569>Democrat Governor, Democrat mayor.Why are Democrats allowing this?
If productivity and income hadn't split in the '70s, the typical American family would be so wealthy that nobody would be asking for socialism.
>>533218876That's not edgy, you fucking twat. These are failed human. Why divert a single resource to them or caring for them? They offer nothing to this world. Leeches are more useful than these walking parasites. We need to just round them up and throw them in the middle of the ocean. You've clearly never had to interact with homeless people or you'd hate them too. I'm disgusted whenever I see someone stick a fiver out their window for one of these worthless vermin. I literally watched a guy not even get up off his ass to walk a couple cars back, instead waiting for the light to turn so the guy giving him money can drive up to him. This was when I had to work 20 minutes for $5 and he wouldn't even walk 20 feet. I hate the homeless like you wouldn't fucking believe.
>>533218894>it's immoral to take my money for your benefitThis is an interesting idea, is inheritance immoral? It isn't your money, you didn't make it.
>>533211928so you are just going to sit there and lie? kek.
>>533219364Inheritance is given, you absolute dipshit.
>>533219428But not earned.
>>533219200>These are failed human. Why divert a single resource to them or caring for them?Many homeless people are mentally ill this country and its system failed them.
>>533211569Those are patients that refused the Covid vax
>>533219491Are you fucking brain damaged? Do you not see the inherent difference between taking someone's money by force to give to someone else and someone choosing to bequeath their wealth to a family member? What a fucking tool.
>>533211754The person in the pic looks White. They are most likely only kicking out White patients so they can reserve beds for shitskins.
>>533219564Sucks to be them then. I fall to see how that's my problem.
>>533211637Imagine getting your information from memes and clickbait headlines from articlss that you don't read.
>>533211928>There isn't a single left-wing politician in favor of immigration and giving immigrants free shitBro what are you smoking?
>>533211569In Canada they wouldn't even bother treating them, they would just euthanize them. In England, they would die while waiting to be seen by a GP let alone waiting to be referred on to a specialist. At least here in America they can get treatment even if they have no where to go afterward.
>>533219364>is inheritance immoralcommunist faggot
>>533219610Yes I see the difference, do you understand the concept of inherited privilege? The wealthy can afford private schools and tutors for their kids and Ivy League legacies and they get inheritance so we end up with a permanent overclass that is nearly impossible to break in to. There is no reason to preserve that system for 98% of us.
indemnity status?
>>533219652>Sucks to be them then. I fall to see how that's my problem.I realize you are a sociopath and thats fine but we don't have to allow people like you to define our society.
>>533219741Bro, rich people aren't the reason you're too stupid to get a job.
>>533219610while I disagree with that anon's line of reasoning, making inheritance something of the past, makes everyone earn enough for themselves and their families this generation. The idea that wealth and power should be transferred from family to family died when the Democratic age began.
>>533219789Nah, we need to let crackheads and psychos do it. You're so smart.
>>533211569The system is extremely efficient, it's just not doing what you want it to do
>>533219815>Bro, rich people aren't the reason you're too stupid to get a job.There is a system of preserving the elite class in this society why allow this? We should have a meritocracy and a social state.
>>533219857There's nothing stopping you from amassing your own wealth except your own stupidity. Communism boils down to jealousy. Every fucking time. You have more than me so I want it. Live your own life and stop worrying about what other people are doing.
The last time I went to a hospital there were homeless people trying to bullshit their way into spending the day and night there.
>>533219898Complex systems won't survive the autism crisis
>>533219965Yeah, I'm sure the guy bitching online about other people having money would be an elite if only he was given the chance. Just come to terms with the fact you're a worthless shithead and the only way you can make money is by taking it from someone else.
>>533220062I don't think anybody's saying they're going to be an elite, but when a tiny percentage of the population is sucking up virtually all the money there's going to be consequences for the rest of the population, like we're seeing now.
>>533220062>bitching online about other people having moneyWhen have I done this, I say only we should have a different system, one that discourages a permanent elite class and one that encourages merit based prosperity and social security for all.
What morality system are you using OP? There's morality systems where immorality is moral
>>533219364>hmmm. I will give my money to my family after I pass. I have made the decision to do so.>BuT iSnT tHaT iMmOrAl??Fucking communist scum. Pinko faggot.
If you don't want a jeet doctor to say "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD SAR" and slay you on the spot, then you might be a communist hippie
>>533211569Medicare in Canada should not be provided for newcomers, also anyone convicted of a vio;lent crime pedo shit or was already sick. So many jeets smoking 24/7 i cant wait untill allof them need cancer treatment... yay we have to give street shitters a hotpital bed so they can get back to delivering goyslop and amazon packages. Fuk you niggers.Trump should make a deal with IRAN, we will allow you Uranium as long as you ahem "Dont point it at US, meaning this way we can get IRAN and ISRAEL to NUKE each other in a HOly Jihadi war... and the world will rejoice and be glad in this erradication of races of humans that should hav enever been created.HAIL HYDRA!!!@@@
>>533220365I know you guys don't actually understand economies and how they work so you are quick to throw around the "commie" label. I'm not a communist or a socialist I recognize we have a tiny permanent elite class, these people didn't earn their position, elite status is inherited. We can have a different kind of market based system that discourages the forming of permanent elite classes and encourages merit and ingenuity and treats its citizens humanely, where sick people aren't put on the sidewalk.
>>533211637The veterans affairs death lists scandal prove we already do this in America and with government paid health care.
>>533211569Classic louisville, nigger central democrat stronghold.
>>533220233>Seething with jealousy>>533220242>merit based prosperitySo you'd still be a broke ass.>>533220559How many homeless have you taken into your home?
>>533211569Because sometimes death is a kindness. See, that's the problem with you socialists. You think the system is benevolent and created to do good. Every problem has the same solution: government. Iatrogenic death goes dow the more funding for genetic destruction declines. These people now get to be free.
>>533211928>There isn't a single left-wing politiciantrue
>>533211569why do you think its ok for the federal government to assume undelegated powers without an amendment to legitimize said powers?you dumb fags never answer this part or the fact that if its ok to do this for le healthcare then its ok to do this for anything the government thinks is good for you
>>533211569Because then you would have to pay for le blacks healthcare o algo
>>533211827Replace capitalist with jew and poor for goy and you've got it right every single time from russia to rome.
>>533211569>dumping patients onto the streetsThat has always been a thing.
Man this board is nothing but pajeets and kikes arguing with each other. I hope more americans become homeless just so they can see what kind of cowardly parasitic scum they themselves are just to be unable to criticise the powerful, brave and parasitic juden
>>533221133>Man this board is nothing but pajeets and kikes arguing with each other.And Butthurt Belters contributing nothing.
good good. now pay your $10 000 billions of foreign debt, usa.
>>533211735>>533211928lefty states already are paying for healthcare for illegals via financial chicanery like provider taxes. Illegals absolutely benefit from gibs in many way, any lefty politician who says they don't is lying through their fucking teethhttps://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cms-moves-shut-down-medicaid-loophole-protects-vulnerable-americans-saves-billions
>>533213091Perhaps the point was less>"well it's not as bad as Canada!"and more>"this continent is a nightmare"Since your options in North America include:>$10,000,000,000 bill for lifesaving treatment (poor? get out)>encouragement to die so you don't burden Canada's healthcare system>Ayyy ese you want some fake oxys or cheap plastic surgery? aye carumba!
>>533211928No we would wait until the disease is incurable then offer MAID at taxpayer's expense
>>533211637Uh, no, we would never dump valuable organs, meat and bones that could be sold to a friendly jewish company that is friends with the local politicians and co-owner of the hospital.
>>533211928>making shit up
>>533211569She voted for it.
>>533211928>So you're just making shit up now?As someone with a loved one who's dealing with the hospital system now, no he's not making it up. Perhaps not as direct as trying to kill him, but they sure are hell are trying to push them out of the hospital and into hospice to just die there, when there's no reason to believe they're going to die anytime soon.
>533220559>you guys don't actually understandTranslation:>you guys don't believe, and that's wrong because things that make us feel good are good
>>533219857Can people give gifts to others? Then whatever you would try to confiscate will be given as a gift. Ban gifts? They will start a company, hire a kid as an executive, and give stocks as compensation, then pump money into the company, etc.If you somehow managed to entirely prevent wealth transfer, it would consumed in life and wasted on frivolities, resulting in significant malinvestment and significantly reduced capital to fund investments in the future.
>>533219741None of those things you mention are inheritance and could not be stopped short of banning any private supplemental education.
>>533224857This, if transfer of wealth became illegal then for one I would move internationally with my millions. I have no intention of letting hoards of brown people parasite themselves off my efforts while my son becomes a hated minority with nothing. The US has become very hostile to white men as of late, I am already considering leaving but an end to inheritance would guarantee it. If everywhere banned it then I would conveniently change my money into physical gold and have a ship sink. Then salvage rights and maritime law would allow my son to collect it. However, I believe just creating a private business would be easier. Changing who controls a wealth producing asset is a nontaxable event. I’d be forced to convert my wealth into any kind of capital venture, like a rental company and buy a bunch of apartments or controlling share in an apartment rental company. Then as the controlling member he would get shareholder distributions for it his entire life. If it is not public then he would be the CEO and get the highest wages the system could produce.Frankly, I want him to go to college and contribute to research and I just let him inherit my house and some cash for investing someday, but if I am forced to then I will share my wealth in much more destructive ways for the average American. You literally cannot prevent it without destroying the economy completely and I can afford more lawyers for loopholes than you can. Brown people will never have a life of leisure based on my work.
>>533212061That healthcare is for illegals, anon. Not you. You're paying for it though.
>>533222865meanwhile in kentucky you can be a legal citizen and you get dumped out on the street to die. say it with me now GOD BLESS THE USA
>>533211569>more moralIf you think demanding others give you things you can't afford is moral, I legitimately want you to die anyway.Socialized healthcare only works long-term when it's not a gibs me dat, but a socially responsible community contributing to stabilize itself.Our system here is collapsing under the weight of darkies and degenerates that only take.
>>533224971or you could cancel college debt just like biden inteded to dorepublicans hate the working class
>>533211569If you are poor, you are a failure and we should not tolerate those who aren't winning. This is AMERICA for fucksake, contribute to our national success or die, accepting and making sacrifices for weak people is what leads to nations falling apart.
>>533211637Nah, they put us in the corridors instead.
>>533211569People only get discharged to the street as a last option. Homeless show up and threaten to kill themselves to get a turkey sandwich and a warm bed. They don’t pay a fucking cent.
>>533211569this is a kike, nigger abusing gibs and faggot congress problem
>>533211735are you saying illegals get free healthcare but they ask thousands for american born citizen?
Where do people get the idea that Americans are anything but individualists? Patriotism died a long time ago.
Doctors literally just peddle poison, at best they excise coagulated poison from your body, reluctantly, extremely rarely. They are completely useless and paying them is a disservice to humanity. Tossing people out the door is the most humane thing they actually do, did you forget they require your own blood just to do tests that prove nothing?Fuck capitalism, but fuck socialism even more, fuck everyone who thinks niggers get my fucking tax money, and fuck you
>>533212917nice one
>>533223701>>533218378This is the reason your country is going down like the Titanic. You Amerifags are incapable of just accepting that bad things are happening in your country. A mentally stable person would say "Holy shit! That's fucked up!" Instead you have some sort of national brain parasite that forces you to defend literally everything that happens. School shootings, president raping children, hospital patients thrown out in the street, whatever. You will argue until you're blue in the face that all those things are good.>inb4 "nuh-uh, you!"
>>533227601ask him for a list of illegals registered to get free healthcarehe will never provide you one
>>533211569The medical system in america is fucked because it's the worst of both approaches with none of the upsides. Get government the fuck out of health care
>>533211569I'm not paying for browns to live
>>533227601Yes. Niggers get free healthcare too.
>>533211569Because they send them to meet Jesus. They're doing them a favor. Healthcare is satanic.
>>533228113>registered to get free healthcareThey go to the emergency room and then skip the bill because they don't have goodgoy credentials. The cost of these bill skipping bloodsuckers is then forwarded on to those of us born in to the faggot systemSome states facilitate long term treatment
>>533211569American baby boomers voted for all of this with their, ballots, money, and time. they're getting what they fucking deserve
>>533228318we aren't talking about emergencies niggerwe're talking about if you have cancer and need treatment for months
>>533228318>The cost of these bill skipping bloodsuckers is then forwarded on to those of us born in to the faggot systemActually they get massive tax write offs for it from the government.You pay out the ass because of jewish middlemen parasitizing the system.
>>533211569go be a doctor then or you're a hypocrite, faggot
>>533211569Free and universal healthcare is very bad when it's for you, evil goy, but very good when it's for a poor Israeli widow. Pay up, nazi.
>>533211569And most Migatards believe that Free Healthcare is a commie hoax, yes many motherfucking immigrant assholes will abuse it, but at least the really most vulnerable people can still have a chance to get their treatment.In my country it's not totally free, the 13.5% of each paycheck gets deducted to cover our healthcare and also our retirement fund (you can also hire a private healthcare coverage and pay for another retirement fund if you want/can) but if you're buck broken and going through some medical emergency or sickness you can also request for coverage even if you're not paying but that's for very specific cases, also you healthcare covers your children and your wife if she's not working.Also you can pay for your voluntary payments if you are independent so everyone can have access to our healthcare system even if you're just a humble farmer, but still MIGAtards cannot wrap their heads around such concept.
>>533211569I would rather throw 1000 white men onto the street to die than pay for 1 nigger to get a flu shotanything else is communism and communism can't work
>>533211569I hate my fellow countrymen. You are all a bunch of fake-nice, fat, manipulative cunts and I don't want you to contribute to your health care costs. fuck you.
>>533218588Same, I almost died of apendicitis because the fat cunt clerk at the ER probably thought I was just some addict making shit up for meds, most likely put my case as super low priority if she even bothered to put it into the system, and made me wait 16h until I just fucked off to sleep back home which was godawful, then the next morning I just went straight to the private clinic right in front of the hospital, got a slip that said I had appendicitis and whennI went to the ER I was processed within minutes, with the doctor saying and I quote "why the fuck isnt he on the table already!?"Gotta love free healthcare lmao
>>533228635and in america you would've walked out of the hospital with a 200k bill LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>533214427This image is horseshit. The study was exclusively African Americans.>>533228635Brother had the same here in the US. Was at a school dance, godawful pain in abdomen, went to hospital. They told my mom he'd be drinking and to let him sleep it off. Mom knew that was bullshit, called our family doc, she checked him out and demanded the ER admit him immediately. Surgeon who did remove his appendix said it had been urgently necessary.
>>533211569>be insane transient >get a septic wound because you can't stop injecting aids needles>go to the hospital >they know you're a drug addicted vagrant>they are forced to accept you on their own dime despite your clear desire for self destruction>receive thousands of dollars of treatments, again, at hospital's expense>full recovery, perfectly capable of being discharged>go back to being the useless parasite you are >can't even be bothered to walk back to the gutter you crawled out ofAnd I'm supposed to feel bad about this why, exactly?>>533228698In a Mexican hospital you would have walked out with rabies or something
>>533229216actually a lot of your people come here to get treatments because we aren't ripping people off
>>533211637Yet it costs significantly less. For a country that prides itself on efficiency and cost-effective solutions, your private health care system isn't one of them. Unless you're a shareholder that is.
It's wagies that want their walmart wage to cover their healthcare bills despite being completely unremarkable humans and never thought about doing better in life because they were stuck in the cycle of white trash life force sucking on top of them getting raped by the boomer class from medicare to social security. Happy rape day.
