>The critical Atlantic current system appears significantly more likely to collapse than previously thought after new research found that climate models predicting the biggest slowdown are the most realistic. Scientists called the new finding “very concerning” as a collapse would have catastrophic consequences for Europe, Africa and the Americas.>The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (Amoc) is a major part of the global climate system and was already known to be at its weakest for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisis. Scientists spotted warning signs of a tipping point in 2021 and know that the Amoc has collapsed in the Earth’s past.>Climate scientists use dozens of different computer models to assess the future climate. However, for the complex Amoc system, these produce widely varying results, ranging from some that indicate no further slowdown by 2100 to those suggesting a huge deceleration of about 65%, even when carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning are gradually cut to net zero.>The research combined real-world ocean observations with the models to determine the most reliable, and this hugely reduced the spread of uncertainty. They found an estimated slowdown of 42% to 58% in 2100, a level almost certain to end in collapse.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/apr/15/critical-atlantic-current-significantly-more-likely-to-collapse-than-thought
>>533249522The only way to stop climate change is an indigenous European ethnoworld.
>>533249522damn, sounds serious. the climate catastrophist predictions have always been so accurate so i think i'll definitely start fretting about this to the point of depression.
>>533249522>negro swans are flying over my house
>>533249522>at its weakest for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisisThey've been driving SUV's since 400AD? Damn I hekin love science
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>>533249623>>533249748You’re gonna get the western world destroyed due to retardation lmfao
>>533249522sounds like the ocean needs more diversity. better get some contract ready to import some jeets and niggers to diversify it to stop this threat!
>planet billions of years old>measuring changes in 1/1000000000 scale>"jews want me scared so i pay more taxes for carbon that literally plants eat!"you guys are retardedkys
>>533249522Your entire post is based on a speculative clickbait headline and you are not bringing anything new to the table either. Bots like you are useless.
>>533249794im serious. i always believe the models and predictions. this is serious.how dare you
>>533249566>The only way to stop climate change is an indigenous European ethnoworld
So global warming is going to cause global cooling? Do I understand this correctly?
>>533249522CO2 doesn't stop ocean currents.You know what does? Solar output dropping.Several things can cause that.The sun turning its dial down, that's one, but then the whole world will cool as well (which is based).The second that comes to mind is the aerosolised sunshades that the glowies want to spray into the atmosphere, or launch up into orbit.
>>533249522>even when carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning are gradually cut to net zero.You do not have to have any science degree to know carbon cut is bullshit that achieves nothing but steals money from people.
>>533249967He's right though
>>533249982>Global warming causes polar ice to melt>Polar ice is fresh water>Fresh water changes the salinity level in the ocean>Change in salinity level messes with the Atlantic current circulation>Europe, Africa, North & South America weather becomes fucked>No warm water from Africa to keep North America & Europe temperate>No cold water from North America & Europe to keep Africa temperate >China wins gg no re
>>533249902It’s based on the newest inversion modelhttps://doi.org/10.1126/sciadv.adx4298But anyway Finland will become completely destroyed more so than the rest of us so have fun pekka
>>533250145a true chain reaction of doom and death. the world will definitely end. this is serious
>>533250228The world won’t end up but we would get -20 to -50 degree C winters in the Nordic country’s (-4 to -58 degree F (burger units))
>>533250503this is serious. my god.
>>533249794we are already suppose to be under water according to dusins of climate warming reports and hysteria
>>533249522Everyone already knew this was going to happen. People freaking out saying the world was going to cook were dumb. We probably should be in another ice age already and its finally happening
>>533249566>The only way to stop climate change is an attomen krieg against jizrael
>>533249522>a critical Atlantic current system Just flew over my fucking house!!!
>>533249566Kek
>>533249522The more catastrophic the prediction, the more money for the science. And the better for left wing authoritarians.I assume climate change is happening, but I would rather deal with that than with left wing totalitarianism. Look at any of the agenda of the climate alarmists. Climate change would be terrible, but less bad than those people running shit.
>>533249522>WHITE Europe with neo Mammoths and shit, Green Sahara 2.0, Wasteland judeoamericasWhy would we be concerned about thisThese are INCREDIBLE news
>>533249522Uh huh. I've been hearing "it's the end of the world" my entire life and they change up what the cause is every 5-10 years to sucker a new crop of young people. Them they mill that for 5-10 years u til the next thing.The only "solutions" I ever saw put forward is the phoney baloney recycling scam, collecting funds for NGOs, and carbon credits. Meanwhile, the actual countries polluting the planet, China and India, merrily roll along doing whatever the fuck they want and nobody bats an eye.
>>533249522>The world government announces it is near completion collapsing world ecology
>>533250800Checked
>>533249566Fpbp
Ocean currents are caused by the spin of the earth. They're not going to stop or change because of climate change.There HAVE been instances in the distant past where large inland glacial lakes have suddenly flowed into the sea, turning warm currents (like gulf stream) cold. If this happened today it would be a disaster for NW Europe.But no such large inland lakes exist anymore.And glacial melting is slow, too slow to cause a catastrophic change like that.If new glacial lakes start to form in say Greenland, they can just be drained by human engineering.No giant glacial floods are ever going happen again so long as humans are around.TLDR: this is all alarmist nonsense. Modern version of the bible-thumper with END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH sandwich board.
>>533249522>2100I will be dead then so not my problem
>>533251148THIS!
>>533250145I've always been saying that we are right on the doorstep of a new glacial period. The past 12k years were the warm period, and it's always been a cycle for the past 2 million years.
>>533251126yes
>>533251126>ExactlyClimate change is no different than the nuke op>give science jews a shit load of money>they create the biggest baddest weapon of all time>you can’t ever see them>you can’t ever hear about them unless you’re being blackmailed by them>you’re not allowed to know anything about them unless it’s for blackmail>nukes are real tho goy>fear them
Nuke Brussels please thank you bye
>>533249522They've been pushing this for 3 years now It's pure retardation fearmongeringSo of course you are going to come here and shill it
>>5332495222 more weeks, heh?
>>533251505>3 yearsYou mean 53 years cuz
>>533249794Assume we believe this nonsense. What could be done to stop it? >inb4 taxesFucking disingenuous shill bitch
>>533250200We are technically in an interglacial warm period (the Holocene) within a longer ice age epoch. AMOC is the same mechanism whose collapse triggered past rapid cooling events like the Younger Dryas (~12,000 years ago). A 50% weakening is not a collapse, but it moves in that direction.
it's not man made, it's part of a imminent punishment from Godthey are preparing the minds for it, people at the top are in the know but they'll bullshit the general population
India, China, and Africa have dumped more turds into the ocean than the entire land mass of Australia every year.They've bogged up the ocean.RIP.Now we can't ... wtf do we use the ocean for? Shipping Chinese drop shipped garbage cat toys to wine moms?Illegal migrants?Now if only we can get them to turd up the skies too.
>>533250999>Memeflag spreading psuedo nonsenseKys flattard
>>533249522Please God let the new Ice Age begin! Hail Satan!
>>533249522Of course, Mutts and their kike masters want to slow down the current so Eurogoys can pay the toll for warmwater.
>>533251282Man I was so sick of this temporary "temperate" phase of the post-Ice AgeFinally we get radically different biomes to achieve a localized, guided Human SpeciationCatgirls MAY become real in the future biopunk world where favorable conditions force institutions to discard the universalistic concept of a single subpar humanity and employs the massification of genetic engineering using existing races as a trampoline to REAL diversity.
>>533251199kek this shit is fucking ridiculous. Thanks for posting. We could stand to use a lot more oil, coal and gas before its any real problem and that is exactly what we should do. Keep using the energy we have as we develop new sources. We will eventually get clean energy in abundance but making the shift today does not make sense.
>>533251175>Drops trvthnvukeKing shit
>it will turn Western Europe into a desert with harsh winters>all the niggers and arabs will starveBased?
>>533251879Guess where the nogs go when Africa gets even hotter
>>533252124Green Sahara nu-Wakandan hyper-prosperity
>>533252160Sahara ain’t getting green my olive oil friend, all of African agriculture collapses due to higher heat and they all rush Italy and move in there permanently.
>>533252124you mean 'guess who uses another fake crisis to flood europe with more niggers'?
>>533252124Russia? I could finally see that arctic nigger becoming a reality
>>533252293Romania more likely (closer to Africa)
>>533252220Second hand eschatological fantasy narratives for the purpose of punishing humanity for some sin you made up in your para-religious mind.I have a better hyperstition than this spiteful mutant faux-deterministic slop
>>533250994We just got out of one, dumbass.
>>533249967Why is Sean Bean hanging around in the background?
>>533252350Yeah whatever just remember every cubmic meter of CO2 you emit gets us one step closer to the all of Africa moving into Europe permanently future>but Trump told me it isn’t true Curious because all of North America will get a mix of ice age tier winters + infinite sudaca influx
>>533252347Gibs are too low here for them to thrive
>>533249794You sound jewish
>>533252437But supposedly the AMOC collapsing would ruin weather in Europe too.So Africans couldn't move to Europe either.
>>533252532Right now it’s about gibs but once all of africa heats up even more they will bum rush Europe all of them, all of Africa, and just settle where they can regardless of gibs, and your country is in prime position for the swarm You’d think the south would be most interested in stopping an Atlantic current collapse as you’re most of risk of the African invasion but it seems like you guys are just pumping co2 regardless, on your own heads be it.
>>533249566Euros tried that and look how it's turned out.
>>533252579Europe is located in the area between the equator and the poles which will be the most temperate, I doubt the nogs will be going to Finland but Northern Italy, Romania and France will be prime targets of the swarm
>>533251348We're still on the tail end of a cold period. Why do you think animals are so small and furry compared to the past?
>>533249623I'm gonna just kill myself because the science says it's over man.
>>533252437>every infrastructure collapses with ecological divergence but niggers WILL move to increasingly incompatible biomes that cannot support them because of spite, I guessHahahaYou really WANT your surrogate apocalypse to become real
>>533249522Oh no. Anyways.
HAPPENING: We have an update!The Atlantic current is now going to fail two days BEFORE the day after tomorrow
>>533252735Fuck no, but I fear it happening if we don’t change course.
>>533252722
The week after next week
>>533252635you something...and this might sound crazy and bizarre to you, but its actually possible to defend a border and stop invaders crossing it. have you heard of this before?
Final-
>>533252859this niggers in fear
>climate scientists lying again to get more fundingwoooooooooooow
>>533249522>However, for the complex Amoc system, these produce widely varying resultsSo, everyone should be worried?This is weaponizing science against the general population. Alleged science.
>>533252889Yeah how’s that going for you leaf? If they can stop migrants coming now what makes you think they can stop when the whole Africa swarms Europe at once
>>533249522nigga i aint getting pussy even tho i deserve the tightest youngest wettest primest teeniest pussy in the world, so why should i care about climate change? Fuck off with your stupid irrelevant problems
>>533252859You can't change course of the planet, hubrisnigger, it's far more cost-effective to adapt the subjects within to the rising biomes (with the bonus effect of requiring less artificial infrastructure and CO2 production to survive)
>>533249522Damn, this is serious. The only solution is massive taxation of first world countries and crippling of industry in first world countries, while 3rd world countries are allowed to emit as much as they want.
>>533252682We've been in this current ice age for 2 million years. We are at the end of the interglacial period, aka the warm period.Animals are small due to low co2 and o2 in the atmosphere
>>533251199>Climate GeniusI'd rather be called retard
>>533253132Of course you gang, going away from carbon based engines and into electrical to stop CO2 emissionsNuclear power, wind mills, geothermal, hydro, take your pickOR Keep carbon engines but use synthetic carbon fuel from oceans and atmosphere instead of digging hydrocarbons up, but this requires power as well
>>533249967>brown parasite squatting in Austria
>>533253305This has nothing to do with co2. The sun activity is rising and thats causing the whole meme climate change.
>>533253085thats my point though - our leaders dont want to stop the niggers when they've proven that they can definitely control the border when they do want to, as during covid. thats why they love the kind of crisis narratives you're all fearful of - it gives them even more excuse to import the niggers.you're helping them.>>533253305AAAHHHHHHHH stop the devil gas OMG!!11lol
>>533253305The crux of the problem is one of energy-density. We simply have no way of storing energy very efficiently except through chemical means. Yeah you can do it with batteries, but it's so inefficient you need like 1000 pounds of batteries just to match the energy storage of a couple gallons of gasoline. We simply have no way of storing energy that efficiently. If you wanted gasoline-free cars, you are going to need some type of system to beam energy into the cars. Maybe through contact with the wheels. Or maybe moving away from cars and going to a system of trains or something.
>>533249794>>533250200>the only way to save the western world is to ban cars, ban nuclear energy, flood europe with niggers, abolish private property and destroy the fabric of society if I have to choose between leftoid nonsense and nu-european nafri zoomers dying of thirst and hunger I choose the latter. it's not like we're having children anyway. there is nothing left to save
>>53325236911600 years ago yeah, in the last half million years or million years iceages has been the norm for the majority of the time. Many short climatic switches are caused by outside influence (sun cycles or space rocks). The last of these big shifts and events are from the younger dryas 12800 and 11600 years ago when we got hit by space rocks that cause big climatic shifts and massive floods, this is recorded in the myths of over 1000 different cultures and peoples.Another encounter with space rocks can cause another shift and an ice-age. Debris after an impact and sot from massive wildfires caused by space rocks and ash from volcanos that may be activated in connection to impacts can block out the sun and cause cooler summers and longer winters that lead to an ice-age
>>533249522>muh models say bad thing gonna happen>trust The Science (TM)LEARN CHAOS THEORY, YOU DUMB NIGGERSYOUR "MODELS" ARE JUST MEMES AND NOT REALITY, THEY CAN'T EVEN PREDICT A FEW YEARS INTO THE FUTURETOTAL SÖYENTIST DEATH
>>533252859>we change courseEurope has done most to cut down on pollution and CO.If by "we" you mean India and China, sure.Every time I hear these alarmist calls, it's always directed at Europeans: you must do MORE, even do we do MOST already. And even if tomorrow Europe stopped producing any emissions at all, that wouldn't change much in the big scheme of things, because it's China, USA and India that pollute most.
>>533253413You dumb fucking nigger stopping climate change is the only hope of stopping a nafri + nog giga invasion swarm of Italy >I DONT BELIEVE IT LELokay have fun
This is the only thing that will save the white race.
>>533253404The new solid state battery tech hopefully improves this but you’re right
>>533253582but you cant stop it. the earth is till coming out of an iceage. its thawing out. you give governments the power to 'stop it' and you end up with tyranny....and then the niggers come anyway, because thats clearly what the elite want no matter what.
>>533251618Could it be that the massive amounts of glacial meltwater (from space rock impacts) at 12800 years ago caused it to become fucked and caused the 1200 year long younger dryas before more space rocks hitting the oceans in 11600 years ago caused a switch back to warming by getting lots of water-vapor into the atmosphere caucusing global warming
>>533253582>le climate refugees memeactual retard.they're coming here simply due to higer wages. I bet you believed the "war refugees" meme too.I do believe climate change is real by the way, I just don't think the dying, pozzed, self-hating western world is worth saving. besides, I'm 30+ and have no kids. most people in my family have no children either, and italians (and europeans) in general don't care about reproducing anymore. what future generations are you asking me to save? the children of pakistanis and indians who came here? kek
>>533251829Localised guided Human Speciation is technically the natural course for Humanity as it is. Species seldom remain one after being so successful across the planet. Problem is though GMO beast people open a huge can of worms especially in regard to diseases which might develop.
>>533249967Well india and China certainly aren't trying >>533252659Clean cities and browns are incompatible
>>533249522so will i finally get snowy winters again? I'm all for that and maybe the arabs and africans will fuck off, if there's no food anymore - can't come quickly enough then
>>533253413>has no life>won't just try fighting for a future just for the lolsPathetic doomerism is a self fulfilling prophecy
WE DIDN'T LISTEN!
I remember vividly back in middle school being told my state was going to be underwater by 2012. Then it was 2018. Then it was 2020.
>>533251469>jews stole nuclear material from Pennsylvania purely as a psyopOk smarty pants
>>533254097i was told much the same for large areas of the UK when i went to school there in the 80s and 90s. not a single fucking thing has changed in any of the places they spent weeks scaring us about back then.fuck them.
>>533249522>be afraidno.
>It collapsed in the Earths pastFucking dinosaurs should driven less.
>>533249566To be fair its the datacenters, factories, and farms. If they ever want to blame people about muh climate.But more likely its all the sun weakening the magnetosphere because of its impending CME in the 2040s.
>>533254097Ok but that's a faulty heuristic. If you're saying>the alarmist predictions were wrong in the pastThat doesn't change anything about the underlying logic of the science or its validity in general. I mean people predicted the Iran war multiple times too, and you all were laughing about it. Then...it happened.
>>533249522sounds like the ocean just needs a firm handshake and some bootstraps. stop buying avocado toast at the nightclubs too
>>533250145ahh yes climate predictions years in the future when they have always been wrong to this day since humanity has existed and cant predict the weather a month from now
>>533254097lol and you believed them? what a retard. It's obviously gonna happen in 2030
This is good actually. The browns will leave and Europe will return to a racially homogeneous society. Lower temperatures and a worse economy is the price I'm willing to pay a thousand fold just not to see any browns.
>>533252437This argument would work if politicians were doing anything about immigration now. But they aren't. We already get unlimited Somali niggers and jeets. My car is the only thing that gets me away from them. So telling me to give up my car to prevent immigration just doesn't work. Now if you could hit deportation goals as we hit climate goals, we could talk. Like say we could deport half of all niggers out of America if we cut CO2 emissions by half, and we put that into the Constitution, I would make that trade and give up my car and put solar panels all over my roof.
>>533251601EAT ZE BUGS GOY
>>533254229its a fair point in general, but as applied to this context EVERYTHING those people have been crying about has been wrong. they and their clearly faulty science-based claims have lost credibility. does that mean a wolf cant come in the end? no, but it certainly means that its highly likely the wolf isn't going to be nearly so bad or as quick and vicious as they have been telling us.
>>533250200This article is going to get retracted…> “the best model integrates a large set of observable variables using ridge-regularized linear regression – a method unusual in climate science.”Hmm why is using a linear model unusually in climate science?Because climate variables interact in ways which are highly non-linear. If you’ve done basic physics you would know this.They say “salinity and temperature drive buoyancy, which is a key parameter in water mass transformation and deep water formation” and ignore the feedback loops between the variables.Linear models require you to assume that as cold water sinks to like >1000m the extra pressure at that depth doesn't make the deep water even more dense. It behaves just like the water at the surface.This simplified assumption is actually reasonable if you are looking at small scale ocean circulation where depth (pressure) and temperature don’t change that much.Clearly, if they are talking about the whole Altlantic ocean circulation slowing down these assumptions don’t make any sense at all. That’s why climate scientists create large simulations based on the non-linear laws of physics which essentially break the ocean up into millions/billions of fairly large cubes of water (think Minecraft that needs a supercomputer to run).Pic related: Atlantic Ocean circulation is predicted to slow down by 43-59% but model uncertainty also increases exponentially. If you want to have another laugh, look at the green line in Figure 1 – those are the observable variables they are relying on to make predictions for the next 100 years.
>>533254287hell, their models have often been shown to be unable to predict the climate thats already happened. they only just got around to putting clouds in these models...one of the biggest influences there is.
>>533254229If the "science" is wrong more often than not by a factor of 99% then I think it's okay to call bullshit. I remember back when they still called climate change "global warming" but they had to change the terminology after 5 years straight of the global temperature either going down or remaining stagnant.Also to mention that climate change was originally called "global cooling" and then "global warming".Also what happened to the ozone layer disappearing by 2019?
>>533254097>>533254153Went to school in the early 90s to early 00s and remember being told the same - my town would be underwater by 2000, 2005, 2010, and then 2010. My hometown is still there, and they built a bunch of luxury waterside properties in that time...
>>533254229>Then it happenedNot really. The entire """war""" has been Trump sinking a couple tug boats and Iran blowing up some Cold War planes.The "biggest oil shock in history" hasn't even got gas prices as high they were for half of Biden's term during peacetime lol.The doomers said Iran would be WW3. But literally no one in the world other than Trump even talks about it. Even Iran seems bored.
>>533250145It would make Europe as cold as the northern half of Quebec.Very navigable. It won't be that big a problem for us.
>>533254436im sure we heard the same thing applied to whatever our local area was. for me it was that the coast around Cleethorpes would be inundated and all that business, because i was in south yorkshire schools at the time. and yea, its all the same to this day. like everywhere else. lol
>>533254229You are so fucking stupid. Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity? Doing the exact same fucking thing over and over again expecting shit to change.Being "right" by postulating that the predicted event will actually happen in some nebulous way >but what if you're wrong, mr Dawkings ??is NO DIFFERENT FROM BEING RIGHT BY CHANCE. You have NO epistemic credibility. The same goes for retards who kept predicting Iran war for decades, or who keep predicting stock market crash, or whatever the fuck. If they yurn out to be right, they were right BY CHANCE.Seriously kill yourself
>>533254229You're going to die tomorrow or somedaySee how smart and predictive I am?
>>533254051only clicked on the thread for this
>>533251829I never liked the heat, but the heat has been feeling colder in the last few years.I can wear a zipped up vest in 30°C by mercury thermometer and it's fine, I don't even sweat.It's like I wasn't built for the planet as it is right now, as though it's meant to be much, much colder.I'd love it to be colder too. As much as I love the cold, niggers can't function in the cold. Well, niggers can't function. But the cold makes it more obvious.
>>533249522>Climate scientists
>>533254386linear approximations can work for small variations
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>>533249522>climate modelsAnyone promoting that garbage needs to be curb stomped
>>533253581The USA doesn't pollute the most. We're relatively on par with Europe regarding that. It's China and India. But nobody stops them from doing what they're doing.
>>533254612More Co2 traps more radiation. More radiation trapped = more water evaporatesMore water evaporates = more thermal blanket....etc. Where's your issue with it?
>>533251829>employs the massification of genetic engineering using existing races as a trampoline to REAL diversity.Lots of rationalization for your issue of getting boners from animals.
>>533249794Al Gore and Michael Mann and James Hansen all claims we'd be turn into Venus twenty years ago.Find a new grift.
>>533254746More CO2 grows more plant life faster and taller.More plant life = more conversion of CO2 through photosynthesis.More plant life = more sunlight being converted too.More sunlight being converted = less sunlight being refracted back and forth, especially of the infrared bands.Less sunlight being refracted back and forth = less thermal radiation.MeaningMore CO2 = more green = less thermal radiation = global cooling.CO2 cools the environment.
>>533254609Iir I was taught about the greenhouse effect in year 4 or 5, so only around 8 or 9 and I remember at the time it really shit me up.I also remember around 99 the news would run with a story almost every week about how an asteroid was going to fuck us up in the near future. Pretty strange tbqh.>>533254649I'm surprised I was the first one tbqh. Thought this thread would be will of it.
>>533249522>for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisisWait, we had climate change for 1,600 years? The roman empire was cutting back on green house gasses?
>>533249522>slowdown of 42% to 58% in 2100Ah, neat, not my problem then.
>>533254870>More CO2 = more green = less thermal radiation = global cooling.But if this was a significant sink for CO2, we wouldn't be seeing rates climbing exponentially.
The oxymoron of calling CO2 a destructive greenhouse gas when demonstratebly its more stabilizing for global temperatures than oxygen.Wish more people would point this out.
>>533254746its not a constant thing though. it takes more and more heat to get a smaller and smaller effect. there isn't going to be much more heat trapped, basically, between 400ppm and 800ppm. almost nothing compared to whats already occurred between 200ppm and 400ppm>>533254930yeah i definitely recall there being some kind of obvious scare story in the media all the time, one after the other rolling on and on. that shit doesn't mean anything to me now, as im sure it doesnt you, but when you're a kid that stuff can really upset up and sink in.thats why they do it in the schools too
>>5332495221. This happened before, around 8200 years ago. An ice sheet in Canada melted, which released a fuckton of cold freshwater (Lake Agassiz) into the Atlantic, and collapsed the stream. Global temperatures dropped an average of 1.5°C, rainfall patterns changed a bit. Within 250 years it began to stabilize, within 600 years it was mostly over, within 1000 years it was "normal" again.2. Shit was fine. Some weirdos claimed that it resulted in a "collapse of civilizations" when humans were starting to rely on farming, but it seems to have been the start of a next stage of development, if it even played a role at all.3. It could be that what is happening right now is normal, it could be that what is happening now is sort of normal but our pollution is making it worse, it could be that our pollution is the primary cause. No way of knowing.4. These "climate scientists" aren't climate scientists. Climate research is something that is completely detached from what is going on with climate change now, and our pollutants. The only way to make any sense of climate is by looking into conditions in the past. You can bet your life savings + your grandmother that anyone talking about "models of future climate" is not a climate researcher, but someone in political science dipping their toes into climate policy.Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
>>533251175I'm old enough to remember acid rain so yeah.What's funny is some nutjobs I know who buy this BS (most common among people who dropped out of university but still want to seem smart) posted articles from 1910 about how coal fired household heating was going to cause global warming. They interpreted as >see how long the science has been around instead of SEE HOW LONG THESE FUCKING CON ARTISTS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BULLSHIT US
>>533255116liked it 10/10 would listen more if only because it sounds reasonable
>>533254746That's so general and vague that it's useless for making the climate change predictions you want to make. All the models assume the basic shit you mention but can differ greatly in their predictions over the next decades. They try to fit and test models on past observations but even that underconstrains the model, and ultimately there are still so many unknowns in how the climate works, especially how feedback between various components works out. All these huge uncertainties that are part and parcel of prediction of complex dynamical systems are severely undercommunicated. People are instead just told to "trust the science, here's some basic thermal physics that's irrelevant to the actual issues"
>>533251199They're worse than dispensationalist cults.
>>533255116Oh and 5., because the retarded 4chan character limit, it would certainly be wise to try to limit our pollution as much as possible. Simply because it IS possible that our pollution could be a factor, it's always the wisest course of action. You have to be a genuine mindless retard to look at it from a political perspective, either being a lefty adopting fucking insane token policies just so you can feel like you're one of the good guys, or by being a righty going LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I LOVE ROLLING COAL just because you think that's what you're supposed to do when you're right wing.
>>533249522>the lying liars who never got anything right to this very day arent lying this time!hmm
>>533251639God promised never to flood us again
>>533254051We didn’t listen!!!
>>533255174Ok but we can measure things like the change in ocean temperature, sea level rise, atmospheric temperature.....etc. I think the concerning thing is how much heat is absorbed by the ocean, which can change the salinity and break down habitats. It also might threaten this atlantic current that Europe has been relying on for their temperate climate. Without that current europe would be under a glacier right now.
>>533255011The incredible thing about water vapour is that it has the exact same identifiers as CO2.People tested a hydrogengas engine for emissions and found CO2 in the reaction to have skyrocketed, and when they investigated how that's possible from a carbonfree fuel, they found that there are no tests which can tell them apart.Now nobody drives a hydrogen-fired car, any hydrogen car on the road today uses fuel cells and those convert 2 Hs and an O into water for power.But aeroplanes do fly way up high, billowing huge trails of water vapour out of the turbines which are a waste product from the kerosene they burn.They've exponentially elevated the amount of water vapour output, but because tests can't tell the vapour apart, the gouvernment officials can tell you that air travel raises CO2 far too much.Not that they're gonna stop air travel of course...Do remember, anything the Jews oppose is probably a good thing for nature.They oppose white Europeans, ethnic homogeneity, friendship, harmony, organic agriculture (as opposed to GMO), freedom... and nothing mixes friendship, Europeans and freedom quite like the internal combustion engine and the automobile.With a wood gas burner powering your car, you can go anywhere you want.But electrolyse hydrogen gas into being, locally in your car, and you can go anywhere you want on nothing but water and a rooftop solar panel... and vapour goes up, not CO2.
>>533249794if anyone cared about the western world they wouldnt be importing shitskin invaders, faggot
>>533249522Quick! It needs more batteries!!
>>533253085They don't want to stop their future voters and political puppets.Western politicians saw that their equivalent in third world countries live like kings while everyone not in their family networks relies on food aid or trash piles.That is why they want to turn first world countries into third world ones. So they Lord over the starving masses
>>533255391Nothing you've said sounds like a bad thing desu. Not like it's going to happen.
>>533255296i agree with that of course. just very wary of how governments are demonstrated to utilize this shit to expand their power and control. the way its linked to communism so completely is hardly to be ignored.>>533255391sure. but the earth has been through all kinds of shit, and yet here everything is, that i think you really have to question if its anything to really worry too much about, or if theres anything we did or can do to change it by even 1%. with regards to both of the above, im the first to dislike waste and pollution and the reckless destruction of stuff. i really dont like it. but i also see how incredibly resilient the world is. i trust the world to deal with change far more than i trust people who want more power to tell me the truth about this stuff.
>>533249522just send more niggers to europe and us and australia and new zealand (no, no new zealand, because) and japan and the Atlantic will be fine
>>533254711>(((models)))They worked to get the goys to inject themselves with de-fecundity agents... So, why not keep spamming a winning formula?
>>533249522What are the catastrophic consequences for the Americas? I'm guessing North America East would freeze? What about these monkey shitholes?
>>533255410Consider a pot of water. The water moves around at a certain speed inside the pot. The distribution of speeds inside looks like a random statistical distribution, like a poisson curve. That means, through sheer random chance, some of the water moves vast enough to escape the surface tension. That's called "evaporation". The hotter the water, the greater the proportion of particles over that threshold. Therefore, evaporation goes faster. In other words, evaporation is a function of the water's temperature. You ever notice how water evaporates much faster on a hot day?So the idea is that water will evaporate from the oceans faster, if the temperature is hotter. Of course it's a bit tricky. Because some of the water randomly contacts the surface of the ocean again and re-enters. So it's a bit of a tricky function. I don't even know what it looks like mathematically. It's especially difficult because the earth is not a closed room, like a bathroom, but has open ended borders. I'm sure there's some functions that you can work with to get a sense of it. But the logic holds up.
>>533255741What about deep sea ocean counteracting the heat?
>>533249522The war not scaring people enough?They just seem to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Unfortunately for them, people are just bored of it now.
>>533255740Well you see, because of the earth's rotation, the water goes in a particular direction in the northern hemisphere. Hurricanes all turn that direction. Tornadoes all turn that direction. There's a myth that toilets all flush that direction too. It's because of the Coriolis forces. But for some odd reason, the current in the atlantic goes in the OTHER direction. Which is bizarre. Studies show the current, instead of going in a normal circle, does a weird figure-8 type thing. So instead of getting the cold water from the polar ice, Europe is getting the warm water from the equator, and the East Coast gets the cold water from the ice cap instead. That's reverse of how it should be. So that means, Europe has this super temperate, moderate climate. Even Britain, which is so far north, has a super moderate climate. If it wasn't for that current, Britain would be more like Norway or Sweden and be totally packed in with snow all the time. The US meanwhile has these super brutal winters that are like death. Maybe if the current switched, that would moderate things for the US. But Europe would go through a rough time. There are some ideas that this bizarre current could also be the reason we aren't in an ice age anymore, and if the current flips, the ice age will return. That was the thesis of Al Gore's movie "Inconvenient Truth". But I don't know about that one, seems like a bit of a stretch.
>>533255741and more evaporation means more cloud cover and more precipitation, including snow. that can increase glaciation and thereby albedo and so on.i think natural processes are inherently self limiting rather than run away prone.
>>533255818It takes about 800 years for the oceans to warm. The heat slowly sinks into the deep ocean. Once the deep ocean warms though, you're kind of fucked, because you don't have a big heat-sink drawing heat off the surface anymore. It could cause a very rapid temperature rise after that happens.
>>533255391Yes but notice that what you're mentioning is straightforward scientific measurement, not these ambitious computer models of the climate as a whole. The former is the kind of climate science that is pointed to as a bait and switch support for the validity of the latter. Most of the grand claims, most of which are modelling results at best and just vibe predictions at worst, are garbage, but they dominate the climate discourse.
>>533255011Photorespiration.Niggers forget it's RuBisCO, not RuBisCo.
This shit would be HORRIBLE for the multicultural agenda. Africans and Muslims HATE the cold. You couldn't make them come to a place where it snows and has 6 months of darkness.
>>533256040Ah ha. You just played yourself.There's already thermal vents naturally hearing the deep ocean. They have been since literally before life began here. You have no idea what you're talking about. Check and mated.
>>533249566Lil buddy, white consumerism is what drives climate change
>>533256185really we'll just be made to pay more to keep them comfy. the thing is though, that every time you bring a nigger from africa, or a jeet from jeetistan, you instantly increase their CO2 output by many times due to how they will be living in the west compared to where they came from.
>>533249967>heh, this is you>checkmateYou lost
>>533255116Canada always fucking up shit for everyone else
>>533255296Yeah, anthrogenic climate change may be real. Maybe at least man mafe pollutants somewhat affect climate change already happening.Still, political bs like carbon credits are just more taxes on the working class while the rich and powerful can continue to pollute as nornal. Not to menyion China lying about their emissions.
>>533253818>atlantisI don't think so, but who knows
>>533249522It's cute that humans think they have any power to control things like this.
>>533249522>new research found that models are the most realisticOk experts keep me updated
>>533256260since there is not a second universe, identical in every way except white people having less conspicuous consumptionyour claim is not falsifiable, and thus can be discarded
>>533256341that was the feathers btw remember.
>>533249566Lmao
>>533249522JAMBOYTHREAD
The change will be so slow it won't be noticiable. But I am certain the Atlantic current will change. It's just a nothing burger; it won't be like in the movies or in a day. Nothing ever happens.
>>533254695I agree and I’ve used Taylor Expansion myself to make it easier to solve non-linear models.But, my point is that the large scale circulation of the Altantic Ocean features large variation in the variables they are using to make predictions. Therefore their predictions are going to be very wrong. If they were predicting the circulation of a lake or bay, a linear model might be a good enough approximation. But they are talking about correcting complex physical models that predict the movement of water and ice across the entire breadth and depth of the Altantic ocean:> Temperatures -2 to 30 degrees Celsius> Salinity probably varies a lot too next to melting glaciers vs near the equator> Pressure goes from around 1atm at the surface to 11atm at 100m to >3000atm at 3000m depth (pressure increase by 10atm every 10m).You should spend some time on a ship or think about how submarines get crushed like soda cans if they aren’t engineered properly. There are entire mountains ranges under the ocean that influence ocean circulation.
>>533249522Duh
>>533249522We cant do anything about it
>>533254386>>533256626I have to admit I also found it weird not to be using a Bayesian inversion method in 2026 who still uses linear regression?
>>533249522This whole week, temps in my state have been 20 degree higher than average. We went from 28 degrees f to 80 degrees in less than a week. We skipped spring, and went straight from winter to summer. something is going on whether its global warming or pole shift or what idk.
>>533256539It's totally falsifiable, all you have to do is look at the markets the major industries. You will find the same in every sector. For example India pollutes terribly in production but in consumption Indian families eat much less and consume much less electricity and clothings and gas and everything else than white families do. Europe and America invented the industrial revolution. They forced it on Asia at gunpoint, and now outsource the production and therefore pollution, but their consumption has never been higher.
>>533249794Nah, covid jab will fix itTrust the science
Retards finding out we're still in the ice age and things are gonna get colder again lmao
>at its weakest for 1,600 years as a result of the climate crisisYOUR FORD F-150 MAKES THE WAVES STOP WAVING YOU NAZI!!!!!!!!!!! WALKABLE CITIES NOOOOOOW!
>>533255741Yet in an atmosphere with more CO2, there's more green to soak up sunlight, thus less refraction happens over land.But if the vapour content of the atmosphere rises more and more over the oceans, it'll inevitably condense into more cloud cover which balances out the sun's heating of the oceans.The only worry from the scientists is that the increase of CO2 traps heat, but that's not true. It's the vapour itself which traps heat, and with sufficient vapour the clouds block heat from reaching the ocean.This entire system is self-correcting.But because vapour emissions are read as CO2 emissions, people think CO2 is the problem, when CO2 may in fact be the solution at least over land.
>>533257222With wood you can go anywhere you wanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWnhtqDJwIU
>>533249522>appears>likely>than previously thought>predicting>model>the most realistic>assess>widely varying results>hugely>the most reliableI'm starting to think Pol Pot had good idea
>>533256780The authors mention Bayesian methods but didnt bother to try them.Bayesian inference is still rather niche in many fields and requires too much work and thinking compared to just copy pasting a method that someone else (who will review your paper) used. Getting ahead in non-applied academic fields like climate science is also more about aligning yourself with the views of more senior academics and most of these people live in a world where they face no consequences for being wrong. No one can falsify their models which make predictions 100 years in the future. It’s just a big circle jerk.People working in geostatistics for an applied field like mining, engineering or oil and gas are using more sophisticated models that actually work. If their models fail, people die, companies go bankrupt, people get fired. But if you talk to academics, who cannot get fired, they literally look down at these people. You know, these people are destroying the “natural” equilibrium of the planet by extracting its resources and they also vote for the wrong people, you know, because they either a) uneducated or b) evil, or c) both.
>>533249794It's the same as "LOOK ALIENS"they want you to be scared all the time
>>533249794fuck off, kike
We used to have winters that would freeze baltic and you could walk on the ice from poland to sweden. And we still were major producers of food in europe. You fucking subhuman scum always come up with those retarded arguments that mean nothing. Neck yourself, commie animal.
>>533249522>catastrophic for Europe, Africa, and the AmericasSo Aussies and Indians win?
>>533249522Ok… what even happens if the current slows down all the way? What are the consequences? The article doesn't say.
>>533256503>humans have no impact on the environment whatsoever and we can do anything we wantlol tell that to the thousands of species we caused to go extinctretards
>>533260803Europe will get colder, americas and africa will get warmer.
>>533260803the basic gist is:>NAC slows (or stops)>warm water from the equator is no longer distributed north>more glaciers start to form>more glaciers push south>new ice age appearsmost of the northern hemisphere was all under ice for a long time. much of human expansion was only due to the glaciers retreating.
Imagine if the whole gay retarded everything in Iran, Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon and USA suddenly stopped and we actually did all start cooperating because there was now a sudden ice-age to worry about.
>>533260803whales and stuff have to work harder. mo more free rides
>>533249522>REEEEE THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT BECAUSE (insert emotional reasoning here)this is just dunning kruger the thread, no different than flat earthers
>>533261477Anyone using "dunning kruger" this way has no idea about the research and outs himself as a mouthbreathing retard who is only capable of parroting others. Good job anon.
>>533249522It sucks living in a world where there are no institutions credible enough to tell the actual truth. If a jewish outlet tells the truth about anything at all it's a coincidence or an accident.
>>533261639how do you think the other anon was using it, why was it wrong, and how should it be used instead, if at all?
>>533249982>So global warming is going to cause global cooling? Do I understand this correctly?That's the pitch for ThE ENd oF THE WOrld.Here is the thing they don't dwell on too much.Fresh water is less dense and has a lower specific gravity than seawater. They say the current will change its flow East and south at this new boundary of salinity.This is true, -but-The thermal energy from the NAC will be transferred and distributed to the far reaches of the North Atlantic more effectively and with less energy loss than before.What they are bitching about is a return to the Medieval Warm Period, which was a boon for human civilization. (((They))) want to tax you and make you afraid of another Golden Age in Western History. p.s. Rewatch Al Gore's 'A Inconvenient Truth'.I was in Miami last year, I can tell you the city was NOT unter 15 feet of water.
>>533261639hurr durr emotional retort which doesnt even make sense (i was using the term correctly)point proven
>>533261952>What they are bitching about is a return to the Medieval Warm Period,yeah, it doesn't get much mentioned by them thats for sure. same with at least one other warm period, and then the little ice ages that have happened.
>>533249967Why does every other group get an ethnostate?
>>533262440>and then the little ice ages that have happened.The argument can be made that we dodged our last regularly scheduled mini ice age that should have started in 1960-1980 because of CO2 emissions. I have no idea if that is true, but it would be funny.They also spend a lot of time ignoring the CO2-Cloriphyl biomass-CH4 cycle, which would fill out their equations very nicely if they admitted it existed.
>>533263322with what they were saying running up to that time you never know. when i found out a few years ago that their main models used to produce all the scary graphs had only just started to admit that clouds exist, it really made it clearly than ever that its not very serious science
>>533249794>DarwinismThat takes too long. Getting him to kill himself is faster
>>533249522By 2100? No one will be alive to care. Poleshift is happening at least 60 years before. This is a non-issue.
>>533249522I was guaranteed to collapse after the deep water horizon
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crazy I did not see this thread before I made mine>>533267696
>>533270782>>533270805
>>533249522What are they proposing, carbon taxes?
>>533271963Increased MAiD availability. MAiD house calls. Door to Door MAiD
>>533249522this is Y2K levels of retarded
It's too late. We must propitiate Greta the weather goddess with a sacrifice of pure white DNA.
>>533273658i would slay her as an offering to the weather gods if you know what im saying
>>533249623>the climate catastrophist predictions have always been so accurateThat is true, why are you being smarmy?
>>533275146im literally under water rn. frthis is serious
>>533249623IT'S REAL THIS TIME, WE'RE SERIOUS!
>>533249522The Earth is fucking pathetic. Imagine being an entire planet and getting your Amoc Amogged by a bunch of hairless apes.
>>533249794Picrel released over three times more greenhouse gas than mankind had ever produced throughout it's entire history
>>533276029I’m not in favor of climate alarmism but I’m pretty sure it’s 3x annual output, not all time
>>533249522>TWO>MORE>WEEKSNothing will happen.
