https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/12/europe-migrants-birth-rates-immigration-countriesLiterally every country in Europe is below replacement. Orban's monetary support policies didn't work and failed in Hungary. The problem is clearly not of a materialistic nature. What is it and what's the solution?
>>533254849Europe is no longer Europe if the racial majority is no longer white
>>533254849>The problem is clearly not of a materialistic nature.Yes it is. Financial support incentives are trifles compared to living costs especially for people without degrees.If you cannot reproduce on a single highschool degree income then reproduction will not happen.Simple as.
>>533255079even rich people here tend to have abysmal birth ratethe problem is ultimately cultural
>>533254849>what's the solution?Increase productivity per person, and rejoice you're not living in a overpopulated hellhole natalist country.Birth control is Civilization. Natalism is Barbarism.
>>533254849>not posting worth your flagLook sauce boss, there will be problems greekfag. Just because there isn’t an overarching ethics body in Greece doesn’t mean you can just do what you want and get away with it.
>>533255079you can reproduce with only a high school diploma and that is what the majority of the population ends up doing
>>533255079It is not, the simple fact you are thinking in monetary, in rational terms is what Spengler pointed out happens everywhere where rationalistic activity raises, and no place has a more rationalistic mindframe than cities.Abundant children is the domain of instinct.
>>533255017That's so true and I would start with Martha, like gyattdayum awooooo glarglagrlabralalab, if you know what I mean.
>>533254849Get Latin American migrants then
>>533255079funny how that isn't an issue for immigrantsmaybe that's why they are winning
>women only immigration>grants for child birth for native couples, must be married and must be native for 4 generations>special massive grant if they get past 8 kids>deport all foreign criminals>hard money>molten salt reactors>higher taxes for non-natives>bachelor tax, childless woman tax>capital flight tax for non-natives>200% duty tax on birth control>duty tax on any abortion, grants to carry to term and put up for adoption>other than that a general lowering of taxes and deregulation
>>533255420oh so you wanna acccelerate the collapse even fasteramazing
Raising a child on your own is miserable. My wife only seems happy with the kid when im there to hand off to when she has had enough. So she has him about 90% of the time and me 10%. With the occasional day I look after him. 100% day after day makes her upset.Also without a woman to do most of the kid stuff I would never have one.Single people, for your own sake never have kids.Also its very expensive having children and a home. If you are not top 10% (which is still working class) dont bother. You dont have the money.
>>533256003childbirth has always been one of the leading causes of death of women in historysingle fathers are historically a thingI think you're just a loser
>>533254849>OH SHIT GUYS ITS ANOTHER JEWISH THREAD ABOUT FERTILITYcan any of the meme flag jews in these 4chan fertility threads explain to us goyim why anybody would want a big fertiliy rate?because the lower the population, the better.>the jews want infinite population growthwhat for, jews?what fucking for?
>>533256129it's not so much the population number but age distribution niggerwhat happens when 40% of your population can't work because it's too old? who is gonna run the factories?
>>533255128they didnt have pensions back then , your kids were your pensions people today rely on the state for everything and trust it when they get old , there is no point in having expensive children that take too much sacrifice and time when you can do life by yourself and sometimes even enjoy it much more
>>533254849There is none. Advanced post industrial societies do not have pre industrial birthrates. Its not just europe. Its everywhere thats more advanced than the congo.
>>533256215>who is gonna run the factories?XDthe biggest mercedes factory in europe, that produces every single fucking mercedes driving around on the planet, is employing..... 2,000 people. >turns out>you only need a few people to be an industrial superpowerwhoa who couldve thunk?>everybody who isnt a fucking jew
>>533256382>the economy revolves around mercedesok what about the other 10k+ factories that need to be run
>>533254951Wow, I'd have never guessed this guy was jewish if you hadn't posted that infographic!
>>533254849This Jewish man is almost single handedly responsible for the western fertility crisis but I've never seen him spoke of
>>533256423what factories?where are these factories?>year of our lord 2026>modern factories are run by 5 dudeswhy exactly do i need 9000 trillions population for?
>spend the last century turning consequence-free sex into an actual science>birthrates collapse>wow, how can this be happening??
>>533254849Most countries are fucked.
>>533256530if you have 100 young people working for 500 old , the young will have to put up 5x times more the work thats why you see japan and south korea work hard
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>>533256556>the economy went to shit because people are having sex and I'm nott. virgincel
>>533256556collapsing birthrates is a blessing, though. >>533256582>niggers will breed themselves to death>white countries go back to natural populationsthats awesome.
>>533256617>>533256619>30 mln people work in factories across the entire continentand 30 mln people will continue to work in factories, even with the gigantic (and very desirable) population collapse. >still not even 1 jew can explain why anybody would want an infinite pop growthcringe.
>>533254849replacing europeans with shitskin migrants = extinction. so what difference does it make?
>>533256582not me nigger
>>533256582And you can see that education is connected to the fertility rates. When people dont understand their situation or think that they need more hands to work on the fields, they give birth to alot of banies!
>>533255527>molten salt reactors>accelerating collapsepick one
>>533256655Thats kinda the thing. Sad that companies expect African-tier of growing consumption
>>533256740Ok
>>533256746>>533256810its not natural to breed like niggers, white countries will reduce their populations to natural levels and its a blessing.
>>533254849Thirdworld immigration is a huge mistake.You'd think that faggot in the OP would know that by now, and maybe he does.
>>533256881>its not natural to breed like niggersit's actually the most normal thing in nature, nigger
>>533256921yeah we already knew europeans aren't having sex anon thanks for posting the graph
>>533254849>what's the solution?Whitetopia.
>>533256925>its normal to breed like niggersfor mexicans, yes.
>>533256950The implication is: import the thirdworld, become the thirdworld. Thirdie crimerates do not decrease when they arrive arrive to the West, not even in the 2 gen.
>>533256921Mass migration is genocide and the EU was the real deathcamp to come out of WW2.
>>533256881It kinda is. Children are a good way to secure your old age when you cant work that hard anymore. Regarding child mortality, it is normal to maintain many childrens.
No cheap family housing, no babies. Sorry kikes! No fresh cattle for you
>Lets commit ethnocide on the people to save the people
nobody can ever articulate why lower populations are the end of the worldits weird that all these nations worked just fine last year when the population was lower
>>533257017coolmaybe you should've had kids so you didn't get replaced
>>533257156>nobody can ever articulate why lower populations are the end of the worldyup.the moment you ask, all the jews run away back to the tunnels.
>>533254849>What is it and what's the solution?Netherlands knows. Create more land, land gets cheaper, food and housing is more affordable. Just kidding, this population level is untenable and nobody needs to enforce it except the market prices cutting into birthrates. Only the cheapest dumbest dullards and the wealthy elite will survive in a world where the middle class is unsustainable financially. Apparently feudalism is the de-facto rule of hardship and things like democracies and republics only last in times of prosperity.Actually a culture of houseboats working next to coastal office buildings might offer a reprieve for a generation or two.
>>533254849EUSSR does everything to prevent market and nature to fix itself lolit started from feminism and ended with endless niggerjeets
>>533257156the problem isn't the population number niggerit's the number of people who can actually work
>>533257197Closing the border isn't difficult.
>>533257241vast majority of jobs in the world right now are idiotic meme make-work jobs. actual "industry" is like a few % of the entire workforce. >but muh factories who will work in da factoriesall those trillions of motherfuckers who have meme jobs now.
Europe survived thousands of years with a lower population than today. Why should it keep increasing?
>>533257241Immigrants from the thirdworld are an economic net-negative.
>>533257304its a mexican, he has no borders.
>>533257241Less people means less workers needed it’s the same thing retarded taqila nigger
>>533257332>all those trillions of motherfuckers who have meme jobs now.you do know the issue is that you're running out of those people because fertility is below replacement right
Keep blaming others why you have no kids, chuds
>>533257333>Europe survived thousands of years with a lower population than today.but a different age distributionand kids who could already hold a hammer were sent to work>>533257366the "less" people who remain are older NIGGERif you're always below replacement you will always have more old people NIGGER
>>533256921>Italians>Complaining about migrant crime
>>533257372no, population lowering will automaticly eliminate the retards from meme jobs and force them into industry and science. low population is a BLESSING every single white country should pray for.
>>533257372What you mean cheaper houses? Higher wages? And that your people actually not getting genocided by mass immigration? The horror Pablo the horror
>>533257419>the "less" people who remain are olderand? so what?>replacementretarded nonsense jew term.
>>533257352I'm inclined to believe you but Swedish economists will make the exact opposite argument.>no we need shitty brown third worlders to mop the fucking floors for all the old people in retirement homes!Diversity isn't skin deep, it also involves economic diversity. We need poor browns as well as rich whites to keep a healthy vibrant and complex society.My official stance is pro-diversity because I'm marginalized myself.
>>533257420Look at the stats. North-Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and Afghanistan/Pakistan play in their own league when it comes to rape.
>>533257419What do you rhink about just letting them you know die a dignified dead and not import the third world so there will be a natural balance again instaed of this infinite growth? Nah we must commit ethnocide.
>>533257241they wont understund , i really hope they stop all immigration and close all their borders
>>533257537>the goyim dont understand retarded jew logicthank God.
>>533257517In that Swedish economists are dumb. In Finland Finns did, and still do, work in low-skill jobs, and we are fine.
>>533257537Offcourse you would say that
>>533254849>we can't figure out how we've made life to shit for locals, so introduce suckers from the third world that have no idea how our systems workthe left and anyone supporting this are genuinely evil.mother fuckers that need a bullet to the face.
>>533257521>Own leagueYeah, one far below the sex traficking of your average Italian criminal.
>>533257605They want to ethnocide europeans the economic argument doesn’t even makes sense because they are a net negative in taxes and they are just using it a an exscuse to commit the ethnocide
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>>533254849If the plan is to convince governments not to do this, you fail. If the plan is to convince migrants to stay home, you can totally win this, and it will take so little time you won't believe it.
>>533257851whats crazy about it is that its pure, extremely simple logic. >low population = good>trillions of normies = badkikes get extremely pissy and annoyed when you ask a simple:>why? why would i need a huge population?they either run away or shit themselves in a fit of jew-rage.
White people's degeneracy is objectively a far bigger problem than immigration, it is in fact the root of why white people allow open border immigration with the muslim world, latin american and africa.Both are problems of course, but about 90% of posts here are about minorities and immigration and 9% trannies and homosexuals who were a lost cause to begin with while only about 1% addresses the degeneracy within ourselves, the cause of 99% of our problems.The Amish prove it is possible to maintain trad values and build high trust communities in a modern "diverse" globohomo world, albeit with massive restrictions on the technology they can use. They are pacifists of course and are in fundamental disagreement, however it seems feasible to accomplish something similar, except instead of religious dogma preventing us from even using cars we simply cut out sources of degeneracy.It will be tricky because we must simultaneously adopt new technology like AI to compete and adapt to the changes in the world while dodging whatever new forms of degeneracy arise. We will have to find a tradwife who shares our values, then we need to protect and educate our children. However if enough of us do this and build better communities for the white people soon to be fleeing from the growing ghettos we will win. Our victory begins with self-improovment.
>>533257851and, btw, this thread is a great example. >ask why>thread immidiately dies>a new 1 POST BY OP threads pops up 5 seconds later
>>533257970what u talking abt , kikes get more mad when you point out that you need to raise the birth rates
>>533258041>ban jews from politics>problem solvedwew, that was easy.
I don't get it.Less kids= more rooms/person=easier lifeless sewar power congestionon road...hospital beds neededetclets send all jetts and other orc in west to israel0 jew accountsdisarm israeltake back any wealthand cut ties n contactlet minoities democratically control jew
>>533257605Economists are dumb in general. You're a spreadsheet number to them. You're an interchangeable disposable unit. They think you're no different from a Hindustani in terms of work ethic and culture, because the humanities department next door likes to raise their clenched fist and shout "one race! the human race!" like a bunch of chimpanzees.
>>533258096>kikes get more mad when you point out that you need to raise the birth ratesnever happened even once. all i see are jews crying about whites dying off and we need to each pop out a 1000 kids to "fix it".
>>533258096You people are fine it’s the europeans they don’t want to reproduce they don’t see you people as a threat and why would you need gigantic populations?
>>533254849How does land go extinct? Pro tip: TKD
>>533256881>natural levelsNo such thing. Humanity is facing an extinction event
>>533258228>Humanity is facing an extinction eventno, just the jews.
>>533255079Ok, let's test that. We will give you and others like you the money you claim will make you reproduce. If you fail to produce at least four healthy, productive offspring, you and whatever defective offspring you do produce are culled. This eliminates grifters who claim they want children but just want free shit and also gets rid of those who are willing to have children for cash but aren't willing to raise them properly.Are you willing to put your life on the line? Or are you just trying to get free shit by claiming you'll do something we both know you won't actually do.
>>533257366Wrong, less people means economies of scale no longer work. That retard Paul Ehrlich literally lost a bet on this
>>533258323>less people means economies of scale no longer work.lmao what does that even mean.
>>533255420Didn't see anything in that list about eliminating the female right to vote. Instead you've made feminists even more powerful, so none of your other wishes will ever get implemented. Female majority will always equal cultural destruction if they have a say in how things are run.
>What is it and what's the solution?The #1 cause of low birthrates is FEMALE INDEPENDENCE. Everything else is secondary.>what about money?!?!?!Money only results in more children when it's men who have it and women must get together with a man to survive.When women have money, they use it to delay and procrastinate on motherhood (traveling, whoring at the club, consumerism, pets, etc.) until it's too late.And women only start families with men more successful than them, so the more money she earns, the less likely she will find a man to have kids.Give a woman a $150k/year fake office job, and it's literally the same as sterilizing her.The abysmal birth rates can only be reversed by 1 - abolishing the laws that force businesses to hire women (only reason they do it).2 - abolishing all the laws that REWARD women for breaking up families and leaving men (alimony, preferred child custody, etc.)3 - re-criminalizing adultery and making it illegal to promote it on media (thousands of movies promote cheating as "romantic")4 - Destroying the industries that promote promiscuity, infidelity and anti-family formation (Hollywood, movies, nightclubs, university)5 - promoting early marriage for girls (starting at 14) and for men too (18 to early twenties)6 - segregate public education by sexes, and make it only obligatory until age 14 or so.7 - ban women from higher education. It's literally useless for them and only lowers the standards for everyone else. (It's also one of the main reasons for the competency crisis, besides the brown low IQ 3rd worlders)Those are all the things that countries with high fertility rates are doing. These things are NOT OPTIONAL.You either do them, or you will be replaced by someone who will. You have been warned.
>>533258260Israel is the only developed nation with a positive fertility rate. Though they won't last long after the west collapses and they lose their gibs
>>533257851>muh AI>muh roboticsnothing matters if there is less and less people , the whole econom needs both consoooomers and producers , lets say AI fixes the producing problems , what about the consooomers ? and also doesnt that entrench the filthy billionaires even more ? imagine how uppity they will get once they realise you are basically useless>>533258152then maybe they are right ? you cant expect someone to be wrong abt everything ? even if its kikes themselves >>533258186we are cooked with low or high fertiliity anyway so it doesnt matter anyway for us and for them
>>533254849Fun fact. It’s not extinction, literally. Its just perhaps a small population shrinkage, that can easily be followed by a baby boom in a few generations. Bringing in an unprecedented amount of migrants, never seen before in the history of humanity is only a theoretical solution that might or might not keep the current budget income. It is now clear that it is not working and germans fucked up again, now on an even bigger scale and the damage is irreversible. Much better solution would have been just to accept to get poorer and wait, which Japan is doing, but they were too greedy for that.
>>533258228There is no such thing as infinite growth anon and committing ethnocide because debt based line must go up is well genocide for debt based fiat you change the debt based system you don’t commit an ethnocide you do agree with right anon?
>>533258420>then maybe they are right?they're not, and its been proven historically a million times that a huge population is just a curse and nobody can give even 1 argument "pro" huge population.
>>533258323Yeah because it’s based on a debt based fiat system that needs infinite growth like a cancer to substain itself
>>533258355It's more efficient to produce goods on a latge scale than on a small scale. A larger populations needs to employ a smaller percentage of its population than a small population in production to have the same standard of living. Without having this excess, science and technology grind to a halt, culture wanes, and quality of life drops. This then causes a negative feedback loop, making everything even worse
>>533257241as others have stated>most "jobs" are superfluous (mine included lol)>most migrants don't work>if you need people to work pay them more>mexicanah i understand completely you are a brown retard
>>533254849It's literally a jewish psyop that politicians have to placate by flooding their countries unnecessarily with browns, which then disincentivizes people from entering jobs and demotivates them from having kids, because no one wants to raise a kid in the negative spiral their countries is headed down, when it was already a problem growing up in themselves.It's a psyop because the logic is, "future looks grim, we must compensate with browns" instead of taking responsibility for the ethnic majority in the country and pepping them up to do more serious work and learning more skills. By importing jeets you demotivate your own ethnic majority, and then your country does turn into a country for non-whites over time.
>>533256655Shut the fuck up and get replaced you Monster energy drink guzzling, pizza roll eating hawnkee
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>>533258592Imagine having 5,000 years of history to learn from, and still being dumber than the average sumerian king
>>533258595every single word is incorrect.
>>533258456It is reversible quite easy anon but the powers that be want an ethnocide of europeans on purpose they are just using the economic boomer argument as an exscuse to do it
>>533258665It’s on purpose anon they want an ethnocide they are quite open about it and yes a huge number of those are crazy ass supramacist jews
>>533258469Of course not, imagine facing an extinction event and then adding a yugoslav tier civil war on top of that. Europe is about to face the worst crisis since the rall of the western Roman empire, possibly even worse than that because at least the germanic kings looked up to roman civilization and tried to restore it. Muslims will just stick to their backward religion till the end of times
>>533254849Well. The natives will lose control over their land and be systematicly replaced (people are openly calling for this).
>>533258900Yes we are in deep doodoo but unironically economic implosion will get 60% of them to leave voluntarily they are leeches after all
>>533254849>NUMBER MUST GO UPWhy? Kill yourself kike.
>>533258902Call it ethnocide because that is what it is the muh replacement migration doesn’t has the same impact on normie minds
>>533256129Firstly there will be one to pay for old people, including their retirement funds. Secondly it represents cultural death, entire villages will disappear, including their own unique culture. Everyone will group together in big cities.Even if the countries accepted the depopulated future with no immigration, the future would be very harsh. Stop being retarded and thinking that no one will work because of machines.
>>533259071Anon when the muslims invaded north africa, they completely wrecked its economy. Entire farms were grazed into desserts by their goats. Did they ever leave from there?
>>533254849>Orban's monetary support policies didn't work and failed in Hungary. The problem is clearly not of a materialistic nature.That doesn't follow. Might it be that Orban's level of support wasn't nearly high enough?Socialist Hungary was capable of reproducing, but liberalism destroys the family.
>>533259241Those were not the same kind of people we have now those were actual warriors that truly believed and funny fact a lot of them were spanjards themselves
>>533259188>Secondly it represents cultural death, entire villages will disappear, including their own unique culture. Everyone will group together in big citiesWrong all the population collapse from before did the exact opposite in europe
>>533259241The Banu Hilal invasions were Muslim on Muslim violence
>>533259148I call it justice and sanity.
>>533254849>don't breed white man you're killing (((mother earth)))>your demographics are collapsing goy we have no choice but import the turd world Every, single time.
>>533254849Every single liberal should be arrested and put into psych ward. These retards who write this shit public hanging instantly.
>>533254849How do I fucking breed as a white man? I'm considered unc now and no one wants to have kids with me, yet alone date me. Online dating is fucking bullshit!>Gooks, spicettesFuck off racemixer
>>533254849Jews need to shut the fuck up.
>>533254849Whorshipers of the state want to import more state dependants who will vote for more-free-stuff-from-the-state parties.We unironically need to jail all these traitors that would open the city's gates to invaders.
>>533256051>childbirth has always been one of the leading causes of death of women in historyCompletely irrelevant in modern nations. They don't even have to feel pain if they don't want to due to epidurals.
>>5332601111. Blackface.2. Ejaculate and evacuate.
