Where are you on this chart?
Total Landlord Death
>>533284545All red humans should go back to nomadism
>>533284545The henry George guy I guess? Money from work is le good, money from land is le bad, money from capital I personally dont like too much but I understand its lowkey necessary for a functioning economy
>>533284545All I know is that earning money from labour is for scum. Couldn't be me.
woah i guess Marx was right after all...
>>533284548I low key agree with this guy
>>533284545Ayn Rand lived off welfare lol
Ayan Rand tier.love me free market
>>533284553Why do you bother.
>>533284545Rand was based, all the other ones are socialists
>>533284545>3 retards>and Aristotle
>>533284546Renting in the US is only one step away from slavery, you have basically zero rights (in the majority of states) and if you're wronged your only recourse is to go through courts who will often just throw out the case the moment they see it's a tenant-landlord dispute or waste so much time that it becomes untenable as they basically expect you to be homeless while they drag their feetAt my last apartment before I bought a house some guy left flyers on every door about unionizing the tenants to stop the fucking 30% rent increase they had planned for the next year, they evicted him illegally within a week, he of course fought to get back in but our local court doesn't do shit for months and then claims they have a backlog of cases
>>533284545Why is Pol Pot missing? Are you afraid of the primordial truth?
>>533284545Oh
>>533284553>>533284555
>>533284547Nomads had money though
>>533284557tennat rights are way better heremy last landlord sent me a bill for painting the apartment after i left thinking i wouldnt go seek thr tennants associationthankful a german friend told me about them theyre handling the whole thingbitch is tryinh to charge me 7k for painting and replacing a kitchen that doesn't exist
>>533284547>flag>nafri kikechecksbout
>>533284545Wtf does this mean>Making money Philosopher Takes
>>533284564You're not cute
>>533284560This is why you should only read Hoppe, a great example of the intellectual superiority of those of pure German stock
>>533284562>tennat rights are way better hereIn my state you basically don't have tenant rights, if something in your apartment breaks and the land lord refuses to fix it you first have to given them a written notice that you intend to fix it yourself and deduct it from the rent, then give them a month to respond, then if they say they'll fix it you have to give them another 2-3 months to actually do it and if at any point the process breaks down you have to restart (if you jump through all the hoops and 2-3 months in they start fixing it then take a break and never go back to it you have to resubmit the notice and wait again), they can also enter your rental property at any time without notice for any reason they feel like, if they want to randomly come in to your house mid day and inspect it you have to let them no matter how often they do it, shit is ridiculous, if I'm ever put in a position where I have to rent again I would rather just take a landlords house by whatever means necessary and let what happens after happen
>>533284545>Ayn RandReally everyone on this imaginary chart agrees with Ayn Rand, because the attributes are swallowed up by emphasizing any one of them to the exclusion of the others.So, if you only have wage labor, then laborers are white elephants who become lazy over time, and destroy the society; if you emphasize rent on land, and allow for slavery, then we are worshipping dirt; and, if you try to compromise and make the laborers into financiers, but make rent on land illegal, then you create China.Capitalism = allowing people to make good use of their freedom, with rational standards.
>>533284545George.>>533284546FPBP but also youre an antisemite for saying this.
>>533284565No, this is literally me. I am a cute anime girl irl.
>>533284546fpbp
>>533284545No wages for labor, no interest on capital, and no rentoids. You all work for me alone and I reap the material benefits while directing you retards towards projects that benefit your spiritual and physical wellbeing because I am smart and you are all dumb and gay.
>>533284545definitely aristotle, wage on labour and interest on capital are for small dreamers, rents on land opens the door to infinite possibilities and order
>>533285925This but with me instead of you, cuz you re dumber and gayer than me
Interest is genuinely fine, but usury is demonic.
>>533285985Puede que yo sea más gay, pero tú eres más tonto, Carlos.
>>533285925
>>533284545I'm with Marx because I will never earn interest on capital or rent from land. To support any of the others would be against not only my own interests but also the interests of my loved ones.Those who DO earn money from interest on capital or rent on land are directly or indirectly making my life and the lives of the people I care about shittier. Therefore, they should be killed.
>>533284545Here, let me explain it simply.Pick ONE. And ONLY one.
>>533284545Fun fact, Ayn Rand was a ragebaiter
What the fuck is wage on labor? I am almost liking Aristotle. Though Henry Gorge is nice too. I really hate getting screwed by both interest and rent simultaneously. But think it would be a terrible idea to ban or heavily restrict both at the same time like Karl Marx wants to.
>>533286673>What the fuck is wage on laborThe wage you get paid for doing labour. You know, exactly what it fucking says.
>>533284555She was a kike intellectualising having sex with all the married men in her little cult. That's it, the entire value of her "ideology," and it is pretty wild watching midwits latch unto it to this day because they are just so amazed by her shit tier prose
>>533286757Aristotle in yellow. What did this trust fund neet do gig work? Dress up like Zeus for a week, have kids sit on his lap while he asks them what they want from the gods?
>>533284545Wages are a scam and should be prohibited. The scam of wages is that they are fixed, rather than being proportional. Instead of being pad a flat rate per time, people should be paid a fixed proportion of company earnings. Company earnings double? So does your paycheck. Company failing? Naturally you shouldn't expect it to make the same. This prevents the C suite from directing unlimited profits to themselves and actually gives employees real incentive to contribute, because feedback is built in, automatic, and based on real outcomes. Higher value employees simply make higher proportions than lower value ones. You can add a lag of a few months so that nobody gets surprised by overnight drops and can plan for increases.Interest on capital depends on your definitions of capital and interest, which are varied. Banks print money from nothing and create money when they issue loans. Charging interest on that should be prohibited. Money should be created interest-free.Landlording is also a scam. The role of government should be not to provided rented government housing, but to ensure that all citizens own, as private property, a home of their own. Corporate home ownership should be banned and a cap on property ownership (say a max of 3-5 properties) should be instituted until a certain citizens are housed.
>>533287135*a certain proportion of citizens are housed
>>533287135>Company earnings double? So does your paycheckGood idea.>Company failing? Naturally you shouldn't expect it to make the sameNo. I expect the company to continue paying me at least a base rate (which should be enough to live off of) even if its about to go bankrupt.
>>533287308Company earns more, extra money goes into an account that is liquid, this will go up with profits or taken away of the company does bad. You can leave the company and take your share any time. Top earner, CEO. Makes a cap of a million dollars. All that stupid bullshit about how paying a person 32 million a year for their talent is over, stupid flimsy excuse, anyone can run a big company these days its all automatic now.
>>533287308>No. I expect the company to continue paying me at least a base rate (which should be enough to live off of) even if its about to go bankrupt.>>533287748Right, you can have employers have to put money in some kind of escrow account that's enough to cover you at a certain rate for a certain amount of time if they're failing.
>>533287877I work at company, company has good year end and deposits profits into an employee account, I now have 10k I can take when I leave the company. The next year the company has a bad year and takes 5k out of the account and I now have 5k if I leave the company. If the account reaches 0 then the company takes nothing nor creates a deficit. Base pay never changes. Any rules/laws to prevent accounting from leaving before a bad year end of course.
>>533284546this
>>533284566My brother took the Autism or German test and he complained that the scores didn't add up to 100% even though the site explicitly says they're not supposed toHe was both autistic and German according to said testI'm just autistic
>>533287135I like this.
>>533284545i just like making money and spending money
>>533284545I think Aristotle
>>533284567Landlords do not give a fuckI had to wait three months for them to make one of the three lightswitches in my old apartment bedroom function (they fixed one of the other switches which should already have been functioning as well)Everything was constantly breaking down and the air conditioning was total dogshitAll for the low low price of over 2k a monthSeriously, when you can trust a literal random stranger more than supposed professionals, the entire market is fucked
>>533284545Can someone explain Aristotle's position?
>>533288823On which topic?
>>533284566Libertatianism is not natural order, nor is monarchy or anything other than pure anarchy
>>533284545Henry George was right on everything
>>533284545>Alisa Rosenbaum>philosopherOh, I don't know if I'd go that far. Author of young adult fiction and pied piper of autistic men in bowties, certainly. Philosopher, probably not.
>>533288729I never bothered a landlord to fix something, I would fix it myself and not tell them
>>533288847On why he thinks capotal is red, wages are yellow, but landlordism is green
>>533288892No, taxation is theft. Taxing away something stolen isn't a solution. Say a burglar steals your car, and later the car is found. What should happen to the car? Obviously your car should be returned. George's solution is to put the car up for sale at auction with the proceeds going to the state. If land rents are theft the solution is to ban land rents, just as we ban burglary or car theft.
>>533289129Theft from people who parasite for a living is the least bad form of theft
>>533288892YES
>>5332889761) I'm not an electrician (the important reason)2) It was literally illegal for me to fix it instead of having the landlord fix it
>>533289036Aristotle thought that it was an unnatural abomination to charge interest, because silver cannot beget silver. The Greek word for interest is "tokos" which means "offspring". Silver can't give birth to offspring, so where is this new silver supposed to come from? This idea, according to Aristotle, was absurd. You have to remember that in ancient Greece, the physical scarcity of silver was much more obvious then it is today, so the implausibility of somehow getting your hands on of more of the local, finite supply to pay interest was more evident to them then to us.
>>533289232Ok but if they parasite for a living just ban the parasitism. Otherwise you create a perverse incentive where the state will want more parasitism, since this increases its revenue. In short order you'll have politicians defending parasitism as "essential for national security" and "an essential part of the economy" etc. Imagine proposing that the best way to ban murder or rape was to tax it, and you can see the absurdity of George's proposal. If something is truly wrong, it needs to be banned, and if not, it should be left alone.
>>533286673>What the fuck is wage on labor?It literally just means you get paid for working. Thats it. Im not surprised you are cheering for and end to that, you being a grinning slave after all.
>>533287133No, it means he didnt really like it but wasnt utterly opposed to it. Its kindof a shit image to be honest.
>>533289036As to rents on land, this is more obvious. The classical Greek ideal was autarky, or self contained, self reliance. Being the owner and operator of an estate that could provide your the household of the aristocrat landowner was obviously central to this, so naturally Aristotle approves of this idea.Wages are more complex. To understand the classical Greek attitude toward wages, you have to understand that felt time differently than we did. Time wasn't seen as a commodity that could be broken into sections and then bought or sold, they way we think of it ("You're on my time, time is money, etc."). The closest thing to a wage laborer the Greeks had were slaves, and so the idea that you would rent yourself out for a time period was seen as essentially the worst and most debasing thing that could happen to somebody, since you are essentially enslaving yourself for a period. This also goes against the ideal of autarky. Why would a "real man" need to hire himself out? Shouldn't his household provide for his needs?This is also why I said in my original comment that the points about interest and capital depend on your definitions, because for example interest and usury have been defined in totally different ways by different cultures.
>>533284546Cry harder faggot. You'd be a landlord if you could. Fuckin little jealous bitch.
>>533289834Excellent points, and a reminder that what is good economically is first and foremost a question of what is morally good.
>>533289930I would not be Jewish if I could though I like having part of my penis >>533284546Extremely antisemitic post
>>533284545Ayn Rand. Philosophers should not dictate economic policy.
>>533289987100%. The most central idea of economics is "value". But value is a moral question. If you're not familiar with him I recommend checking out CH Douglas and his ideas about social credit. Part of what I think is so excellent about his work is that he starts from exactly this perspective. "What is the purpose of the economy?", he asks. "To provide for the wants and needs of people". I think many economists are incoherent because their theories aren't predicated on clear moral/evaluative axioms, regardless of what those axioms are.
>>533284545Ayn Rand.
>>533290057Economics policy is a mechanism for organizing society. As such, it is dictated necessarily by what philosophical precepts society has adopted.
>>533290057You're kidding right?
>>533284545Socrates aka I'll tutor your son for free if I can fuck him
>>533288823He believed in slavery
>>533284545Aristotle is based.>Wage: slave, meh>Interest: kike, into the oven>Conquering and protecting land by force: ascended warrior caste
My girl Rand.
>>533290260No I'm saying I agree with her position because she places no restrictions though her philosophy. IE she doesn't impede business.
>kek imagine working to get moneylitteraly all kike when they talk on media
>>533290226Which provides moral guidance, but in the same way you don't want a spiritual caretaker writing economic policy philosophers should stick to their own lane.
>>533284545Aristotle
>>533290054>landlord>JewishYou can pick one and not the other, dipshit
>>533290678Remarkably similar to how Saudi Arabia operates.
>>533284545Rand is about the biggest most Jewish jew to ever jew.
>>533290867True, she was a disgusting whore in life.Basically the Caroline Ellison of a previous generation.
>>533290599Ayn rand's "philosophy" is clearly refuted by reality. The closest thing we have to the "heroes" of Atlas Shrugged are Jeff Bezos and Jeffrey Epstein. We don't have to hypothesize about how they would actually behave when unburdened by law, especially natural law. Dismissing epistemology in favor of sensory "absolutism" is nonsense; as I mentioned earlier in my comments about Greek time sense we have clear historical records that show other cultures had seriously different perceptions of reality than us. Her opinion that the military "really serves the people" is especially naive. Half of the book is just her venting her own sexual frustrations; it's basically 50 Shades of Grey + economics.
>>533288976Good goy
>>533290931She is the utter bottom of the barrel of modernity, the unhinged false reaction against totalitarianism, which just leaves you out to dry as a social atom to be bloodsucked by global plutocrats. An utterly deplorable thinker, philosophy, and happless followers.
>>533290963>Ayn rand's "philosophy" is clearly refuted by realityNo shit, I agree with her in the same way I agree when someone doesn't want to perform unqualified surgery. I don't agree with her philosophy, but she stays out meddling in a field she shouldn't be in.
>>533291177>but she stays out of meddling in a field she shouldn't be in.
>>533284548money from land is the same as money from capital
>>533291177>>533291213How can one engage in economics without engaging in philosophy?
>>533291243No. Land is finite but capital can be infinite, at least effectively.
>>533291264Easily, economic philosophy is it's own subject separate from philosophy.
>>533291243nobody created the land you kikesomeone very obviously created capital goods. we didn't sail across the ocean and find giant industrial blast furnaces in north america, but we sure found plenty of landno man can own what no man created
>>533291651So renting land is ethical as long as work has been performed on the land?
>>533291294All the more reason to allow rent. Prices are how we ration scarce resources in the economy.Suppose that tomorrow it becomes illegal to rent land. What will happen? Businesses can't rent a place, they have to buy it. So... they take out a loan that lets them buy the land while the land becomes collateral. It's effectively the exact same result, but with extra legal hoops because somebody decided to arbitrarily ban a fundamentally logical arrangement.>>533291651The point was necessity for a functional economy, not your imaginary notions of fairness.
>>533284545marx is objectively correct but george is a good first step. aristotle is an honest slaver, rand is a dishonest one>>533288823generating wealth by owning land is good, generating wealth by having wealth is bad, generating wealth using your labor is bad but tolerable for "lesser" men because somebody has to do the work
>>533291294>No. Land is finite but capital can be infiniteSo it's ethical to have money but unethical to own metal as there's a finite supply of it?
>>533289422>just ban the parasitism.That's effectively George's solution, since the land value tax specifically targets exactly the bad parasitic practice it is meant to prevent and totally removes the profit motive for it while touching nothing else. Your version of that solution, to "just ban the practice," is so impractical and impossible to implement you didn't even suggest a mechanism. How do you write a law that bans rent seeking without creating some huge intrusive monitoring agency to enforce it and without creating a thousand loopholes/unintended consequences? The strength of George's version is its simplicity. We know governments are good at valuing land, we know governments are good at keeping track of who owns what, and we know they can keep records that say what the land was worth last year and what it's worth this year. Every function the LVT requires, the government already does, and the government doesn't get to decide who's an ebil rent-seeker and who isn't, i.e. play favorites.>Um but it hurts other peopleNot if you're using the land efficiently, if you're using the land you'll make enough to pay the tax. Keep in mind that nearly all Georgists suggest removing other taxes in addition to putting on the LVT to keep the tax burden roughly the same for normal people. LVT is also much less intrusive than income tax or sales tax, so it's a win-win to replace them with an LVT.>Well taxation is theft so it's bad in and of itselfLeaving aside that no lolbert has a real plan for how civilization continues without taxation, George has a moral position on this. A man is entitled to the sweat of his brow. He is NOT entitled to the sweat of God's brow. Land is not made by humans. There is no human alive who has the ability to conjure dirt from thin air. All this shit was here billions of years before you were born and it'll still be here billions of years after you're dead. So from whence comes your exclusive claim to what you didn't create?
>>533291854I didn't say it should be illegal to rent, I said that George's proposal to solve land rent, or at least "excessive" rent through taxation was nonsense.The problems that currently arise from rent would be massively ameliorated again by:Putting a cap on the # of properties someone can own, possibly increased when enough of the population owns a house.Banning corporate property ownership of any kind.Eliminating debt based currency.Stopping mass migration and implementing mass remigration.Make it easier for people to build their own homes (reforming building codes, inspections, etc.)Every other attempt to fix the issues of excessive rent and landlording will fail unless those are addressed.>>533291971No, but clearly land cannot be the same as capital, since they differ in some quality.
>>533291801as far as I understand the georgist position, its that you tax landowners for an amount equal to the difference between their income from owning land and the value produced by the landie any value they get from mere ownership is taxed at 100%. their system is designed to force anyone to sell any land they're not actively using. so no, if you owned a plot of farmland and worked it to sell the crops, a georgist wouldn't object to you getting paid for those crops. but if you owned another plot of farmland, and rented it to someone for $X/year, and that land generated $2X/year worth of crops, you would pay a tax of $X/year because you aren't allowed to generate wealth via mere ownership of land
>>533292104>since they differ in some quality.A quality you won't extend to other finite resources or define in any other manner.
>>533284546Get fucked serf
>>533284545next to hitler
>>533292123That's a retarded position for agriculture, farm sizes are constantly changing as paddocks get leased between neighbours. Follow that up with how does that work with warehouses who's entire business is to rent space.
>>533292068>How do you write a law that bans rent seeking without creating some huge intrusive monitoring agency to enforce it and without creating a thousand loopholes/unintended consequences?You're describing exactly the apparatus we have for tax collection, the IRS.Aside from the "principle" issue of taxation being theft, a property tax prevents you from exiting the economy. You always have to get back on the hamster wheel of waging somehow to pay the tax. This is the most pernicious aspect of property taxation.>>533292162Why should I? They aren't the same. Over categorization and generalization is an appealing trap that most people have a tendency to overapply. Metal clearly isn't land, and land clearly isn't just capital - that's why we developed different words for them.
>>533292104>I didn't say it should be illegal to rent, I said that George's proposal to solve land rent, or at least "excessive" rent through taxation was nonsense.You didn't say that. I'll quote what you said:>>533291294>No. Land is finite but capital can be infinite, at least effectively.The only reason to make this distinction is if you are attempting to argue that making money from land is unethical. Otherwise the distinction is immaterial to the original discussion.
>>533292185Proving his point, aren't you?
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>>533292260I'm not going to argue the merits of a LVT with someone clearly engaging in bad faith because I'm not a georgist but you're more than welcome to go read their writings yourselfI guarantee they've thought more about this issue than you, little shill
>>533292332>and land clearly isn't just capitalOf course it isn't, it's something you can purchase with money that you're saying shouldn't truly belong to the buyer. On the subject of metal, what's the ethics of renting machinery?
>>533292337>The only reason to make this distinction is if you are attempting to argue that making money from land is unethical.No, *you* are imputing that. I'm making the distinction because they are distinct, and you are asserting that they are not. Otherwise I simply would have said "Making money from land is unethical", which is not a position I hold. That fact that *you* cannot conceive of anther reason to make the distinction is your own shortcoming.
>>533292419>Clams up because reasons. Whatever Homeo.
>>533292484>because they are distinctThey are distinct, you're just not making an argument for why renting the finite pool of land for the infinite pool of money is unethical.
>All redBest philosopher coming through make way
>>533292332The only people who can actually exit the economy are hunter-gatherers and if you're a hunter-gatherer, what the IRS thinks is unimportant. Otherwise you are in the economy and just lying to yourself that you're more independent than you really are. Without government and the economy it rests on, owning land isn't real, there's just what you can defend.And that's not what I was talking about. The IRS can enforce a rule, but how do you write a rule such that it catches slumlords and doesn't catch productive landlords (who George holds to exist) and doesn't catch anyone it isn't supposed to and doesn't miss any slumlords?If you think I'm wrong, write out the law, 2000 characters should be enough. Let's see if it's more or less elegant than just removing the profit motive to slumlording.
>>533292446>On the subject of metal, what's the ethics of renting machinery?It's fine in general. Take care not extend this to other conclusions like not believing in a right to repair, believing in all kinds of "intellectual property".>>533292580>you're just not making an argument for why renting the finite pool of land for the infinite pool of money is unethical.Correct, that isn't a subject I've addressed so far. But to that point:Much of land renting today is unethical because it's taking place in a rigged system, especially for younger people. They didn't get to choose the circumstances of their birth nor do they get any semblence of political power until the same time they have to be economically independent, so they have no choice but to rent to survive. An enormous number of today's landlords are unethical parasites.Renting money is a scam today because banks gotten a monopoly on issuing the nation's money. What this actually means is the have a government backed right to steal people's value through their monopoly on creating money through the issue of loans. Further, money of these loans are "loans for consumption" which do not correspond to real property, and thus amount to the sale of something nonexistent. This is fraud.
>>533292484It's not that I can't conceive of why you make this distinction. It's that the distinction is immaterial in the present context, as I already told you. It's a given that charging rent for land and charging rent for capital aren't literally the same thing. When someone says two different things are the same, they will always mean that they are the same for the purpose of the discussion. You have to be a retarded autist not to understand that.
>>533292375Hm... so much for the haredim not messing in our lives. Gotta eat my hat in shame now.
>>533292737>The only people who can actually exit the economy are hunter-gatherers and if you're a hunter-gatherer, what the IRS thinks is unimportant.Picrelated. Yes I know it's FBI not IRS but you get the idea. Being able to exist without land rent (land taxation) is fundamentally different.As to the rest of your point, the problems of landlording would be mostly resolved through the policies I've already described.
>>533292831>Much of land renting today is unethical because it's taking place in a rigged systemA rigged system due to government interference in the development, leasing, subsidizing rent and immigration sectors of land management.
>>533293014>A rigged system due to government interference in the development, leasing, subsidizing rent and immigration sectors of land management.Yes, absolutely.
>>533293103So how is that an argument against renting land, and not against governmental meddling?
>>533286231>I'm with Marx because I will never earn interest on capital or rent from land. To support any of the others would be against not only my own interests but also the interests of my loved ones.Let me explain why this is retarded. Assume I am not a farmer and Xarm says farmers are greedy and killing our society.>I'm with Xarm because I will never plant a seed or till land. To support any of the others would be against not only my own interests but also the interests of my loved ones.>Those who DO plant seeds and till land are directly or indirectly making my life and the lives of the people I care about shittier. Therefore, they should be killed.
I am wherever Toyotomi Hideyoshi is (probably closest to Aristotle. Slave labour is based (for criminals, unruly misfits and imbeciles unfit for the free labour market).
>>533292910>It's that the distinction is immaterial in the present context, as I already told you.But it is material, that is what you're failing to understand. Land isn't just "capital". Human beings, in the course of their life, have an ontologically distinct relationship with it than other things that might be described as just "capital". Laws dealing with rent that fail to recognize this will necessarily lead to absurdity and injustice. Our laws already recognize this in most places; it's why it's legal to kill a home intruder but not a phone scammer or someone committing check wire fraud or shoplifting.>>533293165>So how is that an argument against renting land, and not against governmental meddling?Apologies, I don't understand your question. How is what an argument against renting land, and not against gov meddling?
>>533293332You keep veering away from what you actually said:>Land is finite but capital can be infiniteIn order for that to be a valuable distinction you need to show why "finiteness" changes how ethical it is to "make money from land." You bring up a bunch of other angles, but none of them derive from finiteness. They're all based on you saying that reality is unfair.For example:>Much of land renting today is unethical because it's taking place in a rigged system, especially for younger people. They didn't get to choose the circumstances of their birth nor do they get any semblence of political power until the same time they have to be economically independent, so they have no choice but to rent to survive. An enormous number of today's landlords are unethical parasites.This is complete gobbledygook dressed up as sophistication.Much of land [employment] is unethical because it's taking place in a rigged system, especially for younger people. They didn't get to choose the circumstances of their birth nor do they get any semblence of political power until the same time they have to be economically independent, so they have no choice but to [work] to survive. An enormous number of today's [employers] are unethical parasites.
>>533292627Diogenes. Hell yeah nigger
>>533284560Block and Randians have both effectively been excommunicated from libertarianism in recent years over their zionism. Block for instance has been called a "unhinged collectivist taken in by genocidal impulses" by no less than Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Friedman was never really a libertarian. Mises and Rothbard are both based, even if they aren't as based as someone like Hoppe.https://mises.org/mises-wire/open-letter-walter-e-blockhttps://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/12/fernando-chiocca/randians-are-genocidal-collectivists/
>>533293736Libertarianism isn't a religion, it's a reasoned ideology. A person having wrong opinions on some topic doesn't invalidate the correct logic they present elsewhere.
Wait til the people ITT hit puberty and realize who owns most of the land.
>>533293815>Libertarianism isn't a religion, it's a reasoned ideology.I said effectively. Their zionism has had a similar effect on their popularity in libertarian circles as excommunication would have on a Catholic.>A person having wrong opinions on some topic doesn't invalidate the correct logic they present elsewhere.Hoppe makes that very point in the open letter I linked.
>>533284545Only the state should be allowed to collect interest. Taxes do not exist outside of capital gains from speculation and strategic tarrifs.
>>533293934Only a small minority of readers are going to click on your links. You may at the core have a nuanced take, but the way you're expressing it is making libertarians look like cancel culture leftists.
>>533293846At least its not like in China where the government owns it all and pretends the people do for propaganda purposes
>>533293846private interests? are you retarded ai lobotomites unable to read? oh no, the horror of empty deserts and beautiful natural parks being owned by the government, we need to eliminate all taxation on landlords to correct this injustice>>533293815>Libertarianism isn't a religion,it requires people to spontaneously behave in ways they don't, so yes its a religion
>>533284548>but I understand its lowkey necessary for a functioning economyIt's not. Who told you that lie? The healthiest economies in history always banned usury and interest.
>>533294179>The healthiest economies in history always banned usury and interest.Such as?
>>533294132>it requires people to spontaneously behave in ways they don'tLiterally every single communicated idea has this property
>>533293815Libertarianism is a cringe attempt to cling to fake Jewish liberties while pretending they're not fake and Jewish.
>>533293684>This is complete gobbledygook dressed up as sophistication.No it's quite coherent.>Much of [employment] is unethical because it's taking place in a rigged systemYes absolutely. Most people aren't working because work "needs to be done" it's just because they need special tokens (money) that banks have maneuvered themselves into having a monopoly to issue. The economy today is just working for the company store on a bigger scale. That's a scam and is unjust.> so they have no choice but to [work] to surviveCorrect, it's unjust. Do you really believe after even a century of the technological advancements we've had, people somehow need to work more hours to afford less than what was available 50 years ago? >An enormous number of today's [employers] are unethical parasites.Correct. Is this really so controversial?
>>533294240>Libertarianism is a cringe attempt to cling to fake Jewish liberties while pretending they're not fake and Jewish.Exactly! Freedom is, dare I say it, slavery!
>>533289270Henry George deserves to be better known
>>533294132Exactly. Farmers and shit.Why not have the government own 100% of theland at let it all return to nature? Farmers are killing our society just like Xarm said. >>533293206
>>533294022I could have written that post in such a way that there was no way to misread it like that, but the sort of person who would read my post and think that Libertarians are a bunch of cancel culture leftists would just come away with an incorrect impression anyway. Look at the knuckle draggingly retarded replies you got to the observation that libertarianism isn't a religion.
>>533284548Then why the fuck does it never produce a functioning economy lmfao
>>533284545>ayn randIs this a joke?
>>533294726Because most people have been indoctrinated into statism from a young age and can't imagine thinking up their own ideas rather than having AUTHORITY MAN tell them what to do. They don't have any articulate arguments against freedom so they write the whole idea off as incomprehensible mysticism.
For anyone looking for more about Georges and why he isnt as well known as Marx or Keynes despite being wildly popular during his life should read "The corruption of economics" by Mason GaffneyA free PDF can be found here>https://leavenproject.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/corruption-of-economics.pdfThis will also help pro Georgist people understand why this idea is so hard for people to accept
>>533295541Based book spreader allow me to return the favor:https://www.socred.org/http://www.ozarkia.net/kevincarson/index.html
>>533294300The point of substituting [rent] and [employment] was to illustrate that your premise (life is unfair) has nothing to do with your conclusion (land ownership needs special treatment). None of your arguments have a functional underlying logic, they're just [emotional rage inducement]->[stupid solution].
>>533293292>Hideyoshi ToyotomiThe real redpill is, the economic system doesn't matter much in a racially homogenous land (or at least one with a clear racial hierarchy), as long as there are clearly defined roles for the sexes. People will sort out how to live to the fullest under the prevailing environment.For example, life is probably better in North Korea than in South Korea. In North Korea the lack of digital technology fosters tight knit communities. On the contrary, South Korea suffers from extreme loneliness.Our jewish overlords that want to genocide us are the worst case scenario.
>>533284545I've read most of Aristotle's philosophical works (as distinct from his zoological works) and I don't recall him endorsing "rents on land", where does he do that? To my memory both Plato and Aristotle had a relatively poor opinion of 'making money' as such and felt that a gentleman should live off the labor of his slaves, which is something you also find in Roman patrician writers. Plato claims in the Laws for example that working as a merchant should be restricted to metics
>>533296144>life is probably better in North Korea than in South Korea.No.
>>533293292>Toyotomi HideyoshiYou want a forever colonial war to keep your huge warrior caste employed/culled to maintain social equilibrium?
>>533297036>forever colonial warWasn't exactly forever was it.
>>533296329>a gentleman should live off the labor of his slavesI'm not trying to insult youbut how do you think a slaveowner uses his slaves to make a living? you own land, make the slaves work it to produce crops that are useful or valuable, then use or sell the crops respectively. or you own a mine but same difference. even if they really were renting land to non-slaves, the rent would almost certainly be paid in kind rather than in currency. there was very little difference economically between a non-slave tenant farmer and a slave
>>533294224ah but you see, only libertarians insist that using force to make people act a certain way is fundamentally wrong. they are unique in that they *require* spontaneous changes in behavior, everyone else recognizes that you use governments to force people to change their behavior if they don't do so voluntarily.that's why lolbertarianism is a religion. its like trying to dig a hole but insisting that shovels are immoral
>>533297569In what area of your life would you say you need government to force you to act correctly or morally?
>>533297569>libertarians insist that using force to make people act a certain way is fundamentally wrongYou should be saying "aggression" rather than "force" because libertarians don't have an issue with using force where merited. For example, force can be used to stop you from being a violent nigger. Force can be used to expel you from the property of a community that does not want you.It's true that subscribing to non-aggression requires suppressing your impulses, just like not being a criminal nigger does.>they are unique in that they *require* spontaneous changes in behaviorNo, every ideology does.>everyone else recognizes that you use governments to force people to change their behavior"You" aren't doing shit. Your president does whatever the hell he wants and you fall in line and pay for it like a good little piggy.
>>533290057She was a philosopher and a kike you retard, you're too blood muddled with those fucking island rats.
/pol/ needs more real threads like this.
>>533297083Unfortunately. The Tokugawa shogunate went isolationist and suffered the feudal rot that Europe avoided thanks to colonialism. Oh well, when Toyotomi failed to take Korea, there really wasn't any other place they could realistically invade
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>>533284548Progress and Poverty (1879)9/10. Would recommendHe drops the ball in the last two or three chapters though by proposing female (and maybe nigger?) rights. Might have been added post mortem though.
>>533297933>uses some shitty ai slop as an argumentthere's no real point in discussing with someone that refuses to even think for themselves but oh well>force where merited.here come the weasel words>erm well you see its not merited to use force to prevent someone from holding slaves, they freely signed a contract to become slaves while they were starving to death>No, every ideology does.every ideology that actually works uses things like subsidies, tax breaks, and physical violence if needed to change people's behavior. are lolberts now in favor of harsh taxes on things in order to suppress them?>singling out the use of the generic you as if I meant it to mean me personallyretard or autist, call it
>>533298601>>erm well you see its not merited to use force to prevent someone from holding slaves, they freely signed a contract to become slaves while they were starving to deathWhat kind of strawman is this? "Agreements" made under coercion are obviously not valid.Also you didn't answer my question. In what area of your life would you say you need government to force you to act correctly or morally?
>>533297763so you trust everyone else to just behave properly all the time no matter what absent any restrictions? if you really are a paragon of personal responsibility, you should LOVE the law. you won't break it regardless so it doesn't effect you at all, but it gives you protection from other people that may be less scrupulous
>>533298601>retard or autist, call itI'd say you're more of a retard than an autist>here come the weasel wordsThe difference between force and aggression is the most fundamental idea in libertarianism. If you don't understand that, you have no idea what you're arguing about.>every ideology that actually works uses things like subsidies, tax breaksThis is like saying every ideology that actually works has crime. It's an undesirable element that makes the productive citizens worse off.
>>533298745>under coercionplease rigorously define coercion then. not bothering to reply until you can do this
>>533298749Hold on, one thing at a time, just answer the question anon. In what area of your life would you say you need government to force you to act correctly or morally?
>>533298839so you trust everyone else to just behave properly all the time no matter what absent any restrictions?
>>533298790Sure, coercion is using aggression against someone to influence their behavior. Obviously this can be both "active" (do X or I'll shoot you) or "passive" (do X or I won't divert the trolley).
>>533284545based georgism threadLand value taxes with a dividend are the single best solution to our economic issues.
>>533298913If your answer is "nothing I can regulate my own behavior without government" that's fine anon. If not, what is your answer? Is it the way you treat others? They way you care for yourself physically? What do buy? What to eat? Surely there must be some part of your life where you believe the government must force you to act correctly in some area of your life? So, what part is it? I gave you a straight answer to your question about coercion, now you give me a straight answer to mine.
>>533288891>Natural orderGo back to reading marx, silly slovenian tranny
>>533298913>>533299063See anons, statists can never, ever answer this question. Because government is never about "law and order" or "enforcing contracts" or any of this twaddle, it's always about simply controlling others. They think they're better than you, a higher caste than you, and laws (literally, Chinese legalism) are just the means by which they legitimize violence against others and control of others. "People need a strong hand to keep them in line, except for me".Just rename "legalism" or "statism" or "government" to "control freakism" and you've comprehended them entirely.
>>533299562The problem I have with this argument is that there legitimately are lesser people out there who act like criminals. That's why the NAP is about aggression rather than force, because you control aggression through the threat of force.
>>533299660>there legitimately are lesser people out there who act like criminals.Sure, but how does this contradict my point? The use of force in self defense is perfectly fine.
>>533284545I don't believe in making money, as profiteering is inherently exploitative. I'd rather just live a good and long life.
>>533293206>compares collecting a check to actual workkek
>>533299761Because it's true that I want to control/govern other people's behavior (to a limited extent). An anarchist that does not believe in the NAP would call the libertarian a control freak.
>>533299920>Because it's true that I want to control/govern other people's behavior (to a limited extent)Ok, so in what area do you think that your behavior needs to be controlled by someone else?
>>533299972In discouraging me from stealing from them. If I could steal from a bank with zero repercussions, I might be tempted to do it.
>>533288434>My brother took the Autism or German test and he complained that the scores didn't add up to 100%He took the speedrunning shortcut to be diagnosed as a double-autist with just one question
>>533300088Really? So without the police etc. to keep you in check, you'd be a bank robber? Interesting. Do you think someone with your lack of impulse control should be given power to control the behavior of others? That would be the fox guarding the hen house, wouldn't it?
>>533284545I don't steal other people's labor nor do I justify it with a garbage ideology. There is a thing called justice and morality and you will adhere to it.
>>533300190Impulse control is suppressing a natural impulse because you understand that the consequences of following that impulse would be harmful. Robbing a bank when you know there will be zero repercussions isn't poor impulse control, it's just greed. And everyone is greedy.The reason that people don't all steal from each other is because (1) they are trained not to as children and (2) there are consequences for theft imposed by society. In a state of nature, savages steal from and kill each other. To stop doing that is a sort of game theory solution where the parties involved agree not to harm each other in order to protect themselves from harm.So then, it's not that I am uniquely a fox among hens. The world is full of foxes who, if they're smarter than niggers, can rationally establish a peace treaty (non-aggression).
>>533299972It's really quite simple, defensive force is acceptable, aggressive force is not. You can defend your home, but not break into other people's homes.
>>533284548>lowkeyOpinion discarded.
>>533289270unironically can use this against all investments. it's tied too closely to how subjective value is. I think it's a bad idea to restrict it. it's also an argument about supply and demand and changes to it being unearned. I don't think Georgism is any good, after seeing this image, to be quite honest.
>>533300606>The reason that people don't all steal from each other is because (1) they are trained not to as children and (2) there are consequences for theft imposed by society.Actually they don't steal because people instinctively understand at least some notion of property, in fact even animals do. Property rights are the most natural way to avoid conflict over scarce resources, and we live in a world of scarcity, so there is evolutionary pressure to respect property rights so as to avoid dying violently. People have to be trained to steal, not the other way around. >In a state of nature, savages steal from and kill each other.They don't. It turns out that the Locke's notions of the state of nature were wrong. In a state of nature people behave pretty much like Hoppe describes the natural order.
>>533300606>And everyone is greedy.This isn't true at all, you're just trying to rationalize your own shortcoming by dragging everyone else down.See anon, when you say you could steal from the bank without repercussions, what you meant is you could steal from the bank without repercussions *for you*. There are necessarily repercussions for others - you've stolen their money! If it weren't someone else's it wouldn't be stealing. And this is what separates you from the rest. There are plenty of people who have been in positions where they could steal without repercussions *for themselves*, but they didn't *because they understood the repercussions for others*. This didn't occur to you at all. And this is precisely why people like you will always make excuses for why you need power.Think about it: even when you have enough self awareness to know and admit you might steal from others given the chance, it doesn't occur to you to improve your own character so as to not do that.You don't need government. You just lack character. And the worst possible scenario is people like you getting power.
>>533301006>People have to be trained to steal, not the other way around.Exactly. The same with institutionalized murder (war). Soldiers have to be trained. And not just in terms of the technical details of wielding weapons etc., but in the psychological act of killing others. Why? Because their natural state is to not do this.
>>533284545I'm on the "Tax Rent" portion. But u ain't ready for that. >Rent? TAXED>subscription/aka rented access to a machineTAXED>loan/aka rented moneyThe jew fears the value labke
>>533301424While people do need to be trained to commit the sorts of atrocities which take place in state conflicts, historical non-state societies were actually much more militarily capable per capita than their state rivals. The Celtiberians were able to mobilize their entire adult male population to defend themselves from being conquered by the Romans, allowing them to fight toe-to-toe with Rome for years in spite of being a society with about 1% of the population. This was possible because in a free society every man is expected to be able to defend themself, and they are able to mobilize like that because in the absence of coercion, the heirarchy which forms is a consensual one which leads to natural unit cohesion and massive social buy in.
>>533301006>people instinctively understand at least some notion of propertyTrue! And they also kill and steal from each other.>Property rights are the most natural way to avoid conflict over scarce resourcesThat's exactly what I said.>They don't.They do. Nature is incredibly violent and people are just intelligent apes. White people didn't just magically become non-violent.>>533301070>This isn't true at all, you're just trying to rationalize your own shortcoming by dragging everyone else down.Anon, you're delusional. People will stab each other in the back for money, kids bully other kids for social prestige, and stealing from the rich is an extremely popular idea almost everywhere. People are GREEDY. Comparatively speaking, I'm an extremely moral person. I don't steal, I don't cheat others; I'm honest and forthright in my dealings. But I'm also self-aware that if I felt like I could steal from some filthy rich entity with no repercussions, I might do it.>what you meant is you could steal from the bank without repercussions *for you*Obviously.>There are necessarily repercussions for others - you've stolen their money!The bank's money, yes. Did you stop to wonder why I said a bank and not my next-door neighbor? Nobody cares about some fat cat losing 1% of his cash. The reason not to do this relates to functional societal principles, not selflessness.
>>533301766It almost is if men voluntarily defending what's theirs are more capable, motivated, and creative than glorified slaves.
>>533301006um, just looking at the Viking age should make you question yourself a little bit.
>>533285433freedom for some. Slavery for others.
>>533290674Economics itself is epistmological invention, not a science. It is philosophical by it's very nature. You appear to have this skewed view that philosophers are navel gazing idealists, utopianists or only dwell on existential mystical 'what ifs?'. But in its most basic form Philosophy is asking where & how humanity developed & transferred knowledge.
>Ayn Rand>philosopherStopped reading there.
>>533289129There is no legitimate owner for land. Nobody made the land, so nobody can own it.
>>533301882>They do.Why then do you think wolves mark their territory? In your conception of nature they would merely be inviting attack by announcing their presence. >>533301958There have always been criminals, which is to say people who do not respect property rights, that doesn't make them normal. Viking is not the name of a country or society, viking was a profession, like being a bandit or a pirate or IRS agent.
>>533301882>People will stab each other in the back for moneyPeople like you, as you've already established.>kids bully other kids for social prestigeKids bully because they're abused.>stealing from the rich is an extremely popular idea almost everywhereThe kind of rich you're talking about are got rich by stealing themselves. People don't want to steal, people want to get what has been stolen from them back. "Stealing" in this sense is just ironic use of the term, like Robin Hood "stealing" from the sheriff of Nottingham who got his money by unironically stealing from the local peasantry, whom Robin Hood then returned it to.Similarly, people don't say "Luigi did nothing wrong" because they're bloodthirsty demons who simply want to shed blood, they say it because they CEO he killed literally sentenced people to death for money. They aren't greedy, nor are they bloodthirsty. They want don't want crime, they want its absence.> Did you stop to wonder why I said a bank and not my next-door neighbor?Because "robbing a bank" is the default meme expression for a crime of theft. Now that I've called you out you're trying to split hairs. What you were originally trying to express was that you think government is necessary because people *like you* would commit crimes if not forcefully inhibited.Which again brings to me to crucial point: even when you have the self awareness to realize and admit this, it doesn't occur to you to change. Virtue is a skill, one which it doesn't occur to you to cultivate. And this is why people like you are unfit to govern. But people unlike you don't need governance. Which is why you didn't bring up this point in your last response, this time not out of lack of awareness, but embarrassment. The real solution to "societies' problems" is for people like you to fix for moral issues, not to create massive systems of coercion to try to keep people like you in check forever.
>>533291438No it isn't. It's a sub field
>>533302324>There have always been criminalsPointless distinction when your powerless against the criminal.even the chevauchées of the 100 years war. it really doesn't matter what general people are like. all it takes is one ambitious person.which is exactly why people have to be trained to kill so they can defend themselves. and why you had sheriffs and calling men to service.you had Kings (the supreme authority of their land) raiding to raise funds.There is no universal authority. There is no universal morality to keep these things in check. You have to meet force with force. And they did.
>>533291243>the material is the same as the immaterial Come home Jewish man
>>533292627Fuck off Felix. You pseudo.
>>533302162Git gud.
>>533302261Perhaps not in a "spiritual" or "absolutely ontological" sense, but there is a need to determine who gets physical sovereignty (and by that here I just mean the actual right to occupy and use) over land, because that's necessary not only for survival but has clearly been demonstrated to be the best and most effective way for people to live peacefully and prosperously. We call this "ownership". As you'll seen in my earlier comments however, I'm quite aware of the fact that land is quite unlike other "assets"/"capital"/"property"/whatever, and the optimal arrangement is to try to make sure everybody can "own" some over their lifetime.
>>533284556It tends to play out that way
>>533302324>Why then do you think wolves mark their territory?Holy smokes anon, did you think about your example at all before posting it? Wolves mark their territory to tell other wolves:"Hey fuck off other wolves if you come here we're going to have a problem!"And sometimes they do encroach on each other's territory and fight over it. The decision to avoid encroaching is a manifestation of the principle I mentioned earlier: it's a rational non-aggression pact.>>533302352>People like you, as you've already established.I said the opposite though. "I don't steal, I don't cheat others" Why do you believe me only when I say something negative about myself, but not when I say something positive?>Kids bully because they're abused.They bully because it makes them look/feel cooler than the person they're bullying. Bullying is common social behavior, not just one abused kid lashing out at another. Have you ever watched The Office? How does Jim treat Dwight, and why? Granted it's a TV show, but this is a lesson you ought to have learned in real life. If you haven't I have to resort to something shared.>The kind of rich you're talking about are got rich by stealing themselvesThis is bullshit that people say to stop themselves from being shamed. It's part of a general tactic to justify getting free money.>like Robin Hood "stealing" from the sheriff of NottinghamThat's the true/right-wing Robin Hood, but it's not what leftists are really arguing. They strawman the rich guy to justify taking his money.>Now that I've called you out you're trying to split hairsAnon it was an intentional choice from the beginning. It's so silly how you come in late to the argument when I've been giving carefully-considered arguments about moral principles, and try to accuse me of lacking self-awareness or having no principles. Stop being so fucking obtuse.
>>533302447I don't see how what you're saying is a response to my post.
>>533302832>Holy smokes anon, did you think about your example at all before posting it?Yes>And sometimes they do encroach on each other's territory and fight over it. The decision to avoid encroaching is a manifestation of the principle I mentioned earlier: it's a rational non-aggression pact.So you recognize that property rights are a natural evolved behavior and not something which needs to be taught?
>>533289834>This also goes against the ideal of autarky.Autarky was a meme for high IQ intellectuals, not a value which directed individual action for the masses. Selling yourself into slavery was literally something done at time. Phaedo, Epitectus were, as well as others in Socrates circle were slave, with one of their friend, Cebes, purchasing them whenever they'd get into trouble.
>>533302954Anon I never said property rights had to be taught. I said that not stealing has to be taught, because in the natural world animals steal from each other all the time. Likewise, savage humans will steal from each other and kill each other. It takes a level of rationality to abandon that behavior as human society largely has, but we aren't just instinctively averse to stealing.
>>533302832>I said the opposite though. "I don't steal, I don't cheat others" Why do you believe me only when I say something negative about myself, but not when I say something positive?Anon you literally said that without government to hold you back you would steal. And you gave "robbing a bank" as an idiomatic example of that crime. After all, if you didn't mean this as a crime and "stealing" from a bank actually isn't wrong, why would this be something we need government to stop?>Have you ever watched The Office?Citing normie TV now? The consequences of abuse are real and well documented, and this is the cause of bullying.>This is bullshit that people say to stop themselves from being shamed.No, it's reality. Next you'll telling me that banks don't practice usury, people just hated them for no reason. But wait, what happened to "it's no big deal if I steal the bank's money? It's not like he's my neighbor"??>They strawman the rich guy to justify taking his money.The leftists are useful idiots. But one reason the Marxist propaganda works so will is there's a bit of truth mixed in with the lies. Take the Cuban revolution for example. Was Batista a mobster and a crook? Of course. Does that justify Marxism? Of course not. Most of the "ultra rich" like Bezos, Gates, Musk, etc. are in fact thieves.>It's so silly how you come in late to the argumentI literally have numerous posts in this thread before you.
>>533303049You're contradicting yourself, theft is a violation of property rights by definition. Animals will generally they respect them for members of their family group, and sometimes even for most members of their own species. Humans not engaging in theft is normal and not a learned behavior. It takes far more clever thought to trick a person to accept theft than to not accept it. Even for supposedly socially acceptable forms of theft like taxation, people still chafe against it because they know it isn't right.
>>533303046>Autarky was a meme for high IQ intellectuals, not a value which directed individual action for the massesIt absolutely was, though only members of the aristocracy (by definition!) had the resources to realize it.>Selling yourself into slavery was literally something done at time.Something done out of absolute necessity, and was nevertheless seen as an indignity.>purchasing them whenever they'd get into trouble.Why only when they'd get into trouble anon? Because it was something to avoid. Is this really not obvious?
>>533296329>To my memory both Plato and Aristotle had a relatively poor opinion of 'making money' as such and felt that a gentleman should live off the labor of his slaves, which is something you also find in Roman patrician writers.Holy shit man, not meaning to insult you, but if that's what you remember I don't know what to tell you. Aristotle's arguments on slavery is one long list of reasons why it is morally and ontologically wrong, only to ark back to his hermeneutics, which is that on general subjects the general opinion trumps the specialized one, and so since he's the only one to think so then everyone else must be right. Which is the kind of argument you'd find sensible from a man who is pretty much always one bad stated opinion away from getting murdered, Aristotle was a stranger in Athens, and very conscious of the fact that he didn't have the same war hero clout protecting him that Socrates did.
>>533303258*was seen as a value by the masses. If anyone "made it" financially, the would set themselves up in a state of autarky.
>>533303258>Why only when they'd get into trouble anon?Because most slave owners were fine. Fuck I forget the name of the book, the one in which Socrates goes to get a certificate of orthodoxy before the trial, meets a merchant's son doing the same after having disavowed his father for having killed a slave? Filial piety is the greatest force in nearly all ancient societies, but everyone agreed the murder of the slave was absolutely wrong, the problem was that no son should ever testify against his father, even if he is wrong. And of course it was an indignity, but from all indication it wasn't something that would marr you as an individual, perhaps more comparable to having to declare personal bankruptcy in modern times. Athenians seemed to have been much better toward their slaves then nearly all of their contemporaries, as well as Romans after.
>>533303222>After all, if you didn't mean this as a crime and "stealing" from a bank actually isn't wrong, why would this be something we need government to stop?Why don't you go back and read my posts? I already answered this. Maybe if you spent more time reading what I said and less time thinking you're psychic, you wouldn't be so confused.>Citing normie TV now?Again you act obtuse. Why do people enjoy watching Jim bully Dwight? It's the same reason people join in or laugh at bullying in real life. Did you not go to a public school? Are you socially retarded?>No, it's reality.Leftist propaganda is reality?I think you've forgotten the entire point here. You tried to claim that most people are just naturally inclined to not steal, and I pointed out how popular pro-theft propaganda is. If you were honest like I am, you would now concede that greed leading to theft isn't so rare and unnatural. Refraining from theft is a learned and reinforced behavior that arises in a rational society, out of mutual self-interest.>I literally have numerous posts in this thread before you.Are you incapable of mentally distinguishing between "the argument" and "the thread"?>>533303222>theft is a violation of property rights by definitionYes and animals routinely violate each others' property rights even if they understand them. Animals within a family group mostly share their property, and will fight a bit over food. This doesn't go too far because it is not in their best interests to constantly clash with their family.Anon have you not spent much time interacting with babies and children? They have to be taught social (good) behavior. That's not to say there aren't instinctive components; we also have natural sympathy for each other. But something like never stealing from others is absolutely learned.
>>533303981>Why do people enjoy watching Jim bully Dwight? It's the same reason people join in or laugh at bullying in real life.Lol this is the same nonsensical argument as "The Matrix caused Columbine"Everything else you wrote is just ad hominems babble.Look anon, you don't need the state. You just need act morally. And you have a recognition of what that is: "I honest and forthright" etc. It's that simple.
>>533304156You're such a dumb nigger you don't realize I'm a libertarian.
>>533304204>I need the state to keep me from stealing>I'm libertarian>Ad homs
>>533304794>can't read>can't think>can't argue
>>533298298The funny part this thread was originally on int
>>533284545All I know is that Karl Marx was right about capitalism and Jews
>>533299864>Protects plant landlords who hoard land
>>533305703https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Marx
>>533306191>>533305703https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Pressburg
>>533284564Its nonsense. I think they mean "Philosophers opinions on sources of income"
Why could the boomers buy a house for $10k but houses now are $500k?The Jews transfer wealth to themselves through printing $trillions.Imagine that you have a machine that can print endless amounts of $100 bills.Print $500k then go buy a house.Now you own this house.Rent house to goyimYou collect 50% of the goyim's paycheck.You own 50% of the goyim's labor.Repeat.Soon you own the whole neighborhood.Repeat for decades.Own 100,000's of housesHousing prices are astronomical and ordinary people can't afford to buy.Vast numbers of goyim now work for you in virtual slavery.This is wealth transfer from the citizens to the Jews who own the central banks that print money. Enslavement through central banking.>By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. - John Maynard Keynes https://archive.org/details/a-history-of-central-banking-and-the-enslavement-of-mankind-pdfdrive>The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world. > Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx. https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevismhttps://archive.is/wV8ay
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>>533306635https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3559789BumpGood night, everyone. Beware the jew and the crypto jew
>>533306648He was butthurt knowing his Rothschild relatives will not give him money
>>533284566He says the same thing
>>533284545> Interest on capitalIf there is no interest on capital, why provide it to others so they can do stuff while you don't need it right away? Something of this type will always emerge because it is a natural transaction (capital provides value even if you have to pay back).> Rent on landThat is fine. What if you want land but can't afford it? What if you want to be more flexible?> Wage on labourWhy would I work for free?
>>533290826Modernity did away with this distinction.
>>533284546>das rite goy, the issue is not Central Banking, it's goyim being allowed to do voluntary private business among each other, only (((government))) should do thatShalom
>>533284547why don't you build a wall about it? like they did in Berlin?no nomads in right side of Germany desu
>>533284545green --> oy vey, we should allow the goyim to get into this? maybe just a little bitred ---> no goyim allowed! only (((government)))>imagine being ACTUALLY retarded? lol!!! (couldn't be me)
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>>533286151nuh uh
>>533284560you're a retard larping as an intellectual.you have never read anything by any of the authors in your memegraphic.>>533284566Hoppe is basically Rothbard 2.0 it's hard to understate the respect, influence, and admiration Hoppe holds for Rothbard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmrjbGHaOQ
>>533288729Why do muricans rent then?>>533288976>I never bothered a landlord to fix something, I would fix it myself and not tell them>>533284567>In my state you basically don't have tenant rights, if something in your apartment breaks and the land lord refuses to fix it you first have to given them a written notice that you intend to fix it yourself and deduct it from the rent, then give them a month to respond, then if they say they'll fix it you have to give them another 2-3 months to actually do it and if at any point the process breaks down you have to restart (if you jump through all the hoops and 2-3 months in they start fixing it then take a break and never go back to it you have to resubmit the notice and wait again), they can also enter your rental property at any time without notice for any reason they feel like, if they want to randomly come in to your house mid day and inspect it you have to let them no matter how often they do it, shit is ridiculous, if I'm ever put in a position where I have to rent again I would rather just take a landlords house by whatever means necessary and let what happens after happen
>>533284545> I swear on my life, and my love of it, to never live for the sake of another man, nor ask from another man to live for my own.
i love free markets, just dont buy if you dont like it its that simple
>>533284546Oy vey! But countries with higher rate of home owners tend to be more antisemitic.
>>533284545Lenin.
>>533300977Georgism is based on the notion that land and natural resources that aren't replicable don't constitute capital.
