>yes it me your son esau>cmere boi let me bless youHow does israel cope knowing their whole identity is built around a guy that cheated his dieing father ?!
>>533317381Is this the jew that fucked his daughters to repopulate his tribe? Such a cultured history
>>533317508No. Judah impregnated Tamar, who was his daughter-in-law. He ignored her and didn’t hand her over to one of his other sons after her husband died, though Onan stepped in, and so she dressed up as a cult prostitute, covering her face with veil, and when he passed by he fucked her and got her pregnant. And she took his staff or something. So she shows up pregnant a few months later and he’s furious, and then she shows him his staff and he realizes he knocked her up. And thus was born Perez, the ancestor of David and consequently Jesus. Hot story.
It is Isaac, the father of Jacob(Israel) and Esau. Shortly before passing, he wanted his son esau to prepare him his favorite meal and then pass on. Jacobs mother noticed and told Jacob to wear a sheep skin to mimic his brothers Body hair. (Isaac was blind, Jacob was soft) So he intentionally cheated his dieing father for a blessing.
Only orthodox Christianity can explain old testament because it is typological of God and Christs incarnate.The point of Jacob and Esau story is at Christ says, not to be lukewarm. Esau was content with his inheritance while Jacob fought tooth and nail to gain Gods favor no matter what. His actions were morally wrong but due to his fiery desire God gave him a chance by allowing angel of the lord to wrestle with Jacob, this wrestling represents faith itself and constant ceaseless process we need to partake in. As the result of all of this Jacob gained Gods favor because he proved that he desired it above all else, who does this remind you of? Other nations versus the Jews.The Jews were content with revelation of God, but when time came to wrestle with God they refused to do it and even entertain their faith, on the other hand the nations of the world desired word of God like a man dying of thirst in the desert.
>>533317602Jesus is the Son of God, the holy spirit is his father. Only through adoption he would join Josephs family tree.Also David was a murderer and killed the hetite Urija to finally breed King Salomo into life. Wich is still the greatest deceiver to the people of Israel, introducing the past heritage of egyptian wisdom teachings and finally replacing the law of god with the law of man.
>>533317381This is actually the thing that bothers me the most as a Christian. Jacob/Israel is literally a thief who stole from his father and brother. Why does his action have zero negative consequences when it's one of the Ten Commandments he broke, twice?
>>533317983I can explain all parts of old testament, God willing, through correct Orthodox phronema, God willing. This tomfoolery and corruption of theology in west has gone too far, throw anything at me.
>>533318004Because it’s a book written by Jews with Jewish values. Remember the part in Numbers where Moses massacres all the Midianites except the virgin girls?
>>533318004See>>533317983
>>5333180041. It was before was before the commandments ever got laid down2. Jacob didn't get off scott free, he still had to deal with shit3. He actually does become a better person later onYou can look at it as that even if you're God's chosen, you aren't going to be perfect. It's only when "wrestling with God" and other shit is when you can be refined. So, it's not "God blessed him for being a bastard", but "God blessed him despite being a bastard".
>>533317508No, you're thinking of Lot, who was raped by his daughters as punishment for offering them up to be raped by the masses. He didn't want to have sex with his daughters. They did it to him to defile him, because he was going to have them defiled. It was payback.
>>533318231Yes but the most important thing is that Esau was content while Jacob desired God even though he was morally imperfectThen through wrestling with God his nature became better too We can't be content with God by virtue of promise alone if we don't desire God above life
>>533318231>all that goyslave cope
>>533317983How do we know now it was not Esau he wrestled with. It was in the midsts of a river, it was dark. It is simple to say: it was an angel of g*d
>>533318288I hate it when sexy little girls force me to impregnate them
I thinknits more about selling your heritage for a bowl of soup
>>533318378They presumably weren't going about it in a nice way. He was blackout drunk, and they hated him. Who knows what crazy shit they did to him? They could have damaged his dick.
>>533318288>Jewish book is full of Jewish sexual fantasies and incest porn scenariosWow Anon, almost like it's a shit ass book that only a completely Somali-maxxed mutt would actually believe in.
>>533318231So you're implying there simply was no law, no such thing as feeling of what is wrong or right? Go ask a group of school kids if they think this is wrong or right. They haven't spent years studying torah or the talmud but I am pretty sure they would tell you straight ahead what to make of this Jacob character..
>>533318323You're mostly right, but Jacob wasn't pure in desiring God either. His initial desire was more of being transactional with God with "If God does this, then he shall be my God", so it's still self-serving. It's only later that he finally becomes humble through transformation. >>533318569I'm saying humans are imperfect, but it doesn't stop God's grace. This isn't me running defense saying "Jacob was the shit", I'm just pointing out that even through flawed individuals something good can come out of it.
>>533317381This is where the rubber meets the road for a religion. The tires are bald.
>>533318357We know it was God because the scripture says that it was God, angel of God is preincarnate logos, that is the God that people see face to face when Jacob says>30 So Jacob called the name of the place [e]Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”If we are at a point where we question narrative in scripture this is no longer Christianity because you need to read the text with presupposition that it is divinely revealedIf you don't do that, be my guest, but that isn't the mode in which text presents itself
>>533317381>judaismcheating, lying and stealing since 5000 BC
>>533318653I agree with you, but I also think the core is that any relation we have with God and fire towards him is better than being content, and as we know God can purify everything further
>>533318528Or possibly the pedo rapist kike lied about it, as crazy as that sounds
>>533318541>Everyone wants to be a writer these days.>Seems as if the end of the world is fast approaching. How common was writing? Were there like 100 reputable authors at the time or even less people that could be relied apon to not try to Jew the future generations with power grabbing disingenuous influence attempts.
>>533318541It can be interpreted in different ways, and I'm not saying it's all literally true. We can look at it like "Don't treat your kids like shit because they'll remember". Rape victims are NOT treated kindly in this cultural context (treated worse than rapists), so his daughters may have even set him up for divine retribution after he dies, for being raped.
>>533317983It's just a chronicle, man. Not all history is sacred history.>>533318004>Why does his action have zero negative consequencesIt doesn't tho. See this guy's answer >>533318001 the entire lineage is cursed.(Which is why Christ had to be a virgin birth.)
>>533317702Esau was a Godless, racemixing fuckwit who God literally said "he always hated". That's why God said "the older shall serve the younger" and allowed Jacob to take the blessing. Btw, modern jews are of Japheth, not Shem. If you're a white German you have more Israelite blood than them.
>>533318840That's not orthodox phronema, wrestling with God is one of the most important typologies of incarnation. Not surprising that an average Russians understanding of theology is in the gutter though after your communist reign.
>>533318653Yes he was "only" human. But THIS is the guy behind all of this deceit for influence and power that is ravaging in the so called west these days... THIS character is behind the people who imply they have a natural upper hand over all the other people. They say "Of course G*d is with us, our success proves us right" Meanwhile their G*d is this kind of behaviour. Torah is filled with such characters, using forwardthinking and justifying murder of whole civilizations by being chosen people. The whole intention behind the scripture is building a cage of thinking to become a people who do not care about anything but own benefit.
>>533318357>>533318675Put simply: the Christian reading of "wrestled with God" is that Jesus Christ gave Jacob an ass-whooping.
>>533318915Jacob being a scumbag wasn't preordained. You're projecting everything else that happened later onto a simple and unpleasant fact.
>>533318675So he cheats his dieing father of a blessing but were supposed to believe what he made of the whole situation?
>>533319013My guy, Talmudic Judaism is the heretical offshoot of the Torah, and Christianity is the actual fulfillment. Jesus was shitting on the Pharisees (who is the group that would lay down the foundations for the Talmud) for being complete hardened retards that served the devil. Their interprentations and rape of the Torah is insane bullshit.
>>533317381All of Yahweh's Prophets and Patriarchs are evil freaks because Yahweh is Satan
>>533319091Biblically, cheating and deception aren't always wrong. "Thou shalt not lie" is not a commandment.
>>533319026Yeah that's true, in fact it would be more correct to say that every time humans physically interact with God it has always been and always will be logos, the word, Christ, because that is the person proper to divine procession who we have always interacted with starting from Eden.We never interact with the father through anyone but the son because the essence of God is associated with the father and nothing in creation can perceive the essence of God since it is uncreated, outside of time and ontologically above reality. All our interactions with the father have always been through the son as he is the eternal logos.
>>533319013Old Testament histories are much, much closer to Greek tragedy than to anything Jewish.
>>533319148Give an example of a Torah interpretation you think is wrong an explain why rather than just trying to dunk on Jews but putting no effort other than crying heresy.Or tell me a Christian interpretation of why Lot got raped, I'd legitimately be interested.
>>533319091Are you autistic? Do you not understand what I wrote?Any kind of disposition towards God is better than being indifferent, content or sure of yourself. This is one of the reasons why pharisees also fell, because they were certain in their own righteousness not as a gift of grace that you receive in humility and through wrestling with faith but as if it was their preordained exaltation dedicated to them as a nation rather than to God.
>>533319287>Or tell me a Christian interpretation of why Lot got raped, I'd legitimately be interested.There is no "interpretation", that's just the purported origin story of the Moabites and Ammonites.
>>533319287Lot being raped is never portrayed as a good thing. It led to a geneaology of tribes that practiced Baal worship (child sacrifice) in Canaanite lands. Also, you really want to argue that the Talmud of all things is "correct" in the inane Rabbi kvetching it depicts?
>>533319148You're right, but it does always have this heritage engrained. Christian Church also has adapted lots of rites of indo-aryan teachings such as the ones from the avesta (Iranian Religion of Zarathustra) and also plenty of rites like praise of imagery are not of G*d either.
>>533319344Why did God let them do it, when God literally just destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their immorality?
>>533317381Has there ever been theological discussion of the possibility of Jacob and Esau being half-brothers? I'm not sure how long ago the mechanics of twins was known but it could be an interesting discussion either way you take it. Either Esau is the bastard and through loyalty to her husband the mother pushes Isaac's true son as the heir or, more interesting, Esau is Isaac's true son and because of her duplicitousness the mother pushes her bastard son as the heir>>533318288>He didn't want to have sex with his daughtersOf course not, he just got drunk and did it anyway
>>533319542As an Orthodox Christian reading this through the Fathers, Saint John Chrysostom is the key guide. In his 44th Homily on Genesis, he urges caution, since Scripture includes nothing idle. He reads the Lot episode not as a celebration of vice, but as a tragic account of fallen humanity driven to its limit. The daughters are not portrayed as acting from lust, but from terror and confusion after the destruction of Sodom and the apparent loss of all other human life. Lot, too, is shown as a man overcome by grief and drunkenness, unaware of what happens.The point of the passage is not divine approval of incest, which natural law and later Mosaic law condemn. Rather, it reveals the bitter fruit of Lot’s earlier compromise with Sodom, he chose the fertile plain, lingered in the city, and became entangled in its life, he was lukewarm. The cave in the mountains is the final consequence of that choice. The story shows that sin does not remain external, it corrupts the soul, the family, and even the way people think about survival and has inevitable consequences. This of course is connected to Adams sin and our current compromised existence.Yet the passage also carries typological hope. From Moab and Ammon come peoples often opposed to Israel, but from Moab comes Ruth, whose faith brings her into Israel and into the lineage of David, and thus of Christ. What began in shame becomes, by God’s providence, a prelude to mercy. The episode therefore teaches both the gravity of sin and the power of divine redemption, that God through Providence can inevitably fix everything. You also need to understand that as humanity matures Gods revelation becomes stricter towards perfection until incarnation of Christ after which humans are ready to become one with God in communion.
>>533319542Because there was still fallout from what Lot did in the Moabites and Ammonites coming down the road, it just wasn't instaneous for the consequences. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, it was more than just rape that needed to be addressed. The whole thing was systemic abuse on a wide scale of not only rape, but murder, violence, exploitation, homosexuality, etc.
>>533319779The Torah is clear that Lot feared defilement and divine retribution, which is why he was the leadt immoral Sodomite. He offered his daughters to be raped in place of the angels, because he thought God wanted him to. But he was wrong, that was an immoral offering to make, so he was set up to be defiled.In Judaism God does not love angels like he loves Jews, Jews outrank angels. Kind of like how in Christianity Satan as an angel was supposed to bow before Adam.
>>533317602Perez Hilton? who just saw Jesus?
>>533319779It says their mother prefered Jacob because he stayed by the tents and his father liked esau better because he was a hunter. As for your theological question I am not sure.
>>533317381Esau was a faggot so who cares?
>>533320027Not kind of, humans are more important than angels because in proper orthodox Christian theology humans become partakes of God through Christ in a way other creatures can't without incarnation and that was always the intention.
>>533318046what's the deal with circumcisionwhat's the tetragrammatonI wish I were better prepared for such an opportunity. I'll think hard
>>533320171Well Isaac was a man of G*d, G*d was with him so to speak. When you cheat such a relevant person, what does this make you?
>>533319313My friend, didn't Jesus teach not to curse
>>533318004Just because Jacob received the blessing from his father, didn't mean God blessed him right away. He deceived twice, his brother and his father. Likewise when Jacob went to find his wife, Laban deceives him twice. 7 years for each wife he had to work, and 6 years for the cattle totaling 20 years of servitude. Only after wrestling the angel after all of this, does he receive God's blessing finally
>>533320356A fulfiller of prophecy. Before the two brothers were even born, God told Rebekah "the older shall serve the younger"
>>533319830Thank you for this high effort reply.That is a good interpretation and it makes sense. If I understand correctly, God did not kill the daughters because he took pity on them for being desparate and confused.In the more Jewish interpretation I shared, God lets them live presumably because he took pity on them for being deeply wounded by betrayal.Is it really that different? The corruption of Lot's family exists in both interpretations, and so do many of the same lessons.There is some common ground between Judaism and Christianity.
>>533318288https://vocaroo.com/1m6TFp16PDQ8
>>533320336>what's the deal with circumcisionRemoves a lot of sexual pleasure to facilitate Torah study. Removes the main pleasure centers of the penis because man is only meant to enjoy sex a bit, not too much.
The OT is one giant cope for a tribe who constantly got their shit pushed in by the bigger empires around them, like some ancient Poland.Esau is the jock, like the big empires, and Jacob is the nerd, like the Hebrews. They take pride in being a scheming, conniving nerd who gets one over on the jock.
>>533320194OK, but that's really similar to Judaism's take on it too.
>>533320693If the OT was one big cope, it wouldn't depict the Jews in such a poor light. Their failures and retardation is depicted time and time again that constantly leads them to getting assblasted by other moving pieces. It's a surprisingly honest portrayal for a supposed text that has a (once) chosen race.
>>533317602>>533317508>>533317381wtf is op talking aboutjacob and esau were brothersand esau was a race mixer who mixed with canaanites>And Esau was a designing and deceitful man, one who hunted after the hearts of men and inveigled them, and Esau was a valiant man in the field, and in the course of time went as usual to hunt; and he came as far as the field of Seir, the same is Edom.>I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, ‘How have you loved us?’ ‘Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?’ the LORD says. ‘Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.>And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.>Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him and directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women.">Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite: Which were a agrief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.>Esau marries Hittite (Canaanite) wives to the sorrow of his parents.
>>533320909That's part of the cope.They invent a big mean daddy god to protect them from the big empires, like a schoolyard nerd claiming his daddy is gonna come and beat up the bullies. But, this dad never actually shows up (obviously).So they cope by saying they behaved badly, that must be why daddy never showed up and they got beat up anyway.
>>533320336Circumcision was typological of how old humanity and old covenant was circumstantial and debased compared to new covenant in Christ. Old covenant was literally tied to blood itself as a symbol of how humanity was cut off from Gods intended image into a state where even if lived a righteous life it was impossible to restore ones state into correct disposition with God. Cutting away out front flesh of your penis, as a patriarch (every man is patriarch of his family and his blood), is your personal blood/life sacrifice to God and a promise that you promise all of your generations/your seed to God, you dedicate your whole reproduction to God with hope that eventually one day he will come and save your descendants because you have no chance of true salvation at the moment. Christ took in entire human nature in Christ we genuinely changed and no longer need to be debased and chained to ground, now we can be properly on our path of becoming like God in his image as he intended for us. In the person of Christ all covenants and all law of fulfilled, he is literally divine law himself and he is also personally the new Adam thus when we participate in Christ through him participate in new humanity and a new covenant with God not reliant on future promise and fear of calamities and retribution.Tetragrammaton is what describes Gods nature, especially in relation to creation, as much as human speech can. God is, his being is self propelled, his being is outside of time not reliant on prior cause for himself because he is uncaused, his existence is before/prior/larger than all of existence and all of time together. On the other hand everything else that exists is sequential and contingent on what came prior, nothing else simply is because anything else is being itself in itself.
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>>533320966>>533321040
>>533320966The Rabbis say that Jesus is a reincarnation of Esau. They hate Jesus and Esau identically and believe they are the same person.
>>533320545You're right. And in the same way he hardened the heart of pharaoh to not let them leave egypt before they did. we are not to question wich part of scripture is part of truth and wich is part of fiction.
>>533320908Yes because Judaism is mostly correct in many things, even a lot of intuition of certain mystical kabbalistic practices is correct in intuition but not in execution.That is because without incarnation you end up in pseudo-gnostic emanations or similar cosmology.
>>533321037>On the other hand everything else that exists is sequential and contingent on what came prior...This isn't what modern science shows. Einstein's theories, which have mathematical and empirical support, show that effects are just as contingent on their causes as causes are on their effects.The flow of time and the submission of effect to cause are animal experiences. They don't correspond 1:1 with reality, and if they did, modern technology that takes relativity into account would not work.
>>533321078Written by Charles a. Weisman
>>533321032I'm pretty sure God was constantly fed up with their shit because they were doing things that obviously shouldn't be done. Your argument is coming from a place of saying this is a deluded people (which they were mostly), but if that's the case then how exactly do they have the self-awareness to charge themselves with their obviously wrong crimes? The personality profile you're trying to paint would be of a crybully that would be the last group of people to realize what they did wrong.
>>533321214which means what?>The surname Weiman has primarily German roots, often originating as an Americanized form of Weimann, meaning a person from Weimar, Germany
>>533320966Did I imply anything else?King David was a "race mixer" too.And he is one of the most prestigious characters of israeli lore...
>>533320048It just seems like with how they're described as being so different i would make sense within the story for them to be half-brothers
>>533321140I could just as easily turn thst around and say Christianity is mostly correct in many things, but if you add the Trinity, you no longer have pure monotheism. Note, please don't take anything I say personally, this is just a very enjoysble debate to me. I don't purport to know what's true and what's not.
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>>533321426That is a jewish name. Look up wp on jewish names, ashkenazi jewish names are often created by adding 2 german words together ...stein ....berg ....mann ....zweig ....bach ....baum ...sohn or the amricanzied equivalent
>>533321337My argument is historical and literary. I'm not acknowledging that any of this semitic mythology is actually real.
>>533317602This is too much. I thought I knew all the stories by now WTF
>>533321119God hardens your heart when you want nothing to do with him, because that's what you want. Pharaoh decided for himself he wasn't going to let them leave.
>>533321426WeiSman you troglodyte. Although some unfortunate Germans carry that name it is historically very typically jiddish.
>>533321119Maybe we should question why scum like you aren't allowed to say God's name?
>>533321186This is not in relation to understanding of general relativity or quantum effects, because you are taking my simple basic syllogistic explanation into a non linguistic/logic context. For your context the idea is that God and his being exist outside of the general field that would encompass the universe, he would not fit into the energy/matter paradigm if universe is ultimately a closed system.He exists in a state completely outside of conventional existence and for his point of view he is able to interact with time in an eternal mode of existence that is to say his omniscience comes from his state of existence compared to our reality, I can refer to church fathers who elaborate on this but it is important to understand that his mode of being is wholly independent from the rest of existence.
>>533321842Perhaps, I softened my heart / from where I was before.. but I am still in so much anger about all that's been going on recently. Hope you understand
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>>533317381Cope? We learn from this.
>>533317381The Ashkenazim are Khazars, not Hebrews.
>>533320515Christ literally didn't teach that.
>>533321699If I have time I'll try to write down my opinion, but in short if you have a cosmology that has emanations it is extremely close to pantheism or animism in relation to how matter and God interact, and if we have some kind of monadic pantheism Teleology becomes very problematic to a point that it can be argued that information becomes arbitrary and all relative.This is all sounding like shizobabble but I can elaborate if I have time on my opinion.
>>533321490David was a mutt himself. His grandparents were Ruth (full goy) and Boaz (half goy).Not to mention, the mixed multitude (erav rav) that came out of Egypt with them in the beginning. The entire nation was mutted with Egyptian blood from the beginning.
>>533318004Jacob spent 7 years as a slave to get the wife he wanted only for the father to give him the daughter Jacob didn't want. Jacob then had to work 5 more years as a slave to finally get the wife he actually wanted to be with.
>>533320515Didn't he literally curse a tree for not producing fruit when it wasn't the season for producing fruit?
Maybe we should all strive for divine harmony but that won't work for as long as one does not want to comply to G*ds will... that is the reason for all of suffering.
>>533318004>>533321759
>>533319542God generally speaking doesn't micromanage and lets people commit mistakes, except in some isolated civilization-threatening circumstances.
>>533322156Matthew 5,22
>>533322278It's God, not G*d. One of you clearly hates the other
>>533317381The story comes from Enkidu and Gilgamesh. Remember, Esau was the man completely covered in hair.>"Away from the richness of the earth, away from the dew of heaven" (Gen 27:39)Most of them live underground, but the Idumeans (modern jews) have that blood in them.
>>533317381Why is every sandnigger religion has child rape and cuckoldry.
>>533321977Another good reply, you are literally my only actual competition here...but we're back to Judaism again. Orthodoxy has LOTS of parallels to Judaism as you noted. I can't even argue against your points, all I can do is just say they're roughly aligned with Judaism.
>>533318004Jacon fairly traded for Esau's firstborn inheritance (? idk the word in english) during the soup incident when they were teens so it's not really a scam.
>>533322247The concept of "goy" didn't exist back then.Also, "Moses" is a Egyptian name and Moses was legit Egyptian aristocracy, with all that implies.
>>533318055I 'member
>>533322529>fairly
>>533322266Which is another stupid story. He should've known how his people have require older sisters to marry before younger sisters. Unless it is just something his uncle made up to fuck with him
>>533322473You should read some Greek and Roman religion texts, you're in for a shock.
>>533322725Yeah>I want some soup>Ok give me your firstborn status>Ok sure lol
Wait so even in the old testament the God's chosen were led by fucking muttoid "goys" Fucking kek.
>>533322585"Thou shalt not rape" isn't a commandment. Rape victims were not sympathized with at the time, at all, and being a rapist was seen as less bad than being a rape victim. Brutal times.
>>533322793So I'm sure what's happening to Europe is more than fair
>>533322488We believe that orthodox Christianity is continuation of temple Judaism, our liturgy is typologically based on trying to symbolically take a Judaic temple ritual and then trying to fulfill it through our understanding of Christ. For example our divine liturgy/mass is based on the temple sacrifice with same sequence of events that involve things be it sacrifice or sprinkling of blood etc but replaced with Christ himself in place of sacrifice.
>>533322835Thou shalt not steal. That includes stealing away a man's daughter, but I'm sure you have a technicality that cancels that out
>>533317381I keep explaining. My golems, I will explain even though you are villagers from minecraft that cannot comprehend what I am saying. We will redact what we please. Including your people. Diversity is our strength. We need to segregate ourselves from filth like you. You and the blend of other nations are not like us. You are a goy. Cattle. We are G-ds chosen people. Its stated in the Bible, go look it up. Educate yourself on who gave birthrights to? It was given to Jacob not Easu! This is land is OUR land. Sing it with me. From California, to the New York Islands goy! You are the calf we barely keep alive and milk, ripe for the taking! I dont care if its based out of deceit. Blessed birthright is bless birthright. Which our people have! It is embedded in our language & in our books. We segregate our kind from yours because you are not like us. Cattle are animals that have no rights. What right? If you are not jewish, you are considered a beast. We are the humans! You are not! Do you shed a tear for chickens that get genocided because of avian flu? Do you mourn the deaths of cows in the slaughterhouse when you are eating your porterhouse steak? Of course not! I will not cry for your bitch ass! I will cry in pain when I slice your throat like the cattle you are! You are the chicken I grab by the ankles you stupid goy! A jew can take (not steal), have sexo (no consent, rape cannot be defined when you are beast) and slaughter (not murder) said beasts because you are cattle with no human rights. Am Yisrael chai! Always remind me of NPCs like you. Dumb goyim never get it. We explain & explain. Snip the tips of your benis and brand you goy like an owned animal. Do you not know this higher than you mentality? Nephesh Chayyah, you do not have. Beasts you are! With no souls! Die goyim! You dont even know the hate I have for you. Too dumb to know! Cant wait for you christians to die! Standard issue! Golden Sig P320/M7 will sit proudly next to the Golden Pager!
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>>533322247Is this jew's zutt moment? Their greatest kings and holy bloodline are actual goys larping as "god's chosen"
>>533322215Please do elaborate I'd be happy to read it.
>>533321040https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMaf8jIYgzIThere's a reason just about every country in the world has stories about hairy men that are there one minute and gone the next.
>>533317602Oh that’s the story black churches use to say it’s ok to knock up prostitutes but “you gotta cum in dat bitch” heard it right from a pastor in Atlanta. That’s from Genesis, and the brother did attempt to do his duty and fuck his sister in law after his brother’s death, but he pulled out and so God himself struck him down and killed him. Aka He’s the “guy whose pullout game so strong God had to smite his ass.”Also the father was going to have the girl killed for being a prostitute even though he had gone to see a prostitute himself, women could be killed for it. And when she proved he’s the one that knocked her up, he was all like welcome home! Nothing to see here everyone. No stoning the whore today Im afraid, I’ll be tapping this one again tonight.At least that’s how black churches tell it.African Americans have such a colorful interpretation of the word of God. Surely no one would find it rude or disrespectful.
>>533322386He turned their mom into a pillar of salt, anon. Maybe sent her to Hell as well.
>>533322950Oh my!Toxic masculinity and internalized misogyny galore! Very problematic.
>>533322848Europe betrayed Hitler (its last savior) so yeah. Germans accepted decades of split imperialism by USA and Soviets instead of bringing the whole Germany down with them. Half of Italy betrated Mussolini by 1943. Spain cucked out of the war. France welcomed the USA with open arms. And Engl*nd fought Hitler and Europe since day 1. We are being punished by God for our behavior towards Hitler.
>>533322529>nice, brother, you've got my dinner ready>ha, yes, but first trade me your birthright for it>look I've had a long day, can we not do your shit todayVery fair>>533322835Yes, it is, the one translated to English "do not steal" is among Jews seen as "do not kidnap" meaning/including rape
>>533323041>And when she proved he’s the one that knocked her up, he was all like welcome home! Nothing to see here everyone.Lol'd
Literal 1/4 jew muttoid made jews cut their dicks for several millenia you actually can't make this shit up lmao
>>533323122No take-backsies! Your bloodline is cursed forever but not mine hehehehe
>>533322917It's really more academic to me. I don't believe any of it. The reply would be that humans belong to God, so if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK". there's no stealing involved because God owns everyone. God consented, so the victim's consent doesn't matter.Again I'm not saying I agree with it, don't get it wrong.
>>533323086She was turned into a pillar by whatever mechanism destroyed Sodom, not literally by God.Also, there is no such thing as "Hell" in Christianity.
>>533323280>if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK". there's no stealing involvedLiterally stopped reading there. Nice try, jewrat cunt
>>533321803You didn't know the guy and his three sons story? Its a real stupid one. Its especially good because it has been used wrong, people have called masturbation "the sin of Onan" or "onanism" from the "spilled his seed on the ground" line BUT that isn't about masturbation, its about pulling out. And its about pulling out for a specific reason, it was his responsibility to impregnate his brother's widow to produce an heir for him but he wanted any sons he produced to be considered his so he pulled out.It might be the earliest known description of pulling out but I'm no expert on ancient writings so there might be another one, it is certainly among the earliest descriptions of pulling out
>>533323301So where does the weeping and gnashing of teeth happen?
>>533323301>Also, there is no such thing as "Hell" in Christianity.There is the risk of a lousy afterlife, that is what I meant by Hell. It doesn't need to be Dante's Inferno.
>>533323411That I knew, but I didn't know Judah walked the streets at night according to his own descendants
>>533323478>>533323425Technically the real afterlife will only be after the Second Coming and Resurrection.
>>533323356I didn't say I agreed with it, I specified I don't. It's the mark of a fool who can't understand the concept of elucidating concepts you don't actually agree with.
>>533318004>cheat to get what you wantIts the fundamental thesis of the entire jewish religion
>>533323579OK, so what do you think about Muhammad being God's prophet, Mr elucidator? And the fact that he said words that no human being could have knowledge of?
>>533323579>>533323698Or does entertaining shit you don't agree with only work when you're suggesting that God commands rape?
>>533317381To Jews, Esau represents gentiles and the struggle between the two of them represents the relationship between Jews and gentiles.
>>533322990Certain kabbalistic descriptions of the Sephirot can appear to blur the boundary between the uncreated God and the created order. If the divine life is mapped as a chain of emanations that unfold into the world with such intimacy that each level becomes a quasi-divine mode, ofGod begins to look less like the transcendent, personal Lord who freely creates and reveals, and more like an impersonal metaphysical process; second, the world itself can begin to look animated by divine forces in a way that borders on animism. In that case, creatures do not simply receive life from God, they seem to participate in divinity as though divinity were diffused through them by essence.This creates a problem for teleology and epistemology. Teleology becomes unstable because the meaning of beings no longer rests clearly in God’s free intention and logoi, but in a symbolic ladder of powers whose relations can feel elastic and relativistic rather than determinate. Epistemology also becomes fragile, because if God is approached chiefly through emanative symbols rather than personal revelation, then knowledge of God risks becoming a process of interpreting an impersonal process rather than interaction with a personal being. The greater danger is that God ceases to be known as “Thou” and becomes a sacred structure, an impersonal depth, or a metaphysical vocabulary for the order of the world itself.Orthodoxy insists that divine revelation must preserve both communion and distinction. God truly acts in history, yet His essence remains beyond all created essence. The proper bridge between God and man is therefore the Logos, the eternal Word through whom all things were made, and who in the Incarnation unites divine and human without confusion, change, division, or separation. In Christ, God does not merely emanate into the world, his personhood enters it but assumes human essence to operate in. I will need more time to explain how Orthodoxy is different.
>>533323738Nobody cares what rabbinical Judaists think, it's an ancient aliens tier schizo nu-age religion.
>>533323738>larp as the gentile>steal what he is owned>demand everything>give jackshitMan it fucking speaks about their character a lot doesn't it.
>>533323560Yes, correct.Western theology spiritualizes it too much, out current state even after death is just a pretaste.After eschaton reality will change into an edenic state, there will be general resurrection of all humans and future world will be spiritual and material visibly at the same time, deified Christ after transfiguration is the example of how humanity will be.
>>5333239540.2 of the globe owning 73% of the world corporations do.
>>533323726Yeah, every woman in a Sultan's harem has the right to say no to the Sultan. Give me a break.
>>533324094>>larp as the gentileThat's an interesting point. They think Rome is Esav, but their patriarch impersonated Esav
>>533323911Also fuck word limits, I constantly have to trim what I have to say.
>>533324178Those straight up continue worshiping Baals and Astartes just like their ancestors did.
>>533317381By trying to wipe us out??They're scared we will throw off our yoke and rule over the world again as is our divine birthright
>>533324279And God aparently content with them raping the planet.
>>533324210I asked a very simple question, cocksuckerAnd the Sultan has nothing to do with scumbags like you. Solomon had 1000 girls in his harem, and half of them were pagans according to your book
>>533324250I'd take the hint if I were youEven the system can't read all your shit lol
>>533323911Beautiful post, strong rebuttal. You're way more invested in the argument than me and have put in a lot more effort.My counterpoint is basically, God seems more like a metaphysical process than a Thou. This world looks way more like a creation of the first one than the second one. But looks can be deceiving so my counterpoint is admittedly weak.Basically, you got me, good work. Wasn't expecting someone literate to be here.
>>533318900>taking genesis literallyShiggy
>>533324324And apparently so are we, since we aren't doing shit.
>>533317381He trusted the plan and overcame God and man.
>>533324390Ultimately chans were never intended for long form content, it's an anime imageboard at the end of the day for quick banter. I understand my limitations here, always have.
>>533324469>Wasn't expecting someone literate to be here.Damn dude. You're really good at sucking dick
>>533320966>>533321040>>533321078>>533321426>
>>533324345>I'm angry. Ree!IDC lol. The Christian was able to actually debate me and win, you're just impotently raging.
>>533324567>The Christian was able to actually debate me and win,What an accomplishment. Too bad you think he deserves death for only worshipping one jew instead of every jew
>>533324512Damn dude, you're really good at making yourself look stupid.
>>533324657I literally said I don't believe any of this, idiot. It's about logic, you wouldn't understand.
>>533324686Yeah, I'm the one who looks stupid here and not the rape advocate jewrat
>>533323738>Esau represents gentiles
>>533324751Denounce the Talmud
>>533324469I have to run now, take care of kids but this was very pleasant. There are a lot of smart people on here and honestly anywhere on the internet it is just that the ratio is skewed same as irl towards retards.As a small final point, which might sound way less philosophical and almost naive, but the reason why I think God is personal is simply because in my opinion God told me and everyone in his word to us that he is a personal being, with a Telos for us. God bless you either way, hope you find your way to what you believe is truth.
>>533324805What do I get in exchange?
>>533324900I'll take that as a "no"
>>533321214Everytime you even mention Esau, Edom or Amalek, an Amerimutt shows up to try to poison the well and shill either (((Flavius Josephus))), (((Benjamin H. Freedman))) or (((Charles A. Weisman)))
>>533324967It's not. You're ordering me around, and I'm telling you if I submit to your order I expect something in exchange. I'm not your bitch, if I work for you I'm getting paid one way or another. Pretty simple, like you.
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>>533324786Not knowing this is the definition of being bluepilled
>>533325224Nice AI slop
>>533324786but hey, at least you posted a frog, and that's what we're all about, amirite?
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>>533325239>>533325352>>533325425idc what some lying jew says.gentiles are the descendants of Japheth.the descendants of Shem converted to Christianity and the descendants of Japheth are crafted into it like Noah prophecied.those rats are outside, the offspring of Ham.
>>533325545>idc what some lying jew says>WE WUZ DA REAL JEWS>RABBI YESHUHUA IS MY SAVIOUR AND THE KING (OF THE JEWS)
>>533325744retard.
If there's one thing the Jews don't want you to know about, this is it
>>533317381The story makes no sense and has no relevance to anything, like most of the Bible.
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>>533326026Yeah..
The Jew fears Esau's Blessing
>>533318046>OrthodoxInteresting, what do you think of the Council of Florence(1445)?Catholics claim that since the Orthodox signed it, it's valid, while the Eastern Orthodox claim that they were under intense pressure from the Ottomans and they needed to sign in order to receive military aid from the West and once they got back home they repented of having signed it.I understand the Catholic claim that once you sign, you've signed and you're for all intents and purposes bound by Catholic doctrine from that point. Thoughts?
>>533318004The Commandments didn’t exist yet at that point in the Biblical timeline. There literally wasn’t any law from God for him to break.
>>533326093Unfortunately, without the presence of a Nationalist state, all I can do is wallow in how different things could've been.
>>533326423First of all this isn't a jew. Jews or judeans come from judea of the tribe of Judah which is one of the twelve tribes. I doubt that this person is from the tribe of Judah at all. If you can prove that he is maybe we'll settle on calling him a jew. Maybe.
You guys are the most bluepilled turboffaggots /pol/ has ever seenIt's not even funny anymore It's just sad
>>533326800Don't cry because It's overSmile because it happened
>>533326093Destroying pagan temples was part and parcel of the ancient world. You would destroy the altars and shrines, build your own, and steal the gods and their vessels and put them in yours.
>>533317602His daughter in law turned into a prostitute for a day after her husband and brother in law died. Judah was the 3rd guy she ever had sex with. I can't help but wonder if they were role playing being strangers the whole time. All because she didn't want to wait for her other brother in law to grow up. Cuckholding is very Jewish.
>>533317702yeah its isaac, the guy who buys the 3yo child sex slave>>533317508youre thinking of the jewish orpheus, Lot and his wife, lot impregnating his daughters.wtf how is this site still trash range banning my house
>>533327361Christians didn't do that. They didn't syncretise or add, they whole replaced and not just the gods, but society as a whole.
>>533328565Yeah, that's why they use the symbols, art styles, architecture, and philosophy of the pagans.>>533327626The story might have been written as a way to justify the demand for Levirate marriage by impregnating your daughter-in-law instead of handing over one of your other sons who would be more valuable for political marriages.
>>533325965Mein Freund, das ganze "Dritte Reich" war eine Psy-op cover up für die Gründung des Staates Israel. So auch die sog. "Nazis" nichts weiter als ein Instrument, verschiedene Ziele wurden verfolgt. Unter anderem auch die Zerstörung des Einflusses der Reste Römischen Reiches.Deutschland, ja die Idee Deutsch zu sein ist an sich Sinnlos, weil die Republik ja erst kurz vor dem ersten Weltkrieg ausgerufen worden ist... Sie brauchten 2 Ansätze, damit es gelang. Jetzt schöpfen sie noch den Reichtum ab, lüften langsam den Schleier und hetzen uns dann (wieder) gegeneinander auf. Nach dem Motto...Ihr hasst uns? Dann zerfleischt euch doch.
>>533328565christianity is a syncretization of every culture known to jews at the time. you can see bits and pieces of things from all over their known world, it just takes place in the jewish literary universe, and is primarily about affirming jewish chosenness.wouldve been cool to see what they could have tried to do with it if they werent trying to prop up jews on a pedestal, but they just ended up denaturing the things they borrowed, making them worse in every way. so you can just go practice literally any pagan religion and find the superior, less jewish form
LOL how did this Jewish schizophrenia come to supplant the native faiths of Europe?
>>533318720At least you don't deny it.
>>533325545>disputes that jews say Esau represents gentiles>is shown it is true>well I don't careFuck off>Japheth>Shem>Noah>HamThose aren't real people, they're fictional characters. And like Esau and Jacob they're fictional brothers. Do you know what brothers are?
>>533329112state sponsorship. shoehorning jew worship. using the state to destroy one's own culture, same way they do it now. tax exemptions for jewish christians and nobody else. nobody else is allowed to build temples because the native peoples are poor. pajeets can, because jews are giving them huge stacks of jewish money to come here. to even buy the supplies you need to pay in jewish money, which can only be earned by slaving away for jews, or poisoning your own people with drugs. its been 2000 years, the damage is done. very likely wont be able to fix the problems jews have introduced
>>533328978>Mein Freund, das ganze "Dritte Reich" war eine Psy-op cover up für die Gründung des Staates Israel. So auch die sog. "Nazis" nichts weiter als ein Instrument, verschiedene Ziele wurden verfolgt. Unter anderem auch die Zerstörung des Einflusses der Reste Römischen Reiches.Deutschland, ja die Idee Deutsch zu sein ist an sich Sinnlos, weil die Republik ja erst kurz vor dem ersten Weltkrieg ausgerufen worden ist... Sie brauchten 2 Ansätze, damit es gelang. Jetzt schöpfen sie noch den Reichtum ab, lüften langsam den Schleier und hetzen uns dann (wieder) gegeneinander auf. Nach dem Motto...Ihr hasst uns? Dann zerfleischt euch doch.
>>533318004Wtf are you talking about. That's Esau the race mixer being coached by his mother
>>533329506Wie wäre es wenn (Du) mal deine Nase in ein Geschichtsbuch stecken würdest. Es ist alles Fake, ein Popanz, der Millionen von unschuldigen Zivilisten das Leben gekostet hat.
>Jew switching IPsK
>>533317602People die for this shit
>>533320966Luckily we know Hittites spoke European language and are whiter than any Jew babble you suck off faggot
>>533329871Dann glaub doch an was (du) willst. Und mach dich zum Knecht derjenigen welche du zu hassen meinst.
>>533319148Catholic Ecumenical council = Talmud rabbi debate aka made up shit. Kill yourself
>>533317381There's no letter "J" in the greek alphabet, but you're somewhat correct. Yakub was the progenitor of the white devil race which he created in an agarthan CRISPR lab. The people who currently say they are Iudeans, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan, are actually direct descendants of edom/esau
>>533321759Woah almost everything in it is incorrect or flat out wrong. Is this the best 4chinners fedoras can do?>almost all middle-easterns marry their cousins, fact. In this case they were 2nd cousins. Isaac didn't rape her (she couldn't wait to go meet her future husband) and she wasn't a kid at all. We don't know exactly her age but she was old enough to do women housework like going out to the well to pick up water.>Jacob didn't hate his brother. It was his mother who decided that he should be the one to receive the primogeniture's blessing because he was her favourite son>true>again, Rachel was old enough to work, tending to her father's flock>polygamy was normal and, last I checked, based>same points as above>nowhere it is said it was a "giant" Philistine with a "giant dick". Anon is a fag obsessed with dicks.>Jacob wrestled with a angel and he was the one who renamed him Israel
>>533330057originally yes, but hittites quickly mixed with canaanites >Hittites and Canaanites mixed through cultural interaction, migration, and political alignment, particularly in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1500–1200 BC) and early Iron Age. While the Hittites were a dominant empire in Anatolia, groups likely linked to them or "Syro-Hittite" successor states existed within Canaan
>>533330653which is what jews are btw
https://youtu.be/9r83ZRissyw?is=-jL5DkiyXJkkcFQo
>>533317508it was the other way around, cuck. Daughters spiked his drink and took turns raping him.There's a reason why ancient societies treated their women like property, and they were damn well right to do so.
>>533317983Love that god is so arbitrary when he decides who is worthy of his word.When Cain tried that shit, god exiled and marked him for all to see.
Don't let the IDF slide this thread
>>533331968No, Cain was also lukewarm.Abel offered literally the best thing that a human in a hunter gatherer society can, the most valuable, fattest livestock he could get. Cain offered expendable and regrowable crops from ground that have value only in volume.Then he got buttmad and murdered Abel because Abel was more devoted.
>>533333663I know it is scary, when something seems so simple. The people of israel will not disappear when accepting the Messiah's sacrifice. He took it all on himself in order of complete salvation. Don't hijack this thread trying to lead the people astray. Truth will win, you will not disappear when you allow Christ into your heart, my friend.
Also for everyone concerned about true reason for attacks on iran, check out Mazdeism -> for everyone that is lurking here from the mothership... shabbat shalom
In Judaism the god Satan is the enemy of Yahweh, the god of the Jews. The Hebrew name ‘Satan’ literally means Enemy, the Adversary, the Accuser etc. It is useful to think of Satan as the god of the Gentiles. According to the Jews Yahweh is the one true god and all the pagan gods of the Gentiles are false gods, idols. Collectively, all the heathen gods of the Gentiles could be described as ‘Satanic’ i.e. enemies of Yahweh and the Jewish people. This metaphysical dualism was inherited by the Jews disciples the Christians, who portrayed as ‘Satanic’ evil and demonic all the pagan gods of their enemies that they forcibly converted to Christianity or killed. The god of the Jews and the son of God Jesus became the only true God, and Jesus Christ’s enemy Satan the god that all the Pagans worshipped (including the Jews themselves, which creates the absurdity of the Jews being described as worshipping Satan, an absurdity that continues to this day. It is not Satan that the Jews worship but Yahweh!).To put things into proper perspective before the ‘transvaluation of values’ done by the Judeo-Christians, the Ancient World was pagan and polytheistic and the Jews cut themselves off from the people around them. They not only saw themselves as unique and the rest of mankind as goyim, but metaphysically they viewed themselves as having knowledge of the one true god, a monotheistic god whose chosen people they were, in contrast to the false polytheistic gods of the pagan goyim around them, who their god YHWH-JHVH had given them dominion over
Of all the Satan’s (i.e. enemies) that the Jews have ever faced, the greatest was Adolf Hitler. Moreover, just as Satan represents the Gods of the pagan Gentiles as a collective, it is the Gods of the Nordic-Aryan race who represent the biggest enemy of Yahweh and his children. Many have spoken about Hitler being an avatar of the Germanic god Wotan. To the Jews Wotan would be the same figure as Satan. So while Esoteric Hitlerists can talk about Hitler being an Avatar of Wotan, we could also say Hitler was an Avatar of Satan, the enemy of the Jews. For us Aryans, Yahweh, who doesn’t exist, can be viewed as the negative force that possesses the collective unconscious of the Jews while Satan can be viewed as the positive force that represents the collective unconscious of the Aryan race. The Judaized Christians in WN who say that Satan is the god of the Jews and Adolf Hitler is a good Christian man truly have things the wrong way round, brainwashed victims of the inversion of values that the Jews have brought into the world with Christianity.Also, to look at things through the false perspective of the Christians, Adolf Hitler is The Anti-Christ, or at least an Antichrist figure, as He is the polar opposite of Jesus Christ. National Socialism is the polar opposite of Christianity. The Swastika symbolizes the opposite value system to that of the Crucifix. The morality of the Hitler and the Swastika is as Nietzschean morality system, basically one where the Christian Evil is recognized as what is actually Good, and the Christian ‘good’ recognized as that which is evil and harmful to the Aryan race. “And whoever wants to be a creator in good and evil, must first be an annihilator and break values. Thus the highest evil belongs to the greatest goodness: but this is—being creative.” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, II, 34.)
>>533330704>The name "Canaanites" is attested, many centuries later, as the endonym of the people later known to the Ancient Greeks from c. 500 BC as PhoeniciansPhoenicia was a big place. jews we wuzzed as phoenicians. theyre kalergi mutted peoples, like you said. phoenicians circumcised when living amongst themselves, but didnt circumcise when living with other peoples. the phoenicians invented the first alphabet. jews, obviously, did not invent the first alphabet. jews were the useful idiots who fell for a phoenician real estate scam to grab hold of that key trading nexus between three continents in Palestine. the people who wrote the original bible and knew it was fake and gay, may be phoenician. the people who started practicing the fake and gay religion inside the bible around the 2nd century bce, and then later wrote the new testament, those were jews.but if there are people 5d chessing jews across these past 2000 years, then im certainly not seeing them. i think they died out, and the knowledge of torah's fake and gayness with them. i think that is what the hiram abiff masonic myth is supposed to symbolize. the masons are jews and other abrahamics attempting to figure it out, and they seem ti have landed somewhere around Amun worship. a singular god manifesting as all the other gods, which is really just Amun-YHWH. masonic scholarship has really took a nosedive, once they hand over their money supplies to jews, theyre basically moot. so masonic scholarship is still stuck in the early 20th century, we wuz poos and all of that fake 'Aryan' faggotry where everyone was a pajeet, or studying under pajeets, and jews (sometimes called calcheans, or phyrigians) were teaching everyone from the druids in england to the chinese. basically they lost the plot, and fell for it again.
>>533317381https://youtu.be/-Fp7w3Jy3yk
It is also important that Nietzsche acted, through his character Zarathustra, as the Prophet of the Superman. He saw that his own people-Europeans, but more especially Germans, were in the process of becoming supermen and correctly stated the Superman would arise out of them. Arise he did in the form of the annihilator of Christianity and the creator of the New Order Adolf Hitler. It is also noteworthy that Nietzsche proclaimed himself as The Antichrist. As Nietzsche wrote in Ecce Homo: “You highest men whom my eyes have seen, this is my doubt about you and my secret laughter: I guess that you would call my overman—devil.”How accurately that describes the Western Christian civilization in its modern (and final) stage. Hitler, the Superman, the Antichrist, is branded as the most evil man who ever lived for overcoming Christian values on a large scale.
>>533318231>Gods eternal law>It hadnt came into existence yet>Also its written on your heart!Hahaha jew worshippers stay losing
>>533319203>All liars will have their place in the lake of fire
Neon Genesis Evangelion could be considered the most Nietzschean anime out there, sadly the core concept behind the series is often completely overshadowed by the amazing plot, animation and music throughout the whole thing. Many wrongly think that the Christian symbolism found in the series, ranging from its title to the usage of crucifixes and biblical names, is just there because it may sound cool or interesting.Christianity is based on the idea of salvation, that the world one day will come to an anticipated end brought by God and that our souls will finally be free from this mundane existence and be united with him for eternity. Evangelion on the other hand had a very similar idea in the form of "The Human Instrumentality Project", that the world one day will come to a manufactured end through the "Third Impact" brought by an almost mythical organization known as "SEELE" and that all the souls will be free from their lonely and painful existence and be united together in complete peace and harmony for eternity. A lot of us know right now that the Christian idea of salvation along with many other aspects of the Abrahamic religions are false, but Evangelion decided to treat the idea as a reality and explore its implications.
>>533321101Every accusation is a confession.
After a long eventful plot The Human Instrumentality Project does become a reality through Shinji Ikari, who after experiencing this new mode of purely spiritual existence, sees it for what it is—nihilism. Both in the anime and the original manga Shinji realizes that the real suffering he had to endure throughout his life will always be better than a manufactured reality where no one and nothing exists, where no events good or bad ever occur, where nothingness prevails. Shinji then decides to end the project and return to a destroyed and ravaged world.In the anime he admits that he doesn't know where happiness lies anymore and then it ends with him facing his own continued suffering in the form of "patheticness" as Asuka puts it, while in the manga he is reborn in a slightly altered reality where the Human Instrumentality Project never existed and then it ends with a monologue by Shinji about how suffering is his only path to achieving anything worthwhile in life.In the end, through a lot of beautiful Christian symbolism and a magnificent plot, the series followed the Nietzschean concept where there is no deus ex machina, where divine and supernatural salvation are an impossibility, and most importantly, where only man can save himself and turn it into something better and higher through his own work and suffering in this world.https://youtu.be/PNDs2dwyZcQhttps://archive.org/details/MitchellHeismanSuicideNote
>>533328978Quatsch. The connections between Jews and Nazis are so flimsy that even the ones looking hard for them can't find anything beyond the Havara agreement, Warburgs inserting themselves with money, and a secret feeemason tricking the Thule society into adopting his occultist drivel long before Hitler was even a name on peoples' minds.Oh and Nietzsche.
>>533330397Lol lay off the copium>>almost all middle-easterns marry their cousins, factCope. Call them what they are: inbred Israelites >Jacob didn't hate his brotherHe just cheated him out of his birthright because he loved him so much>Rachel was old enough to workWas she 18? If she wasn't 18 he's a PEDOPHILE. You're the ones who started using this stupid argument, so enjoy being on the receiving end with all your inbred pedo patriarchs>polygamy was normal and, last I checked, basedOnly when you jewish masters do it tho*. Muslims that revere Jesus need not apply*>nowhere it is said it was a "giant" Philistine with a "giant dick". Anon is a fag obsessed with dicks.It was a pagan nonetheless. Minor detail, so keep arguing about who raped Israel's daughter LMAO >>Jacob wrestled with a angel and he was the one who renamed him IsraelYeah, I wrestle with angels every night too lol
>>533331450That never happened, cuck. The jewrats put that in to insult the Moabites and Ammonites after they made sure no one would know the other side of the story. This is because the jewrats miss no chance to slander their enemies and use the god as a tool
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>>533319287You rejected Jesus, the Messiah because you're evil ergo retarded.Gamaliel himself said (I write this because you're sucking his dick all the time in talmud) said:If this (Jesus/XlChristianity) is from God it will endure and if it's not from God it will not.It's been 2000 years already, the test was time has been passed.
>>533318569Even today only the Christians know right from wrong aka have a conscience aka as the Holy Spirit.
>>533323911Listen nigger, dualistic ramblings of a religion that endorsed as Messiah a guy that converted to Islam fearing for his life, after marrying a prostitute and committing ALL the sins in the book is to be condemned not entertained.
>>533317702Jacob also presided over the enslavement of all of Egypt, which was precipitated by complete collapse of their dollar. GIS .. for when the money failed.. in n Genesis
>>533317381They think it's a Good Thing, apparently.
>>533335163>In Judaism the god Satan is the enemy of Yahweh, the god of the Jews.That sounds way more like Christianity. Judaism usually understands Satan to be under God's authority.
>>533337276I didn't even say I rejected Jesus, I was interested in hearing a critique of Bible story interpretation.I'm interested in the history and logic of exegenesis, I'm not personally invested either way. I don't practice or purport to practice Judaism or any other religion.
>>533335521That's Christianity, the thread is mainly about Judaism.
>>533338420But you are a jewReminder there is no difference between a Talmudic jew and an atheist jew. None at fucking all
>>533338662I'm not a Jew, and you're a troll. Fuck off already.
>>533338916You literally pull your arguments from the Talmud and you refuse to denounce it>>533323280>if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK".
>>533336586Don't spend it all at once, kid.
>>533323280abrahamics worship the demiurgethat's why they are not capable of objective truth, just groveling to an authority (archons)
>533339327You totally told me kek
>>533339080>You literally pull your arguments from the TalmudWhich one? Name a single post I made that references anything uniquely Talmudic.>and you refuse to denounce itBecause I don't owe you anything, least of all following your orders. If I did what you told me to try to earn your approval that would make me your bitch, which is why you're asking me to.>if God says to one human, "you can rape the other human it's OK".That's from the Old Testament idiot. God condones rape in the Old Testament repeatedly.
>>533339610Jews rape kids
>>533339658Am I supposed to take that as an insult? I'm not Jewish.
>>533317381Rabbi Yeshua became a false idol for the goyim after doing some magic street performances.Christianity destroyed Rome.Christianity destroyed the British empireChristianity enabled the Rothschilds and other Jewish families by exempting them from usury banChristianity is why modern day Israel existsAccording to Christian prophecy, you'll win by doing nothing. Poof! Like a thief in the night you'll be raptured.That prophecy was written by a Jew. The Jews intend to build a third temple, unify the three Abrahamic religions, and control all transactions in a Zion-led global new world order. Revelation neutered the Christians.
>>533340369I really don't understand how Christcucks don't see this. It was only after the classical and renaissance era that Europe began flourishing into what we know of Europe as of today. All the best art started in that time period, and was clearly inspired by the pagan philosophies and not those of the church. We can see that medieval Christian art started becoming better under the renaissance, until the Christian element was completely left out and we got pure art in the later eras.So how anyone still claims that Christianity was good for Europe when any respectable historian will claim that the groundwork of Europe at it's highest point was clearly from the Greeks... is beyond me. How do these morons even justify it?
>>533334151>one was a cattle farmer>One tended the landThey gave what they had.Cain woud have gotten away with it if he killed his brother on a altar and proclaimed he did it all for god. Change my mind.In my opinion, god is like a child.He is arbitrary and chaotic in his decision and reasoning, and likes and hates stuff for minor shit and appearences.He does things on whim.Its hard to belief he has our best in his interest when he is omnipotent but still lets us burn on his weekday project.You will say he gave his only son for us.Well, whats gonna stop him having another one.He can allways start again.Make a new kid.Whats 5000 more years?I belief in god, but i am allways wondering what we did to him to get him so...autistic.
>>533317983>His actions were morally wrong but due to his fiery desire God gave him a chanceDo they really believe this shit?
>>533343387>Well, whats gonna stop him having another one.Whoa whoa, you're not supposed to ask questions here
>>533317381that is not the real sorry; the real story is isaac and his wife rebecca couldn't stand Esau's wives; cause they was niggers. see esau married canaanite women. they wanted a white family, so made a plan to get jacob to go back home to get a wife. Genesis 26:34–35“Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith… and Basemath… which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.”Genesis 27:46“I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth… what good shall my life do me?”This is the clearest verse showing Rebekah’s dislike of Esau’s wives.She’s essentially saying:“These women are making my life miserable.”Genesis 27:5–10Rebekah overhears Isaac planning to bless EsauShe guides Jacob to take the blessing insteadEsau marries Hittite women grief to RebekahRebekah becomes deeply opposed to Esau’s pathShe acts to ensure:Jacob—not Esau—receives the covenant blessingjews are nigger stupids... never listen to a jew explain anything bible related... they are not of the blood; or the tribe of jacob; they are nigger garbage; they are gog... or in arabic, juj.i am the messiah. and i am not a jew. or a christian... since i'm already jesus 2.0. why should i worship my previous incarnation.kill a jew for jesus. live free, seed the bitches, love your childrens.
>>533340369>>533342034seething jews
>>533317508That was Lot, and his descendants became the Moabites and the Ammonites, recurrent enemies of the Israelites throughout the Bible. It was definitely not portrayed as a positive outcome, but rather a pathetic and tragic one.Genesis 19:36-3836 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.Esau despised his birthright, and sold it for bowl of lentils. And he took foreign wives, against the wishes of his parents.It is not categorically wrong to marry a foreigner. Moses did. And later, Boaz (of Bethleham) married Ruth (a Moabitess). But Esau, in preparation for his birthright as patriarch of the Israelites, wasn't supposed to.Genesis 25:29-3429 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.Genesis 26:34-3534 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.Jacob's deception of his father did not go unanswered ; he spent the next 14 years getting played by his father-in-law.
>>533343913>the next 14 yearstwo weeks nigger.i am the nigger messiah.
>>5333173811btid Kike thread. The goal here is to convince you Kikes are Jewish. Kikes are not Jewish in the sense of Jacob. The colonizers of Palestine are Edomites descended from Herod, Amalek. Moses didn't walk out of Egypt brown and return looking like Rabbi Schlomo. Jacob murdered them by the thousands but allowed a few groveling men and innocent women and children convert to Judaism. They've done nothing but undermine and stab the backs of their hosts since, as they did to the Jews. They stole the name of the Jews, they stole the name of Israel, they stole the language of Hebrew, and these wars in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran are an effort to exterminate the last remaining Semites. Literally everything about the Kike is a lie. In a thousand years if we do not exterminate them they will call themselves the real Europeans while they turn China and Africa into Palestine. As the Lord declares in Revelation 3:9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
>>533317602>And thus was born Perez, the ancestor of David and consequently Jesus.you're forgetting the first born, Zarah, who stuck his hand out...Numbers 3:13 for Mine [is] every first-born, in the day of My smiting every first-born in the land of Egypt I have sanctified to Myself every first-born in Israel, from man unto beast; Mine they are; I [am] Jehovah.'The Law: Firstborn Belong to GodExodus 13:2Numbers 3:13The firstborn is claimed by God—set apart, not ordinaryInstead of taking every firstborn son:Numbers 3:12 A replacement system is introduced:Firstborn = belongs to GodLevites = serve in their placeSomething must stand in for (redeem) the firstbornThis becomes the backbone of Messiah theology.Sacrifice & Redemption of the Firstborn Exodus 13:13“Every firstborn… thou shalt redeem with a lamb.”Israel Itself Becomes “Firstborn” Exodus 4:22“Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”Messiah as the True “Firstborn” Psalm 89:27“I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.”Messiah = the true firstbornJesus = the lambMessiah = the redeemerJesus is not the messiah; he was a sacrificial lamb, to bring the messiah. me.i am the messiah; and because you worship the dead lamb, you will not be redeemed.the jews fucked you with christianity.zarah's bloodline is first. that is why his color is scarlet.p.s. jews will not be redeemed either; since the yare not the blood of jacob, but the blood of nigger garbage.even rela niggers hate jews cause they know what filth they are.
>>533337276so jews building churches for a prolonged period of time makes something true? or it makes it effective [to jews]?i think once you understand that the new testament is just jews talking to other jews about how to solve the Gentile Question, then seeing gamaliel say if its from god it will endure really means, in jewspeak: 'if it solves the Gentile Question as it proposes it will, and allows us to implement universal noahidism, then we were right to promote it. time will tell.'
>>533336037>The connections between Jews and Nazis are so flimsyAshkeNAZI = NAZIyou must be a fuckn jew.or stupid.hitler was a jew puppet like zelinski
>>533317381>How does israel cope knowing their whole identity is built around a guy that cheated his dieing father ?!Cope?
>>533326914>Jews or judeansjew does not equal judean... that is what the jew want you to think... the word jew comes from the arab word juj, meaning two-faced people; and comes from yajuj and majuj, or in english, gog and magog... if you read the bible and understand it; you will see this in genesis 10:2-3 where askenazi descend from gomer (aka gog) and gomer descends from Japheth. Ashkenazi are european jews... before they called themselves jews, they were known as Ashkenaz.they took the word jew from arabic because it sounded like judean; so they could lie and pretend to be the people from the bible.they are completely fake.euro-white-trash.you would know this if you weren't stupid.
>>533346244churches are just nigger bullshit with fake teachers; jews want this, so they can brainwash people into believing they are chosen; when a jew is euro-white-trash.the whole jew is chosens is a jew psyop- the word jew does not relate to judah... jews took on the name jew, to pretend and lie, cause it sounds similar. it can fool the retarded; but, not the smart.i ma the messiah.you are cursed; and will be exterminated.by fire, cause your god, baal-peor, lord of the anus, the god of niggers... loves fire.
>>533346748stfu stupid nigger.
>>533317602I know a guy named David Jesus Perez.
>>533317381Canonical speaking, because Jacob became Israel and received Gods blessing when he wrestled the angel.That’s the actual theological answer to the question.
>>533318004On thought- Jacob comes before Moses. He’s dead by the end of Genesis.
>>533317381Their entire religion, politics and worldview revolves around cheating the goyim, each other and even YHWH, so I think they take it pretty well.
>>533318569Go ask a group of school kids if they think this is wrong or right.Then ask /pol/ and wonder how so many of them forget what they naturally knew as children
>>533343913>Jacob's deception of his father did not go unanswered ; he spent the next 14 years getting played by his father-in-law.Yeah but he was using the time to scam him too. The whole fucking family are scammed and thieves who live by the Law of acquisition: treat debtors like family: exploit them.
>>533348708Reading this back it’s not clear what I meant. I’m considering why children have an innate sense of morality that adults don’t.
>>533349037Relativity.
>>533348857I’m pretty sure that happens before he wrestles the angel and becomes Israel but he is made crippled from the wrestling match. One thing to consider is that Jacob was never loved by his father. Perhaps he didn’t want the material blessing as much as he wanted to know his father’s approval. Also, Rebecca put him up to it. This doesn’t excuse the deception it but it is worth considering
Also, Jacob dreams of the ladder demonstrating a greater knowledge of God and this why he is actually given the land
>>533349405Ive dreamt of ladders but I got no kingdom
>>533318004he had to slave away for like 14 years or more, and when he was free he had to confront his brother, wrestled with God and received a limp for the rest of his life.he didnt get off scotts free for cheating the birthright and blessing.
>>533318528>they hated him.no they didn't, they had sex with him in order to reproduce, you're just making shit up.
>>533349542Did it bring you closer to God? The whole point here is if this was about material or spiritual gain, isn’t it?
>>533328553What in the literal fuck
not Jewish, but I imagine like many religious stories it is a metaphor and example justifying deception to get by in the world. this makes sense when you consider Jews' have largely lived as second class citizens under a ruling population for most of their history.
>>533349782>William Davidson Talmuddo I need to say more?its not real and rabbinic rewriting of the law.
>>533349782you sound surprisednew to jews?
>>533318528Many people interpret Hamm as having molested his father Lot while he slept. Point of information
>>533319779Also, twins were defined in ways other than biology in the arcane world.
>>533335642>one can revile the divine name if mentally applying it to some other objectNow I'm not religiousBut it seems like christians look at god like an actual thinking entity. But I don't get jews, they somehow are simultaneously chosen by and used to talk to this guy all the time, but at the same time treat him like some force they can control. It's like christianity through the eyes of a dungeons and dragons nerd.
>jewish trickster is the father of Israelwow
this whole thread is nothing but well poisoning by jews, to curse the sons of jacob.anyone who thinks a jew was a part of the tribe, or israel, is a retard or a jew.you niggers can't read, or are stupid.
>>533353404bruh...
>>533317381Jacob did not cheat his brother Esau. Read the Bible again.Esau is the older brother and by the rights of inheritance, the eldest son gets everything.Esau gave up his inheritance twice.-1st Esau willingly gave up his own inheritance as the eldest son when he traded it to Jacob for a bowl of porridge. Esau said that he would die if he did not eat. Jacob asked for the eldest's inheritance in exchange for the porridge. Esau agreed to this because "an inheritance wouldn't matter if I die." Esau's lack of regard for his inheritance as the eldest son shows his base nature and how much of a hedonist Esau was that he would regard his stomach and appetite above all else.-Esau is later renamed 'Edom', but in the Hebrew it is spelled the exact same way as Adam (Adm אדם = Aא Dם Mד), and this is a Hebrew-Parallelism meaning that Esau/Edom acted like a base creature devoted to it's appetites above the higher spiritual faith just like how Adam how thrown away his immortality for 'Fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil'.-2nd Esau was a racemixer. Esau took the daughters of Heth (the descendants of Ishmael who had racemixed with the roving creatures.) God Yahweh created His White Adamic children in His own image and with love. Yahweh loves His Children that love their own White race. But Esau was a racemixer and Yahweh despises those of His children that hate their own race. In Genesis, it caused Isaac's wife Rebecca to despair "for what is the meaning of my life if Esau takes the daughters of Heth to wife." So when Esau racemixed, he literally gave up his divine inheritance as a White Adamic man by mixing his seed with Beasts of the Earth. And so it was when Esau racemixed, Yahweh needed a man of the Lineage of Abraham to continue the Holy Seed through, so the mantle of the White Adamic-Israelite race fell upon Jacob who had not racemixed. Yahweh saw to it that Jacob rightfully inherited that which his racemixing brother Esau had given up.
>>533317381>>533354569Whites are Jacob/Israel. 3domite-Jews are Esau/Edom.Adam was White. Noah was White. Abraham was White. Yahshua is White.If you want to research more on this topic:Christogenea.orgRejection of Esau by Yahwehhttps://christogenea.org/podcasts/biblical/genesis-part-38-rejection-esau'Sins of Esau - No Birthrights for Bastards'https://christogenea.org/podcasts/biblical/paul%E2%80%99s-epistle-hebrews-part-16-sins-esau-no-birthrights-bastards'Jacob and Esau Prophecy'https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/truthvids-100-proofs-israelites-were-white-part-39-52-jacob-and-esau-prophecyEsau and 'Vessels of Destruction'https://christogenea.org/podcasts/biblical/genesis-part-46-vessels-destruction
>>533347831>Flies black nationalist flag>Call others niggers>Doesn't get the ironyYep, checks out
>>533317602>>533317983>>533318231tj;dr
