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>How dating became an extreme sport for men
>Are impossible standards and a toxic mistrust leaving blokes behind?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/15/why-so-many-men-are-giving-up-on-dating/
>No hook-ups and men must pay: inside the femosphere
>A growing army of female influencers is urging women to ditch their romantic delusions, be more aggressive in the dating game — and snare a ‘high-value’ man
https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/sex-relationships/article/femosphere-kanika-batra-sheraseven-fz663v0tj
Easy fix:tax singles.
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Amazing how after a nearly 20 years of nonsense women have determined that they should do exactly what men had been telling them to do.
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Friendly reminder that any time the framing of x demographic being "left behind" in y context is used the implication is that they deserve whatever misfortune they're suffering for being unworthy, regardless of what disingenuous hand wringing follows. It's fundamentally the application of market logic to whatever's being described, where the market is presumed to be impartially fair and almost an unchangeable force of nature, rather than (as it is in reality) an artifical construction whose contours (and thus winners and losers) are defined by deliberate decisions on the part of the ruling class to benefit themselves
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>>533326167
their definition of high value man might differ
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>>533326520
>t.
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>>533326520
Very well put. "Leaving blokes behind" is an underhanded, cowardly way of both blaming and shaming men for the state of affairs. It's cowardly because it almost incites a feeling of pity. "Being left behind" makes you think "oh, well these poor fellas", yet the actual message here is very clearly "Get better you ugly worthless pieces of shit."
You can tell the writer wanted to say "men are worse and shittier and it's all their fault and not our fault or a fault of some imbalanced systemic construct/influence", but she can't outright say that because her editors would probably think it too "mean spirited". It's the classic shaming part of the S.I.G.N. language women invariably use to get what they want. She's attempting to shame men collectively for not being "good enough" to date, but can't outright say it so she instead uses this cowardly, underhanded language of "men are left behind".
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>>533326542
No why? Good looks, tall, preferably white
>Good genetics
Good job, time management
>family is safe and sound

I expect motherly instincts and good householding of my wife and give her the above in return.
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>>533325860
Women now have an abundance of men to chose from online. Every average woman and above who has social media, and they all do, is bombarded with hordes of male attention and suitors. But this also happens in real life, at school, in their social circle and everywhere else they go. They are importing millions of men every year into the west and have been doing this for decades now. The competition is fierce and you are now not only competing with your countrymen males but also endless supply of third worlders, some of which are hard working, decent looking, and willing to breed the average white woman and wage his life away for a chance to wash away his non-white genes.
No point mentioning the fact that all women who are worth their shit are already taken or the fact that a large part of women would rather be part of Chads harem playing the sex kitten.
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>>533325860
>impossible standards
>the ick
>shaming
These aren't standards, its just dumb women being viciously mean. Women are govt bugs, shame your fetishes, film you, etc.. where is the pasta?
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>>533326520
>Friendly reminder that any time the framing of x demographic being "left behind" in y context is used the implication is that they deserve whatever misfortune they're suffering for being unworthy, regardless of what disingenuous hand wringing follows.
true

> It's fundamentally the application of market logic to whatever's being described, where the market is presumed to be impartially fair and almost an unchangeable force of nature, rather than (as it is in reality) an artifical construction whose contours (and thus winners and losers) are defined by deliberate decisions on the part of the ruling class to benefit themselves
false, what is this commie bullshit and why did you shoehorn it in there, bitcoin and capitalism is literally the only way I can escape the n*rmies and their bullshit and lead some sort of remotely meaningful life
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>>533327118
I believe the bad boy type enabled by the jews is part of their definition. Ultimately it stems from your POV. If you are white, you want to build a white society. The vermin will try to benefit from the society by exploiting the white society
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>>533326542
A high value man is a man of an equal or higher social standing than the woman that is considering him. Its completely arbitrary and relative to the womans own preferences and social standing. This means any society that prioritizes women for education and important and high paying jobs destroys its own pool of high value men that the average woman would be content with having which creates hordes of leftover men that have no stake in their own society and don't really care about what happens to it because there isn't a future for them in it.
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>>533327190
>Women now have an abundance of men to chose from online
Not really, maybe for sex but that pool is really small and the pool of potential long term partners to start a family with is even smaller.
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>>533327091
they are running out of way to shame and shit on men because deep down they know they created this whole situation and im 100 pecent positive, they are suffering more under this rule than men. Dont see me going around write strong worded articles about other women. its not a question of if anymore but of when their receptors completely burn through and they start lashing out violently or succumb like a lobotomite to their actions. latest time will be when chad loses all interest, which he does because noone wants to actually be with a feminist manhater
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>>533327190
>Women now have an abundance of men to chose from online
Half-true. Women have an abundance of men TO FUCK to choose from. The key here is that women believe that who they can fuck is who they can lock down into a committed relationship.
For men, this may be true. If a man can fuck supermodels whenever he wants, odds are he's the kind of man that they would want to marry and could marry one whenever he wants.
For women, this is not true at all. An average looking woman can have sex with rich, tall, hot, interesting, famous, big dicked men, whether they be all of those things or a combination of 1+ of those things, but that is in no way indicative of who she can actually get to put a ring on her and commit to her. Women conflate the two all the time and think that just because they can download tinder and get 100+ men thirsting after them in an hour, they clearly deserve better.
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>>533325860
Dating is an extreme sport if you’re not chad.
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>>533327417
It has to be a fucking bong. You guys are the worst cucks to them ever. Its in your blood with and the way you tongue royal anus.
This is all your cultures fault. The perspective you were raised in is the issue. Anglicans are the problem. You are slaves to babylonian pagans larping as "Jews" (see: inbred pollacks).
You fucks took the bait in ww2. Destroyed europe. You deserve everything coming to you.
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>>533327973
>Dont see me going around write strong worded articles about other women
I've seen 100 articles about why the "Male Loneliness Epidemic" is either bullshit, fake, men's collective fault, or mean-spirited articles on it being "good" and "they deserve more" for every 1 on not even why it's a thing, but acknowledging that it's a thing and how it hurts men and collectively hurts society.
>its not a question of if anymore but of when their receptors completely burn through and they start lashing out violently or succumb like a lobotomite to their actions
It'll come when the current generation of women are staring down the barrel of menopause and they realize the life they lived was the real thing and they wasted it. It's easy to say "I don't want kids" when you're 20, 25, hell, even 35. At 35 you are at least ABLE to have a child. It's not recommended, and may come with difficulties/complications, but you can get pregnant. Past 40, 45, and looking at 50, you're done. There is no fertility pill you can take. There's no more chances. You're infertile now. There's no more 1% chance. There's no more "yeah but I know a woman that did this!", and now your life as a "woman" in this sense is effectively over. Smart women will meet menopause with multiple adult/near adult children, and while it'll be a sad time for them, they'll look at their life and understand they did it right. Retarded women will hit it and realize they still have 40-50 lonely years left.
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>>533328542
This comment is a timely reminder that things are even worse if you're Chinese
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>>533328690
Shut up limey cuck. This is what you do. You make up imaginary effigies that represent your short comings. You guys are fucking annoying losers
>Hoopty doopty doo mate
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>>533325860
Hopefully no men gives in
These whores must suffer
I hope sex clankers come very soon, I will be a good pay pig and buy the sex clanker
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>>533326520
I kneel sir
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>>533328622
All i know is that no toll is left unpaid. As much as i dont wish this on any person but the most vile humans in existence, there is no way of escaping bad decisions. Even redeeming yourself comes with a form of phantom pain, in one way or another it manifests and feasts on your consciousness of which im sure most women posses but dont face until late in their life cycle. In other words, the suffering created now will create suffering later on creating a vicious cycle which has to be broken by the individual him/herself. I chose not to hate on women and i can only advise others to do the same. Laughing is fine tho, you laugh at your bros doing stupid shit all the time
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>>533326520
Artificial inversion of the natural order. Either foids will financially support me or the ultimate foid, Government, must. This is how we build civilization and colonize the stars, from the thrones of neets.
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>>533325860
>and snare a ‘high-value’ man
This is actually their issue. Hoeflation is real. They all still damand 9/10 even if they are a 3
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>>533328373
Not jus chad, they are only part of the equation, but statusmaxxed, looksmaxxed, moneymaxxed, charismamaxxed, interestingmaxxed men. There's like 10 men that are above you for every attractive woman. The self-improvement phenomenon has skyrocketed in the past two decades and it shows as women, even mid women, have an abundance of all kinds of "maxxed" males vying for their attention.
There's a lot of male immigrants too, not to mention native non-whites who compete for white women as well.
The competition is fierce in 2026, some of you have no idea since you don't really go out and socialize except to your wage cage and other pre-planned routes.

I know people in their 40's who are established in their field and have status, and they fucking slay the young talent in university like you can't even imagine. The girls are coming at them like on a conveyor belt, and the female students know they are taking turns on him and they are ok with it. They all just patiently wait their turn. Status is a helluva drug, some of you have no clue.
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I'm convinced I will never find a good woman. I am a good man, but only attract BPDemons I break up with as the honeymoon phase ends and they begin revealing themselves

I may give up and become a monk praying for my mothers salvation because she's the only good one I've met even if she still an NPC woman and I don't think women can go to heaven without a man vouching
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>>533325860
>A growing army of female influencers is urging women to ditch their romantic delusions, be more aggressive in the dating game — and snare a ‘high-value’ man
so now they admit openly that they go for the top 10% of men and disregard the rest.
crazy to see 20 year old mgtow talking points in the normiesphere now
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>>533329018
Why did Denny cuck at the end? It isn't most, niggro, it's ALL. This is their nature. It is hardwired and immutable regardless of how much or little pressure is applied by Saturn.
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>>533329018
You are forgetting the biggest one: social media maxxed.

What good is being all of those thing without showing it off?

As a private person I have no social media and because im handsome and interesting women think I'm a cheater or some kind of criminal / loser
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I am 39. I was blue pilled. Life is better without woman. I have no love or hate towards woman. It’s how God designed them.
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>>533326542
If women taught boys what women really want - money, muscles and dick - we wouldn't have this issue. Instead feminists teach boys to be weak.
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you are a 5/10, stop thinking you rate 7/10 or better.
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>>533327630
Well said
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>>533329234
Women want a provider and a protector and not another Andrew Tate or a “bro”
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>>533325860
>>No hook-ups and men must pay
Yeah until Chad comes along; it's the easily observable and blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that make them so easy to hate.
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>>533328622
>will hit it and realize they still have 40-50 lonely years left
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>>533329166
guess it took time for them to be honest with themselves and process their own nature, next thing is total 90% genocide. pol is always the first to know these things for some reason hence why we get the white feather thing posting now. Foid are completely losing control, like an overheating generator that is about to burn down your shelter. I wonder what world they imagine after all is said and done
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>>533329276
I've been rated between 7 and 8 because I have hunter's eyes and im tall. Either way, it doesn't stop women from being psychos so ive gone volcel. Ratings dont matter anymore, especially if you dont have money, and I dont have money.
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>>533329359
>hey I'll just say the opposite of reality because I want it to be true
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>>533329004
Hoeflation is real because most women are not attractive, and men have self improved (looks/status/money) to the point where there's too many of them and too few attractive women. Women don't self improve, quite the contrary they self-decay.
/biz/ has minted many millionaires the past decade and all they can get is sugar babes and escorts, there's too many males who have money in 2026. Two or three decades ago these financially made men would all be paired up and have women seeking them out but not this decade. In the current year a woman can make a million dollars a year or even a month with little effort, money is simply not enough as male. Status, looks and charisma are significantly more important in the current year.

Women are also hiding because so many males are vying for their attention, they are constantly getting hit on and approached everywhere. As I said, there's ten maxxed males for every attractive female right now. This was not the case a few decades ago. No point mentioning the countless situationships women are in right now, because many of these maxxed males are constantly hunting for better females and have a female roster going on.
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>>533329018
Ignore all meme flags
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>>533329182
It's not just social media, you can have social media but if you don't have an interesting life to show up nobody will care. Well there's ten social media maxxed and interestingmaxxed males for every female. The current environment is like disneyland for females, so many options so many choices so much abundance.
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>>533325860
>Easy fix:tax singles.
How do you tax someone who isn't even a tax payer to begin with?
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>>533329182
This.

I was reflecting in this today, i observe this specially in younger girls where i live, 16-24, i think that when they get older sometimes it gets less worse, but i think that in that stage between 16-24 is the worst.

What do you expect from a being that was designed to integrate? Of course she wants to integrate to what looks like will be the better option. Nowadays you don't even have to be rich, just really really good at lying and having charisma, exactly what the guy on the post said "in their minds", that's the spot to work.

>>533329227
I kinda agree with this anon.
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>>533329078
>praying for my mothers salvation
Sounds like your mother raised a weak bitch. Same thing happened to me, life gets better when you ignore 90% of what she taught you. Feminist moms raise failures.
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>>533325860
>‘high-value’ man
so some lanklet nepobaby? lol
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>>533329359
Yet Andrew Tate has fucked more women than the last 10 generations of the male part of your blood line combined.
You can consider him a retarded subhuman, because he is, but women will still pick him over the upstanding average guy.
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>>533325860
>Not being a piece of shit is not "an extreme sport"
Modern men are so goddamn pathetic. You faggots deserve to die as virgins
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>>533328140
You have no idea, but women will get into situationships or start a relationship and even if it goes nowhere, she is taken out of the pool. That would have been your chance with her, but she got with somebody else, even if briefly for weeks or months, she was taken out of the pool. And this happens repeatedly sometimes, so by the time she is out of the pool she is 25+ or 35+ and suddenly you are not interested in her anymore.
There is no guarantee for a woman, she will get together with an interesting male who is above you and give him a chance, she doesn't know he won't commit or that the relationship will fizzle out. And she will do that repeatedly because those males are more attractive (not just physically) than you.
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>>533329930
she's not a feminist my Mom is actually quite redpilled. She just has a female brain which tends towards NPC mode and needs guidance.
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>>533325860
Dating is boring and women are boring. Glad i'm married. Glad I fathered several huwhite kids. When wife is available for a fuck, I fuck her. When she is sick or focused on the kids, I just jack off to big milkers mommies online, then move on to more rewarding or useful stuff. Life is good.
>why no hookers
My money is on stocks, guns and ammos.
>but other women tho
Booooring.
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>they will call you names but never deny any of the accusations
Its just pure hatred at themslves at this point. Like a mirror being held infront of them and the lashing out i have mentioned earlier. it will become much much worthe, i wonder if itll ever get better
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>>533329359
>They want a provider
Money
>They want a protector
Muscles

Your reply is just showing I am right. There are qualities jacked, big dicked rich men have that women don't want. But at the end of the day women want money muscles and dick.
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>>533327118
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>>533330312
cope, lanklets. high value my ass. high values of being retarded dipshits maybe
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>>533330133
>when she is sick or focused on the kids I watch porn
So like 99% of the time and life of a married man? kek
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>>533326167
Roe v Wade gets over turned and my sisters friend comes up with this radical idea about how she should try to get 1 guy to support her and her alone and take care of her and the kid. She argued for 45 minutes that she didn't reinvent marriage because her "solution" didn't include divorce.
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>>533329658
Im sorry but I don't reply to meme flags
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>>533329584
>because I have hunter's eyes

that is the cringiest shit ive heard all day
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Here is another take, most women do NOT looksmaxx. Even those that get lip fillers and cake up their face with makeup that's not looksmaxxing, they all look worse. For a woman to looksmaxx she needs fat injections in her body by a state of the art surgeon (think Gracie Bon but not that extent) and face/bone sculpting. 99% of the women who looksmaxx don't do any of those things and even if they do it they look worse.
It's significantly harder for women to looksmaxx properly and become attractive. Fat women who lose weight are ruined because the skin sags and if they remove the excess skin they will look like shit anyway. Also most women don't looksmaxx in their prime, they looksmaxx in their late 20's and 30's when they are already unattractive, so pointless to begin with.
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>>533329359
>women want money and muscles
>NO, THEY WANT A PROVIDER (money) AND PROTECTION (muscles)
You're arguing like a woman. You're saying the same shit but with different words to make it sound nicer and cleaner. You're the type of woman to say "I don't want a rich man, just a man with ambition!" when that really translates to "I'll accept a man if he's not rich right now as long as he shows promise to being rich later".
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>>533329895
>integrate
>..you don't even have to be rich, just really really good at lying and having charisma

The system selects along a normie to bully to manipulator pipeline. Autists and schizoid minds, the latter of which result from numerous circumstances--gamer lifestyle, conspiratarding, intellectual hubris, avoidant personality, introversion, anxiety disorder, etc--are screened out of the hive. Thus, the manipulator is top dog in this Age of Aquarius/centralized hivemind/institutional slavery.

Women become astounded and indignant when they realize that you have sentience but do not apply it to exploiting the system as it now stands in order to tower over normgroids and feast on their loosh. This shows an unwillingness to provide for the queen of your individual hive.
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>>533330370
I am telling people how to overcome, no cope. Get rich and jacked if you want a woman. Don't listen to women because they never say what they really want.
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>>533330423
If you've been paying attention there is a lot of disjointed effort to sort of reverse engineer some sort of secular sexual ethics going on. It will fail because it always reverts to "a system where other people are made to behave in a way that I approve of while everything I want or may want is still on the table (for me)." People are trying but they lack the grounding, will, and discipline to come up with a functional system.
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>>533330392
That's a little too extreme but overall, life tends going this way when you grow old. Part and parcel.
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>>533327973
I think it's the other way around and they start out as arrogant fucks.
>Chad approaches her
>since she's arrogant as fuck, she believes that this is simply reality finally giving her what she always deserved
>takes him back to her place
>he only cares to get himself off and then raids her fridge before she leaves
>now she feels dirty because the realization that she let some random man she doesn't know use her as self-lubricating flashlight creeps in
>but no worries, her arrogance has a solution for that ego-death!
>it is simply that ALL men are shit
>it's not on her always picking the wrong guys, it's just that there are no right decisions
>queue misandrist drivel for the next 50 years
Women are the sexual gatekeepers, so whenever they complain about the quality of men they end up in bed with, that is simply their failure to gatekeep properly.
Should have gone to the ice rink with John instead of letting Chad rawdog her asshole and then crying in the shower while she tries to wash the semen out of her colon.
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>>533330543
Women don't looksmaxx because it's retarded and useless for them. They just get almost invariably worse looking overtime, so any efforts to "looksmax" come off as unnatural desperation, like lip fillers or BBLs. Age doesn't effect men as strongly as it does women. Though this comes with the caveat that while men *can* age like wine, of course very few do. Most men will not get better with age, but there are those who get more money, confidence, competence, experience, work on themselves, and of course, naturally look good. These are the few "high value men" women actually want. The issue women face is that for every 1 man like this, there's 1,000 women that want him. Of all ages.
So what does a man do with this bevy of options? He fucks as many of them as he wants and gets the right to be picky with who he commits to, if he does at all.
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>>533327630
The only response I've heard from feminists to this point is that the leftover men should just be happy to toil for the benefit of society without any expectation for happiness.

It just makes me wonder how long until there's massive social unrest because of this.
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>>533326520
First post best post, not that I think those articles reflect what real women think at all either.
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>>533325860
>me in the background quietly tapping the sign and giving you a meaningful look
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>>533330797
Social engineering controlled by the jewish-vampires like Larry Ellison and Miriam Adelson
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>>533330977
The severe and invariable lack of accountability is why women will never get widespread empathy for men for them being alone. An ugly woman gets more attention from the opposite sex than an attractive man. Her inability to find a "good" man is a skill issue, plain and simple. Women will laugh at men for not getting pussy, using this as evidence that they're simply unattractive, yet men laughing at women for being pumped and dumped is seen as mean-spirited and horrible.
On top of it to have to hear the bullshit that women have this secret 6th sense "intuition" is just not even laughable any more. There's too many beaten, abused, cheated on women and single mothers for this to be true. Women have complete and utter freedom to choose any man they want and there's an unprecedented amount of bitching and moaning. Activate that 3rd eye 6th sense intuition shit if you're so fucking omniscient.
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>>533331158
>massive social unrest because of this.

all the defectives just go gay and do puppyplay/sm shit.
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>>533331158
I don't actually disagree that leftover men should stop trying to find a woman and reproduce.

I have no problem being alone and toiling for the good of society. But I of course reserve the right to choose what benefits I bestow, such as creative destruction. Reality check. Corrective pressures.

Isn't there something a little sick about seeking true love whilst being unable to be truly loved?
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>>533330977
it always ends up unfavorable for them in either case, be it by their words or actions. the current system doesnt support men but neither does it support the women long term which every party realizes, its just that one party profits off of this short lived updraft and the other is being pushed down. As already, said, once they glide back to earth due to bad experiences or other factors, the realization will drive them mad, as it already partially does. Its selfdestructive behavior through and trough but some people need to learn through experiences, i say, let them, for the sake of next generations if its not too late already and if it is, no point to cry over broken eggs.
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>>533325860
The last date I went on, I kid you not the girl told me right before we met her and her family at this fancy dance/restaurant that she got pregnant with some spic while we were dating. It was like trapping me in this awkward scene when I wanted to bail. Women think they can just entrap you. Force you to raise someone else’s kids by acting nice or creating situations where Imm expected to dance with her. Like nice dancing. Not club shit. But then I am the one socially shamed when I refuse. How about not fucking retarded spics behind my back? How was that more socially acceptable? It's infuriating what women get away with, especially attractive ones.
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>>533331275
the blackpill is that if you are an incel looking person you are not invisible to women as some say,

but they don't count you as a man because they expect you to troon or be a fag.

That's why they support the troon stuff so hard
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>>533325860
>tax singles
I'm just going to drop out of the formal economy or move to the Philippines or something. Fuck this bullshit.
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>>533331275
Just wait until more and more Muslims wind up living in the western world, and the avenues that religion gives to them to redress their social complaints. Young men without any stake in society are also probably the #1 target for cults to recruit.
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>>533329018
Not true for all. Some randoms like myself find a guy being funny is good enough. I'm just socially awkward and panic though.
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>>533331373
I think it's wise to adjust expectations to your reality, but not everybody is suited to a solitary lifestyle. More importantly: you cannot have a sustainable society where over half of men feel no desire to reproduce. It is a ticking timebomb.
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>>533331546
sounds outlandish, i would have gone home than and there. What kind of revelation is this anyway, hey bro im pregnant with some cholos child tehe
fascinating, bye
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Yet another article where the main conclusion is "men arent good enough they should improooove" toss it on the pile
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>>533331266
>Activate that 3rd eye 6th sense intuition shit if you're so fucking omniscient.
Kek, pretty much
>"ugh, I can smell that John would be a bad match ten miles against the wind, yikes!"
>yet she couldn't smell it the last 12 times she fucked a guy and it ended in failure
I wouldn't have a problem with a woman being sad because she got pumped & dumped and saying she made a bad choice.
Her having fucked a guy she barely knew and then being discarded would still make her a lot less appealing, but at least I could empathize with her having been taken advantage of.
But this arrogance from their side where everything they do is correct as a law of nature and it is always the guy's fault when things go wrong just makes me think
>Deserved.
every time one of them gets taken advantage of.
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>>533331558
lol I can imagine a not-so-distant future where British incels have 80% of their paycheck taken to give free shit to their new muslim "neighbors" raping their oneitis. Fucking BRVTAL humiliation ritual, God really hates England.
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>>533325860
leaving behind, they all going lesbian?
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>>533327091
>S.I.G.N. language
what does this mean?
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>>533328140
In other words, women are fucking retarded and should never have rights.
Now how do we get most men to understand this?
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>>533325860
that's exclusively an unitedstatian culture issue
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>>533331546
>Women think they can just entrap you. Force you to raise someone else’s kids
One thing you have to understand about modern women is that they wholeheartedly believe that a child solely belongs to them. It is their possession. It's almost an accessory, even. They believe women/mothers are the primary caretaker and provider to the children, and the biological father is such a distant second that there's a negligible difference between that man and a random man. And since the role of the father is so interchangeable and accomplished by any man, why are you so offput by this? In her mind if you got her pregnant it wouldn't be YOUR child anyway, it's hers.
In this sense women betray the complete and utter lack of empathy they have for men and men's preferences/desires. A man saying "I want to raise my own children" is by no means extreme or radical. But in a woman's mind, that child is theirs and theirs alone, so you can't have a child that's "yours" to begin with. They were either raised without fathers, or with weak fathers, and the advent of abortion reinforcing the idea that the life of a child is a woman's unilateral decision doesn't help with this.
tldr; if it was your kid she wouldn't consider it yours to begin with, this is why she doesn't think it's bad to "trap" you into something.
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>>533331707
I think my reply is always going to be that it is a ticking timebomb because it deserves to be detonated and properly rebuilt. Societies are born, mature, grow crooked and weak, and then die. Ours, mind, whatever, isn't a society in the historical sense. It is a golem, so I wouldn't mind watching it die as if it were decrepit. Unfortunately it appears to be quite resilient.

That said, I don't know how anyone can occupy their minds with these tensions when there is some kind of serious work that needs doing and no one's doing it.
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>>533331158

You are simply not observing that which is in front of your face. There is massive social unrest.

Remember a man's presence is life giving to those around him. Men go to die for causes they love and things they want to keep alive.
Therefore within the walls of his own community the act of social violence you are looking for is them simply not engaging and walking away from it, removing their presence.

This is happening in massive numbers, the male loneliness epidemic is characterised that way as a pr angle. The real male loneliness epidemic is that there are vast swathes of men capable of providing for which they have absolutely no fucking clue what they are up to. So project that it is a loneliness epidemic.

What does a woman do who's husband walks out and never returns is similar to the society who's men leave in all but statistics and never return.

The house manages on as best it can and postures in the only way it can however it is functionally a dead household requiring socially incoherent external support structures.

It's a trend that as of yet hasn't even been clearly articulated not understood. But it's a trend that shows no sign of stopping.
You also have to add to the equation that although you have generations, within that you also have family generations. For instance my mother and father both went to uni and did the uprooted modern thing but most of my class came from households of high school sweethearts with wives that didn't drive. Their children are now in my parents position to some degree where two people meet randomly from uprooted social structures and try to build a family.

The only internally sustainable social model in that framework is to find the gendered clone of yourself and have one child, maybe two if you touch the middle class.

But that's unsustainable at a societal level due to lack of births, stretched social economy of random relatives needing support all over the place and women refusing to marry down.
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>>533332011
most men are so far gone it would take time to educate,as it took time to brainwash 2 generations in the current state of affairs, luxury we dont have anymore. Our fathers have failed us, at least we cannot fail our children for we have none
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>>533329004
>snare
this is the keyword that gives it away
>snare, entrap, to skin, quarter and kill to consume before resetting said trap
they literally talk about us like some animal. they view mean as lesser forms of life than their pets
this is why I hate them.
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>>533331989
S.I.G.N. language is an acronym for Shame, Insults, Guilt, and the Need to be right. It is invariably how all women will argue any point to get what they want out of a man.
>Shame
>Wow, you really think this? A real man wouldn't care about something like this, but I guess you're just a little boy not good enough to handle a woman like me. It's ok, you'll just get left behind because you don't deserve a woman.
>Insults
>Tiny dicked, ugly, incel. I bet you never get pussy acting like that you fucking loser.
>Guilt
>Oh my God, how can you say that? It's because of men like you that we don't feel safe...would you say the same thing about your mother? Or your sister? I hope you never have a daughter and she has to be treated like this.....
And the "Need to be right" can just be summed up by their absolute need to keep talking, always have the last word, and never shut the fuck up. Taking 5 minutes to get a point across that would usually take 30 seconds because more words = more right and last word = even more right.
One or more flavors of this will always be in any argument a woman tries to make against a man in anything.
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>>533330370
relax little guy.
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ok. dont care. still not gonna settle for some used up whore. i just politely ignore women when they approach me now.
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>>533325860
Unfortunately for the wombs, the flower they use to attract the bee has become toxic and intolerable.
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>>533331909
>But this arrogance from their side where everything they do is correct as a law of nature
>describing a woman choosing to sleep with a man she doesn't know as "being taken advantage of"
Anon, you have a long way to go, but you're on the right road. Women make stupid choices, that doesn't mean they're being "taken advantage of" or "victims".
I got dumped by my last GF two weeks after my mom died because I cried on the phone. does that make me a "victim" or did I just chose to date a bad woman?
Ironically, given the intuition comment, I resisted dating her for like a year because I knew she was into me but my gut said "no" but knowing her for a long time convinced me I was just paraniod.
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>>533332338
thanks for this anon.
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>>533330768
cope, only incels are high value
>>533332390
>quoting a foid
lanklets are truly the most low value men out there
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>>533326520
very based
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>>533332723
imagine when your very own nature goes against dating someone to a point you gut is screaming at you
had the same happen to me with my now ex, got weak because ive been single for 12 years prior to her, tried breaking up with her at least on two occasions, got off meds and was vulnearable, thats when the strike came and she dodged me. 2 weeks later he has a new bf all according to the procedure. I have felt all feeling and came to only one conclusion, none of this was worth it not the good and not the bad. The void is more comfy than whatever net the reality is spinning currently
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Some women are really creepy. Especially the ones that copy all your humor, mannerisms, and figures of speech.

Like MKultra level 99 brainwashing with sexual pleasure involved in rewiring the brain
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>>533332943
>>The void is more comfy than whatever net the reality is spinning currently
>The void is more comfy than the foid
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>>533332786
No problem, leaf.
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>>533332338

> You do realise that nobody loves you, your family pretend to love you but behind your back they all hate you

Was my favourite insult. Came from a random woman I've never met kek. I think the conversation was about having children close together and all the roasties insisting it is better to cram out whatever in as short a space as time as possible despite all common sense and academic study suggesting otherwise.
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>>533332057
Insightful, anon. I think the majority of the gender gap in communication is women acting extremely self-centered without realizing it (unless they justify it) and men not realizing how self-centered women actually are acting/being.

I don't think there's much point in developing any gender essentialism out of this, but that's what's happening now.

I think the chief cause is economic/structural, but it's not "we aren't making money to have enough kids". It's more that we've created a world of bullshit, and women both more willing to eat the bullshit and also better at bullshitting (probably from their willing experience). This has created a bullshit world where bullshitters don't see a problem with it, and the ones who call "bullshit" are reduced to insulting the other side because they can't get it through their thick noggins that something is wrong.

I think we will go to war over this if the economy doesn't utterly collapse Great Depression style. That's probably why the WEF and those types want to create a managed collapse. The people are raising their level awareness enough that this move seems more difficult for them by the day, but I can't imagine them reversing course on all of the bullshit, so it will be Fabian strategy, and everything will just gradually get worse and worse.
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>>533331546
I would have just dropped her like a hot potato and let her deal with the fallout.
If anyone would try to hound me over dropping a woman who was trying to slip me a bastard after cheating on me, I'd have gone scorched earth on them to the point where they'd wish they had never known me.
I'm pretty relaxed most of the time, but when someone tries to use social pressure to force me into an intolerable position, I will ensure they never think of trying that a second time.
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>>533333069
haha missed my chance but you got my back
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>>533331909
>"ugh, I can smell that John would be a bad match ten miles against the wind, yikes!"
It's not even this. Honestly "women's intuition" and "the ick" are just retarded ways of women justifying the following:
>I did not find this guy attractive but I don't want to say that out loud, so I'm going to invent some bullshit minor thing that offput me to shift the blame on to his behavior rather than my superficial preferences
In short "he wasn't hot". That's all it is. The hotter you are, the larger of a margin of error you are, the uglier you are the more it shrinks.
Be hot/ugly enough and you can do no wrong/do no right.
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>>533325860
https://archive.IS/FzirX
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>>533325860
>first article is pay walled and OP couldn't be fucked to archive
>second article is hostile (albeit softly) to it's subject but people act like it's about hating men anyway

I hate what this website has become.
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Let God End All Kikes to Heal the World
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>>533333333
KEK has spoken
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>>533332338
>would you say the same thing about your mother? Or your sister?
I have said things they absolutely would find horrible to both my mom and my sisters, and every time I did so, it improved my mom's and sisters' lives long term.
You cannot be nice to women when it comes to shit of actual importance. If you wrap something in cotton, women will just immediately abuse any degree of vagueness in your statement to weasel their way out of it and pretend that there are no consequences and they did nothing wrong.
You need to be blunt in a way that makes them hate you short term if you want it to get through to them.
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>>533331546
You didn't get socially shamed.
You had no balls to leave, and deal with the non-likely situation of getting socially shamed.
As simple as saying she cheated on you and got pregnant by another man.
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>>533332964
>Especially the ones that copy all your humor, mannerisms, and figures of speech.
This, women who "mirror" you are bad news. watch out for them anon, they're predators.
>>533332943
>got weak
Yeah, i know that feeling. When you "logically" convince yourself to go against your gut... I'm slowly learning that that voice is the one voice I should listen to. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
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>>533331158
kek, one of the normiest thing Ive read
>what is handmaids tale
do u virgins live under rocks? kikes are already rug pulling women out of workforce and roastie life kek. all those roasties gittin girl bossed to the door. fake high paying jobs created by dei satanist policy was always intentional, specifically for the rug pull. the ‘rug pull’ is already working too. lift hoes up by falsely boosting ego byway of societal worth, then expose they was always useless pity project which will lead them to giga degeneracy and debasement. satan mocks women above all else, nocap, hoes shoulda seen the trapcard (and they did) but they was loving their societal ‘importance’. the next phase for them is no husband no safety net means putting fries in bag, onlyfansing, actual whoring at brothel, or arranged(paid) marriage to her dad with baby contract. literally all of these things are in the normie sphere right now depending on what country and how far their satanism plot has advanced. fkn kek, some german brothel is getting 304s to lose guvvy bennies bcuz the useless whores refuse to be actual whores LMAO. the marriage baby contracts are in nippon AND korea where Dads are basically enslaving their daughters in generational homes until preggo by arranged husband to keep them from being stream slaves irl. over 90% of fast food restaurants are managed by the local barren spinster. smthn like 40% of young girls see onlyfans as viable career lmao. bops are actually cooooooked. handmaids tale will happen. forced breeding will occur. even the satanist playbook says they will outright enslave women to breed more nephilim. this rug pull is prepping bops to expect to be objectified, to expect to be baby slaves. true obedience is obtained when the pet expects a beating but receives a treat - watch bitches be turnt the fk out until they turn on each other. the conservative/tradwife/hobbyfarm fad is the best evidence of this emerging.
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>>533325860
On the contrary, I think we should finally dismantle the institution of marriage. Bronze age Jewish mysticism shouldn't be a foundation of modern civics and polity.
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>>533331391
>but some people need to learn through experiences
most if not all do, that´s exactly why i stepped aside
let them handle the chaos they created.
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>>533325860
>>A growing army of female influencers is urging women to ditch their romantic delusions, be more aggressive in the dating game — and snare a ‘high-value’ man
Ok good advice. Now are the people given that advice high value women?

>>533328622
The older zoomers are already 30. I'm a millenial, I know women in their 30s with no kids and no partner and there are 2 issues you're ommitting.
1) They just blame men. The girls who grew up with you and told other girls to not date seirously when theyw ere younger, will striaght aced tell you that men wasted their youth.
2) Even if they did. So what? Ok congrats, Stacy says she regrets her life. Will that make her more fertile? Will that make you look past her history and think of her as your wife and mother of your children? If you set your house on fire while you're still in the room, saying it was your fault as you're encircled with flames isn't going to save you from the fire you started because covering your room in rags soaked in petrol and yankee candles were such a nice aesthetic.

I just want to add one last thing. Millenials and zoomers aren't that old. These people 100% grew up in a time where Christian conservatives had a tight grip on America and other countries, their grandmother would go to Church, surround herself with crosses and tell her not to be a whore or no man would want to marry her. This isn't some rosetta stone shit where the knowledge was lost and buried. It was given by people who had an interest in them doing well, and ignored.
Any regret now is just because they can't have a cake as they already ate theirs.
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wtf is wrong w u
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>>533326167
That's how it always works -- they're rebelious and defiant against men -- because that FEELS GOOD, not because they have any actual, rational reason to be so.
When the high of "NO!" wares off and she's settling into loneliness and paying full price for things -- she suddenly wants to be a little submissive finally.
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>>533334062
Its been mens problems to clean up each and every time bad things happened, it just happens to due to manipulation, propaganda and a myrriad of other factors, that this cleaning job probably wont be done on time this time around which may or may not have severe effects on the world. I dont know any other cases where people got so bad at everything and lost so much competency in nearly every aspect of the life so i have no comparison to what might come next but it wont be pretty for anyone involved. At least the foids have some short term farm, let them enjoy themselves a little bit longer. If anything they are the fleeing animals from a forest fire while the rest of us willingly or unknowingly is headed directly to it
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>>533325860
>No hook-ups and men must pay
that is only for non chads. for chad a bitch is driving herself to his place and immediately getting fucked within the first 5 minutes of meeting him, and buying him dinner afterwards if he didnt immediately kick her out once he nutted in her raw.
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>>533334200
sounds kinda based actually
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>>533326520
Its called fair world theory.
A worldview where justice prevails. Hence, everyone deserves what they get.
The rich deserve it, those who suffer must have done something bad.
Its a cultural import from India, i.e "Karma". In abrahamic traditions the world is accepted as unfair, but you get punished/rewarded in the afterlife.
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>>533334345
>but it wont be pretty for anyone involved
let it be
we have some realignments to do
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>>533334492
sucking dick to own the foids

that means youre winning

teh absolute state
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>>533325860
I don't care about cunts.
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>>533334544
there is no other way, let their own nature devour them whole
>>533334911
only thing that has to be said really
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>>533333166
One more thing I will say:

Governments are not in control of this problem, so it doesn't matter who's running government. Most governments in the world focus on internal matters, particularly involving civil liberties or light industrial regulation, but their markets which drive human behavior are fundamentally out of their control. Whoever controls the world markets, controls people.

If you want to compare different types of influence on a country, look at countries that are hostile to western trading and finance. These are the levers that lead to transitioning your country to a service model, which involves a number of changes that contribute to childlessness. Some have reduced these changes to liberal social ideas or feminism more specifically, but they emerge as ideological responses to changes that already occurred. Culture is downstream from law (even though democracies painfully imagine the inverse), and law is downstream from international power levers (which are currently centralized in finance).
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>>533325860
Not my problem.
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>>533325860
Except women want relationships a lot more than men do.

We can fap, we don't need attention to survive, we don't feel loneliness unless we're low test.
Women need men for sex, need attention like they need oxygen and get lonely within minutes.

Daily reminder most men today don't have gfs because they don't want any, not because they can't get any. Only incels care about having relationships.
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>>533334125
>1) They just blame men. The girls who grew up with you and told other girls to not date seirously when theyw ere younger, will striaght aced tell you that men wasted their youth.
I'm in college, in my 30's, there's a woman in the class who's 42 and HATES me with a passion because I flirt with the 18-20 year old women in class, obviously as the oldest man in the class I should be flirting with her used up ass.
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>>533327118
>I expect motherly instincts and good householding of my wife
Kek. Good luck with that.
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>>533325860
I'll just leave this here
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>be me
>be a loner all through school years
>only my mutt dog for companionship
>go out into the world just me and my dog.
>have job. Own house. Own car.
>meet woman who pushes me out of my shell.
>gonna get married. Dog gonna be best man.
>dog dies.
>cry. GF gets the ick.
>GF fucks her coworker multiple times before I find out.
>"sorry. Im just not feeling it anymore."
Women are legitimately evil and don't have a romantic bone in their body. The moment a man isn't fitting their criteria they are looking to step out.
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>>533325860
https://youtu.be/-Fp7w3Jy3yk
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>>533325860
The single tax wouldnt change anything regarding this dynamic. What do you think would happen? Although I assume you already left the thread after posting this.
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I have fucked 26 women. After that, I got bored. It's easier, cleaner, and safer to just jerk one out. Honestly it feels better too. I eventually got married solely to have children but if I didn't want kids I would have been perfectly content never having sex again. It's unironically not worth the hassle.
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>>533325860
>Easy fix:tax singles.
Most men will prefer the tax.
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>>533334529

Why don't we just trick god with wordplay?
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>>533333591
Sounds like how children act
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>>533335250
>Call yourself an empath
>Date older men instead of guys you're age when you're young
>Get old
>Complain men date women younger than you, demonize them. Say you were manipulated and you're jsut some angel saving other girls from that.
>Despite being an empath, completely ignore how the men you ignored may feel about you ignoring them before and now demanding they can't date younger women or women from other countries
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>>533335533
It is thus the necessity for "patriarchy". All part of nature.
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>>533331196
Not necessarily think, but they act on it perfectly. The men left behind are just invisible.
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>>533334529
But it's true. You could get a gf, any incel could - if they wanted.
But the juice ain't worth the squeeze so why bother.
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>>533335277
shouldn't have cried faggot.
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>>533333856
fucking shit, i didn´t wan´t to write about it but
the fucking feeling you get in gut.
trust it
if it says fuck it and leave, do it,
if it says don´t you dare get any sort of close to that woman, stay away
if it say´s here something special, be gentle and observe, let it flow and maybe, maybe something come out of it but first do above 2
listen to it.
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>>533335618
Yes, well, oppression of women is the best solution humanity has found in 300000 years.
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>>533335533
Because most women never mentally mature past their teenage years really.
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>>533332390
Average white male height is 5'9.8 BTW
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>>533333856
>>533335763
Instincts exist for a reason, and that reason is they kept us alive in brutal life and death struggles for millennia. Ignore your gut feeling at your own risk.
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>>533325860
>no hookups
No that’s the one thing that didn’t change. They are still fornicators. Just better at pretending they arent.
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>>533326520
It’s a weird times we’re living in
People’s minds are broken
It’s like they forget that a bomb is still a bomb a gun is a gun you can write whatever lying narrative you want in the news but one day someone will kill you for it
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>>533332146
What is the root of this social unrest?

This is what I think, but I admit it's not well-defined in certain places:
>>533335059
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>>533334228
the definition of childlike behavior
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>>533326520
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>>533333321
OP is a lazy nigger
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>>533335891
"goverments" aren´t in control in any places. so who is socially engeniring us ?
maybe someone in the 60th or 70th before got a hold of manipulating the masses, but i´m to lazy to look it up
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>>533335533
Yes, because women are essentially overgrown children. Children want authority without responsibility. They bitch and moan that grownups get to stay up past 9 and can eat ice cream whenever they want. They don't understand the responsibility that comes with authority, or the even more important concept that authority itself is a responsibility.
Case in point; women constantly bitching about how they "don't feel safe at night" or something to that effect. Women have the absolute freedom and agency to go where they want, when they want, wearing what they want, with whoever they want. This means that they are completely and utterly responsible for their own safety. They don't like that they're responsible for their safety, and just say "well the world SHOULD be safe" or that other people should guarantee their safety while respecting their absolute freedom.
As men, we have an inherent understanding that our safety is our responsibility. We need to learn to fight, run fast, get a gun, or avoid potentially dangerous situations in their entirety. If we get attacked, we're not gonna bitch that no one else defended us. At most we'll complain that laws are hampering our ability to protect ourselves, but we're not going to scream at someone else for not doing it.
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>>533326520
Good effort post and it's one of these things that only honest people notice, because everyone else is lying and bullshitting so much.

They're leaving behind/blocking out people on purpose and then acting like they must have deserved to suffer somehow... Very feminine tactic.
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>>533326520
Holy based post
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>>533335256
>women accurately rate men they know but dislike men they don't

This is a good thing and an argument against the idea they are naturally more interested in outgroup men.
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>>533325860
Easy fix: take the undeserved rights they are abusing away from women and let her father decide about fitting suitors.
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>>533332146
> This is happening in massive numbers, the male loneliness epidemic is characterised that way as a pr angle. The real male loneliness epidemic is that there are vast swathes of men capable of providing for which they have absolutely no fucking clue what they are up to. So project that it is a loneliness epidemic.
Well put. You often hear this statement about male loneliness crisis but no one ever asks “a crisis for whom?”
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>>533327190
>Women now have an abundance of men to chose from online
They're not "choosing" anyone, and it's why we've been having dating app problems since 2011. Here, look at what a terminal foreverally-alone girl looks like

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bumble/comments/1n4bg9a/ive_been_struggling_finding_matches_not_sure_what/

That's right, this thicc outdoorsy gamer gurl weeb can't find literally ANY men in the barren Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue region of Washington. Remember that these sites now need a MUTUAL like from both ends to match, which means that she's currently the problem, but she waits until she's been swarmed with compliments from guys she left-swipes on to reveal her power level

>I would say I swipe on about 20% of guys from my feed
>I've mainly been swiping on guys who are about the same size as me, active, similar political views, and that I find attractive. Everyone has their own preferences of what they find attractive
>I swipe on men who have a career; both trades and corporate. Not too stressed about their income, just enough for them to currently support themselves and to be able to help with future kids. I am an independent home owner and have my own career. So I don't expect a man to support me; I'm looking for a partnership
>"Everyone has their own preferences of what they find attractive"

She gets called-out, and goes on the defensive

>Only 20%? I would say that could be one of your issues

>I'm not looking to hook up with someone nor am I interested in ENM or poly relationship. I know I want kids, I am not religious, and I want to be with someone who aligns with my political views.
>Combining some baseline deal breakers like that is going to automatically cut off a large percentage of the profiles I see. I'm not looking to date just to date

She's genuinely trying to convince people that her dealbreakers imply there are a "large percentage" of men who AREN'T atheist monogamous shitlibs in Washington that want to be a dad
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>>533336103
>another entire article blaming men for this and blaming men for that and men need to be like this and not like that and do this and not that and men need to do this and MEN ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE MEN AND MEN ONLY
The complete and utter lack of accountability on women's side is just exhausting. I don't know how anyone can even put themselves out there anymore, it just seems so spiritually fucking draining.
Whenever you do get women to concede some blame on anything, it's always a backhanded "acceptance of blame". It's never "I did something wrong", it's always some bullshit misdirected blame like this:
>I was too trusting...
>Previous relationships made me now too mistrusting...
It's always some "I was not really at fault" shit to justify their poor decisions and bad behavior. God damn I'm glad I'm not doing this shit anymore.
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>>533329359
Yet "bros" like Andrew Tate are infinitely more sexually successful than the majority of men who listen to what women say.
This notion you speak of is nothing new. Men know that women say that. The anger and frustration comes from their realization that what women SAY is not typically reflected in what they actually DO. Redpillfags aren't born, they're made.
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>>533336673
the apps are bananas. Plenty of 35+ crazy insane roastoids looking for dick 10 years younger and lying about having kids etc.

I've noticed women going like 15+ years younger by giving pussy to some guy
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>>533336867
That's horrible! 20-25 y/o boys' brains haven't even fully formed yet! Those are children! Women are such creeps ugh.
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>>533336673
One reason why men will not have any empathy for women that can't find a guy is because women get so much attention from the onset of puberty until they're 40+ that if they cannot sift through the abundance of men that approach them throughout their lives there has to be a problem with them.
Good women that actually have reasonable standards and want a man to marry and have children with find them fast. How in the fuck has this woman not been able to find a man suitable enough to procreate with in 16 fucking years of adulthood?
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>>533336938
I had a random ethnic roastie waitress start flirting / talking to me and she said she found a boyfriend on the apps over 16 years younger than her

zero shame just pride that she could pull it
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>>533336867
POF will never show you anyone 7 years younger than you if your profile is male, and support is known for asking for an ID if you get flagged, but because women are the lifeblood for these things, they just look the other way for roaming cougars, it's why escorts, egirls, and IG hoes never get removed no matter how many reports you make
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I don't get it, the population of men and women are roughly equal, so why is it that women hold all the cards?

so why is it that single women are much happier than single men?
why do women receive so many replies compared to men?
why are unmarried men shit on compared to unmarried women?
why do so many men desire women even though so many women have negative views on men?

why can't men turn the tables on women and demand that women pay for men's dinners/dates or threaten women of withholding sex?
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>>533335891

Old people.

It cannot be understated how much of a social upheaval long life is causing. I would go as far it is as big of a change in society as hunter gatherer to agriculture.

When you take old people, children and not working but eligible, the percentage hasn't changed much since WW2 and before.

Old people create assymetric economic demand for service based labour exchanges in the form of care mostly but café and holidays too and luxury products.
So you end up with a highly stratified yet shitty economy with no children.

Men can do two families but women cannot. They can't go and care for an old person then come home and care for their own family as well. The number one employers of working class women is the care sector.

In history the only thing a rich old person couldn't buy was the care of a familially attached woman.

Take household wealth, 1980 over 55s had 35% of household wealth and under 30s 20%. That figure now stands at 50% and 5% respectively.

Have you ever played a game of monopoly for just a little too long and tried to get a random person to join in? Nigh on impossible, you'd have to basically manipulate them to do it. You also have to break the game by handing out informal loans to people just so they can pay your bill.

But as I said, men won't burn down their own village as much as people project it. That's from the mind of people who would. Men being life givers will retract that quality while being called losers.

Everything else is nothing new under this great sun. Universal old age is completely and utterly novel at a scale beyond anything in written history. Maybe sea peoples but that's external threat.

Zeus was a neet, only so he was protected from being eaten by Cronos. Makes sense why neets are right wing traditionalists while most successful men are soulless soft handed undermined cucks whose children make wishes to the cumfairy after their whore wife kisses them on the forehead goodnight.
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>>533336673
Damn I'm glad I'm out of the game now
I can tell just looking at this girl's profile that the main reason she doesn't get any matches is because she only swipes right on guys who are way out of her league. Her best outcome is that she comes across and gets pump and dumped by a chad hogger.
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>>533336160
>"goverments" aren´t in control in any places. so who is socially engeniring us ?
Whoever controls the markets, controls the people.

So who controls the markets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-3OoC0_wY

Who is CIA?

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzmYhqF9BgKPJSNcbIAHj7HSPIsuT_PTW
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>>533336673
>am not religious
>be with someone who aligns with my political views
> I want kids
> I want kids
Well then maybe if you want a husband and kids you should align yourself with ideas that value having a family rather than a progressive death cult that views children as their mothers' lifestyle accessory. Men don't do this shit.
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>>533336950
She's fat. By just seeing her profile picture alone I know I could not be in a relationship with her. This is a fatal baseline flaw, nevermind all of the other flaws that would accumulate on top of that you'd invariably find after meeting her. It's bad enough being with a hot girl who's simply obnoxious, that alone could be enough to dump her. Imagine how bad it must be dealing with a fat shitlib. Tattoos. Elephant thighs. Smelly unwashed fat-roll-covered vagina. Endless political ranting. The vast majority of women are useless for anything beyond a covert cum session
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>How in the fuck has this woman not been able to find a man suitable enough to procreate with in 16 fucking years of adulthood?

She's probably been app-poisoned since the moment she got a phone and random men started mass-liking her pictures and pretended to care on Reddit, much like every nerdy girl every anon had a crush on at one point in their life. These posts imply she's social and has friends, but is also a heckin d0rk like j00

https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonCrawlerCarl/comments/1s9snue/new_achievement_first_through_the_maeve_store/

https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/yoxwv2/in_honor_of_n7_day_here_are_photos_from_my_mass/

Which means that every male in her friend group has 100% asked her out in some way and she turned them down, as anyone that's ever tried asking one of their close nerdy girl friends out knows that you're flipping a coin on whether or not she's disgusted or cuts you off from the group entirely after that, "average" does not exist for women anymore when
>"I'm hot because I have big tits!"
is a standard mindset that tricked a load of women during the fat positivity movement, aka
>"Become a fetish and push it onto fit guys"

Vidrel is the type of dating app ad an Instagram account sees if it flags you as a woman, which means that there's enougn marketing data to showcase these AI-enhanced twinks are what's hot on dating apps now
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>>533335891

Women haven't changed, literally to the genetic level their X gene refuses to prune or specialise. Essentially the same copy paste since beginning of time.

Pic rel, never once in history has man's eyes beheld such a sight. So strange it is he struggles to even cognise it's strangeness and articulate in any real terms. Even academics struggle to conceive of its impact.

> It's the culture
> It's the video games
> It's the lack of investment

Unlike the material economy, the biological economy is fixed. Can't make it go faster or more efficient or increase it's capacity to care for the vulnerable. Third wife, RV and four bedroom family home or not. Even beyond that, £5m in end of life care spread onto fallen fruit.

> Why is nothing growing
> Why are young people not having children and not engaging in normal social behaviours

Because it's ogre broski. But men will always be blamed because at the end of the day they are responsible. And I mean that not in terms of shitty grouped semantics. As in men are the only ones capable of responding.

But they must forsake Cronos promise and reject the pension. Give me a viking death, at my station or off a cliff and do everything you can to not pay the sheriff of Nottingham as all money goes to the banker who's been bought out by the boomers.

I will never feed that cunt. Fuck Cronos and fuck pension's. I will never take a war widows benefit or see it given to a man, private or not, grain is for the grower and those who his charity extends to.
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>>533337729
>AI-enhanced twinks are what's hot on dating apps
So women are gay, and like usual, are worse at it than men?
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>>533337602
But the salient issue is that she's out here seeking advice because she's "struggling to find matches" which is just simply not true. She's not struggling to find matches, she's struggling to find matches with men she wants. Which is why what she wants probably needs a complete and utter overhaul.
It speaks to the larger issue that women have ridiculously high standards for what they are. This is an overweight woman a year away from being considered a geriatric pregnancy candidate. I have no doubt that she gets dozens of matches a day, yet she doesn't want a good 90% of them. The 10% she does want are probably good looking men that either swiped right without looking because that's how a lot of men use dating apps, guys that want to pump and dump her, and a very, very small percentage of guys that she could have a viable date that may not work out here and there for whatever reason.
The smoking gun here is why she dismisses ALL of these other men? In that 90% she dismisses, there has to be 1 guy that is a good, normal man. May not be the best looking, most interesting man in the world, but a good man that'll respect her and treat her reasonably well.
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>>533337235
I agree that old people, on the surface at least, create the largest shift in market demand.

That being said, why do you see this sudden shift within 5-10 in every country that accepts western trade/finance into their countries? I suppose the consumer demand can come from outside the country, so business people can look at these third world countries with shattered fertility rates, just like the western countries, as mere pools of supply.

Thinking even more big picture, why would this be continually allowed and promoted if not on purpose? It's unsustainable, and while individual businesses focus on profit for next quarter (thanks Jack Welch), real market movers are smarter than this. Either they (like the CIA and upper finance like Black Rock) want this to happen, or they saw it as inevitable anyway and are merely trying to soften the crash.
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>>533337216

Because violence is for outside the wall, not inside.

The only framework what you are saying could happen is to become a tranny and switch out roles with another. Which is what some of the weaker men resort tom
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>>533337216
Women only care about getting more fake DEI daycare jobs and more welfare for single mothers. That is what you need to cut to control them, not withholding sex, women use sex to get things not for pleasure, thats why gay men have 20x more sex than lesbians.
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>>533337078
She's a big one
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>>533336673
What do you think this bitch weighs? I'm over weight, not obese mind you, overweight. This woman looks like she pushing 275? My extra 20lbs would probably put me out of the running in her mind. Why are obese women like this?
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>>533337235
>Zeus was a neet, only so he was protected from being eaten by Cronos. Makes sense why neets are right wing traditionalists while most successful men are soulless soft handed undermined cucks whose children make wishes to the cumfairy after their whore wife kisses them on the forehead goodnight.
This is essentially a perfect inversion of traditional storytelling.

Also, one of my favorite interviews ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3yeX1-SaM
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>>533333856
>>533332964
Women who copy all your behaviors are trying to steal your personality like a succubus and then leave once the life has been sucked out of you.
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>>533325860
>Easy fix:tax singles
I will simply engage in tax fraud.

Also FFS.
>Bad at the game? Pay more, faggot!
Fuck off.
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>>533332338
>Taking 5 minutes to get a point across that would usually take 30 seconds

Lol this actually doesn't bother me at all, as long as they aren't yelling at me or some shit. I'd love a woman whose very articulate and elaborates on stuff. The more they open up to you, the more they have to trust you. I agree with all your other points. And yes they do pretend they're right even when you can prove otherwise and will start a fight over it.
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>>533335891
jews
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>>533338368
>I'd love a woman whose very articulate and elaborates on stuff
This is the key though. They're not elaborating or expanding on a topic. They're just yapping and yapping and repeating themselves using different words, stuttering or stalling for time to put up the illusion that they're expanding on some point by taking longer to articulate it.
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>>533325860

Easy fix: remove women's rights
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>>533338368
Ignore all meme flag posts
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>>533332723
>because I cried on the phone.
Weak pussy ass bitch lol.
Your gf was right. You're the kind that would be raped in prison.
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I know most of you in here probably already know this, but seriously if you are just a normal 5/10 guy and have any dating app accounts I cannot stress hard enough that you just have to delete that shit and stop worrying about women. You will do increasing damage to your own self-worth and self-image the longer you use them. Like even if you really want to just find a 5/10 girl to start a life with, you're never going to be seen as an equal by those women in the apps and it's only going to make you feel shittier and shittier about yourself. This gets so much worse after you're past your early 20s, too. I felt like offing myself at one point I was so depressed by it all. It's unironically better for your own mental health to try your best at meeting someone organically and just accepting going on your own if you don't end up meeting anyone that way.
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>>533338460
You aren't wanted here.
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>>533337893
>data scientist
i go with another anons suggestion that women want to date up and as a data scientist she already filtered more than half the male population in income which doesnt leave much room for contestants that arent completely out of her league and can date girls thinner younger and cuter than her
she filtered herself due to beign to successfull
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>>533338539
You have a very upside-down idea of what /pol/ is, kike newfag.
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>>533333884
If that happens then you're fucked too cause all working age men are sent to die in the coal mines while only chad impregnates all women. Retard. Did you even watch the show
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>>533337900

Nobody is in control. We can predict the weather but not change it or control it. Some may do a dance and claim it was they who brought the rain and you might find small elite groups larping about as divine as always which people believe. But truth is nobody can control such a complex system. They can nudge it but always with unforseen consequences you haven't predicted.

The west is at this stage biologically bankrupt but are importing the last of the demographics to prop it up but that only speeds up the same forces at play in other countries with less of an issue. But they buy in instantly and this fuck their own demographics but at a slightly different rate/vector.

If you look at the world macro its same as national. It's a fixed biological economy. Then factor in racial life limits. It's boomers everywhere. Just because in Uganda they sit in a communal hut in an undeveloped economy whereas in Britain they sit in a cozy institutional facility doesn't change the forces at play.

Pic rel is Uganda life expectancy, they retire at 60 but are all starting to live longer lives and then you get same problem. Women would need to have two fucks to give when they only are born with one. Can't change it.
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>>533331158
>The only response I've heard from feminists to this point is that the leftover men should just be happy to toil for the benefit of society without any expectation for happiness.
Counterpoint:
Day of the Rape
Annually
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>>533338554
>data scientist
Kek even the redditors pointed out this "data scientist" doesn't know how to spell "Bachelor of Arts." Being unable to spell out your own college degree is next level.
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>>533337978

They've always been the same. The feminists movements political agenda is literally words for word the legal system implemented in the ancient greek play 'assemblywomen'
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>>533338568
I'm aware that Eglin Air Force Base and Mossad post here regularly. Maybe you are one of them.
True /pol/ knows that ethnic membership doesn't make you elite to shit.
True /pol/ knows that jew hatred as much as jew love is part of establishment propaganda because both ideas push responsibility away from the big club that you will refuse to acknowledge.
>inb4 I'm a kike and more denial about the big club
This is why you are not wanted. So leave.
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>>533338798
Feminism was invented by kikes to destroy white civilization. This is a fact. Lurk for two years before you use this website, you ignorant twat who is probably just a kike.
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>>533335229
I am ready for a sadomasochistic 50 shades type relationship where I abuse her and leave when I want.

But women don't seem ready.
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>>533338879
They are if you are a mogger relative to them
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>>533327417
Just because capitalism works for you does not mean capitalism works as a whole. The nature of the system is to create a handful of winners while simultaneously reducing the standard of living for a majority of people.
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>>533338742
no clue, just asked google ai and apparently she earnst more than 80% of all males aged 20 to 40, she will forever be single if she doesnt settle for a nice plumber
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>>533338923
Never gonna happen.
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>>533325860
This has been going on since the 90's thoughbeit OP. They write cope books about how it's great being 30 and childless burning through guys based on what time of the workweek they try and pick them up. It's quite pointless to care like most female "ideologies"
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Here's what's going through the heads of ever super cool Asian waifu you've swiped on thinking something might happen

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/1qc3pvc/deleted_by_user/

>ok i didn’t explain what i wanted since i know y’all redditors would blow it up, but since idc anymore…here:
>Korean-Canadian (like me)
>my age or older
>goes to the gym (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BUFF??? NO NEED FOR 6 pack/6ft??? do y’all even think they would even look at me, like be so fr)
>gentleman
>taller than me (i’m 5’5 so 5’6 and above)

>Here to say that “successful” to me is getting an actual relationship out of this but i think i’m giving up. I’ve been on the apps since I was 18 and still nothing…i’m giving up and gonna try to find someone organically cause captain…i’m tired now

>true, i just wanted to announce that i’m giving up on dating officially at least for the next couple years. (i wanted to point out that even with a profile with a bio and decent variety of pics…will still not find success). i’ll get my diploma and then maybe i’ll find someone. i will now drop my standards cause you told me to do so
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>>533338704
What do you think will happen next? Controlled demolition of economy, CBDC, regional war, potential breakup of unions including the USA?

In other words:
1. Is civilization in roughly its current form going to survive?
2. Are people going to give up or do something about this?
3. Would efforts focused on women change this?
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>>533325860
>snare a ‘high-value’ man
Failed from the start. If they don't drop their standards they will never get a relationship
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>>533338158

I agree with the notion of mastery and every man having a master but for me the only philosophical vehicle to not be betrayed by your master is to use an external absolute moral authority. Not to be the master yourself or you end up with an ego mirror situation. Or that even the greatest man of self mastery can't not take a shit.

My master cannot be touched and offers not a contract but a covenant I offer him nothing but a yes within and get pure objective moral clarity in return and do not suffer the effects of life's sine waves.

I will never ever bend my knee to anyone except my lord. I accept zero earthly authority over my spirit.

But that's just me, I'm by no means shading on anyone else's journey or choice of master. I don't speak on behalf of anyone else nor wish to and do not hold any qualifications for judgement.

I admit I only skimmed the interview at 2x so will give it the consideration it deserves in time.
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>>533338534
>but seriously if you are just a normal 5/10 guy and have any dating app accounts I cannot stress hard enough that you just have to delete that shit and stop worrying about women
We're currently at the point where guys like picrel are no longer good enough for the likes of
>>533336673
and no one really wants to ask any of the hard-hitting questions as to how this happened
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>>533325860
Not my concern.
What irks me still is that they have not created the environment yet, where average men are not feeling like being taken for a fool since the day of their birth.


Women are basically the damsel with an infinite flamethrower.
Rape brides, war brides.
They are living life sincere since we started to love them more than we do God and set them free.

The vast majority of men worship pussy to the point their greatest meaning in life is to be a male anglerfish, calling it fate or tradition.
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>>533339709
>actually puts his pronouns on his dating profile
Honestly doing way more harm than good to yourself.
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>>533328140
>women are the ones who need commitment
Lmfao boomer, women have easier, higher paying jobs on average. They don’t need marriage outside of being temporarily performative status and novelty. Women have made government devalue a man’s role in relationships, while protecting themselves. Why is it exactly that prostitution is still banned in the supposed “most free country on earth”, but not onlyfans. Marriage is pointless, doubly so for men. If your opinion is otherwise it’s because you’re 55+.
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>>533339576
>pure objective moral clarity
pure subjective cope
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>>533338798
LOL, you fucking transparent kike, you can't even go with, "It is obviously the jews, but it is also xxxxxxxxxxxx"
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>>533337235
>Society grants welfare to illegal minorities and civil rights
>Part of this welfare is subsidized housing
>For literal monkey people that will never produce anything
>Boomers afk in their house which is skyrocketing in value because they won't stop importing inbreds and massive economic turmoil
>Now the country is full of inbreds and property is unaffordable, but the global state needs to keep up appearances that it didnt just collapse in a single lifetime so it keeps paying the boomers and the welfare while the state prints infinite money
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>>533339709
Dude in that picture is a blatant homosexual. He should be on grindr.
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>>533339917
I'm not gargling catholic cock, so it's easy for me to not view the world in terms of retarded spiritually-derived schizophrenia.

Here, a bit of truth for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNFWf2kLirE
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>>533339790
Bumble went for the generic shitlib theme, so it does this automatically unless you specifically tell it not to, and considering women will message you there just to scream at your lack of a 'politics' section, any dude that just wants pussy at the bare minimum will play by their rules, it's why women went apeshit over the femcel ads - they knew they were being called-out for ruining the shit to the point of dumping the women-message-first gimmick

>>533339970
Again, Bumble-types, which is why their Women-first motto did not fucking work even at launch, women don't want to message first, and they want to message guys that respectfully want them to message first
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>>533329227
>this is just how women are
Yeah that’s a shit argument and total cope cooked up by redpill incels running from the reality that they actually have 0 agency with women. Women are adults and responsible for their own actions completely, to suggest anything else is pure simping for shit behavior.
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>>533340269
>they knew they were being called-out for ruining the shit to the point of dumping the women-message-first gimmick
This will never not be hilarious to me. The fact that this was their selling point to remove it for being too stressful really accentuates just how incapable women are at "living like men" to even the most microscopic degree.>>533340269
>they knew they were being called-out for ruining the shit to the point of dumping the women-message-first gimmick
This will never not be hilarious to me. The fact that this was their selling point to remove it for being too stressful really accentuates just how incapable women are at "living like men" to even the most microscopic degree.
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>>533340311
>to suggest anything else is pure simping for shit behavior.
I'd argue it's the opposite. Saying women are the way they are and they cannot be blamed for it is the basis of justifying why they need to be in the dominion of a man, and why men are the ones that are supposed to lead societies.
If you absolve women of blame while supporting their autonomy, then I'd agree that's some faggot ass simp shit though.
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>>533326167
What the fuck are you even talking about lmao.
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>>533339576
Do you think original or true Christianity was an answer to existentialism? Seems like you're framing it that way.

In other words, moderns model existentialism as the response to a need developed from the loss of christianity, but they are looking at Catholic christianity, not whatever idea you're referring to. They're missing that christianity was an answer to the problem created by its loss.

>Not to be the master yourself or you end up with an ego mirror situation.
>Or that even the greatest man of self mastery can't not take a shit.

Can you explain these? I think I am in one of these situations. Can't get out.
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How does anyone still care about this shit in 2026? Learn to picrel.

>>533338534
LOL. I never used that for more than a week because I have this thing called "self respect". What were you thinking?

>>533339730
Male anglerfish are a sort of parasite to the female. I guess women will consider it a good analogy, but I don't think that's what you meant.
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>>533339381

The only real solution out with a demographic yo-yo and all the trappings that comes with. Is rather simple;

2.1 children but have the first one young and wait 8/10 years for second and again for third. All long lived mammals do this on their own scale, elephants and dolphins is roughly 6 years. Or be thrown back a level

I'm an optimist at heart, humanity always finds a way and people at their deepest level all do want to get along and have harmony. Just need a crisis in there face to spur them on.

The system will crack before all the boomers are dead, it's mathematically not sustainable

1) generally social complexity goes hand in hand with a little regression elsewhere while you normalise, so we will stagnate and even regression elsewhere, like people will remember when cunts used to give 90 year olds MRIs but have no access when they are 90

2) already happening, young men are giving up and they drive the economy. They sit ready at the bargaining table as the superior party but must wait for the other inferior to work it's way to it

3) women are like anyone with little man syndrome, follow from the front. All these girl bosses act like they could have a family if they wanted to. They are desperate inside but won't go against the direction of the herd.
Soon as you hit critical limits and changes happen they will change direction instantly all saying they were for it all along and were leaders of it as per.

You can speak to them, I've advised 9 so far and they all have children with the next man they met and disengaged from the labour market significantly. Just need articulated to on their terms, association and emotion.

> There is a baby out their who wants to love you with all its heart, stop looking for men who will do that for you
> You would be happier and better off being a welfare queen unless you have a degree
> Old men and old people won't love you and will make you feel as bad as being pumped and dumped in time

Among other such things.
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>>533340608
>No hook-ups and men must pay: inside the femosphere
I think he's zeroing in on this one. Specifically the "no hook-ups" part. Though this message will only resonate with the women that have been pumped and dumped too many times, instead of telling younger women to be more careful with who they have sex with.
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>>533325860
who gives a shit. men should check out completely and let women to their own. women suffer far more being without commitment. it won't be long before man will be accosted by multiple women trying to get dick on his way to local market to buy some cigs
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>>533340784
Good solution, bad diagnosis and prognosis. You shouldn't even consider if women are suffering or not. Just opt out for your own sanity's sake and don't mind the consequences to anyone but yourself.
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>>533340702
>LOL. I never used that for more than a week because I have this thing called "self respect". What were you thinking?
I'm a millennial who stepped into adulthood believing everythingnI was told, and right as the social media revolution began, and right as the 2008 crisis happened. Yes I was naive, of course I know that now, but at the beginning a ton of us all believed that what the boomers told us was real because the new reality hadn't sunk in yet.
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>>533341144
Weren't those apps functional in the early days? I'm a zoom-zoom so I never stood a chance. Not that I care because I stopped wanting it when I realized that man is the nigger of the world.
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>>533332057
Very well put. This nigga knows his whores.
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>>533340701

To measure anything objectively you need an external absolute. In the material world and physics we use the speed of light, that is the fastest anything can move in a vacuum.

Christ requires no dogma, you can take it purely as hypothesis if you can think abstractly enough. That a moral absolute is the highest hypothetical moral act. The best current example would be to live a sinless life, be betrayed and then dies so that all other may be saved.

And it's just that, your own hand is flawed, if you claim your own hand is the measure you are just speaking in relatives. Self mastery is to define ones hand in absolute terms

I have no other lord, I am not a Christian and accept no collective or individual authority over me. I utilise an external absolute. Many examples have been tried but Christ is superior to them in terms of philosophical technology. Maybe we will find something faster than the speed of light. But the best tool we have just now is the speed of light to measure against.

Subjective internal relative - atheism - your own hand

Collective external relative - politics and religions - an agreed hand or weight

Objective external absolute - Christ on the cross - speed of light

I know that deviates from the conversation slightly but it's just in reference to authority and mastery and where one derives that from.
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>>533325860
Dating is for school kids and leftover losers. Any woman who does dates as a hobby is a slut. Any man who lowers himself to meet such a woman is a simp with zero self-respect. Plain and simple. I never went on a date in my life because I'm not playing rigged games with shitty prices. I met my first wife in the university library, told her I think she's cute and asked her if she wants to come grocery shopping with me, because I had to go anyway. It was awkward and fun and we met again next day. No $80 dinner, no compatibility check lists, no retarded tiktok bullshit. Just spending time together.
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>>533332057

They are and it's the best arguement against man hating.

Men are to women as women are to children. So any woman saying men treat women poorly has to provide a comparator which measures against the weight of;

- more babies aborted in the last 100 years and corpses desecrated than people have died in wars in all of human history

- 75% of women survived the titanic Vs 40% of children

- plummeting life outcomes amongst children by every measure

I say to them, you have presided over the biggest degredation in quality of life for children in all of human history, butchered in the womb en masse, whereas by my brother's hands you women have seen the greatest leap in quality of life in all of human history. I will not take one single complaint off of someone so utterly disgusting and ugly as to ignore the cries of a baby simply to hen peck a man about how terrible life is for a woman under his rule.
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>>533341305
They were slightly better but still a shit. A guy who would get one match a month now would have gotten maybe 5 matches and a dinner date with a 3 that he would've gotten immediately ghosted by after.
The ghosting is a funny thing. Women actually ghosted like crazy on the apps back then before we even had a word for ghosting. I actually like just started assuming that it was normal and if I wasn't feeling it with a match, I started to just unmatch them without saying anything because I thought that was just normal. Months later is when I began hearing women complain about this "ghosting" thing like it was some criminal act that only men did.
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>>533341666

You had a degree and soft hands, fuck other guarantees does she need?

> dear diary I'm so pretty and all the other girls are ugly
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>>533339709
The order of dating apps is Hinge/Tinder >>>>>>>> Bumble (leftover femcels and post wall roasties)

NEVER use bumble
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>>533341431
Subjective internal relative = your own hand -> reverts to existential crisis
Collective external relative = agreed hand or weight -> reverts to psychological warfare
Objective external absolute = speed of light -> inspires humility to truth, inspires improvement (learning more truth), and power structures can be audited

I think there is a trick embedded in what you're doing. It seems a little disingenuous to believe in Christ but not Christianity (even some odd branch of it), which implies as you stated, that you have knowledge of its technological purpose.

Christ as forgiveness for imperfection means imperfection cannot be used by others to create collective external relative. It forces everyone to have complete direct access to truth.

I don't believe in morals other than "what works" + "how I want things to be" (which is what makes me not a psychopath... because I don't want to be one). So, I cannot really believe in an absolute moral code, because what works could differ for different people and how I want things to be is obviously my own feeling.

This would make me vulnerable to the collective external relative, and I could simply hope that 'the good guys win' or whatever, but it's always the strongest that win. I could simply try to align my moral code to be "stronger = better", but as I said, I'm not a psychopath.

However, I can still conceptualize an absolute moral authority which doesn't have to reveal all of its inner workings or be 100% consistent from place to place or person to person. I think conceptualizing it as an entity grants it existence, whereas not doing so can slippery slope itself back into nonexistence.

To try to wrap this up, it seems like you are asserting that _moral_ authority creates spaces for the discovery of all sorts of truth. As otherwise, it descends into the gratification and self-worship that both the religious and non-religious accuse of each other.

If you have better words for this, lmk. Thanks for sharing.



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