>provides shade for cars, pedestrians, customers, and employees>generates electricity for the power grid>charge EVs>signficiantly reduces operational costs for nearby buildings & businesses, which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employees and redistribute fundings to other needs of the companySo why is this a bad thing, besides the fact that it's anti-capitalistic & anti-semitic because it doesn't exploit people for profit
>>533338954>may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employees and redistribute fundings to other needs of the companyGEGGGGGG
>>533338954Maintenance is a bitch, which is an excuse to reduce employee benefits or increase prices even if the benefits outweigh it. Corporations have a legal duty to profitmax. If overhead can be reduced, then they must pocket the difference or consider something like a stock buyback.
>>533339387> Maintenance is a bitchWtf are you talking about? That shit needs near zero maintenance.
>>533338954Car infrastructure was lobbied by Jews in order to hurt society, not help it.
>>533339387>>533338954Its bad because brain dead morons have been completely mind fucked by 70+ years of fossil fuel industry propaganda to think that anything other than burning liquid dinosaurs is simply an unacceptable way to generate power.That is literally all there is to it. These people dont think. Most of them havent even graduated high school. They just hear whatever bullshit the corporate sponsored talking heads tell them and repeat it back.Youd think oil prices jumping around like crazy because of the war would be a wake up call. You'd think they would wonder why every war weve fought since 'Nam has been about oil. But they dont.Because they are retarded.
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thing, besides the fact that it's anti-capitalistic & anti-semitic because it doesn't exploit people for profitAlthough I support shaded parking, and if there is going to be solar anywhere...carports would be the preferred space. HOWEVER...1) Solar is incredibly polluting. The amount of oil necessary to mine, let alone refine, the materials and get them to market is HUGE, and worst...it's all up front. Front loading all pollution is far worse than spreading it out, and allowing natural courses to address it. Kind of like a drop of oil into a river does not harm the river as dumping truckloads of oil.2) Incredibly inefficient way to produce power. Not only do soalr panels NEVER produce the rated output, but they only produce in ideal situations..which is minimal hrs out of the day, days out of the month, months out of the year.3) EXPENSIVE! And EVs suck..no one wants them anymore, because they were just a retarded fad. Which reminds us just how polluting solar/EV is.4) Kikes are deep into it's regulation and subversive degenerate effects. Who the fuck are you trying to trick?!!OPINION: I'd rather have beautiful trees, and carports made of flowering vines over gazeebo trelusses. I would rather see more greenery, than concrete. More parks. And zero Niggers, Poos, and Kikes.
>>533338954Hail plus toxic solar panels, hard pass.
>>533338954I'm not gonna be the one to shovel snow off those bitches. Indians won't do it either because they're above manual labor.
>>533339600That would be nice, but no. Solar panels need a lot of maintenance, and they must remain clean and clear or they lose efficiency fast. They're great out in the desert where birds mostly don't shit on them, the weather is stable, and maintenance men can just drive right up and work on them from the ground.
>>533339387>Maintenance is a bitchGood thing pv doesn't require maintenance
>>533339876We will have robots shovel snow off using ladders. You are fired Johnson.
>>533339600Someone is going to have to clean the thousands of solar panels per city. Now multiply that by 20,000 cities.
>>533339876You can just leave it. Snow melts eventually by itself.
>>533338954Makes sense to me. You know what they did in my neighborhood? Bulldozed thousands of acres of trees and wildlife, Burnt them all, and installed a solar farm so corporations can buy cheap power. Green energy amirite? Now they are installing fiber optical because they want us to pay them to connect to a data center. This place is no longer rural. Eat shit corpos. We won't forget.
>>533338954what's the ROI?
>>533340026>Someone is going to have to cleanJust keep them at a slight angle and they clean themselves. Also, a bit of dust doesn't significantly reduce power output. It's fine.
>>533340179depends
>>533338954Why the fuck are they flat?
>>533340428More surface area. Why wouldn't they be flat?
>>533338954>Be solar panel>Be black>Absorb sun rays and contribute to global warming
>>533338954>which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employees and redistribute fundings to other needs of the companygoy of the year award for you
>>533340026Add a self cleaning hose to it you technologically illiterate cuck
>>533339802This. Putting cheap solar panels over land that don't need sunligt (or benefit from lack of it, like parking lots) is a no brainer.
>>533339749You need to go back to plebbit, you massive nigger faggot retard.
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thingIve heard people say solar is very damaging to the environment to make, only last ten years and can't be recycled
>>533339600don't argue with these literal retards. southwest niggers can't even figure out nuclear power like the midwest or east coast.
>>533340491>achmed doesn't understand math and anglesgoatfucker detected
>>533340646It's true, migger. Just look who owns all the car companies in America.
>>533340666>Ive heard people sayYou've been lied to.
>>533340179my UNISOLAR panels could handel a car drive on them (yes i did this), made in America, untill Obama proomoted solar. Gone in months to China like all the factorys he visited and payed outlandish money to.,,,they worked 20% when covered in 3 inchs snow and overcast.,ROI in less then 3 years.
>>533339854>toxicthat would be a part of ROIbut nobody ever answers the question what the ROI is.a few breakdowns i've seen from local counties and locales who put these up in public spaces (schools, public parking lots, etc.) are subsidized so it's impossible to tell.otherwise, it's very nice, cools down the area a lot, provides off-grid electric, adds more to the grid, yada-yada.but again it's a complex equation.
because it will likely be built using public money but the californian government will then raise taxes somewhere else to offset the losses from the electrical grid.t. live in a blue state where I literally have to pay a road use tax because I don't buy as much gas because my car is a hybrid lmaoAnd I literally work remotely so I get fucked twice because I'm literally not using the road for work.You are a nigger and all your proposals are lies to make my life harder.
>>533340002is that it? cleaning? get some dumbasses who'd otherwise be on welfare and voila you solved two problems.can you come up with other issues?
>>533340496>Absorb sun rays and contribute to global warmingThe difference in sun energy that would have been reflected back into space unobstructed by the parking lot compared to solar panels lot is very negligible compared to the additional heat created by any form of fossil electricity generation.
>>533338954Wouldn't work where I live we get golf ball sized hail storms once or twice a year.
>>533340305Of course it does.Anyhow, most opinions here are emotionally charged knee-jerk NPC-tier reactions, not actual arguments or rational discussion points.
>>533339802A lot of times they try to couch it like they just don't like electric vehicles and prefer internal combustion, but they snuffed out natural gas cars, too. It's all inorganic bullshit pushed by oil companies.
>>533340745>It's trueof course it's true that you have to self-deport back to plebbit, shitbag.
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thingRural communities have the space to put solar panels as is. Urban communities have to endure urban communities.>>533340684>dump water>wipe it offThis is how third worlders bathe and why everyone looks at you when they smell something unpleasant.
>>533340812>ROI in less then 3 yearsI'm pretty sure residential is a tad different from even municipal scale, but without numbers these are just words.
>>533338954>destroyed by first hail storm>ripped off and sold for precious metals salvage by niggers within 5 minuets
>>533341206>>dump water>>wipe it offhave you ever tried to clean up even a day worth of baked on urban dust and soot?
>>533338954FUCK OFF ELON KYS DORK
>>533341206>Rural communities have the space to put solar panels as isAnd this is why we hate you and look at you through high powered scopes.
>>533339802fossil? interesting take.do you think oil is just burned? really?
>>533338954>gets torn apart by feral shitskins and methheads for electronic componentsGreat idea OPEVs are also for faggots
>>533339600>Near zero mantiannce Brother how ofen do you need to go and clear off the top of a car port? Ill give you a spoiler, never. How often do you think you will need to go and clear it off and wash those pannels so that they actually work? Second spoiler, solar panels loose a massive amount of their effectiveness in a very short amount of time. It would not generate enough power to really power anything of worth for long enough, and to be cost effective enough.The only way that solar power is really effective is as a supplementary power supply on a small scale, you are better off getting a standing wind turbine but even that has less power. The best renewable power source would be hydro power, as even a small hydro generator can generate a LOT of energy. The real trick though is you need storage. If you actually wanna capture the most outta renewable energy sorces you need to capture them into a battery bank and then drain the battery bank just to fill it back up.
>>533341485>How often do you think you will need to go and clear it off and wash those pannels so that they actually work?Is this actually a real problem, though? With all the unemployment, underemployment, etc. it seems like a good gig.
>>533341485>How often do you think you will need to go and clear it off and wash those pannels so that they actually work?Never>solar panels loose a massive amount of their effectiveness in a very short amount of timeNo they don't
>>533339802You do understand that the oil industry is not just gas right? EVERYTHING runs off of oil, everything, including but not limited to.>Gas>Roads>Tires>Makeup>Cellphone>Computers>Furneture >Gasquets>Sports equipmentI could keep going on but basically anything that has plastic or rubber? Congrants, thats going to be oil related. Anything that has to do with most gases? Also Oil related. Oil is the black gold that runs the world. You dont need to find just a replacement of a fuel source, you need to find a replacement of EVERY FUCKING THING.
>>533340717Sun doesn't shine uniformly from all angles you fucking retard. The most efficient solar panels have actuators to adjust their tilt depending on the time of day.
>>533341654Fuck you too RWS nigger.
>>533338954>which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employeesHah!
>>533340944>just hire two winos to clean your fragile $50,000 carport roofwell thats certainly one option
>>533341485Are you clinically retaded or just do not go out of your basement? Mall parking lots are maintained and cleaned constantly, especially during snow or rain but also in summer when there is too much dust.
>>533341654Excuse me RWE renewables, nigger
>>533341670>basically anything that has plastic or rubber? Congrants, thats going to be oil related.Polyethylene is made from ethane which is an almost unwanted byproduct of natural gas. Doesn't depend on oil.
>>533341670All the things you wrote is max 7% of all oil consumed. Rest is energy and fuel. The same with coal.
>>533338954Would be great to put them on existing parking lots.Unfortunately they want them all on farmland.
>>533341670this sounds like a material whose supply should be extended as far into the future as possible, and shouldn't be used frivolously.
>>533341206>Rural communities have the space to put solar panels as is.No, we don't, fuck off. Go trash cities and burbs, don't touch our pastoral lands with your dirty hairy jew paws.
>>533338954It makes a glare for the Jewish spy satellites.
>>533341752Have you ever heard of tools, monke?
>>533341941That's OK though right? We don't need farmland or wildlife as long as only a few people and corporations benefit from solar farms on rural land. Why don't they just put them at a fucking airport?
>>533341670>GasquetsNigga stop posting, kek. Also, no.
>>533342107As all Black South Africans know, food comes from the Spar. Not the rural land
>>533338954>Cost of manufacturing panels >Cost of installing them>Cost of maintenance >If conditions are perfect you might pay it off in 20 years>In 10 years panels are degraded and need to be completely replaced
>>533338954>significantly reduces operational costs for nearby buildings & businesses, which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employees and redistribute fundings to other needs of the companyBecause you live in fantasy land. Employers are not going to ever do this lmao holy fuck. Even in the most socalist country on earth this wouldn't happen.
>>533341223But the fact that people already install solar panels on their roofs and manage to make that work in their favor already proves that its plausible. If anything, you'd expect it to work more efficiently at a larger scope due to economies of scale.
>>533341223#s,,,each 135 watt panel cost $125 delivered from Amazon,,,grid tie inverter cost $120,,kilowatt meter 20$,,thick wire recycled., instalation time 2 hours including buying tacos for friends.,,count hours till payback,,about 31 months.,and rated for over thirty years.,,,,,my first UniSolar 64watt panels from 1996 have moved many times including a month long dunk in ditch (wash off work great).,,working on a roof Still Today!
because big oil will lose profitslobby jews kvetching
>>533341941>>533342107Actually in China where they put PVs on desert it made it green under PVs due to less sun scorching ground. So it is not like you will get less farmland with PVs. If you put it right you might get more.
>>533342175Shut the fuck up and go drink some tea faggot.
>>533342201>>In 10 years panels are degraded and need to be completely replacedNo, they are not. They loos like 30% of they capability. Still 70% works. That's like usual human worker capability loss.
>>533339600Cars produce polution, ties break down and produce particulates, this creates dust, dust covers solar panels reducing their effectiveness. Now you need someone to clean them, only it is more difficult to clean panels in a car park than a different space. This shit is a Reddit thing of: >Cover car parks.But the truth is that it is still best to put solar panels where they can be more easily maintained.
>>533342259It's a scam.>$30,000 for roof solar panels>can't run it separate and has to go into the grid. >power company still charges you a residential fee and they send you a check for peanuts after they already bill you every month.
>>533338954Do away with parking lots in general, and move towards green spaces and multi level (preferably underground) parking garages. Half of your average city is massively underusing their space, and income feneration per acre. Massive tracts of land devoted to soulless parking lots that are only 40% full all day baking in the sun. You could 2-5x the living space, 2x the business space, and not even expand the city. Massive green parkland with high-tech features and services surrounding a dense and connected town.Peak humanity is simply waiting to be achieved while a bunch of cuckolds who use their big trucks to get groceries and fuck eachother in the ass. are fighting tooth and nail to prevent this from happening. You are the cause of urban sprawl and western degeneracy.
>>533342275Yeas because 100 year old trees can grow under solar panels... shut up retard I'm not talking about the desert
>>533339387What maintenance? Here in Greece we have solar panels everywhere and they have zero maintenance.
>>533342201>Cost of manufacturing panelsVery cheap due to economy of scale>Cost of installing themVery simple process but fair.>Cost of maintenancebasically 0>If conditions are perfect you might pay it off in 20 yearsThat's far from ideal conditions. 20 year ROI could still be worth it though depending on the economy.>In 10 years panels are degraded and need to be completely replacedThat's not true.
>>533342347>nly it is more difficult to clean panels in a car park than a different space.It is really not hard to replace your typical cleanign machine with water jet to cleaning machine with water jet and elevated platform.I can tell you are low IQ subhuman because you couldn't have think of it.
>>533342524you can gow bushed under PVs. And there is plenty of fruit that grow in bushes you uneducated moron. And the trees that last over 100 years usually bare no edible fruit. So why would I care abut them?
>>533342347>Now you need someone to clean them, only it is more difficult to clean panels in a car park than a different space.couldn't this be handled with some stairs and few narrow walkways just so guys can get up there and use a low pressure wash?
>>533339600>Complex electrical installations need zero maintenance These are the people telling you that you don't need farms because all the food comes from supermarkets.
>>533338954Public Schools, Colleges and Universities have that now in socal.
>>533342928These are not really complex electrical instalations. The complex instalation is the capacitor not the panel. And of course memelfag post this shit.
>>533339387Is it harder to do maintenance in a paved parking lot than in a former farm field?
>>533339600>paying someone to clean them once a month The status quo is reducing economic opportunities not providing new jobs
>>533342694Fuck you too nigger. They plant trees aroun solar farms after they cut them all down and burn them. Just because china put some in the desert doesn’t mean we should do that here. Kill yourself your traitorous filth for wanting to kill off all the old growth. Hope a tree falls on your fucking head and kills you for your retarded think.
>>533340578>just add plumbing into the equationChrist you guys live on another planet.
>>533343433Yes you should not use desert to gather sun energy which is completely unused anyways to gather ennegry because... well because "fuck you nigger". Damn how stupid can mutts be?
>>533343616They are not building them in the desert here you useless jew fuck. They are cutting down old growth to build solar farms. How do you not comprehend what the fuck I am saying?
>>533343758I do not care what jews do in your jewed country you fucking nigger. I tell you how it should look like and where you can build these without problems to utilize unused lands.
20 square miles of panels near Blythe Ca.,,,desert rain BLASTS!
>>533343964I still hope a tree kills you. So we are good, kike
>>533340026>brings back the average working window cleaner>the jew hates this
>>533343974>gets so hot it melts the panels
>>533338954Niggers
>>533343295Any system more complex then a rock requires maintenance. >PolandMaybe Russia is right about you guys. You should let them rule over you.
>>533343974This is good news for the people who live in the area and it is also good news for the desert tortoises who also inhabit the Nevada deserts. Solar farms in Nevada actually provide a better habitat for the reptiles due to improved growth of the plants they need to survive >>533344239fag.
homeless people are going to steal the charging cables
People screeching about maintenance here don't realize how trivial it is to put an automated cleaning system right on top of stuff like this.The fact it isn't standardized is the issue, not that it cannot be done.Be the person in your local area to make an automated solar panel cleaning setup for companies and you'll make bank.Sell maintenance for said automated systems and you've got regular income for the lifetime of those panels / company.A self-healing cleaning system can last a solid year without maintenance, and that's just the cheap-end and ignoring freak failures that are present in every industry, even high-testing environments like medical and military.You're literally speaking an on-rails rack cleaner that just slides over with a panel-height-sized duster.Duster goes to a docking station at the end, gets ultrasonic blasted to clean off debris build-up, gets re-lubed on rotation, sensors calibrated if need be as well.Built at an angle, solid debris build-up on top of the panels isn't possible, so you're only left with particulate matter build-up on a tiny scale, not enough to be super abrasive.The panels and the installation would likely outlast the company that placed them there.A camera on the rig could detect major defects on surfaces, such as cracks due to incidents with damage from large objects.Any time you see a system that has some maintenance requirement and your thoughts are "lol can't work needs maintenance" instead of "I could make money off that", it only shows you're a fucking brainlet and you are NGMI.
>>533344596Rat kike
>>533344104Talk shit about jews and say thing about free unjewed energy source. Get called by circumicesd mutt a jew. Every single time. KYS.>>533344558And? You are already doing maintenance.You sound like a fucking paesant who was ctrying about cars replacing horses. Muh maintenance and fuel!!!111also KYS low IQ subhuman.>>533344663Also this. You are fucking low IQ scum if you do not understand what bong wrote here.
>>533339827Coal is worse. More polluting. Less efficient. Highly subsidised. And owned by kikes
>>533344828The fact is you don't know how jews operate around here. You are acting like them. As long as it isn't built in your backyard right??? And be honest, you like the abuse. Little bitch.
>>533338954This is literally communism you fucking tranny
>>533344946I do not care about jews you jew worshipping circumcised nigger. I am talking about solar energy.
>>533338954>destroyed after first hail stormworks in Cuckrope or maybe some parts of PNW or New England
>>533340578whos going to maintain the hoses? wheres all the water going to come from?
>>533338954If it is financially worthwhile, I don't see people not doing it.Might be less desirable, due to all the shadow.But probably fine in some carparks.
>>533344735>Rat kikeOOOhay, no reason to get nasty.,,,offgrid is the Least banker thing.,,,rooftop solar for the win.,
>>533345012Solar energy is a jew scam. You sensitive bitch. Go sit under a tree and appreciate it. They use solar energy too.
>>533345229Fuck off Cali faggot. Go suck some more dick
>>533345246mmmm,,solartrees.
>>533345246>Solar energy is a jew scam.So how the fuck do I get energy from PV to reply to you fucking low IQ subhuman who should be exterminated for being uneducated fuckin retard?
>>533338954>anti-capitalistic & anti-semiticIm confused, you said the same thing twice in a row?>>533339027This is also a pipe dream, this never happen, they just pocket the savings unless they are forced to give the money to workers by unions or government.
>>533345378Because you bought Chinese goods? Just like a jew.
>>533340002>desertStopped reading at this word youre a literal retard who knows nothing, sand is one of the most damaging thing to these panels and in the desert they are being pelted with sand particles 24/7 365.
>>533345364Now throw yourself in there jew
>>533345460>Because you bought Chinese goods? And they work according to laws of physics, so what is the issue here?>Just like a jew.You are more jewed than I will ever be fucking mutt. Anywasy Jews would not buy chinese PVs but sell PVs to uneducated nigger mutts like you in forest areas.Just KYS subhuman.
>>533338954is the update that caused all the problems a few days ago the reason we're seeing tons of redd!t tier threads and posts now?
>>533341670Okay, so switch over the renewable sources for energy consumption and save all the oil for everything else you just listed. Simple as.
>>533345612Fuck off nigger. I will say what I want and you will take it like a bitch. Hope your battery explodes too. Or maybe it will just burn your shit down one day :^)
>>533345156Have you never heard of CaaS? (Cleaning as a Service)Who the fuck do you think maintains all the shit you interact with? You think it just gets magically fixed by the fixing fairies?People get hired to maintain shit all the damn time, it ain't rocket surgery champ.
>>533345503>throw yourself in there jewjews do burn so clean,,,no ashs.,>>533342261heres my numbers.,,,indestructable Unisolar is no longer made?, now THATS J!
>>533342201What about all the costs associated with oil? Drilling, transporting, refining, etc. None of those are free either, and the price people pay can fluctuate wildly due to world events.
Why not just split a few atoms and provide electricity for all those things so we can just build regular parking lots and roofs?
>>533342610Guess what anon? You're in a carpark. Yes, you can use an elevated platforms to clean things. But again:>Cars create more dust/grime.>You have to work around the times the carpark is not in use to clean it.So it is simpler to put it somewhere else. And you thought I was retarded when you couldn't understand this basic shit.>>533342733Yes BUT cars produce more dust meaning you have to clean it more often. This whole problem is eliminated just by putting it somewhere else.
>>533345751>Fuck off nigger. I will say what I want and you will take it like a bitch.Of coure you will keyboard warrior. It will just make you look like a fucking loser, because you are uneducated retard.>Hope your battery explodes too. Or maybe it will just burn your shit down one day :^)Oh noes, the technology can fail. Oh voe is me what will I do with that... probably will call maintenance serives...
>>533345991They are scared of nuclear power so they support the jew "clean energy" scam. Even though all this shit is produced and maintained with oil anyway.
>>533338954THIS IS GENIUS WHY ISNT EVERY ROOF MADE OUT OF SOLAR PANELS?! HOW DID NOBODY THINK OF THIS BEFORE?! AND HEAR ME OUT: SOLAR PANELED SIDEWALKS AND ROADS!
>>533346079You could just fuck off though. But you persist in being a butt hurt little bitch so you have to respond back to get the last word... you fool nobody kike
>>533338954*blocks your path*
>>533346058>Cars create more dust/grime.Yes, even the CO2 bullshit is bullshit compared to how much pollution tire and breaks grinding make. I am all for homework.>So it is simpler to put it somewhere else.No. Park is still maintained. So it is easier to have maintenance team nearby. Unless you do big plant on desert, then you have to have maintenance people around 24/7.> And you thought I was retarded when you couldn't understand this basic shit.Maybe look in the mirror sometimes.
>>533346278This. That farm wasn't here for the last BAD hail storm. It will be decimated.
>>533346223I think Elon tired to sell solar roofs.
>>533346119see>>533345736
>>533339827electric cars work fine in china and northern europe
>>533346378Make an electric bulldozer? Good luck.
>>533338954>charge EVsat what rate lolif those roofs were capable of charging that many cars by a non-insignificant amount every EV would have a solar panel up top
>>533346079>battery explodesi love this fud,,lead/acid lives on and on,,,then gets recycled at 97% rate into NEW batterys., 3% get tosed in the ocean.>>533346322i drove my CAR over my panels before install.,worked great. Hail just scrubed off bird poops.
>>533346483No problem, if plugged to high voltage line.You are really an uneducated dumbfuck.>t. mechanical engineer who designs units with high voltage electric motors
>>533338954Someone is making money selling those and installing them. It's peak crony capitalism.
>>533346499Ok you are just full of shit. I saw an airstream be smashed in like a sode can from the hail around here. Your pea sized shit in the desert or wherever the fuck you are hiding isn't the same.
>>533346290>how much pollution tire and breaks grinding makeAnd that is precisely my point.>No. Park is still maintained. So it is easier to have maintenance team nearby. Unless you do big plant on desert, then you have to have maintenance people around 24/7.Why are we going around in these circles? You admit cars produce dust and pollution -> having solar panels near the source of this dust means they have more dust -> therefore they have to be cleaned more often. So yes, having them not near the source of dust/pollution means they can be cleaned less often and are more efficient.>Unless you do big plant on desertWhether it is a big plant or not, having them in other locations is superior to carparks. Carparks are simply not an efficient usage of them. You can hook them up to batteries for storage, you can fit in more batteries somewhere where you're not confined in how much space you can use.>Maybe look in the mirror sometimes.You're the retarded faggot defending some Reddit image about using heckin' solar panels in carparks when we can just as easily put them somewhere else where they're easier to use and maintain.
>>533339827>3) EXPENSIVE! And EVs suck..no one wants them anymore, because they were just a retarded fad. Which reminds us just how polluting solar/EV is.not true at all, they are selling like crazy all over the world. the auto unions in ontario are really against them thoughremember anons, when you see movements for or against something, money is behind it, and not always the sellers of a product. quite often it's labour unions and professional associations with a lot of money to throw around at advertisers and politicians. for instance>nurse's union in ontario wants drug addicts all over the place because it means more work and memebers and therefore dues and influence to the union. real estate developers are also in on this>labour unions in the 1960's pushed lbj to ramp up the vietnam war; wall st was against this and invented antiwar hippies overnight. >the ama is the reason that americans don't have universal health care; wall st wants you to have it >prison guard unions in the us are the biggest anti cannabis voices out there. every anti weed thread is paid for>meat, fish and dairy associations paid for the new dietary guidelines to be published. muh solur no good>Solar panels typically last 25 to 30 years, with high-quality monocrystalline panels often reaching 35 to 40 years of operation. While they do not stop producing electricity abruptly after this period, their efficiency gradually declines, usually operating at 80% to 90% of original capacity after 25 years. >Although the "useful life" is generally considered 25 to 30 years, many systems continue generating electricity for decades longer, though the savings may diminish as output drops below practical levels for the home's energy needshttps://solar.huawei.com/en/blog/2024/lifespan-of-solar-panels/
>>533346587But you still need oil. And you haven't built shit. So shut the fuck up
>>533346223Kek I still remember SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS.Simple truth is if this meme energy actually worked people would be simply doing it. But they are not even with a full support and subsidies from governments.
>>533346223everybody should wear solar panel hats
>>533346667Stop the cleaning cope. Solar panels generally don't need cleaning.Put solar panels on a car park and use the electricity to charge EVs. It just makes sense, no stationary batteries needed.
Today I found out solar energy makes amerifats incessantly seethe
>>533346852No just RWE renewables. Use that gun on a solar panel.
>>533346667>And that is precisely my point.And I agreed with it, why you quote this shit?>-> having solar panels near the source of this dust means they have more dust -> therefore they have to be cleaned more often. So yes, having them not near the source of dust/pollution means they can be cleaned less often and are more efficient.It all ends up with calculating energy in and out. I do not think car pollution would polute these panels more than they generate energy.>Carparks are simply not an efficient usage of them.Well you have carparks rightnow which are used only to park cars and nothing else. Why we cannot make them more useful to generate energy?>when we can just as easily put them somewhere else where they're easier to use and maintain.I wrote about it in othr posts. Even putting PVs on desert needs maintenance eam to be on the spot 24/7 like in any other energy plant. Park lot PV could allow for more distributed energy network.Forgetting about insults and being retards. Really think about it calmly. Parking lot PV is just like home PV. Gives energy and is easy to maintain.
>>533339876they get hot and the snow meltsyou can also angle them so it comes off on its ownhttps://ca.renogy.com/blogs/emergency/how-does-snow-affect-solar-panels>>533340578how about a reservoir of windshield washer fluid, a small pump, and a wiper setup, powered by the solar panels? you're right, people are looking for reasons not to
>>533346922>Today I found out solar energy makes amerifats incessantly seethe>no just solar energy Smartest amerimutt
>>533347054I'm actually talking about the power company.. retard. Somebody builds this shit.
>why yes my car is solar powered
>>533346483If you want to focus on how it's impossible to completely eliminate oil use throughout society as a whole, go ahead because I'm sure you're right. But that doesn't mean we should never reduce our usage of it whenever it's possible. We can't make an electric bulldozer yet, but electric cars aren't an issue. I live in a region that's powered by water turbines in Niagara Falls. The only oil being used is to lubricate the gears, so nothing gets burned which results in far less pollution getting spewed out everywhere. My example probably doesn't work in your region, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to find some other solution to reduce oil usage. Not eliminate. Reduce.
>>533338954What happens when it snows two feet deep in a single night?
as a retard,,,even i can see the benefits of solar.,,,,,veggy oil power is AWESOME!
>>533339387I just throw my solar panels into fucking puddles and they are water proof, like straight into the mud, it literally washes off with a hose. How the fuck is it hard to maintain?
>>533347373https://www.rwe.com/en/
>>533344239Actually it gets really hot underneath so it becomes inhospitable for small animals and birds try to fly through and die
>>533341886Only for countries where natural gas is abundant like the US. In other countries ethylene is derived from naphta, which does come from oil
>>533347467I believe it. They put a stupid robot lawnmower around the panels around here. It doesn't work. They still use oil in all of their maintenance vehicles and tractors, Weed spray, everything. It's makes power specifically to sell to corporations at a lower cost. Does fuck all to benefit anyone but corporations
>"teens" vandalize or steal the solar panels
>>533347693Even losing some solar panels, they are so cheap that they cover themselves ten times over in California now.
>>533346852One day we will have electricity prices as cheap as yours....
>>533347373>https://www.rwe.com/en/looking at pivot sprinklers thinking of running power on them so no battery/direct drive farm tractors?,,round and round/
Wages are determined by what people will work for.
>>533338954>which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employeesLmfao this nigga
Rate my solar panel set upscreenshotted it because my camera takes pictures over 4mb
>>533347849Hope you get electrocuted
>>5333479091/10 would pee on.
>>533347909Racks SUCK pilled!,,,my first 5 years panels where leaned on a wall,,llamas kicked them but still working!,,,now on remote offgrid.
>>533348002My dog keeps doing that, I have to hose it off.Haven't paid power in 10 months though with battery use
>>533339387Maintenance isn’t a bitch. Stop being a conservative retard and repeating ridiculous propaganda. I don’t care about wind turbines because they’re ugly AF not because they kill birds, the birds thing is made up bullshit anyways. Solar car ports bother nobody unless you’re hopelessly retarded and low IQ. This left right bullshit is fake and gay. Both sides are retarded. Both sides worship jews. Go complain about lithium mines or something
>>533338954I want one for a patio.
>>533348147Smart dog
>>533347457Okay. And? The best I can gather is you posted this because you think "net-zero emissions" means to completely eliminate all fossil fuel emissions when really it means to resuce usage as much as we can and clean up the mess made in cases where emasions are unavoidable. I don't recall this applying to the other ways we use oil (such as plastics and lubricant) but maybe I missed something.I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people around here have trouble understanding nuance.
Wow,,,nuclear boy pissed at solar.,,,,back in the cage.
>>533348339No I already explained I hate these niggers because they built a solar farm in my backyard for cheap power for corporations. Not for the people.
>>533347909What's the size and how much do you get out of those? We used tiny 12"x3" panels for specialized motors
>>533348410Hope your horse kicks you in the head
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thing>dust>doesn't work at night>doesn't work when there are clouds>doesn't work when partially shaded>actually puts additional load on the grid, or sits idle most of the time when it actually can produce power
>>533338954I wouldn't have a problem with it but now that you've articulated it like a leftist redditor faggot, I hate them.
>>533348419>they built a solar farm in my backyardReally? In YOUR backyard?They didn't even compensate you for using YOUR property?Did they fill in your swimming pool in YOUR backyard to install another one?Is your dog unable to play in YOUR backyard now?Your kids can't play in YOUR backyard?Did your neighbors also wind up with them in THEIR backyards?
>>533338954Each one of those with 10 parking spots under it is barely enough to charge 1 car per day on a good day.That's the actual rub. Everyone else ITT is nosolar.
>>533348663Listen up Roo fucker... it's MY backyard. I have to see that shit just about everyday. We have their names and know who sold us out.
>>533348450400 watt, 12 bougerv bifacial They used to be on Amazon, but they upgraded the model to a better 400 watt now.
>>533348669let me ask AI,,,,A 10-car solar parking lot cover in Nevada (a high-sunlight area) can generate approximately 150 to 200+ kilowatt-hours (kWh) per day on average.
>>533348450I didn't answer the other part, so about 780 watts at once but I charge an ecoflow pro delta with it, so the storage plays a big role, you can get one for 1000 dollars now.
>>533348850>150 to 200+ kilowatt-hours (kWh)congratulations you can charge 2 cars... over a whole day, or 4 50% ones or 8 25% ones... also since its "average" its meaningless.Electricity doesn't work on averages, that's one off the hardest blackpill to swallow for all those PV advocates.
>>533340198>them at a slight angle and they clean themselvesThey very much do not. Tree shit, bird shit, bug shit, brake dust, regular dust, all of it sticks. I'm sorry they need very regular cleaning or their efficiency is trash.
>>533348928>Natalie Portman Jew confirmed
>>533349047>Gets free energy
>>533348769>it's MY backyard.It's not you nigger.Got so many faggots like you here crying about HURR THEY PUTTING SHIT IN MY BACKYARD MY BACKYARD ME ME MINE ME MINE IT ALL BELONGS TO MEEEEEEEEEFucking Badgery's Creek Airport has taken nearly seventy fucking years to build because of old boomer niggers screeching and crying about planes.I wanna feed every boomer not in a nursing home into a jet turbine and then take that slurry and weld every nursing home's doors shut so I can pump the boomerslurry in and drown the ones who are in the nursing homes in the sloppy swill of their fellow geriatrikikes.
>>533340684Then you need more skilled tradesmen to maintain the moving motorized & electrical components of the auto cleaning equipment.That would likely equal out or even cost more.Is that video supposed to be a joke?
>>533349005my personal EV uses 250 watts a day..average/,,i mostly go less then 15 miles a day.
>>533349151Nigger there is an easement on my place for the power company. Shut the fuck up because you don't know shit about fuck. My man.
>>533349160I am an industrial automation engineer and I can't do the same basic shit that Electricians do even though I write out their layouts for my job. They get paid 150k to do a job I instruct them to do for 80k and manage. California is a magic place because of unions.
>>533349308Its cause engineers think they're some fancier class of people and won't unionize themselves. Don't worry you're all gonna make it!
>>533349426I am thinking of actually becoming a tradesman only to get my c10 so I can fuck both groups by taking both their jobs. There is big money in doing controls and neither group except some retiring electricians can do it.
It's pretty expensive to mount panels that high up. Especially engineered to be safe enough.Check out will prowse's solar carport project on YouTube. The panels were a tiny fraction of his costs compared to the concrete work.It's a huge problem that as solar has gotten much cheaper everything else has gotten so much more expensive, so the only practical way to get a return on panels is to dump them in the desert propped up by sticks.Lots of guys on the diysolarforum just leave them laying on the ground or propped up against walls and get 1-2yr ROI.
>>533349234>Nigger there is an easement on my place for the power company.Oh so you own it in the same way your girlfriend is your girlfriend when she's a literal prostitute.Ok champ. Your own property fucking cucked you.
>>533349641It is, but for the same cost you can literally by all the equipment you need and more. Most of the cost comes from liability cost installers falling through roofs because boomers won't update their fucking roofs since it will trigger a tax evaluation with California on their property.
>>533349780You are just being a faggot. The solar farm being built means more bullshit and maintenance on the lines that they have easement on. I have to see the eye sore every fucking day and hear the god damn humming from the facility. Fuck you and your gay ass airport. You better get solar before you run out of gas. One day, you'll get pissed off too and some little shit will run his mouth to you. Fuck off back to your prison colony you criminal scum
>>533338954Because inflation is your problem you fucking rock. You can fix anything without getting rid of that first.
>>5333389541) The heat of the asphalt harms solar panel efficiency.2)That flat arrangement like in the pic is not the most efficient angle either.3) Morons will be constantly hitting them.Don't get me wrong, it's generally common sense to put panels in otherwise unused places as part of a multi-system approach to energy, especially compared to big solar farms that could be better used for shit like actual farms.You just have to consider all the relevant factors and real-world behavior and results.
>>533338954Solar panels heat to around 150 degrees in summer and create an ambient heat island of around 15-20 additional degrees around them. This means that if you park you car under a solar array and it's 100 degrees out it could be nearly 120 degrees beneath the panels. Having black asphalt below amplifies it further even if it's partially shaded by the panels.This is feasible in colder climates but any place with 3 months or more of proper summer temps would be unbearable and may even cause damage to the vehicles.
>>533338954do you even know how much money and leveraging power opec would lose from this??? hard no from me!
>>533349988>umming from the facilityok,,,i understand this., could hear a power pole transformer from 50 yards (thats 150 feets for you Euros),,,,,sorry abouthat.>>533350534shade makes heat?
>>533340002Deserts are not well-suited for solar because heat + sand.Basically the only benefit is the land is cheap.
>>533350684That shit can drive people insane.
>>533350534How do you come up with this kind of bullshit?
>>533350534>>533350684>even if it's partially shaded by the panels>so yous sayin the shade makes heat???Esl, retarded, trolling, or all three?
>>533349017>I'm sorry they need very regular cleaning or their efficiency is trash.Not true.
>>533348278That anon is correct. When you start learning about how fucked the law is you may begin to have a different attitude. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
>>533338954Do they not have these in flyover shit hole states? They are everywhere in California
>>533350871Idk about their numbers but how do you read anything about solar panels without learning what an issue heat management is for them?
>>533350884>retardedbut not so much i cant understand car in sun = babycooker.
...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED>...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED>...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED>...UND CAR-THAGE WILL BE DESTROYED
>>533338954I have no issue. I'd love to be able to park in the shade and come to a not boiling truck in summer
>>533351149I live in an apartment in jew york and being able to turn the AC or heating before i head over to the car is a godsend.
>>533350684>>533350871>>533350884You understand that heat radiates from hot objects don't you? It's the "heat island effect" A shaded car port is nice but if the thing generating the shade is increasing temps on days that are already dangerously hot then it's an option that's not feasible for places that experience those high summer temperatures. https://phys.org/news/2016-11-solar-island-effect-large-scale-power.html#google_vignette
Why can't I find a single video of a Ev exploding in Australia? But I can find 20+ videos of ICE cars exploding. Also why are there so many American solar panel experts here who have literally never touched or handled a solar panel IRL. Do most Migatards know their god Elon is subsidizing our solar batteries because American are too dumb to adopt them? I can only pray Americans continue to be this dumb
>>533351841Most teslas sold in straya use LFP batteries which don't get set on fire/explode like nickel batteries do that are used in long range/premium.
>>533339827>The amount of oil necessary to mine, let alone refine, the materials and get them to market is HUGENo it's not. PV's pay back their embodied energy in like 4 years.>I'd rather have beautiful treesYou don't want leaves and bird shit on your vehicles.Stop simping for giving sand niggers money you brainwashed fool.
>>533351583optimal at 77 degrees? WHAT?,,,,circuits LOVE cold!, computer much?,carports and roofmounts not the same? airflow.
>>533351841EVs don't explode. They burn very hot. They cyber truck exploded because that dipshit filled it with fireworks, propane and propane accessories.
>>533341686you wouldn’t use a system that adjusts to the sun if you’re creating a solar powered car port, that’s more for a 10kw array in a field. instead you’d angle the panels depending on the latitude of the location and months of peak efficiency. the angle of incidence varies depending on where you are on the earth and the season
>>533352010Or we could just invest in thorium nuclear reactors that literally cannot melt down. But no, we have to cover thousands of acres in hideous chincy shit that poisons the ground and needs constant maintenance or if it hails can be outright destroyed. Nevermind clouds or snow or high heat decreasing your energy out put. Solar panels are kiked to the max.
>>533338954>which may encourage employers to increase the wages of their employeesLmao no. Wages do not follow productivity or profit.
>>533352254Modern nuclear is good, but don't disregard the benefits of energy independence and not relying on the government for power.
>>533352104Black things get hot in sun and increase ambient temperatures. Being sandwiched between black things on hot sunny days is not good. Are solar panels the same as circuit boards? No. No they are not.
>>533350534You want an air gap because the solar panels will change their voltage in hotter weather, it lowers so you can pump more watts and connect more panels. But the heat will deteriorate the panels faster.
>>533352291I don't believe minimum wage has been raised here in my lifetime. It's still like $7.00 or something crazy.
>>533340684Motors dont fail
>>533352254Yes. Jews are vampires. Literally. They are NOT human beings
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thing, besides the fact that it's anti-capitalistic & anti-semitic because it doesn't exploit people for profitWhat the fuck are you talking about retard?Its making extra profit from a parking lot. You think they're going to give that electricity away for free retard?
you must be over 18 to use this website
>>533352358I'm not, that's not what we are talking about. I'm all for solar panels and batteries and inverters. I just don't want that to be the go to method as it is inefficient and ugly compared to nuclear energy. Nuclear energy gets over looked because it's literally too good, too abundant. Wind and solar farms are total cope compared to nuclear. It's a kike fantasy.
>>533352254Thorium produces a shit ton of weapon grade Uranium as a byproduct, that's why nobody but sadistic Chinese people are obsessed with blowing the planet up if only 3 Han Chinese exist (are left of) to take the earth.
>>533352553Based Quarkposter. Have some Reddit Latinum.
>>533352556This anon gets it
>>533352558So? You can also store it and not use it. Or stop being a pussy see the tremendous upside in having your energy production create badass weaponry as a byproduct of its use.
>>533352658>>533352556you can't do nuclear without subsidies.
Hail
>>533353087And that's how Biden had that gay solar farm built around here. That, and we all know who voted for it and sold out.
>>533351583Lol this nigger didn't read his own paper.Your heat island effect is talking about temperatures AT NIGHT.A solar panel blocks the radiation from the sun. Whatever heat radiates from the panel must be less.You are brown.
>>533338954>whyThe combination of darkies, and having to keep them cleaned throughout seasons.These would never last around niggers, jeets or arabs.
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thingbecause it's liberal green energy bullshitburn it to the ground
>>533338954Ever seen those after a hailstorm?
>>533353812>destroy your infrastructure to own the libs.
>>533353879yes it's fine. Steeper tilt, thicker glass and tempered glass solves this.
>>533340002>need as much maintenance as a windowhahaha fucking kys
>>533349988question? would Nuclear hummmmmmmmm louder?,massive lights all the time?,,also, does it quiet down at night?
>>533355369I don't know because they build huge gay inefficient solar farms instead of small efficient nuclear power plants. Maybe ask someone on a nuclear powered submarine.
>>533353564No it's not retard. I just reread it, it doesn't say anything about night.
>its slightly inconvenient to clean>lets just give upThe mentality of defeated retards who will never overcome or contribute anything meaningful in life.
>>533355369No. I live near lake Anna in VA. It's a cooling lake for a nuclear plant and it's also densely populated. You don't hear anything.
>>533340019https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkwiQmGWK4c
>>533352398>Black things get hot in sun and increase ambient temperatures>>533356350>cooling lake for a nuclear plantboil that lake to stop the heating!,,,,but does solar hummm at night?, i think not.
>>533356263Check your glasses nigger. It's literally in the abstract.
>>533356263Plus you are still basically arguing that it's warmer in the shade than under direct sun exposure.
>>533338954What is the fucking point of multipurpose solar panels? They will always be less efficient than single-purpose solar panels. These kinds of ideas are obviously thought up by someone who doesn't live in the real world. We are governed by subhumans.
>>533338954>some oldfuck boomer crashes into one one of the supporting beams>entire thing falls down on every single car beneath itThats why this idea is retarded.
>>533357046>They will always be less efficientbullshit>>533357119>entire thing falls down on every single car beneath itbullshit
>>533338954>So why is this a bad thingThere's literally no reason not to have it unless the local people are too retarded to maintain it or the area has a problem with theft/pointless destruction. >anti-capitalisticthat makes no sense, nothing about using a solar panel is anti-capitalism. All of the best brands are inherently capitalistic due to their success on the market.
>>533357119cybercabs only, people are way too retarded to do anything consistently
>>533338954Make them taller than nearby trees
>>533340684I love Chinks
>>533341017Rooftop central bunker with normal roof around and solar panels on auto rails that run for cover when the weather forcast says hail
>>533356762So one of the environments tested was at night. Got it. They ran multiple different tests in different environments.>>533356983I'm arguing that hot things radiate heat. It's not a controversial statement.>>533356720The lake is home to many species of fish. I'm sure the power plant makes noise but I've never heard complaints.
>>533338954A woman will hit a support post trying to park and cause at least 6 figures' worth of damage.
>>533342061>unemployable retards can be trusted to use tools correctly, or at allyou faith in humanity is quaint.
>>533342435You can buy batteries
>>533352729Terrorists use solar power now, so whatever you want to believe bro
>>533356049bro they're running submarines on solar power now
>>533338954Solar is liberal-coded and thus is rejected because it may signal to others that you are on the wrong "team". That is really all it is.
>>533340026>>533339600There are solar panels with built in cleaners now and some you can add on yourself
>>533340026Why not put a little windshield wiperand maybe some spray on it
>>533338954>niggers climb on to the roof, destroy the panels, beebop away to the next solar panel roofsThanks for playing
>>533339387Are you confusing solar panels with windmills? Windmills are still a question on cost/return. Solar, today (not 15-20 years ago) is a no brainer to install when you have large space to make an effective array, like PARKING COVERS. It only doesn’t make sense when your own personal roof is shaped and angled too small or improperly to the sun to make it worth the cost (IE: you barely generate because of shade/lack of direct sun, not ineffective technology)
>>533360674You just need a hose
>>533361027it won't clean up the same way you need high water pressure if you aren't scrubbing
>>533345487>Sand is damaging the panels!>Sand>SilicaFucking King retard over here.... Is what I wish were true, instead I know you know better and are lying like a good muddy water shillfag
>>533338954It creates too much pollution and waste, solar is too unreliable, and in the US niggers will destroy it.
>>533339802You are literally brainwashed by kikes to scream and shit yourself when someone mentions nuclear.
>>533352516>>533349160>SkilledBruh, swapping out your alternator is probably 10x harder then swapping out whatever that tiny electric motor is and any braindead retard can figure it out with youtube in five minutes. Stop acting like this is alien technology only rocket scientists can figure out. The engineers that model and design these systems have to account for maintenance and keep things as simple as possible anyways.
>A parking lot with shadeGood idea in theory>A parking lot with less visibilityBad idea>Return on investmentsZero>>533342457This. Parking lots and fighting over parking is pure AIDS, Garages take up like 1/2 of every suburb, the parking going into each house takes up as much room as the house itself, literally everything is taking up space and I can't grow a corn.This is even worse in the city, where people are stacked on top of each other but cars often aren't. Why did retards think it was a good idea to stack the people but not the cars? For the price of a solar parking spot you could vertically stack cars and then I wouldn't have to search for 100 hours and spend 10's of thousands of dollars to plant a fruit tree in my city.
>>533361374i had a panel by my niggerhood door,,,one day found nigglets trying to ruin it with a metal pipe.,,,,just scratchs,amazing tech!,same panel kicked by llamas,,month in ditch,,,now offgrid doing Gods work after 30 years.,,,,real nigs Would find a way though.
>>533361168I use a hose all the time, sometimes even the rain does the job.
>>533361768it gets clean but not enough for my likingits still has like 15% of the dirt from before on it and I don't want to run my hose for like 5 minutes to get that last part so I just clean it like a every 2 weeks. it takes longer to set up the long brush than it does to actually clean it but ill probably just have a cleaner installed soon
>>533338954Why is this not considered capitalist? It's passively making (sell it back to the grid) or saving you money (using it). What level of brain rot do you have to be on to hate solar so much you refuse to see the economic benefits?
>>533357188>no argument kill yourself faggot
>>533339600We have them all over here in the desert. They are super expensive to build, and probably will never pay for themselves. It is nice to come out to a car where you can touch the steering wheel, though.
>>533340002The desert is DUSTY though. Really dusty.
>>533362062Yeah, you're a tard
>>533349634That's exactly what two of my uncles did. Worked on jobs all over the world.
