UBI is outEnter UHIMusk believes that as AI and robotics advance, millions of people could lose traditional jobs at a scale never seen before. Instead of resisting that shift, he says governments should lean into it and redesign the economy around it.His proposal is direct.“Universal high income via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI.”This goes beyond Universal Basic Income. Musk is not talking about survival-level payments. He is describing a future where people receive enough money to live comfortably, even without working.
>>533343824>Our data trained AI>Our taxes helped build the data centersAnyone saying we don't deserve a slice of the AI pie is a jew or cuckold.
>>533343824>Won't cause inflationHe's only saying this for the dumbest of the dummies to slurp up.
will never happen
If it's designed specifically for unemployed people then why does it need to be universal?
>>533343921>muh inflation retards like you are letting these companies get away with highway robbery
>>533343824>everyone gets uhi>prices rise to match demand>uhi becomes breadlinesyay we did it reddit
Monkey's Paw.You also technically get a form of UHI if you do YouTube. When something is free you're the product. What do they get in return? >24/7 surveillance without privacy>Your Data without asking consent>Profile you>Launch the full version of X which has Social Credit ScoreYou now live in an Orwellian hellscape and they also plan to use this profiling to find antisemites, and people who aren't very productive (bad social score) and quietly drag those off to the side and kill them or conscript them.Datacenters are a digital auschwitz.
>>533343824UHI = Universal High Income= translated: only the rich get to stay alive, they don't need to feed tge poors or keep them alive, because now they'll have AI slavesSo, /pol/tards, we have to kill them before they start killing us all
>>533343824universal basic income can only really work if coupled with land value tax.
>>533343953Because if it happened, people would quit working.
>“Universal high income via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI.”
>>533343824Yeah I'm sure he's all for it as long as it isn't his companies who pay the bill.
>>533343824>Universal high income via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI.WHOS GONNA PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!?????
>>533344221People who wanted more money would still work.
we need to create a star trek future and the only way to do that is by eradicating the chud mind virus. Chuds are basically the Ferengi and you know how they are.
>>533343824It's bullshit. He says shit like this to keep his stock prices pumped. At this point the US will go to civil war before it raises the federal minimum wage. The US will NEVER EVER do something like this.
>>533343824UBI or slavery is today's topic. But I just want to know how AI will be paid for once 80% lose their jobs day one of agi? AI is expensive to run. Where does the money come in?
Decades come and go, but the promises of a commie utopia remain the same. Believe the con artist BS at your own (and everyone else's) peril, especially coming from a cretin like Musk.
>>533343919Sadly the people who would be handing out the money say that.
>>533344339I mean, it is though. Also, individually Elon made the biggest single tax payment in history at $11 billion.
>>533343824>distract divide conquerThey just have to make a human quota mandatory and tax AI.
If I had to guess, to get this you will need to sign something over. All your data so it's useful for training or something, aka no privacy at all. Also possibly your body after you die, for organ donations etc
>>533343824Jacque Fresco has been advocating this idea for decades. https://www.thevenusproject.com/
>>533344680They're trying to envision a future where the average person generates no value and is not catered to by companies. So the economy will be driven by the central authority/government and companies/feuds providing value to it and between themselves. E.g. imagine a shift from consumer capitalism to an all consuming MIC feeding the US war machine.
>>533343824Desk jobs first.If you're mobile and physical labor. You got at least 10 years of waging left.Merchandisers are kang.
>>533343824I can’t believe think the government will suddenly give people money Try giving universal healthcare first Oh wait
>>533343824BlablablablaHis whole thing is talking shit that's how he makes money. He is the greatest shittalker of all time.
>>533343824This would unironically be possible.In civilization.Unfortunately we have niggers.
>>533345333That makes sense. Also, checked. What does /pol/ think would be better? Death or being a human battery but live in a VR world?
The government will do this, but they will require reproductive sterilization for any human who wants it.
>>533345313damn i remember this nigga. he died nearly a decade ago, though
never forget that the demonic right will never make a better world
ubi is a fine stopgap measure but it doesn't solve the bottom line that the nash equilbrium has shifted leaving the proles without a purposeWe need to look beyond UBI and investigate decentralised communes
>>533344360the aitheyll be loaded from taking all the jobs
>>533343824>goon>play games>become richFucking grim... human relations will be even worse than now.
>>533343824>i believe that although there are no jobs now, and in the future there will be even fewer jobs, that we need to import more browns because uhhhhhhh.....anyway free money somehow!!imagine fallin for that
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>>533343824Is he selling off future profits again that will never materialize? I bet you idiots will fall for it again, and he'll add another zero to his fortune.
>>533343824UBI is great, but we already have mass voting power and we could use that as our currency.
>>533343824You want to curb inflation, start backing your money with something tangible and not the waning good faith of the US.
>>533343824Elon can start by sending me money
>>533344360>WHOS GONNA PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!?????Aren't you listening to the nerds? Of course, the free energy source we'll have will pay for it. It can only be a matter of weeks until we get it.
>>533344037>auschwitzSo we will get free swimming pools?
>>533343824He is correct. Infinite robot slaves are going to do all the work for no compensation, it will be extremely unprecedented to have this much free slave labor available with no moral quandaries. It will create tremendous extra wealth that will be distributed to billions of freeloaders you don't think deserve it (well too bad). The sheer amount of free labor / production given by automation / AI makes it no problem. The only argument against this is that the elites would just kill us all instead for some reason, even though there's no shortage of resources and no reason for fucking everything up with violence. Just because we're useless eaters (as many of us already are now)?If nobody has to work, nobody has to work. Nobody has to die.
I don't understand so rich people get to be welfare queens on top of having a lot of money? At least a poor nigger in the hood has to at least live in squalor
They will give people just enough to scrape by. Anyone who thinks the American government would ever do something benevolent is retarded.
>>533344023If prices rise, won't more sellers enter the market to take advantage of the higher price which suppresses the price? Why do people assume that if people are given UBI, supply of goods and services won't increase to absorb the additional money flowing in the system.
>>533343824It was "Unconditional" just few years ago. Now it's universal. Wonder why.
>>533347615They try hard to conceal the fact that the concentration camps were actually labor camps. That's why they never talk about the fact that half of Germany's autobahns were built by camp inmates.
>>533343824The richest man in the world can help the people out with some of his own money???
>>533347757This. They will give you enough so that you don't start a rebellion, but too little for you to ever break out. Basically the same as now and as in most times before.
>>533347789Yes. Death camps are fake. So are gas chambers. Zyklon B was used to protect them from Typhus. They were treated well.
>>533343919>Our taxes helped build the data centersHow much did you pay in taxes last year and how much of that do you believe went to data centers?>>533344661>the federal minimum wage.What sort of work do you do that you're only earning minimum wage?
>>533347889>The richest man in the world can help the people out with some of his own money???You're misunderstanding. He gets direct access to the money printing press, and in return you get a pod and three meals.
>>533348038i made that meme :)
>>533347046The opposite is true
>>533343824He's right. In the future all that will matter is job prestige and ownership of the automation. They have to think of ways to deal with this now.
>>533347961Nice to see someone who isn't a retarded newfag on nu-/pol/ for once.
>>533343824Elon couldn't even get the price of his brainchild Cybertruck down to the $40K he promised. Doesn't he also still owe NASA a moon landing rocket they already paid for? He's in no position to push anything until he meets his prior commitments.
>>533343824There is a sort of UBI already in place for old and disabled people. It's called pension and it's causing massive problems. Now imagine pensions for everybody without any requirements.
>>533348174Assuming the AI actually generates any revenues sometime, and wall wtreet isn't just saying that to keep the bubble alive. Because what is AI other than a user interface that gives idiots amateur access to professional software?
>>533347615Pools closed. Always has been.
>>533343919Fpbp>>533348038Shalom!
>>533348051Wow. A pod and three meals? I could assassinate a few and get the same deal...
>>533343824AI automation is inevitable because of its market attraction but as soon as automation starts gutting the consumer economy (the only economy that still exists in western countries) governments will start introducing AI taxes on corporations to make up for the complete loss of income tax and sales tax revenue
>>533343824Musk is a demented retard with a fucked up cock, and I don't believe for a second he would be the one to bring UBI. But UBI is an important concept I support.
>>533348610How exactly is AI supposed to help with automation?
>>533348051So the future is gonna look something like texhnolyze huh? Sad
Reminder there will be no ubi, only death. Any talks of ubi is pure cope, it's not happening. Why would the people who own it all who very clearly demonstrated already that their profits are the top priority over all els? Theyll never share a single cent with you, theyll hide in their underground cities and rule over you and protect themselves with ai controlled drones and robots while you and your family starves to death, and thats the good ending, better hope they dont round you up for bolahevik style torture death camps.
>>533347659>life becomes free for everyone >now the only meaningful competition becomes looksmaxxing and youthmaxxing >lazy zoomers get piles of free money in their youth and all the pussy because they’re both young and rich. >millenials can’t even enjoy their UHI middle age because their bodies have been destroyed by grinding poverty and relentless overwork >millenials somehow manage to get completely fucked over yet again despite society entering an era of post scarcity utopia
>>533343824>He is describing a future where people receive enough money to live comfortably, even without working.As long as they take their mRNA boosters, chip themselves and connect their brain to neurallink?
>>533349293Stop letting jews divide you with these social constructs like age groups etc. You're acting like a such a fucking goy. We're all in this together
>>533349293I'm mildly confident that millennials will still get wonder drugs that make us healthier / cure balding / look youthful. They already solved obesity and protein folding. But it wont even matter that much because most people will be content just living in virtual reality pods connected to their neuralink AI dream worlds that they are gods of anyway.The future will be like a mix of The Matrix, Judge Dredd and Her, and there'll be tons of abandoned buildings due to depopulation (like Detroit all over the world).
>>533349610Nigger you are delusional if you think millenials aren’t getting fucked. >boomers have 20s/30s of easy money and easy pussy >millenials have 20s/30s of miserable poverty and hoeflation>zoomers getting easy money and easy pussy This is just objective fact, no age division propaganda required
>>533349980When you act like this you show these jews we all are just a bunch of dumb goys. We're only gonna win if you stop letting people like Trump and the woke left divide and conquer us. All of us Americans no matter what age etc are in this together. This our country not Israel's.
I mean in some sense it seems inevitable because it takes two to tango, you can't replace workers without losing buyers, eventually, if nobody can afford what you are selling and that's even before considering worse outcomes of large unemployment. Creating more bullshit jobs maybe? Get more pencil pushers then? Maybe keeping goyim busy is still the better alternative than cutting the middle man and just giving them money to spend, they may get funny ideas in their heads with too much free time on their hands? Or maybe it's good for you if they are super pacified, they won't breed anyway
>>533350091I’m not sure what you think is going to happen if UBI or UHI or whatever becomes a thing and how that could be anything but a rug pull for millenials who are finally clawing some money out of the boomers for the first time ever. If money becomes free for everyone right when millenials are hitting middle age then every single woman in the world will just be chasing after 20 year old chads. I don’t see how you can argue this
>>533343824If everyone has high income wouldn't that devalue the currency we don't exactly live in socialist countries were distributing wealth fairly
>>533350334He presents himself as a technocrat and proposes abolishing capitalism on at least some levels. He says that production no longer requires human labor and therefore the output should simply be distributed among people. One could almost call him altruistic here, but given his history of star trek scams, it's probably just a new ploy.
>>533343919>>533348038Pretty without government handouts (socialism) they would not be able to built most their data centers and factories.
>>533350774It's the same phenomenon as with the green economy. They convinced people with propaganda that it was the future, to the point that the bubbles became too big to fail. And now the government is forced to keep these unprofitable industries alive to avoid a collapse.
>>533350653Money is basically a measure of effort to meet economic demands under scarcity. Inflation occurs when the money supply outpaces this metric. If there’s no longer any effort required to meet economic demand and you can basically ignore scarcity then the old math no longer matters. Money itself could be done away with and replaced with a digital ledger of what each eater can consume for free with the system still able to maintain post-scarcity.
>>533344023>prices rise to match demand>breadlinesPrices of mundane goods will never skyrocket because of it unless you live in a turd world shithole where people fight for the last cabbage on the shelf.Premium products and services- probably, for some time. Real estate and stocks- oh fuck.I can't imagine how it could work with the stock market. The state hands over money, it comes partially from dividend companies where the state has a share- it gets reinvested into said dividend companies by the people who received the money.
UBI "soft" communism will eventually prevail, but not in the way leeches believe. You're still going to be required to contribute time and energy in some fashion.Ironically UBI becomes increasingly plausible with MORE people, not less, because the measure of contribution will be determined by hundreds of millions of people doing incrementally LESS work as MORE people exist to contribute.True walkable, clean energy cities will be a reality. Food, electricity, clothing, community engagement, quality entertainment, education and higher education will all be available to everyone that gives their time to improving society.Niggers of society will be thrown out and sent to 3rd world Mad Max-tier hellholes with no advanced weaponry, government or society so they can devour each other.
>>533347789Who the fuck says German concentration camps were not labor camps? I bet it's the american kikes who degraded it to a comic book bullshit, insert your masturbation death machine meme here. They were labor camps with fucking high mortality of the prisoners, just like Gulag.
>>533344360you're mom
Will you bongs finally admit Andrew Yang was right?
>>533343824>“Universal high income via checks issued by the Federal government is the best way to deal with unemployment caused by AI.”
>>533344339Interesting.He could pilot a program where you have to work for his company, let's say 5 years, and at the end of your term you receive a pension (if you promise to not work). That would be a slow roll UHI program.
>>533343824The guy sells robotaxihe has the blueprintwhat is robotaxi, an automated machine, that stills need some basic maintainence, so it's not full automationthere may never be full automationthere will be only semi-automationjust epxand the logicrobo taxigive everyone a robo taxi, this fixes unemploymentmake robo taxis that offer other services, make robo taxis that produce goodsmake robo taxis that produce solar panelslease them, they pay for themselvesUBI, UHI, communism in any of its forms is just lack of creativityI'm drunk asf right now desu
>>533343824It won't cause inflation. Since the whole concept of producing more goods per person is MASSIVELY DEFLATIONARY
>>533343824Yeah, where can I down the kool-aide how many bots and mongoloids do they have here?
>>533347763Because these people are functionally retarded and also don't realize the entire argument is based on autonomony basically sending production into the stratosphere
>>533352930nothing is ever THAT deflationaryif it was, once it gets that deflationary money is useless, it'd be only symbolic... it become a Factorio game, there's no money in Factorio... resources go in, product comes outyou can just ask the machine to build the thing for you for free
>>533353327This is percisely what he is talking about. Whether or not this actually happens is a better question.
>>533343824Elon has always been a bro, even if sometimes misdirected. He will help humanity again and that is his aim for certain.
The only way that they can control inflation with UHI is by strictly regulating what people can buy.Otherwise someone would use all their UHI to buy a ton of houses and drive up the price through scarcity.
>>533348038How much of my wealth evaporated with inflation and how many votes did I have to prevent the bailouts banks got after they were gambling on the stockmarket and lost more of my wealth? How much money did the fed print to the government to give to these companies which is also inflating my savings into nothing? I could pay no money in taxes and still be owed.
>>533343824If we harvest the organs of every billionaire we can have a working middle class of homeowners again.
>>533345313Looks like Logan's Run, the City of Domes picrel
>>533353842Letting niggers cook and eat elons kidneys will not, in fact, save the middle class
>>533354923At some point people need to recognize the obvious running off with the bag and question why the government needs to keep funding all these billionaires companies with our tax dollars while we if we make a single mistake we go to jail. Wealth disparity is real. When the entire economy is being lauded as strong because of the stonk market but .01% of the population own 97% of the stocks then we have to question why the .01% can't fund their own fucking companies.
I could actually see this happening as a means to inject orcs into previously safe neighborhoods.
Dont need labor, but we need capitalists, and subsidized consumption. Can't wait for high priests to produce their next economic theory to support this absurdity.
>>533344221> if game is f2p no one would p2w
>>533344023why not have prices drop to meet supply (or lack thereof)
>>533343824>2 more years
>>533348310You don't have NEETbux in Austria???
>>533343824>UBIThis is America. We know what SV is like. The revealed preference of the SV elite is to let the unemployed plebs rot in the streets.
>>533353629Anon just discovered the Soviet economy. Congratulations
>>533357230Does the existence of the UBI mean that dollars themselves no longer flow in circulation?Two tiered currency system?
>>533343824this dumb nigger said he was going to colonize mars until a few weeks ago
>>533344023the government will grow in regulation and resources, so much money will be saved by cutting costs, that they themselves will provide whatever businesses cannot provide due to stock, anyway what your talking about is non essentials, those dont matter, no one will starve or suffer from food choices, and everyone willlive in good infrastructured neighborhoods, thats all that matters, if a portion of the population can't buy the new playstion 10 in time, they can go to thier local game hub, government funded
>>533353685i like the way you think, and i wish well for you
>>533343824>Musk is not talking about survival-level paymentsHe is, you're just too stupid to understand market dynamics. Imagine listening to anything that this faggot says.
People can't handle UBI, after a couple months every place will be like a native reserves with all the chaos, violence and substance abuse you'd expect
