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Should taxes exist? How should they be collected? What should they be used for?

I know some people are against taxation all together which is a respectable stance but on the other hand taxes (when applied correctly) could be used to give money to neets. Taxes could also possibly benefit natalism. If something can't outright be banned, i think in this corrupt system taxing them under a appropriate pretext could be the next best course of action.

Things that should be ideally highly taxed (if we accept taxes should exist):
● Dog ownership in cities
● Makeup
● Drugs and alcohol
● contraception (to increase the price, could lead to more births)

However in reality, taxes are always used for evil purposes
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>>533379138
Juden should be taxed at 100% of their wealth.
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sounds gay
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>>533379138
Twin-Flat-Tax (TFT):
10% income tax.
10% consumption tax.
Discretionary opt-in/opt-out tax for select policies/projects on a case-by-case basis.

Levying the income and consumption taxes over 10% is banned.
Levying the income and consumption taxes at separate rates is banned.
Any other government fees, charges and/or taxes are banned.
All tax expenditures and/or concessions are banned.

In reality, such a tax system would need to be set at 20 or 25% before cutting down spending.
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>>533379138
Taxes are a good idea in theory.
It's not so great when Israel has all your presidents assassinated and your government filled with traitors who sell out their own people for greater Israel's ambitions.

If jews take over your government, you should probably never pay taxes again. Why would you pay taxes to a bunch of baby eating pedophiles who call you a goyim slave cattle? I'm not giving those cunts any of my money. The only thing those satanic faggots can have is my hatred and some of my very fast moving bullets.
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>>533379138
Humanity live in usury system organized by Jews.
Purge all Jews with out discrimination and self organize in a peoples congress like in a old days .

No leadership no Jews , peoples congress with gallows in it.
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>>533379138
LUST
PROVOKING
IMAGES
HNNGGGAAAAAAA GIVE ME POOOOSAY
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>>533379272
How much money would you have to make for such a system to benefit you
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>>533379425
Minimum wage.

The math checks out. And those rates include shit like car registration and utility bills.
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>>533379138
>Should taxes exist?
"Should" doesn't factor in.
>How should they be collected?
However the owner of the land deems they should.
>What should they be used for?
Whatever the owner of the land wants to use it for.

National ownership is determined as an agreement between the individual and the state. International ownership is determined by the range of your guns. You own what you can defend. The idea that tax is theft, or that someone else but the owner should have a say in how it's allocated is not just ridiculous, it's fantasy stuff. Like believing LOTR is real. This is one of the reasons why I still support democracy, btw. In an autocracy, the population has no way to influence how taxes are levied, or spent. In a democracy, they have some modicum of influence, which is better. I have personal preferences as to what taxes should be spent on. But they are in no way objective, and I don't think you can arrive at an objective conclusion. But for the sake of answering you, OP:

I think taxes (primarily) should be used to mount a defence against foreign aggressors (because otherwise you cannot keep what you own), it should be used to fund a domestic justice system (because lawlessness makes everything more difficult), it should be used to support the health care of the people (because I don't want to live in a disease riddled shithole), and it should be used to educate the people (because I have a severe allergy against ignorance and stupidity). A good argument could be made for it to also fund the postal service, and to maintain the roads. But those can be negotiated if other alternatives can be proven better. Other than that, I don't like the idea of using taxes. The people are (generally) better at allocating resources than the government is.
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>>533379138
Yes
It works fine now
To provide me access to a harem of women as shown in the OP. This is in fact the only important function of a well-run state
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>>533379138
Not obligated to pay them and the IRS operates on fraud and has no jurisdiction in any of the 50 union states
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>>533380151
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Sure they are worth it if they would go in the correct place. Current public/private stakeholder capitalism/socialism can die like communism. The social contracts are broken and paying taxes is retarded.
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>>533379138
I think young single women and people of a certain attractiveness level should pay a form of tax that levels the playing field so to speak.
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>>533379138
Taxation is armed robbery.
>But no one would ever build a single road without taxes.
Yes you are retarded.
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>>533379138
>but on the other hand taxes (when applied correctly) could be used to give money to neets.
How is that a good thing?
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voluntary = good
non voluntary = evil
voluntary funded state is a good state
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>>533379138
>What are your thoughts on taxation?
Should be 100% in all asset classes. Land owners, bourgeoisie and bankers should be used for medical experiments.
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>>533379138
The problem isn't really taxes (although it's theft), but the government and its employees, ie public servants, not being held accountable for wasteful spending.
There should be an organ investigating all spending with the authority to prosecute.
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>>533379138
Without representation is theft
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>>533379138
Taxes are mostly a waste. They insert they are for the public good but much of the money is wasted via corruption. Even what isn't wasted through corruption is then utilized to push retarded agendas. And no one is accountable at all. Taxes should stay mostly at the county level with like a gasoline tax going for state highways and interstate upkeep.
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I hate taxes, but I hate the fact that you have to think about paying them and be afraid of not paying them and literally be an accountant ven more. It's a humiliation ritual. If they just taxes every tx you make at some flat rate automatically that would've been fine, but no, I guess that's too complicated and not enough humiliation for us. Fuck them.
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>>533379138
Zero tax of any kind on citizens, heavily tax foreign residents.
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>>533379138
Yes, but lower taxes on natural born citizens and higher taxes on immigrants for the first five years of residency after which, if they don't have a criminal record, and participated in a mandatory 100 hours of community service, goes down. The clock stops counting down if you're out of work or you're earning below taxable wages. You have a limit of $1000 that can be sent to relatives out of country before we start taxing the money you remove from our economy.

There. I fixed America's immigration problem.
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>>533379138
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>>533379138
kys peado
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>>533380763
Voluntarism is retarded because all it does is point at shit and go "this is natural, that is tyranny."
Property rules don't fall out of the sky. They're enforced on people.
You: "why should I be forced to pay taxes if I didn't agree???"
Also you: gets mad when someone doesn't agree to respect your property claim
Why should anyone else play by your property rules if they never opted in?
You can't cry "involuntary!" about one set of rules while pretending yours are magically voluntary for everyone. Pick one.
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>>533382189
natural does not mean good
voluntary means good

property is something that I respect because it is in my interest to do so
you calling something your does not make it yours
balancing interests makes it your enough
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>>533382300
I don't voluntarily agree that the stuff you claim belongs to you is yours. What now, retard?
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>>533382506
now, you have to evaluate the costs of that
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>>533379138
I dont care about taxation of luxury goods or sin taxes, or other non essential (and nonconstitutionally protected activities/goods/etc - food, armaments, property, etc).
I also dont mind taxes on capital gains, which is just taking from the moneychangersband money manipulators.

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Whats morally reprehensible is property tax of any kind, owning a thing must be absolute, no "rent" taxes.
Income tax or taxes on labor of any kind.
Taxing profits on labor/work/etc.
Estate taxes are also hideously immoral. You work your entire life to help make a better life for your kids and they cant afford to keep the land and house etc you give them after you die...
>The wealthy jews arent going to pay any of that anyway to begin with
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>>533382599
ah so you're just a hypocrite and don't care about voluntary interaction.
you only care about forcing YOUR rules on everybody else.
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>>533379138
There should be laws on aesthetics and anything from architecture to obesity treated with high taxation to erase it, e.g architects and developers getting hit with high tax rates for ugly buildings. If people want to promote ugliness in any form, it'll financially ruin them until they stop.
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>>533383206
What's the standards for beauty though? I vote for fat people to be automatically deemed ugly. Fatness should be outlawed.
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OP is going to come back to this thread, right?
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>>533382924
Anarcho Capitalism
cost evaluation is all you need to get rid of niggers
the state is obsolete over cost
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>>533379138
I announce the Talmud.

TOTAL GOYIM DEATH
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>>533383288
The standard for beauty is that healthy well adjusted humans are innately attracted to things that are beautiful even if they're normal people that can't explain why in scientific terms, but these are not mysteries as architectural schools across the world created beautiful work based on known principles of proportion, and quality of work.
There is a Youtuber called Sam Vaknin, a Jew that did TV shows about being a psychopath, his whole channel is him describing and exposing psychopathic/ narcissistic traits, even as he is one admittedly, and one of the things he spoke of was his love for brutalist and decayed architecture. He at least had the honesty to state that it mirrored his decayed inner life, so the people that promoting ugliness in architecture should be exposed publicly as defective people at minimum, or deliberately subversive.
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Taxes should exist but gubment should also mantain a stateless zone where people can go if they want to live free of any laws, but also free of any protection. A wilderness, like in Runescape (IIRC).
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>>533383410
so all your bullshit about "voluntary good" was just another lie.
you fags don't care about things being voluntary so stfu, you dumb cunt.
I hope you weep like a baby every time you pay taxes
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>>533383911
brutalism is peak though
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I wouldn't mind paying taxes if they were used to catch niggas and keep them in jail.
Unfortunately, in my country, taxes are used to support a parasitic bureaucratic class.
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>>533379138
Tax revenue should be used exclusively for the benefit of those who contributed to it. Accordingly, no tax funds should be transferred outside the collecting country for the benefit of other nations.
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>>533385101
so you think soft power does not benefit a country?
you think China is developing other nations just cause they are generous?
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