How old were you pol when you realized that it doesn't matter which system it is.As long as the work that needs to get done, gets done capitalism or socialism will do fine.The only reason socialism doesn't work in America is because the masses have been highly indoctrinated against it. It is purely a psychological thing rather than a "socialism is an inherently unworkable system."Many Americans would immediately throw a tantrum and refuse to work completely under a socialist system out of principle all because "socialism bad because big businesses man said so." This would of course lead to the systems collapse, but not because of any intrinsic flaws.It is so weird that many Americans violently reject the system that would be more just and fair towards working people and grant them better lives.Socialism will never work in America until Americans non-begrudgingly accept it instead of fighting it. That is the biggest hurdle.
>>533385130Yeah but you're gay
>>533385299/ThreadOp is faggot and his op is not worth reading There is no incentivize to cooperate with 20th century organization and all incentive to defect
>>533385130Whydoyoutypelikethis?
>>533385358Sounds like it’s worth reading to me.
>>533385130autilism
>>533385130It's just about the only thing from the social sciences where history has run multiple, independent, large-scale experiments and they all yielded the same result, that socialism ruins everything.The whole point is that the work that needs doing DOES NOT get done because where a "collective" is responsible, no one is
>>533385130how about you start by defining what you mean by a socialist system, and then say how you think the US isn't that. you're being too vague.
>>533385443No. The image is a known shill stock image and OP is a known repeated script bot copy pasta. You retards are really a waste of space and oxygen
>>533385130socialism doesn't work because it only takes a tiny minority of selfish and corrupt people to ruin it. Capitalism doesn't work for the same reason, but no-one pretends it does.
>>533385130~ism is a suffix denoting a jew scheme
>>533385412Because having some grammar makes things easier to read rather than just lumping it all into one large paragraph. You separate different or relatable ideas by a space.
>>533385130The end result of of both capitalism and socialism are the same: Corporatism. The longer it takes for the majority of people to realize this the worse things will get. Mussolini was far ahead of his time.
>>533385130Socialism has never worked. OP is retarded
>>533385130anarchy thoyou can either embrace monkeor be destroyed by monke
>>533385130A long time agoI was 12 during 9/1113 when the patriot act passedI’ll never forget any of itOr the frisbeeheads that orchestrated it all
>>533385718>you can either embrace monke or be destroyed by monkI think i would rather be destroyed than become no different than an animal.
>>533385130dumb niggers like you are living in the most centrally planned and globalized economy of all-time fucking look at the situation instead of just believing whatever (((they))) tell you
>>533385820we are animalswhere is anything rational about this fucking thing we call man?You worship dead enemies and sever yourselves off from nature.
>>533385820Whatdoyoudofor work,andwhatwillyourrolebeafterweabolishprivateproperty?
>>533385130Socialism is the stepping stone to communism, you are not entitled to the sweat of my brow. Get a job faggot.
>>533385130OP is a faggot plebbitard.
>>533385657>easier to read rather than just lumping it all into one large paragraph.
>>533385820You know if you highlight the sentence before you post it will auto greentext?
>>533386000I would br perfectly fine as a common laborer under socialism. At least then I get to contribute to the common good instead of toil all my days away just making an already rich man even richer.I am not motivated by profits. I am motivated by altruism.
>>533386540so if you worked on the exact same building project, which does contribute to the common good in either case, you'd feel better because at least your boss wasn't making any money? what a great demonstration of the fact that commies are basically envious little scumbags.
>>533385941Human beings are the only morals animals. You are suggesting that we give up our morality and become violent, zero morals, all that matters is survival animals. No thanks.
>>533385130How 'bout LIGMAism?
>>533386677I am not slave in this life just to make rich msn even richer. It is not about envy, i do not want what the rich man has. I just do not want to be his slave.
>>533386000I’ll be looking for every last Bolshevik like you
>>533386788why does him making some money make you his slave? you think you would be less a slave doing whatever the government tells you? try choosing a different government as easily as you can choose another job if you dont like it
Happy jubilee niggas
>>533386788So, why advocate for socialism, a system which enslaves all?
>>533385130>Socialism will never work in America until Americans non-begrudgingly accept it instead of fighting it.The browner and dumber we become, the closer we get to it. Don't read too deeply into that.
>>533386866A rich man making a dollar off of my labor while I make a nickel does make me a slave of sorts. At least working for the government my labor more directly contributes to my people and the betterment of my community and country. Not just more zeros in some rich man's bank account.
>>533386925I feel much more a slave under capitalism than I would under socialism.
>>533385130Are you under the impression that socialism work in any country? Could you be more specific?
>>533385130The economic system is mostly irrelevant. The problem is jews.
>>533386540>I am motivated by altruism.So you've never actually worked a day in your worthless life. You won't work for a paycheck now but you'd be happy to work to have all your money redistributed to other useless layabouts? Well, I'm calling dibs on running the puppy daycare and latte bar so I guess you'll be stuck working a foundry or slaughterhouse.
Would any system work if we're still under the same central banking system and debt slavery? That is where the real problem lies.
>>533387053You know you can volunteer in your off hours and work for free for the government and better your community without forcing others to do it as well? There's even jobs you can get paid to do, for the government, that will better your community, why does your gay ass want to force everyone to do what you want?
>>533385130>The only reason socialism doesn't work in America is because the masses have been highly indoctrinated against it. It is purely a psychological thing rather than a "socialism is an inherently unworkable system."Uh huh. Okay so I'm gunna just assume you're a socialist. Gunna ask you two questions.What is the concept of value?And under socialism. How do the central planners determine value and where goods/services need to be redistributed to?
>>533386925>So, why advocate for socialism, a system which enslaves all?He already explained, this isn't about him improving his own lot in life, just bringing everybody else down to his level of misery. >>533387053>A rich man making a dollar off of my labor while I make a nickelHow many times has that happened to you or someone you know IRL? Give us a few examples.
>>533387229It's their tool. It's not irrevelant, it's central.
>>533385130I think they work best together.
>>533385130It’s hilarious when Americans fail to realize that accumulation, speculation, and money itself are all abstractions, the very measurement of productivity through such is ridiculous. The new system of measurement should reflect actual use such as construction, housing, infrastructure, education, healthcare, industry, manufacturing, public transportation, resource extraction and processing etc. These are all public necessities for a civilization to even exist. Having a currency symbol, the very concept of which is misaligned with its true valuation: air, and using it as a yardstick as such is ridiculous and childish and is below what working class people and the human species are capable of.
>>533387468How is value determined?
>>533385130name a single socialist state that isn't a shithole
>>533385130You have brown skin.
>>533387468How much work do i have to do to get a loaf of bread?
>>533385130Nothing in law makes America capitalist. It’s nothing but a PR campaign to make the lower class serve the upper class.
>>533385130Personnel is policy. It doesn't really matter what the official ideology of the government is, it matters who's calling the shots and what their intentions are.
>>533387351What is the concept of value under capitalism? Simply whatever the masses hyper over? Can you not see the flaw in letting the general public determine through capitalist price signals What has value and what doesn't?By claiming that only the mass psychosis and irrationality of the general public is a valid form of determining what value is, is madness. The general public would value cheap labubu dolls over affordable housing, food, and energy.Are you really claiming that we cannot plan our way to success in a country just like we plan our way ti success with our own lives?
>>533385130Opie is a fag
>>533387762Yes value is determined by what people are willing to do for others based on what is being offered in an exchange. This quite literally like the basis of freedom.In the socialist system. Who are these planners that are now determining what is valuable to people?
>>533387935And HOW are they determining what is valuable?
>>533385130Americans have been conditioned to be slaves for jews. It all makes sense when you realize capitalism is socialism for billionaires.
>>533387409I'm saying that without jews any economic system can be made to work. Some work better than others, but it's irrelevant to the conversation because EVERY system is full of fucking kikes scamming everyone.Preferences around economic systems, organizing labor and resources, and government are a conversation to be had later after we remove the cancerous elements of power and influence that make every system fail - jews.
>>533387935>Who are these planners that are now determining what is valuable to people?Scientists, doctors, resources managers, biologists, geologist, engineers, mathematicians, statisticians, teachers, lawyers, judges, nurses, etc. Through the expertise of people like these and other we can effectively and efficiently plan our way through understanding to a better more harmonious world anon. I do not trust the general public to determine what has value and what doesn't. These are people that choose circus over substance. I would much rather live under an expert planned economy.
>>533388137So you belive that jews can corrupt any system?You believe that some systems wouldn't favorise tolerance to kikes inside your population.A American couldn't think differently if he only take in account US history.They got rid of a system by violence, this one disturbed them.
>>533385130I disregarded most of your post, but the reason socialism doesn't work is because of the Economic Calculation Problem. you could have a society of saints workers and socialism still wouldn't work.
>>533387935Central planning is inefficient and oppressive but the consistent problem with "free markets" especially combined with "democracy" that libertarians often overlook is once a person or company accumulates enough wealth, they start using it to influence politicians to pass laws that stifle their competition and establish a monopoly.We're at that stage now where a handful of corporations are backed by the government, control everything and are enshitifying everything to squeeze every last drop of profit our of consumers and workers and we don't have any good alternatives because the competition is taxed and regulated out of existence.And then you're called a Marxist if you complain about it.Hoppe said to solve this problem without resorting to Marxism is to have a monarch or dictator who's basis of power doesn't rely on money or "campaign donations" and is this free to act against the interests of these corporations and break up their monopolies while still allowing mostly free markets but that sort of absolute power comes with its own set of problems so idk what the solution is
>>533385130Systems don't work because the individual human will always want more, fucking everything up.
>>533388498>Economic Calculation ProblemPrice flagging to signal resource allocation in capitalism does not always work anon. Price flagging is subject to the whims of the general population in whatever they value. The general public could price flag cheaper funko pops as a critical concern over lower food or housing prices. These are known as market failures.Imagine putting trust in the mass consensus of the general public to allocate resources effectively and efficiently in an open market. You may as trust a supreme autist with a nuclear weapon that they will make the best judgements.
>>533388398>I do not trust the general public to determine what has value and what doesn't. These are people that choose circus over substance. I would much rather live under an expert planned economy.Communism at the end of the day is a stateless system. But here it sounds like you have disdain for the common worker and assume they cannot make a rational decision based on their own wants.What it sounds like is that you need a state apparatus in orded to implement your stateless utopia... no?
>>533388849You're right it doesn't always work. It allows for the demands of people to change over time.What people demand now might not what they demand 25 years from now and our system allows for this change to occur. In socialist system. It does not.They quite literally have no way to determine what people demand.
>>533388576>once a person or company accumulates enough wealth, they start using it to influence politicians to pass laws that stifle their competition and establish a monopoly.You mean free markets ultimately undermine themselves because they always tend towards monopoly and controlled markets? Yep, you nailed it.
>>533388849>Price flagging is subject to the whims of the general population in whatever they valueCorrect yes. This is freedom. And something communist seek to strip from others under the boot. Since they cannot allow people to freely trade their time to others lest they cross the decision made by the central planners.
>>533385130This is something I’ve more or less always thought, but it became a conviction last year when i started learning about Marxism
>>533389062And yet we still see the state implement antitrust laws in order to break up mergers due to concerns of monopolization. How is that possible for antitrust laws to exist under capitalism?
>>533388999I agree socialist systems may be more rigid ti change, but there are constants in society that don't need to change. Like affordable food, housing, water, transportation, education, and healthcare. These are constants in society better managed by socialism over capitalism.
>>533388849>doesn't always workthere's no better way to do it and working is subjective.>could flag cheaper funko pops as critical concernbecause it is assumed other needs are met by these people. so long as there's demand for something, there's an incentive to make it. also this>>533388999
>>533389244>betteranaged by socialismagain you run in the ECP.
>>533389242>state implement antitrust lawsHaven't been used in decades. Current school of Chicago mainstream economic thought is that monopoly is efficient......The study of economics itself has been subverted.
>>533388576>they start using it to influence politicians to pass laws that stifle their competition and establish a monopoly.this is a problem of politicians having too much control over the economy, and also with corruption in general. its not an excuse to give the government yet more control and power over the economy, which only means more corruption anyway, >We're at that stage now where a handful of corporations are backed by the government, control everything and are enshitifying everything in canada you have government enforced monopolies because that same government keeps competition down. if those corps were not protected like this it would be a lot harder for them to keep doing what they are doing.
>>533388413The common denominator is tribalism, nepotism, and institutional protection for their minority class.This leads to the neglect of the majority of a nation.They can do this better than any other group because they are spread across the nations and have their own nation they value more.Before it was an idea in the world jewish congress, and the identity was bolstered when they have their identity tied to claim of a nation.If it's communism, they push intersectional progressivism and take the biggest slice from being the biggest victims in the oppression olympics.If it's capitalism, they'll only sell to each other, and impoverish the goyim with high interest loans while jews get interest free loans for business and home ownership.
>>533385130Every economy is some % socialist and some % capitalist at all times.
>>533388999>They quite literally have no way to determine what people demand.so they just produce X amounts of Y thing and say - is good comrade.
>>533389248>there's no better way to do itThat's what those who benefit from the system the most say of course.
>>533389062Yeah. The problem with Marxism is the party claims to act on behalf of the workers but in practice they just become another monopoly that acts for its own benefit and exploits workers. Switch one exploitative elite for another.
>>533389469Pretty much.
>>533389416So how can you reduce the size and power of the government? Libertarians have been trying for decades and had zero impacts
>>533389521In essence yes. All communists are tankies. They don't even believe in a statless society. They'd rather just wrestle control for the state apparatus to force themselves into power.
>>533385130Capitalism doesn't give a shit about progress only profit (for the few)
>>533388413Jews can, and do, corrupt any system they're allowed into because the focus of the economic system shifts to their needs - extraction of wealth from the goyim.
>>533389665yeah, apparently you cant, because it's too attractive to many people to have it. they have their little scams and arrangements and have their reliable income and they love it. just means that we, the taxpayers, always get fucked by them for either money, quality, or, often, both.the reason it cant seem to be reduced is simply that those people love the money and power it grants them.
>>533385130socialism can only work in a homogenous society
>>533389959this is retarded. you forget about the ECP.
>>533385130America has socialism for everyone except working professional making 80-184k annually
>>533385130Impressive. Very nice. Now how about NATIONAL socialism?
>>533389428So we'll need a "system" that doesn't give great importance to money. Rejecting the cult of Mammon.We need a tribalism system when only direct descendants can rule the country and no one can be richer than the leader in the Nation so no one can corrupt him.We need a doctrine rejecting usury, lies and kikes.We had all of that and kikes destroyed everything.
>>533385130Socialism has a less than zero chance of ever working in America because it is not a racially and culturally homogenous high trust society.
>>533389959commies know this only too well. thats why they always talk about creating the New Man etc. all the violence you see from these regimes is just them trying to create that fantasy being, or murder anyone who wont conform to it.
>>533389478>those who benefit from the systemNigger, you've never worked a day in your worthless life and you are kept alive because the people who do work have incentive to do so by way of being allowed to keep a bit of their pay after the state gets done stealing enough to pay for gibs-niggers like you and make-work do-nothing government hacks who exist only as middlemen in this nigger-industrial complex.>those who benefit from the system are the useless parasites like (You) who would be dead within a week if EBT got shut off.
>>533390110Jews can't destroy anything if they no longer exist, or are physically and diplomatically isolated somewhere for the next thousand years to let biology run its course with their rotten genetics.
>>533385130>How old were you pol when you realized that it doesn't matter which system it is.>As long as the there are no jews or niggers, capitalism or socialism will do fine.ftfy
>>533389891jews can't corrupt a Nation of believers. They took over because we are weak (human), we fail easly in our vices and so we try to get away from our Lord.It started with gnotism then atheism. The belief that no one should have authority on men. "We are our own master" "No God, No masters".The rebellious nature of man for his own peril.
>>533390110Jesus fucking christ. Monetary system raise and die over time.But the whole purpose of money is to just put a numbered value on things to solve the barter economy problems.Say I want an extension put on my house. And I'm a beekeeper. And a cattle rancher also wants an extension put on their home.I go to the builder and offer him a months worth of honey. The rancher offers him a months worth of meat. He likes meat more. He wants to go with the rancher. I then have to either offer him more honey to get him to do it.But wait. None of us are traders. We don't know what the current value of any of these are outside of our current circle.It could very well be that a months worth of honey is actually worth 3 months worth of meat. So now when we implement a currency to these things. We get to see their exchange value being determined by everyone else represented as a number.
>>533385130>The only reason socialism doesn't work in America is because the masses have been highly indoctrinated against it.Wrong. Socialism doesn't work with shitskins. This is why it is true that socialism is impossible for your country. The German rivers flooding Europe over the past 15 years are also crashing all of our socialist systems because they were never designed to support non-human actors.And capitalism gets ruined by jews who of course aren't white either.As long as it's performed in a white country, most systems will do fine.
>>533391596socialism doesn't work period.you cannot allocate factors of production efficiently under socialism.
>>533391596Again like what the other anon and I have said. Socialism cannot work as it has no ways to determine what people demand.
>>533391451Money is useful like you explained, it replaced the troc. It was a convenience but now everyvody is a slave of money. Basically nothing will change in this world in our timeline as long as people see money as their God.And how could they imagine the world differently, money is the center of everything in this world.Communists want to take other people's money and Capitalists want to keep it for themselves.Everything revolve arround money.
>>533392011If capitalists wanted to keep it for themselves then nobody would do anything. In reality we all still do things for exchange.
>>533391596North and South Korea started with the same ethnic makeup but produced completely different outcomes, because state-planned economy simply doesn't work whatever the race. Homogeneous Eastern Europe is another example.
>>533385130>Reddit spacing>Promoting commie bullshit>As long as the work that needs to get done, gets done...socialism will do fine.Gonna need a source on that one Rabbi
Pure fagism that OP lacks an A die but is willing to include an L die
>>533389744Also again jesus christ. Kings used to have servants that ran them hot water baths. Filled with soap and luxury. They'd need these servants to go fetch water from the stream. Then start fires to heat it for the lord to have his bath.Nowadays??? Does the poor person have the capacity to run a hot water bath from their own tap in house???Material conditions of the poor HAVE RISENIt is only now do you still view yourself segregated by social strata that you continuously WANT MORE.>well they have a giant private yacht... EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A GIAN PRIVATE YACHT OR I AM LOSER POOR
