It was real developed Socialism and based>The birth rate was high and the population almost doubled between 1947 and 1989 and remained above replacement levels. The party's most successful accomplishment, however, was the rebuilding of ruined Warsaw after World War II and the complete riddance of illiteracy, which stood at 30% in 1931 and at 2% in 1988> The Polish Peoples Republic had a high-imprisonment rate but one of the lowest crime rates in the world. This was often glorified by the ruling Polish United Worker's Party, which described Poland as a safe and educated near-Utopian society.>As a result of the migrations and the Soviet Unions altered borders the population of Poland became one of the most ethnically homogeneous in the world. Virtually all people in Poland claim Polish nationality, with Polish as their native tongue.
This isn't the 1930s, not even the 1980s or 90s. No epistemic hegemony, no power. Game over.
>>533385741yeah but as with everything communist, everything was based on bribing your local party representativeit was a shit system with zero perspectives for the individualand the morale of the worker was extremely lowbecause work was guaranteedthere even was a saying>czy sie stoi szy sie lezy, 2000 sie nalezywhether youre standing or youre lying down, 2000 has to be paidsocialism is a shitty system all aroundadmittedly slightly better than liberal anarcho capitalismbut nowhere near as good as rational nationalism with a protective capitalist system
>>533386003Your ideology is facing the same problem as the other early 20th century social control methodologies. No espistemic hegemony, no power, no social cohesion. Transactional Anarchism is the only thing that can exist in such an environment
>>533385741it was a disaster caused by previous disasters of same origin, and everyone is glad its gone. kys already, tranny
>>533386426What about north korea, they are ideologically isolated
>>533385741Not to mention the ubiquitous informing and agents who reported everything, even their closest friends.>>czy sie stoi szy sie lezy, 2000 sie nalezyI think that if it weren't for the culture of drinking vodka, which was also part of this system (drinking society), and better education and some moral values, well, maybe it would be close to utopia then.
>>533386426my ideology?i dont have one.neither should youan ideology is by definition irational because it is based on un-verified axioms, sometimes completely wrongno, only realpolitik is worth pursuing. aka- rational nationalismall ideologues should get rounded up and summarily executedideologues and moralists are the root of all evil>transactional anarchismthats dumb, because everything can be classified as transactional anarchismyou just have to consider things at the level of the individual>societal/ideological controlyou dont need control. you only need to offer solutions to problems as they come, and people will follow you willinglystack enough solutions and you will establish an education system which will produce an enlightened electorate, you will guarantee audit, you will harden the system against corruptive influence because through direct control and immediate revocation mechanisms the representatives will have to represent their electorate as opposed to rule over them, and you will prevent retards from voting, like with a voring permit. kinda like a driver's licence, with open questionsthe exam would be there only to ascertain an individual has a sum knowledge needed to make enlightened choices when they votedemocracy is the only way forward because its the only system that guarantees checks and balances.its not mob rule because its not anarchyand its not exploitation either because the electorate takes part in the process at all stages
>>533385741Let's go back to 19th century because "birth rates were high" you fucking moron
in late 1950s germans had higher life quality than most of poles, russians, and other post sovok subhumans are having today. communist shills are retarded.
>>533385741I love these retardation. The communist or the capitalist made it 100% literacy and they increased the living standards and all that shit.Bro everyone did that. Japan did that, Argentina did that, every single country in the world did that. Every single country was at like 2.1 kids per woman in the 1970 and early 1980s.We lost interest in kids because they don't do anything for us. Everyone is in education until they're like 22~25. Then nobody owns a property until they're like 3x And then nobody has the wage to support the current materialistic living standard with kids. And there too many distractions. There isn't a single decent country today that didn't do that except all the African ones that are like 75 IQ average. All of Europe regardless of Communism or Capitalism made all of their people infertile, highly educated and very decently rich. Every single SEA country is where Europe was in the 1960s. And will turn into Europe in about 30 years. With negative population growth and decent living standards.
>>533385741youre retarded and / maliciousduring sociaism, me and my parents had nothing, food was for stamps, and corruption was rampant."social wellness" was faked, there was nothing in the shops, luxury goods as chocolate, podered milk or meat was handled from under-the-shelf. To buy something imported, you had to either steal dollars, participate in crime of illegal exchange, or set up for "pewex" bills - a fake-paper that said you have "0.10 dollar", exchanged for insane ratios, so after half a year you could've buy VHS player."industrial growth" was faked everywhere, on paper everything was blooming, in reality there was nothing done, and what was done, was halfassed. I remember my father being ordered to drive empty trucks between two factories only so they can stamp "logistic delivery increased by 50%". I remember pig steel and mangane being shipped to clients in saudi arabia only because saudis were after wooden boxes they were ship in.you have no idea what youre talking about, and youre either really dumb, really uninformed, or spreading lies on purposed.Grzegrzółka.
>>533385741I hate commies, even more subhumans rats who invented it... jews.
>>533388141but thats stan wojenny, no?so its more an indictment of the communist bloc than socialism as a systemim not defending socialism, but the part of "nobody had anything" and "everything worked based off coupons" was a stan wojenny special, no? (i was born in 88, so i remember fuck all from that era)(and i have to say- for some what followed wasnt much better. i played with garbage, and fished bottles from the bins to buy sweets bc pops + moms earned 50 usd/month between em both. artists on a state payroll, so their pay got cut the hardest during our perestroika)
>>533388933no, unless you cound post-soviet nothingness as stan wojenny too. War ended 80 years ago, in late 80' poland still was shit place like russia, hungary or romania. Only thing that saved us from becoming an oligarchy playground was somewhat accountable legislators AND eu pressure, that prevented privatisation-nationalisation circle on unprecedences scale. It wasnt ideal, but it was much better compared to countries i've mentioned.as much as i hate european union, money poured by germany to this country made it flourish, and difference in poland realities after ~2000 is hard to compare.where polish white niggerism made it economy somewhat boom with EU money, hungary and russia just exploited cheap workers and made a group of individuals in charge wealthier.
>>533389346nononot this stan wojennyi mean the stan wojenny called in by jaruzelski because solidarnosc was having too much momentum, in 81' iircruskis and east germans came to the border with tanks, ready to do us like they did in hungary or chech republicand jaruzelski played the card of declaring a state of war in polandbecause poland being a distinct country, and declaring a state of war put all the armies present on poland's territory under the control of polish high command. and polish high command would NOT give the order to run the tanks into the crowdscrazy shit. but jaruzelak saved our bacon during that onebut at a quite steep cost.since were in a state of warthat means centralized war economyand ivans were like>a-hah>you want to fuck us this way? ok, you'll get fucking rationned thenand thats when poland started to export EVERYTHING to rashaand so- empty shelves, and coupons ensuedim not sure but i think that status quo lasted until the end. until 91 if memory servesi honestly think pisowcy have done the jaruzelak dirtyi wouldnt go as far as calling him a hero, but he made the best out of a shitty situationand for that at least he should have been left alone in his old yearsthe biggest hipocrisy is that hes got judged by ex-SB collaboratorsim fairly certain at least kaczory had teczki. so yeah. complete hypocrisy, but thats politics i guess
>>533385741We would be like China if not Solidarność faggots.
>>533390142solidarnosc were honest.lech walesa was not only a collaborator with SBbut he also collaborated with ciaand sold out all of the country's industry for pennies to westernerswho just closed shop, to force us to import their goodim kinda pissed about thatwe had tons of infrastructureeverything got sold as scrapand we had to rebuild from the ground up
>>533390142>solidarnosc were honest.>lech walesa was not only a collaborator with SB>but he also collaborated with ciasolidarnosc were honest.*but lech walesa was not only a collaborator with SB, he also collaborated with cia
just in case, for the lurkers:teczka = dossierand SB is sluzby bezpieczenstwaor security servicesthe polish secret policeaand yes. the vast majority of our politicians in the 90's and 2000's had been collaborators with communist secret services, which they hid very scrupulously, but stuff came to the surface... its a mess. its a fucking mess
>>533387614Because the USA profited massively from WW2 and sent everything it could to help build up West Germany via the Marshal Plan due to strategic reasons. No, your little shack of a nation would not have gotten the same treatment so you can get up off your knees and stop licking boots.
>>533390514>sent everything it could to help build up West Germany via the Marshal Plan due to strategic reasons.that strategic reasone being moneyif memory serves, germany finished repaying the marshall plan, then the air bridge operation in mid 2000's
>>533390514oh, because yeahthe soviets and the americans werent antagonizing in the slightest, behind the scenesthere were multiple technology transfers from the west to the sovviesbut the most notable and unequivocal one was passing the jet engine to the ivanshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Nene#Service_useit makes sense when you consider the context:its late 1946, berlin has already been cut in two with barbed wire and concrete blocks, but the wall wasnt built yetseveral months after the winston churchill speech where he coined the term "iron curtain"in this time the only means to deliver a nuke was by bomberso air superiority was everythingand in this contextrolls royce, a semi national company somehow ended up licencing top of the line, edge of technology jet engines to the soviesin order to... give them air parity?which was the exact reason, actually.if the soviet union was toothlessthen nato wouldnt be justifiedand america wouldnt have their influence institutionalized in europeand given there was kikes on both sides, its safe to assume everyone was friends and the ploy was to antagonize, and thus force the whole world to pick a sideand thus, a hegemon. which the kikes controlled.
Please care about Poland . .
>>533385741everyone since 1980 thought it was just a matter of time til communism in poland collapses on its own
>>533391574id honestly wish everyone forgot about uspolan in mid to late 2000's was peaksadly, that train has sailed, or whatever the kids say these daysso we got epstein'd politicians, and white niggers in the form of ukrohohols whose role is the same as negroes in the westexcept theyre quite more dangerous than your friendly local ghetto gangbanger because being in an active war, theres plenty of veterans among themshits fucked m8 and im not going back to the cunt for the forseeable future or im gonna blow a fuse and then *best case scenario is i end up in jail
ZOMO chads kept PRL running
