At least under socialism I would get a house given to me for myself and my family.Under capitalism you don't even get that.
You work in Bauxite mine now.
>>533398291On the off chance nobody comes along and gives you a house, had you ever considered hedging your bets by getting a job so that you can build or buy one for yourself?
More people died homeless in the Soviet Union in 50 years than in 400 years of American history btw.
>>533398378>just get a job anonDoesn't even matter anon. Housing is still unaffordable.
>>533398291You can tell a disingenuous argument when they offer you only 2 extreme situations as if they are the only 2 choices. OP is arguing in bad faith, perhaps out of stupidity or perhaps in the jewish custom.What is he trying to sell you?
>>533398291It's so much better when the government builds slums and gives them to illegal aliens
>>533398291Oh! Evil capitalism did it again!!Those capitalists are taking the few homes the government gave permits to build!! We need the government to stop them!!Kek you guys are filth and deserve poverty
under communism they also take away peoples houses and put their entire large families in some shitty cramped commie block. Thanks obama
>>533398378he can't due to what is described in the pic. it unironically isnt his fault, he is just low IQ so can't ascertain why its happening.
>>533398516>Open zillow>Immediately find a starter home a 15 minute drive away from me at 1/10th of the cost of my homeYou don't even need to get a job. Just get on welfare and NEET it up.
>>533398291Not given to you. But housing creation would be subsidized. Because healthcare would be free, the money you spend on insurance would be less. And because unions and even co-ops would get "investments" in the way capitalism allocates ownership based on a priori ownership, you would have more ability to compete without selling your soul. And if you did still work for a capitalist... your union would have a real seat at the table. You would have a share in the decision-making process. Socialism is great. It's the real American dream -- not getting lucky based on connections or inheritance but instead working hard and attaining success.
>>533398735Starter homes like that used to cost ~$50-60,000 back between 2009-2014. Jew bankers and foreigners have artificially driven up the cost. $125,000 for that shed is a sick kike joke.
>>533398897It sucks but that's how it goesIf you can't afford it then get in the fucker trailer
>>533398861Damn, that sounds like a dream.The only problem is, the few homes that the government gives permits to build, are very expensive. Are you sure the government can afford to subsidize something so expensive? Again, they are very scarce and as such, more and more expensive. What if they run out of money by spending so much as to subsidize such an exclusive asset?
>>533398291/pol/ is full of insecure hideous incels who are so unfulfilled in life that they can't even handle anonymous strangers accusing them of being "poor" so they will do the temporarily embarrassed captain of industry/finance cope ad nauseam. Nobody here is rich. You all make roughly 40 to 80k, slack off at work and like to smoke weed and play video games. Wealth inequality has never been worse. The opportunity is factually just not here anymore. Call me poor now, don't give a shit. Make sure your doctored bank statement screenshots are perfect.
>>533398291While the meme is true, OPs statement betrays his lack of understanding of socialism. To state in over simplistic terms, socialism doesn't give you a free house, it just removes the ((pig)) from the picture>>533398735>>Just get on welfare and NEET it up.Socialism also removes this. Socialism is against parasites on both sides of the economic scale
>>533398291full socialism is shit too, the best is a mix of bothKeep things like healthcare, houses, education socializedAnd luxury things like cars, entertainment, eletronics etc are free market
>>533398735>748 sqft>$125,000>27% black town
>>533399185at least some of us are not fucking retarded
>>533398291>central banks keeps interest rates artificially low>asset prices across the board skyrocket>institutional investors are forced by regulation to keep part of their investments in real estate>zoning laws prevent supply of housing to rise appropriately>price of housing and land skyrocket>"how could capitalism do this??"
>>533398516OK. Well good luck waiting on the government to give you a home then. >>533398705>According to some retarded cartoon I found on r-antiwork nobody except the fat guy in the top hat is allowed to pay a builder to put up a house.Right, I forgot about that. Well, I guess there's nothing else to do but wait for the government to come take care of us then.
>>533399230>do important things poorly and unimportant things efficientlyi would rather get a great home and great healthcare and be on a waitlist for a smartphone and a gaming pc, but ok
>>533398291You wouldn’t get a house, you’d get a commie block apartment and live around a bunch of nogs
>>533399412just how utterly fucking stupid are you, you dense piece of shit? the government literally requires permits to make homes, no one can just make their own. and they're insanely expensive as a result, and working men can't afford them. this is a libertarian take, not a redditor take. redditors blame speculators or something.
>>533399057Literally the only problem with a trailer is you don't own the land it sits on and the "rent" for it is extortive
>>533398291Zoomers are the first generation to have zero hope of home ownership and it's no coincidence you feel this way. Your despair will eventually boil over into action and when that happens you and your zoomer cohorts will try to rearrange the Monopoly board. On the surface this sounds based however it was all part of the jewish plan. Jews will leverage your desperation to trick you into yet another shitty jewish communist revolution and by the end of it nobody will have anything or be happy except a small oligarchy of jewish overloards.
>>533399419housing under free market doesnt work, wealthy people always keep demand absurdly high so prices always go upgood luck competing with buying your first home vs some boomer who owns 17 homes and gets 50k a month just from renters
>>533399381And what hyper precarious pump and dump are we pretending we struck gold on today? NFT's? Ornamental rugs?
>>533398291Why didn't you buy it from Bob the Builder for 300k then?>>533398422Calm the fuck down you're still some 50 years away from 300 years
>>533399529housing under an actual free market is different, what you think is free market is heavily regulated, i am done explaining this over and over
>>533398861>>subsidized.Government subsidies are almost an antithesis of socialism. Government subsidies are nothing more than welfare for the rich. There is no instance when a subsidy does anything but increase costs. Tuition, WIC, and the welfare shoe allowance are great examples. Most perfect 1:1 example happened when most of you were toddlers. When the government decided to make tv signals digital rather than analog there was an uproar from the liberals that the poor would be disenfranchised because they couldn't afford new tvs or $20 analog-to-digital converters. Government issued two $20 coupons to every low income household to get converters. Guess what happened. The base price of a converter went up to $40 (its because demand increased. ...really...)
>>533399250Either that or spend 1.5 million on a McMansion where all your neighbors are indian and 40 of them live in each house and you step in jeet shit everyday walking from your front door to your car.
>>533399554the latest shit coin, i dont remember the name, but, i'll make it this time!! i've been looking at my phone at the warehouse job all day to check the price!!
>>533398291lol>he's seriousLOL
>>533399455>the government literally requires permits to make homes,Building permit is $150 in my town and the code enforcement officer is in his late 80s. Pay your money and have a septic plan besides a pipe coming out of your house into the neighbor's yard and you're good to go.>no one can just make their own.Are you sure? I have a few friends and two uncles who made their own home. The house I own now was built by a guy the locals called "Cocaine Kenny". >working men can't afford themEvery adult I know owns their own home, or could do but chose to rent for quality of life reasons. What exactly do you do for work?
>>533399642What regulations retard?Regulations are irrelevant, people who have more before you will always have more in an accumulative market
>>533398291that's now how the housing market works kid. When you see houses being flipped like this, the flipper buys an old house in terrible condition that's not even up to code and spends a lot of time and money renovating it. You're welcome to buy a cheap shitty house and renovate it yourself if you don't like it, there are plenty on the market.
>>533399498>>Zoomers are the first generation to have zero hope of home ownershipJust the ones that insist on living in megacities and resort towns.
>>533399745Maybe you live in an area where it's different. I guarantee homes can't be prohibitively expensive there if that's the case.Maybe you are not intentionally lying, but you're unknowingly talking about land which is already bureaucratically designated as legal to build a home on, so everything is easy if you have that. But that land is rare and highly exclusive.>Every adult I know owns their own home, or could do but chose to rent for quality of life reasons. What exactly do you do for work?Professional gooner>>533399764Kek, what an idiot, hmmm what regulations?? I don't know, limits as to where people can build a home? So land where you can do that and the bureaucrats wont send armed men to tear it down is RARE, EXCLUSIVE and costs big €€€? You literal JEW
>>533399826Alright so just the vast majority of them.
>>533399945>So land where you can do that and the bureaucrats wont send armed men to tear it down is RARE, EXCLUSIVE and costs big €€€? It affects everyone not just first time buyers retard
I voted for thisWe voted for thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAimMtJWOhsHomechads stay winningLazy leftist rentoids deserve this. They don't work hard enough; they could never maintain a house themselves anyway
>>533398516>SomeBODY once told me>The price is gonna troll me>I ain't the richest guy in this shed
>>533398291real capitalism has never been tried, in a true free market the ultrawealthy would have to pay for their own protection instead of outsourcing it to the government>>533399405but muh usury or something
>>533400515????? HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU????I HOPE YOU CAN'T AFFORD A HOME. I HOPE YOU'RE A WAGIE IN CAGIE. YOU ARE FILTH. YOU DESERVE TO SUFFER FROM WHAT YOU IMPOSE ON OTHERS BY BEING FUCKING RETARDED.
>>533398291This is why we need a land value tax.
>>533398524You tell me. To own an apartment, read not house, that somewhat sits between family, work, and not bumfuck nowhere, would drag me into a loan for 27years.A house on the outskirts, or what you call suburbs, 35years. The kicker, an empty plot of land next to it is barly cheaper because "you can still do everything with it".This wasn't always like this. I'm sitting at the second highest income bracket and every tax textbook still tells me that should result in 10years of work to call your own home. It's all fucked.
>>533398291>I would get a house given to meNo you wouldn't, retard. You would get a living space assigned to you in exchange for doing the work assigned to you. It's the same as now just without all those troublesome choices.
>>533398291>I would get a houseyou mean a cramped apartment with noisy neighbors on four sides
>>533399948>doesn't break down COLA and state taxes by state.We know you're trying really hard, jamboy. But you really suck at lying and every really already knows you're a dalit shitskin poo eater.
>>533402684*everyone
>>533398291We don't even have capitalism. That has not existed in generations. The modern world operates under financialism, (Judaism).
>>533398291>At least under socialism I would get a house given to me for myself and my family.>he doesn't know about Soviet housing area standards
>>533402684>>533402714You're just mad you got called out for perpetuating the "housing is only expensive for city folks" psyop.
>>533399529>housing under free market doesnt work,It does work if we also have monetary free market.But we have State money monopoly with money printing privilege transfered to several Jewish banks it's absolutely retarded (and not free market) system.
>>533402834How is that a lie? It's a fact that everything is more expensive in big cities like NYC and LA. On top of those jacked up prices you also get taxed to death for every single fucking thing they can tax you for. You spend $3500 a month to rent a broom closet in Queens when you could rent a 5 bedroom house in FL on 2 acres of land for the same price. Why are you even arguing this? Have you never been to a big city?
>>533398378> buildbuilding your own house is illegal, and besides, there is nowhere to build it, all the land is owned.
>>533399945>But that land is rare and highly exclusive.No it isn't. 80% of the population of the USA lives in 10% of the landmass. The overwhelming majority of land in this country works just like I described. (You) seem to feel entitled to a detached home on some land in the tiny sliver of the country that is near some major metro but not quite within smelling distance of niggers. Sorry, sucks to suck because there's 100 million other blokes who want to live in that same tiny area and the people who are already there are saying "fuck off, we're full".Sort yourself the fuck out, there's starter homes in your country for under 50K eurobux. Get a fucking job, nigger.>Professional goonerI'm going to go out on a limb and say that compulsive masturbation and feeling sorry for yourself on social media is probably not getting you any closer to home ownership.
>>533403002how would you prevent house hoarding in a monetary free market?lets say someone owns 10 houses and keeps buying more houses so the demand for houses is always extremely highhow can a first time buyer compete with him when the market price is adjusted for a person who owns 10 houses and not a person who owns 0 houses?
>>533402791>We don't even have capitalism.That sucks. Here in the USA I'm still free to own my own company or buy and own equity in any company that someone else is willing to sell a part of. >>533403026>Have you never been to a big city?Most of these whiny cunts havn't left mommy's house in years and they get their information on housing prices from doomscrolling social media.>>533403105>building your own house is illegal,That sucks, which law prevents you from building your own home?
>>533403158>house hoarding1. Buy a shitload of houses (one of the least liquid assets you could own)2. Pay property tax, utilities, upkeep.3. ????4. PROFIT!For fuck's sake, I thought you people were supposed to be smart with money.
>>533403026I just noticed you aren't the anon claiming only zoomers who live in cities have zero hope of homeownership thus perpetuating the "housing is only unaffordable for city folk" psyop. It's a classic jewish lie by omission because like the population density map shows most people live in cities therefore housing is too expensive for most people. Always call out that bullshit every time you see it anon.
>>533403252The USA and every other country operates under financialism. The Jewish monetary instruments utterly dominate every aspect of the economy.As for building a home. Try building your own house, and you will quickly run afoul of those laws. They will tear down your house unless if conforms to rules so strict its in all practical terms illegal to build your own house.
>>533403518What do you do for work that you specifically must live in a particular major metro?
>>533403728>>533403728>The USA and every other country operates under financialism.I see, so if you make up words that invalidates my freedom to own the means of production?>Try building your own house, and you will quickly run afoul of those laws.Which laws? Cite some of them. >They will tear down your house unless if conforms to rules so strictWho is "they"? Which rules, and where are they written down? How many times has that happened to you or anybody you know IRL?
>>533403446Wtf are prorperty taxes? some kind of commie thing?And renters pay for utilities, all you have to do is upkeep which isnt that hard
>>533403729I work for a major metro.
>>533398291Given to you? Who would give it to you?This is why you zoomer faggots love communism and socialism.. because you imagine things that are not real such as someone somewhere will give you the things you want for free for whatever reason, but this is not how it works.
>>533403893This is an obvious example of a disingenuous glownigger (or glowmigger, I should say). Fuck you and fuck Israel.
>>533398291Come to canuckistan and move into on-reserve housing (indian band).
>>533398291>At least under socialism I would get a house given to me for myself and my family.Not necessarily. You could also get a house to share with several families.
A decent sized 2br 2 story house would cost $100,000 in materials and a month of labour to build. You would want two or three guys for a few days to simplify things.
>>533403158Bring crime to the area so it gets a bad reputation All of a sudden the value of all the houses and apartments gets effectively halved in like 10 years.
>>533403123I give up. You're hopelessly fucking retarded.The worst part is how you think this is about me not being able to afford a home and complaining. Kek.
>>533403911>Wtf are prorperty taxes?A quick Google search shows that your word for that is "Arnona"https://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/en/Live/ArnonaAndCityTaxes/Pages/default.aspxIt's a tax levied on real property by towns and cities that they use to collect revenue to pay for municipal services like sewage, water, emergency services, police, parks, and maintenance of public areas and roads. >And renters pay for utilitiesSo owning a property is a guarantee that you will have renters that pay, pay on time, and won't do more damage than their rent covers? I know people who manage rental properties and it seems more like babysitting niggers and other degenerates who aren't credit worthy enough to get a loan for a home they can own. But you do you. I'm sure it's just a license to print money and is no risk whatsoever.>>533403974>I work for a major metro.And they don't pay you enough to live there? On the bright side, whatever civil service job you do is likely in demand somewhere at a pay rate that can afford a home nearby. >>533404142Can you cite some of the laws that stand between (You) and building your own home?
>>533398291who owns those retail companies again?
>>533404722>I give up.You have given up on life long ago I'm sure.>You're hopelessly fucking retarded.Yeah, I guess I'm too dumb to listen to people like (You) telling me everything is hopeless and there's no point in trying, so here I am sitting comfy in a house I own on 10 acres of land. >The worst part is how you think this is about me not being able to afford a home and complaining.OK, so you actually do have a job and own a home then? Why would you be here telling everybody it's impossible then? How did you manage to overcome all those laws you imagine prevent anybody from having a home?
>>533404884Arnona is paid by the person renting the apartmnet >So owning a property is a guarantee that you will have renters that pay, pay on time, and won't do more damage than their rent covers?No but usually you take an extra cheque as a guarantee that if any damage is done you can use it to pay for it and the sum is usually pretty big it covers most of the damage that can happen
It is really funny how communists and nazis hate each other. One would assume, if their goal was the betterment of common man, they would put their differences aside and fight the system.That they don't do that makes one suspicious about their motives. Perhaps they don't want to make the world better for the common man. Perhaps they simply want to become the new elites
>>533398291Just work harder, goy
