Why are poor workers so opposed to socialism?it really doesnt make sense unless you lived in a country in which they experienced "socialism" as an authoritarian dictatorship
>>533417108"Socialism" means high tax on them and less job for them
Too lazy to find a job, but would work if given one or if they were forced to.
Because it means bigger state, which requires more funding which is often taken via taxation.So, you have poor people who can barely make it and you tell them you're going to take even more of their money.>But we'll use to give them better conditionsIt is always used inefficiently.The most efficient way is to let them have their money and work on themselves.Socialism only benefits those who can't do that and most people would rather believe they have what it takes to make it. They might be living on hope, but to tax them even more is to take away that hope.I hope that answered your meme question.
>>533417108Their complaints are a reflection of capitalism anyways
>>533417108Because they think they'll pick themselves up by their bootstraps. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>533417306why not just tax rich people more instead of poor people to finance better conditions?
>>533417108Socialism in the west is just minor reforms, it’s Fabian socialism which is effectively useless
>>533417108My local "socialist" groups and unions have become preoccupied with "intersectionality" which means troons and immigrants.
>>533417505unserious
>>533417505thats one of the things i dont understandwhy are reacism/sexism suddenly the loudest themes of WORKER movementsi understand being tolerant of these things but why do they push it so hard compared to wages, housing and workers rightsthey just ridicule themselves
>>533417429Because it starts that way, then when the rich are taxed at their limit, the state works its way down the line.
>>533418127>the rich are taxed at their limit,what do you mean by this?the rich hoard most of the wealth yet they give back as little as possible they are never taxed to their "limit"
>>533417108when we didn't have an immigration problem capitalism worked just fine for me, I literally walked into a shop talked to the manager and he gave me my first job, just like the boomers said. this was 2005.
>why do people who go to work for a living not like it when we try to take the fruits of their labor and give them to people who don't workit's a fuckin mystery to be certain
>>533417429The top 1% of earners contribute 40.1% of Federal taxes in the US.Removing tax on the extremely low income earners is usually the best incentive with the minimal amount of budgeting issues.
>>533417108>workersThis is the key word.You see, they know they are going to be forced to work harder to pay for even more social parasites like you.
>>533418377i work for a living my whole adult life though and socialist policies only became more attractive to me the longer i worked>>533418364actually not a bad idea >>533418320dont you guys throw all the illegals out right now? there should be plenty of work for you now yet still no one seems to be able to get a jobatleast thats what i hear from america
>>533418320You have a lot of open welfare and healthcare fraud yet no Socialist will get behind prosecuting it.
>>533418203the rich can leave and take their money with themit's called capital flight, and it's been devastating NY state
>>533417108I don't think they are. The younger set are more enamored of socialism right now than any group I've seen since before the 80's. I've come to the conclusion every generation needs to be burnt by socialist policies before they reject them.
>>533418510>actually not a bad ideaYeah we did the opposite here where we had a minimal tax rate for people under a certain income and effectively doubled it. Generates basically no cash and just means apprentices and part time workers either need to get paid more or stop working.
>>533418203You can't tax above 100% of their wealth.There is a limit.
>>533418203>yet they give back as little as possibleThe top 1% of earners contribute 40% of the Federal budget.
>>533418549almost like the fraud is the fucking point amirite>allow obscene amounts of welfare/medicare fraud>fraudsters all pay kickbacks in form of political donations & "voter outreach program" contributions>convince every member of ethnic community fraudsters come from to vote as a bloc for party that facilitates fraudthat these retards don't seem to realize that this is the very indictment of socialism as public policy is proof positive that they are too retarded to be involved in politics>>533418510idk anon, i only know one guy who doesn't have a job and he's ducking child support payments so it's less that he can't find one and more that he doesn't want onei also don't live in a blue state shithole, so that could have something do with it
>>533417108>it really doesnt make sense unless you lived in a country in which they experienced "socialism" as an authoritarian dictatorshipSocialism always ends up a dictatorship. It's literally in the plan, a dictatorship to move towards Communism (the salvation myth of the communists).
>>533417108Socialism = Jewish scam 100% of the time.
>>533419184Dictatorships are good actually
>>533417108Poor workers don't want to compete with third world shits, that's why they are mostly far right.
>>533418572sure they can move liquid cash but not physical assets such as factories and real estatealso western countries such as the US, UK, France ,Germany give liberties and QOL that would be hard to find elsewhere
>>533419265This.I hate commies.Also, every goverment has all nuances within it, from capitalism to unfortunately communism even. The key is to always make sure there is as little filth as possible in it. And, if there is some filth in it, it's important to make sure it is where it belongs. lolAlso, define poor! Because how can one be poor say in Europe and North America, how! The fact one lives there alone bumps you to world middle class standard wise.
>>533419530>such as factoriesWhich if they exist domestically are owned by their company not them. If tyou tax tgeir company more they'll raise prices.
>>533419315This, I actually wouldn't mind having a dictator if it meant getting free housing and neetbux
>>533417108Because the most useless people get genocided aka the poor
>>533419717>If tyou tax tgeir company more they'll raise prices.but wouldnt that mean their competitors get an advantage and obtain bigger parts of their market share if they have to raise prices while their competitors can stay the same?
>>533419904....Who are their competitors? Importers (you just destroyed a bunch of jobs and taxbase) or other companies domestically (you've just shifted the income to another company that you'll fuck up the tax on).
>>533419530>Germany give liberties and QOL that would be hard to find elsewherehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus-Michael_K%C3%BChne>However, Kühne does not pay any taxes in Germany for his holding company or his private assets.The richest German doesn't pay tax.
>>533417108they are not opposed to national socialism. they just suffer from mass immigration more than rich workers
>>533417108people would be more open to socialism if there werent so many fucking illegals and other people that shouldnt be here that burden the system and make it worse.
>>533417108Because at least they are smart enough to understand that why so called "benefit" being offered to them by the very same people with the boots on their neck are all liars and scoundrels. If only you were at smart as them.
>>533417108You refuse to build a functional and non-corrupt state even *without* socialism.So no, you don't get to have even more money to fuck things up.Maybe get rid of all the niggers your government imported and we'll reexamine your performance next quarter, okay anon?
>>533417108The biggest hurdle naive smart people face is coming to term with the fact that most people are in fact really fucking stupid.Stupid people are overwhelmingly the workers. They lack the IQ and education to become self employed and run business. Cynical smart people exploit that ruthlessly and furthermore manage to convince stupid people that this situation is good. They take control of government, laws and education. They control the propaganda machine. Its so pervasive it becomes culturally ingrained.Despite the blatantly obvious insane wealth disparity, the legal injustices, and huge gaps in standards of living and health care.Its very little different from training a dog. A dog has roughly as much mental capacity as a 5 year old human. Now consider many humans do not develop mentally much past the age of 12. Most dont get past the age of 16. With that understood the nature of society becomes a lot easier to understand.Put it this way. Socialism was a concept dreamed up by some smart but very naive people. The cynical smart people hated it becasue it meant they would no longer be able to exploit the masses for their own personal gain. So they did everything they could to undermine it, and being cynical they mostly succeeded.
>>533419530>factories ('capital assets')sold at a loss for tax-loss harvesting purposes, thus denying the state revenue>real estatetransferred to holding companies based out of tax-friendly havensalso "sold" at a loss to holding company (owned by the same person) for further tax-loss harvesting under owner's Tax ID (and further denying the state revenue)i'm not even a tax attorney, anon, the guys who know all the loopholes can find much better onesin the modern era, information (knowledge and skill) are the true capital, and telecommunications makes it possible to leverage from anywhere in the world.
>>533420133since the only goal of business is to obtain a profit it would realize that complete surrender to other companies would be an even worse financial decision than staying at competetive prices the domestic companies that swallow the higher taxes will come out in a more advantageous position>ImportersForeign companies have a higher logistical hurdle to beat and can be dealt with via adjusted tarrifs if necessarythe threat of increasing taxes is always loudly shouted by the rich and big companies yet they are of little substance>>533420885please enlighten me smart american what you know about politics in your 2 party dictatorship i am very much interested and will totally read your timewasting amerimutt babble
>>533421788this is quite a good argumentwe really need socialist policies that can prevent such loopholes and wealth extraction from our countries
>>533417108Because they don't want to be taxed when they become billionaires
>>533421950>since the only goal of business is to obtain a profitWhich is diminished if they are taxed more. >Foreign companies have a higher logistical hurdle to beat Because China doesn't dominate global trade through cheap labour. There's not a point in your argument, manufacturers largely have left Western Nations decades ago because it's cheaper to avoid regulations. You can't tax your way out of a deficit, it just leads to plutocracy.
>>533419265Gotta love the anarchy "A" associated with the hammer/sickle, always makes me kek
>>533417108socialists are weird and don't drive my agendathey should also believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, but they always refuse to.
>>533422210and then you will forever stymie innovation and advancement because the only people who will bother to do anything are the very parasites who run the system, who will have every reason to keep things as they areeveryone else will do the bare minimum because any surplus generated by effort, efficiency or ability will be taken and given to those who do the bare minimum anywaywe already know this from russia
>>533417108Higher taxes obviously, fucking retard. If wagies get taxed 30% that's rent, that's a car. If rich people get taxed 45% they're fine, they have enough left over for many homes and many cars. Fuck I hate socialist retards.
>>533417108They do ACTUALLY believe they will get to the top, they are just a disease away from poverty
>>533423667This mentality is why you have no middle class, lazy mexishit.
Because what socialism really means is a bunch of room temp IQ bourgeoisie taking absolute power and telling you how to do everything while they make half of you suffer and then kill the other half for wrong think
>>533417108Because "socialism" always comes with flooding the market with cheap labor nowadays. And chasing off businesses without ever committing to any sufficient form of capital control or protectionism.
>>533417108Trumps gunna make us workin folks all rich, he’s just gotta get things right with Israel and deport all the moozlems and illeGALS
I'm only interested in National Socialism
>>533424380China is doing everything Hitler wanted for Germans
>>533417108they're often dumb, so they get fed misinformation that they only digest insofar as they get free things for less effort, and that sounds grand to themthey never get briefed on the part where it's all just a jewish scheme in reality designed to create slave classes under them
>>533424469Yeah mainland Taiwan and norks are basically the only ethnostates on the planet. They just hang up pictures of Mao and hungry Santa to pay lip service to gommunism
>>533417639>reacism/sexism suddenly the loudest themes of WORKER movementsBecause it's a cia psy-op to push white people away from workers rights movements
>>533417108Think of it this way germ. Can you afford a centralized AC unit and be able to run it year round? The answer is no. Simply because of socialism.
>>533421624Socialism was invented by the smart cynical landed gentry to quash middle class bourgeoisie who might displace them in the upper ranks.
>>533417108"Socialism" from some one who thinks it means free shit.
>>533417306Wut?Socialists tend to put the chronically unemployed into camps.
>>533417108>Why are poor workers so opposed to socialism?Because socialism entails taxing those poor workers even more - either through direct income tax, or inflationary deficit budgets - to pay for people who don't fucking work at all plus paying government leeches' salaries. Even if there was no underclass of shirkers stealing their money, the government bureaucrats are just one more burden on the working poor.Just let working people keep their goddamn money.
>>533417108The establishment basically found very effective ways to turn the populace into a bunch of uncle toms
>>533417639Becuase theres no one joinin_ unionsmore unions are being dissolved than created.Alot of groups are suffering a recruiting crisis.
>>533417108>Why are poor workers so opposed to socialism?>it really doesnt make sense unless you lived in a country in which they experienced "socialism" as an authoritarian dictatorshipThe red scare mostly. The socialist is always depicted as a super bad guy thug villain trying to get all the power in the media. They think utilitarian society is the only way to do things and are unable to think critically as to why it is limiting.
>>533430863>>533430894well, for one, you're conflating mid-20th century 40k state religions with today's "we take half of your salary and tell you that you now have ""free tap water"", oh and Jamal in tax dole housing is getting 1200 Euro to go out and fuck your women """""socialism"""""...
States and politicians are literal cancer. Society worldwide was way better before this mentality that the state has to be this omni potent / present entity that has to solve every problem, starting post-WW2 and effectively consolidating around the late 50s.To give one example, VAT was introduced in France in the 50s. A tax for every product sold to final consumers never existed before. Now you will be hard pressed to find a country that doesnt have it. How much damage do you think a tax like that has done to the common folk? Its literally thousands of billions of dollars in economic lose and the only ones whp won where the politicians, which nowadays have more privileges than ever.Only a subhuman would look at this and be "yeah, im cool giving those guys more power".
>>533431001>>533431180With all said and done, your ideology still sucks.
>>533428628This is the only answer. Workers want their lives to improve, not for their wealth to go to inferior or lazy groups while they slave away even more under tyrannical degenerates.
>>533419265>>533419700>>533417108because right wing workers are literally retarded subhumans. we're talking about people who would vote for a pedo that destroys the economy and supports israelthese idiots blame jews, then vote for a dipshit that supports israel
>>533417108theyre not needed and not accepted by a real socialist society.these are the people that WANT to be as low as possible they are beyond help and will not participate or contribute.an ideal socialist society doesnt need them because the people actually pulling the weight makes them redundant and unnecessary.they are people who outright refuse to understand things or learn things. not that they cant. they can. they refuse.
Where'd you get your statistics? Who did you ask? Poor workers have tried to organize labor movements and big companies always wiggle out of it and surround them with more obstacles. Organized labor is nearly impossible with mass immigration and outsourcing in play.
>>533417108First defund Europe completely, then wait a year, then see euros complaining out of starvation, then wait a year, and then and only then finally have a conversation about this
>>533417108Because they don't want to lose what little they can get from the system.
>>533417108American Boomers need to die out before things change here, in multiple ways.
>>533417108nobody trusts the leader to look out for them. Why give the government more power when the current one already is failing you?Calling it socialist or whatever label you want doesn't matter. At the end of the day there is a faggot bureaucrat wielding the power trying to impress some stupid bitch or whatever stupid shit is going on in his retard brain.
