Evolution is bullshit. There are a lot of closed minded atheists here that will tell you that some group of bugs decided “hey I didn’t get eaten when I was on these branches so I think I’ll look like them from now on. better change my genetics” what a load of shit.>it happened over million of years! Okay!?
>>533419085It has never made sense except in the brains of people who think they are really smart because they are capable of imagining things happening very slowly. The actual empirical evidence for macro evolution is non-existent. It's a fantasy.
It has never made sense except in the brains of people who think they are really smart because they are capable of imagining things happening very slowly. The actual empirical evidence for macro evolution is non-existent. It's a fantasy.
neat bug fren
>>533419085bait used to be believable
that's a big sticc
>>533419085Nobody in the world thinks that except maybe you dumb niggers. The environment selects.
The ones that didnt looked more like sticks were the only ones that survived. Bugs dont make decisions, retard
>>533419085I'm just here for the violence.
>>533419085>>533419271Whatever, you overpaid glowfag retards.
>>533419606lololol
>>533419557Not bait. You can’t explain how a bug can perfectly look like a stick
>>533419085That’s one of those New Guinea walking sticks right? That’s a sweet fuckin bugPost some more bugs
>>533419699Maybe I'm wrong. Explain why evolution doesn't make sense...
>>533419621So the bugs just consciously altered its genetics to appear as a stick
>>533419855No. The bugs that did not look like sticks died without passing on their genes. You do not understand the theory you are attempting to discredit.
>>533419085>it happened over million of years! Okay!?This is literally their only argument other than self reference as an appeal. Genuine proof to our society become retarded that this is how the accepted religion
>>533419855>So the bugs just consciously altered its genetics to appear as a stickYes through millions of years of sexual selection pressure. Do you think it was unconscious living beings doing all of that?
1. Offspring are not identical to their parents2. Sometimes the differences make them slightly more likely to survive3. Repeat for a billion years
>>533419855nothing conscious about it, the bugs that stood out died before reproducing at a higher rate and the ones who looked more like the vegetation successfully reproduced more often
>>533419855No. Over time the genetic variations that were suited for their environment get selected for. A big that looks slightly more like a stick gets eaten less and has more children until they look very stick like.
>>533419085Sticks evolved to look like those bitter bugs so animals don't eat them
>>533419855The entire strategy of shills is to pretend not to understand how things work thus making discourse impossible.
>>533419951> nothing conscious about itClean the retard jewish materialism out of your mind.
>>533419085That's not how evolution works, fucktard.
>>533419085There's literally no reason evolution and intelligent design can't coexist. Christians are so dumb.
>>533419854>"This impossible thing happened because everyone else in the species who didn't do it just died off. How did it happen? Well trillions of years of course"If I have to explain why this is retarded, I have a bridge I'd like you to consider purchasing.
>>533419999Checked and extremely factual.
>>533419770I dunno but I'm waiting on that massive whale sonar sound to be found. Like how have we not found him? Unless it was some dumbass low-tech subtamine trash. I ask the important questions, that I'd like an answer to. No one you know will ever know if evolution is the way they say it is(currently).Also the missing link doesn't exist because we have a problem proving theories, and just delude ourselves. The aryan brain remembers when we were on mars.
>>533419921How did the bugs begin to look like sticks? Fucking retard.
>>533419085
>>533420017Do you think short men or tall men currently reproduce more...
The very idea of existence is supernatural. How could the big bang just “happen”?. The laws of the universe are inscrutable
>>533419927>Those finches beaks just look like that, okay!
>>533419085>OP is ignorant of science>therefore Science is BullshitKill yourself retard
>>533419085Yeah, the jews already wrote to perfection how the world came to be, all these silly non-Noahide ideas need to be scrapped.
>>533419271They have already breed new species and preformed evolution in the lab, proving it empirically. Retardhttps://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/595467
>>533420045That was just plate tectonics. It only sounded like a bloop because they sped it up massively. Otherwise is sounds like rocks rubbing against each other.
>>533419921>>533419927>>533419951>>533419983>muh million years!So when does reproducing a lot reflects the environment to change its looks so it doesn’t get eaten by predators which means a bug can perceive what predators see lmao
>>533420142Yeah, but if I tell myself "God did it" then I feel better. So that must be true. The people that I pay 10% of my income to every year also agree.
>>533419085Yes.Thats exactly how it happenshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
>>533420285No it means they don't die so they have more kids... Are you actually retarded?
>>533420216>doesn't know the difference between natural selection and macro-evolutionYou don't even know the theory that you're trying to defend. Your retardation is evidence that mental illness is a requirement for believing in this jewish shit.
>>533420216I like this one.https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8
>>533419085>>533419271How you low IQ faggots survive without a tape constantly reminding you to breathe in and out is a mystery to me. Holy shit.
>>533419999This right here, they refuse to accept Iran got owned the same way.
>>533420131short men because asians are smaller and there are many million more of themnext question
>>533420285Anon, either you are too drunk to be posting or I am.
>>533419271The evidence for molecular evolution in genetics is overwhelming. For any gene conserved across a wide number of species, expected near-species on basis of morphology/traditional phylogeny will also have the most similar genes to each other.
>>533420331lmao the Irony of calling evolution Jewish shit while you believe Jewish fairy tales ahahah
>>533420355Opinion and all future replies disregarded
>>533420299>Yeah, but if I tell myself "nothing did it" then I feel better. So that must be true. The people that I pay my taxes to every year also agree.lmao you pwned yourself
>>533420331calling something jewish while simultaneously shilling muh 6 days creationism shit from the old testament which definitely is NOT jewish is some fine autism
>>533419085Think of it as "falling into success." Imagine you have a strange and unique talent, I don't know, you're really good at taking dicks up your arse. You can take more dicks than anyone else in the world. People take note, you start to make a living taking dick, now you're rich. You have some butt babies or something, idk, however fags breed. Not only are your kids now better off because of your success, but they inherited your unique talent for taking dick, OP.
>>533419085If they're Atheists, they're close minded.
>>533420327When do they become sticks
>>533420250You sure about that homie?Like shouldn't we hearing seismic shit literally all the time? It's like how we have 1,000 earthquakes a day, and none of them are felt. But seismographs pick them up. I dunno, I want to believe in gigantic whales. Also Charles Darwin was fucking asshole aristocratic probably also secretly gay.
>>533420322Apparently that story is totally fake. In fact I'd say if industrial smog was so thick that trees went black, the moths would just get poisoned and die
>>533420473There is no evolutionary pressure put on tall vs short men. In fact, short men are more likely to reproduce because they generally live longer than tall men.
>>533420477I don't tell myself that nothing did it. I accept that I don't know. The people I pay taxes to don't care what I believe. If I don't pay my taxes they will fuck my shit up at gun point whether I agree with them or not.
>>533420559So short man has 5 more years between 78 and 83 to breed more huh
>>533420536It might be a once in a millenia thing like the blowing of mt etna or krakatoa. Geology is kind of known for freak things no one has ever seen before happening.
If you don't believe in evolution, it means you don't believe in inheriting genes from your parents. If you don't believe in inheriting genes from your parents, you must believe dumb shit like two black people having white non-albino kid, or two short Asians somehow giving birth to a tall bushman. Your whole world will instantly become retarded.
>>533419085Based and Creationpilled.
>>533420527... When did people stop being monkeys? It's a slow change that benefit the individual until they are a new species... It's literally why niggers are still 3 IQ apes. Their environment didn't need them to not be retarded because they never needed to plan for tomorrow. It was always warm and they were surrounded by food.
>>533420609It might be negligible but since men can reproduce until death, it applies. You think there aren't old fucks out there making babies?
>>533420585>The people I pay taxes to don't care what I believe.The irony if you saying this while repeating public school indoctrination and social programming.
>>533420559The evolutionary pressure is literally women hating short kings because nobody respects midgets... What? The pressure can come from anywhere
>>533419085>choosemutations are semi-random based on the environment, there is no "choosing" in evolution, some mutations just survive while others don't.
>>533420689Obviously very easily counteracted by other factors. It's more likely short men and their smaller kids starved to death slower so had a higher chance of surviving bad seasons
>>533419085>Evolution is bullshitI bet you know absolutely nothing about evolution and how it works.>closed minded atheists This is the funniest projection from a retarded theist cuck I've seen in a long time.Beautiful thing about science is, that it's true, regardless what a retard like you thinks about it.
>>533420740That's not true, though. Short men still pull women. Why are you acting like a woman's opinion matters? Are you a simp? Pretty sure those women are killing all their kids anyway so the other anon had the right of it since it literally doesn't matter to asians who are reproducing like crazy.
If you believe:>offspring inherit traits from their ancestors>those traits are not always perfectly replicated>those better suited to their environment are more likely to reproduce>life has existed for a very long timeThen you believe in evolution.If you don't believe any one of these things, you're blind to what's staring you in the face.
I also wonder what creationists think dog breeders do for a living. Or why cattle owners are picky with what bull they allow to inseminate their heifers. I also wonder what they think or vestigial organs are, and why we'd have them. Or why whales would have hip bones. Or why animals like ostriches would have wings for no fucking reason when they can't fly with them.
>>533419085As whatifautist pointed out>from all the hills they could defend be it moral, ethical, metaphysical where atheist can easily be pummeled they chose the dumbest and less defensible one.Fuck off jew-brainwashed nigger and AIPAC thanks you for another billion for Israel.
>>533420878Kek fine faggot... Dogs. Let's do dogs. Do you agree dogs were wolves until we domesticated them and bred them into different variations?
>>533420837So requiring less resources to sustain yourself doesn't apply today because...?
>>533420764At what point does the genetic code that changes the pigment/whatever come into reality. So a bug just survives because it was on a stick and its genetics just went “yea that’s why we got to fuck” total bullshit
>>533420710You have no idea what they teach in public school you home schooled weirdo. Teaching people the fundamentals about our understanding of this universe, like chemistry and biology, is not indoctrination. It doesn't matter who created it, or even if anyone did. They are very clear on things like the "big bang" and evolution just being theories. If you propose a better idea I'll listen to it. So far you have not. For the moment maybe God is behind it all, or maybe not. Fill in the gaps however you want, if you need to.
>>533420844Science says that men can be women and niggers are humans. I think your “science” gods forsaken you. Enjoy hell
Evolution is fake and gay just like the Jew space god creating Earth from nothing is fake and gay
>>533420933I think even medieval people have already figured it out, literalism is a comparatively recent phenomenon originated from calvinist-jews going schizo from having to read the Bible without any sort of previous hermeneutic tradition.
>>533420935Tests by God or traps by the Devil o algo
>>533420674But the fossil record bro. Keep digging asshole >>533420612Yeah I dunno man. Perhaps. My thinking is, is that you cannot drown water monsters, but you drown land species.
>>533420333>we are evolving when we dose venom to build up resistance Lmfao i'm just a dumb brit but holy shit you're dumber
>>533420951What does that have to do with anything? You think dating app trends reflect society as a whole? The chinese and indians are short fucks and have no problem making other short fucks. While women who demand a 6' man kill their own kids at rates never before seen or could even be imagined by our ancestors.
>>533421116No answer the question faggot
>>533420506theres a very good reason why americans are african nigger tier iq aside from the very top 0.1% that immigrated because of opportunities. and even that is now coming to an end because retards would rather believe some random podcaster than an actual scientist.
>>533420952It does. I'm just explaining the life expextency thing you said was retarded manlet cope. And I'm a manlet
>>533419085Your first post was good, but you don't have enough quickness to keep your replies fresh. Just stick with the initial attack and leave it, these evolutionist faggots have drank too much jewlaid
>>533421112How does that not show evolution, stupid? There's no doses. You fundamentally don't understand what that experiment is even showing.
>>533419085If evolution is bullshit OP, how come you turned out to be such a cocksucking faggot ?
>>533421029What does God say about you as a male having nipples? and a tailbone
>>533421137No, I don't think I will. No man can tell me what to do. No canadians either.
>>533421178How is that a cope? Living longer gives you more chances to pass on your genes. Where am I losing you?
>>533419085how does it taste like?
>>533421116I thought we were debating something important. Fuck ho's and fuck Darwin.
>>533421257Kek cool. Hide from confrontation like the lying faggot we knew you were. If you can't answer a simple question I'll accept your defeat
>>533419085Fucking retard. Only bugs that looked like a stick didn’t get eaten, so those were the ones who passed on their Genoese you fucking dumb ass. They don’t just decide one day; the organism with specific beneficial characteristics reproduce and pass that trait on.
>>533421104Hilarious.
>>533420965think about it this way, in essence evolution is not that much different from for example dog breeders. animals with certain traits survive and get to breed, their traits get passed on and traits that didnt get to breed faced a genetic dead end and eventually vanished.
>>533420965>At what point does the genetic code that changes the pigment/whatever come into realityat conception?
>>533419085Based OP BTFO'ing anti-God faggots.
>>533419271Macro vs micro evolution is not some black and white category. By conceding micro evolution you concede macro evolution.
>>533421257>no uhhhhh you see i need to be contrarian that's why i can't answerHow convenient.
>>533421304I'm not saying crazy shit doesn't exist in our oceans. I'm just saying it only sounds amazing because they sped it up greatly.
>>533421293You actually thought it applied to very elderly men
>>533419271People will say shit like this, and then tell you the world is 6000 years old. I have family members who are literal creationists and they have a very hard time thinking the world is any different than the book of genesis says word for word.
>>533421316It literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We're talking about if short or tall men reproduce more and asia proves it's short men. You put too much stock in tinder filters like the faggot you are.
>>533421350It happens in the parent, the genes they pass down
>>533421304>I thought we were debating something important.We're debating dinner!
>>533419085>hey I didn’t get eaten when I was on these branches so I think I’ll look like them from now on. better change my geneticsIt is recorded that traits that help a species survive propagate, this is just true. Genetics mutate.>closed minded atheists However given this line you probably believe that a magical man older than time summoned all of existence from nothing in 7 days
>>533421116Jeets are living proof that evolutionary psychology put forth by redpillers is both fake and gay. If they were correct then the world would be filled with Aryan ubermensch yet the white race is set to die out in the next 300 years. Meanwhile jeets exist over a billion strong in their homeland and exist on every continent in the world. A repulsive goblinoid race that has adapted to survive living in literal shit being the most populous in the entire planet is proof that traumatic insemination and r-selection reproductive strategy for humans is what ends up winning.
>>533421375Why do I need to argue under your rules? If you have an argument, make it. Don't beat around the bush like a little bitch.
>>533421430No faggot we are talking about evolution. You are focused on this one point because you know if you answer my question I will prove you wrong. Literally pathetic. There is a reason Asians are the least desirable on all sexual interest ratings. Defend what you think nigger. Were dogs wolves until we bred them?
>>533420559People with stunted growth are universally less healthy, weaker, and lower in IQ. They're runts.Since women cannot gauge male IQ or strength they are stuck trying to gauge height
>>533421397Are very elderly men not reproducing? In fact, thanks to manmade horrors beyond our comprehension, elderly women are also reproducing. Have you checked the list of oldest mothers to ever give birth list lately?
>>533421507What the fuck are you even talking about? That other anon asked you a question and you avoided answering it like a bitch. Now I know that you are a bitch. That's all. I'm sorry you are so autistic that I needed to explain this to you.
>>533421543I believe in evolution. I also believe women should shut the fuck up.>>5334215543 billion indians and chinese prove you wrong.
>>533419271Creation of new species was observed in laboratory. Ofc darwinism is shoved down the throats of goyim as a counter religion but that doesn't mean it can be dismissed as false.
>>533421621If he wants to make a point then let him make. I refuse to get dog walked by a dog fucker.
>>533421447partially, yes, but you also have your own unique genetic material
>>533421456Hear about those guys that are flash frozen mammoths in Alaska.BBQ mammoth is the choice meat.>>533421386They sped it up for mass consumption for popular science and other rags, still unsolved though. If you think it was a seaquake, then I will understand your way of thinking, I will not say you're incorrect or correct, because I don't have enough inputs solidify a point of thinking myself.
>>533421693He made his point and you consneeded it here: >>533421659I honestly do respect you more for doing that. That's more than most anons are capable of.
>>533421659That's what I thought faggot. Trolling isn't impressive when you just lie about not being retarded. Enjoy whatever this is.
>>533420543>Apparently that story is totally fake.Fucking retard.Its a highly documented event.The trees around the plant were covered in soot from coal.Ever handle charcoal for a bar be que?Did your hands turn black?Did you die?
>EVOLUTION ISN'T REALOk, but now you have to explain WHY God made Indians intentionally.
>>533419855The only conscious decision is when God made man in his own image and then told him to cut the tip of his own penis off. That's intelligent design
>>533419085Midwit thread
>>533419085Selective breeding is how these traits were passed on until they dominated the gene pool entirely. That's one thing though, divergent evolution is complete nonsense and Jewish demoralization propagated by soi brained sci-fi fetishists. Ecclesiastes 1:9.
>>533420989I went to public school from kindergarten through university and was an atheist until my early 20s.The theistic worldview is the only one that has a coherent epistemology and ethics. Materialism cannot account for the possibility of knowledge or logic, and it cannot provide any coherent ethics without appealing to one's personal preferences (moral relativism).
>>533421807He didn't. The Devil did. God only made Adam and Eve at the beginning who were light skinned light hair people.
>>533421807They were different species of humans that survived until modern age.
>>533421756That's just my personal belief. It would have to be some hellacious creature to make such a sound.>>533421760What point? Are we being bred by a higher intelligence to breed tall people instead of short ones?>>533421763How am I trolling? You brought up height in humans having evolutionary pressure put on it. China + india blows you the fuck out handily.
>>533421874>fair skinned and light hair>in iraq
>>533421807This world is the hell of a different one. We all did some bad shit in our past lives.
>>533419472>The actual empirical evidence is non-existent. It's a fantasy.Just like your favourite god. Right? godtards seem to think that if they can successfully shit on evolution, then their favourite god magically becomes plausible. Even if the theory of evolution is 100% bullshit, your magic invisible floating faggot in the sky zapping up a universe with his magic wand remains THE most retarded fairy tale ever told.
>>533421943Every time you don't answer the dog question proves you are afraid of me...
>>533421981I'm not paying for that
>>533421863>Materialism cannot account for the possibility of knowledge or logicKnowledge and logic are ideas. Ideas exist in your brain as an emergent feature of neuron configuration.>it cannot provide any coherent ethics without appealing to one's personal preferences (moral relativism).Ethics are a human invention. Obviously the only thing that matters with it is how humans choose to use it.
>>533421863Then you should fucking know better than to claim that any underpaid useless fuck in that system gave a single shit about what we believed about anything.Fill in the gaps however the fuck you want. I don't care until you start imposing shit on me based on whatever the fuck you made up or latched onto. Then you must convince me. And if you do not then we will have problems. So I suggest you stick to your own little corner of this hell that we live in.
>>533422000Taking the bible literally is the dumbest fucking thing. Yeah bro, some dude lived inside a fish for 3 days. Give me a fucking break. God, whatever that might be, created us through the process of evolution.
>>533419085YOU'RE BLAck
>>533422045Like I said, I'm not gonna be dog walked by a dog fucker. If you've got a point to make then make it or shut the fuck up.
>>533419621Explain how eyes developed then. Keep in mind, not only does the eye itself need to randomly generate from some mutation, but the brain also needs to randomly mutate in order to process the information taken in by the eye in a useful manner.It's too much to be the product of random chance.
>>533422094No retard you don't need God for logic. God exists independent of morality and logic. Terrible argument on both sides.
>>533421742Yeah but a lot of our body mutations don't get passed down, the 2 lots of genes are isolated
>>533419271
>>533422097>God, whatever that might be, created us through the process of evolution.So why call it god?
>>533421943Intelligence can ultimately get you more resources which can then get you access to pussy. It's not a negative trait. Height is also a positive trait. Being intelligent and tall is the best combination, but it's not the only possible one.
>>533422137Yes but other people are reading this and are watching you hide from me. That's all I want. You are sucking my dick whether you like it or not
>>533421800But they weren't covered in charcoal, industrial waste isn't that bad
>>533419085If it eats the stuff in the forest it lives in, surely it will absorb the same colors over time. Makes hiding easier so survives better too
>>533422213how can we compete
>>533421874But the Devil cannot create.
>>533422149It took a really, really, really long fucking time going through many different iterations before we landed on our current eye. You can find proto-eyes in fossilized creatures.
>>533419085It's not random, it's consciously guided, but no retard the bug didn't start like that.What's crazier is eyes, and how tigers evolved orange fur because their prey see orange as green, but hair pigments can only be orange not green. How did they know what the prey saw and that that would work? It's a higher consciousness guiding our evolution.
>>533419271we did it to dogs and still are doing it to many other animals but it called domestication anon. Do you think the fruits and vegetables you get at the store are like because of "nature" alone... How long do you think it takes if we could change genetics in less than an century
>>533422166Did you reply to the wrong person or am I making arguments I'm not aware of?
>>533422097Yeah but where is the fossil record? I might believe in some crazy shit, but you think we evolved from African people, you are the moron.Inb4 citing some hair brain jewess who found 2 bones pieces 100 miles away in North Africa
>>533422166yes the gay killer retard outside of space and time
>>533422149>I don't understand>therefore magic invisible floating faggot in the skyThe alternative to making up retarded garbage is to simply admit that you don't know how these things arose
>>533421200>there's no dosesThere are 3 bands with increasingly stronger doses in each... how are they not doses? And the ecoli covered the whole lot, it didnt thin out, it didnt change how it looked. It just increased its resistance by absorbing amounts that dont kill it before the next time it increases it's resistance +1. They are microdosing antibacteria
>>533422307Kek no I'm retarded you were not the right person. Sorry anon.
There is enough variation in species to result in the creation of new species after many generations. Evolution is real but there is something else going on. Its not random.
>>533422086>Ethics are a human inventionWhat of guilt and remorse?
>>533422225I don't. It's just a concept. I'm agnostic so who knows what the fuck is going on.>>533422227That's not what I meant by higher intelligence. Wouldn't that support the idea of intelligent design anyway?>>533422238I'm not hiding from anything. I'm telling you to shit or get off the pot. Your fag precludes most people from considering a thing you say anyway.
>>533422359Fossil record
>>533422401assbabies when?
>>533419085>be bug>have wings>lose wings>wtf im stick now
>>533422424What about them?
>>533422427Dogs... Were they wolves until we bred them? Anything but answering is the definition of you hiding from me.
>>533422427>I don'tYou just did
>>533422401The genes are random, the selection process isn't. It's environmental and sexual.
>>533422427Sorry. I misunderstood. But it's sort of related anyway in that there is more than one positive trait. If you are a tall dumbass maybe you get yourself killed at 11 years old before you can breed. And since your dumb Chad ass died at 11, some loser manlet gets to fuck Stacy instead. Because he wasn't dumb and didn't die. You see?All these things are competing with each other over time.
>>533422502coyote dog hybrids are a thing, the average dog is generally who knows what kind of original canine from the past
>>533422502Ok now try to make a fish into a human. Your millipede catfish land walking piece of shit must have some fucking extraordinary environmental factors lmao
>>533422553There are considerably more factors but I agree until someone agrees to the existence of the baseline any further discussion is useless
>>533422378They're not dosing anything. They set up different environments that only through evolution could be colonized by the bacteria. If you dropped it in the middle, it dies immediately. If you drop it on the sides, resistant offspring will eventually be born and able to populate it. That's a visual representation of evolution. You think mrsa isn't proof of evolving?
>>533422611we should be giant crabs by now
>>533422637what like a lungfish? mudskipper?
>>533422630Sure coywolves are even a thing... What was your point? Are you saying all dogs are not the descendants of wolves?
>>533422322Our fossil record it at the bottom of the sea since we were an aquatic or semi-aquatic creature at one time.
>>533422637https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAQuoH_fOWM
>>533422637What? Be clearer
>>533422688I didn't say they didn't exist. I just wanted to pronounce the ridiculousness of it
>>533422682not everyone is trying to be an artist anon, Nor do everyone has the mentality to be one
>>533419085>>533419271
>>533422643What baseline? There are other things like genetic drift and epigenetics, but sexual selection and natural selection are the big ones.
>>533419085burn all protestants at the stake
>>533422812Yes that would be the baseline...
>>533422682It's possible that there are other universe where we are. Or that this universe repeats in variations where that happens sometimes. We don't really know fuck about shit so anything is possible.
>>533422516>Whatever that might beWhat do those words mean to you? God is a concept. I never said it was a tangible thing.>>533422611But humans have much less evolutionary pressure today than ever before. You can be completely fucked up and still survive and reproduce. Look at that other canadian's parents.
>>533422094I hope the best for you dude.
Evolution works through natural selection not bugs deciding to change. Bugs that look a little more like sticks by chance survive and reproduce slightly more often than those that do not. Over millions of years and countless generations the ones that look more like sticks pass on their genes more successfully until the population as a whole looks like sticks. No conscious decision just better survival and reproduction adding up over deep time.
>>533419085Nah dude, this shit totally happens by dumb luck alone
>>533419085>Evolution is bullshit. There are a lot of closed minded atheistsEvolution, all of the abrahamic religions... well ALL religions, most of theoretical physics, the globe earth, 'race' , and many, many other things are bullshit. Humans seem to love to roll in it just like dogs. I'm a non shit rolling atheist. If you can't prove your bullshit then you are rolling in it.
>>533422874Kek still pretending you aren't hiding? Fucking pussy
>>533422812How many changing species in a single generation sterile? We can't make a liger fuck another liger, and produce another liger.Over millions of years is this sustainable?
>>533422839That's YOUR job, papist. I won't do it for you. Shame that pontiff of yours ain't keen on violence of any kind
Kek look at him seethe. Just make whatever point you're trying to make, dipshit.
>>533422710some people legit have Neanderthal DNA, with the amount fuckery that we used to create pugs who knows what early humans also achieved via something similiar if not other disasters caused them to bang the most familial thing
>>533422939They actually have had ligers reproduce, though.
>>533422874>the environment changedYes. Yes it did. Because we changed it. With humans there is sort of a feedback loop. It's very interesting really.
>>533422874We are just evolving to accept more poisons genetically.
>>533422939Kek that actually proves the point not contests it retard... Yes when things become different enough they are a different species... You are soooo fucking stupid
>>533419085The jews are right about the goyim.
>>533422086I can make universal moral claims, therefore morality is objective and universal, and not subject to the preferences of individuals.For example, it's wrong to rape children - that's a moral claim which is always true in every circumstance. inb4>b-but what if someone LIKES raping children?
>>533422939They might be to genetically dissimilar to produce viable offspring. There are canid species that can't even mate. African painted dogs and maned wolves are obviously related to other dogs and wolves, but they've been isolated for so long that they are no longer genetically compatible with other canids.
For those kids out there that still think evolution THEORY is fact - Darwin was a freemason. That should be enough to understand it's all a load of shit.
>>533423047Well, to say that sexual selection influences human evolution is kind of debunked by that. There are very few limiting factors to us reproducing, height included.
>>533422285Yup, you can. And you still cant explain how said proto eyes developed. Or how single celled organisms randomly turned into multicellular ones. Or how sexual reproduction developed. Or how life spontaneously arose from primordial soup.
>>533422985Neanderthals actually had many significant advantages over humans. They were generally much smarter and their infants matured much faster. They simply got out competed because they were more solitary and those that didn't interbreed got murdered by more social homo sapiens who worked in packs. There used to be many smart humanoids we just murdered the fuck out of the ones we couldn't rape.
>>533422877Thanks, anon.And I for you. I just take it a day a time and keep my faith personal.
>>533423058So contest the point. If successive species drift and can have LESS offspring, what is this?Sounds like perpetual population collapse. And don't fucking flatter yourself Canadians are basically American rednecks.
>>533423197Kek still running away eh faggot? Can't answer simple questions on dogs? Is your world view that fragile? You seemed so confident
>>533419085The bug didn't decide shit. That's not how evolution works, you're retarded. I always see people who don't believe in evolution having no basic understanding of how it actually works. It's not even hard to understand so they're either a fool or playing the fool in bad faith.
>>533423156>it's wrong to rape childrenThis doesn't actually mean anything. It's no different to saying "I like chocolate ice cream."
>>533420142>How could the big bang just “happen”?My theory is that there is no actual beginning and end to the universe, it's eternal and will eventually return to a state where A big bang will happen.A god may or may not be involved.>>533420543>There is no evolutionary pressure put on tall vs short men.Tall men kill short men easier for 99% of history. There is your evolutionary pressure.
>>533422473What is the mechanism for intense emotional response to committing an action you deem to be a human construct? It's not brought upon by a fear of imprisonment for the vast majority of people.
>>533423206I can explain it by us talking to each other right now. If it didn't happen then we wouldn't exist. Maybe it's wrong but it at least offers an explanation rooted in observable science. We see evolution every day. If we didn't then how do new strains of common cold exist?
>>533423251They can't have offspring with... Other species. Aka the ones that lack the genes that made them successful. Thats literally the point. Nigger what? Differentiation and divergence is the entire point.
>>533419472I look at that picture and can instantly recognize my enemy. It's visceral, not learned. I just know.
>>533419085Maybe the bug absorbed some of the tree DNA over time…?
>>533423206You can ignore him he is a pussy troll who can't defend the most basic of questions.
>>533423291You spent 9/26 posts trying to goad me into answering you instead of one post just telling what your point is. Are you indian, perchance?
>>533423156>it's wrong to rape children - that's a moral claim which is always true in every circumstance.Tell that to Muslims. They're bound by their holy law to explain why it's actually good that their perfect prophet fucked a 9 year old girl and how we should all do our best to emulate such behavior.>>533423349The mechanism? They're called neurotransmitters.
>>533423327Yeah, because in your nihilistic worldview it's just atoms making slightly different arrangements.This worldview is the end of humanity once enough people adopt it.
>>533419085You take that back
>>533423339Yet cave men were much shorter than modern men, strange. You seem to discount resource requirements for some reason. Pretty sure the thing about men that makes us special is that we can think of ways to kill stronger creatures through mechanical advantage. You're kind of a retard.
>>533423499No nigger. You've proven you are a disingenuous faggot. The way to deal with you is to make you explain what you think since anything I say you will have some off topic bullshit response. So prove me wrong entirely through your thinking. I might be wrong I'm probably dumb. Prove it. Are dogs the descendants of wolves?
>>533420435>he IMMEDIATELY attacks the bible.Why are atheists literally ex-theologian religious retards? You are literally a theologian singularly attacking the bible only, how the fuck can you be this fucking close to danger and not see the irony?>Evolution is bullshit>J-JESUS! GAH!Do you see how this causes problems for 90% of common atheists that pretend like they didn't steal theology from religion and then defraud the bible on the basis of opinion in order to generalize ONLY that specific belief system.You're practically a religious militant just without the affirmation of a God, and in particular the one you think out of all of them would exist is apparently the one from the bible, since that's the first assumption you make, based on theology you clearly fucking copied from the book to hold that view.Why do people like you even exist? your self-awareness chips teeth. God and religion aren't synonyms, so stop using religion as the excuse to not consider the existence of a deity. Especially in case of the bible, which blatantly condemns religion based on what happens in Genesis 3.
>>533423439Niggers probably didn't look like niggers a long time ago. Niggers developed darker skin and nappy hair to protect them from the sun. The Sahara wasn't even a desert 10,000 years ago. Also Homo sapiens have only been around ~200,000 years.
>>533419085Religious faggots never get bored projecting about other people being close-minded. Their argument against evolution is like looking at your hair one day and saying, "It looks the same as yesterday. That means it never changes." You retards really can't fathom trial and error or change over the course of a long time, but you're the open-minded one? There are animals like the mudskipper fish that can breathe on land and underwater, showing a venn diagram style overlap in adaptation to different environments. You pretend a god created man's best friend when we literally eugenics dogs over thousands of years to be the good submissive slaves that millions of people now enjoy as a family toy and take for granted.
>God made us perfectly in his image>Except the tip of the penis, gotta chop that off
>>533423339>Tall men kill short men easier for 99% of history.Kek. This is the source of manlet rage, along with the fact that chicks are size queens. If I had a dollar for every manlet who has sperged out at me for absolutely no reason, I would be a trillionaire. t. 6'4"
>>533423627Prove you know nothing about haplo groups without saying you know nothing about haplo groups.
>>533423449Bugs used to have sex with trees, but they lost the technology to do that. It’s the only explanation.
>>533423590>10 posts begging me for attentionThat's pretty sad, even for a jeet.
>>533421800But maybe the speckled moths just were covered in charcoal making them look black?
>>533423516Okay and what is the determining factor for such a response opposed to a positive affirmation of brain juices?
>>533419559Big büg
>>533423418I'm not moving the goalpost, but when did humans diverge from lower sapiens. And why did homo evolve so fast that we don't have a track record? Ice sheets is that it? Because even your evolutionists cant figure this out.You give creationist all the gunpowder in the world, because the paleontologists can't fucking figure it out.and you wonder why people dissent
>>533422254Are you implying if I force my children and my children's children and their children's children to eat leaves we will make a race of green humans to hide in plain sight from the local tax collector?I'm sold!
>>533423659I didn't realize your height made you impervious to a 5' man's bullets.
>>533423693Kek nigger this isn't just our thread... Everyone sees you hiding from me. I destroy everything you say and you won't answer the simplest question because you know where it leads. Im mentally cucking you and everyone is watching. It's cool if you think this is going well. Nobody smart does.
>>533423723I already explained that to you. We were a primarily aquatic species for much of our history so the fossil record is at the bottom of the sea, if it exists at all.
>>533419085I totally believe it. We're watching people change in just our own lifetimes, probably because the food and lifestyles are so vastly different over the past 50 years and they have been over the prior 100, and then those vs the 200 years before that, and then 400, and so on.Even dogs breeds have evolved in relatively short timeframes. Given enough time I totally believe the weirdest shit could have evolved.
>>533423723What... What track record do you believe is missing? Ask and I will provide.
>>533423813What did you destroy? You've been begging me to answer your gotcha question instead of just stating your point bluntly. You have to be a jeet because you act so womanly.
>>533422902That's also evidence for intelligent design
>>533423587>Yet cave men were much shorter than modern men, strange.No it's not.They started shorter and the taller ones killed the shorter ones easier and also hunted prey, with longer reach, easier.It's an ongoing thing.>Pretty sure the thing about men that makes us special is that we can think of ways to kill stronger creatures through mechanical advantage.Entirely irrelevant between humans.You god bothers really don't give your deity of choice much credit. Even I as a sometimes deist have more faith in an all powerful god being able to set up a system of laws that would result in more efficient species.
>>533419085I've never understood the evolution vs. creationism debate. I believe in God, but I also own horses and understand that we're able to manipulate development. We've gone from creatures that weren't far removed from donkeys to massive creatures able to blow to 45mph in a couple of strides.There's no divide here in my mind, I don't understand the controversy.
>>533423866That's the change from being r-select to K-select that just happened in the past century.
Where is the evolution though?>>533423627
>>533423723Building societies is what caused rapid evolution. If a person is raised like an animal, they behave like an animal despite having a big brain.
>>533423889Why would it be a gotcha.........
>>533423710Some intrinsic motivators:>I get good chemicals because I see naked lady. I get bad chemicals because I see man with big stick trying to hurt me.Some extrinsic motivators:>people treat me good when they see me give to the poor so now giving to the poor give good chemicals. People treat me bad when I rob someone, so now robbing someone gives me bad chemicals.It's not that hard to make these logical conclusions yourself. Try asking yourself these sorts of questions some time rather than asking them in bad faith to others.
>>533420322>>533420543>>533421800https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_melanismthere's a whole section here with alternate explanations
>>533423400Thats not an explanation dude. Youre essentially saying, "this is the best theory mainstream science has come up with, therefore its true and should be accepted as such". Its bullshit. You know its bullshit. Only idiots, or people who are angry at God, believe that this is all a product of random chance. Im not saying pick up a Bible. But I am saying that something we do not and cannot understand created all of this. Too many pieces had to align, perfectly in time with one another, for this to be chance.
>>533423659Pretty much.>>533423763Guns didn't exist for 99% of history. Are you perhaps an idiot?
>>533423813Hillbilly, I'm having fun. You should too.
>>533423918Smaller men ARE more efficient, retard. They take less resources to maintain themselves. Nothing says a tall man is more fit than a short man when weapons exist. A short man can just as easily kill a tall man. You only see our history as conquest and not survival. How do those tall men fare during a famine?
>>533423970Are you autistic or aspergers by chance? That was a very strange and detached representation of how i imagine someone on the spectrum would think
>>533423964Why won't you just state your point? I'm starting to think there is none.
>>533421361No you don't. Conceding the long term effects of micro evolution would simply mean acknowledging that you could have many varieties within a family of organisms. It would not concede that given enough time any one family of organisms could become a completely different family of organisms (i.e. fish becoming reptiles or insects), or even could go from one kingdom to another (i.e. bacteria -> plant), since that has never been demonstrated. It is simply a matter of faith that it must eventually happen given enough time because you already take for granted that it happened in the past (i.e. there had to have been a first animal that wasnt originally an animal, and a first plant that wasnt originally a plant, and so on), when the truth of that itself is actually the question in dispute.
Natural Selection is a passive process, not a conscious one.How it actually works: A bug doesn't "decide" to look like a leaf. Instead, in a group of bugs, a few might be born with a random color mutation that makes them slightly harder to see. Because they aren't eaten, they survive to have babies, passing on that color. The bugs that didn't have the mutation died off. Over many generations, the entire population ends up looking like leaves.In biology, mutations are random errors in DNA that happen during reproduction. Most mutations are useless or harmful, but occasionally one provides an advantage (like better camouflage). The organism doesn't control this; it is a "glitch" that happens to be beneficial.In evolutionary biology, this is called Deep Time. The argument is that while you cannot see a major change happen in a human lifetime, tiny, incremental "glitches" in DNA add up over 100,000 generations to create entirely new features or species.The author is using a rhetorical device called a strawman. This is when someone simplifies or misrepresents an opponent's argument (claiming bugs "decide" to change) to make it easier to attack and knock down. Scientists do not claim that organisms consciously change their genetics.
>>533419855>>533419085>>533419271You are clinically retarded.
>>533423977Wrong. Everything had to happen exactly how it did or we wouldn't be here talking to each other right now. I've never seen a deity create something or really even felt their presence in any way whatsoever. I have seen examples of evolution. The common cold is one.
>>533424077Kek faggot you just admitted you won't answer my question because you know it would prove you wrong... What are you afraid of nigger? Did you literally admit I gotcha without even trying to defend your point of view? Do you realize how cucked that is? Dogs... Were they wolves until we bred them?
>>533419085So you believe everything just came into being exactly the way it is and always has been? Ever seen people who succeed in mating and others who don’t? Whose genes are in the gene pool? Is it those who succeed in mating and adapting? This should be understandable to all of the incels here. Thats evolution.
>>533424021Neither did battles mano y mano. You can just as easily ambush or catch a tall person unawares or outnumber them. You seem to have this idea that humans only ever fought head on and that's far from true.
Anyone can ask me a question and I'll answer honestly because I believe the things I think and I'm not a fake faggot... Im not scared of other people's opinions
>>533424172I don't think sexual selection of completely pre-existing gene encodings is what OP is talking about
>>533424172>Ever seen people who succeed in mating and others who don’t?
>>533424049You height doesn't determine how smart you are.A smart tall person had the advantage over a smart short person for almost the entirety of history.>Nothing says a tall man is more fit than a short man when weapons exist.Reach is a thing you know.>A short man can just as easily kill a tall man.No he cant because he will already have to be in killing range of the taller man before he gets his chance. This is true for most of history.>You only see our history as conquest and not survival. How do those tall men fare during a famine?Pretty well since they have the advantage of taking food from shorter men who are at a disadvantage to resist.
>>533423884250k yrs ago. Monkey hominid to homo hominid "link">>533423959This is bullshit and I dont believe it
>>533424172>This should be understandable to all of the incels here.true
>>533424163Prove what wrong? What do you assert my position is? I have 40 posts espousing my beliefs. If you have a point you think In haven't addressed then make it.
>>533423942It's mostly retarded burger cucks who keep this debate up. There is no good faith argument against evolution that has ever been presented. It's just strawmaning and personal incredulity every single time
>>533424230I'm starting to think you might be an offended manlet.Nothing you have stated here actually give a short man an advantage because the same is true in reverse.What isn't true in reverse is the physical advantage that tall men had over short men.
>>533419770Because the ones who could hide survived and passed their genes on. They don’t become stick like to survive- the ones who looked like sticks had a natural advantage and their genes were reinforced and passed to future generations. No one contends that animals changed strategically and immediately out of intentional strategy
>>533424021>Are you perhaps an idiot?He certainly is, and he also outed himself as a manlet. TOP KEK
>>533424328Fossil record nigga. There is no link between africanus and proto indo Europeans. None.
>>533424300There was a lot more going on in our history than battles, retard. Nothing says a tall person will be smart either. You see humanity as battling in the coliseum instead of making it through the winter. You have a very narrow view of what humanity was like.
>>533424050The detached tone was intentional, we are having a scientific discussion so detached and uninvested is the correct tone to take here.There was some obvious nuance that you seem to have missed though. You aren't explicitly thinking those things as emotions well up. Emotions aren't logical conclusions, of course. The point is your emotions arise from a combination of intrinsic (evolutionary; for direct biological function) and extrinsic (socially or due to rough association with biological function) motivators and not a result of rational thought. Think Pavlov's dogs. >bell rings>food comes>salivateLater:>bell rings>food doesn't come>salivate anyway
>We have unironic Abrahamist larpers on here saying evolution isn't real.Grim.The material world is ever changing, yet stays the same.
>Be G-d>Just finished up deciding how much of their dick my chosen people should cut off>Time to design a new insect>What should I do this time>Hmm, I know, I’ll make it a stickSo was he like running out of ideas? Long day?
>>533424375>Have 100 short warriors>Have 20 tall warriors>The tall will win because... I said so, that's why!History is more complex than two men facing off one on one.
>>533424162>ive seen evolutionI doubt anyone here is arguing that species do not change over time. What we're arguing is that evolution fails to explain the spontaneous appearance of life, or how insanely complex lifeforms developed from single celled organisms.>ive never felt the presense of GodThen I pity you. Have you considered trying? It doesnt need to be a magical sky daddy, or Jesus, or Buddha, or anything like that. It's just something greater than you. That's it, really.I wish you well anon. Have a good night.
>>533420142the big bang probably didn't 'create the universe', but it did jump start a lot of rocks.Empty space is just photons and extremely tiny particles. these particles are constantly vibrating in an interlinked mesh. Vibrations can travel very very far through this infinite mesh of particles.When vibrating, they have a chance to collide. this eventually creates a single carbon atom. these atoms then vibrate and clump together, forming rocks. these rocks, in the infinite-ness of outer space, in an infinite amount time, can only get bigger. Then it becomes a game of worm.io of giant rocks enveloping smaller rocks and more rocks being created over time. Carbon is the most basic building block of most of outer space. So I would wager, hundreds of trillions of years old for all that to form. Do people really think Jupiter came from nothing, instantly? The biggest suns and planets started out as a carbon atom and grew, one way or another.
>>533424301>This is bullshit and I dont believe itWhy? You realize environmental pressure plays a big role in evolution, right? What happens when a group self-selects for cooperation and ingenuity and discards the idiots and troublemakers?
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>>533424301Humans have been very similar for the last 250000 years. We have 3 million year old tools found probably from austhrolepithicus or something. The main differences over the last 500000 years are probably more from interbreeding rather than direct evolution
>>533422322the people that left africa weren't black africans
>>533424435>You see humanity as battling in the coliseumNo I don't.YOU see a favourable situation as an advantage to midgets and fail to take into account when the same situation would also be favourable in reverse.As shown here:>>533424499Seriously, are you a coping shortking?
>>533424486Remember the crocoduck?
>>533424433When you dont even need to countenance a person's intelligence you can just call them a dumb nigger you dumb nigger
>>533424316Ok... You believe dogs aren't the descendants of wolves making you literally fucking retarded. Thanks for playing
>>533424255I don’t think OP knows what he’s talking about. He appears to think evolution is an animal deciding to change itself strategically and selectively. that’s not what evolution is.
>>533422656>they are not dosingSo how do they become resistant. Fuck off with your weird shit.
>>533424486People who impose fibonacci ratios on arbitrary spirals are absolute fucking morons.
>>533424540There’s very common alternative hypotheses that say that’s bullshit, and civilization has rapidly increased the speed of human evolution by creating entirely new evolutionary pressures. The Ten Thousand Year Explosion is the book I’m thinking of. Even contemporary issues like the testosterone collapse in men indicates genetics can change quickly when novel pressures are put on them.
>>533422149Probably some kind of simple light sensor to detect day from night or being close to the surface of the ocean or something. Even plants can recognise light. I doubt the development of the eye has anything to do with photosynthesis though.
>>533424377You're not really getting just how enigmatic natural camouflage is. It occurs so often in nature that it cannot be the mere result of things coincidentally looking exactly like their immediate surroundings slowly over a period of 200,000 years of pure birth lottery. And while you scoff at the idea of a strategy behind it, there are indeed intelligent animals that consciously camouflage strategically, such as octopuses and iguanas. You will counter that this is a distinctly different thing from being born camouflaged and being unable to consciously become camouflaged; my counter is that camouflage itself is seemingly baked into the underlying reality of nature and is not in any case merely an accident of breeding that just as easily could never have happened. It is simply part of their design.
>>533419085Why are you an 80 IQ nigger? Only genuinely retarded people can't comprehend evolution. We have literal studies and examples proving it can happen within years in species that reproduce very quickly. You're so fucking retarded.Atheists are factually higher IQ for a reason.
>>533420091The moment that evolution started selecting for killing the ones that look LESS like sticks sooner, you absolute low IQ numbnuts.This is why religion is bad, people, it erodes the ability to reason.
>>533424506Because it had to happen or else we wouldn't exist. Everything had to happen exactly as it did or everything would be completely different. What you imply is that we are the height of superiority. It places too much importance on us being how we are. Nothing makes us special other than us being the dominant species at the current moment. A million years ago, it was something else.
>>533419085It's amazing how well the millenialwoes tweet applies to creationists.
>>533424688What is the very common alternative hypothesis and how does it account for the evolution of tool making?
>>533424579I prefer the cater pillar.>>533424683You seem upset.
>>533419271Jesus this board is dumb. Macro evolution doesn't have "empirical evidence" because it occurs on timescales of millions of fucking years, but fossils show it pretty clearly.
>>533424521Ok I will take that into mind, but you're talking more about self selection than hard species transfiguration. How long did it take the average IQ point to shift a single digit up? How long were we carrying extra neurons before we discovered like cave art?
>>533424575I was pointing out how height isn't the end all, be all you want to make it out to be. There isn't a selective pressure put on height in the same way there is having skin or some shit. Being marginally better physically in a species that rose to prominence due to intellect is kind of fucking stupid.
>>533424778>You seem upsetNah. I just enjoy arguing about these sorts of topics and calling you a retard was the most pithy way to communicate that I disagree with you.Unfortunately this thread's reached bump limit so eh.
>>533424683Q. What do you call a demographer who specialises in the percentage of hookers in a city's population?A. Horatio
>>533424900yeah sure nigger
>>533424453>humans just believe the chemicals they get hit with are bad. >just like animurls>we are animurlsIf the response to a threat from low-intelligence is just fear, then you'd probably assume stupidity is a impeccable survival instinct? Is this the type of debate context where you would disingenuously assume that because negative aspects are present, whether empirically proven to be detrimental or based on opinion to be the same, that for whatever reason, you'd move to dualistically assert that the negatives aren't actually negative because of shit like selection pressure?You can argue all traits are bad, not just in specific contexts, but universally. Some better than others, sure, but thats a evasion of what i'm suggesting. Sentience actually exponentially complicates the issues evolution would supposedly solve. The more complex a species, the more difficult their survival. Completely contradicting the implicative point of evolution, and so you can say evolution has useful tools to explain away progression in narrow contexts. It doesn't explain the sentient beings being the product of them, then understanding this, and completely removing the ability to use evolution to solve anything more than a 'species complexity gradient' if thats what you would call it. Evolution is a static complexity range of a species ability to adapt to an environment overtime. It doesn't explain then the origin of life, which because it is evidently divorced from abiogenesis or any concept like it, you can't hold it as a serious position because its not able to provide you with direct links. You have no way of attaching the perceived adaptation of something, to being the very mechanism that produces life itself.
>>533424856You were making stupid posts.All else being equal, a marginal difference is huge. And it's a difference compounded over tens of thousands of years.
>>533424594It might be rude, but it wasn't the general sentiment. My hood nigga.
>>533423197Are you trying to argue that height isn't selected for? That it's not desirable? I don't understand.
>>533424856What happened faggot? You asked...>>533424602 so you agree your opinion is retarded? Literally hiding
>>533424602I never said that. Just make your fucking point, dude.>>533424624Because certain offspring were born with a mutation that allowed them to traverse to the poison side of the petri dish. Are you denying germs evolve to beat our immune system? We've been in an arms race with germs from the very beginning.
>>533424453I think you're ascribing the biological process of an animal deducing 1 from 0 or some sort of hylic representation onto the uniquely human ability to critically think and emotionalize actions. Biological and extrinsic factors play a role in affirming certain universally true sins (in my opinion) and merely act as the incoming signal to your antenna, so to speak.
>>533424826No they don't lol. Missing link
>>533424753What did I say that made you think that? Believing in a creator does not imply that we are the pinnacle of creation.
Explain the bee orchid evolution bros.>you can't
>>533424848It probably wouldn't take that long to increase the IQ. It would be closer to artificial selection than natural selection. Using artificial selection, humans created specialized dog breeds relatively fast.
>>533425032Kek ok so we turned wolves into dogs... Meaning over a couple generations we completely changed their genetic makeup correct?
>>533424716Do non-camouflaged animals exist? Why wouldn't we all be designed to blend in then? Did god decide some species just didn't deserve protection? The ones that stand out get eaten, the ones that don't survive. It's that easy.
>>533425112Predators need less camouflage depending on their hunting style. Humans were endurance hunter so hiding offered little advantage. Answer my question faggot
>>533425084Sure seems like harmonious intelligent design to me rather than the purported chaotic nature of evolution, which never seems to present itself, odd.
>>533424954Then go to china and india and tell them that, retard.>>533425080But you think these advancements were too amazing to be chance. They had to happen exactly like that or else we wouldn't be here talking about them. Why didn't our eyes evolve to shoot lasers? That seems pretty evolutionarily advantageous, doesn't it? You put too much importance on things lining up a certain way when they had to line up that way or we wouldn't exist.
>>533425208If your only experience of fire was a photograph of one you would also think that it isn't very chaotic.
>>533425269See>>533425101Stop hiding I made simple like you asked
>>533424971It's not or else everyone would be a giant. Extrapolate your beliefs to the extreme. If height is so important why aren't we all 40 foot behemoths?
>>533424953>If the response to a threat from low-intelligence is just fear, then you'd probably assume stupidity is a impeccable survival instinct?I'm not sure what you mean by this. Sometimes fear is the optimal emotion in the face of a threat. Sometimes rage is. Sometimes a calm and calculated approach outperforms the other two. Evolution is shit at optimization abd whatever lives to produce babies works well enough. I hope that answers your question.>The more complex a species, the more difficult their survivalNot necessarily. The complexity tends towards greater fixation on a niche but poor generalization to other niches. Again, Evolution is a very suboptimal system as evidenced by very suboptimal anatomy in living things.>It doesn't explain then the origin of life, which because it is evidently divorced from abiogenesis or any concept like it, you can't hold it as a serious position because its not able to provide you with direct linksNo. That just means it's a category error to mention abiogenesis in an evolutionary discussion.
>>533425101>completely changed their genetic makeupWe didn't or else they wouldn't be able to successfully breed with wolves today.
>>533425388Ok so what is the difference between a wolf and a dog?
>>533425337I already answered this here: >>533422611Height is not the only thing being selected for. It is combinations of traits. I'm afraid things are very complex. For example if you are tall and also very stupid that is a worse combination than being tall and also smart. If you are tall and very stupid you are more likely to die before you can breed than someone who is tall and also smart. Does that make sense to you?
>>533425420Oh my god, just get on with whatever your fucking point is. You're so god damned tiring.
>>533425112It does not follow that just because camouflage is a fundamental aspect of reality that all animals and plants must have camouflage, since the only thing that contains every single fundamental aspect of reality in itself is God. For the same reason you don't expect mammals to have gills you don't expect every animal to be camouflaged. Many things contain only particular aspects of reality, not the totality of reality. By the way, you are taking a lot of evolution mechanics for granted. The timescale involved in evolution of this type actually would disprove the survivability argument, since their ancestors would presumably not have been camouflaged and would not have ever used it to survive, and you would never be able to pinpoint at which point in the line the non-stick animal suddenly becomes a stick over 200,000 years.
>>533425084It…it happened gradually over millions of years!!!
>>533425469It's possible that it did. Correct.
>>533425460Why can't you answer questions? I'll answer anything you ask me. Seems wildly disingenuous
>>533425446Yes. They're the ones saying height is selected for because a tall man will beat a short man every time. It is complex. That's why we aren't all hulking monsters nor are we tiny midgets. We're in the sweet spot of height. A few inches here or there isn't going to make a difference.
I challenge anyone in this based fucking thread to find the exact genetic mutation which caused flying ants to develop stingers in their abdomensbetter yet find the mutations which could ever possibly lead to the development of venom glands in reptilesGENETICS: realEVOLUTIONARY ADAPTATION: realEVOLUTION: fake and gay
>>533425300Sure but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Chaotic as in random. Incidentally fire is an absolute, the ultimate destroyer, there is nothing chaotic about it, it follows a specific set of chemical principles.
>>533425467Because it was a gradual change. If a bug that stands out is next to a bug that somewhat blends in, the bug that stands out is the one that gets eaten. Animals tend to group up so the effect is more pronounced by comparison.
>>533425269>Then go to china and india and tell them that, retard.In the age before guns they got absolutely fucking wrecked at war.
>>533425515Because you're beating around the bush and I'm fucking sick of it. Say what you mean, you fucking nigger.
>>533425528It is selected for. It's a very obvious trait that was mostly positive for the vast majority of human histroy. It's just not the only trait being selected for.
>>533419770>>533419855>>533420091>>533420285Fucking retards.Let's say a bug is brown. Random mutations may cause some bugs to be slightly different shades of brown. The bugs that were closer to the exact brown shade of the branches survived because it helped them avoid being spotted by predators. The longer they were, the more they'd be mistaken for a stick. The ones that were slightly longer survived because it helped them avoid being spotted by predators. Over time, these small differences accumulate, and you get a bug that resembles a branch. The bug did not consciously choose to do this.Random mutations occur all the time, even in humans. Some mutations are very detrimental to their lives, but some mutations may improve their chances of surviving and reproducing. DNA replication is imperfect, which leads to random, spontaneous errors. Most errors are detrimental, but occasionally one pops up that actually helps the creature.If you whack off, evolution is why you do so. We reproduce sexually instead of asexually, even though asexual reproduction would be quicker and easier. This is because having two parents reshuffles genes far more than asexual reproduction. If we had a population of clones by reproducing asexually, we'd probably get wiped out the moment a parasite or virus (which evolves very quickly, that's why they keep changing the flu shot every year) managed to crack the code of our nearly identical immune systems.This all is something a child could understand. It's nobody's fault but your own for failing to comprehend it.
>>533425528I'm off to do the weekly supermarket shopping now. Even though I'm old, chicks WILL be checking me out, for no other reason than my height. How do you feel about that?
>>533425628Nigger you say shit that doesn't make sense to me so I ask you to explain it and then you refuse which makes you seem like a liar. So we took wolves and over a couple thousand years turned them into pugs through selective breeding correct?
>>533425580>better yet find the mutations which could ever possibly lead to the development of venom glands in reptiles You can look at the komodo dragon today. Their bites aren't venomous but they might as well be. All it would take is a modification that created a space in their mouth for that bacteria to grow and flourish.
>>533425599It has everything to do with it. Your lifetime is maybe 100 years if you are lucky. All of recorded human history is like a few thousand at best if we trust some ancientfag's stone shitposts. We are just looking at a photograph of life. A lot happened before we were here. A lot will happen after we're gone.
>>533425602But the gradual change would have been SO gradual that for hundreds of years it wouldn't have even looked like a stick until hundreds and hundreds of generations later. It is not that coincidental. I'm just gonna say plainly that believing in coincidences is retarded. Shrimple as that. Also, you are taking for granted that being eaten is the only obstacle for spreading genes. You are assuming that other bugs didn't spread their genes because they got eaten and you are assuming that camouflaged bugs were in fact more successful in breeding simply because a bird didn't eat them.
>>533419855Yes that's why all bugs look like sticks
>>533425604And yet they still exist. Strange. Please tell me why we aren't all the size of skyscrapers if height is the end all, be all in evolutionary pressure. Just look at the fossil record. All animals used to be fucking bigger. Obviously something was selecting towards smaller species or why would they change?
>>533425580What about eels producing electricity in biological cells which WE mimic with the modern day battery?
>>533425652Then why do humans exist and gigantopitheci don't?
>>533425761Well duh, existence is cyclical, there is nothing new.
>>533425679I literally don't fucking care.>>533425719What did I say that didn't make sense?
>>533425666Ok satan, now I know evolution is bs, thank you
>>533425528> because a tall man will beat a short man every time.I never said that.I said a tall man will have an advantage over a short man.And they will, in hunting because of being faster and having more reach, in battle because of reach and during a famine because they can take from those less capable of defending themselves.It's not absolute, it's just a trend that compounds over time.>>533425801>Please tell me why we aren't all the size of skyscrapers if height is the end allOur bodies would collapse at that point. Do you really like straw manning that bad?
>>533425960Naw nigger. Let's just have a conversation. Do you agree we bred wolves into pugs over the past couple thousand years? Yes or no?
>>533425769Everything is a coincidence. If it happened a different way, we wouldn't exist. There's nothing special about it, or us.
So how do anti evolution retards explain the creation of a ton of different dog breeds?
Anyways, interesting conversation, even if it seemed to be in bad faith for most of it.
>>533425878Because there are other traits also being selected for. If you are a turbo autist then being 6'5" may not be enough to help you. Just because you are tall is not a guarantee that you will reproduce. It just helps most of the time.
>>53342600746 posts by this ID. Shameful.
>>533425971So a negligible difference in height wouldn't cause more strain on the larger men? When you extrapolate your ideas, they fall apart.
>>533426034That is a matter of faith, i.e. it must be real because I already take for granted that it had to have happened in the past, and it is not a faith that I hold.
>>533426084You missed the guy with 63 posts.
>>533425904There is no way to know that. This could be the 10,000,000th time things were this way, or it could be the first.
>>533426068It doesn't. Larger creatures strain their bodies more and require more resources to exist.
>>533426035Selective breeding =/= divergent evolution. The dog is still a wolf and would return to one should humans cease to exist. You haven't created a new species which will exist independently of the wolf.
>>533426116Well, evolution makes more sense than whatever theovratic nonsense has been cooked up. It isn't faith, it's reason.
>>533426068Right because there are downsides to every advantage and all of them are based on underlying rules like the human ability to process calories. If they are being spent on growing very tall they aren't generally being spent on growing strong. Everything has a trade off
>>533426156So why are there tallfags then? Why is women's terrible grocery store schlicking novels full of them? I'm not gay enough to understand why women want certain things, but I can observe that they do.
>>533426125Cause I'm also talking to other dipshits like you. Glad I could make your dumb ass seethe, though.
>>533426203It's deduction based on a premise you can't prove and must accept by faith. You can say my religion is that way too, but my religion is cooler than yours.
>>533426216What women want doesn't fucking matter. How many times do I have to say this?
>>533426207Sure, at some point maybe the environment can't support your fuckhuge body or something and you would be unlikely to breed.
>>533426094>So a negligible difference in height wouldn't cause more strain on the larger men?The potential strain it would cause would be more than balanced out by the benefits it gives.I acknowledge for instance that shorter men live longer, but the simple fact is, that the few years that a shorter man lives for longer makes little difference because the taller man will have likely (more so than the shorter man) already produced offspring before the drawbacks kick in.On the other hand, up until the advent of guns, being taller held an advantage in practically every other regard.Now let me go to bed and get some sleep.
>>533419085This board is most useful for reminding me that the correlation between chud politics and low-IQ isn't libtard BS.
>>533426242I have no religion. That's what agnostic means. I take the information available to me and form opinions based on that. Whatever your religion is, it isn't cool.
>>533426125I wanted to target the leaf.
>>533426274Infinite. Because it will never makes sense in this discussion. So feel free to repeat it until you die. And after that if you can.
>>533426138I choose to. I think it's why "modern" civilization begins with Rome and Greece more or less. The cycles are quite short ~3000-5000 years.
>>533426385>i am irrationalSuper cool. Good luck with that.
Let's see who gets the last word!Evolution is real. Cope and seethe.
>>533425666>random fucking mutationsWhat mechanism causes the random mutation? Gamma rays from the sun? Moonbeams from venus?Honestly you have to presuppose a certain level of mental illness to take this star wars shit seriously
>>533426385Kek no. Civilization is at least 10s of thousands of years old we just didn't get gud at stone building for a long time because there was no point.
>>533426329Just because you don't pray or have a liturgy doesn't mean you don't have a worldview that functions exactly like a religion. Agnosticism is a gay word locked into the existence of God when not all religions are theistic.
>>533426434Radiation does damage cells and cause them to imperfectly replicate. Which is a mutation. So yes. That is one mechanism.
>>533426320So you offhandedly ignore my premise because you think it matters less. Then prove it. Where's the data to back up your claim other than "tall men strong". Pretty sure the spartans weren't exceptionally tall yet they fought way better than their taller counterparts through training.
>>533426358I didn't know short men couldn't rape. Better tell the indians.
>>533426418>>533426448So humans existed for 65 million years according to you and 99.9% of those years were spent banging rocks together? And I'M irrational? haha.
>>533426320You don't need to prove anything to someone who won't answer simple questions. Nobody thinks you are the liar
>>533426462Agnostic isn't the same as atheistic.
>>533426517Humans existed for 65 million years... Who said that nigger
>>533426514What percentage of the population would you say are rape babies? No pressure, but I will use your answer to judge if you are insane person or not.
>>533426569No idea, just paraphrasing. It's as ridiculous whatever the official narrative.
>>533426553The difference is about as wide as a bee's dick. Agnostic almost never means what people say it means.
>>533426517According to who? I said we have no way of knowing. You said that you choose to believe some random thing anyway. That is irrational.
>>533426581He doesn't care how he appears... Watch the game fag answer...
>>533426495>Pretty sure the spartans weren't exceptionally tall yet they fought way better than their taller counterparts through training.Not going to let me sleep before the thread dies uh?If the spartans faced other spartans that were taller, and all else being equal, who do you think would have the advantage?
>>533426600You didn't paraphrase anyone. You made shit up and got mad about it.
>>533426581I guarantee each and every one of us alive today is only around due to a rape in our lineage.
>>533426626It's logically less irrational, that's a fact.
>>533426600Ok... State what you actually believe then
>>533426612That makes sense if I didn't spend the whole thread talking about my beliefs at length.
>>533426670Ecclesiastes 1:9
>>533426612He actually refuses to state any real beliefs... Wormy Jew energy
>>533426656>dodges the questionI don't know if you are insane, but you are devious and untrustworthy.
>>533426647Why does that even matter? They fought taller opponents and fucking won despite being under 6 feet tall. When your theory has to rely on specific conditions you make up, maybe it's not a great theory. Through training, short men can make work of tall men with ease. Height isn't the only consideration here.
>>533426666Whatever you say, super satan.
>>533426745So niggers aren't new... Must be you. Thanks for clearing that up
>>533426759I answered you. 100% of us are a result of rape at some point.
>>533426647Stop answering anon him. Let the (((you))) Jew die
>>533426803>ad hominemyep, another science freak bodied.
>>533426827>everything is rapeI didn't realize you were a radical feminist.
>>533426852You can always tell you've made people seethe when they talk about you to other anons. Why not state your point and I'll address it instead of asking questions like a bitch?
>>533426790>Why does that even matter?Because it's an advantage, a built in one at that, and you've stopped even arguing that it's not.Now you are at the point of stacking DIFFERENT advantages on your chosen example to try to pretend that it makes no difference.Now answer the question.Short Spartans vs Tall Spartans, no other difference. Who has the advantage?
>>533426932I'm just nigger posting now
>>533426932I'm saying that, throughout human history, rape existed. And through that rape, we all came to be. That's why women's opinions don't fucking matter. Even short men can rape.
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>>533426966That's not how human history works, you stupid nigger. You discount my points about larger bodies needing more resources and causing more strain in favor of them being stronger so they win everything. It's fucking stupid.
>>533426986Rape does not have a 100% success rate. Men can even be killed for doing so without actually breeding.
