I need help.There is a data center being constructed in my town. The citizens voted against it at nearly 80% vote, but it was almost unanimously decided to let the data center be created by the council. We all later find out that one of the council members sold their personal land to the data center, so we are all suspecting bribery to nearly all of the council members.What can we, my community, do to stop this? Can we start a lawsuit about conflicted interest and start an investigation? Can we get them fired? How does a community stop this gross misuse of power?Please, no shitposting. This is a serious problem and I wish to solve it peacefully.
>>533422515submit a tip to kashapp patel and he'll get to the bottom of it
>>533422631Kek, you mean Kang Fraud He would join them instead of stopping
>>533422515>data centerName?>my townName?>one of the council members Name?
>>533422789Sorry, anon. I wish to stay anonymous (or as much as I can as possible). What would you do with that info if I did give it out?
>>533422846Leak the entire story to the press for starters.
>>533422846I'd do a little online research.BTW if you really think there was a scandal then you should publicly shame this one council member not protect his privacy. Same for the data center owner.I think you're lying about the whole damn thing.
>>533422789Fuck it, who cares about me anywayshttps://patch.com/illinois/joliet/how-much-money-city-joliet-city-planner-going-get-project-data-center-foe-inq>>533423044They already know and the citizens are getting pissed. I wish everyone, including me, was more involved it local elections and issues. I am going to have to start but need to learn how.
>>533423092The community already knows and more and more people are starting to find out
>>533422515>The citizens voted against it at nearly 80% voteWhat's the point of this?>it was almost unanimously decided to let the data center be created by the council.If this can happen?Your problem lies with the illusion of a voice your community has.
>>533422515You know what to do.
>>533423274>What's the point of this?>If this can happen?Exactly! Voting is suppose to count locally! It is absolutely disgusting that the council still voted yes 8-1>Your problem lies with the illusion of a voice your community has.This is true. The current members are power hungry and don't care about their citizens; they just see use as ants that pay them. My community needs to start to work together and stop this.
>>533423390Get them all fired and unable to work in government near us again
>>533422515Data centers take that build. When it comes time to elect a new council, you can have the new guys revoke the build permit.
>>533422515Release an endangered species on the land.
>>533422515well someone would have to get the council to undo the vote.some sort of physical pressure could be made against the council members, with a clear note or message that without such action there would be consequences.recently there was that drive-by of a city council member's house. i am definitely NOT recommending doing something like that. that would be illegal and bad. though of course it would DEFINITELY exert a significant amount of pressure against them.i mean my god can you imagine if a city council member were to be killed with such a message attached? the effects on the rest of the council's would be catastrophic
Nothing. Move.
>>533422515> lawsuitlol.
>>533423583This is what I am leaning towards. Our next elections are in April 2027 and I plan on printing out brochures to help educate the public; I just need to make it look entertaining with some memes and shit. I also plan out on giving out some free t-shirts since I have a sublimation printer and a t-shirt press, so I can make my own memes on them.>>533423633Top kek!!! That would be great if we could do that
>>533422515>town council memberYou voted for it
>>533422515I'm a bit of a local politics wonk. If you don't mind telling me....> roughly, what is the population of the city?> are you a township or a city?In the meantime...> have you told the media yet, or is the media already reporting?> do you have documented evidence of the land sale? (a real paper trail, not circumstantial?)> have you taken the time to check the campaign finance documents of the same member of council yet?Most important:> are there at least 10 people (including you) that can be counted on to help in the participation?
>>533423406>My community needs to start to work together and stop this.You already tried lol, you voted but your god didn't hear your prayers.Take the L and move on. Posting on pol is not serious.
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>>533422515fire, even cavemen could figure it out
>>533423764>well someone would have to get the council to undo the vote.What worries me is that 8 out of the 9 voted for 'yes', so I think that the majority of them are being bribed and the vote may not go through since I want them all fired. Maybe we can just get the main girl fired instead and then have a revote for the data center.I'd rather keep things peaceful as well since it is part of my beliefs (I am an /x/ fag and wish to escape reincarnation).>>533423845no>>533423862I won't know unless I try
>>533422515raise stink with the media and political opponents. story of building a data center like this would blow up because of ever increasing demands for electricity and a common man suffering because of it.
>>533423956We voted against the data center>> roughly, what is the population of the city?approximately 152,579>> are you a township or a city?city>> have you told the media yet, or is the media already reporting?they have been informed for a month and more and more citizens are finding out and are pissed>> do you have documented evidence of the land sale? (a real paper trail, not circumstantial?)someone tried to get a FOIA for it and practically everything was redacted >> do you have documented evidence of the land sale? (a real paper trail, not circumstantial?)I have not and will have to look into that>> are there at least 10 people (including you) that can be counted on to help in the participation?DefinitelyI am a newfag to this and wish to get more involved, so any help will be greatly appreciated. I know of a lot of people that will do the same. >>533423979We can still take their jobs away and get new council members in to vote against it>>533423985>>533423987kek, no
>>533424157The news has been reporting about it but I am going to do my part to inform the public as well
>>533424045>I am an /x/ fag and wish to escape reincarnationgood friend, you should know that in the interest of escaping birth all karma is bad karma.performing good deeds in the pursuit of good karma does not lead to the liberation of beings.seeing through the one who performs "deeds" in the pursuit of liberation is all that leads to the liberation of beings.your choice is therefore only to choose liberation or not. the matter of good and bad karma is irrelevant as it pertains to matters of birth
>>533423146burn the construction workers alive and threaten the council members lives. I recommend leaving notes about how you know where they live and you will rape and kill his wife, then his children in front of him, and then kill him last after you've traumatized him. If you'd like further instructions on how to torture someone, I recommend scaphism or slicing under his fingernails.
>>533424354You are right but I am not doing this to get good karma; but to help my community. I also don't wish to hurt people because that is very bad.>>533424392Come on, anon. That's funny but I said no shitposting. I need actual advice to stop the corruption.
>>533424243OK. I asked the size of the city because that is what will determine your ability, as a random citizen, to make meaningful change happen. If you were in a larger city, like New York City with a population of 8 million, you would have very little political power. But with a city your size, you can still make enough of a stink to force them into action. Every state in the country is required to have some version of what is called the "open meetings act". This not only requires that meetings be public, but requires that they allow citizen comments. Many cities will limit your time (2 minutes, 4 minutes, 5 minutes), but they still have to give you SOMETHING. That is PER PERSON.So, if they're required to give everyone 4 minutes, and you show up with 10 people, that means you can force them to sit and listen to you run on for a total of 40 minutes. That's something they don't want to do, and if you do it at every f*cking meeting for the next 3 months, they will go insane.Also.. pick a color and buy a bunch of cheap tshirts. Have everyone wear the shirts to the meeting. This shows you as a big group. In our town, we had the 'red shirts'. Maybe you'll have the 'green shirts'. the point is, for the people and media watching at home, all they see is a big ass crowd all wearing matching shirts, and that projects power.Next, you want to plan an exit ramp for council. Once you make life hell for them by blowing 40 minutes every meeting, you'll want to give them a way (an excuse) to undo their prior decision. BUT... it has to be done in a way to make it look like they weren't bowing to pressure.So, come up with reasons such as...> it will pollute the water> it goes against the city's ____ policy> it is a fire hazard> it is a MAJOR noise polluter.
>>533424607>I need actual adviceyou seem to think he is not giving you advice
>>533422515You have to look at a cost benefit analysis.it wont matter if you get the govt officials shitcanned.you have to do vigilante justice.just ask the mob or any of the brown skined gangs what thry do when some new business shows up in your territory.Kinda sucks, even with escalation and all.But you gotta fight bridery with "protection"fuck with construction dox anyone and anything involved.Make examples out of them all just to show what happens to greedy hands with no respect And please maintain that vigilance for atleast 5 generations. corporations can easily wait that shit out.gotta challenge power plays with other power plays and make sure its your people that gets to take the cheerleader to prom. Even when parties get switched its hard to retroactively veto business deals.if its private land theres very little the government can do. Esp if they are setting up data centers. Theres alot of money and rich and powrrful people behind that data center.
>>533422515Ask them nicely to stop.
>>533424283are they reporting it on national scale? if not then its not enough
>>533424707>So, if they're required to give everyone 4 minutes, and you show up with 10 people, that means you can force them to sit and listen to you run on for a total of 40 minutes. That's something they don't want to do, and if you do it at every f*cking meeting for the next 3 months, they will go insane.>Also.. pick a color and buy a bunch of cheap tshirts. Have everyone wear the shirts to the meeting. This shows you as a big group. In our town, we had the 'red shirts'. Maybe you'll have the 'green shirts'. the point is, for the people and media watching at home, all they see is a big ass crowd all wearing matching shirts, and that projects power.Oh damn, anon! That's a good idea! We had that happen in one of our council meetings and it lasted until 1AM! Having the same color shirt with a logo and having every meeting last until 1AM is a great idea!>Next, you want to plan an exit ramp for council. Once you make life hell for them by blowing 40 minutes every meeting, you'll want to give them a way (an excuse) to undo their prior decision. BUT... it has to be done in a way to make it look like they weren't bowing to pressure.This might be tricky but will be great. I'll need to check out the areas near the location of the site and see if I can find something, kinda like what another anon mentioned to put up an 'endangered species' or something like that.> it will pollute the water> it goes against the city's ____ policy> it is a fire hazard> it is a MAJOR noise polluter.These are all a great starting point!Thanks, anon! This is a very big help and very much appreciated!
Just attach everyone's hoses together and make it really wet, it'll piss off the guys and they'll keep slipping in mud.
If there's only one, narrowish, entrance to the site, blockading it (once they start building) with a few people/objects and holding up a sign or two should garner attention. It's the lamest solution, but any formal method would get eviscerated by a jewish lawyer, and any more kinetic methods will get this thread eviscerated by a jewish janny.
>>533424825>>533424864I'd rather do things by the book. The issue is that my community has been slacking with local elections and never really had big issues with corruption. But this corruption is a wake-up call to all of us that we need to be more involved and we need to communicate more to each other.It is our fault for not being involved, so we shouldn't use violence because we were caught slacking.>>533424958We might have to and threaten to take their jobs away in the upcoming elections >>533424990Not national but I wonder if we can even do that. It would be great if we can but we may be too insignificant for national. But I am still going to write that down on my to-do list
>>533425086Tell you what. In addition, here are a few pages from something I worked on during the lockdown. Among other things, I took the time to learn modern social theory; and then translated it into a political action guide. In this section, I talk about what I call "moral transactions", works like this..Social scientists have already defined two; the "moral opportunity", where you gain status by taking an action; and a "moral test"; where you lose status by not taking an action. In my work, I derived that there are actually 9 moral transactions, and I outlined what they are and how they can be used.I theorized that over time, you can use something I call Synthetic Moral Transactions; which can box your political opponent into a corner.So, in this case, for example, you're wanting to create a market mover transaction for the council, where they gain status by taking a certain action (cancelling this project), while suffering a status loss for taking no action. That forces them to act in a certain direction.So, for example... turn it into something where they look like smart heroes for changing their minds based on 'new evidence'; but they are targeted as bad people for not taking the action against the same evidence (example: it poisons the water. You're good for changing your mind because you want clean water. If you don't change your mind, you're bad because you want to poison your citizens)
>>533425211kek, maybe on april fools day>>533425228To be honest, I am going to try throwing everything at the wall for this one and am willing to do a picket line as well
>>533422515>PeacefullyThere's your problem. Peace does not solve government corruption. These people have no reason to fear you and when they are out of office they will be rich and far away from the mess they have left you.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/indianapolis-councilman-says-shots-fired-house-no-data-centers-note-rcna267023?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawRCdoZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA80MDk5NjI2MjMwODU2MDkAAR4YPwZ0qlihUdLbqr2ieFpaBDL7R_CuUV-K1suCwMj_FqgcmrGTHywCP0VJ2Q_aem_DeRDv_6VCtDxgoPwdfL04w&_branch_match_id=1560484077299451140&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAAw3H3U6DMBgA0LfxzsGaTZ3JYqANDgSFRsjgpqFQ%2FgalFPBDL3x2PXenWRY1PxuG5IUUMO9ypXZ9K28GVdc0aTzvtOcvFS%2F6tjy7kKKty4Hicsx6caGrhZyeR%2B4WRPZPIWlnDw4Uzkll1pMZkNvxvXNR0AXwQWL0f8uihzSEzJz6tolLn08atcJRuU38R8rwGif3b%2Ft5xRB0zJnqYtCvn5dvwKGZeChiuRgYEZR8sYcEL2SrxxDKyjcPcPerRSW0bmXNuB5hFvqMGz0O4g%2BYLENZ4QAAAA%3D%3D
>>533422515Just consult the jeet AI. It's the best way to get back at them. AI will literally fill out forms for you, give you addresses. Explain the situation and it will direct you. This is unironically the best use for it. If it knows which fucking door I need to take in the municipal building in my small town, it will know what you need to do.
You bastards have the second amendment to stop tyranny against your rights and land.
>>533422515Here's what I mean:1. Legal Challenges & LawsuitsYou can challenge the council's decision in court based on the following grounds: Judicial Review: You can file for a judicial review to challenge the lawfulness and fairness of the decision. A court can overturn a decision if it was made with a financial interest or failed to follow proper procedures, such as illegal rezoning or lack of public transparency. Conflict of Interest: If a council member voted on a matter where they had a financial interest (like selling their land), this is often a disqualifying conflict of interest under state or local law. Class Action Lawsuit: Some communities have organized class action lawsuits against the city or developers, which can help distribute legal costs among residents. 2. Investigating Bribery & EthicsTo start an investigation into suspected bribery or gross misuse of power: Report to Ethics Authorities: File a formal complaint with your state or local Ethics Commission or Office of the Inspector General. Request an Audit: Citizens can sometimes trigger an investigation by reporting concerns to a city or external auditor. Public Records Requests: Use Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to obtain emails, meeting minutes, and financial disclosures to document the suspected corruption.
>>533422515well you're MA IN or NH.expose, run against or bury 8ft deep. all town council, in the few states that have them in the state constitution, all ordinance must be approved by the stare attorney general. if it was rubber stamped find out why. if the attorney general approved it find out why. easier to stack bodies but a political solution is available
>>533425285Illinois has a Freedom of Information Act 5 ILCS 140Read the law and then cite it to request records (emails letters, texts, etc.) of communication between your officials and the company. Local politics is a license to steal, especially in Democrat controlled states so it's likely they're all self-dealing and very probably so confident nobody cares that they'll put some good stuff in writing. That all said you're likely NOT going to get any help from state law enforcement assuming your locals are democrats, but you might get lucky and find some fuckery with federal money and get the feds interested.Good luck.
>>533425423I'm sorry, but that's complete bullshit. Let me tell you the real facts of life; that are so simple you probably wont' believe me...> all political power in the US flows from the local city councils up. It does not flow (as people think) from the top down> political power in most cities go to the people who care enough to show up> violence is the worst possible way to enact political change.
>>533422515Luddite townies btfo
>>533425285Good luck with trying to be a good goy in this fucked up jewish clown world eith kangaroo courts paid for by captain kangaroo.doing things in a legit way has already beea a solved issue.its one of the first things thry think about.it seems like legitimacy isnt working when 80% of pop said no and they did it anyways.these data centers have connections and ties to the nsa. youre just wastin_ money if you go through the courts.save up your legal defense fund and just buy the courts. vote in judges that agree with yougood luck with trying to hit all the circuts with that.these people and corps operate at different levels of morality.you in plebian fairytale morality land to keep you compliant.how close is the nearest military base?do you have alot of vets in your town?
>>533425586Tell that to the founding fathers. Violence is the bedrock of politics. Every single law, every single government action is underpinned by the promise of violence if you choose to disobey. You are woefully naive.
>>533425586>Please calm down goy, play by the rules we set for thee (but not for (((me))))
>>533423979Thanks mister demoralization shill! Very cool!
>>533425925Oh please, I've been an around-town guy in politics since Reagan 84. How long have you been at it?The problem with your position is that not everyone in the world wants a revolution. A lot of people don't feel like burning the world down just to make you happy. In the meantime, the wheels of politics move on as always.
>>533425386fucking savedDamn, anon! I didn't even think to involve politician sociology and I am glad that you mentioned it. I really just hope that the city council members care about their morality instead of just money. Either way, it doesn't hurt to try but it is a lot of homework to study up on.Not just the political sociology but also the damages that data centers can do to a community in order to get a good market mover.The water idea is a great idea because it is less than 3 miles from our water treatment plant!
>>533424607>That's funny No it's deadly serious>but I said no shitposting. I need actual advice to stop the corruption.He just gave it to you https://www.kshb.com/news/coronavirus/kansas-mayor-resigns-after-threats-over-backing-mask-mandate
>american flag>tyrannical government member >no use of second amendmentYou guys have been pussies the whole time kek
>>533426015Not at all. I'm trying to be helpful here. Gaining power on the local level (if you're not in a large city) is incredibly easy; and the local level is the one which runs the show. If you're in a town of 150k like OP, you've probably got enough population not only to control at least one member of congress, but also to require anyone seeking higher office (governor, president) to at least appear to pay lip service to local needs.For example, in the city I was involved with, no presidential candidate in the last 50 years have won without first coming to our city to be seen. And our population is only 130k
>>533426106Politicains lie to save clout with public but will vote according to their pocket book.
>>533426076You are completely full of shit. I don't care how long you have been at politics, it's clear you don't understand a thing about it despite your decades of larping.Political power flows from the top down. The only political movements that gain any kind of steam are the ones that have the establishments blessing. Rather it be BLM or the French revolution. Want to see what happens when you go against the power? Look at the pro Palestinian protests. You get your head smashed in by an IDF agent with a huge wooden plank and he flies back to Israel. I'm not talking about a revolution, I'm talking about taking a page out of the Irish play book. They are the only white people in the world who will do what is necessary and even then it might not be enough.
>>533425586>violence is the worst possible way to enact political change.The Adams brothers and Mister Washington disagree
>>533426299Recent history shows its actually the brown skins who are more apt to "do the needful". Whites are 100% buck broken goy cattleyou only have to worry when one of them gets rabies.
>>533426299>>533426366You two have the mentality of the prisoners who protest buy burning up their own cells. Why immediately jump to unnecessary violence? Especially with something which can be done so much better with the carrot and the stick.>>533426291My experience is that most vote in a way to keep themselves in their position. In the process, they also convince themselves that the actions they wanted to take are the upstanding/moral decisions.
>>533426250So you live in Dayton Ohio. Congratulations on being born in a swing state that determines national elections. That means absolutely fuck all here.
>>533426519>Unnecessary They just spit in your face and completely betrayed their oaths of office and you >Unnecessary See>>533426213
>>533425423Peace can solve it but only with a tight-knit community. If we don't care and are scattered, then that is practically an excuse to let them do whatever they want.>>533425428I do plan on using AI to help but I cannot 100% rely on it since most, if not all, AI has an LLM to give you the wrong information because it wants you to correct it (that is the excuse but I think it is to test how much people believes AI).>>533425438We are not being attacked. We are being taken advantaged of but that doesn't mean to call up for arms>>533425488ILThat is a good idea and I will write that down on my to-do list as well. I literally found out this week about what happened a month ago and feel bad that I wasn't more involved.>>533425582Someone was able to get the FOIA but most of the 1300 documents were redacted, which is suspicious as hell. They are trying to appeal it as well and really hope that they can. >but you might get lucky and find some fuckery with federal money and get the feds interestedI am praying for that in the unredacted documentsThanks for the advice and wish of encouragement, anon. I am going to need it>>533425776There is a good amount of vets but most of them are old.The people in our community isn't really involved in local politics, so I would like to try to fix that and avoid violence. Right now, they have an excuse to commit corruption because no one was paying attention, but they won't have a excuse when more people are involved.
>>533426519My expierence is that politicians have pr managers that `re given to them by their respective national conventions.and they will lie and shift the blame .if you populace is "slacking" then your town is fucked anyways.the establishment already gamed you out.got their game plan by studying all your facebook d`ta from that town.
>>533426519Did you not see the OP? The people voted against it. The city council allowed it. They sold their own land to get rich on it. The data center will go ahead before any significant elections or politicking can stop it. What do you expect them to do? Their legal avenues have been terminated. They can either take it in the ass or do something illegal. Even protesting in some radical non violent fashion is technically illegal.
>>533424607I wasn't shitposting I just ignored your want to act nonviolently. It will not get you anywhere with this shit backed by cash bribes from companies. You should take my advice seriously but only use it as a last resort. You need to act immediatly, as fast as you can. Legally doing the paper search way would be an out of state private detective to follow him and record all findings and or blackmail you can get.
>>533426668>peace can solve itOkay. Tell him how to solve it peacefully. Let's see your game plan.
>>533422515Yes, you can certainly file a lawsuit. Hurry up. Do not delay or else they will just start building it. There is bound to be a law firm who would love the chance to sue the government and get fat paid.
>>533426668Start a PAC that is against these AI data centers. You can either run ads and investigations across the nation .or take the money and run.Youre not getting rid of that data center by any legal means unless you try to tax them to death.
>>533426213>>533426244It is our fault for not trying to beat them at their own games because we are too lazy to try. I am going to try to beat them at their own games first.>>533426291And that sickens me. I might start a website that includes OSINT of each politicians and make it easy for the average citizen to understand. Let's see how Big Brother likes to have the spotlight turned on them.
I dislike how this thread started autosaging or being bumped off the front page by indian, chink, and kike spam with some coming from the IRGCThis is the most organic discussion I have seen in months.
>>533426878Peace is more expensive.hiring a lawyer or team of laywers over at least 5 years. running ad campaigns .compared to blowing up a data center or sabataging its power/xmission lines domestic terrorism pays for itself and acts as its own pr. would probably be better to coordinate attacks from other towns disillusioned by data centers . But likelyhood of glowops increases.
>>533427072>Beat them at their own gameTheir game is deception, coercion, and violence.The American political system is absolutely corrupt and there is no place in it for decent men and women. To be a politician is to be corrupt.
>>533427148You need disillusioned veterans to join your cause.
>>533427072Consider the average technical aptitude of your townif most of your town can barely understand how to code in html or know how to install linux then big data will steam roll you in litigation by basically turning you into an antisemite if go against data centers.places that have to best outcomes against big tech have a highly educated populace that knows what to do with computers beyond chacking email and facebook.if your town is full of lazy retards voice is the more salient solution for them.
>>533425386Yeah I'm saving this too. Applying logic to emotionally serious situations is an extremely hard thing to do and this helps greatly. All I did during Covid was flee the city and become completely insane. Good man
>>533426793>>533426878>You need to act immediatly, as fast as you canWe are currently trying to get the unredacted documents and hoping to find something good in them. We are also going to threaten to take their jobs away as well.>>533426905This seems like a 50/50 advice and shitpost>>533426934>PACDoes that stand for Political Action Committee? I've never heard of it and will have to look more into it.>Youre not getting rid of that data center by any legal means unless you try to tax them to death.I would love to do that because I do not want them to increase our bills for water, electric, housing, etc
>>533427072Good. Do so. But do not forgot that it is not the only method and the legal can, and should, be used with the not so muchAfter all. They deserve it. Even things that are not illegal can be extremely intimidating. Finding out where they eat and like to go hang out, you can go there with some friends and call them out and loudly talk about how they have betrayed the community, insulting and deriding language, that does not violate the Brandenburg vs Ohio, is perfectly legal. It also is embarrassing and demoralizing >Oh look there is the council man who betrayed the town! And you (business owner) serve him here? And simply the eyes of the crowd pointing out the corruption pieces of shit will make most wiltFucking up people's date night will certainly make an impression And it makes the consequences of their betrayal more real. >Legally doing the paper search way would be an out of state private detective to follow him and record all findings and or blackmail you can get.And this is also legal. And can be absolutely paranoid inducing with people legitimately following and surveilling them, who are licensed to do so, and it is perfectly legal. And there is nothing they can do about itIf they don't get the message even then, your lawsuit is rejected, and the other great information and tactics exhausted Well. That doesnt mean it's the end of the tools at your disposalIs it
>>533422515>I wish to solve it peacefully.lol, lmao even.
The whole point of being on town council is to enrich yourself and your friends and give yourself and your friends contracts for work. And dictate "who" gets what contract amd suddenly your buddy who owns a snow plow makes 60/hr, and your buddy who trims lawns goes from having one lawnmower to a fleet of them and new trucks...
>>533427142Yeah thy flop the fuck out anytime we discuss actual things because they know they uhh....tend to come to fruition.
>>533427148You are correct that lawyers cost too much money. Also PACs, like >>533426934 suggested create a problem because there is perpetual paperwork, fees, and shady characters going forward.>>533426878You want to see how easy it is, here's something you may not know:> for ~$1000 you can blast a 30 second robocall into 20k homesI see it occasionally with big issues or some of the dirtier campaigns. You have someone with a clear voice make a 30 second "informational announcement" like "did you know that city council defied the voters on the data center question" then you blast it out to 20k homes.Within hours, the call will reach someone who is friends with council, and they will be told about it. Within a few days, the media will know, and will want to know who is doing it, and what the council did that pissed them off so much; and by the next meeting, council will be on eggshells, caught between not wanting to talk about and and feeling as if they have to.Just go through a service, so they can double-check you on the ending disclaimer (paid for by a private citizen of _____)
>>533427142It is back up to page 1. I expect that derailers and spammers will start to pour in now. Shills never signal boost threads like this and there has only been 1 demoralizing shill post so far. Expect to see pic related happen quickly
>>533427252But we cannot become like them or else we are no different. We need to start to try to put good people in office that truly care about their community and don't want to do it for the fame or money.>>533427304I know how to code and was in IT until AI took my job. So I really don't want another data center in my town and am really to create a website to stop them.>by basically turning you into an antisemite if go against data centersAt this point, I don't care what I am labeled as
>>533427322Being a council member is not a job. It's a position of authority occupied by a wealthy member of a community who has the deep pockets, clout and support necessary to occupy this position. These people have used their position to further enrich themselves. They may never seek political office again after this. They were rich before, now they are getting richer. They never have to work again.If the only reprieve you have against an elected official is the possibility that they might not be reelected, the fact that they might not care about reelection makes them immune to anything you might try politically.
In all honesty? Burn it to the ground.
>>533427502See>>533427557
>>533427322You have the perfect mission to start a pac as it doesnt endorse a single candidate but rather takes a stance on an issue.pacs are cash cows for politicianstax free money as its non profit. there isnt a whole lot of money in "anti tech" legislationor rather the tech sector can easily outbid anything you put up in november.but hey atleast you can set yourself up as executive director and pay yourself a salary of 100k.
>>533423583No, thats child's play, anon.You send someone in to puncture the [redacted] and cause an [redacted] disaster, then it forces them to spend 100k to """clean""" it up.Then refuse to issue a reoccupancy permit for a few years while they pay property tax on it and bleed them out, then when their life crashes around them and they go from being in a good place and having a business to working out of their garage, to now being dead and having stress related problems the last few years of their life, you wait two years and then offer the place out to one of your buddies.>based on a literally fucking happened in my town.
>>533427382>Finding out where they eat and like to go hang out, you can go there with some friends and call them out and loudly talk about how they have betrayed the community, insulting and deriding language, that does not violate the Brandenburg vs Ohio, is perfectly legal. It also is embarrassing and demoralizingOoooo, I like this. It is like "protesting them at every place they go". That still complies with my moral compass. And it will help spread the message too!I am more than willingly do this!>>533427424That sounds too jewish to me...We are suppose to be helping the community as a whole and not just who we know
>>533422515Sugar in the gas tank of any piece of equipment left on site. They will start storing them off site after a while. Let them get some shit built and the heat back off. Let them lay the pipes, then pump them full of gas and blow them up. Again let them build a little further, let the heat die down, destroy when it gets to the next phase, and so on. The company will eventually give in. You just have to have the courage to stand up for your principals.
>>533422515You all have guns don't you?
>>533422515I believe Paper Mario showed us all what needs to be done
>>533422515It's something to throw a brick at.
>>533422515Do as the Irish do, with the potatoes and the glass bottles and the magnesium/thermite shavings
>>533422515Build a bat roost on the land where the data center is going to be.
>>533425285>I'd rather do things by the bookAnon, I respect you for wanting to do things the proper way, but we're well past that. This clown world is in such a state of apathy, that only an extreme shock will yield results.
>>533427549It seems like you really dont want to be labeled as a terrorist.
>>533427549>At this point, I don't care what I am labeled asNow you're talking anon. And remember, when they try that bullshit one of the best responses is>Okay >You got anything else >Hmm, how complimentary, now would you like to discuss something Germaine to the topic at hand?If you really want to shine them on
>>533423985It's so retardedly insane that anybody thinks this was a real thing that happened
>>533422515lmao humanity is doomed
>>533427502The true path to power is being a facebook moderator and then "i can fix that" for money.You can take over a small town and dictate what issues get talked about, who who is allowed a position on the soap box.
>>533427557Then the city will sue them for everything they have. We will run their entire family out of the state by making them unable to get a job here ever again. If they more to another state in the US, we will inform people in that state. I have hope that we can make changes with a little determination.>>533427644I am going to look into that and start a group that will help me!>but hey atleast you can set yourself up as executive director and pay yourself a salary of 100k.that sound too hypocritical to me and jewish as well...But thank you very much for telling me about PAC in order to help our cause
>>533422515Yes on lawsuits, also that council is illegitimate, as the legitimacy of government comes from being representative, as it isnt representative of the populace will, it isnt a legitimate council. Also you all should start considering running for office, to tax the hell out that shit, regulate it back to where it came from, as well as doing other political and judicial actions. More can be discussed, I am a political consultant, can email me at scriptureatpol@protonmail.com
>>533427872You are huffing pure copium if you think that any of that is going to happen.
>>533422515Call the EPA and tell them you spotted an endangered species on the land.
>>533422515>The citizens voted against it at nearly 80% vote>citizens>vootedlol
You can hold banners shaming them. Print flyers and pin them on every community board at local stores. Print a big ass picture of his face and say what the liar did selling out your community. For what it’s worth I actually have heard it mentioned and I live far away from Joliet. Someone I know briefly mentioned that you guys voted it down and they said fuck it build it anyways. I don’t really understand the point of voting if they were going to ignore it but public shaming does mean something.
>>533427957This is a good idea.
>>533427557No it isn't, unless you're talking about a big city like Chicago, New York, LA, that type.92% of city councils are part time jobs. The reason I originally asked >>533423966 if it was a township or a city. In a township, the township supervisor acts like a mayor, but they are also required to do all of the day to day work. So in a township, citizens have less political pull because the guy in charge really is the guy in charge.Cities operate differently. The most common ways:Council-City Manager (59% of US cities)> the mayor and council are elected, but it is a part time job> the hire/fire the city manager, who actually runs the city.Mayor-Council (33%)> Mayor and council make decisions > In the strong mayor version, the mayor runs the day to day.So, for most cities, the elected officials are part time, usually have to work regular full time jobs; and don't have access to large amounts of money. Yes, a few will be attorney's, but in most cities, you'll have real estate salespeople, engineers, nurses, etc.
>>533427957this is honestly the best solution. import those fucking bats and build a bat house. if they live there the company faces the full might of the EPA and theyre the last federal bastion that does not fuck around
>>533424392>construction workerscall ice on them
>>533427745>but we're well past thatNot for my community. My community is not involved in local politics at all, so the council wasn't afraid of anyone trying to stop them. I wish to change that by informing the public as much as possible.>>533427753I don't care about being labeled, I just don't want to hurt anyone.>>533427765Kek, I am not too far from that. When someone says "you're being racist", I literally just say "okay"
>>533427693See? You don't have to go full fucking skin head kicking in doors and bashing skullsSimply not allowing them peace and enjoyment, causing them public humiliation can be utterly eviscerating to certain peoples, especially narcissistic cunts, who often are drawn to such positions of limited power and get off on being petty tyrants while relishing their tiny fiefdoms of respectability Watch as their will to live wilts like a rose thrown out the car window of the I15 mid way to Vegas in the high desert. And the more people you have in your community that can scowl and deride them every where they go the betterTheir morning commute won't be the same when they go into their regular coffee shop and have a dozen people calling them corrupt pieces of shit. Private detectives can help give you that information >And they can't do shit about itAnd always practice the Patrick Little method of agitationA bum will not change anyone's mindA man well groomed man in a three pieces suit is much more convincingAnd all the better if you have a group of nice looking people calling the one person a scum bagOut group/exile psychological warfare can obliterate certain peoples psyches
>>533427998Pub\ic shaming doesnt mean shit.big tech knows how replaceable local council is. the dnc rnc runs all local elections now anyways.
>>533428029This is simply not true. People are not council members as a part time job. I live in a small VA county and every one of our council members is wealthy with a big name for the area. You don't know what you are talking about.
>>533427957Top kek! Another anon mentioned that and that will be my meme response for it. I am sure I did see an endangered rabbit near that area.
>>533428029Local elections changed bigly with 2020 covid shit.dnc\rnc runs all local elections
You can report him to the state district attorney's office, FBI, and US attorney's office. If he's a Democrat, Trump government might be interested. You can try to sick the press on him.Illinois has a way to recall council members.
>>533427957>>533427741These two can be devastating Also in the next council meeting ask why they have not completed their environmental impact statement, and inform them that the people at the EPA you talked to were very disconcerted by this information, especially considering the recent reports of migratory fowl, protected under internation treaties that several witnesses (your friends) have recently reported to them landing in the exact area set to be going under construction!
>>533427803Sometimes, but not entirely. Nearly every city will have at least one page/group that's 'anti' whoever happens to be seated at council; and that page will attract everyone who already hates them, but they will be seen as kooks by a lot of people, and their membership will taper off. The same thing happens when you show up at council:> If you agree with them on everything, you are seen as a kiss-ass, and are deemed useless> If you disagree with them all the time, you are seen as argumentative, petty, and with no ideas of your own> If you agree with them most of the time but disagree with them every now and then, you're seen as independent with a leaders mind.Meanwhile, if you show up to every meeting, you get to be known by everyone; and a lot of people who watch at home. Once you're known (if your ideas aren't completely stupid), then the opportunities come in. Cities are always in need of citizen volunteers for various boards and commissions, and you'd be surprised how much power is hidden in some of those boards. Even the minor ones give you preferred access and a louder voice than the people out there in the seats
>>533423406The solution you want doesn't exist. The solution you need requires incredible violence.
>>533422846Youre so fucking gay man, you little retard faggot.
>>533428125can you edit this to say "rape and kill the council members family"
>>533428094You're right, I am just so use to anons going peddle to the metal with their extremism. >And always practice the Patrick Little method of agitationFuck, I look like an actual bum... looks like I am going to have to get a haircut and shave...Thanks for calling attention to that
>>533422515>There is a data center being constructed in my town.Those things seem to be plagued with problems anon, such as random fires, flaming tires, broken water and electrical lines, nails in parking lots, etc.
>>533428280No violence But, as another anon mentioned, I can do "persistent protesting">>533428285lurk moar
>>533428285canadian fbi is slackingkill yourself
>>533428161>Local elections changed bigly with 2020 covid shit.What changed was the % of people using absentee. Prior to that, absentee always worked to the advantage of the republicans and/or the incumbents; after, the math has changed, though not really that much when you factor in the age-related laziness of younger voters.>dnc\rnc runs all local electionsabsolutely untrue. In every city in the country, at least one losing candidate accuses the clerk of cheating every election. To get around this, rules are put in place to prevent either side from fixing the results. I won't bore you with the details of how it's done in my area; but fixed ballots are far rarer than people think; with the exception of 2020. But even that was more of a one-off; where standard ballot security rules were made more lax during the lockdown to allow for the most people to vote under the circumstances
>>533425586>violence is the worst possible way to enact political changeYou tell that to the people of Athens, TN
>>533428244Is it worth following my local town meetings? Have you made any impact on your town? If you have what is the size of your town, ball park I mean.
>>533428434>Israeli diebold/dominion machines used in every election>Election fraud is rareElection fraud is standard practice in America.
>>533428244Nobody watches townhall meetings.youre better off hosting back yard bbq and have a booth with anti tech legislation.
>>533428487I started to show up to every meeting. I followed these rules >>533428244; and also one I didn't include:> don't speak on every subject or at every meeting, or you'll look like a boreTown of about 130k. I think I've made some impact; though I went at it as a hobby and not with the goal of making it a career. In terms of making the biggest impact against the wishes of a council, in regards to who was going to be hired for the job of police chief, I took a council who was (7-0) for one candidate, and turned them into a (5-2) vote for a different one. On lesser topics, I also moved them on some park projects, a historical monument; and, one time, forced them to back down on some new residential regulations they wanted to put in.
>>533422515Get everyone in town to swuat on the land and build a shantytown. Try to attrack wild bears too, train them to eat nerds.
>>533428434No no nopoliticaadvisory committees local pacs being set up.local politics changed alot. ad campaigns and flyers allstarted to sound like bullshit congress senate other federal elections. its not just absentee ballots.its how local politicai;s carry out business.General political science has infiltrated local grassroots with industry plants just like the indie music scene.
Imagine thinking elected representatives work for you
>>533422515Step one, go to the nearest mexican restaurant and order the biggest bean burrito on the menu. Step two, go to city hall and take a massive burrito dump all over the front steps of the building right after a meeting. Step three, problem solved.
>>533428804That’s pretty cool anon. Town hall meetings seem like going to a political rally, I just can’t find myself spending free time doing it. I’m glad people like you care even if our opinions might not align.
>>533429119A lot of the time they're pretty boring. But... there are two sets of meetings, though long, are worth making sure to attend...> the budget meetingThis is where they decide how the money is going to be spent each year. > the strategic planning meetingThis is where they plan the longer-term projects for the cityAlmost no one shows up to either, which means that if you do, your opinion is suddenly louder than any other non-official in the city.
>>533422515I'm afraid that you will have to kill them.
>>533423146 this is going to sound stupid to a lot of people. It's not a surrogate form of protest though, this shit works.If you have a car get a big ass bumper sticker on your back window. Go on Amazon, you can get business style bumper stickers that allow a lot of text. Go full schizo mode. Put it on the glass not the paint so you can take it off later. My philosophy on why this works so well is simple. If you're a local and drive through there frequently it will subliminally change people's minds who are forced to read it daily. Most people are damn near cattle, and they are easily influenced by the environment around them. During the civil war only a small percentage actually revolted. Vast majority did nothing while a percentage followed one side or the other. if you want to influence a lot of them you have to throw a message out there. Include a harsh words that grab attention like FUCK THE DATA CENTER, LOCAL GOVERNMENT WANTS YOU POISONED. DATA CENTERS DESTROY TOWNS. yada yada. Expect to be pulled over, happened to me with my covid scitzo sticker I had for a while. The cops mainly want to make sure you're normal and not a threat or some legitimate scitzo. I believe it worked because my county did not enforce any sort of covid regulations. The sherrifs flat out refused to do anything and told people to call the CDC for further help. Stand your ground, use your freedom of speech and spread the message everywhere you drive. This may be all you can do at this point if it's already passed.
>>533428318Kek, hope hes doing better in life.t. Also a professional retard.
>>533428434>What changed was the % of people using absentee. Prior to that, absentee always worked to the advantage of the republicans and/or the incumbentsFunny way of saying election fraud
>>533424243In regards to finding out who bought the land, you can get names and tax records from a website called the beacon. Not every state is on it, but a lot of them are. There is a map on the website where you can find anybodys address and tax records as it's public information. God bless anon
>>533429256Maybe you should run for something local. See if you can make any change in this country. I assume most Americans want what’s best for fellow people but quickly get corrupted once they get a hint of power. I often wonder if it’s even possible to stay true to yourself as you gain influence. I’ll check out the next city meeting because of you.
WHAT KIND OF STUPID REDNECK FAGGOT RETARD DOESN'T WANT A DATACENTER BUILT IN THEIR HOME TOWN?????WTF???
>>533429303I really like this too! I know a lot of people that will put these stickers on the glass of their windows!I will also make some to give to strangers so they will do the same! Thanks, anon!
>>533429303You reminded me of how much fun you can have with 'performative displays' at council meeting. My favorite one, from about 30 years ago:> one meeting in december, someone showed up dressed as Santa; then, during the time when citizens speak, he passed out coal to all of the council members "because they had been so naughty".
>>533429533>the beaconThanks for the advice, anon, and God bless as well
>>533429567It's probably too late to start that conversation, but if it ever comes up in another thread, I'll have to give you the lecture about how easy it can be to win a council seat, if you know how to do it. The guy who first taught it to me was the local political boss of the town I grew up in. Smart guy, basically picked everyone who would sit on council
>>533428125I've lived in 2 small towns with a mayor and councils, and they weren't (in general) wealthy or big names.Mostly retired and semi-retired people with a lot of time on their hands.Yes, they did exercise their authority to benefit themselves to some extent.Mostly petty things like variances for garage additions and sheds and having leftover gravel on the borough trucks used to freshen up their drives.
>>533422515second amendment
>>533429575>wanting an influx of H1B jeetsKys
>>533429677If you have time I would like to read it.
>>533429745Nigga, just WORK THERE yourself. Oh god forbid a ton of industry and money is brought into town. So fucking terrible!!! Why does the faggot city council get a say at all? That shit is retarded.
>>533422515Absolutely nothing you can do anon. It is impossible to mount any kind of resistance against the corperate state.
>>533429857>Oh god forbid a ton of industry and money is brought into town.How so?The hotels and restaurants that host the out-of-town construction workers and IT jeets will make bank for a couple years and then what?
>>533429857Have you been living under a rock? Data centers don't employ many people, they tank local property values, poison land, drive up utility costs, drain rivers and create constant noise pollution on top of being incredibly ugly.
>>533429857Data centers provide very few jobs and the price of electricity just happens to go up wherever they are placed. Local citizens subsidize their massive energy bill.
>>533429857Or conversely you should suck start a shot gun
>>533422515Just don't go nuts like that one dude on the news that left a note on his councilman's door saying no new data centers after doing other stuff
>>533429978>Data centers don't employ many peopleFalse.>they tank local property valuesThey're on 700 acres of private land. Wrong.>poison landWrong.>drive up utility costsThey pay for what they use just like everyone else. Wrong.>drain riversWrong.>create constant noise pollutionWrong.>incredibly uglyWrong.
>>533429787the short version....> forget the idea that you have to win 51% of the registered voters> you only have to win 51% of those who actually vote.The list of voters is public record, and the city is required to provide it to you (for a fee). So you buy the list after every election, and you start tracking voters. You target all of your effort on those people who have voted in the last 3 local elections, and you ignore everyone else.You also directly target the seniors, since they vote in higher percentages. You can usually ignore the youth, because they can barely be forced to vote. Also, lock them in just before the absentee ballots are sent out. Most elections are won before election day by the absentees.So, where some candidates will (wrongly) knock on 4000 doors; you're knocking on 1200 doors, but they're the right doors.I'm no longer as active as I used to be, but my voter database tracked 69k unique voters over the course of 10 years; and I could create lists based on criteria such as: > absentee or in person> how often they vote> how many overs in the same householdThat last one is my 'golden list'; which used to go out to a handful of candidates. It was a list of homes where each door you knocked on had 4-5 votes each. So while your opponent is spending 1/2 an hour winning someone who won't vote either way; you're becoming friends with 5 voters at a time
>>533429981>Data centers provide very few jobsRelative to what? Wrong.>the price of electricity just happens to go up wherever they are placed.Wrong.>Local citizens subsidize their massive energy bill.Extremely wrong.>>533430076Low IQ. This whole board is a joke.
>>533430089>My statements are true because they just are! Why? BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!Solipsism at its finest
>>533430129Oh looks guys. >>533427504Just as predicted With the most predictable tactics
>>533430129Dude, you are so fucking wrong and retarded You look like an idiot that doesn't know what they are talking aboutData centers are shit and no one likes them besides corpos
>>533430191Give him no more (You)s He isn't retarded, it's malice
>>533430089Okay, you've convinced me.Say no more.
>>533430229Good point
>>533430110I imagined they spent the majority of their time going after seniors since they always vote. I assumed they threw money at campaigning with ads for everyone but now I’m wondering if I received more since I actually vote. I noticed I was receiving first class mail that was political which seems expensive when you are talking about 100k+ people.
>>533422515you know what to do berry
If you get the list of voters. alot of places ha>e iniatives and referendums measures. if you can get 10% of the electorate signitures determined by total number of voters from last election you can put an iniative referendum directly on the ballot. though i think this only works for places with a home rule charter. you should call your state government to clarify. i know alot of places passed gambling and pot smoking laws through iniatives and referendums.
>>533430427Years ago, I ran a test on the age question:> start with the 2008 election, which was such a cultural moment that anyone who probably ever would vote, voted in the election.> follow those 2008 voters for the next 6 years, see who voted in every election, and who never voted again> break down by agesee chart for results. It's probably changed somewhat these days, but not enough to make a difference.
>>533430624There were 6 elections in the time I tracked. That first chart is 'all or nothing'. Here's the chart for each choice, having voted in between 1 and 6
>>533430610I'll definitely have to look more into that! I am a noob at all of this so a push in any direction is appreciated
>>533422515Vooooooooote extra hard next time
>>533430701Youshould just admit that youre part of a big data think tank gaming out how to handle the upcoming election where data centers will be a hot button issue .and if you arent you should probably also think about how big tech will counter you.
>>533430610>>533430701I saw one situation where council passed something unpopular, they got the petitions to force a vote on it; and council repealed the law themselves at the next meeting to avoid risking the election (and the loss of power/status which would have come from it)
>>533430687Crazy to see behind the curtain a bit. This does give me some confidence that it’s not all rigged otherwise why go through all the trouble.Do you believe writing our senators and congressmen has any effect?
>>533422515Just move, OP. Do what whites do best and run away
>>533430856>Do you believe writing our senators and congressmen has any effect?absolutely none. forcing your council to write the letter has more effect, but still little in the long run. Creating a shadow candidate from their own party to challenge them in the primary works best
>>533422515Google reloading supplies. Primer/fusePowderPipeNot that hard
>>533430804If that was the case, I would be asking anons "what are so bad about data centers" so the PR team could work on that image. Instead, I am asking how to fix my local government from being corrupt and ways to fight back peacefully.>and if you arent you should probably also think about how big tech will counter you.The only people that win with datacenters are corops and crooked politicians. I don't really have to worry about how big tech will counter me since the average citizen doesn't like them or AI.>to avoid risking the election that gives me hope that threatening to take their jobs away from them will actually work!
>>533422515ARE YA GONNA ((((L0SE))))?
>>533423764or find a way to void the terms of the council members
>>533422515>holds a vote>disregards the result anyway2nd amendment
>>533430909Disappointing yet expected. I still do it every few months. I assumed I was a ticker in a box about how the public feels that they will ignore anyways. People never turn on their own party which is the biggest problem I see. The world isn’t black and white and the other side isn’t always wrong.
>>533422846Find out where the councilman lives.
>>533431012Mom! The bot is broken!
>>533431108US Senators are always party animals first. It costs too much money to run, and the state-wide nature of the elections means you have to have more than just local unity. US House members, on the other hand, represent a small fixed area; usually contained within a single (or at the most two) cities. Which means that if you exercise any influence on the council level, you also have influence on the US house level. Yes, there are parties too; but unless you live in an area that's always red or always blue; the candidates running know they have to pay more than a passing lip service to their own voters
Does anyone have that copypasta where the anon claimed they turned off the water to the desert datacenter and the whole thing caught fire and burned down? I'm not even sure that it actually happened and wasn't made up, but the story was interesting nonetheless.
>>533431114Nah, find out what obscure thing they did 20 years ago to rig the game in their favor. Then bring that up."What do you mean a local business owner who invited the PM for dinner rigged the local bylaws to prohibit food carts from competing with his monopoly in the downtown area?">actual example.Also if you arent long term realpolitiking or willing to do shit like have your kids get their friends to beat the fuck out of their kids, dont even bother with small town politics. Also its very, very important yout able to label anyone who may be a threat to you and your buddies monopolies a bad kid, and have them put on the bad kid list so they never get jobs, advance in life and then if they dont get addicted to drugs or "just go away" they become a menace to society kek,Then, years later you can point to these kids you abused and treated like shit, with your friends and buddies, entirely based on "who their parents are" and hold them up as an example of "how we need to do something, before someone gets hurt"And never mention your buddy in the local police force who got fired for taking things out of the lockup and got to keep his pension.
>>533431304Here is your Bleach only mom.
>>533430967These ai datacenters are a \arge part. even a critical part of the ai market.Which is apperently 2/3rds of the national gdp now.I remember when tons of small towns and cities were opposed to walmarts. now my facebook feed is filled with local history photos from the 90s about old shops and local landmarks. but wal mart is still hereoffering same wages.you need to be realistic. youre new to this and informed primarily by poorly thought out ideals and corporate pr masquerading as news reports.
>>533431386>>533431386I haven't heard of it and I believe it.>a data center in the desert.>an anon, of all things.>finds the one critical exploit and causes a whole faculty wide fuckup.Its literally the plot of star wars, why wouldn't you believe it.
>>533422515There's your problem. The last part of this post. You cannot solve this peacefully.
>>533431490>defends AI>da GDP anon>be realistic >\>>>;this post and your constant spelling mistakes, with symbols substituted for letters, makes me question (((who))) you work for and who/what you are
>>533431553This is my first time, so I want to try peacefully
>>533424243>Kek, no.Then you're not serious and I hope you lose everything to the billionaires fucking you in the ass.
>>533422515Monkeywrenching.
>>533431759I seem to keep repeating this to every anon: This is my first time trying to do anything myself, so I want to try peacefully
>>533422846How many people live in your town? You'd be anonymous within that unless you have insider information
>>533422515print out flyers with the names and addresses of everyone whovoted yes and spread them everywjere
>>533431847Over 150KI mentioned where I live 2 post after that one because I realized that it doesn't matter
>>533422515I would need moe details (like ihas building started yet?) Because honestly I wouldn't be too worried if this is just like in the pre planning stages. Something like 60% of AI datacenters that were planned to be built in 2026 have already been cancelled. If it's going to be built forsure, I would tell news stations, and try to get help from ECOfreaks depending on where the planned site it. You said you want to stay legal otherwise I would say targetted harassment/intimidation fo whoever has the power to stop this.
>>533422515>>533431954Also, good luck anon
>>533431924Kek, I am not sure if I should give out their addresses but I will make brochures about the situation and include their names as well. Then I will hand them out to everyone.
>>533431954Building it might start next year but the land was already sold that the councilwoman owns.>You said you want to stay legal otherwise I would say targetted harassment/intimidation fo whoever has the power to stop this.I would say that "persistent protesting" is completely legal>>533431981Thanks, anonWe're all in this together
>>533422515I tought you Americans love the second amendment. Which was implemented against tyranny and govermental overreach like corrupt politicans on states level.In my opinion and understanding of the law, you should be allowed to shoot everyone involdved and invoke citizens duty based on the second. Report back when you could take a stand.
>>533431720Im just saying When you oppose the establishment be smart about itDont under estimate your opponent.these data centers arent just a local issuecyokel christain leity has pastoral notions of good morality. you may not want to resort to violence but these things behind data centers may not be so moral. youve already admitted corruption.and its not like you can put ceos and 5 star generals in jail nowadays.
>>533422515>peacefully
>>533431804If peacefully worked, 99% of the shit you see going sideways wouldn't be an issue today.
>>533432257This is the weakness of goyim. Give them a 5 meter square hole, some "food", and they will be happy. They won't want to risk what they have to get better.
>>533422515Arson
>>533422515Lawsuit.Fires at night.Redirect all your rubbish and sewage to the data center.Pooing outside the data center.Cut human sized holes in their fences with bolt cutters.Steal all the equipment left hanging around.Destroy all their cameras.Dig large trenches into the roads around the data center with a jackhammer.Leave large sharp pieces of metal in the road bent and hanging out and force them into the foundation permanently with cement.Sorry there is no peace, they declared war on you.Good luck.
get a job in the datacenter think of the money
>>533423443You can't get them fired lil nigger. They are fascists. It doesn't work like that. They will never hire you, they will never pay you, they will kill you if they can get away with it. They don't have morals. You are dealing with raw evil.
>>533431954Increase lithium ion battery power storage and there will be an end to the madness.
>>533424045It is not the majority. It is all of them. The 1 who didn't vote yes is a strategical agent who votes no to hear the complaints and your strategies. You are dealing with raw evil. They have done this before.
Pay careful attention to the details of your story. The council has voted against the interests of the public and has broken their constitution and laws.There is no more laws you need to consider when dealing with them. Laws are for dealing with civilized folk.
>>533424045whenever votes doesn't count, votes should be weighted
>>533423862You would have to go pro se and study law for years
>>533422515Literally the only thing you can do is be a violent chimp. Burn it, blow it up, harass the construction workers, tar and feather the council member in question. Your votes don't matter, they never mattered. Only force does. And you have to be willing to die for this>B-b-but No. Your ancestors died because they didn't want to pay taxes. Stop being a fucking bitch like every other person in America
>>533422515blow up the councilmen carts in minecraftthey don't have to be in the cart, but if they are out would sure be a funnier prank
>>533431941>150K >but I don't want to risk being identifiedokay, so it's not happening and this whole thread is bullshit
>>533433463lurk moarI posted it in the beginning of the threadJust read 2 more post down, if you can
Just curious: what problem u have with datacenters? Data center is basically just a warehouse type building where lots of servers are stored. Literally nothing else. Some few 4-5 employees work over there, who clean, service, maintain the servers and they mind their own business.Your daily life is not affected by a datacenter. Why do u care?>>533422631>>533422690>>533422789>>533422846>>533423044
>>533433869Electricity, water and housing prices will increase are the big 3, not to mention all the harm they will causeAre you retarded?
>>533433869>Why do you care about corruption and the local government selling out it's constituents to a multinational corporation?
>>533425386love seeing some applied autism like this
Well the thing is newfags, the council technically isn’t operating outside of the constitution since you guys are considered United States citizens which have no constitutional protections. You have to exercise your rights as a state citizen not the United States corporate citizen that they have you down as that has no constitutional protections. They create a legal fiction in your name in all capital letters when you’re born through the social security administration. That name in all capitals is not you and is used on all contracts and financial dealings like drivers license, bill statements, mortgage, etc. So there actually is a solution to paying taxes, and being subject to statutory law, and being a cuckslave. it’s by understanding how law/finance works and understanding your status and citizenship.
Law doesnt work anymore. Terrorism works.
>>533422515Butlerian Jihad!
>>533422515>What can we, my community, do to stop this?The peaceful option was voting, which they ignored. Moving out en masse is another peaceful option, though you will find issues with employment and a buyer for your property that isn't ultimately the very corporation you're trying to fend off. Otherwise it's the multiple year long court system of investigations, subpoenas, bribery/"lobbying", etc to get an answer from the compromised individual and by then the data center has been built and town subsequently ruined.It doesn't stop until civil unrest reaches a critical stage where leadership remembers it's supposed serve the people, neither the other way around nor themselves. Don't burn down the community hall or something just yet, but making that individual feel unsafe in his own community is a great start.
>>533433938>Housing price increase How ? It's one single commercial warehouse. That's it.>WaterIt barely consumes any water. Plus, it has a different mains than residential.>Electricity This might increase, but only by a little. It's one small warehouse building in a huge ass town. It's like an Amazon warehouse. Nothing special.>>533434021Why do u hate multinational corporations? Any company which creates jobs in my community is good. Why become jealous of someone else making money? If you were smart, you could create your own MNC.Don't have a childlike lefty mentality. >>533422631>>533422631>>533422690
>>533434307It probably could but it’s not. I don’t see anyone doing anything violent besides a few cases like Luigi. Probably because no one wants to do life in prison. That’s why it’s better to try to find a legal solution.
>>533434294As long as bootworshipers exist, that "legal fiction" is as real as the "freedom" that they get from the false god that they keep worshiping.
>>533434431You are a retarded fucking shill and everyone can see past your bullshit. There is multiple evidence or everything skyrocketing in price and also harming the environment, and the water treatment plant is less than 3 miles away.Nice try, glowie
>>533433869There’s been cases where citizens are being told to consume less water because of a new data center. Don’t act like they don’t affect anyone. The fact that so few people work in them isn’t a plus either, for something that consumes so much water and power you’d hope that it at least creates jobs, but nope.
>>533434399My main plan is to kick out the rest of the members in next years election and have them be replaced with members that will vote against the data center. I want the data center company to catch word of this so they hopefully plan to cancel going through with it
>>533422515>>533422631>listen to me saar>calm down>do you see link in email?>click it please saarDATA CENTER PWNED
op..you have to post the perpetrator..if you dont then nothing will happen >pic related did x>pic related also did y>pic related cant get away with z
>>533434517You were baited, retard.>kek multinationals are actually based and the will of the people is overratedCome on...
>>533434671You can get the info from this post >>533423146>>533434723He's a jamboy, so I am sure that he is serious
>>533434671Sorry, I am tired. I didn't realize that you posted her pic
>>533422846He's not asking for YOUR name
>>533434843just lurk moarI mention it 2 post later
>>533422515>This is a serious problem and I wish to solve it peacefully.Lobby in front of the council members' homes. Put them on notice and be a presence. You guys are just a voice, just a number, just a minor speedbump that in their minds they will never see again.Be present. Be there. It works and has worked before. The idea of pitchforks and torches is very effective in deterring whatever shitheel behaviours they have planned. Force them to know that you guys know.Short of that, there is no peaceful route. They'll keep doing it until you lynch them.
they are now so rich, they can hire 1000 niggers in your town to gang stalk you. they are jews anyway and the entire mossad is gang stalking you virtually for free.they probably control all local business and employees. all party members and niggers on their payroll will be ordered to target your family and get you out of the way.
>>533434878Lawful collective pressure is the only real available card you hold.Reality is that as long as Central Banking exists, cartoon people will have cartoon money for their cartoon projects. All you can do is watch.The wildcard is using violence. It's more impact but a lot more risk too. 50/50 it backfires.
>>533434923In my eyes, that is "persistent protesting" and is peaceful in my eyes and compared to what a bunch of anons have mentioned. I plan on letting the entire town know how she betrayed us all.Her entire family is going to feel the weight of their last name drag them done.I am autistic and am laser focused
>>533435016Maybe, but I am willing to take that risk>>533435034>Lawful collective pressure is the only real available card you hold.I agree and I need to find a political gang I can join. Maybe a socialist workers party...
>>533435050Godspeed, anon. I'll pray for you and your community's success.
>>533435104>socialisttry make sure it's national too desu
>>533422846>>533422846Absolutely hilarious.Look everyone a golem goy thinking they have any matter against jewish billionsYour only job is to fuck and make more children now go back to doing that before you're magically an hero'd just for being in the way of more profit for the already bloated filthy rich overlords.
>>533435107Thanks, anonFor the good of the community >>533435131Kek, of course!>>533435151lurk moar
>>533435151And then, for no reason at all, they voted YE into power
>>533423146Whatever you do, do not bring your phone. Leave it at home. For good measure boot up TF2 on a pc and join an idle server.Any clothes you wear will be burned that night. Nothing that stands out or is easily identifiable. Dark navy, black, charcoal. Black face mask. If you buy clothes get one piece at a time from different stores. Same for equipment. Go a few towns over to go shopping. Double gloves, disposable on top.Tell no one. Be calm and patient. Do not post about it or brag here or anywhere.
>>533422515>tries to stop government project with paperwork>fails miserably>”What other paperwork can we do to stop this?”Pick up some pitchforks and torches you pussy. Or just fund some project negros to molotov the construction site every day.
>>533435231Thanks for caring, anon, but I don't plan on doing anything drastic
>>533435267We are going after their jobs and are going to do persistent protesting
>>533422515solidgoldmagikarps coming after you
Civil engineer fag here. Do you have access to the plans for the site? If you contact your local department of planning or building, you might be able to get a copy of the plans. And once you have that, you can start grilling the council members over all the environmental impacts that will surely result. The council members have to at least pay lip service to environmental groups, especially in a blue state like Illinois. And per the Patch article, Kimley-Horn is the engineering company doing the site design. They are a notoriously shitty civil engineering firm and WILL have a ton of issues with whatever design they spit out.Look for impacts to floodplains, streams, forests, and wetlands. I guarantee there will an impact to some, and the developer will need some sort of approval for each and every one of these impacts. If it's a wetland or floodplain impact, they will most likely need state (from the state environmental department) and federal (from the local district of the US Army Corps of Engineers) approvals. This is your opportunity. Public notice and comment requirements means that these agencies need to get public input before issuing permits for these environmental impacts. Get as many people as you can to call and email them. Even if you don't stop them from issuing the permit, they have to respond to each and every comment, which can significantly slow the process down.If you have any local civil engineer friends, have them look over the plans and they can probably point out a billion issues that you can run to your local Sierra Club or other environmental group with. These environmental groups have experience doing exactly what I described above. Use them to drag the process out as long as possible. Make the developer spend a fortune on bullshit environmental studies. If you're lucky, by the time the city actually comes around to issuing a building permit, the AI boom money will have dried out and the project will fizzle out from lack of funding.
>>533424045>This is a serious problem and I wish to solve it peacefully.OK, good luck! keep us posted!
>>533422515Make the land around it or on it into a desirable location for rare birds and bats. I don't think Trump has murdered the migratory bird act.Bro the day he ends it, I'll have like 10 dead hawks.
>>533431077many such cases, sad!
>>533422515>yeah i saw a bald eagle nest at *location of datacenter*!
>>533422515>solve it peacefully.Lol. Lmao. Until one of you takes it for the team, and goes and murders every corrupt politican out there, nothing will change. Don't get caught. This is quite pointless thread.
Send a message to the relevant authorities that you saw an endangered bat or caterpillar or something on that land. Everything stops for an investigation that takes years. By that time the datacenters fad will be over
>>533423146You sucked Trump's orange balls. Now suffer in the cursed fate you have created.
>>533434431>Why do u hate multinational corporationsNIGGER why the fuck are you being purposely disingenuous and leaving out the first half of that statement?>orruption and the local government selling out This is peak pretending to be fucking retarded for nefarious purposes And then you follow it up with the worst type of cunty drivelYou would never speak this way to a person in real life because it would have an extremely high likelyhood of being smacked
>>533435151Thanks mister demoralizer shill! Very cool!
>>533436438Why do you still niggers ALWAYS mention some type of sodomy or phallacio type act. I mean it's more consistent than gravity at this point
>>533422515Start killing them
>>533422846Bro the fbi already has your home address and saved logins in your browser from your IP. (Trust me this thread was already reported to the fbi)Youve dine doxxed yourself to the authorities thatll put you behind bars already. Might as well let 4channel.org autism help you in an online virtue crusade
>>533427769Seethe bot
>>533435034>as long as Central Banking exists, cartoon people will have cartoon money for their cartoon projectsanons we have a high IQ namefag
>>533422846You're a faggot coward and deserved to be raped and forced into a labor camp for the robots. If you can't name locations, jerk off w Elon in discord or something.
>>533422515The citizens have guns don't they? When a government goes over the wishes of the population that's tyranny, that's what the 2nd Am is for.
>>533422515Its nice your trying to genuinely understand and get involved in local affairs.But, it seems clearly too late for this, and the change you want will take many years if your local board is so corrupt.You might not like it but small targeted non pain causing violence probably is the last way out. Local farmers set cars on fire and the owners always change their attitude to whatever makes them feel they will be safe and not harmed. And before you freak out, just know they will send cops with guns and the authority to hurt you the second they can use them to intimidate you. So how's a burnt car, barn or front door any different? Just don’t actually hurt people physically.
>>533433869Aren't they supposed to be loud as fuck and make people go insane from the constant noise?
>>533422846You literally wouldn't be found out. Wtf are you on about.
>>533422515Constant vandalism of the construction site
