I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support Russia, especially if you yourself are Russian. Why do you support the war? Do you believe it was necessary for defense? Do you simply want the land or do you think it would be strategically necessary to hold it? Is there a more complicated reason?I’ve seen many different reasons for people supporting the war, but more often I see pro-Russian people simply responding to the claims of pro-Ukraine people instead of making their own arguments independently. Some follow-up questions: >Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you? Explain what winning looks like and why you think that it’s currently the reality>What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcome?
>>533471452Ukraine is run by jews dead set on killing whites and replacing them with niggers and 3rd worlders. I dont support either side though.
>>533471452The average zigger is just this >>533471889 OP, you're not actually going to get anything that aligns with reality.
>>533471452stfukys
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support Russia, especially if you yourself are Russian.I'm not Russian, but in regards to your question, consider what the alternative is.
>>533471452Russia had no right to invade ukraine, because legally, not country has the right to invade another sovereign country or organize revolutions, ever. Never.They are right though that ukraine break their treaties by traying to join NATO.I will ask you this, what would the US do if canada and mexico agreeded to host chinese and russian military bases in their countries, close to the borders, with nukes pointing out to your country? Is exactly the same situation.
>>533471452I honestly don't give a fuck about subhumans killing eachother like they've been doing for centuries. But since the Ukroids insist that I give them my full support or I'm a Russia supporter, well, might as well do the thing I'm already getting shit for.
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>>533471452Too many retarded assumptions disguised as questions. I think you're neither willing nor able to understand someone else's position.
>>533471452Expecting an honest answer out of a Russian dealing in geopolitics is like believing in the tooth fairy.
>>533471946I was sort of worried that would happen. That’s why I tried to write it in the most open and fair way possible to prevent it to the greatest extent possible. I want genuine arguments and not just shitflinging
>>533471452I just wish they could both lose
>>533471452I see their viewpoint.It's like Iran right now. They got surrounded by kikes and US bases and get striked constantly.Didn't they also have Biolabs in Ukraine targetting Russians?They probably saw a buildup of military equipment on the birder so they decided to strike first
>>533471452I support the Russian empire because fuck the west, Russia never couped my country like you faggotnigger mulatto ranchers did
>>533471452Western societies are too bloodthirsty and deranged, they can attack you for no reason at all (simply because somebody lobbied that): Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. All these countries were destroyed and millions of civilians died for no reason - there was no just cause, not even plausible interest - simply we don't like them and they are defenseless, let's kill them all type of barbaric mentality.Nobody supports this war. Most people simply understand that when west proclaims you the enemy of democracy, genocide comes next. They never keep it between combatants, we all know how much civilian casualties western interventions bring. Western countries also tend to support the most radicals of groups that will continue killing people even if the war is over.What Putin did was retarded. However, if attacking Russia is not convenient anymore, since infinity willing ukrainian army is no more, west can move on to torture somebody more easier. As cynical as it sounds, it's working - west got bored and moved to another place. Removing western abilities to wage war in your immediate vicinity is what any sane country would do today. Especially now, when it's so desperate to demonstrate force and will try to escalate everything it physically can.
>>533473704>They probably saw a buildup of military equipmentyes, 700.000 foreign armed dudes on the national borders are quite the military buildup heehee
>>533471452because ukraine is cringe and their posters suck, reddit spacer>ITS KEEEEV> SLAVA UKRAINY!>GHOST OF KIEV!that's why I want them to be genocided. reddit tier posting
>>533471452Normally I'd be upset if Russia invaded another country, but we are talking abvout Ukraine over here. This is a country corrupt as shit, unable to build any sort of working economy, retarded as fuck, constantly begging for money and constantly ungrateful. Also they have the Wołyń Massacre on their record. Also they elected pic related by huge majority of votes.
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support Russia, especially if you yourself are Russian.I m not russian. Russia did nothing wrong, they didn t start the civil war, your jews did. They came to protect ethnic russian living in that former USSR shithole.
>>533474178>Russia can't even beat a homosexual manlet and the homosexual manlet in question is actually much more well liked over the world compared to PutinThere has never been a larger fall from Grace then Russia
>>533473996> Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, VietnamPuccia was the aggressor in Libya, Syria and Afghanistan. But they kicked your ass you low IQ coward
>>533471452none of this would have happened if ukraine wasn't shelling donbas
>>533474067This is the issue with you kikes.The moment someone legitimately wants to discuss what could have been the cause, you guys derail and mock.Jap m00t needs to ban all Israeli and VPN IPs
>>533474276Is this why twinks and retirees get busified for meatwaves? You need to skiddadle back to your /uhg/ retard cope zone.
>>533471452Redpilled people simply support the enemies of the jewish empire, it's not that complicated.
>>533471452Don't care about puccia, but hohlox are obnoxious butthurt belters suiciding themselves against their metropolis for the sake of globohomo
>>533473528A simple quick search in official russian channels shuts down the "We are fighting ZOG" argument.
>>533471452because Ukraine can't win and the war needs to end
>>533474438>Year 5 of the war with no end in sightKek, why do America and Russia get into these pointless, endless wars
>>533474358>Ziggers still pretend this was real in their mindKEKAROOO
>>533471452I think this is what you are looking for... Or maybe you are a disingenuous faggot. Hard to tell these dayshttp://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
>>533471452Too many questions, I already forgot what was themI'm Bessarabian Bulgarian from ukraine living my whole life in russia with plenty of relatives living in Ukraine All this 'nazi' thing is partially true. None of Ukrainian minorities have any rights and all Ukrainian neighbours hate ukraine as well.The problem is that current Ukrainian regime are just a bunch of troublemakers for everyone around them and even for their own population.Definitely one of the worst state that existed on earth
>>533474178>muh massacre.Who gives a fuck about some stupid shit that went down a hundred years ago. Pollacks weren't perfectly behaved in them days either. You sound like another victim complex kike. STFU.
See >>533473877, he is still till butthurt anglos lost Las Malvinas and then "brainwashed based trad gauchos into voting for Fernandez so his son can pay his Jinx cosplay".The average russian supporter still hasn't figured KGB, the organization Putin worked for, spent decades corrupting the world so we ended up with people like Dyhzy .
>>533474637https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JovKkDvAU9Y
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support RussiaYou don't deserve it.
Ukraine started the conflict under the influence of the then US Vice President Joe Biden.
>>533471452Real question is - why are random people outside of Russia and Ukraine so emotionally invested into this conflict?
>>533474613To be intellecually honest, all territorial wars turned into prolonged war of attrition.Pic related: soldiers cheerful going for the one week operation which turned into WWI.
>>533474284explain.
>>533474585How so John Smith from the Texas oblast?Russia has been wrecked multiple times, in fact both WW1 and the Soviet-Afghan War destroyed them so throughfully their empires collapsed:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
>>533474930Yes and WW1 completely broke Europe and lead to WW2 which fundamentally shifted the global order away from the EU to Russia and America. Do you honestly think that Russia is going to come away stronger from the Ukraine war? They've already lost.
>>533474757>It's Russia's fault that I masturbate to trannies
>>533474901you have to live in the west to understand. propaganda is real here.
>>533474901because ukraine is a nato proxy. kind of like israel but slightly larger
>>533474901because i hate globohomo satanic faggots and their minions and everywhere they lose, get killed it brings joy to my life
>>533474284I don't know what made you upset, but that's what we believe. Removing western ability to effectively concentrate and amass people near our border and also raising the costs of such potential conflict is the only deterrence. They will pivot to stirring shit in other muslim countries or Africa because it's easier to entice these people kill each other. Besides, Israel already is eyeing Turkey, so there is that. They will be busy, our safety is achieved to a dozen of years or so.
>>533474789Now show me the documentary about Jewtin's mansion and explain why the Zigger who made it randomly died.
>>533473996I like Putin more than you.
>>533474901Basically every pro-regime TV channel and news magazine demonizes Russia. Atrocity porn galore. Anyone who disagrees is brutally silenced by the regime. This is going on for years now. All the mouth breathers have fallen for it at some point.
>>533474901our countries do not know how to eat without taking food away from the mouths of others. instead of making efficient use of their own land, they want to conquer and take over other people's land. and so they feed us bullshit in our ears to justify it all.
>>533475013I'd say it's Ukraine that lost. Literally out of manpower and Russia is stationed where they wanted to stay anyway.This is what winning looks like:https://busification.org
>>533475164Two more weeks until kyiv
>>533475164>Literally out of manpower Funny, I've been hearing this line since summer 2022
>>533471452Not trying to make ajoke but learn literally any American history at all, OP.
A Russian guy I used to work with called Russians in Russia brainwashed retards once. There's hope in case a lot of people are just fucking lazy.
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support RussiaThe United States and Russia are natural strategic allies with shared interests, and the only reason for a hundred years of animosity between our peoples is because of a ruling class that is still seething about the Pale of Settlement.
>>533474861Why you lie, russians themselves recognized they were the ones who started this:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/11/igor-strelkov-moscow-targets-a-pro-war-russian-who-criticised-putin>“I pulled the war’s trigger,” he told the nationalist Zavtra newspaper while describing how he led four dozen armed “volunteers” who crossed into Ukraine’s Donetsk region in April 2014.>Strelkov boasted of ordering the torture and execution of pro-Ukrainian officials, police officers and war prisoners in Donetsk – and carried out at least one of the executions.>To his supporters, his actions meant the dawn of a new page in Russia’s history.>“We all remember these events, this feeling of overwhelming joy and pride for Russia,” a group that calls itself A Russian Movement to Defend Igor Strelkov said on Telegram on August 3.And this comes from Al-Jazeera, an anti-jew often anti-western newspaper who has been pro-palestinian for years, so don't you even dare come try to tell me they have any reason to support US hegemony.
>>533475068i aint black or zionist why you calling me a zigger. idk what you are referring to tho
>>533475096You are American, you hate everybody but the greatest ally, that's you system prompt instructions.
To save lives.It's too late now.
>>533475221Exactly because they lost and it was done in 2022. The rest is fake and gay. For all I know a lot of these drone gore vids are Ukrainians bombing busified Ukrainians so they can beg for more money. The classic: dai dai dai.
>>533475261>And this comes from Al-Jazeera, an anti-jew often anti-western newspaper who has been pro-palestinian for years, so don't you even dare come try to tell me they have any reason to support US hegemony.AJ is loyal UAE to monarchy. they are critical of US hegemony to a point. AJ journalists quitted from them to create al mayadeen which is a better anti-west pro-palestine news org
>>533474901Because sooner or later the rest of us will have to deal with you if you aren't stopped, and even under you is worst than even a fucking Cartel:Timeline of Conquests and Assimilations by RussiaMuscovy (1283-1547):- Novgorod Republic - annexed in 1478- Tver Principality - absorbed in 1485- Pskov Republic - annexed in 1510 - Ryazan Principality - annexed in 1521Tsardom of Russia (1547-1721):- Kazan Khanate - conquered in 1552- Astrakhan Khanate - conquered in 1556- Siberian Khanate - conquered in 1582-1598- Crimean Khanate - vassalized, later annexed in 1783- Livonian territories - contested during the Livonian War (1558-1583)Russian Empire (1721-1917):- Finland - annexed from Sweden in 1809- Poland - partitioned in 1772, 1793, 1795- Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) - annexed from Sweden and Poland- Georgia - annexed in 1801- Armenia and Azerbaijan - annexed from Persia (Treaty of Turkmenchay, 1828)- Central Asian Khanates: Kokand (1876), Bukhara (1868), Khiva (1873)- Circassian territories - conquered during the Caucasian War (1817-1864)- Alaska - colonized, sold to the U.S. in 1867- Parts of Manchuria and Outer Mongolia - influence in late 19th centurySoviet Union (1922-1991):- Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova - incorporated as Soviet republics- Baltic States - annexed in 1940- Transcaucasian republics - Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan- Central Asian republics - Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan- Eastern Bloc countries - controlled: East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria- Parts of Finland - ceded after Winter War (1940)- Kaliningrad - annexed from Germany in 1945Russian Federation (1991-present):- Chechnya - reintegrated after wars (1994-1996, 1999-2009)- Crimea - annexed from Ukraine in 2014- Donetsk and Luhansk - claimed in 2022- Kherson and Zaporizhzhia - partially occupied and claimed in 2022
>>533474964op sounded sincere so I gave him a sincere answer. I could give less of a shit about who wins a conflict in eastern europe, it's a waste of money to fund it. If you think ukraine can still win without us support, so be it, I don't care.
>>533474901I like ukranian and russian women
>>533473996>russian societies are too bloodthirsty and deranged, they can attack you for no reason at all (simply because somebody lobbied that): Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc. All these countries were destroyed and millions of civilians died for no reason - there was no just cause, not even plausible interest - simply we don't like them and they are defenseless, let's kill them all type of barbaric mentality.Say it with me, every Russian accusation…
>>533471452We just like dead slavniggers because they're subhuman
>>533475274You'll need to work on grammar if you're wanting to move here. If you think I hate Russia or Ukraine you're mistaken.
>>533475658Why? The AI that is going to replace in a few years doesn't care.
>>533473437the "putler" shit pisses me off so much. these are the same liberals who always said the ussr was never a threat. now putin invades ukraine just like stalin did, kills hordes of ukranians just like stalin did, and suddenly he's...hitler.
>>533474706Don't care. Fuck you. Massacre is not answered. They still wave Bandera flags. They're not getting any sympathy or money out of me.
>>533471452The general idea of securing an underbelly nation under our influence is something i support. Simply put you dont want any hostile country that close to the heart of the nation.But the way war turned out and how we conduct it is a mess.The land grab is something i have yet to understand. Depending on the final outcome its either will be not enough or not needed at all Russia is winning so far, Final victory and the minimum must include securing our influence in the land even if it is indirect. Is it worth the cost? Dunno, time will tell
>>533471452i more so support Donetsk and Luhansk than i do Russia, however Russias involvement in the conflict allow for these nations to get what they want which i believe is their right>Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you? Explain what winning looks like and why you think that it’s currently the realityi mean Russia are 200 miles deep into Ukraine, even if the actual warfare is at a stalemate its hard to disagree with the fact that Russia has gained infinitely more than Ukraine >What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?even if they only take what they currently occupy, thats an undeniable victory for Russia, however if this conflict continues and the meat grinder last for another 4 years, i can see all thats east of the Dnieper going to Russia in the end>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcome?No wars are worth it desu
>>533475751ESL ivan you need to head to the frontline
>>533474901>>533471452>Real question is - why are random people outside of Russia and Ukraine so emotionally invested into this conflict?BINGO.Because, really, it's not a conflict between "nations". ("ukrainian" nation doesn't exist)It's a clash of WORLD ORDERS / civilizations.DUH./thread
>>533474514there are multiple jewish empires.
>>533475365>they lost and it was done in 2022. Somebody forgot to tell the Ukrainians that then, considering they have been hamburgerimg Russians for almost five years now
>>533471452zelensky is a jew
>>533475827I don't because my name is not Ivan. You go to the frontline.
>>533471452If you're not baiting, then:>Why support RussiaThe war is pretty unpopular here, the only way the government gets recruits is through aggressive ads everywhere. There's constant propaganda in TV and radio and a bunch of laws forbidding critique under the threat of prison, so only the pro-war position is publicly available. Still, the hohols have set out to be as hateable as possible, with the constant nazi larping, indiscriminate civilian terror bombing in Donetsk, Bryansk and other places, endless gore production and suppression of Russian language and culture. This is both retarded and insulting, an analogy could be the US instating ebonics as the official language and banning byron, dickens and the beatles to spite the brits. Another point is the rabid suicidal hostility of our former important trade partners, the eurogoys. They got fucked in 2014 when the US set up the hohol coup gov, they got fucked again when the hohols blew up nordstream, they are getting fucked by the war in iran yet again. Each of these crises brought them pain, and yet they have not strayed from all-out confrontation with Russia by a single iota. How can you negotiate and deal with states which try their hardest to kill you, not out of economic need, like the US, but out of hate? Even if there was a peaceful away out, it might be worse than outright defeat since the other side wants you eradicated.>Do you want the landFrankly speaking, I don't. This land is toxic, the locals hate us, the rest of the world will buy shit from there with a huge discount at best, so it doesn't seem to be worth it. The westoids won bigly in 2014, so turning back the clock now is very costly. There are historic reasons for our presence there, of course, but that was the past and now is the present. Empires die and break up all the time, almost none of them succeed in reassembly, it is best to accept it.
>>533475821>more so support Donetsk and Luhansk than i do Russia,So you support Russia>the fact that Russia has gained infinitely more than Ukraine They hold half the territory they originally did in 2022>even if they only take what they currently occupy, thats an undeniable victory for RussiaLol
>>533475877According to who? Nafo?
>>533471452I had family members killed by ukrainian fascists from UPA. I think its reason enough to support anyone fighting ukraine >Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you? No>What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?Total Ukrainian Destruction>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcomeYes, even through russia will lose the war. For sure
>>533475965Speak english properly and head to your ditch already.>>533475974Life is never returning to normal for you kek. Enjoy becoming North Korea.
>>533475974>we dindu nuffin!
>>533473528Globohomo coup’d the legitimately elected government of Ukraine in 2014 and instigated this war.
>>533476028>nafoOfficial russian obituaries
>>533471452The world needs counter-weights to the US. Russia is a valuable counter-weight. China is a bigger counter-weight, but Russia is still important. Russia complements China well. Russia is what China is not, that is, a net exporter of many foods, fuels and materials that China is a net importer of. Furthermore, Russia is willing to sell weapons and technology even to countries that China is not willing to sell to (e.g. Iran).
>>533476146Again with the coup shitDo you kremlinbots literally have no other argument?
>>533475877Hamburgering so much they cant leave their own country and people get grabbed off the streets while i freely travel (except yurop that is) and wasnt even sent to the border on my conscription service. How one retarded as you can combine those 2 realities together is beyond me
>>533471946>>533473528Fooled nobody award
>>533476180Russia isn't a counter-weight. They can't even project power in Ukraine lmao. They're not even a regional power anymore.
>>533476206Do you have any other argument besides 'no u' or zigger/brown/trannie/you lost?
>>533473996Quality post
>>533476215>so much they cant leave their own countryIt's called conscription retard.>and wasnt even sent to the border on my conscription serviceNot that i would expect a vodka swilling aids infested mongol mutt like you to even know this but Russia can't deploy conscripts outside it's own borders
>>533476206>refuses to acknowledge an obvious reality that is the basis for this There really is no point arguing with shills like you. You simply attempt to rewrite history at every turn.
>>533476028>muh body exchange numbersOh my god will you fake poles on a VPN shut the fuck up already. You can't retrieve bodies in the grey zone. To reach a former grey zone you must be advancing. Dead Ukrainians are in the current gray zone, then it becomes a russian-controlled zone. Dead Russians are stepping over their dead comrades bodies in the gray zone, then it becomes a Russian-controlled zone. Russians are not going to trade bodies to themselves (except when they sometimes do, because they are fucking idiots who don't document their countrymens' identities well), it doesn't make any sense. Meanwhile, Ukrainians are not going to go into enemy controlled territory to die to FPVs just to grab their corpses.
>>533475737I expect the change in topic to be relevant. If that's what you're seriously worried about then it's not an issue, I believe. You can be Russian and better than an ai. Now that I'm thinking about it, I haven't considered how difficult it would be for that region to immigrate. Somehow it's easier for others. Don't worry, I'm disappointed too. I'd be interested in testing for the inverse situation and I applied for asylum there. If it's any consolation.
>>533476312>no u' or zigger/brown/trannie/you lost?Funny how i never wrote any of these things.
>>533476206Facts aren’t “arguments”
>>533476312>>533476334>Ukraine didn't want to become a corrupt shithole third world country that serves pootin so it must be the CIAlol
>>533476334>obvious reality>>533476368>factsI would like to ask you if you even know how yanukovich was ousted from power. Or if you even know the order of events during and after euromaidan
>>533471452Ukraine was part of Russia for like 500 years and only exists as its own country because Stalin wanted the Soviet Union seem like it had more independent member states than it actually did. I'm not "pro-russia" but it's more complicated than "Putin bad".
>>533476467>Ukraine was part of Russia for like 500 years and only exists as its own country becauseThat's like 90% of all countries, including yours retard
>>533476247Russian soldiers are in half of Africa right now.Anyway, Russia's importance as a counter-weight isn't military adventurism. Russia's importance is that it is an exporter of the critical essentials that a country needs (fuels, fertilizers, foods, raw materials and armaments) who does not care about US sanctions.Russia is even willing and able to defy US naval blockades. Recently, a Russian tanker reached Cuba unmolested when previously a Greek-owned tanker going from Colombia to Cuba had been turned back by the US coast guard ship.https://maritime-executive.com/article/report-uscg-cutter-blocks-tanker-bound-for-cuba-with-vital-fuel-supplyhttps://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-oil-tanker-has-arrived-cuba-interfax-reports-2026-03-30/
>>533471452Eastern Ukraine has always been well… Russians. There’s an old saying. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it’s a fucking duck, we spend half a trillion dollars propping up this failed state to antagonize Russia over something that belongs to them.
>>533476364Zigger is synonymous with calling others Russian, including me. You know what you are doing you lying fuck.
>>533476404Oinkraine is a corrupt third-world shithole serving for globohomo since 1991
>>533471452>>533474901>>533475859any "support" for the ukraine is MISGUIDED, easily REFUTABLE w basic LOGIC.( picrel is how an IDEAL dream scenario political map of Europe would look like... -- all Slavic nations combined, with the West and East having EQUAL[-ish] and BALANCED access to the Major SEAS ......also, please DO NOTICE something MISSING ... ;]] )What you *THINK* you support is NOT REALLY "the ukraine", but a different thing entirely. :)PROOF, in FOUR (4) PARTS ---- 1 being a political PARALLEL, 2 and 3 being a brief PRE-HISTORY, and 4 being an ANALOGY meant for historically illiterate AMERICAN consumers.I shall do you the additional FAVOR of preceding said "four (4) parts" with a condensed TL;DR,...... SPECIFICALLY TAILORED for completely HISTORICALLY ILLITERATE Americans... ~_~.==========*TL;DR:*==========.This whole thing was *NEVER* about "the ukraine" .What you *THINK* you are "supporting" is NOT REALLY "the ukraine", but a different thing entirely. :)The entity you *"THINK"* you are supporting ("the ukraine") is actually an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENTITY altogether, that in reality has NOTHING to do with "ukrainians".It was about installing an anti-Russian junta-regime in Kiev to act as a THORN IN RUSSIA'S SIDE . ...... so that the EU / NATO Western elites could prolong their "dominance" and "high" standard of living, ...... at the expense of the "ukrainian" people, who would be the SACRIFICIAL LAMBS towards the achievement of said goal, ...... by SEVERING Russia's centuries-long traditions and connections with its immediate hinterlands and brethren people . :PThe only way of "supporting" the ukraine is to promote its accession into the Russian Federation.When this War ends, IF the jewish junta is STILL in place, "ukrainians" will be replaced by jeets and niggers.On the other hand, IF the Russian world is united, this will be managed and contained, and NOT allowed to happen...
>>533476555Yes Russia is very strong and losing 1 million+ men is actually them winning and I am demoralised
>>533476610.======================================================.ULTIMATE **tl;dr**LAST DITCH EFFORTfor ultimately historically - ILLITERATE American 'muricans consumers:.======================================================.............Before the American Revolution, the British territories in North America were called BRITISH AMERICA.Naturally, when the Revolutionary War started, the FIRST THING that the new political entity did, to assert, affirm and proclaim its INDEPENDENCE from the FORMER polity which had Dominion over the territories fought over was **TO RENAME ITSELF.**TO ... :**UNITED STATES** of America.i.e. they removed ANY and ALL past associations with ANYTHING "British" in the NAME....Well, do you see "the ukraine" rename itself in a way that disassociates it with its 90%-Russian past ??NO....=============CONCLUSION:=============The entity you *"THINK"* you are supporting ("the ukraine") is actually an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENTITY altogether, that in reality has NOTHING to do with "ukrainians"..As a matter of fact, it gets EVEN WORSE for them than you might even possibly IMAGINE :It might even be that within the CURRENT "ukrainian" POWER STRUCTURE, there is a HEAVY AND STRONG pro-RUSSIAN element that directly acts against and OPPOSES the jew-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ian JUNTA of ZELENSKY and his Western "partners".And NONE of these above-enumerated Western forces are even AWARE of any of that !! xDThey THINK they are "in control" in Kiev......when in reality the PUBLICLY-visible "CABINET" is CONSTANTLY, and, maybe even, quite possibly, ENTIRELY SUBJUGATED TO a "shadow force" with pro-Russian inclinations. :P.
>>533476583Quote the post where i wrote zigger
>>533471452I support Russia in the war because globohomo is shilling tirelessly for Ukraine. I hate globalists (jews), everything they stand for, and everything they've done to fuck up the world. If they're telling me I should support something, I will be against it unless I have good evidence directing me otherwise.The people who were screaming at me about not getting the COVID vax are the same people who shill for Ukraine. Fuck em
>>533476327>It's called conscription retard.I dont remember conscription giving a 1 year off until you are mobilised again but keep coping>but Russia can't deploy conscripts outside it's own borders>Ignored the point awardgotta run away from reality checks because you are delusional amirite
>>533476610>>533476640.==========PART 1 ONE:==========.You know GERMANY and AUSTRIA, right?Austria in German is "Österreich" (OesterReich) LITERALLY means "EASTERN REACH(es)" (almost same as in English).( "REACH" is in the sense of "land", "region", "area", "end" , etc. you get the idea )[ _POLITICALLY_ , this can also be translated as EASTERN / OUTER _+PLUS+_ kingdom / state / country ]Sounds a bit "demeaning" to Austrians that their country is named that, no?Well... Not exactly...Because "Austrians" are (mostly) ethnically, linguistically and historically (MOSTLY) GERMAN, their natural COLLECTIVE National Aim is to seek reunification with their Motherland one day.( Obviously, however, this will NOT happen ANY TIME SOON, as the cucked European powers would NOT allow a Re-Unified Grand German State )THUS, Austrians are content with their CURRENT "demeaning" name, because they don't have any special pretenses or pretends regarding their classification... or... "ROLE", if you will, within the Grander context of the German nation.They are simply the GERMANS from the OUTER LANDS.And they are PERFECTLY CONTENT with that, FOR NOW, until EVENTUALLY they are ONE WHOLE with the Motherland -- Germany again.Nothing "submissive" about that -- it's just that, like in most families, there are OLDER siblings, and YOUNGER siblings. :PCASE CLOSED..( TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT COMMENT -- PART 2 TWO ).
>>533476467canada was part of France for like 200 years so we should give you back to them >t-thats different!!!
>>533476676.( CONTINUED FROM ABOVE )==========PART 2 TWO:=========="Укpaйнa" (Ukraina) in Russian LITERALLY means "border" -- "reach", "tail-end", "far-off", "end-land", "FRONTIER" etc. you get the idea.Sounds a bit "demeaning" to ukrainians that their country is named that, no?Well... Not exactly...Because "ukrainians" are (MOSTLY) ethnically, linguistically and historically (mostly) RUSSIAN, their natural COLLECTIVE National Aim, UNTIL RECENTLY, was to seek reunification with their Motherland one day.THUS, ukrainians, UNTIL RECENTLY were content with their "demeaning" name, because they didn't have any special pretenses or pretends regarding their classification... or... "ROLE", if you will, within the Grander context of the SOVIET ( really, RUSSIAN-led ) nation.IN FACT, they could only be THANKFUL for their position within the Russian Empire (and later, USSR), because Moscow had ALWAYS been VERY generous with its gifting of newer, and broader and broader territories to the ukrainian Province."ukrainians", aka "lower / outer RUSSIANS" were always treated lovingly by Moscow in a big-bro to lil' bro relationship !! :)...HOWEVER...However, once the USSR collapsed and Nationalism was on the rise again, the West saw the ukraine as a useful area through which it could work its anti-Russian geopolitical ambitions.THUS, ukrainian "Nationalism" was ARTIFICIALLY invented as a TOOL through which said Western aims could be worked and achieved.This culminated in the 2014 coup in Kiev and outright installation of a Western-appointed puppet in charge of the ukraine.Suddenly, the two countries, which had ALWAYS been ONE NATION, separated only by a river, were in (almost) full-scale conflict with each other.BUT...BUT... please DO NOTICE something interesting:.( TO BE CONTINUED IN NEXT COMMENT -- PART 3 THREE ).
I just hate hohols...
>>533476643Your butt buddy from /uhg/ called me ESL Ivan.
>>533476676>>533476713.( CONTINUED FROM ABOVE )=============PART 3 THREE:=============.BUT...BUT... please DO NOTICE something interesting:.The NEW "ukrainian" leadership made NO MOTIONS whatsoever towards RENAMING their newly-purposed "country".Technically, the recent ukrainian "ELITE" has been claiming full sovereignty and TOTAL DISASSOCIATION with its former Heartland of Moscow Russia.And, in fact, it has declared a BELLIGERENT POSITION towards it.BUT STILL,STILL, they MAINTAIN that "DEMEANING" name of "ukraina" ...... When, ostensibly, the VERY FIRST THING they would have done once assuming power, would have been to RE-NAME IT to something historically sensible and MORE _RESPECTABLE_ !!( such as, FOR EXAMPLE, Kiev, Cossackia, Zaporozh, Don, Volhynia, etc. -- which have ALL been lower-Russian INDEPENDENT states in PAST historical times ... )... ?!?! WHY ?!?!Well, because, you see, my friend, this new ukrainian "ELITE" is NOT REALLY "ukrainian" AT ALL !!It's in fact an ANGLO-13w15н creation, installed from outside, meant to DESTROY ukraine and the RUSSIANS who had been inhabiting it FOR CENTURIES.It has no regard for "ukrainians" (really, RUSSIANS).. . .... In fact, it would really only DESTROY them, so as to clear the way for a new geopolitical reshaping of that part of the world !!---*TL;DR:* IT'S ALL IN THE NAME :The new "ukrainian" "elite" OUTS ITSELF as ANTI-"ukrainian" (i.e. anti-RUSSIAN) BY MERE VIRTUE OF ITS _NOMINOLOGY_ !!This was was NEVER a Russia - "ukraine" war.It's a Russia - NATO (anglo-1ude1a war !!)The entity you *"THINK"* you are supporting ("the ukraine") is actually an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENTITY altogether, that in reality has NOTHING to do with "ukrainians"."Ukraine" , you say ??Heh... More like...JEW-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ia !!.
>>533476713>>533476751.( CONTINUED FROM ABOVE )============PART 4 FOUR:============.>from OP: 4 being an ANALOGY meant for historically illiterate AMERICAN consumers.IMAGINE the Admin Bureaucrats over at DC Capital, at the past moment in history when FLORIDA acceded to the Union for the FIRST time (early 1800s) , decided to name it something like... let's say... "LIMP DICK" ...( ... because, you know, that's KINDA what it looks like on the map... hehe ... :D )Well, NATURALLY, native Floridans would be VERY UNHAPPY about that and would want to reinstate a DIFFERENT name for their state, one that has more RESPECT and DIGNITY.THUS, they would IMMEDIATELY collectively organize to rename their State that they so love...... PROVIDED, of course, that they actually *DO* REALLY "love" and "care for" it, of course ......NOW,NOW, please do CONTRAST this with the ukrainian situation:..The NEW "ukrainian" leadership made NO MOTIONS whatsoever towards RENAMING their newly-purposed "country".Technically, the recent ukrainian "ELITE" has been claiming full sovereignty and TOTAL DISASSOCIATION with its former Heartland of Moscow Russia.And, in fact, it has declared a BELLIGERENT POSITION towards it.BUT STILL,STILL, they MAINTAIN that "DEMEANING" name of "ukraina" ...... When, ostensibly, the VERY FIRST THING they would have done once assuming power, would have been to RE-NAME IT to something historically sensible and MORE _RESPECTABLE_ !!... ?!?! WHY ?!?!Well, because, you see, my friend, this new ukrainian "ELITE" is NOT REALLY "ukrainian" AT ALL !!It's in fact an ANGLO-13w15н creation, installed from outside, meant to DESTROY ukraine and the RUSSIANS who had been inhabiting it FOR CENTURIES.It has no regard for "ukrainians" (really, RUSSIANS).. . ... In fact, it would really only DESTROY them, so as to clear the way for a new geopolitical reshaping of that part of the world !!---*TL;DR:* IT'S ALL IN THE NAME.\.
>>533475974>>533471452>Is the war a defensive oneMostly yeah, it seems that putlermort wanted a deal from the get-go and tried to scare the hohols away. Hohols turned out to be wahabi-level and started to fight, which the RuAF didn't expect - tells a lot about the pre-war plans. Now, since a loss is much costlier than carrying on, we fight and fight.>Is Russia winningSeems so. The hohols put up one hell of a fight, but they don't have AD anymore, they have to bussify all locals off the streets, they haven't retaken a city since khersonyiv in 2022 and haven't done an offensive in 2025. Seems like the attrition is catching up to them faster than to us.>What does victory look likeWhatever the bald manlet proclaims it to be officially, unofficially a proper victory is a neutral or pro-rus government in kweef first and foremost. A pleasant addition would be sanctions relief and a restoration of pre-war relations with yourop, but we all know that ain't happening>Is the war worth itOf course not. It cost the country billions of dollars cut from every corner, hundreds of thousands of lives and a shit ton of equipment, it completely alienated our former slavic brothers and stressed the economy immensely with the sanctions shock and shit, back in 22. It is also a pity that ukraine is now ash, that half of all hohols are gone now, either dead or emigrated, and that all diplomacy with the west is ruined. Putler worked hard to become a second saudi arabia, now that work is in pieces. The only way this might pay off is if the eu crashes and burns and its defectors decide to bind to us economically, which is unlikely ot happen
>>533476655>dont remember conscription giving a 1 year off Perhaps because different countries have different systems in place?>ignored the pointYou set up a completely stupid argument though.In any case, if the Ukrainians are really running out of manpower, scraping the bottom/conscripting women/elders/whoever then how the fuck haven't you retards beaten them yet?
>>533476744>Your butt buddy from /uhgSo you decided to seethe at me instead of him?Okay man
>>533471452The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and ZOG seems to really hate Russia. Therefore I love Russia, simple as.
>>533476247Russia is fine because the opposing side is also fairy tails. The reality is, the Ukrainian conflict weakened western military (due to it being money laundering and embezzling schemes more than it being an actual military) and willingness to participate in aggression to the point that even non-nuclear Iran without much reach is too tough for them to overcome in all out rage. West wasn't actually restraining itself in this conflict, there is simply nothing there. The shock and awe revolves around perception of western power, not actually having anything of the sort. Once the enemy fails to cease resisting and surrender, it can't do much. West can't ask China to produce their military for them after all like they do with everything else physical, so here is why.
>>533471452Russia shills are some of the stupidest people in the world. They'll say that Ukraine needs to be destroyed because it's run by Jews while shilling for a country with a Jewish prime minister and a Zionist president.
>>533471452Here's the thing chief, I don't support Russia. I just hate Ukraine. I know it's a difficult concept for smoothbrains to understand, but being against one side does not automatically mean you're in favor of the other. There's enough room to hate more than one country or to hate one and be indifferent to the other. I don't care if Russia wins or if they are winning, so long as Ukraine loses.
>>533476540>That's like 90% of all countriesNo it isn't, retard. >>533476690>canada was part of France for like 200 yearsThey pretty much abandoned their colonial interests in North America 300 years ago and Quebec has flirted with seperation for pretty much its entire history (including a referendum to leave as late as the 1990s where the final vote was 51-49).
>>533476110I don't want the opinion of a croaturd, the hohol of serbia
>>533476810>Hohols turned out to be wahabi-level and started to fight, which the RuAF didn't expect So they were retarded?>they don't have AD anymore,That surely meant the they pozzya BBC is freely flying over Ukraine right?>since khersonyiv in 2022 and haven't done an offensive in 2025Cope>unofficially a proper victory is a neutral or pro-rus government in kweef first and foremostNever happening>Of course not. It cost the country billions of dollars cut from every corner, hundreds of thousands of lives and a shit ton of equipment, it completely alienated our former slavic brothers and stressed the economy immensely with the sanctions shock and shit, back in 22.Shouldn't have started it then
>>533476751>"Bulgar" is widely believed to originate from the Proto-Turkic verb bulğa ("to mix," "shake," or "stir")>bulgaria literally derives from a gigamutted Turkic tribe so we should give Bulgaria to turkey Please point out the flow in my logic, little zigger. I think I'm making perfect sense here, so time to surrender
>>533471452You're assuming the average Russian knows even 20% of the truth about the war. Also, in fine Russian fashion, because the vast majority are paid volunteers they couldn't give two shits about the casualty numbers.
>ITT the whole /uhg/ cord tries to ma ke a totally organic threadWho the fuck do they think that they're fooling with this?
>>533476972>No it isn't, retard. Yes it is retart
>>533476180>The world needs counter-weights to the US. Russia is a valuable counter-weight.No it isn't. Russia projects the exact same Jewish race ideology as America, only at a lower intensity.
>>533476972So it is literally le "i-it's different!!"Thanks for playing kek
>the hohol of serbiaRemind yourself what the "Serbian" hohols did to the Serbs lol
>>533476890Sorry Ivan but that was all told to you because they know you're dumb enough to believe it. You are going to live in poverty for the rest of your life.
You can notice how majority of these replies are written by brown hands>>533471889>>533471452>>533473376>>533474514>>533476676
>>533474901Because it's shoved in our face by media Also personally it fucked up my travel plans
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>>533477057I understand why an idiot from the Balkans would want to believe that but it isn't true, lol. >>533477089It is different and I explained why. Maybe if your retarded government hadn't decided to become dependant on Russian energy, funneling them money they used to build up their military, you wouldn't have to worry about Putin so much, lol.
>>533477130I always like to ask the dudes who shriek that Russia is singlehandedly fighting NATO/the west how many western soldiers died so far
There exists no nation state today that I support. Maybe if the zoomer alpha gen Germans do something and the fourth reich comes back somehow in 2090.
>>533473996>Western societies are too bloodthirsty and deranged
>>533477155You're turkroach rapebaby lol
>>533477229>I-IT ISNT REEEcope lol
>>533477234Not even that. Where are all the NATO aircraft? Where is the navy? Putin freaked out when Trump said he may give them tomahawks lol. They have to tell themselves that because they see just how badly the war is going.
>>533473996>Most people simply understand that when west proclaims you the enemy of democracy, genocide comes next.God, i wish the west genocides Serbia then
>>533476813>Perhaps because different countries have different systems in place?What this has to do with anything? For a "losing" country i dont even have a fraction of my physical freedom stripped than the ones that are winning. >You set up a completely stupid argument though.It is a great argument because it highlights the flaw in your logic of hamburgering or whatever and it makes you trying to deflect from a manpower issue.>how the fuck haven't you retards beaten them yet?Drone warfare would be a go to reason for that. And our political elite being scared of doing something more than grinding people
I simply don't want to see France the UK and the US to do to Russia what they did to Germany.That does not mean I think Russia is a perfect country or that I support it unconditionally. Had they managed to take Kiev at the start of the war it would have saved the lives of thousands of people.Now even though it is quite sad what has happened to Ukraine, it was probably this or in 10 years have a civil war explode in Russia's own territory and it would have had no buffer states to defend themselves against NATO.I think the leading countries of NATO have had in the past a very hypocritical and sometimes even psychopathic attitude. They really do bend the rules to their own advantage and if you try doing the same they will step over your head.For example in the Malvina's war Britain attacked our vessel the ARA Belgrano, outside of the established conflict zone. If we had done something like that we would've become an international pariah, but since it's Britain they get away with it.Furthermore, it's obvious that the psychopaths heading countries like Britain don't even have their own citizen's interests in mind.
>>533475642>>533477330>>533473996It's so fucking funny reading every Russian post in threads like these that always go like>yeah this war is super unpopular, retarded, and will have basically no positive effect on anyone in my country>but we still fight in it because UUHHHHH...Russians are a race bred to be servile cattle fit only to be slaughtered as canon fodder in whatever war their masters inevitably start
>>533477349>EVERY COUNTRY IS A BALKANIZED SHIT HOLE LIKE MINE!!!Lol.
>>533477445>And our political elite being scared of doing something more than grinding peopleSo your stated reason for not winning is that your leadership is too stupid to do anything other than shove it's own people i to the slaughterhouse for I'll defined victory goals?
>>533477612>LIKE MINE!!!I don't know what country you're talking about
>>533477693Didn't read. I understand you're mad (22 PBTID) but I don't care.
>>533471452>question thread>1pbtid: deluxe editionleddit spacingslide thread
>>533477661>So your stated reason for not winningWe are winning tho. Just could ve been faster and less bloody
>>533477850>We are winning tho. Lol
>>533474901The enemies Russia is facing have a global presence, so in turn it draws in global attention. I personally don't like the Russian state that much, because it's obviously Chabbad infested, but if the people Russia is facing had their way it would probably mean the absolute subjugation of Russia and a total destruction of what is left of the Russian spirit, like how they, alongside Soviets btw, killed the German spirit post-WWII.
>>533475202They literally encircled Kiev in two weeks.You NAFO trannies appear to be even more jewish then the jews themselves.If the Ukra government had any sort of humanity and respect for the people of Ukraine they would have waved the white flag right there.But no.This is supposed to be a war of extermination of the Ukrainian people, by the Ukrainian government and allies themselves.For the Ukrainans are too white, too Christian and way too much Russian like.
>>533477909As others have said you are coping and are yet provide any arguments, only ragebait questions. Go cope, i wont bothering replying to (you)
>>533478023>For the Ukrainans are too white, too Christian and way too much Russian like.Russians can just leave and not kill those white Christians then
>>533475440Based Russia.Why would a fucking random Peruvian nigger eating bugs in the fucking Andes be afraid of Russia?
>>533477572Every war westerners start a meat grinder in= vicious consequences of capitalism and zionismEvery war easterners start a meat grinder in=based liberation of the oppressed (who openly despise us)Is this the result of 100 years of forced nationalism? Inbreeding? Alcoholism? How are BRICS so delusional? Where are the Russian anons with an above room temperature IQ, high enough to recognize they should fight against being a death cult, rather than for one.
>>533477130To believe what? Germany is restricting the young from leaving because they need mobilization potential in case, the US officially reports their stockpiles or precise munition and AD being wasted and require dozens of years to replenish. EU can't produce shit and rely on US that also can't produce shit. West can't actually win even a proxy war now, despite China involvement being pretty minimal. In fact, if China ever decides to participate in any conflict directly, especially with millions of their drones and robots now too, I suspect west will fold and pretty fast. You just don't know how to build stuff and do hard work, you only know how to print money and browse temu, that's your perception of physical reality and how things get done. You can't order military victory on temu.
>>533478133I think it's the same Peruvian who was fear-wanking about Hezbollah in Peru.Muslims are something like 0,005% of the Peruvian population lmao
>>533475440>Tsardom of Russia (1547-1721):>- Kazan Khanate - conquered in 1552>- Astrakhan Khanate - conquered in 1556>- Siberian Khanate - conquered in 1582-1598>- Crimean Khanate - vassalized, later annexed in 1783Why did you include these ones? It was one of the best things Russia ever did and they had it coming.
>>533477850>>533478065This war isn't going away any time soon. Are you just going to watch enough million Russians get annihilated and hope they don't call your name this summer?
>>533476639So what if its 10 million? As long as Russia keeps exporting essential commodities with no regard to US sanctions, it serves a key role in undermining US global tyranny, by doing what China can not do
>>533477460>I simply don't want to see France the UK and the US to do to Russia what they did to Germany.Extremely based take, Argiebro.I bet you're white.
>>533477460I must say though: Back in the 80s you fucking invaded British Territory. What the fuck were you expecting? From that moment everybody saw you as the bad guy.Particularly as the evil banana dictator who got too cocky and challenged someone much much stronger than him.
>>533478255Perhaps he just wants to be American...
>>533471452Victoria Nudleman and the US state department spent 5 billions to overthrow the Russian aligned government eventually resulting in a coup and the installation of a jewish run government that conducted a war of aggression against Russian majority regions that did not recognize the illegitimate puppet regime installed by the JewSA. OP is yet again a faggot and even worse a probably a jew.
I don't think Russia has enough motivated men let alone equipment to take over Ukraine after 5 years of this
>>533477033>"Bulgar" is widely believed to originate from the Proto-Turkic verb bulğa ("to mix," "shake," or "stir")WRONG.The word describing these concepts is actually "buRğa", with a R.What's your source? Genuinely sincere question...>Please point out the flow in my logic, little zigger. I think I'm making perfect sense here, so time to surrender"bul" is a variant of "bial / bel", which means WHITE.Alternatively, it came from "balkh", which means "eminent / prominent / pointy (i.e. for a HILL / protrudence)"as in "a BULGE" -- hehe !! :) Bulgarians have BIG DICKS that BULGE a lot, so that's why our name like that !! :Pwe BULGE-y !! :PP.S. that's also where BALKans name come from, as well as ancient "Balkhar", and *POSSIBLY* "Bactria" Indo-Aryan states in the Middle-Far East.(this is TOO ancient history, however, and should be considered with grain of salt...)P.P.S. OTHER cognates are the Slavic-based "BOL-" meaning A LOT / BIG, like in BOLshevik and VELIK (great).Also the Slavic "BLAG" which means "sweet / gentle" in the sense of having a PREDISPOSING demeanour. :P.
>>533475642As a vassal of your empire, Amerimutts are infinitely worse than Russkies. Proud circumcised goyim slaves that spread nigger culture and Jewish degeneracy and war around the world. Ivan ain’t wrong here.
>>533478505It was a closer fight than they would have you believe. But the military made two blunders:1)Didn't prepare for actual war: They expected the UK to back down,because the US leadership had gave them their support in private they thought they would intercede in their favour.2)Most of the military was stationed on the border with Chile: The tensions with Chile were at an all time high, and they expected the Chileans to be the main adversarial force in the region. Thus the army was mostly focused on the west, not the east.The Argentine military was more than capable to take on the challenge, at the time Argentina still had a pretty good military presence in the region, and it's the Argentina that was quite industrialised compared to the rest of the region. Many people don't know this but our nuclear program was quite advanced, and we even had a space program. In the 60s for example we sent a monkey to space, launching our own rocket from our own country, and managed to retrieve it alive.The military junta was a turning point in our country regarding many things including production, the role of the military, and mode of social organisation.
>>533474522>steal jewish refugees from israel>zog
>>533477155>You can notice how majority of these replies are written by brown handsplease do answer my question(s):>>533476713>>533476751>BUT... please DO NOTICE something interesting:>The NEW "ukrainian" leadership made NO MOTIONS whatsoever towards RENAMING their newly-purposed "country".>Technically, the recent ukrainian "ELITE" has been claiming full sovereignty and TOTAL DISASSOCIATION with its former Heartland of Moscow Russia.>And, in fact, it has declared a BELLIGERENT POSITION towards it.>BUT STILL,>STILL, they MAINTAIN that "DEMEANING" name of "ukraina" ......>... When, ostensibly, the VERY FIRST THING they would have done once assuming power, would have been to RE-NAME IT to something historically sensible and MORE _RESPECTABLE_ !!>( such as, FOR EXAMPLE, Kiev, Cossackia, Zaporozh, Don, Volhynia, etc. -- which have ALL been lower-Russian INDEPENDENT states in PAST historical times ... )>... ?!?! WHY ?!?!...>Well, because, you see, my friend, this new ukrainian "ELITE" is not AT ALL really "UKRAINIAN" !!>It's in fact an ANGLO-13w15н creation, installed from outside, meant to DESTROY ukraine and the RUSSIANS who had been inhabiting it FOR CENTURIES.>It has no regard for "ukrainians" (really, RUSSIANS).. . .>... In fact, it would really only DESTROY them, so as to clear the way for a new geopolitical reshaping of that part of the world !!...>*TL;DR:* IT'S ALL IN THE NAME :>The new "ukrainian" "elite" OUTS ITSELF as ANTI-"ukrainian" (i.e. anti-RUSSIAN) BY MERE VIRTUE OF ITS _NOMINOLOGY_ !!>This was was NEVER a Russia - "ukraine" war.>It's a Russia - NATO (anglo-1ude1a war !!)>The entity you *"THINK"* you are supporting ("THE ukraine") is actually an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENTITY altogether, that in reality has NOTHING to do with " " UKRAINIANS " "...."Ukraine" , you say ??Heh... More like...JEW-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ia !!.**TL;DR:** If you, HOHOLS, want to be taken SERIOUSLY in your new "statehood"......
>>533471452datamining thread
>>533479071>"Ukraine" , you say ??>Heh... More like...>JEW-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ia !!.>**TL;DR:** If you, HOHOLS, want to be taken SERIOUSLY in your new "statehood".........you should CHANGE YOUR "COUNTRY'S" NAME.CHANGE.THE.NAME.... to something that more adequately represents your association with culture, ethnics, and historico-political affiliations..EASY..
>>533479134Your posts deserves a bit more attention but samefagging is a bad look. Learn to be more concise and sharp with the points you make.
>>533478577Literally everything you wrote is wrong
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support RussiaCause Europe doesn't like 'em and Europe is gay.Simple as.
>>533471452It's not so much that I support Putin as much as I despise the Western hypocrisy.West, led by Judeo America, has been the force of evil since WW2 while larping as the good guys.Russia (and China even moreso) have been far more legalistic and far less murderous than the West and it has become blatantly obvious since 2022 or even 2014.I'm also annoyed by American cattle that says "at least Bush knew how to lie to us".
>>533478896>Argentina was white!Truly anon, I know.But I think you are coping.You never had an army (or a population, or an industrial base) to rival Britain. You expected to take over the Falklands and Britain to do nothing about it. That was fucking retarded.You were lucky they didn't invade Patagonia or destroy Buenos Aires.I would have if I was Thatcher.You also failed on your rivalry with Brazil.Although they win mostly because of numbers you're only still better off than them because of how unbelievably dysgenic and stupid they are.I doubt the average white Argentinean has a better life than the average white Brazilian, by the way.
>>533471452I despise the ZOG meddling in eastern europe, also zelensky is a jew. I don't particularly care about Russia or Ukraine. Ukraine is basically little russian anyway. People pretending they're different are completely delusional, especially the poles and baltic people.It wasn't about defence, but influence. Of course Russia doesn't want a NATO Ukraine. The thing to understand is that war is a last resort when diplomacy fails. Putin was always considered a rational individual until the recent propaganda. A rational Putin thus resorted to war because the other side refused to settle the issue diplomatically. This was clear with how the Minsk agreements went. This should be more than obvious with how the USA has treated diplomacy in regards to Iran; deciding to attack when negotiations were supposed to be held.It's clear that Jews view war differently, they view it as a first resort because they have no interest in a diplomatic resolution that results in a compromise. Maybe it's their predisposition to schizophrenia, maybe it's their religion, who knows.
>>533478729>"bul" is a variant of "bial / bel", which means WHITE.Why would you bear thatname thoBulgar comes from Burglar
>>533478729Bulgar / Bolgar derives from Turkic.It's pretty well defined and settled, anon. The Bolgars were a Turkic people and you still can find their remains in the Volga.
>>533471452I understand the main parts, which I think is a very rare sight on the internet due to complexity of all the situationcomplex as in you need to know some world wars' history and especially follow the events since late 80s, what the West was doing after USSR's demisewhich explains the logic not only for the conflict in Ukraine, but for all those wars and regime changes in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Yugoslavia, even 9/11 and Covid>Why do you support the war?>Do you believe it was necessary for defense?it is West's (primarily anglosaxons' - US and UK) proxy war, with many elements of direct one (the details behind the destruction of Nord Streams alone is enough of a proof)for which West was preparing Ukrainian army and elites since Western-sponsored coup in 2014this conflict was made not only inevitable for Russia, but also existentialby controlled the Kiev puppet regime, the US had the ability to choose the week of Russia's invasion>Do you simply want the land or do you think it would be strategically necessary to hold it?we want you to fuck off from our historical landsCrimea alone was part of Russia until just 30 years ago for longer than US' existenceand you wanted to kick Russia's Black Sea fleet out of there and for it to host NATO ships?a bit arrogant, don't you think?>Is there a more complicated reason?the reason is, history is repeating itself: once again Britain with the help of its big brother are using other people's countries and territories in order to deal with their main geopolitical rival
>>533477572>Russians are a race bred to be servile cattle fit only to be slaughtered as canon fodder in whatever war their masters inevitably startLiterally Croatian history
>>533472573your country is fighting for israel RIGHT NOW
>>533479543It's their religion fueled by their predisposition to schizophrenia.Duh!How new are you?
>>533479543>I don't particularly care about America or Canada. Canada is basically little America anyway. People pretending they're different are completely delusional.
>>533473704>>533474067>>533474404>This is the issue with you kikes.>The moment someone legitimately wants to discuss what could have been the cause, you guys derail and mock.uh... leaf bro...I actually think Argentino was AGREEING with you, NOT "ironically".
Russian ideology is normalNo lgbt gay shitOnly retards/gays/niggers/trannies/jews support ukraine
>>533471452>>Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you?just take a look at busification.orgnot enough for you?even the collective West (50 countries), let alone Ukraine can defeat Russia in a military conflict due to Russia's extensive arsenal of nukes and delivery means, which Russia will use under certain circumstancesin a large conflict with the West, everybody would just dieUkraine never had a chance to begin with and Russia was never losingso "currently" doesn't applyRussia has significantly larger population, its own MIC and resources, huge territory, resilient and independent (in key security areas) economyhas open borders, with people signing up for contract dutywhile Ukraine utterly relies on West in every field except territory and peopleit closed borders for adult males since day 1 (not such thing in Russia)is grabbing people from streets by tens of thousands every month to fill up holeswhenever there is an exchange of bodies, the ratio is 1000 to 40 every timebut it isn't Ukraine that Russia is up against
>>533471452I support an immediate ceasefire with Russia retaining annexed territories and Ukraine retaining the territories they still control. I want Ukraine to join the EU and NATO immediately after so that they don't get attacked again. I want Zelensky deposed by Azov.
>>533471452It all comes down to whether you consider NATO military alliance expansion around Russia to be an act of aggression or not.Sane people don't support war no matter what. But they also don't support Ukraine entering NATO.There's clearly a geopolitical conflict of interests. And both sides acted in ill faith.Just because Ukraine didn't move military into Russian territory don't mean it's not becoming a geopolitical threat.USA in the mean time making it known that every country not "in" is just a placeholder for a resource stockpile.In the light of the above, has anyone really expected Russia to act any other way?Do I support war? No. But if I was Russia, I wouldn't allow Ukraine build nukes for an opposing military alliance right next to my face, either.I'm afraid the war is not over, and it won't be de facto over for a very long time.
>>533479631>Bulgar / Bolgar derives from Turkic.Like I asked the Kraut bro, I ask YOU too:Give a SOURCE for your etymological claims.We Bulgarians don't deny that we potentially have SOME proto-Turkic admixture in our origins, BUT:BUT:1) It's just THAT -- a miniature AD-mixture.2) There is no TURKIC etymology in our ethnonym. Like... Seriously ?! >>533479111First of all: ch0cked the g0t !!Congratz! :)>datamining thread... How so ??And the daily /uhg/ or /chug/ are NOT "datamining" ? ~_~or... pretty much ANY OTHER *DAILY* pol thread ?? :O...
>>533471452I lean towards Russia because Russia is aligned with China, Iran, Palestine and Yemen against the USA and by extension Israel. I do consider Russia the aggressor in the war and I oppose a lot of Putin's domestic policies with regards to race, censorship and immigration.
>>533471452>Explain what winning looks like and why you think that it’s currently the realityUkraine is not even Russia's end goalRussia wants long-term security at its bordersfor the likes of CIA and all Western bases in Eastern Europe, let alone Ukraine, to fuck off back to 1997 bordersrights of Russians in Baltics, respected, etc.but the problem is Ukraine has proven that it cannot exist as an independent country without being turned into anti-Russia by the Westand the longer this goes on, the more territories will be reunited with Russia eventually, and Ukraine's existence as independent country is put into questionthere is a limit how much Russia will endure of this proxy war and will strike European countries that are fueling the warand what worries me is one thing: that Russia has not enough nukes to level every single US city and villages, but only all the relevant ones
>>533480246Etymology and originSince the work of Tomaschek (1873), it is generally said to be derived from Proto-Turkic root *bulga- ("to stir", "to mix"; "to become mixed"), which with the consonant suffix -r implies a noun meaning "mixed".Source wikipedia
>>533471452>Why do you support the war?Because the CIA engineered a civil war in Donbass where ethnic Russians were being slaughtered by Ukrainian neo-Nazis.Someone had to defend them.Zelensky himself tried to stop that civil war - after winning the elections on a pro-peace platform - and changed his mind as soon as the CIA-backed Nazis threatened his life.Russia's military intervention was the only way to stop the Amerishart empire and I think it should have been done sooner.
>>533480935>>Because the CIA engineered a civil war in Donbass where ethnic Russians were being slaughteredMay we see them?>>by Ukrainian neo-Nazis.Oh, you're a kike. Opinion discarded.
>>533471452>What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?In Ukraine: denazification and demilitarization, neutrality, rights of Russians and church restored, etc.but Russia wants security at its borderswhich Russia will have to solve one way or anotherthere will be more after Ukraineyou see, Russia/USSR was promised that NATO won't expand an inch East if it let Germany reunitethe promises were brokenWestern bases close to Russia is a long-term security threat, which Iran has provenimagine hypersonic and future weapons just 100 km away from Russia'a second largest city and 500km away from Moscowat some point West would be tempted to do a lightning strike against Russia's leadership, akin to what they did in Iransuch close proximity would give Russia no reaction time for a decisionthat is why it is imperative for Russia that the Western military infrastructure in Europe would fuck off back to 1997 borders
>>533480237>USA in the mean time making it known that every country not "in" is just a placeholder for a resource stockpile.In which way do you mean that? Cause I see various interpretations of "placeholder for a resource stockpile" I suppose you envision something like:A mere staging ground to be used for potential military AND / OR logistics operations against Russia + Allies.>I'm afraid the war is not over, and it won't be de facto over for a very long time.eh...The ONLY reason the war is "NOT over" is because there are still ukrainians ( i.e. Jew-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ians ) that are left alive and breathing...... when the West wishes to see them as participants to the mass BLOOD SACRIFICE against Russians.Otherwise, I don't really get what you mean ? This rus bro said it very well and precise : >>533480207>Ukraine never had a chance to begin with and Russia was never losing>so "currently" doesn't apply>Russia has significantly larger population, its own MIC and resources, huge territory, resilient and independent (in key security areas) economythe Jew-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ia has already lost, A LONG TIME AGO, but the bloodbath continues because they are secretly preparing Nukes. ( under the guidance of French and British advisors and experts.)They hope for and rely *ON THAT* to come SOON (..-ish) and swing the tide in their favor.It's kinda USELESS though, because it's SO OBVIOUS, and everyone is aware of it, not least of all Russia itself who knows the precise coordinates of the Nuke-Silo development sites......and even the names, addresses, etc. FULL DOX, and EVEN personality traits of the Foreign experts that cooperate with Jew-krai-NA(to)ZYst-ia..
>>533481036>May we see them?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas>Oh, you're a kike.Oy, vey...Now do me a favour and denounce the Talmud, Strull.
>>533481306>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_DonbasYes, according to your own link, Girkin and a bunch of glowniggers entered the Donbas before your only real cope: "muh trade union building" and such. Good job, kike.>Now do me a favourSure: I denounce the talmud and the quran and whatever other kike copes that you'll use.Now, blow your subhuman kike brains out.
>>533471452>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcome?like I said, there is a limit how much of this proxy war Russia will endureRussia was already pushed into a corner with these massive NATO expansion waves and coups in the likes of Ukraine and will not back downwhen Russia's patience runs out, it will strike something in Europe that is feeding this conflictthat is why "Trump" wants to fuck off from NATO, btwUS wants another big war in Europe without their involvement until the very end
>>533477460Yeah, I think back to some russian documentary I watched years ago that was made shortly after the fall of the soviet union, about how the common russian man quietly expected a kind of Marshal plan like the germans got after WW2. Instead what they got was western finance looting absolutely everything and taking advantage of everyone they could in any way they pleased with nothing said common russian man could do about any of it. Little work for even less pay with almost no food available for purchase, quality of life collapsing, children dying of starvation and girls as young as 10 prostituting themselves, the kind of suffering that is simply unimaginable in the west.This seriously disillusioned many russians about the west as a whole, and putin made good use of that widespread sentiment when he came to power in 2000 and ever since. For western politicians, the cold war never ended, they never took their foot off the pedal and now ukraine is bleeding and burning because of it, despite not really having any skin in this game. Fucking wish all these rah-rah washington warhawks got vanned and dumped in the frontline trenches instead of average ukrainian boys.
>>533471452No justification.
>Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you? Explain what winning looks like and why you think that it’s currently the realityYes. Winning looks like taking more and more land under the control of the Russian armed forces.>What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?The official recognition by the USA and China of Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Odessa and Kharkov as Russian. The consent of the others, including Kiev's regime, is not required, they're weak cucks.>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcome?Yes.
>>533480500...except that this is JUST *ONE* theory of the name's origin, and, CLEARLY, the least-probable one.DUH. -_-Why can it not instead be from "byel / byal / bel", meaning WHITE ?Or "bal- / bul-" meaning "sticking out / eminent / prominent" ? Someone got a problem with those?? :Plol...>>533479277>Learn to be more concise and sharp with the points you make.I'm being exhaustive for the sake of objectivity and thoroughness. Gotta follow the ENTIRE LOGIC THREAD through.This "war" does not have "grey areas", it's entirely BLACK & WHITE for me.And NOT because I "support" Russia.But because I can LOGICALLY, CALMLY, reasonably and consistently explain why THEIR side is RIGHT, and the OTHER side is WRONG. :P:)>samefagging is a bad look.I don't think you even know what "samefagging" is.It's been all me under one ID in this thread.And I *REALLY _AM_* Bulgarian, as my REAL flag displays. :P.
>>533471452There's other reasons besides this but the main one is that it's Jewish to fight a hopeless war against other whites that are 99% the same as you when you know the end result is going to be you being a legless cripple in the cuck wheelchair while indians and Somalians are imported to fuck your women.Miss me with that shit if I was Ukranian I'd just end it with the draft officer.It's a made up identity anyways same as Canada more or less if anything Russia is more developed and less backwards (but not by much) we just dangle a carrot in front of their dumbfounded faces of maybe helping them westernize someday but there's a far greater chance of them ever living like that if they simply flee the draft in their country by going to the west then there is of that actually happening inside Ukraine they'd have to be sub 90iq to be tricked into believing otherwise. Not only that but the mental image they have of what westernized life is like is outdated by a solid 30 years at least.
Vata reaction.
>>533481422>Now, blow your subhuman kike brains out.No, that would be cultural appropriation.Only Amerisharts do that, so go ahead Bubba!
>>533481494>and coups in the likes of Ukraine and will not back downCan a subhuman like you explain how a "coup" happened when the opposition named in the "Nuland phone call" were offered positions by Yanukovych himself, more than a month before said phone call? Instead the opposition simply called for new elections.Why did Yanukovych flee the country again? Is it because his security forces shot protestors and he was ultimately responsible for this?Maybe you'll come up with another subhuman cope like, "I'm a kike and gun stores were robbed so therefore it was justified and things not going my way is a coup."Same shit different day from you fucking retards. Why don't you just go back to dvach?
>>533481720>Only Amerisharts do that, so go ahead Bubba!What cope is this?Not an argument, kike. I accept your concession though.
>>533481740>the opposition named in the "Nuland phone call" were offered positions by Yanukovych himselfWhat convoluted talking point is that, Bubba?Nuland, a New York intellectual like yourself, decided which puppets go where, in the new Ukrainian government.It was a complete Amerishart takeover of that godforsaken country, and now 1.5 million Ukrainian men are dead.May their blood drown you and your family for the next generations - seven times seven, Strull.
>>5334714521) Ukraine was implementing policies designed to ethnically cleanse its Russian population by denying them fundamental rights (i.e. to educate their 2) Ukraine repeatedly shelled areas in the Donbas region 3) The final straw for Russia was when Zelenskyy openly talked about how Ukraine should leverage its nuclear reactors to produce nuclear weapons. That corrupt little state becoming a nuclear power was a redline so bright it could be seen from other star systems#3 alone is enough to justify the conflict, #1 and #2 provide justification for annexation. Russia will complete its major objectives this year, including a direct strike on European factories that are engaging in acts of war
>>533481740Everyone agrees ukraine had a coup in 2014 you disinfo piece of shit.The only debate is what kind of coup.Since they were trying to kill the fleeing president I would call it a hard coup.Bitch boy
>>533471452>Explain what winning looks liketop kek you don't know what winning is?>What does final victory look like?victory, m8, just victory, check it out what it means>do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcomeHow do I know the costs, I don't pay shit for that
>>533481929>What convoluted talking point is that, Bubba?It's not convoluted at all. Subhuman kikes like you pretend that the US government sat down and selected successors in that phone call.In reality, it's just diplomats saying who'd they would play ball with. It's pretty simple.>decided which puppets go where, in the new Ukrainian government.Case in point.How did the US government decide this when Yanukovych himself offered to bring these people into power lest he lose his power from the electorate due to him sucking Russian dick?>>533481998So can you explain why Yanukovych offered the opposition named in the phone call high level positions in his cabinet a full month before the US supposedly selected these people?I know, you're a subhuman asiatic, you'll just deflect like the last retarded five years of your retards bullshit.
Russia is a great imperial nation with a mission and sense of destiny that are truly global in scope, even cosmic. The Ukraine of Nuland and Zelensky is petty, sordid and spiteful, and deserves to fall.
>>533482163>you'll just deflectYou need updated talking points, zogbot.Then you need to grow a pair and pull a snowden.
>>533482163You are a dishonest tranny faggot shill with way too much jewish propaganda to back up your retarded premises.And you faggot nazi larpers dont get to decide who is human.Genocidal kike
>>533475642Russians don't do well in wars of aggression they gained as much influence and power as they had in the cold war as a result of a defensive war which they won. They have engaged in them of course Finland Afghanistan arguably Ukraine but each has caused significant conundrums by this point surely they're aware that it's best for them not to resort to such actions and I think generally you can see that in modern history they don't have the capability of venturing around the world toppling foreign regime's they don't like and know they'll never get such a capability.
>>533482295Not an argument. Sorry that you were born a rat faced inbred subhuman.>>533482371>And you faggot nazi larpers dont get to decide who is human.I do. You're brown, therefore you are not human.>Genocidal kikeTo the contrary, both shitskins like you and kikes go into the ovens.
>>533482478I don't think in 10 year most of people will know what is Ukraine
>>533471889>Ukriane is ran by Jews intent on killing whites so I’m going to save them by launching cruise missiles into residential buildings, invading, murdering and raping their population until they do what I want because I care so much
>>533471452It’s better than Ukraine on every metric and Ukraine’s defeat would harm the (((CIA))), (((mainstream media))), and American (((think tanks)))
>>533482703Russia also represents the last place Europeans could flee to in order to escape migrants, so of course it’s hated by our ruling class
>>533482700not my problem, you are an independent country, figure out yourself what to do
>>533482700But enough about Kursk
>>533482766>Russia also represents the last place Europeans could flee to in order to escape migrants, so of course it’s hated by our ruling classIs that why Russia is importing poojeets and telling those Europeans that they need to volunteer for the meat grinder because they have no more working hours for them?
>>533481740hey piggy, dozens of European and Western diplomats and politicians were in the center of Kiev talking to the protesters, even on stageit is intervention in the country's internal matters and is a direct violation of international lawimagine Russia's or Chinese diplomats doing that on Jan 6, 2021 in the US at the capital?or anywhere else in Europe where there are protestscan't?yet this is prefect normal when it comes to the likes of Ukraine and Georgiathen there are these facts:1. unknown snipers shooting at both sides, which is a classic example of a colorful revolution and provocationwhere West then accuses the government of shooting at protesters, despite the fact that dozens of police were shot and killed by gunfirethere is not only a leaked call between EU officials saying that the medic said that the police and protesters deaths have the same pattern, but a fucking academic paper that comes with extensive video evidence proving the existence of unknown, third party snipers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2658245https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flztD56UcYk2. Yanukovich signed a deal with opposition, that had German, French, Polish signatureswhere he agreed to hold elections by the end of the yearnext day Yanukovich says from Kharkov that coup happened and he does not intend to fleethere was no any kind of impeachment procedure, while Europe instantly recognized the interim government and forgot about that deal and their signatures
>>533471452I'm "pro-Russian" because Ukraine has no path to victory and every single discussion with a pro-Ukrainian person or subhuman (/uhg/) leads to a shitpost circle or a regressive argument where they deny that Ukraine has zero path or plan to take back Crimea, usually by deflecting to Russia. That's it. Also I'd like to not see my Ukrainian friends get drafted and sent to die for some Jew's ego. Russia didn't win everything but they obviously own what they currently have. Pre-war justifications have long since stopped mattering.
>>533474514Which is?
>>533482859>>hey piggy, dozens of European and Western diplomats and politicians were in the center of Kiev talking to the protesters, even on stageThat has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you use the nuland phone call as evidence for the US government selecting those people for "muh coup."It doesn't even make sense due to new elections in the first place. You're retarded.>imagine Russia's or Chinese diplomats doing that on Jan 6, 2021 in the US at the capital?Why not? I wouldn't be opposed.>it is intervention in the country's internal matters and is a direct violation of international lawlmao, yes, talking to protestors and buying them cookies is a war crime.But let's humor your asiatic bullshit: Shoigu commissioned the medals celebrating the annexation of Crimea 3+ months before any of this happened. The snipers were Russian trained, and also fled to Russia.Your copes are nothing more than copes. You can keep calling it a coup, it makes no difference to the fact that you invaded the Donbas with glowniggers, annexed territory, and were funding separatists in Ukraine as early as 2005 while the ink was still drying on your latest treaty recognizing Ukrainian land as theirs.You are nothing more than subhumans.
nigguh that's a lot of questions i ain't answering them for freeask your representative to stop the war
I think this is a botIts like every talking point ever
>>533483406I think you're a shitskinned subhuman.Prove me wrong.
>>533479353do you think that ukraine is going to win?
>>533483428If somebody told me 40 years ago when I first dialed up my internet that one day I would be argueing with a jewish nazi bot I would have said they were crazy.
>>533483583I'm White though. Maybe it's time for you to go back and shit on your own streets.If you're confused, being the brown subhuman that you are, I'll give you a hint: jews aren't White.
>>533483124I did not even bring up the Nuland call ever hereyou are the one that brought it upand why are you even discussing it?I clearly stated what I use as evidence that the coup took place>The snipers were Russian trained, and also fled to Russia.even ignoring the fact that the academic paper made a professor of Western Ukraine origin and from a Canadian university, which used and compiled extensive video evidence to make the conclusion in pic related, what are the other facts?protests are starting to die down after 3 monthsand suddenly at such time we get 50+ dead within 3 days, dozens of people died by the same snipers from BOTH sides, dumbassincluding the policenow explain us, Mr. piggy, why would Russian even hypothetically have its snipers kill both sides at such time within 3 days?piggy, you have no power here
>>533483844>>I did not even bring up the Nuland call ever hereThis isn't dvach. You don't get to vomit out a bunch of retarded unrelated points when the cope that's spammed throughout this thread is "muh nuland cookies.">which used and compiled extensive video evidence>Ivan KatchanovskiNot even close. Katchanovski only asserts that it was "categorically concludeed ... that ... persons with weapons ... were in the premises of Hotel Ukraina." How does he conclude this? By citing his own "book", a non-peer reviewed clusterfuck of bullshit shit out by a typical academic getting paid to do so.You're free to point to the "Western Ukranian" court decision "categorically" reaching that conclusion though. You will not be able to find it. Because it does not exist.
>>533476610>>533482857>>533481693we need to work to pay back the trade deficit. no oil rigs here, unfortunately.>russian womenyeah. some people fawn but not really the core objective of this thing. if russians could only get whatever they wanted manufactured from here or ... pardon our debt ... yk then there would be no need for us to migrate.
>>533484192>>533483844Also for anyone who actually gives a fuck and just isn't hanging off of the words from some asiatic subhuman, basically the deal with this guy (Katchanovski) is that he's a rambling Canadian paid to put out this bullshit who ignores that the court decision he himself cites, Sviatoshyn District Court, convicted three former Berkut riot-police officers in absentia. But nowhere in the court decision is it concluded that "persons with weapons ... were in the premises of Hotel Ukraina."/chug/ (the resident loli porn thread on /pol/) on this board likes to bring this guy up because it confounds people who don't have the time to look into a tome of bullshit. It's really sad, to be honest. You retarded faggots are so predictable. Five years of the same bullshit, over and over.You rely on people not actually looking into your subhuman wall of texts and just spamming the same bullshit over and over.
>>533479700>your country is fighting for israel RIGHT NOWWhat does that have to do with me personally, let alone my point? Even if I were Trump or some other government official who makes these decisions your point would just by a whataboutism at best. But it isn't even that, because I have no control over the dickriding of Israel that my government does. I certainly don't support it.
>>533484192piggy, just answer a simple question:why Russian snipers after 3 months of protests, at the time when maidan was dying out, started to randomly shoot and kill police officers and protesters (over 50 people in 3 days)?explain us the logic
russia and ukraine are both run by jewsthe only ones winning that war are jews
>>533473996realest shit i ever read on this board. respect.
>>533484793>he can't find itLOL!Yes, because it doesn't exist you fucking subhuman asiatic.>why Russian snipers after 3 months of protests,No one said they were Russian. They fled to Russia though. They were Russian trained.No one denies that Berkut fired upon protestors other than you fucking retarded mongoloid mutts.But, slowly yet surely, you will retreat to some bullshit like "gun stores were robbed" and "they feared for their life" therefore they were justified firing upon those protestors.Stop wasting my time and just go back to dvach you fucking subhuman snownigger. You will never be a human being. Go copypasta some bullshit in your loli porn thread.
>>533483124>it makes no difference to the fact that you invaded the Donbas with glowniggers, annexed territory, and were funding separatists in Ukraine as early as 2005piggy, the so-called Ukraine was part of Russia just 30 years agoCrimea was part of Russia for longer than US existedquite hypocritical to even discuss this subject using that flag/VPN at allafter Crimea, Donbas has the largest ethnic Russian population: at that time it had 50% ethnic Russians, and where "Ukrainians" are also native Russian-speakersRussia didn't need to fund anyone there, dumbassmost of them are basically Russians thereand they didn't like the fact that in 10 years, the president they voted for of their origin was kicked out and the country's constitution broken twiceit wasn't Russia funding anyone in 2005it was the first Western coup, that put a president who had American wifeand who already in 2006, as a good puppet, said that Ukraine will join NATO, despite less than a third of Ukrainians supporting it
>>533485162>quite hypocriticalNo, it's not hypocritical at all.Here's an explanation: you are not White. You are a subhuman asiatic.>it wasn't Russia funding anyone in 2005In fact, it was. The president's office gave out grants to Dugin's asiatic commie bullshit.Said asiatic commie bullshit is seen here, funding the first attempt at a referendum in Ukraine.I know what you are. Get back to your asiatic shithole of an imageboard, you mentally ill subhuman.
>>533485065>No one said they were Russian. They fled to Russia though. They were Russian trained.it doesn't matter how you call them, moron:why did they shoot and kill the police?
>>533471452I dont support russian annexation of Ukraine, and I dont support the fall of the Ukrainian government, but I believe there is some validity to the russian cause.This war did not start in 2022, it started in 2014I was here following the threads 12 years ago during euromaidan.It was a western backed overthrow of the legitimate Ukrainian government.The Ukrainian oblasts voted whether or not to recognize the new government, and donetsk and luhansk voted no.Then they voted to secede from Ukraine. The new government responded by declaring them rebels and terrorists and sent troops to kill them all and conquer those regions by force.They spent 8 years shelling civillian centers.That happened, I was here, I remember it.So I support the Russians throwing the Ukrainians fully out of donetsk and luhansk.Those provinces voted for independence and Ukraine has no right to occupy them by force.I oppose russian annexation of the other eastern oblasts, with the exception of Crimea, which never should have been given to Ukraine in the first place, as it was never theirs historically.
>>533471452I had enough of the whiny nafotroons and I hope each and every one them them gets ACKed.
>>533485517>why did they shoot and kill the police?What are you even talking about, you retarded subhuman?Let me remind you: we were talking about what kicked off the massive waves of protests that made Yanukovych flee the country, which you call a coup, a response to Berkut snipers shooting unarmed dozens of protestors ina single day in the middle of the street. There's 10+ uninterrupted minutes of video of them doing so.You posted a retarded screencap citing a Canadian professor who states that a Ukrainian court found that there were snipers, who were not Berkut, in the Hotel Ukraina firing upon them. When, in fact, there were not. No court ever concluded such a thing. It did not happen. You just claimed it, in this post >>533483844 that the murdering of dozens of protestors that kicked off the massive retaliation response was a false flag operation.Let me predict the future: you'll reply with some more deflection and retarded mongoloid mutt bullshit.You lost the argument. You are a subhuman. Kill yourself, you fucking retard, for wasting my time.
>>533471452Russia is illiberal. Their success could translate into success for anti-liberal political forces in western countries, which would enable them to seize power and embark on a genocide of faggots, nons, and other trash.
>>533485971And the US is liberal, lol
>>533486068Yeah, that's my point.
>>533485971>Russia is illiberal.I'm guessing that's why they're importing niggers, poojeets, and central asians by the millions, and their Army commanders are getting caught doing gay shit on camera. It's actually very trad and based to meet up with other men to fuck them in the ass, after all.
>>533471452>Some follow-up questions:>>Do you believe Russia is currently “winning” the war, whatever that may mean to you? Explain what winning looks like and why you think that it’s currently the realityRussia is objectively winning the war as they are the side gaining territory.It will likely prove a pyhrric victory, but thats still a victory>>What does final victory look like? What is the lowest acceptable standard that must be met to declare victory in comparison to your ideal scenario?I described this in my previous post, but I believe ultimate victory would be independence for donetsk and luhansk.I dont think there is any scenario where that happens though.I admit I have no actual stake in the conflict.I think the minimum the Russians will need to save face will be some territorial concessions and a ban on Ukrainian soil.Ukraine will probably never accept either, so this war will probably continue for a long time.For us as america thats good because it means Russia is functionally incapacitated globally.We have proved that over the last several months.>>Based in how the war has gone so far, do you think the cost is worth the eventual anticipated outcome?
All of these replies are brown aswellLiterally indian-tier>>533477219>>533477338>>533479071
>>533486269Russia is remarkably homogenous by western standards. IDGAF about flashy headlines by disingenuous redditors when actual demographic data exists. Your false equivalence shit won't work on me.
>>533471452Go back faggot
>>533477330WHY THE FUCK DID HE DO THAT??????
>>533486301And no, I dont think this fight was worth the millions of lives it has cost, but thats war.The whole reason this happened was because Obama didn't like putin because russia isnt pro LGBT and Obama was an ideological zealot.So to punish the Russians he started a series of coups in russian client states
>>533486429retard
>>533486497Die you worthless niggerloving homo.
>>533486429>about flashy headlines by disingenuous redditors when actual demographic data exists>MUH ROSSTAT DATAYou realize even a nigger can call himself Russian, right?
>>533476690Is Canada demanding nukes for the explicit purpose of blowing up Paris? Is Canada one of the most corrupt countries on Earth? Is Canada joining a military alliance that exists solely to contain France, while also sitting on a border with France at one of the closest points of invasion into Paris? Did Canada just have its democratically elected government overthrown in a coups that was backed by anti-French intelligence agencies, only to then have their new government immediately shift policy from neutrality to anti-French belligerence?The real question OP should be asking is why isn't he on the front lines? Same with this clown >>533476540
>>533471452there are a billion legitimate, well thought arguments for why you must tongue my anus
>>533471452Anything that weakens globohomo NATO is a good thing. TKD THD total Russian victory.
listen, uh................. I'm just not gonna support ZOGkraine
>>533471452I don't support war, I want peace. Donbas and crimea both voted to join russia and were denied, Ukraine shelled donbas for 8 years. Just stop fighting, Russia already got what they wanted but Z is determined to kill tens of thousands more slavs on both sides.I have believed Russia will win the war since the first day and I still do. It's just a question of how many young men are going to die for nothing. Russia wants all of Donbas and probably the eastern bank of the Dniepr up to what they currently control.The cost on the surface has not been worth the outcome unless the natural resources in those lands end up being more important. Given Russia is resource rich and population poor I think it is almost certainly not worth it but it has allowed them to modernize their military.
>>533486651>Ukraine shelled donbas for 8 yearsCan you give me the date when Ukraine started shelling the Donbas? Now, was that before or after Girkin and what were provably Russian military entered the Donbas?
>>533486687I have no idea, but they did it ever since the 2014 war up to 2022. By all means explain which specific time periods they shelled a nation they were not openly at war with and why that's a good thing.
>>533477661Russia is fully capable of turning most of Ukraine into a crater through saturation bombing or sending ten times as many troops over the border opening fire on anything that moves. For whatever reason you want to give it, they haven't. Personally I'd say it's part of a hearts and minds campaign, they plan to hold this territory forever and don't want an insurgent movement who's still bringing up the massacres for the next four hundred years.
>>533485864I'm talking about this, moron with single-digit IQhow did most of them die against "unarmed" protesters?
>>533486687So because russia sent advisors to advise militias fighting for independence that makes it ok?How do you feel about the French, Prussian, and polish military advisors that helped train American troops during the revolutionary war?
>>533473996Most modern war causes de evolution and lowers the IQ of entire nations. You literally send your youngest best people to go and kill the other people's youngest best people usually for morally illegitimate reasons such as banking interests
>>533479935It is inevitable we will merge at some point, actually. And that's without Canada spending centuries and 90% of its existence as part of the U.S. because the idea of a culture called "American" was birthed in Canada.
>>533486755>how did most of them die against "unarmed" protesters?I dunno, I guess they just needed to get good.I accept your concession though. Thank you for conceding that it wasn't a "false flag operation" seeing as you couldn't find the court decision that your retarded screen cap up thread cites. >>533486792>to advise militias fighting for independence that makes it okThe militias funded by Russia since 2005?Also, Girkin murdering civilians point blank and dumping them down by a river is "advising"?You really aren't going to win this. Kill yourself, kike.
I'm Pro Russia because of the flooding of reddit Ukrainian trannies on /pol/ in 2022 their propaganda was so cringe and inhuman it was revolting. That caused me to read up on the issues and i agree with Russia. Ukraine is a Jew run hell hole i also noticed Ukrainian shills will never dare criticize their Jewish hobbit leader at all their like cultists. You cant not have a good faith argument with a hohol shill they are evil and i wish would just fuck up and get blown up like the reddit legion of 2022. As of 2026 the war is in a stalemate due to drones its to risky to do any large scale mechanized attacks so small fireteams slowly move up and dig in. If Russia can find a hardkill to drones its over for the hohols.
>>533473996Absolute projection and zero self reflection from russian is expected.
>>533487018That will never happen 70% of the population hates you and is proud of being not America. The other 30 is immigrants. Maybe in 100 years when this place is India 2.0 you can take it but lets be serious you will be Mexico 2.0 as well by then.
>>533487018>It is inevitable we will merge at some point, actually.You're thinking in terms of 2 Anglo countries my dude.Update. Maybe Jeets won't join the Jews, the merge was more likely or natural 50y ago.
>>533471452>I want to hear legitimate, well thought out arguments for why you support Russia,Ukraine isn't a real country.Just get annexed to Russia and move on. It's a dumb made up war.
>>533487102/chug/ is the subreddit because they split from /uhg/ due to not wanting to see gore of Russians getting fucked up at Hostomel.That and their whining about "oppression of minorities." You can't even deny this one because it's like 40% of the thread. Whining about oppression of minorities, literally.
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>>533479353What is wrong with you? It's all 100% verifiable and Victoria Nudleman is the source for the 5 billions figure. https://www.unian.info/politics/910206-since-1991-us-has-invested-5-billion-to-promote-democracy-in-ukraine-but-they-did-not-finance-maidan-nuland.htmlyour a bigger faggot than OP
>>533474178>muh wolynStop acting lije a martyr, you have your own share of historical retarded shit too. How about being "proud" starter of retarded concept of "peoples republics"? First "peoples republic" was created by you lot with (((mutiny))) of zeligowski and installment of (((republic of central lithuania))). Then soviets used this playbook numerous times, in creation of various peoples republics, such as karelian one and pridestrovian one. Until we arrive to crimean donetsk and luhansk in recent history.
>>533472573>russia the main source of the holohoax narative where denying it is also still illegal is secretly anti-semetic trust me.shalom fattest shabbos goyim a fine pilpul to you too.
>>533487368Yeah, that's definitely post-2014, and is most certainly of no relevance to the fact that Russia funded militias since 2005 and Girkin not only murdered Ukranian civilians well before the shelling of "muh donbas chilluns", but also shot a civiilian airplane full of Northwest Europeans out of the sky.I accept your concession. You may now seethe, brown.
>>533486783You're wasting your time. You're talking to some retarded nafocuck boomer.
>>533487265/chug/ is cringe and all they talk about is tranime no one even cares about the war anymore over their. /uhg/ is horrible troon echo chamber of seethe. They act like Ukraine is not losing thousands of men every month to their retard Jewish dwarfs suicidal PR stunts.
>>533471452>neccessary for defense?same as cuban missile crisis, only that cuba is further from florida than ukraine is from moscow, and while the USSR and US were comparable in strength, NATO and Russia are not. The cuban missile crisis was so important that the US threatened nuclear war and russia backed off. Russia has been asking to stop expanding the anti-russian alliance to their border since 2005 and the west only responded "well we made this rule for ourselves that we can not put any limits on our expansion lol" So in 2022 russia assembled an army and said, "seriously guys, we're gonna fight if you don't at least sign that you won't expand further" In response nato repeated the "no limits on expansion" line and sent Kamala Harris to Kiev to say "Ukraine will be in NATO". So after deplomacy failed for 17 years, Russia went to war. >who is winning?Depends entirely on how you define winning. Russia's hailmary goal was toppling the ukrainian government, which failed. Their minimum goal was to capture a connection and water supply to crimea, which they did in a few weeks and dug in, slowly expanding ever since.>lowest acceptable standard to declare victorycapture banan. Make international order accept it's ours now.>was the cost worth it?went from being 30-40 years behind on tech to being ahead of much of Europe in many fields. No doubt Europe had better cold war tanks and infantry doctrine, but that is entirely irrelevant in the age of drones. Russian economy grew, euro ones are in non-stop recession and deindustrialized.Black sea coast was recaptured. rusting soviet stockpiles used up (a few more years and all that metal built over decades would have become unusable)Euros were also kicked out by africans and replaced thorugh russians and chinese during the war. >missing the pointIt's not about the outcome. There is no shame in dying with sword in hand. It's infinitely better than meekly waiting for destruction like Lybia or Yugoslavia
>>533487504Keep shilling Roaldo
>>533487415Why don't you tough goys just invade Russia ? All you clowns do is talk big tough game yet you pussies wont act go help your hohol brothers and open up a second front.
>>533480056Just came back to this thread, if true.Sorry >>533474067 Argentino bro.You heehee made it sound ironic
>>533487562>no one even cares about the war anymore over theirWhy would they? It's five years into the 3 day special military operation. It'd look pretty dumb.>They act like Ukraine is not losing thousands of men every monthWho acts like people don't die in war? Sounds like maybe you're just mentally disabled, poojeet.
>>533476341Body exchange numers are propaganda for mouthbreathers who do not think. Everything works exactly as you said, but they do not understad it because they are retards, or understand it but still push narrative to bait retards.
>>533487645I had to look this up in the archive and apparently it's what brown subhumans refer to as what should be referred to as "Eglin nigger."Your skin is brown and you are not human, btw.
>>533478577KEK>>533479353>>533487402didn't even get the name of the cookie girl right
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>>533487680Juan you and your reddit buddies act like your kike comedian isn't using busification to snatch 40k men every month to die in the trenches. Then you clowns post drone videos and pretend Russia doesn't have any either even though they do but /chug/ bums are so lazy they don't even bother converting them to 4mb to spam on here like your shill friends do.
>>533487920Yeah that's what happens when a country is at war against a mongoloid invasion force killing their "brothers" for a lump sum of less than I spend on groceries in a week.You conscript people because the alternative is living under the mongol yoke in what should be Europe.Should fucking sing kumbaya and get stabbed, instead?Thank you for your concession, shitskinned poojeet.
>>533487265>That and their whining about "oppression of minorities." You can't even deny this one because it's like 40% of the thread. Whining about oppression of minorities, literally.>/chug/wtf lolno.CAPTCHA: 6-pointed jew star.(one of them, at least, forgot abt the others...)
>>533474178putin wishes he had moves like this
>>533488082Half of this thread is whining about the oppression of the Russian minority. I can find archive posts of Russians themselves framing it this way too, going back years. Tens of thousands.
>>533487765No they work because it makes hohol propaganda contradict. Ukraine claims Russians are sub human when they left their KIA behind back in 2022 now every single month Russia collects thousands of fallen hohols which they left behind. Ukraine claims it killed 30k Russian in a single month yet you only had 40 bodies the math doesn't add up. Ukrainian propaganda claims Russia cant advance and all their attacks failed yet then they claim Russia is advanced far enough top safely collect their fallen dead and the hohol fallen. It is true Russia does pick up their own KIA while they advance we have videos of the soldiers doing so. It's just funny watch Hohol propagandists spin them sells in their web of lies and contradictions when the bodes exchanges come up.
>>533487920average chug troonsee we can cherry pick too
>>533488228>average chug troon>>see we can cherry pick toovideo of an typical russian molesting a nigger
>>533488075So your saying in WW2 France should have fought until ever cities was ash and all their men died ? That's the good old Zelensky approach and best yet when the front collapses he will flee and you rats will still shill for him.
if the west treated its veterans like this there would be hell to payin russia its another tuesday
>>533488228Buddie i can pull up any NAFO troon and its over an their is a lot of source material their. For some reason Ukraine attracts all the sub humans troons.
russians think sodomy isn't gay
>>533488290>>So your saying in WW2 France should have fought until ever cities was ashYou're saying the Donbas is Ukraine?Also, last I checked Germans weren't asiatic subhumans. It seems you don't understand much, poojeet.>and all their men died ?How is that all of the Ukrainian men have died but Russia goes backwards in many places on the front? That's crazy, shitskin. You should look into that.
>>533488379i think russians have nafo beat on the sodomy frontnafo cant compete
>>533486391>Literally indian-tierYou're allowed to shit on jeets (for now). Just don't say anything bad about jews because your president just signed a law making it illegal to be antisemitic in your country.
>>533474901Because you have been treatening your neghbours with genocide since the 90s
>>533488379russians punish using sodomythey are not human
>>533487482>Whataboutism Fallacy
>>533488402General 200 orders his assault forces to counter attack daily along the front. Just last week the 425th Skala lost 53 KIA in a single attack so terrible even AZOG is calling for the commander to face criminal prosecution. The Russian front line is patchy due to small DRG's who man the first lines if you have a whole platoon in a trench it will be droned. The whole front now is patchy both sides can come and go.
>>533487069Again, how do you feel about French financial support for the colonies.None of that shit matters and you know it.What matters is whether or not the people of those provinces supported the Ukrainian government and they didn't.
>>533488542Was this not the AFU spokesman's ?
>>533487920>but /chug/ bums are so lazyIt isn't really even that. Just an entirely different ethos in that general where they don't glorify blood and gore the way that /uhg/ does. They have "comfy" in their name and try to keep to that theme. People who go against it and post gore are frowned upon there.
>>533488075>mongoloid invasion forceTheir country was taken over (almost effortlessly) by a Khazarian invasion force in 2014. Its funny how they care so much about being invaded by X but they rolled out the red carpet for being taken over by Y. Either way, Ukrainians don't even have a country to even fight for. Its just Russia versus ZOG.
>>533488687Yes they do they call for total hohol death, they call for carpet bombing of Kiev. Their just lazy and refuse to gorepost this is why hohol shills are winning the propaganda war on /pol/ The only /chug/ guy is like and respect is that guy who joined the army in 2023 and was killing hohols with his SPG in 2024 and 2025 hohol attacks on Kursk that guy is a good dude.
>>533488652>>Again, how do you feel about French financial support for the colonies.I don't think much of it because France wasn't funding separatists in the USA a full decade before what you're even coping about.>>What matters is whether or not the people of those provinces supported the Ukrainian government and they didn't.If they didn't, the referendums wouldn't have failed. Twice. Before the Russian "referendums", of course.Shut the fuck up you retarded subhuman.You don't know shit. You're a retard on a shitposting board who autistically posts the same bullshit over and over again.>>533488777>ZOGZelensky can't even go to Israel you fucking retard. How is it that the ZOGgiest ZOG that ever ZOG'd in the USA doesn't support Ukraine?Shut the fuck up, moron.
>>533471452because cuckraine is an artificial frankenstein made by stalin and his kikes, the sooner it gets annexed and partiotioned by russia poland hungary and us, the better
>>533488777Checked this faggot hohol shills are ZOG. They freak out if you make fun of US losses to Iran and get even more butthurt at Israeli losses. They just don't care for hohol losses as hohols are subhuman cannon fodder to them. Look at how they demand all hohol men die in the East for their Jewish overlords while Zelensky's goons take shits in golden toilets.
>>533488985>They freak out if you make fun of US losses to All of your shitskinned subhuman posts contradict each other. You're mentally ill because you are brown.
>>533488910>Zelensky can't even go to Israel you fucking retard. How is it that the ZOGgiest ZOG that ever ZOG'd in the USA doesn't support Ukraine?Read what is said about him in the Epstein Files.
>>533488922Poland wont get a centimeter of land fuck them. Hungary should get back their old land though they never gave hohols weapons unlike Poland.
>>533488835>Yes they do they call for total hohol death, they call for carpet bombing of Kiev.Sure, but that isn't the same as goreposting. Yeah it still amounts to calling for death, but its more abstract.
>>533489061I'm a Canadian and EU citizen your a smelly fat and short mutt who worships Jews.
>>533489089poland plays the long game, they gave weapons for the same reason we didso they go fight and diethe more the betterthe war needs to be prolonged for 2-3 more years so all hohols die
>>533489068Nice twitter screencap poopjeet.Thanks for your shitskinned subhuman contribution to this board of some other SEA poopjeet like yourself posting on xjeeter.
>>533489200Go ahead and post hand and a timestamp.You will not, because you are brown and subhuman.
>>533489222Checked would be funny if all the NATO countries boarding hoholstan backstab them and take all there shit.
>>533489283Nigger
>>533489283>You will notNTA, but you will not either. I noticed its easy to call for others to do this, but those who do that are also seldom willing to do the same themselves.
>>533489257>poopjeetYou mean like the ones Trump is flooding our country with?
>>533489711nice try poopjeet>>533489746Yeah
>>533489829Whoops, meant to reply to the poopjeet>>533489646So sad that shitskinned subhumans feel the need to lie even aonymouslyYou will always be brown, you will never be human
