https://www.msn.com/en-us/education-and-learning/higher-education/students-are-speeding-through-their-online-degrees-in-weeks-alarming-educators/ar-AA21eMNIWhat is stopping you, me and anyone else reading this getting multiple degrees per year? Article related depicts several seperate stories of people getting 4 year degrees in under three months while having them be depicted as fully legitimate as any other degree.Is this a remotely common occurrence, or only seriously doable by people who are both extremely smart and hardworking? Do any of you have experience with 'speedrunning' degrees? I did a 4 year degree in 3 and a half thinking that was good going, but I look like a goddamn amateur compared to these people.
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College no longer pays for itself in the USA.They just hire shit skins and jeets anyway and the price of labor scuttles at the bottom of what the 3rd world can offer, and the rotating door.Go to any walmart or giant chain grocery store and take a sample, 1 out of every 4 people in America are illegals and do not have social security numbers. The meme about the ICE agents getting rid of the illegals, is impossible. 25% of America's population is Illlegal, Musk proved this with his Doge investigation. You don't bus and fly ten thousand of them back home and call it a victory, there are 350 million people in america, and 70 million of those are illegals fresh off the swiftboat from the 3rd world, and they're willing to do every job at next to no cost, and a college education isn't worth it anymore.You're basically spending 15% of all the money you're going to make in a lifetime, to learn something that won't pay you extra. The USA is a Jewish Trickledown from hyperinflation, flood the state and federal government with the 3rd world, so that steps can be taken to eventually bring down the entire Jewish Remphanic State by the might of its own military, police, and clandestine services with licenses to kill.
>>533495858>> College no longer pays for itself in the USA.This is 100% true via conventional college means, but the article and my discussion doesn't really discuss that. The article talks about a woman getting two degrees for just over 4k in about 2 months using the university of maine 'yourpace' program.
If your degree can be completed in a couple of months, it is not rigorous enough to have value. I'd also have serious concerns about AI use to complete the assignments .
because what I need a lot of money, not another paper to wipe my ass with.I already have an worthless degree that was a lot more expensive and took a lot more time. I don't need more, I'm not doing a completionist run.
>>533495992Also correct, but do worthwhile employers give a shit? I'll admit that thinking about the 'value' in a philosophical sense should be secondary to the microeconomic proposition that speedrunning degrees might offer many people
>>533495858It’s only been worth it for networking for decadesNow, I’d consider moving before paying U.S. tuition
>>533496020Now we're getting somewhere. These degrees will still never be worth it (even if they only cost ~4k and 2-3 months) if they don't either get you a better job or make you a more profitable entrepreneur/business owner.
>>533496065Depends on the job, honestly. If having a degree matters for the job, it'll look weird if your resume says you went to the University of Maine between January and April of 2026 and obtained a bachelor's degree. On the other hand, for many jobs, a degree is just a formality and what they actually care about is prior work experience.
>>533495687Everyone in Europe has a master's degree.Because college is free and people don't have kids.So a master's is equivalent to a high school diploma in the past.Anyway. More credentialism is not the answer.But credentialism is the meta in Europe.They even gatekeep 60k a year jobs with PHd requirements.
>>533496249I'm sure you could either explain it by either stretching the truth and saying you started earlier (but kept the finish date the same), or by discussing at the interview how during those 3 months you did the degree 80+ hours per week until it was finished.
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>>533495687inb4 they had serious amounts of RPL
>>533496463I had no idea it was that bad in Europe. We're a lot closer to the US in that a lot of people don't have degrees and they're still pretty expensive. Regardless, I never advocated that credentialism was good for society at a wider scale. I'm sure many other thread discuss how progressive credentialism is harming so much of the world. I made this thread to think about the proposition for individuals. if I remain underemployed too much longer, I might pickup a few degrees using the 'speedrun' full-online mechanisms
>>533496584The article said SOME of them did, but that is 100% not required to blitz through a degree using these all-online pathways. It taking 4 months vs 2 is noteworthy, but fundamentally doesn't change the equation that much, does it?
>>533496086>networkingthere is no networking in college, or in any situation if you're a man. I never understand this boomer tier advice. the people your age are all in the same boat, and when you leave college you all start at the bottom of corporations, no one in your class will have the authority to hire you. networking is the biggest meme, it just means nepotism or sex. there's always the pretext of sex in networking. why would a random person give a shit about you? it's always a guy high up in a company with a girl that "networks" to get a job. you think you're networking and getting a job because you shook hands with boomer and talked about sports for 10 min at business meetup? I've never heard of anyone getting a job like that. if you're a straight male, networking doesn't exist.
>>533496602if your profession doesn't legally require licensure (not a degree) then it's a meme and will be fully automated
>>533496911"Networking" is a faggoty way of saying you're getting to know people just for business purposes. If you're actually friends with someone, then yeah they might look out for you or hook you up with some kind of connection that would be useful. Networking is basically pretending to be someone's friend so they'll do something good for you
>>533496911>>533497223Networking is joining an actual frat and suddenly being tangentially connected to a bunch of corporate executive types because you where both in the same secret club or the CEO of a fortune 500 companies nephew is your "bro." That you guys think it's literally just meeting random people at parties says a lot about why it isn't working for you.
Around here there's not enough jobs for the degrees handed out, most choices can be done in two years but they take five years due to so many filler classes and inflated days, we take 7 to 8 subjects a semester, almost 80 different topics over 5 years without the social program and professional internships included, all just to get a job with a fancy name and requirements that pays you less than a bricklayer or government cleaning boy.Also online degrees in Mexico are not banned but are heavily controlled because the point of mexican college is to be an adult daycare for dissidents so they can waste half their young adult years, you literally have to attend 80% of the classes to be allowed to take the tests, you aren't permitted to make professional grading because "you don't deserve it"
>>533495992Jeets still get hired. So your assessment is incorrect.
>>533497645That's actually a very valid point. Jeets lying about education, talents, and credentials is becoming a huge fucking issue in a few industries. It's one thing Rajeesh's cousin is a fucking idiot who had to have his hand held to be the worse guy on Help Desk. It's another that you just hired and brought over a system engineer with a master's degree... Who doesn't actually speak a word of English and has never touched a computer before. In his mind he got his foot in the door, maybe he thinks he'll fake it till he makes it but he can always work at a 7/11 for literally fifty times what he'd make back home. But hiring people actually costs a shitload of money and it's starting to hurt.
>>533496911It means a technical credential results in hiring from local schools And other positions are only available from on campus recruiting at like 5 schools
>>533495687>as fully legitimate as any other degreeIf you can speed through a few weeks of online classes to get it, NO ONE is going to think it is legitimate as any other degree.Also, even legitimate degrees from actual top tier universities are rapidly becoming worthless and obsolete due to AI and automation. Your shitty DeVry ITT Tech degree is going to be even more of a joke.
>>533497195Probably true, albeit with the exception of certain jobs that absolutely require the human touch/ a sense of personhood. Regardless, A lot of legacy institutions (government departments, large corporations, etc) still believe that more and better degrees = more prestige, opportunities for advancement, etc.
>>533496911>there is no networking in college, or in any situation if you're a man.There definitely is, you are just completely removed from it because you are totally socially retarded and low value. tl;dr - The fact that you never get invited to the Cool Kids Parties because you are not one of the Cool Kids does NOT mean they do not exist.
>>533498581The problem is only like two or three fields actually give the slightest or even check if your degree actually exists much less care were you got it from. So while I agree the current system is a joke, at the end of the day you're just adding something to your resume.
>>533498581Employers won't care how quick the degree is if you properly completed it and got it from a proper institution. Hell, I'm not even sure if you have to tell them over what timeframe you got it. Legacy institutions still care about degrees, but the real question is to what level? I agree there's only so much you can learn in 2 months even if you did the degree 80+ hours/week, but if you frame the degree in the right way and/or have skills/connection to back it up, it might not matter.
>>533496602Oh it's crazy bad. I hardly know anyone between 30 and 50 who doesn't have a masters. And these people aren't even midwits, they're dumb asses. One bitch I know with an email girl job straight up told me she just used AI to write all her master's level course work.
>>533498703Yeah, outside of the licensed professions (like law, pharmacy or medicine), finance and tech, 90% of places don't hugely care how and where you got your degree, as long as it's legitimate and you finished it with good grades. Even then, some employers may not look super closely at that.
>>533498624Nah it's just this.Aside from preventing white women from having babies it also makes them view less educated men as substandard partners.
>>533495687I considered it just to get student discounts, but then the places I wanted student discounts stopped offering student discounts lol
>>533495959If you can pass the exams and tests to get a degree even if you didn't go to a college should you be given one?Lets say you study everyting online and then take the college test and you ace it. Should you not get a degree?
>>533500207I honestly don't know. I'm quite early in my ideological journey, and still torn between 'Everyone including myself should respect the spirit of societal practices even if they've become rather perverted' and 'There's no law or decency anymore. Everyone is for themselves, and takes whatever they think they can get'. I believe (personally) that these online degrees are not 100% legitimate, but they're not 0% legitimate either.It isn't up to me though, so if these institutions are making it this easy, people will obviously take advantage of them. Whether that's moral or appropriate is another question on top of that.
>>533495959Those "get your degree quick" colleges are memes. Just like those coding bootcamps. Any employer will laugh their ass off if they see that on a resume. Not that they'll even look at your resume because your last name isn't "Patel"
>>533495687I predicted this years ago.What matters is the test.learn the material your own way.Take the test as many times as you want (paying each time, with different questions/challenges each time)pass and move on.
>>533495858>25% of America's population is Illlegal,Bullshit. Didn’t read anything else because this is bullshit. Fuck you.
>>533500401Good to know. This only creates more questions though. Why and how are they accredited? Why are they even still given the same degree titles (Bachelors, masters etc)? Are they essentially a gamble in that you save time and money but employers who look them up assume they have no integrity? Is there something me and the article have missed?
>>533495687I like how they used the two most subhuman looking college graduates for their cover image
>>533500401>>533500496EDIT: I should've also mentioned in the thread that many of the places with 'speedrunnable' full online degrees are long standing western (usually American) universities with fully legitimate credentials, campuses and faculties in their own right. Are they eroding their own legitimacy via offering these full online, no-minimum-time programs?
>>533495687>what is stopping us from getting multiple degrees per yearemployers not hiring
>>533500690Western world oldfags also have this mentality of getting mad as fuck that someone can do something faster, what americans call "boomers" dislike thinking someone can ace a degree in two years and discard that as an useless credential but will allow a degree tuition to cost 2500% more for no reason.
>>533500814Yes they do, but many of those same oldfags love degree-holders more, seeing that back in their day, degrees actually meant something. Which force matters to them more? The degree 'tradition', or them being mad at 'kids these days'?
>>533500465~50million illegals live in america,you don't believe the 11 million number they have been saying for 30 fucking years, now do you?
>>533495687They should just go back to the 80s system where only the top 5% academically went to university full stop. Those who went had tuition paid for so the only debt was for living expenses. They had rigour back then, and a degree was actually worth the time investment and made you stand out. The whole sector is run as a business now. Why are reputable universities advertising courses online? They should be at full capacity due to the reputation alone. It shows how the whole system is pay to win
>>533500690> Are they eroding their own legitimacy via offering these full online, no-minimum-time programs?Yes, see my point about Go8 unis advertising courses online, on TV, at bus stops etc
>>533501321It also started 20+ years ago when US, UK and Aus unis started making campuses in Asian countries, so you could buy a degree from a western brand name university without actually having studied there
>>533495687It's only useful for immigration and for that you only need one.
>>533497645Because Jeets hire other Jeets. In-group preference is in their DNA
>>533495687Almost no job requires nothing but a few weeks of training
>>533500690>EDIT:
>>533501263They probably SHOULD, but a massive number of now decently powerful people make easy, comfortable incomes off the bullshit the current setup espouses. No one wants to confront those people and tell them "You will lose your job, your prestige and everything you've built around it to lighten the burden on your countrymen and create a better society".
>>533495687>Online course >6 months>3 assignements a week>Assignements have unlimited attempts, are incredibly easy>Speed through several months of work in a dayWhats so surprising?
>>533502804I guess the big thing for me is if I knew it was this easy/fast to begin with, I never would've gotten a degree the 'normal' way. I'll never get that time back, and if I can prevent others from suffering in the same way, I'll consider it a win.
>>533495858>>533495769your money is fake.your lives are gay and retarded.you can't hide or stop what's coming.
>>533495992I bet they are using A.I. to study, and translate the shitty academic texts into easier to read summaries. Or ask questions to the A.I. to understand concepts the books poorly explain.
>>533497195My profession does not require a license but hey good luck automating the robot to climb the step ladder and attach a mini pc to the back of a TV mounted to a wall>it will happenThere are far too many fuck you human requires cases which gives me infinite job safety. Robots will replace a lot for sure.
>>533495992>If your degree can be completed in a couple of months, it is not rigorous enough to have value.Bullshit, most degree can be completed in a few months. School is a waste of time, especially sitting in a room to write down what someone is saying. I just need the book and I will manage.
>>533500465>Bullshit. Didn’t read anything else because this is bullshit. Fuck you.You sound like a child
>>533495687You go to college for two things, to get a piece of paper that says you're qualified at a thing, and to learn how to take care of yourself in real life and not be a child, dependent on his parents. The second isn't something that can be speedran; it just takes time to learn how to do all the mundane things in life like how to grocery shop for yourself, how to do taxes, how to do laundry, etc. Yes you learn a lot of those things as a kid, but until you move you they're never put 100% to the test. The first thing, however, the paper? That can absolutely be done fast, and if you're already an adult that learned how to be self sufficient there's no reason to waste four years doing something that takes four months.
>>533498675>>533497480>just rush aleph beyt gimel and join chabad, goy, what are you, a loser?
>>533495687Why would i need 4 masters degrees?
>>533496911You'll never have an easier time making friends than in college. You never know if one of the hundreds of people you meet could later put in a word with their uncle or know a guy who knows a guy, or recommend you to their boss. You'll also never be surrounded by a higher density of women with low standards again after college. I met my future wife in college and after I got a job through random chance, I was able to get a friend of mine from college a job at the same company. That's what networking is.
We have (had ?) an final test for every highschooler in France, without validate it you couldn t go to college, it was the same test, same day, same time in every highschool.>Be in highschool>Just skip school as much as possible to enjoy a real life>Always return blank pages for tests>They try to expel me during the 2 final years>Stop going to school totally for the last 2 months before final test>Watch anime and play video games for a month>Buy official test books>Then spend 12 hours a day during 3 weeks to learn 3 years of highschool program>Show up to the final test and eveyone surprised, thinking I gave up>Validate the test without problem>2 "good" students are crying>They wanted to go to med school, now they can't get no college degreeEvery degrees are fake.
>>533496463People get addicted to the University lifestyle or in other words young adult day care.Now with all the AI getting involved the addiction has grown higher.Unis should stop being "daddys paying while I get drunk and input prompts in ChatGPT"People actually consider Uni years the best and more carefree years of their life.Wtf is this???Make them be actual labour that demands your presense everyday.Harder than work.People should be GLAD when its over or drop out anytime.If now some geniuses or work addicts wanna keep going they can continue with a Masters degree.Work becomes even more extreme.Now if you are dead serious and a workaholic on your field, then the PhD is for you.This will never happen of course
>>533504428I went to uni 'normally' during Australia's longass lockdowns (some of the longest in the world outside of China), and I rather tragically missed out on these. High school/college dating in my limited experience was so much better. The women always the age they said they were, very few were drug addicts, they didn't expect you to have a job/car/status symbols and most importantly of all, they hadn't been torn up by the world yet. Those days will never come back regardless of how much speedrunning I attempt in the future.
>>533504643>Make them be actual labour that demands your presense everyday.>Harder than work.>People should be GLAD when its over or drop out anytime.plebeian take
>>533504025t. Ahmed with a CAP in drug trafficking
>>533503423>climb the step ladder and attach a mini pc to the back of a TV mounted to a wallYou call that a profession? For real?Like, are you serious?You mount TVs and connect basic bitch consumer grade hardware together and you call that a profession?Wow you plug the Playstation into the TV. Impressive.
>>533504818>German>OpinionGermans should execute commands. Not give opinions.
>>533500207Universities should teach you more then just cramming for one test. You also have to do projects, homework, practical lessons like labs for stem degrees and write a thesis. Those things cannot be done in few weeks without cheating no matter how smart you are.
>>533505552You should not have opinions or democracy despite you inventing it. Fucks can’t manage your economy in 2010s and brought down whole EU with it.
>>533495687This is how it should be. I don't want to spend 4 fucking years learning something I can become competent in a couple weekends. They slow the degrees down to charge more in fees
If its a Mickey Mouse degree, doing a STEM degree in a couple of months...lol. Some of the semester projects you´re given take that long to complete.
>>533495687Colleges should be more realistic about the services they're actually offering.Most colleges get by on massive government loans and the promise of teenage/young adult pussy and dick. The curriculum is filled with useless classes, and they often delay the most useful classes until the end. I am glad you can get cheap degrees. It pops the bubble.
>>533506123The degree isn't going to be difficult, but most aren't. Despite that, there are many jobs which require one, so it would make sense to get it as fast as possible.
i remember when i was in education and saw how much time was being wasted every single day on pointless shit, i'd go home and just power through months of work at a time, the uni would complain but knew they couldn't do anything about me not attending stuff because i was completing everything and getting the highest gradesinstead of fucking around commuting to classes every day and "waiting" for assignments to end, i just moved on to the next when i was actually done with the previous, the whole system is a colossal waste of time
>>533496911>all in the same boatYeah, right now, what about in 10 years? Networking just means keep in touch with people cos you never know who might be able to give you a leg up in future.
>>533505751University is daycare for adults
>>533495687The real point of college, is making lifelong connections. Going to a large school gets you a large alumni network, going to a small exclusive school gets you a smaller but more exclusive network. Joining a fraternity/sorority also helps with this.Going to college online does not.And definitely speed running college online does not.Many think the magical paper gets you in the door to a good career, but where you went and who went there before you has much and more to do with it.
>>533495687What’s stopping you from just making up that you have a degree for non govt jobs? I’ve only been asked to produce a copy of my degree once in my entire work history.
>>533506185>>533506243This is the crux of what I was trying to get at, and where the microeconomics proposition comes from. If you want or need another degree, why shouldn't people who whatever is the fastest and cheapest, 'college experience' be damned? I am fully aware that such a degree would have almost no opportunities for networking or normal college stuff, but many people have no use for spending money to do that anyway.If this realisation connects to enough people, why wouldn't it (further) degrade the integrity of degrees longer term, if it becomes more normalised for people to have large numbers of them that they attained in only a few short months.
>>533506707I never have in 30 years. Dont even know where mine is tbqh.
>>533506707I'm not against slightly stretching the truth, but lying about an entire degree is a step too far for me. It should be expected that saying you have a degree at the very least means you have some level of skill and interest in the subject matter, and you've (at least somewhat) gone through the 'thought homogenisation' expected at most modern colleges. I guess that'd make these speedrun degrees something of a grey area, in that you've theoretically done the work and heard the ideas, but produced very little related to them in actuality (unless you've done stuff in the subject totally unrelated to the degree).
>>533505826I considered buying a Skoda at some point. Seemed reliableOh and Prague is niceEnd of Czechia lore
>>533507002To be fair, you’re not learning more than you already did in High School if you’re doing a humanities/liberal arts degree. So saying you have a B.A in History in a state that has at-will employment (you can be fired for whatever reason with no notice) is whatever. I’m surprised people don’t just say they did their BA in a foreign country where background checks are more difficult that’s if even the company does a background check at all. It’s a numbers game.
>>533507273Not many degrees can be properly speedran in the almost sport-like sense some people in the space see it as. If it requires pracs or serious practical elements (in something like agriculture or nursing) it's a non-starter. If it's something that requires in-person creations or interactions in an unavoidable way (fine arts, teaching, most forms of engineering) it's also extremely difficult.Finally, if you want the degree rush to have a decent chance of success, you need to be intellectually honest with yourself as to what you're capable of. I'd be much too stupid to do (in under 6 months) something like physics, analytic chemistry, other forms of engineering, medical research, pure math, pre-med and a decent number of other things.This makes the most personally viable degrees for me most forms of humanities (but probably not philosophy or literature), some liberal arts, business, architecture, accounting/finance and some forms of applied science and social sciences my best bets.
>>533496602>I had no idea it was that bad in Europe.Oh it's much worse, one can even buy a PhD for a few thousand euros (even in domains like medicine etc.) in meme-nations, diplomas which then will be valid in all of Europe. Of course people will get hurt or even die, but the police and judiciary are so corrupt that a few more bribes solve that in a jiffy. It's a "prestige" thing for the left wing, midwits wanting to prove anybody that they are "smart" and "respected"... they don't care about perverting education to have the opposite role than it used to before WW1, even in that they take pride.With A.I. even skill-based domains like engineering, where bribe wasn't really that efficient few years ago, got "solved.">>533498787>>533496463>So a master's is equivalent to a high school diploma in the past.Nah, it's equivalent of the old Bachelor's Degree which used to take 5 years; now it takes 3+2 years (Bachelor's + Master's).PhD is just asking to be a useful idiot that will be thrown under the bus when a politician inevitably gets caught fucking up and somebody has to be blamed... or one that has proved he's so subservient he can be trusted to "educate" the next generation of midwits with criminal aspirations (if not outright career criminals... HE JUST NEEDS UNDERSTANDING AND EDUCATION became a powerful mantra in the last decade).Don't even get me started on university administrations becoming 66% Chinese and 66% Jeet during the past decades... I'm sure that's not a security risk lol
>>533506897I'm entirely on your side with this. Working people shouldn't need to sit through 3+ years of bullshit so that they can start being productive. It is a kind of 'credential-creep.'
>>533507628>or oneor for one*
>>533507689Yeah, it's goddamn psychotic. If people felt the old system worked, thinking about this sort of thing would only be done by fanatics who are in it for the love of the game. Instead, So many credentials are required for any job worth half a shit people would inevitably look for optimisations, no matter how extreme or bizaare they became.I would argue what's being described in pic related is the cause, and overoptimising degrees is one of the symptoms.
>>533495858The learned helplessness in Europeans is so appalling. Anyway -and just my retarded two cents- in regard to finding a job with or without a degree (which is just a cherry on top of your personal marketing profile) -and is why this thread even exists while putting aside the endless stream of pajeets that will work for a slave wage which offsets their retardation from the perspective of a hiring manager- I strongly believe you need 2 things to make it in this shitty market:1. Because we live in a world where normies rule corporate environments, and because they are extroverted niggers, you need to be good with networking and personable with people because hiring managers, talent acquisition, HR will get the ick from antisocial autists, which becomes glaringly obvious in things like phone interviews or just interacting with co-workers. Learn how to play the game and fake it, there is no shame in it. If you've noticed, job interviews are like tinder matches and you ultimately need to "vibe" with the fat balding retard, or HR karen on the other side of the webcam/table.2. If you're really passionate about something you need to demonstrate or reference the skills that are relevant/adjacent to the job role you apply for or the field it is related to using something like a GitHub repository, portfolio platform, or your own website, which means taking on projects to solve practical problems or demonstrate technologies with good documentation which is important because a job may come up asking for a skill you haven't practiced in a good while so at least you have a reference. This will not only boost your confidence, but it proves you can or will be able to learn to do the job and is essential because your degree program is mostly theory with few practical examples while both are important. If you don't already have both theory and practice down, a companies confidence in your ability goes down, which is a huge hiring risk.Good luck out there, 4chan autists.
>>533507931>meme I saved.pngI like how you get more and more communist as you progress through the points. You are obviously a dumb (midwit) hag and should not concern yourself with such issues, even if you accidentally hit the nail on the head sometimes. You are just begging for free stuff while complaining about people not giving them to you.
I have a university education, most of it is filler and that includes engineering. Arts is even worse, even with the pointless busywork I could easily compress a 4 year degree into one.
>>533508238Many thanks for the effortpost. I'll admit I feel a lot of your advice (at least under [2], the stuff for [1] is definitely very useful) doesn't really apply outside of tech, but it's useful to consider regardless.I thankfully AM passionate about something (controlled environment/indoor farming) and will look for ways to make exciting projects or better show off the ones I've already made.
I worked for the online platform of a university. This is just Chinese students cheating with their credits.
>>533508238>hiring managers, talent acquisition, HR will get the ick from antisocial autistsWhy the fuck would you hire such a person?>GitHub repository, portfolio platform, or your own websiteThey had three fat decades to do that (first in web/IT, then in mobile). Now they are competing with literally millions of jeets for each opening, having the power of A.I. on their smartphones. Or with millions of chinese, for higher levels stuff. And both categories are fighting for their miserable lives, stuck in rooms with dozen other programmers, lawyers, and engineers.
>>533495687I remember something like this in high school, a bunch of chinks would speedrun like 10 AP classes online during the summer and then never think about them again until the week before the exam when they'd cram studying because passing is passing when it comes to getting the credit. That was pretty much the beginning of the end for me taking education seriously at all.
>>533508292I'll admit that post has a very different tone, and was trying to look at things on a wider scale compared to my thread today which is much more individual focused.The points in the pic still stand though. Most young people have no easy out as entrepreneurs, almost all jobs are applied for online and now those are being overrun and driven into the ground by people inevitably optimizing by having LLMs write 30+ applications an hour for days or even weeks on end. You can't fix societal issues only on the back of individual improvements- they might help individuals, but that is not a useful longer-term solution for young people in general. 'Just outcompete thousands of people bro' is abjectly psychotic, especially considering said thousands of people will immediately replace you if you disagree with your boss on literally anything.
>>533508412>I thankfully AM passionate about something (controlled environment/indoor farming)like pottery>>533507628>outright career criminals... HE JUST NEEDS UNDERSTANDING AND EDUCATION became a powerful mantra in the last decadereported to the Australian Federal Police
>>533508564Well it seems teenage you was ahead of the curve. If blitzing degrees is even remotely normalised, they'll be even more worthless than they are now. Until then though, they might be *A* possible option for individuals looking to get ahead.
>>533508663Oh no, they're going to find my indoor melons. I'll never recover from the years in jail. You've ruined me, you supervillain!
Institutional learning wastes a lot of time, that much is true. But don't forget these "degreemaxxers" are biased samples, they are older, fully cognitively developed, have the motivation/discipline aspect already sorted out and have already mastered parts of the curriculum (e.g. calculus in the engineering programs). First timers are kids who have no idea how anything works and go to college because that's what everyone else does.
>>533495687I got 65 doctorates last year and now finally got the job at Mc Donalds because they realized that a Multi-PhD was superior to a 1 handed 80 yo Ukrainian refugee applicant. So yea it definitely is worth the effort.
>>533508744Great to hear Fellow Austrian!
>>533508721>communist obsessions>criminal calling others "supervillain"calling snow black? let me guess you are of slav extraction
>>533495687it only takes four years if you actually learn anythingif you know it already the only thing slowing you down is how fast you can complete the stack of required course workwhy would doing it faster be less legitimate? gonna punish people for knowing more than the course is teaching now?
>>533508816You confuse me. You clearly don't like OR respect anything I'm saying, but you engage with this thread anyway? Surely a high-flying individual like yourself (you probably have 10 kids, make 400K+ a year fully remote doing almost no work, are 6'5" and of Germanic/Nordic heritage) has no use for losers like me. Why are you here? To what end?
>>533496602>the system is failing>I want to maximize my participation with the elements of the system that are failing the mostBruce is well on his way to a nice office job
>>533509179This is pretty much correct, but if the ship is sinking anyway, why not get as much out of it as you can, as quickly as you before it all goes under? What better way would you recommend?
>>533509260As quickly as you can*
>>533495687The entire life you get told to get a degree for a job. Then people without it get it because harvard faggots with bad ideas made them worthless.So ho cares, spam cheap degrees, gain points, get a job.Education is now a joke and schools don’t make you any smarter than someone who just looks for info. And any attempt to change gets bashed by an army of old faggots who don’t want to lose the desk and more young faggots stuck in the system who don’t want it to change out of spite being stuck.Add that politics don’t like smart slaves, and the shitcake is ready.
>>533509260maximize practical skills. One of my favorite youtubers is an aussie machinist: Cutting Edge Engineering. Dude is literally living the dreamMy advice: avoid the prospect of working with women as much as possible
>>533508993>"you don't respect my ARBITRARY RULES" she cries out as she strikes youinstead of being grateful that you tricked people into giving you replies that made you feel human (your ultimate goal), what are you doing? the traditional melty a criminal gives when pointed out
>>533509403>any attempt to change gets bashed by an army of old faggots who don’t want to lose the desk and more young faggots stuck in the system who don’t want it to change out of spite being stuckmidwits are inherently cannibalisticthe only solution is to totally do away with public (state-coordinated and/or mandatory) education or testing
>>533509562so I'm a woman, a Slav, AND A career criminal? All the men on here should fucking love me then.These are some of the strangest insults I've ever gotten during my 12+ years on this basket weaving forum. You could've just settled for calling me a nigger, a Jeet, a brownoid or a kike, but you pull out all the stops to mock me thoroughly? Many thanks for the effort and engagement with this thread.
>>533509845>All the men on here should fucking love me then.you either hit the wall or your superiors hit the shit and you are looking for a way out that does not involve sucking ten dicks a day for the next ten years
>>533509507That bitch is a total psycho, her whole personality is a shitpost.
>>533509967She thankfully lost her job and got hit by the same blacklist she was threatening the Canadian trucker protests with. Fitting end for such an evil witch.
>>533509507I hope there's a special kind of hell for those so called "HR specialists".
>>533495769You can’t self bump newfag
>>533510092I swear you could back in the day.
>>533510092I swear you could back in the day (2014). It turned into a decent thread anyway though, one of my first effortposts in a long time.
>>533500207I think it is naive to think that a degree is merely the product of the tests you take.University of Phoenix degree is unimpressive, a state school is impressive, and a university is moreso impressive.But what’s the difference? The lifestyle which is cultivated. College is about learning critical thinking, not passing tests. If anything this demonstrates more things could be certificate programs. Not everything needs 4 years (including 2 years of “general education”)
>>533495687It's because degrees are moving towards competency based frame works. This isn't all that bad for the right student and the right degree. Would not say it's good for 18 year olds, but I'd you're 30 and need to get a degree to round out your 8 years of experience? Get after it and bang it out.
I quite lament the observation that just working hard and in your own time is now considered speedrunning.I had to quit college in 2013 because of that. They wouldn't let me do anything alone, every study point that didn't come from a rigidly scheduled exam was bound to group assignments and other shenanigans that wasted endless weeks.Asked them too: "what would happen if I did do an assignment alone, and it was done well?""We flunk you, because even if it's good, you're disqualified for doing it alone."So I took my money back and left.Learned an awful lot more in my unemployed daytime.
>>533500207You should, because as businesses have been saying for years and continue to repeat, having a degree doesn't mean you're any good at the work you're asked to do.They're spending up to 2, sometimes 3 years training freshly-degreed recruits to not be shit.It's been a proud kvetch of theirs for over a decade now that the college/university degrees are lagging behind the reality of the workfloor and consequently don't actually prepare anybody for the job.Do you know who is prepared for the job? The new degreeless guys they bring in under sperg diversity quota, who don't have a degree limiting what they're willing to learn and adapt to.Exactly the sort of guys who outgrow their hire but then don't have the credentials to promote into the job they've already been doing secondarily.
>>533510230time waster detected.although your post is most likely bait, university time wasters will unironically convince themselves that they learned "critical thinking" at the local indoctrination campus.
>>533510706How is drinking together with your fellow students wasting time?
>>533496911>there is no networking in collegeTRVKE!!!Some of the mouthbreathers there may be sons of bigshots but it's not worth it to go drinking on wednesdays to please them unless you are a woman or a faggot with a cheap body.Just don't be an asshole and people will remember you as if you were their friend. In 20 years when you need to change jobs.The other anons who replied were gofers for frat boys and are still coping to this day.
>>533495687The university system is outdated in the age of the internet. There's no reason people need to fuck around in college for 4 years, racking up debt the whole time, when everyone has access to the sum total of human knowledge. I was in college during Covid, and half the profs were just doing prerecorded lectures anyway. And of course the lectures were shitty because the profs dont care, they just want to get back to their research, so all the students were watching youtube tutorials to actually learn. The whole system is retarded and it needs to die.
>>533495769>>533510092you can't self bump so quickly. you can self-bump, you just have to wait (it varies depending on the current speed of the board)
>>533495687I got a degree online and it was time-gated, you can't just rush through it. What kind of shitty ass online college allows that?
>>533512085Why should it be time-gated? That just punishes motivated students and wastes their time.
>>533512085Some of them definitely aren't. obviously speedrunning a degree isn't possible for anywhere that IS timegated to any 'reasonable' timeframe.
>>5335121711. When these degrees are created they consider which is the average time the student should require/dedicate in order to complete the course. 2. Unless it's all fully automated college, the course has a teacher that needs to invest time in reviewing assignments and preparing materials, just like with any other college.3. It's only fair online colleges follow the same timelines any other college does. If it is not time-gated you are giving an advantage to online students. It also heavily favors cheating and inevitably creates a black market of pre-solved assignments.Sure, some students are more capable than others and it may not seem fair to them. Personally I hated the fact there was about 3-4 months of vacations during the year on between semesters which could have reduced my degree from 4 to 2 years, but that's what you get if you want personalized treatment and proper contents instead of some fully-automated garbage that doesn't really teach shit.
>>533495687Spent 5 years in college to get my bachelors and maseter's in 2010 and easily could have done it all in a few months if they let me do it at my own pace, so I don't doubt the online degrees are just as legitimate as the time gated onesBut in 5 years of only 16 hrs per week of classes allowed me insane amounts of time to play WoW and drink a lot, so I'm sure there's some lessons in that that the online kids are missing out on
>>533495687NOOOO YOU MUST SPEND 4 YEARS AND $80,000 GETTING A DEGREE NOOOOOOOWE NEED TO PAY OUR OVER-EDUCATED FEMALE ADMINS NOOOOOOOthese mf think that AI isn't going to make education pointless anyways
>>533512668Yeah cuz we all know there's no cheating at traditional brick-and-mortar colleges...Time-gating is pointless given the current state of technology. Only your 2nd point is kinda reasonable and it could be solved by leveraging technology and hiring more teacher's assistants. And if we're being honest, your assignments were probably going to be graded by a TA anyway.
>>533510325>and then everybody clapped>>533510489>having a degree doesn't mean you're any good at the work you're asked to doyou forgot the second part: "but not having a degree, that guarantees you wouldn't be good at anything"
>>533495992So there are a few outliners, like i have every almost every comptia cert and CCNA, eJPTv2. Working on learning reversing now. I was looking at college just for like a basic IT degree and they pretty much told me since i have so many certs i could finish my degree in less than a year but weeks or months is wild. They dont even let you do this because there is something called ensuring that you have enough seat time. Which translates to "You are not going to come here and just pick up a degree because it looks bad on us"
>>533496463I think they will eventually look at what you have done in the real world and not just you sitting in a classroom getting an A on something.
