KRAUTS WILL NOW HAVE TO BUY THE GCAP FIGHTER. "Mediation fails in dispute over Franco-German fighter jet."
"A person familiar with the matter told Reuters that the German mediator would conclude that building a joint fighter jet, once a key pillar of the project, was no longer feasible." CAP IN HAND NEXT HAHAHAHAHAH
>>533508112LINK SORRY GUYShttps://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/mediation-fails-spat-over-franco-german-fighter-jet-handelsblatt-says-2026-04-18/
I wonder if lockheed did something
>>533508172>CAP IN HAND NEXT HAHAHADitching bongs and germans has historically been the best way to actually make a functioning fighter jet.Just consider the Rafale vs Eurofighter.The Rafale flew earlier, is more capable and is actually affordable (despite Rafale being a product of France leaving the Eurofighter project).The UK even remained in the Eurofighter project, despite needing a carrier capable jet, and had to buy F35s later because of their own retardation.I think this is the right move for France.France and Sweden are the only countries in Europe that can design fighter jets.
>>533508112France needs different capabilities than germany in a fighter jet. France should have joined Italy/UK/Japan but then France wouldn't be happy because it wouldn't be the lead member. Germany won't do it alone, too stingy. France/Italy, UK/Japan, and Germany/bunch of eastern and central european states to lessen financial burden
>>533508112German Engineering autism gets stuck in development hell due to baked in autismo at all levels of management
>>533508112>FCASpronounced fuckass?
>>533508589We'd never join with italians, these lazy fucks will miss all deadlines. UK will drown us with paperwork. Japan is based though>inb4 pile of shit (west): bad, pile of shit (japan): goodUnironically yes.
>>533508689you cooperated with italians for FREMM just fine and you would be leader there
I think stable hierarchy is important to all great endeavors and the problem with the EU is it is designed intentionally to have no definite ruling race or center of power. So of course a franco german project will break down. Without a hierarchy of either germans above french or vice versa, it can only be germans versus french in competition for mastery.
euroniggers should just buy Russian Su 57 and stop pretending they are hot shit. (they are just smelly shit)
>>533508685Well their French
france should just make a carrier capable gen6 that can be adapted to lob b61 and sell them to the uk, italy and turkey (and the usa?)
>>533508112germans can't be trusted.
>>533508814su 57 is garbage.
>>533508814how many of them russians managed to build? 10? 20?
>>533508689>doesn't want the France-Italy team upyou are dooming Europe and I cannot forgive you.
>>533508660It's because the Bundeswehr is involved and that's a big internal mess on all higher levels.
>>533508112>commissioning new fighter jets in 2026ngmi. that's like starting a new cavalry regiment in 1935.
>>533508112Glad that shit failed and I hope we keep our military and nuclear independence.
>>533508960Ironically they have build 42https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57
>>533508685It s called the SCAF, pronouced skaf like a scarf but without the "r".
>>533508272There was nothing they needed to do. This was an entirely predictable outcome.
>>533508112Why would Kraut do this? They already wasted a shitton on F-35
>>533509196>Why would Kraut do this?Bundeswehr got flooded with money and its filled with incompetent bureaucratic retards, a byzantian organisation where every pencil pusher wants to be the top dog.
>>533509196It's not Kraut's or Baguette's fault, the problem is both sides keep cucking to their respective private industry. What should bee happening is both governments hashing out an acceptable deal and forcing the companies to implement it.
>>533508112The hell good are fighter jets when a 20k drone makes them scrap metal?
>>533509102of which 10 prototypes. after 16 yearskek, we have more gen5 aircraft than mighty russia
Macron wants to sell Dassault to Germany because it is part of his EU president deal after he's out next year.He already almost did it with our Nuclear Plants few years ago.He is also currently in Poland to make them sign a deal to protect them with our Nuclear weapons. This is also bullshit because transferring our nuclear weapons is also part of the EU deal.
>>533509451Frexit one day I hope
>>533509196Don't you need daddy Trump permission to fly them?
>>533509322>is both sides keep cucking to their respective private industrySame thing happened with the Lynx ...
>>533508112The germoids simply want complete transfer of technology by the advancements made by the frogs. The frogs refuse to transfer the tech and wants to be the one managing the whole thing and protecting their intellectual properties while allowing the krauts to use them. Deep inside and the real reason for all this, is that the french does not trust the germoid at all, and the germoid will always see the frog as a surrender monkey and have fantasies to storming Paris again in 2 months time. This is the “EU” as a whole is bad idea for europeans. You already secretly hating each others, and seeing each others as competitors, just break the gay union compete for real up to warring each others it’s fine some skirmishes here and there. Winner gets the other to bow to him then move on.
>>533508660I like Germans and had a relatively important position at a ~$1.5 billion annual revenue smaller Germany company. It was very frustrating making any progress. My own autism complicated things. It wasn't so bad though.
>>533508941>su 57 is garbageWorks fine in Ace Combat
>>533508112But saar jeet can't fight!
>>533508689I doubt Japan would want to develop it, they're crazy for F-35's.
>>533509830>what is GCAP
>>533508814It's shit and will be decades until it's deliverable.
>>533509676>is that the french does not trust the germoid at allThis is true but not in the elite spheres at all.Macron is basically fighting to transfer some strategical state-level tech to Germany and this is a private company that is fighting against it. Imagine the absurdity.This should be High treason against the state but the jew Sarkozy removed it 20 years ago.
>>533509676>Deep inside and the real reason for all this, is that the french does not trust the germoid at all, and the germoid will always see the frog as a surrender monkey and have fantasies to storming Paris again in 2 months time.germans sabotaged collective defence of nato against common enemy as recently as 4 years agomodern germany is packed with russian spies too
>>533509849The replacement for the F-35, due to begin in 10 years.
>>533509676piss off morocco nigger, why are you even giving your input
>>533508941Kek. Imagine calling the world’s best jet garbage while ordering a F-35 from zogmutts and thinking you got something. SU-57 has today many 10’s of kills thanks to the Ukraine theater. And the F-35 have a confirmed death from Iranian short-range air defenses. Ultimately Krauts will get nuked in the future for their hate of the superior Slavs. Z
>>533509784Unrelated, but play Project Wingman if you haven't already.>>533509669It is what it is. This obsession with fair competition and a liberal market economy has always prevented us from getting shit done when it needs to. EU has both strict regulations and a fixation on keeping their hands off the market otherwise. Sometimes it works, sometimes you get the worst of both worlds.>>533509676>and the germoid will always see the frog as a surrender monkey and have fantasies to storming Paris again in 2 months time. How is it possible to so fundamentally misunderstand foreign countries' people?
>>533509784>works fine in [FICTIONAL SETTING]why did you even post
>>533508112Just buy F35 ffs... there is no need to have any other aircraft industry than the US one, everything else is inferior
>>533509676True and basedTOTAL GERMOID DEATH
>>533509629A kill switch isn't needed with that nightmare of a US-organized spare parts pool. All the countries that forked out for F-35s are effectively leasing fighter aircraft day-by-day.
>>533509830>they are crazy for F-35sNoone is crazy about that flying shitcan.It's political pressure and general staffs being bribed that drive their exports
>>533509980
>>533508112Jets are obsolete.
>>533510003>>533509629About 30% of parts of the F-35 come from European companies. It's true we're fucked if the US decides to stop cooperating, but they'd be fucked in return too. It's MAD, basically. But regardless, of course, we need to de-risk from US hardware.
They have competing industries. I'm surprised they thought it was going to work at all.
>>533508112>manned flighti would rather build drone capacities
>>533510029Japan manufactures them.
>>533509322But what I meant it's not necessary Kraut's fault. It's not very logical for kraut to invest in another 5th gen fighter when you've already wasted money on F-35. Whereas Baguette still needs a fighter, but unfortunately it's almost impossible to work with them, remember eurofighter?
>>533508112>>533508172>>533508272>>533508814They likely decided to block or fire Russian engineers. In german companies like SAP, the whole technical side is fully held by 20% of russian software engineers. So, likely they decided to support EU idiocy , russian sanctions. And now they don't have enough engineers who can build a plane.
>>533510105>About 30% of parts of the F-35 come from European companies. It's true we're fucked if the US decides to stop cooperatingThey're all simple components, congress forces their arms industry to diversify supply chains because of Dick Cheney's corruption during the GWOT.
>>533509877Checked. >Macron is basically fighting to transfer some strategical state-level tech to Germany and this is a private company that is fighting against it.I believe that. Remember he sold Alstom which is the crown jewel of French companies, protected by state, to the mutt G.E. This was unthinkable even under Chirac. He also sold Total Energies to US stock-markets. That alone is treason of the highest order, let alone transfer nukes and high level strategical tech to the germs. Macron is an Atlantist who works for the NYC fed kikes, he is a plant, the destroyer and the one who would split France piece by piece and sell it to Atlantists. >>533509888Checked. Believe it or not, but allying with Russia is the natural and sane path to take for germoids, Merkel understood that and did very well in managing her economy as a result. It just makes sense to be friendly to Russia, and commerce with them, buying cheap and abundant energy then transform it then sell them finished products. Having Europe as a whole cut from Russia is called sabotage from the Atlantists who want to stop the “century of Euro-Asian of prosperity”. >>533509928They are my neighbors, and do trade lots with them, thus relevant posting.
Now I'm not sure how Dassault will find funds to even create it. Because even the money from the jeet scam won't be enough. Sweden would have been the better option.
>>533508112Germans are so stupid when it comes to the Luftwaffe, alsways have been. They should just buy the Gripen from Sweden.
>>533508112Lemme guess the team is women and brownsMaybe if my country cared about Germans, we would already be on Mars
>>533508814>NATO countries should purchase equipment from the very country they are supposed to defend themselves againstYou mean, to disassemble it for research purposes, right?Right?Ivanushka?
>>533510207MIC and Lokheed blocked the bill "army right to repair". It was supported by both sides, Democrats and Republicans . But lobbied and banned from being voted by a lobby headed by Lokheed.
>>533508272No. The story is basically that both countries agreed to a 50/50 split in production so their industrial bases could both benefit from the project. Then the French company suddenly turned around and said "actually our government told us it would be an 80/20 split, 50/50 is unacceptable" and started this ridiculous marketing campaign trying to paint German industry as inadequate. Both sides entered negotiations to try and resolve the dispute and France basically said "80/20 is our final offer, take it or we leave the project"So now they're leaving the project. Basically just a political stunt pulled by France to try and put themselves on top, but now it's backfired since France doesn't have the technical base to build a 6th gen fighter on their own in a reasonable timeframe.
>>533510196FCAS would bee 6th gen.>>533510207Setup of production lines would still take enough time for it to be a nightmare. Might be feasible during peacetime, but I reckon if they decide to ground our fighters, then we've already entered a crisis quite some time before that.
>>533510206They're actually still agree on completing the software for the plane but can't agree on the plane itself. They want to use it for drones.
>>533510106They used to work fine together BEFORE THE EU, such things as AirBus, and Concorde was the fruit of their cooperation, but it all went to shit when they created the EU. Turns out being Sovereign countries works better at cooperation than a gay union.
>>533508814>still can't fix air intake scoop to be stealthif it isn't mildly stealth, it's trash in 2026.>>533509980like this idiot failed to mention, even the F-35 shootdown required the plane to be in optical view.
>>533510275I think they're required to be stupid in that sector
>>533509676Im glad german men raped your kike family
>>533510335>Setup of production lines would still take enough time for it to be a nightmareNot really, it's not like they have plans to produce more than a few hundred a year.It's all fairly simple stuff to manufacture.
>>533510049They are like tanks, they have to stay further behind and shoot munitions from further away. Jets combined with precision EW resistance and ultra long range is a must.
>>533510324the nigger pill is a lot of companies in that business make their money in MRO so you can't just let the military fix their own equipment, goy.
>>533510246>Believe it or not, but allying with Russia is the natural and sane path to take for germoids,thats why they are not trustworthybecause they have this retarded autism that makes them belive they must get closer to hiv ridden shithole that sabotages all its allies and where no one sane wants to live in
>>533510418"Simple" is relative when it comes to mission-critical systems such as airframes.
>>533509433The Russians can maintain and keep producing them though. Apart from maintenance intensive F-35s, Russia has now emptied the shelves of European NATO-countries of everything from cruise missiles to helmets, and no 5th generation fighter was needed in order to accomplish that. The money now being poured into militaries in European NATO countries is not for sending a "great faggot army" towards Russia in 3-4 years time, it will be used to keep us from killing the incompetent child-raping corrupt elite.
>>533510407My ancestors killed and captured germoids and sold them to the mutts for dollarinos, we liberated many cities in Europe, get to know about the Moroccan Goumier.
>>533508112Modern Germany is only a bleak shadow of its former self. France is just France but a lot more brown and third worldish.
>>533510464Cities like Moscow and St Petersburg are superior, comfier, and whiter than cities like Berlin, Paris, or London. You got your script flipped, the brown hoards invaders and the destructive lefties that hold ideologies like LGBT are coming from the West right now. >HIV The HIV epidemic was due to Ukrainian biolabs constantly manufacturing HIV and lacing druggies needle with it.
>>533509451It's bad news.In 2015 Frenchies bribed the german puppets in Warsaw into making a big order for their malfunctioning Caracals, outside of any official MOD tender.Too bad they forgot one important, to bribe the opposition as well, just in case.Of course this shady bullshit was cancelled as soon as Kaczyński won elections and german puppets got a vacation out of politics.Say whatever you want about Macierewicz as the head of the MOD, but at least they tried to salvage something from the contract by negotiating additional offsets related to ammo production. Which of course went nowhere because Frenchies are kikes lite.
>>533510207>>533510324>>533510450>booomers are charging $30K for a $10 part that can be 3D printed>allowing army to repair those are bad for boomer guaranteed gov contracts>that boomer companies get >Your 3D Printer Is Now a Threat to the Military-Industrial Complexhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83wS4ax2gLs >Defense contractors just killed military right to repair - here's the $535,000 reason whyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0LmjzXV7IA >Military Right To Repair Is A National Security Problemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYslK8KCaKo
>>533510493...Which is BAE systems.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Inc.The defense industry is a very closed circuit. And frankly speaking anti corruption measures have never gotten anything solved.
>>533509980>t.
>>533510665Well, what is your prediction on how long it would take to setup production for these parts, up to former spec of course?
>>533510662Yeah I've heard about that, anti corruption measures for you guys are fucked.
>>533510331Nah this is not what happened. First it was 50% then krauts brought spaniards to the project making a 1/3 deal for France.Dassault engineers met with Airbus engineers and Dassault reported they were total clueless retards when it comes to Fighter engineering.They proposed a simple deal: France leads the plane part and krauts the rest of the project (system, drones) and even that wasn't acceptable by Airbus.
>>533510639nope your hiv problem is caused by the fact you keep doing gay shit and children of your oligarchs live in berlin paris or london while poorfag serfs slave for them in russia
>>533510726For me, I'd say 6-12 months if not more. Depends on the individual components and how much risk the yanks would be willing to eat.
>>533510665>anti corruption measures have never gotten anything solvedif people were a bit more thorough it should work.
>>5335107260 days, the American facilities in the subsidiary are where they produce the components.
>>533510662Your MIC would kill anyone trying to drop the cost of manufacturing or trying to investigate the frauds and corruption on going there.
>>533510789I'm not talking about BAE only, the other parts too. And even BAE doesn't have production lines setup and engineers trained for these specific products. Be serious here.
>>533510751Airbus is also a french company you moron. Why do you paint them as entirely German?
>>533510794>frauds and corruptionreally, it's only super bad because of export control. you give up the illusion that "muh supply chain security" matters, and I would bet prices for a lot of this shit would fall drastically, but also a lot of worthless cucks would lose their jobs too.
>>533510785Not really, basically just gives a bunch of pity contracts out to small time vendors so they can pretend they're diversifying the supply chain. It's what happened that caused that movie War Dogs.
>>533510713>>533510300>t. hohol jew on polish vpn Let's actually check drug use per 100K https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/drug-use-by-country >1. USA>2. Canada>3. Australia >5. UK>6. Estonia>Russia , Poland and Ukraine are approx at the same level Why are you, jews, always lying ?
>>533510763HIV is not transmissible from human to human you absolute brain washed half slav half germoid mongoloid. HIV was first created to lower the population of niggers, they injected them with it under false pretexts like Malaria protection. Then the same eugenics (ex nazi) scientists in America decided to test it on fags, so they started injecting fags with HIV under false pretexts too. There are many occurrences where people slept with HIV ridden people and did not get infected. The “human to human” HIV infection is a Psy-op, one from the 80’s. >>533510713
>>533510335>FCAS would bee 6th gen.>No European 5th gen fighter, not even serious attemptsAre you even hearing yourself? Why not go directly for 7th or millionth gen fighter?
>>533510785it just means you have more paperwork that only the corrupting parties can deal with. anti-corruption is a meme. people are inherently nepotistic and anti-competitive.
>>533510848>Be serious here.....I am being serious the Euro companies that have those contracts make all those components in the US. The supply chain is diversified in name only.
>>533511045>The supply chain is diversified in name only.I believe that. The dollarinos must be stollen in the US.
>>533511001Yeah never forget that Theranos got a multi million dollar contract to put blood testers in army helicopters under Mattis (an undeclared investor in Theranos).
>>533510980it used to be called gay related immune defficiency before political correctness you mindless russian apepic rel too
>>533511162It’s a psy-op. You can only get HIV if you are injected with it. Lurk more before posting.
>>533511162Huh, never knew that you're twice as likely to get infected by getting fucked in the arse than by sharing needles.
>>533510493FOKKER MENTIONED
>>533511245>can only get HIV if you are injected with itThey are, into their bum.
>>533511277Mader fokkers.
>>533509982>play Project Wingman if you haven't already.I did.Both are very short OK games with different pros and cons.Jet pilots not eating good.
>>533508941Alright where is your planeAh right
>>533508112>France once again fumbles an arms deal because all their stuff is dog shit quality, overpriced and endlessly delayedMust be a day ending with YIt's everybody else's fault of course. That's why the only people who actually buy their stuff are the ones literally forced to
>>533511269and it still doesnt include the fact faggots love orgies and changing partners while drug junkies usually have small hermetic communities where they share needleshence its original names always included faggotry in some way before CDC got involved>In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent.[95] The syndrome was initially termed "GRID", or "gay-related immune deficiency";[96] other less common gay-specific terms included "gay compromise syndrome",[97] "gay lymph node syndrome", "gay cancer", "gay plague", "homosexual syndrome", "community-acquired immunodeficiency" ("CAID") and "acquired community immunodeficiency syndrome" ("ACIDS").[98] The same opportunistic infections were also reported among hemophiliacs,[99] users of intravenous drugs such as heroin, and Haitian immigrants—leading some researchers to call it the "4H" disease.[100][101] By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new CDC-coined name: Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).[102]
>>533511245cope more you hiv ridden faggot
>>533508112>saves Europe
>>533508112Does the French portion of the jet auto-surrender during combat?
>>533510852Bercause we're taking about Airbus Space and Defense here which is entirely german.
>>533511583>>>/r.eddit/
>>533511569>scares europe When are you going to learn, Europe is not a fren, for their neighbors me included
>>533511569Turkofighter?
>>533509980>world’s best jetstupid zigger trash
>>533508272Lol cope>the americans sabotage our brilliant engineering!
>>533511457I'd stfu if I were you desu. Imagine shit talking the number 2 biggest weapon exporter in the world when you can't even get your aircraft carrier to go protect your bases in cyprus (say thanks cauz the French that you just dissed did it for you)
>>533509860Not if the Eurogoys would throw money at it. Realpolitik aside.
>>533510275Just badge-engineer it as Messerschmitt Greif.Jet-SAABs are designed by paperclipped Messerschmitt engineers who brought secret nazi super-science with them. Every jet up to Draken were things they worked on during the war.
>>533511970I mean in the same way a shocking market success forces development. But that's the realm of possibility not plausability.
>>533511719Normally i would agree but they are slowly realizing how much of a shitshow they are in. >>533511800minus the engines, yeah.
>>533509056When AmericanWithdrawal from former Axis powers: Italy, Germany, Japan, Hungary, Spain, Turkey (Iraq), Romania, Bulgaria, and potentially Poland (Prussia)?
>>533511465>community-acquired immunodeficiency" ("CAID")Somehow to me this is the funniest.
>>533509123>SCAFSystem combat air future? Did they hire some poojeet to choose the name for the project?
>>533512141the earliest cope but they had to change it because it was too funny
>>533508685This made me laugh heartily. FCAS.
>>533512190>Did they hire some poojeet to choose the name for the project?System hybrid air recon technology.
>>533508112Competition is for good...lets both build their own planes...and you bongs should also join to race.
>>533509676Very true.>You already secretly hating each othersI openly hate every one of our neighbours except italians.
>>533510626yet, germans still act like they own europe
>>533508112What was this about? I remember reading that Germany wants a really long range for their planes while France needs carrier capabilities and lighter weight.Why can't they just agree to develop many variants?
>>533511569We need plentiful cheap jets to swarm the skies like a murder of crows croaaa croaaa can't shoot all of them down if there's too many of them
>>533508112France can build fighter jets and Germany could aswell, but together neither of us can. International cooperation is pure cancer. Committees and corruption and dirty politics make progress impossible.
germans are backstabbersnever deal with these fuckers
>>533513055True.
>>533513055It doesn't matter who builds what because in the end european vassals buy F-35 and Eurofighters or Rafales are sold to third world shitholes (mostly).
>>533513202MACRON !!!!NUKE SOFIA AIRPORT PLEASE !!!
>>533513202We shouldn't build jets at all. Instead we should invest in underground bases, futuristic radars and missile tech and fusion weapons initiated with small nukes. The US agenda of aircraft carriers and it's desire to export its backdoored products to us harms us. Iran showed us the way. I'd love to work on hypersonic scramjets and cool tech like this.
>>533509056It was never going to happen. Both German and French are control freaks, especially Germans.
>>533513760Germkikes are backstabbing faggots who spent decades undermining our industry (nuclear and defense). I detest every single one of them and I hope we get the fuck outta EU and NATO asapThis anon here >>533509676 accurately put it into words
>>533513266Macron said: no nuke on you if there's a single nigger within a 50km radius.
I hate europe they should learn from recent wars and produce mass cheap drones, we already have jets/submarines/nukes/high tech stuff, what we lack is the cheap drones, fucking do something useful for once faggots
>>533508172>>533508112Because dumb frogs want all the benefits for themselves instead of equally splitting it. We told them to get the fuck out.
>>533509784So does the gripen. AC isn't a good source.
>>533514906Gripen E is an outstanding plane. I would fly that instead of an F-16 block 70.
>>533514736You can’t steal decades of R&D and call it equally splitting. >>533514624The EU was a trap. Sovereign European countries produced top tier equipments.
>>533508272No that's just the Germans AGAIN fucking around and ruining the 99000th group project, they're just going to cuck to the US again
>>533508689>never join with italiansI work at airbus and the Italians are okay even if they usually do the opportunist option on everythingTurns out right now the better option for them is to not fuck up and just tag alongDon't count them out
Just stop trying and buy Gripen already.
>>533515031>You can’t steal decades of R&D and call it equally splitting.Ok, but I rather start from scratch and do all that R&D again than give french the majority of this project we are supposed to do "together". It has to benefit us both equally. Just because you got some research done I'm not going to use my money to mostly fund frogs and give frogs the jobs while our people are left with scraps.
>>533515172This. Gripen is being sabotaged by both the anglos and the europeans.
>>533515157france is world famous for these kind of stuntsits a shame really but you keep shitposting
>>533515339 is meant for >>533515071
>>533508660bullshit. you cant build fighter jets with giant gaps, retard.anyway i dont see why we should spend all this money when you can just buy f35.
>>533509297German Admiral Schönbag in the German navy was forced to retire by a Green politician for commenting on the Russia Ukraine conflict.https://youtu.be/qAkStg6Kn-M?si=0WDzIvSGyqLR_Q1X&t=138
>>533515447>continueing to buy americanits like you are begging to be scammed and extortedit would be better to not buy anything at all then at least we could stay out of any conflicts from the start
>>533508112why is it speckled?
>>533509784You faggots figure out how to make the pulse lasers it gets in the game? Didn't think so.
>>533515527we get scammed by america anyway retard all the lng and now the oil comes from them. why not hand them over some more money so they can zog down all the bad guys and i can sit here and smoke my weed.its all fine.
>>533508112We could build a modern Me-262 if we weren't obligated to have the Frogs be part of any military project. Their idiosyncrasy ruins everything.t. expat
>>533508112Dassault always fucks up the deal because they're greedy.Tornado, Eurofighter - they always want to be in charge and take the lion's share of contracts and jobs.
>>533515742and what's wrong with that? faggot
>>533513202Export versions have lower tech - ground scanning radar and radar spoofing are not included.
>>533515783Nothing - let others collaborate (and share development costs) and France can go her own way - as usual.Little twat.
>>533515277Checked. Then build different plants in both countries, building the same planes to your own local specs offering jobs to both your populations. The designing can be done together. Starting from scratch is impossible it’s asking the frogs to forget what they already know while you are learning the process, so on that since you are the one lagging you must make concessions and allow the frogs to some sovereignty over their intellectual properties maybe pay them a lump sum to use their tech and promise not to use them in a future 100% germoid project. > I'm not going to use my money to mostly fund frogs The money will go to fulfill the goal of making a fighter jet. Investments should be made on 1€ from germs vs 1€ from frogs. Equal investments. Aside from the money you give them to use their tech. You will end up paying a little more because you are lagging technologically on that field.
>>533515742>>533515783its basically just so some engineers can be employed for 350k, thats all this is.just buy f35 you fuking donkeys.
>>533515689Cut the frogs and take the Sweds in then.
>>533508112I like to clown on mutts for being mutts but what were the krauts and frogs thinking?>America has decades if fighter polite design dexperience>"We'll just do it ourselves from scratch!">"Wait a second guys designing fighter jets for war is HARD"no shit? hello?
>>533515885>just buy f35 you fuking donkeys.Naah we're good nigger. We have our own MIC that produces everything in house. I prefer having our own sovereignty instead of being a U.S cumrag vassal state
>>533515885Buying the F-35 is literally burning billions for lemons.
>>533516012For that, respect is due to the frogs. But Macron is the destroyer of the remnants of French sovereignty. I expect him to cross every red line and sell everything he can to the atlantists before he leaves office.
Why are fighter jets still a thing anyway? What do they do that a drone can't?
>>533515860Your post implied that what Dassault was doing is bad which It isn't. If germkikes had an independent MIC and an independent energy sector they'd be doing worse. They should be glad we're even entertaining the idea of working with them and sharing our expertise with them. An expertise we paid a heavy price to acquire whilst they were kneeling down and sucking mutt cut dickYou EU federalist faggots disgust me and you should KYS
>>533516006Technically they could build one superior to your Juden Wunderwaffen if not for the kike and cia moles and pawns within their corporations and politicians who would sabotage such efforts.
>>533516172No opinion - just an observation.They shouldn't pretend they're going in with partners and then always change their mind afterwards.I've worked at Airbus - which site are you at?
>>533510508>we liberated many cities in Europeyour ancestors were under colonial rule during world wars like all of africa and middle east, they couldnt even liberate themselves
>>533516161Euro-cucks dont have enough of fighter jets, of bombers, of drones, of satellites, of tanks etc… I think their plan is first to make local 5th gen fighter jets then move to other needed things.
>>533516282Protectorat is not really colonial rule. Reminder that we called them for protection, unlike Algeria who were legit under colonial rule. Not all North Africa is the same. Learn your history. They were also paid in full for their services.
>>533516023so which one is it?
>>533516094It's currently happening as we speak kek. Of course RADNOK has zero spacial expertise so just lets keep them that for free.
>>533516268>They shouldn't pretend they're going in with partners and then always change their mind afterwards.and? We've got the leverage and we can do whatever the fuck we want. Got a problem with that? They've be doing the same or worse if they were in a position of power
>>533516442they'd*
Fighter jets are an obsolete technology
>>533516442Oh it's good to be able to sell Rafales to 2nd rate countries.Just development costs for 6th gen (stealth) are insanely expensive.They've been able to get away with it until now, not for much longer - why 1st tier countries like Japan, UK, Italy - and it looks like Germany are joining the Tempest program.
>>533516673>muhh shekels>muhh 2nd rate countriesNigga we're the second biggest arms exporter in the world...And we've been making everything domestically (which costs a ton when we could have just relied on mutts for weapons) and you think we don't have the capability to make a 6th gen fighter....You're so dumb
>>533516805Also we just launched the construction of our second nuclear powered aircraft carrier. Only 2 countries in the world have these (France and USA) and you think we can't domestically make a 6th gen fighter? You're either a german kike squatting in France or just painfully retarded
>>533516805I'm dumb ? You sound like a child. How long have you worked in aerospace - because I've got 20 years.You don't need to tell me about aircraft production because I've been there and done it.
>>533515884This sounds too reasonable for it to actually happen because both sides want 100% their thing and 0% of the thing other side wants. This no compromises thing meant it was dead in the waters from the start and even back then I called it that nothing will work out like that.
>>533516805We couldn't even maintain our own assault riffle kekWe saved the face with Rafale because pajeets are literal poo-eating retards but it's not looking too good.
>>533516945>We couldn't even maintain our own assault riffle kekAccording to who?? You doomer faggots should be eradicated...You cannot expect me to believe that the 2nd biggest exporter of weapons in the world doesn't have the capability nor the money to develop a 6th gen fighter lol. You both are stupid
>>533508112>europe continues to bicker and squabble internallywith any luck it will lead to the fragmentation and collapse of the european union. Because that is what needs to happen.
>>533508112Germans can't build planes.
>>533517140>You doomer faggots should be eradicatedThat would kill half of "french" posters.
Oh boy, I'm sure once the project gets approved in 2 years through the signature european institutional haste we might have a prototype ready in 2 decades
>>533516424Gripen E (upgraded to 5th gen) or J-20 (but this means the mutts would invade or sanction you kek) your choices are limited. Best choice is upgraded Gripen E
>>533508112This is what France always do, pretend to be interested in a joint project, then back out at the last minute taking whatever info or blueprints they can. Tornado, typhoon etc, anyone willingly engaging with the French on defence projects is mentally retarded
>>533516430As expected
>>533516442>position of powerLol, France is basically Africa at this point, talk about having brilliant priorities
>>533508112>BUY THE GCAP FIGHTER.Just buy the no cap instead.
>>533518113>>533518306When your "country" succeeds in making nukes, having an nuclear powered aircraft carrier, an entire independent MIC, a nuclear industry that basically powers the rest of Europe, a permanent seat at the UN security council, the only European leading AI firm (Mistarl AI) that's making waves and be culturally relevant in the 21st century with a dozen+ outside territories still under its dominion then and only then will I consider your opinion. In the meantime, head over to the back of the bus faggot
>>533508112The real reason France doesn't want partners is because they want the sales.Unfortunately, 6th gen fighters can be used against you, so you either have to sell them to very close allies or just produce for your own defence.Each member of a consortium would have to agree on potential clients - unlikely.The costs are just too high except for the richest countries and the risk of the tech being copied are also to high.So just Euro consortium+Japan, Russia, US and China can do it.
>>533509980>Imagine calling the world’s best jet garbage while ordering a F-35 from zogmutts and thinking you got something.Lmao, at least the F-35 exists you stupid zigger.>SU-57 has today many 10’s of kills thanks to the Ukraine theaterlol... lmao. hilarious!
>>533508435Rafale lost to pakis, nobody is buying that shit now. Eurofags will continue to grovel before Trump and will be forced to buy gold plated F35s for the next 75 years. For the next 5 years they will have meetings about meetings about how they are totally serious about euro defence capability this time and are going to pull a functioning industry out of their assholes any day now.
>>533517777Checked. Quads never lie
>>533518807SU-57 still mogs your Juden wunderwaffen.
>>533511457HOW IS YOUR NAVY DOING ??? WITH YOUR TWO BATHTUBS, SORRY ASS CARRIERS ! OR THE AJAX, CAN'T EVEN BUILD PARRALEL TANK THREADS !! AHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAH1500 YEARS OF BEING THE ULTIMATE ASSHOLE TO END LIKE THIS POTTERY TRULYAHAHAHAH CAN'T SEND A SINGLE SHIP, MORE ADMIRALS THAN SHIPS, MORE HORSES THAN TANKS
>>533518113Except we have the tech, lesser germany.
>>533518907Pakis won thanks to Sweden made AWACS which was truly superior in seeing through the Kashmir mountains, the pajeets had some older AWAC incapable of seeing as clear in the Kashmir mountains. The pajeets thought the Rafale’s own radar were enough. Big mistake. Buy Gripen E’s they are good planes. Why is europe low balling Swedish war equipment is beyond me.
>>533508814>5 in existence>2 operationalor something...
>>533509888>modern germany is packed with russian spies toochecked and sadly true... they need to clean up
>>533519735but no money to finance this, lesser algier.
>>533518113>>533519735>>533514736>>533515485I want to see a good ol classical european war al sauce modern so bad. I think you guys need one. That’s the only way you can go forward. It is also a European tradition, no amount of delusional union would ever stop that.
>>533508172France can't engineer shit, we had to axe it
>>533508272Alcoholism and secrets are so aerodynamic
>>533510751I believe you over the canuck because the rafale is pretty.
>>533508112Maybe german leadership got strong message from their handlers in washington.
>>533520103Only if you also agree to duke it out with alg*ria.
>>533520141You did engineer your downfall more efficiently than us, i'll give you that.
>>533510335if they cut the software updates and stuff your planes are grounded within days; do you have as much leverage towards them?
>>533520141>France can't engineer shitWe did engineer an entire network of nuclear reactors that provide you worthless faggots with electricity to survive. We turn that tap off and you'll crumble within weeksAnd then let's see if the shekel ponzi scheme that you >>533520062 are running through EU can save you
>>533520141>Wat is Concord
>>533519924Lol update your numbers. Although it is true that Russia does not publicly disclose their total SU-57 stocks or even the numbers of batches. But we can tel by 2024 they had 42 SU-57’s of various gen, considering they produce 12 a year, we can confidently put them on 66 planes made and delivered. Their state contract was at 78 platforms to be built, we can assume they are at the end of their production goal which will happen in 2027 as planned by their MiC. Elements that proves this speculation, Russia took 2 new orders from India and Algeria, which means they production lines are about to finish their production for the Russian military.
>>533520336Algeria is duking itself. By doing nothing, we are winning against them kek.
>>533520784>Algeria is duking itselfHow so?
>>533520287This.
>>533510286why would a jew-american-russian puppet state care about the volk
>>53352094298.75% of their GDP is hydrocarbure. It’s not sustainable. Also they are too corrupt to be a threat. They are basically fucking themselves in the butt. Right now we achieved a huge gap that would take them 20 years to catch up. Since very corrupt they will never catch up, they have no plans “post oil and gas” in motion. Their future is grim (their present is too is pretty grim though).
>>533512793well, someone has to
>>533521288Kek, thanks for insight.
>>533508112who needs more war tech? get rid of the MIC and there will be no more wars
>>533508112Looks like transformers thundercracker from the 90's and it's french lel.Germany I dunno they had nice early 2000's jet's
>>533515071sounds like a fucking child crying
>>533508272Lockheeb wasn't involved, this was purely France's doing.
>>533520574Concord is mostly an french/bongs collaboration. As much as we've hated each other for centuries the most successful we've been was working with the anglo, unironically.Just look at picrel, this is what I call a kino project.
>>533516313why is this brownoid allowed to speak
>>533508112why do they keep trying this shit when this is the fate of every joint project between France and Germany?
>>533521899He's a commie spaniard larping as french
>>533510751>>533520241This. As usual the krauts are the eternal enemy and they brought airbus Spain into the deal to try and turn the thing to their advantage. Also the French need the planes to have nuclear capabilities and to be able to take off from a carrier. The krauts have no nukes and last I checked no aircraft carriers either. We lost several years for nothing because Macron is a retarded Europe loving cuck who thinks we can do things together which is just not optimal. As Eric Trappier (CEO of Dassault) said : if they want they can make another Eurofighter, the last time they did it with 4 countries and out of the 4 now 3 of them are buying American F35s.Fuck Germany. Fuck Merkel. Fuck Ursula. Fuck Merz. Fuck your European electricity market. Fuck your overpriced shit cars that are getting raped by the Chinks. Fuck you. Total kraut and kike death, TKKD.
>>533522616>Fuck Germany. Fuck Merkel. Fuck Ursula. Fuck Merz. Fuck your European electricity market. Fuck your overpriced shit cars that are getting raped by the Chinks. Fuck you. Total kraut and kike death, TKKD.This.
>>533520103yeah sure...they should remove EU and start killing themselves by the millions instead of enjoyed the benefits of a huge big advanced market that rises the quality of life of everyone you are a dumb nigger>>533520336algeria is not a threat ,and i think we arent retarded like saddam to start a war that wont be finished in a 100 years and only cause us to get targeted.
>>533508112You can't deal or work with the french, its not possible. They've always been the same
>>533509980Shooting down ukraines fleet of un-upgraded 50 year old soviet jets isn't much to brag about.
>>533508435This. You guys make pretty good fighters.
>>533523381>instead of enjoyed the benefits of a huge big advanced market that rises the quality of life of everyone you are a dumb niggerThe EU common market is fucking euros over. Over farming, energy production, and now arms manufacturing, it’s all backward retardation is bringing no benefit to the common european goyim, only more centralized corruption that favors the few over the rest. They were better off on the old system. >hey should remove EU and start killing themselves by the millionsThey are already doing that in Ukraine and calling it “western values”. It’s a european tradition, they can’t go without it. And while they do that, their neighbors get to watch them kill themselves. >i think we arent retarded like saddam to start a war Waging wars is not in our tradition. Our army is defensive is nature. We would fuck any army attacking us, but we are not into offensive wars. Thank God for that.
>>533523543Felon would whoop your fighters and you know it.
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>>533523482I like the french. Cool guys who dont take shit from neoliberal capitalist scum like we do in germany.
>>533508112>German-Franco-SpanishBlitzkrieg-Surrender-InshallahYeah I could see how that wouldn't work out. At least they had a lot of good committee meetings about it and produced a cute scale model.
>>533524020Plees. It's fuckhuge signature would be locked BVR.
