It’s almost as if any economic or political system can be manipulated by malicious actors in positions of power

For once, OP IS NOT A FAGGOT

>>533508696
Not any. In the (theoretical) fully free market, no one could due to no coercion.

Private businesses can't manipulate anything as they can't enforce laws.

>>533508651
>A 2024 analysis of pharmaceutical costs across OECD member countries highlighted the following disparities between the U.S. and South Korea:
>Brand-Name Drugs: U.S. prices are approximately 700% (7x) of those in South Korea.
>Biologics: These complex medications cost more than 5.7 times higher in the U.S..
>Top Revenue Drugs: For the 60 most profitable medicines in the U.S., the gap widens to 8.4 times the Korean price.
Yeah, it's not regulation, homo. In normal countries regulations limit what a drug is allowed to cost for the following period

>>533508696
american finding out what interventionism is, but not understanding that it is inherently evil:

>>533508651
A sick person doesn’t have a choice.
The "free market" doesn’t work when you’re dying.

Would you abolish patents and any intellectual property rights?

>>533508930
then start wondering why you can't simply purchase said drugs from abroad, or why, if profit margins are so big, you can't start new companies producing said drugs at a slightly lower markup. it's almost as if established pharmaceutical companies push for """safety""", import, and patent regulations which make competition legally impossible. interesting how that sounds.

>>533509054
if you believed that healthcare is a free market, and that sick people don't have choices, you'd be starting pharmaceutical companies, Hans.

>>533508651
Not much of an argument when the US is spending twice as much per capita on health care as countries with universal healthcare. This is just one case where the free market is, in fact, less efficient.
>private insurance is a completely unnecessary middleman
>without universal coverage people get less preventative care because they don't want to pay out of pocket, which leads to more serious (and much more expensive) health problems later

>>533508651
Private health insurance is the biggest scam ever, insurance being for-profit in general is counter-intuitive.

>>533509175
>this is a case where the free market is less efficient
except it's not a free market. you literally did the meme.
drop that memeflag, ranjeet. I know who's paying you people

>>533508930
Patented drugs are a literal legal monopoly. How expensive are free market aka generic drugs, you fucking retard?

>>533509054
Good point, in fact, now that you mention it, no one has a choice, since everyone has basic needs, sick or not. Holy shit. How will libertarians ever recover from this ground breaking realization? KeK

One way or another consumption of anything (food, shelter, clean water, a cure for an illness), requires previous production. If production is inefficient, most people's basic needs can't be met. Production is more efficient in a free market. Get it?

>>533509175
US healthcare can't be a case of the free market being less efficient, anymore than reddit is a case of free speech being less efficient.

It's not a free market.

>>533509054
Making money now is about how you can extort rents from everyone else. Subscriptions, landlords, insurers. It's all pretty gay now.

>>533509161
>if you believed that healthcare is a free market, and that sick people don't have choices, you'd be starting pharmaceutical companies, Hans.
I said it’s not a free market as sick people are not free.
You don’t compare prices when you have a knife in your ribs.
Healthcare is only ever a fair transaction if it’s regulated.

>>533509232
>a more regulated system has 7 times cheaper exact same brand drugs
>hurr durr it's regulation making drugs expensive
it's the kikes, you stupid nigger
who owns the insurance and pharmaceutical companies?

>>533508651
Modern socialized housing was created in the 1930's when the socialists took over with the intention of shipping first and second generation immigrants out of the overcrowded cities into suburbs as a response to, wait for it, mass immigration to major cities as the economy failed. Well they never turned that system off

>>533508651
all spaniards are red pigs and cryptomuslims
kys commie raghead
get raped by a nigger
you got 500K niggers for free last month I lol at you

>>533509232
>Production is more efficient in a free market. Get it?
Turns out production efficiency is defined more in terms of profitability than feasibility of goods and services being provided. If the free market could have you eating sawdust in a cardboard box with HOSPITAL written on the side, it would. Regulation needs to regulated too.

An unregulated 'free' market is always a race to the bottom.

>>533509232
You didn’t address my point because you can’t rebuke it.
Instead, you try to move the discussion to something else.

>>533509380
look man you are too fucking stupid to understand anything and also very loud about your stupid opinions, some of you should just accept that your ability to process information is limited, and accept that the "incomprehensible" things smart people say may actually be true even if you don't get it.

i am telling you, in the absence of legal limitations as to who can make a medicament, you get the situation of generic meds. do you not understand that?

>>533509420
i honestly really dont care about the 500k, its something midwits are outraged about, we have much worse problems

>>533509477
OK, go get treated in Somalia then, retard.

>>533509310
the word "free" in free market has only sense in a negative freedom sense, not in a positive freedom sense. so you could have cholera for all I care, that wouldn't mean you aren't free in a negative sense.
>you don't compare prices when you're in a life threatening situation
I'm sure that given the choice of spending 500 bucks for insulin or 30 bucks, even though it's a survival matter, you would choose the 30 bucks option.
>healthcare is only fair if regulated
[citation needed]
the point stands. your attempt to move the goalpost didn't work sorry.

>>533509444
no you fucking idiot. no its not. when i say its more efficient, i mean more efficient at meeting people's needs. otherwise words have no meaning.

it is a fact that free market is better for meeting most people's needs

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Capitalism only doesn't work when socialism enters the picture

>>533508651
50% of our taxes go to welfare in the U.S. It's not a capitalist problem is a socialism problem, in that socialism seems to make everything worse.

>>533509449
you think i moved it to something else because you cant see the correlation between what i said and what you said, you're dumb

you said "market cant be free because sick people dont have a choice", i said "then its never free because people have basic needs even if they're not sick". ok, it "cant be truly free", but what we call the free market is still the best way for an economy to be, get it?

>>533509508
Oh... W-Why somalia, anon? I-I'm confused...

>>533509581
Let universities teach medicine to more people so there's more doctors
Make all meds generic
Allow more homes to be built, no permits, licenses and paperwork in order required, fuck boomers and "muh home value"
Lower taxes for small business owner, income tax, and taxes businesses pay for hiring someone on top of gross wage

life could be great just like that ngl

>>533509549
It’s only a free market if i can chose not to buy or buy less.
You can’t choose not to have a heart attack or just don’t give birth.
If you’re sick, you’re not a customer.
Sick people need the government to step in and regulate extreme forms of health care extortion.

>I'm sure that given the choice of spending 500 bucks for insulin or 30 bucks, even though it's a survival matter, you would choose the 30 bucks option.
That is why i asked about if he wants to abolish patents and intellectual property. Because lower drug prices are only possible if you take away these granted monopolies.

>>533508651
The first statement is almost true but replace the word capitalist with the word Jew. Honestly all of the Jew-hoarded real-estate should be seized without any compensation to the kikes what-so-ever and put on the market for fair prices.

>>533509611
>what we call the free market is still the best way for an economy to be
Yes i agree, it works good to produce products like phones but not for infrastructure, health care and security.

>>533509631
Somalia only has a government nominally, it's a free market heaven. In fact, it used to be heralded as an economic model for the future by free market enthusiasts in 2000s who literally promoted anarchy and a stateless market as driving the Somalian economic progress.

>>533509796
that is not how it works you fucking idiot, you are the reason europe is a shithole.

>real freedom is impossible bro, sick people cant choose bro, what now?
KeK, idiot, if i am sick, i guarantee i prefer a free market vs a bureaucrat putting me on a waitlist or patents on meds

>>533509817
do you seriously not see any other problem with the statement? i tried to make it very obvious

>>533509901
>efficiency works for unimportant things only
idk about you but i'd prefer a cheap home and cheap healthcare and to be on a waitlist for a gaming pc and a tv

>>533509974
That’s exactly how it works buddy.
If you want a new phone and the seller asks for 10k€ you can say no until the market eventually responds.
If you are bleeding from your throat you cannot wait and say no. Unregulated healthcare would be only available to the richest people.
That’s why nearly every developed western country has socialized healthcare.
And people from countries without it are dying to get here.

>>533509974
>idk about you but i'd prefer a cheap home and cheap healthcare and to be on a waitlist for a gaming pc and a tv
You are dumb. You can’t even read.

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>>533508787
Except the private businesses that have most of the wealth which allows them to manipulate the market by:
1) Buying more advertising
2) Advertising lies to gain a competitive edge (no government to regulate them)
3) Using wealth to stop people from finding out about those lies (online bots that spam review sites or social media bots affirming the lies and discrediting those that call out those lies)
4) Buying private armies to enforce what they want (no, boycotting will not work here)

>>533510204
>If you want a new phone and the seller asks for 10k€ you can say no until the market eventually responds.
>If you are bleeding from your throat you cannot wait and say no. Unregulated healthcare would be only available to the richest people.
Until the market responds also means there's just not enough resources available for everyone, no matter what the govt dictates.

What's faster? Market responding or a bureaucrat allocating resources?

Idiot.

>>533510273
>1) Buying more advertising
>2) Advertising lies to gain a competitive edge (no government to regulate them)
>3) Using wealth to stop people from finding out about those lies (online bots that spam review sites or social media bots affirming the lies and discrediting those that call out those lies)
It's laughable that you think this compares to government abuse

>4) Buying private armies to enforce what they want (no, boycotting will not work here)
Why do you think they're not doing that right now and overthrowing governments and just taking everyone's money, without even having to sell anything?

>>533510378
You don’t even understand what "until the market eventually responds" means.

I am done here. You argue like a 12 year old.
The only thing you managed to convince me about is that age verification is probably a good thing to keep kids like you off the internet.

>>533509175
>without universal coverage people get less preventative care because they don't want to pay out of pocket, which leads to more serious (and much more expensive) health problems later
That's the story they tell you but actually Americans are just extremely fat. That's why they have serious health problems later.

>>533510506
i am extremely tired of explaining things to leftists, why dont you explain something to me for once? maybe you unironically know something that i dont. maybe im jaded and assuming everyone is a retard and you arent.

>>533509796
>it's only a free market if I can choose not to buy or buy less
that's not the definition of a free market
the choice which must be available is always understood in a negative sense. but apparently pajeets such as yourself find it hard to distinguish between negative and positive freedoms (which are nothing but entitlement)
>you can't choose not to have a heart attack
true and irrelevant
>if you're sick, you're not a customer
why?
>sick people need the government to step in and regulate forms of health care extortion.
it's not extortion to ask for remuneration for your product or service so long as aggression isn't involved.
>lower drug prices are possible if you remove granted monopolies
i.e. if you make the market freer of state intervention. congratulations, you've discovered capitalism.

>>533508651
You answered yourself : REGULATED

>>533509945
Y-Yeah, anon! That's it! They have a free market heaven. T-That's good, right? I-I am confused anon, what's wrong with that?

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>>533510486
I didnt say it was comparable to government abuse. I am using these to counter your claim that “private companies cant manipulate anything in a free market because it cant enforce laws”

>Why do you think they're not doing that right now and overthrowing governments and just taking everyone's money, without even having to sell anything?
Because governments, already having armies, would stop them

>>533509477
>some of you should just accept that your ability to process information is limited, and accept that the "incomprehensible" things smart people say may actually be true even if you don't get it.
checked

>>533509974
The impersonal and objective free market you envision doesn't exist, it is always colored by the interests of it's participants. It doesn't matter whether it's government intervention or private economic action, the result of Jewish and Jew-aligned actors will ALWAYS be a net-negative to you my dear goyim. The truly wise don't subscribe to any form of economic dogma, they play for their team. You regulate when regulation benefits you, you liberalize when liberalization benefits you.

>>533509796
1000% true

>>533510914
government controls it by force. that is the difference.
>jews
oh... you're one of those paid bots..

>>533510838
you tell me, you're the one who doesn't want to get medical treatment there

>>533510847
Ok good point ngl.

However, take the housing market as an example. Imagine if the situation was reversed, free market, no licenses required to make a home, more homes available, MUCH lower prices and going lower, but!! Some building companies use false advertising and peddle lies on social media. Which do you think is better for young people looking to buy a home?

Btw false advertising as in straight up scam would also not be acceptable in a free market, for the same reason robbing someone would be profitable and some people want to do it, but it wouldnt be allowed.

>>533511028
B-b-but anon, I am not sick... Why would I get medical treatment in Somalia if I don't even need it?

>>533510978
>government controls it by force. that is the difference.
basically

>>533508696
you mean JEWS?
bothsidesism pussies out when confronted with the real underlying problem both sides have

>>533508651
this in not pure capatilism.
lobbying (bribery) is allowed here because of a corrupt idea that corporations are people and money is speech.

>>533510273
>no government to regulate them
fraud can still be punished in a completely free market through collection agencies, private courts, and the such.
>buying private armies to enforce what they want
ignoring the possibility of private production of defense in protection of property rights through insurance agencies and related contractors, the fact that aggressors must be by definition blacklisted by insurers, thus leaving such aggressors to fend for themselves while everyone who plays by the rules benefits from reduced direct defense costs. and so on.
https://www.mises.ch/library/Hoppe_PrivateProductionOfDefense.pdf

>>533510978
Any contract that cannot be backed up by force is a suggestion and suggestions can be ignored.

>>533511490
what an idiot

>>533511490
there's a difference between a contract convened voluntarily without use or threat of force, and a contract convened involuntarily with the threat or use of force in the form of aggression (infringement of negative rights). both involve the possibility of the use of force, but simply involving force doesn't make the same thing. one example infringes negative rights through force, the other doesn't.

Yes what we really need is techno-feudalism

>>533511051
If there were no regulations on building homes, for example, building contractors would not have to build things to code, zoning laws, or aesthetic standards. They would use paint with lead, asbestos insulation, et cetera.
Government oversight is necessary in pretty much every industry to prevent exploitation of the consumer.

>>533511541
Says the utopian dumbass.
>>533511587
Ahh and your assumption is that absence of government will prevent you from being forced into a contract you don't like. Which is a silly assumption for two reasons. The first is that private individuals are perfectly capable of extorting you without a state framework, the second is that you're assuming that government isn't inevitable and that power will never accrete. The salient element here isn't freedom, it's power and in fact one's level of freedom directly correlates with the amount of power one possesses.

>>533509575
Capitalism works great until governments of any kind get involved.

>>533510273
No. Not at all.

The only real threat of corporations growing too large is them creating artificial scarcity. If they control all or most of a thing, they can set the price as they see fit or buy out competition.

>>533512092
>your assumption is that absence of government will prevent you from being forced into a contract you don't like
it's my assumption that the government uses aggression to extract resources from its subjects. I don't claim that the absence of one aggressor would forever end all aggression. I have never claimed that.
also point is to be made about "aggression" here which isn't the same thing as "forced into a contract you don't like" since one could be forced by nature into a contract he doesn't like, and I don't see that as unjust. to say otherwise would be to claim that there's no distinction between entitlement and right.
so, no, you just built a strawman.
>government is inevitable
there have been examples of societies which endured without a monopoly on the use of force funded through theft, so in this sense, empirical evidence shows that a government isn't necessary inherently. besides, your argument seems close to the idea that you shouldn't jail thieves because whether you jail them or not, thieves will continue to exist.

>>533508651
regulatory capture / deregulation. Capitalism works when criminal behavior is regulated.
Trump has dismantled every consumer protection body and removed every regulation possible.

>>533511980
look man you're right actually, some government regulations are unironically good. but we have a massive problem of government abuse, so anyone who can think is logically angry with them and want them to do less and leave people alone.

im pretty sure people would not buy homes made with lead paint and asbestos insulation, and builders would not make homes that people would then not want to buy, but even still, like i said, i understand regulations against this, i am not criticizing that, that's something governments are doing right unironically.

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>>533510204
Every valid metric of Healthcare is better in the US. Lower wait times, better outcomes, and medical innovation.

As far as cost is concerned, most of your Healthcare is subsidized by the US, and you still pay higher taxes for it.

>>533512543
Regulators work to protect established corporations and punish newcomers.

>>533512608
They just wouldn’t tell you what building materials they used because they’re not obligated to by any law.
Would every home owner be expected to pay out of pocket to have the materials in their home analyzed by an inspector? In the US, home inspectors are already corrupt even with regulations. I couldn’t even imagine how bad it would be if they were given free rein.

>>533512623
>As far as cost is concerned, most of your Healthcare is subsidized by the US, and you still pay higher taxes for it.
retard

>>533512623
>Every valid metric of Healthcare is better in the US. Lower wait times, better outcomes, and medical innovation.
this is probably not the case considering americans keep complaining about healthcare, despite being a big capitalist and wealthy country that could definitely do better, even socialized healthcare in spain is probably better, because here, it sucks and we're socialist, poor and pathetic sure, but at least, you never pay, there's no waitlist if something is an emergency, the ER is typically a few hours of wait, you can see a family doctor in a week or two and a specialist in 1-3 months. not great but at least its somewhat functional.

>>533512769
ok then we wouldnt buy the ones that don't say it, because there would be more homes and lower prices, it wouldnt be like a boomer saying "1 million for a home full of lead, i know what i got"

>>533512608
>>533511980
Two valid views and points. People need to be able to trust that products are safe.... Sometimes government needs to dovsomething, sometimes the market does. For instance some "safe" products according to the government are actually fucking terrible, and people still vote with their wallets. I have nearly completely cut out high fructose corn syrup. I lost 40 lbs in 5 months, just using cane sugar stuff.

The capitalists are the ones who bribed the government to pass those regulations, idiot. When conservatives cry for "small government" what they really mean is "I want a big government I have no say in".

>>533513000
you are dumb as fuck ngl, ok capitalism can turn into socialism if it goes wrong, that doesnt mean socialsm is better

Okay you're framing it terms of aggressor/victim dichotomy which is heavy handed and ignores nearly all nuance, okay fine. Okay even if that's true, then does it not logically follow that being the aggressor is better than being the victim? That the optimal move it to maximize your position within the aggressor hierarchy rather than impotently wish that there was no aggression? Once again the point you ignore that it's all about power and freedom is just a reward of power.

>>533512467
>there have been examples of societies which endured without a monopoly on the use of force funded through theft, so in this sense, empirical evidence shows that a government isn't necessary inherently.
You're almost certainly stretching definitions but even if I take that statement at face value, where are these so-called societies now? Lack of government is a temporary phenomena. The whole anarcho-capitalist idea is just another kind of wishful thinking and ironically enough just the reverse side of the same coin that communism is minted on. Both ideologies reduce all of human existence to mere economics and claim that by blunt application of a dogmatic economic extreme will fix everything.

>>533512839
That’s good and all, but realize that land is a finite resource and all plots of land are not created equally. Some land is intrinsically more valuable because of its proximity to desirable locations like big cities, beaches, et cetera. If somebody wants to live near their job so they don’t have to commute an hour, they have much fewer options because all the land is already developed, sometimes by the same corporation.
Just look at corporations like BlackStone and Berkshire Hathaway, they are gobbling up property all over the US and are edging out private homebuyers. This would only get worse in the “free market” system of no government regulations.

>>533512813
Look up the actual numbers. The US is only scoffed at over price. We do have some overburdened areas due to population increases, but that usually only lasts a short time.

We have around a 30% better cancer survival rate. That matters because it's an indicator of every metric combined. Including cost, because it's better for every demographic.

I agree with you on the rest of your posts. Also, fuck Germans.

>>533513087
ok you are actually not wrong, i have to admit, just a couple things:

the big investment funds cant buy up all or most of the land people want to live in, that's too much, thats like saying they can buy up all the land people can cultivate food in. what they are hoarding is homes that the government allowed to be built, or land they allow homes to be built on, because that's a very scarce and exclusive resource that only gains value

meaning (should be obvious but just in case), it wouldnt be a problem without those permit requirements

you'll get over lolbert-ism

they're not your friends

>>533513504
You sure? How will I get over it exactly?

I can see myself becoming less radicalized if the government stops the abuse, sure.

>>533513599
theyre the same

the government is not separate from the financial order, it is its armed wing, they all agree that they are against you

>>533508651
Capitalism is perfectly compatible with excessive regulation
You're confusing "capitalism" with "free market"

>>533513074
>dichotomy aggressor victim
no.
>does it not logically follow
it doesn't. because there's the even better choice of being neither aggressor nor victim.
>impotently wish there was no aggressor
not being an aggressor doesn't imply you are defenseless from aggression.
>you're almost certainly stretching definitions
I am not
>where are they
usually end due to encroachment of statism. see for example cospaia which endured for 4 centuries, or Acadia, or the early far west, or medieval iceland, and so on. that is to say, production of defense can be privatized.
>b-but they have fallen
again just because a good system can be subverted by bad actors, it doesn't mean we should prefer the state of subversion where said bad actors are in control. we should instead pursue the good system, even if the possibility of it being attacked exist.
>the reverse of communism
the closer we get to the anarcho capitalist society, the better off people are, and that's empirically shown. the closer we get to full socialism, the worse off people are in relative terms.
>will fix everything
from the libertarian point of view that's not what it is trying to do. It's simply trying to remove an undue burden.
your analysis is incredibly shallow. midwit tier.

>>533513860
capitalism implies free market you absolute mongrel

>>533513766
WHAT? R-Really? Oh my god! This changes everything!

You mean that Amazon, which sells at a loss when a competitor is better, is the same as the government, which mandates that their friends' competitors have to close shop, and BOTH ARE AGAINST ME? oh no!!

>>533508651
regulation is communistic

>>533513962
no, its amancio ortega and ayusos boyfriend

>amazon
try rothschild

>>533508651
> immensely regulated
> capitalism

kys, retard. You are too stupid to live.

crazy how this post got the pajeet spambots so worked up

>>533508651

>capitalism
>immensely regulated

You can't have capitalism with too much regulation, because capitalism is all about the free movement of capital to get lots of competition.

You have answered your own question. In the US prices are too high because of regulatory capture because people voted for that, because boomers own homes and have free healthcare and vote for their interests and young people don't, because they are stupid and listen to people like you on the internet.

Big pharma captured the state to put regulation in place so it doesn't have to compete in a capitalist free market and home owners put lots of red tape in place to stop new cheap housing from being built so the prices of their homes will go always up.

>>533508651
Reminder to all the posts after the Op that this is made by an 18 year old 1st year uni dude that has had his first year of economics. Please do not pay him any attention. The Spanish /pol/iticians know him and make fun of him.

>>533513944
No it doesn't. Free market doesn't exist and can't exist. It's not absent of cohersion in any way.

>>533514572
Reminder to everyone seeing this comment that it's from an idiot from a group of spanish flag posters who bully me because they have gotten together and decided by majority consensus that stupid views are actually correct, and complicated things they dont understand are lies

>>533514049
>try rothschild
why?

>amancio ortega and ayusos boyfriend
big difference between the two ngl

>>533514793
>why?
because i said so

youre over here overdosing on rallo you dont even have a clue

>>533508787
What is a "free market"? Establishing ownership requires an apparatus to enforce ownership rights which involves police, and a legal system all of which have to be paid by someone and accepted by the majority. If anything it's even more of an artifice than an overtly hierarchical government.

>>533508651
>Socialism is when regulation
>Capitalism is when no regulation
Bet you really thought you cooked with this one, huh?

>>533512340
>No not at all
No argument lmao.

>>533514875
>because i said so
peak midwit

>>533514922
Yup. Still do btw.

>>533514707
just because you don't know what free market means, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>533515053
i am le smert
i luv exxon, jp morgan, and pfizer, i wish they would just let them blacken the oceans, have debt-slaves, and experiment on my baby

ya ok bud

>>533511150
Oh, the poor, miserable ultra rich, being coerced and mindwashed by the jew into being evil
If only we just removed all the jews, then ultra rich would miraculously convert and stop destroying the human race

>>533515080
Ok, retard.

>>533508651
reminder that economics is all made up garbage. you can slap whatever label you want on your system, it doesn't matter.

>>533515087
Capitalism means private control of production.
Capitalism does not imply free markets.
In fact, most of the time capitalists are the ones pushing for regulation, to keep competition out.

>>533509232
>private property rights enforced by the state are communism!
I agree comra-er... I mean fellow based individualist free market enjoyer! Down with the dictatorship of the bourgeoisi...I mean nanny state regulators!

>>533515391
>communism and capitalism are the same bro
>its all just the jews bro, labels dont matter
peak midwit

>>533515407
>most of the time capitalists are the ones pushing for regulation, to keep competition out
they do this because it benefits them, if they were the ones trying to compete, or the customers who want the best price and product, they would support the free market, but they are hypocrites so they support government favors if they beneft them at the expense of everyone else

>>533515679
>government bad
>unless it's to enforce my fictional "right" to "own" an idea
do you toddlers even listen to yourselves?
or just copypaste from the chatbot and go back to sipping your dumb fuck juice?

>>533515209
ok so i guess since big corps can do wrong, lets regulate everything, let bureaucrats abuse us, make homes unaffordable as fuck and make everyone poor, there's no middle ground, right?

>>533515861
i keep telling you its the same

the same people own and control it all, including the sanchez you love to hate

>>533515773
>they do this because it benefits them, if they were the ones trying to compete, or the customers who want the best price and product, they would support the free market
I wonder who's going to tend to have more political power:
- large, rich, established companies who already control a market
- individual consumers and upstart small businesses

Good thing our political system doesn't allow for big money influence.

>>533515407
private property implies right to alienate the good. if you have the right to alienate the good and the right to not alienate the good it implies you can freely (free from aggression) decide to trade it at whatever terms you think are acceptable and so is the other party with his own property.
>capitalists are the ones pushing for regulations
this issue is caused by the Marxist confusion of using the word capitalist both to indicate the ideology and private property owners.
so capitalists qua ideological capitalits aren't pushing for regulations which infringe on negative rights. the fact that industrialists try to take advantage of something, doesnt make said action compatible with capitalism as a system of production.

>>533508651
You're selling the police ball to a black teen.
Most the retards on /pol/ are masochistic slaves to billionaires.
They sucked up all that juicy state sponsored propaganda growing up and can't fathom a state with a government that has it's citizen's livelihoods in mind.
They're perfectly content with being second-class citizens if it means they can be blissfully ignorant of the fact they're in a class war instead of a race war.

>>533515940
ok and i already responded when you said that, i'll give a serious answer this time

if anyone who is rich and controls means of production has to be well connected to the government, that would point to a high degree of socialism, so that's a problem i am against. fortunately its bad but not literally like that.

we need a government that is LESS involved with the economy so that if anyone is rich its because people want to buy their stuff vs competitors that can legally operate, and can pay people enough to compete with all the competitors that also want workers, and then the govt doesn't steal a big chunk of the payment. this is the perfect economic system to me.

>>533515984
neither of those should have political power, that's the point idiot

>>533516342
spain-->eu
eu-->un
un-->allies
allies-->usa
usa-->israel
israel-->rothschild


muh socialism, muh taxes
its not real, its for stupid people to be confused

>>533516640
>capitalism is the same as communism bro
>nothing is real, its all a scam bro
>north korea is the same as south korea bro

>>533516033
>so capitalists qua ideological capitalits aren't pushing for regulations which infringe on negative rights. the fact that industrialists try to take advantage of something, doesnt make said action compatible with capitalism as a system of production.
in other words, capitalists (people who own things) push for regulation while capitalist simps on the internet (that's you) pretend that all regulation is communism.
do I have that right?

>>533516492
yes, how silly of me - your specific, perfect form of capitalism has never been tried.

>>533508651
So you would just give full power to the people lying, cheating, stealing, exploiting and literally raping children with no way to push back. My but you really are a specimen aren't you.

>>533516674
yes

>>533516712
Yes, you have it exactly right. Rich people push for the same thing as you but somehow you think we are "muh bootlickers".

Rich people prefer to just be granted money by force rather than sell things people want over their competition, who would've thought?

>>533516712
My "specific perfect form of capitalism" hasnt been tried, but the closer to it an economy is, the better it is. We don't have to try the perfect form, knowing what to try to get close to would already be pretty good.

>>533516849
venga ahora a opositar

OP's still on layer 2 where he thinks big business and big government are distinct entities working in opposition to each other

>>533516900
y tu a emprender

>>533508710
yeah he is, we don't live in a capitalistic society, we live in a post giga-corporate-monopoly society
you can't have an unsound fake currency backed by nothing and call it 'captial' it's fake and not real capital so it isn't capitalism

>>533508651
>not a problem in China
>not a problem in China
>not a problem in China
0/3

>>533516873
>Rich people push for the same thing as you
Ah yes, of course. Regulations preventing child labor and wholesale environmental destruction are the same thing, spiritually, as regulations designed to stifle competition and create monopolies.
All regulations are exactly the same.
And they all make baby Jesus cry.

Because this capitalism isn't a real free market. It's a Jewish ochlocraty. Remove the Jew and his false teachings from the equation and we can easily strike 90 % of economic and labour regulation out of existence because it will not be needed any more.

>>533516712
no you have that wrong because you're a dishonest state sponsored indian.
I say it is true that people (industrialists) who do push for regulations to cut their competition thus attempting to dismantle the capitalist system exist. at the same time there are also industrialists who do the opposite and most notably, those who are attempting to compete, often the smaller industrialists.
there are producers and non-producers who try to take advantage of the state.
>pretend all regulation is communism
which isn't what was said. regulations by definition bring us closer to socialism.
but regardless of your pathetic attempt to move the goalpost, your original point (namely that "capitalism doesn't imply free market") has no ground to stand on.

>>533517098
If by socialism you mean the socialism they have in china, i actually agree ngl

>>533516997
Con el pp-psoe no es muy viable que digamos

>>533517107
That's the thing. To you, the government has to have all the power. You don't see a way around that, you can't think outside of that. The government has to have all the say and dictate everything, there's no alternative possible.

And then to you, capitalism vs communism means the government dictating in favor of some over others, capitalism is when they are bad dictate in favor of big business, socialism is when they are good and dictate in favor of the people and take from businesses to give to the people. Right?

This is the view all of the stupid people, cvckservatives included, have. It's wrong for two reasons. First, there is an alternative: For the government to not dictate as much in the economy. To have the free market as an ideal and try to get close to the extent that's possible. And second, because the government can't just "dictate in people's favor and give them money from the rich so everyone's happy", this wouldn't work out because a centralized economy is so inefficient for production that everyone is poor when its tried, and because the bureaucrats dictate wouldn't necessarily be the best for you, as they may, for example, dictate a diet that is different from what people would vote for with their wallet, and also because bureaucrats usually dont even have the best intentions, and unlike capitalists in a free market, they dont even have to try to do a good job in order to stay in business.

>>533517532
aznar esta nombrado en las listas epstein
el noruego , segundo al mando de la internacional socialista (que sanchez preside) esta nombrado en las listas de epstein

epstein admite que trabaja para los rothschild

lo primero que hace milei es decir cuanto ama a los judios, irse a israel a besar el muro

los judios admiten que fueron los responsables de la revolucion rusa

washington era mason

aqui no se escapa ni el tato

>>533517985
es que tio te centras demasiado en etiquetas, en personas, en ideologias, y no ves los principios y las ideas

independientemente de todo eso, de aznar, epstein, los judios, etc, es un hecho que esto funciona asi:

economia dirigida 100% por burocracia: una puta mierda
economia dirigida 100% por el libre mercado: iria como un tiro

eso no quita que hayan casos en los que la intervencion del gobierno esta bien, o que hayan casos en los que, con malas intenciones, se creen regulaciones para beneficiar a sus amigos o a sus votantes (boomers que poseen vivienda), o adjudiquen contratos publicos a dedo, y no se pueda evitar. entonces no se puede tener el libre mercado perfecto, pero hay que tenerlo como una idea a la que intentar aproximarse.

a ti te gusta que la vivienda tenga los precios que tiene? que haya paro? que la mayoria de gente sea pobre? que los precios vs sueldos suban mas y mas?

eres de los bobos que culpan a los empresarios de eso? que incluso cuando te explican que lo hace el gobierno, dices "bueno es que los empresarios controlan el gobierno" joder es que es de ser muy bobo. de verdad no ves que el gobierno tiene que hacer menos, contratar menos, recaudar menos, gastar menos, sacar menos leyes, y todo iria mejor?

>>533517532
>the government has to have all the power
In the world we actually live in, governments do have all of the power to do violence.
Any path towards a different world (better or worse) must necessarily start in the world we actually occupy.

>First, there is an alternative: For the government to not dictate as much in the economy
Who gets to decide which regulations are good and which are bad?
Right now, that decision is made by capital-owners who bribe the government to enforce their private property "rights" while stripping any protections for workers and the environment.
Great system.

>>533518394
que todo eso esta genial

pero que no hablamos de aldeas, campesinos y vacas

la familia rothschild controla el mundo como la familia medici controlaba venecia

a traves del banco

lo controlan todo, las empresas y los gobiernos

para ellos es todo lo mismo, porque todo es suyo, comunismo-capitalismo llamalo como quieras, el asunto es controlarte a ti

>>533518487
>In the world we actually live in, governments do have all of the power to do violence.
>Any path towards a different world (better or worse) must necessarily start in the world we actually occupy.
Ok and when it comes to the economy, they could do less, spend less, pass less laws, require less permits and licenses for things, require less taxes, and everything would be better, i think that's a reasonable opinion.

>>533518487
>Right now, that decision is made by capital-owners who bribe the government to enforce their private property "rights" while stripping any protections for workers and the environment.
Well, any decision coming from those bribes is probably bad, I think that's a reasonable start.

Another reasonable start would be: The less regulations, the better. If it's not inequivocally necessary don't pass it. You need to drop the learned helplessness and imagine a world in which they actually do that.

For example in the EU they're about to mandate removable batteries for phones. KeK. Don't they see that people already voted for the opposite with their wallets? We're going to be back to the times when you drop your phone and the case and battery got detached and it was fucking annoying. And this is just some harmless example.

>>533518664
A traves del banco? Hmm que banco? Venga campeon que ya casi lo tienes.

>>533518778
todos

>>533518872
y como hacen eso? como es que no tienen competencia? no hay ni un pequeño banco que no controlen? por contratar ese

>>533518942
igual las cajas rurales mas pequeñas... pero mas alla


tomaron control de las finanzas reales hace varios siglos, establecieron bancos centrales en todos los sitios donde pudieron, y se dedican a imprimir tu dinero

>>533518735
>people already voted for the opposite with their wallets
I don't really remember ever having a choice.
The iphone came along and basically phones never had user-replaceable batteries again.
Planned obsolescence is a thing.
Companies do make shittier products just to force you to buy new ones.
This is actually one of the most studied and talked-about phenomena in modern consumer products.

This is the problem with you libertarians - you live in a fantasy world and ignore any explanation, no matter how obvious, that challenges your contrived notions of how things work.

>>533509115
>just create a billion dollar enterprise from scratch duuuude
Lolbergs will never be not funny.

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>>533508651
Basically the entire methodology of socialism. Create a problem and demand more socialism to fix the problem. Monopolies? Create regulations and fines to prevent small businesses from competing, give government handouts to companies, or even set up monopolies by law, since that service is a "right."

Not to say freedom is without problems, but there is a difference between natural tragedies or friction and man-made atrocities.

>>533519289
it's literally what chinks do producing grey market generics of drugs they don't have patents for. If some random chingchong from some unnamed town in the middle of nowhere in china can do it, why can't you? (you can't because the moment you even think of starting any business involving pharmaceutical, dozens of authorities will try to shut you down for """""safety""""" requirements, ""permits"", ""certificates"", and so on).
even assuming that it would cost in excess of hundreds of millions to compete, given the alleged absurd markups, large firms which salivate over 5% ROI, would jump on the opportunity like hyenas. that was the point i was making. if you're too braindead to get it, it's kind of your problem.

>>533514912
You're right, the only free market is one where I can "steal" from jews and niggers and burn down "their" houses. Only then can we be free from coercion.

>>533519917
>the pharma industry should just be the wild fuckin' west, bro
yeah who cares if your grandma's blood pressure medication gets contaminated with god-knows-what.
safety and permits are for low-t cucks.

>>533517428
capitalism without the free market is crony capitalism. it's also what communism is when it "doesn't work." any regulation whatsoever collapses the free and liberalized market into something else.
socialism with the free market is what china has. companies are barely regulated but capital is tightly controlled.

>>533508651
all of those regulations are a core part of capitalism

>>533520492
forgot to mention. communism that doesn't work is actually capitalism because there are still people who derive personal benefit (the elite class people love to rag on communism for) from the means of production. the capital just doesn't exist in a free market.

>>533508651
Capitalism is regulation, just regulation to help Jews

>>533520161
if something you buy doesn't correspond to what was agreed upon, that's just fraud, and it's not good business, and circles back to private property rights enforcement, which was discussed above, but wasn't the point even.
it seems that either the scare-tactics bigpharma employed to convince people that thousands of regulations which in practice enable only already established companies to produce in the pharmaceutical sector, worked on you, or you're a paid actor trying to spread such lies.

>>533520492
>capitalism without the free market is
capitalism cannot be without the free market. it's like saying dry water.
the rest of your point is just cope and retardation.
idk who's paying you, but they should get a refund. youre not convincing at all.
A socialist system by definition cannot have a free market. capitalism and free market aren't disjointed.

>>533519129
Es que eso te estoy intentando decir... Si imprime dinero el sector privado, obviamente se consideraría falsificación. Imprimen dinero porque son el gobierno, o puestos a dedo por el gobierno.

Una caja rural pequeña también va a depender del banco central.

>>533520654
there's this ridiculous tendency of your kind to call anything other than your unreachable system "capitalism", to the point where your kind would even call maoist china "capitalist" because your kind has incredibly lax definition of capitalism and extremely narrow definition for socialism and communism, thus making any real world example easily fall into the former category and thus leaving the second category free of mistakes (because within your definition it was not and it cannot ever be actuated)

>>533520918
no, los del gobierno son unos pringaos, los rothschild estan varios niveles por encima

>>533519220
It is at least not illegal to make phones with user replaceable batteries. So, while people may not have made a direct choice, and may just have accepted what companies offer, they must not care that much either. Because anyone can offer the alternative.

>This is the problem with you libertarians - you live in a fantasy world and ignore any explanation, no matter how obvious, that challenges your contrived notions of how things work.
No. We are fully aware that in a real free market, society would still have problems. And would even have some problems that the government was solving. But notice what I said: We can know for a fact that people either directly chose this, or accepted it but didnt' care that much. We know that for a fact because it was never imposed by force the way lawmakers can impose things.

>>533520492
>any regulation whatsoever
It's important to define "regulation" here. From a minarchist perspective, the government enforcing contracts between consenting parties is one of the few things it should eisst for. There is an implied contract whenever someone buys something. For instance, if I sell you an apple, there is an implied contract that what I'm selling you is a piece of fruit from a malus domestica tree, and that it will be safe to eat, as apples typically are. If I have coated the apple in poison, I have violated the contract by selling you something other than what I have presented. Therefore there is a basis for limited purity laws. This doesn't prevlude you from buying or selling a poisoned apple if that's how it's advertised, but to sell a poisoned apple as "just an apple" violates the contract.

>>533521041
el gobierno de españa controla el territorio español militarmente, y puede imponer la ley que quiera, y tumbar industrias enteras con una regulación. si ellos realmente no controlan el territorio y hay otros que les puedan imponer decisiones, pues bueno, esos serian el gobierno "real" entonces. que mas da.

>>533521198
pues que son los capitalistas por excelenca

dueños de todo el capital, y consequentemente de todas las concretizaciones de este en cualquier industria

no hay separacion

>>533521454
Vale, es que entonces lo que pasa es que estamos divididos por una cuestión de nombres. Los dos estamos en contra de lo que tu llamas capitalismo, en el fondo estamos de acuerdo. La cuestión es, tu estás de acuerdo con lo que yo llamo capitalismo? Salvo que te guste ser cada vez mas pobre, deberías.

>>533509232
>>533509449
I think he legitimately didn't get the argument;
>Good point, in fact, now that you mention it, no one has a choice, since everyone has basic needs, sick or not.
Nobody's talking about basic regular needs. If you get stabbed by a Muslim with a knife and you're bleeding out, you have zero practical ability to do any market research, compare prices, shop around or do anything that would come close to constituting a rational consumer decision. You are dying and you need help right now. Food does not in practice have these same pressures applied to it, but medicine often does, which is why that's an extremely dumb comparison to draw. Even if you are going to starve it takes a long time. You can die from blood loss in a few minutes.

A good comparison is to firefighting. In America firefighters were once private companies operated for profit. This led to terrible practices because fire is an acute problem as well. Firefighters would haggle while someone's house was burning down and they would allow fires to proceed if they weren't paid, which often led to fires spreading. Socializing firefighting has made them much more effective. And firefighters themselves are far from poor slaves despite not being privately operated.

Not all of medicine is about acute problems, much of it is chronic and those parts can have legitimate market forces in them. But a fair bit of medicine is acute problems where there is no meaningful ability to shop around.

The issues with medicine and perverse incentives go further though; for-profit insurance is maybe the only business where you get paid for a service that you can plausibly deny providing, making a terrible incentive to take the money and then not provide the service. Further, chronic issues are more profitable when they remain chronic, creating an incentive to maintain sickness rather than create health.

The market isn't magic. It's just a tool.

>>533521667
estamos divididos por una cuestion de comprension

tu estas atascado en el pescadero crujido a impuestos

y yo te estoy hablando del sistema politico internacional donde el pescadero y el impositor no importan

>>533517019
capital was always fiction. private property is a construct. yes its still capitalism.

>>533520891
>if something you buy doesn't correspond to what was agreed upon, that's just fraud
yeah, your dead granny can just leave a negative yelp review for the pharma company so others don't make the mistake of buying their tainted wares.

>>533521057
>We can know for a fact that people either directly chose this, or accepted it but didnt' care that much
Most shitty things that companies do aren't even a matter of public information.
Companies go to great lengths to hide some of the shitty things they do, including (but not limited to):
>Spying on consumers
>Murdering whistle-blowers
>Poisoning communities with toxic waste
>Slavery

It's like arguing with a 12 year old whose whole political and economic education consists of one 20-minute PraegerU video and a few years of listening to his drunk dad bitch about "libruls"

>>533508787
>Private businesses can't manipulate anything as they can't enforce laws.
Holy fucking retard. Some 98% of laws are passed at the behest of private business lobbyists. All modern "democracies" have been captured by billionaires. I am not a commie but this is an obvious and well-known fact that everyone on a politics board should be aware of.

>>533508651
>US
>Regulations
Good one

>>533522041
>moving the goalpost again
as said, that is a matter for private production of defense and how one would collect damages from breach of contracts, and as I pointed out, private courts are a thing, insurance agencies also are a thing, and so on.
but you left that argument earlier when it became apparent you are incapable of arguing your points.

>>533522050
ok, you're just arguing in bad faith here, or you're retarded. or both.

>>533521840
you can do the research beforehand, idiot. either way, most healthcare regulation and socialization is certainly not just "dont charge a million a day for a hospital bed to a guy who's bleeding out"

>>533521851
joder tio, que listo eres, estas por encima del pescadero y del impositor, has trascendido a otro nivel de conocimiento, para darte cuenta de que corea del norte y del sur son lo mismo, porque vivimos en matrix y nada importa, no?

si piensas que da igual cuba que singapur, corea del norte o del sur, cobrar tu sueldo entero o la mitad, pagar 400 o 1000 euros de alquiler, porque vivimos en matrix, entonces que mas te da este tema?

>>533522050
by the government, not by them, you fucking RETARD

"holy fucking retard batman!" and then you proceed to say the most midwit simple minded thing imaginable

>>533522041
two of the things you said companies do are illegal, and libertarians have no problem with that being prohibited and prosecuted

of the other two, the toxic waste one is not so straight forward, but if you ask me, i would support that being regulated against to a reasonable extent, and regarding spying, customers can vote with their wallet against that if they find out, and if they don't know how would the government know?

this is so tiring

meanwhile the government
>homes have to be more and more expensive
>prices keep increasing relative to wages due to the central bank
>they take most of your wage
good luck voting with your wallet against that

>>533522247
si los comunistas responden a los rothschild y los capitalistas responden a los rothschild, pues si, es lo mismo

en korea no hay norkoreanos y surkoreanos, hay koreanos invadidos por rusia y koreanos invadidos por estados unidos, y los dos tiene el mismo jefe

>>533522487
bueno venga pues te voy a dar una respuesta que se sale del marco del matrix en el que vivimos: prohibir la banca central, y problema "rothschild" solucionado

que crees que habria que hacer para conseguir eso?

>>533522200
>private courts are a thing
get a load of this retard.

>>533522451
fun fact: the USSR had negligible income tax.

>>533522706
ahora estamos hablando
no se

>>533515211
the "top 1%" of US earners is still 3.5 million people, and 1.4 million of those are Jews.
the ultra rich aren't being "coerced by" Jews, they ARE Jews

>>533522823
de la misma manera que yo tampoco se como se podria conseguir que españa deje de ir por el camino que va, en general. pero que no se sepa como conseguirlo no quita que podamos debatir sobre que politica economica seria mejor.

que quitar la banca central seria algo positivo, cosa que admites, es un ejemplo mas de como el gobierno (o quien sea que gobierne en la sombra detras de ellos, no quiero volver a entrar en eso) deberia hacer menos, regular menos, recaudar menos, gastar menos, contratar menos, y en general, dejar a la gente en paz, que hay cosas que hacen bien, pero ahora mismo son un problema inmenso

>>533522801
>fun fact: the USSR had negligible income tax.
fun fact: dont care, there's many ways to dictate and control the economy

>>533522801
>no argument at all
hmmm yes the bot is botting...

>>533522247
>you can do the research beforehand, idiot.
Before...getting stabbed? I don't get why you can't concede these point. It's just unreasonable.

"Shopping" medical coverage in America is a highly overrated phenomenon anyway. Over half of Americans rely on their employer for health insurance, meaning they have 0 input on who it is or what the terms are. It's just whatever you happen to get from the job you can manage to keep. And the idea that after getting stabbed you might have to worry about which hospital you can go to for covered care is absurdity incarnate.

Regulation also gets treated over-simplistically in debates like this. Certainly many regulations could go, but private industry also loves many regulations. Large companies can comply with regs with relative ease, small companies often cannot, so regulatory burden protects large established companies from competition. So we get this song and dance that regulations represent evil government despite evil business being just as happy about them and often volunteering for them. The age verification push for operating systems right now is an example of that. Apple/Google/Windows are happy to have that regulation passed, they can comply with it and they know that Linux programmers, who compete with them for market share, will have a lot of difficulty complying. Maybe that takes Linux off the board, but even if it just makes their lives much harder, that's also a win.

>>533523328
i conceded many times that there's things governments do that are actually good and that not all regulation is bad, that would, i guess, if this became a real problem, include this

you're focusing on some edge case instead of discussing fundamental ideas

>"Shopping" medical coverage in America is a highly overrated phenomenon anyway
dont care, medicine in america is highly regulated and not an example of a free market

>private industry also loves many regulations
doesnt matter

>>533523320
Right, economics is all bullshit.
What's not bullshit is that communism leads to longer, better quality lives.
>Chinese average life expectancy was around 33 years old for 150 years
>Since 1949, life expectancy has risen to over 80 years
>Similar trend in Russia

Meanwhile the collapse of communism across eastern europe shortened average life expectancy.

>>533523321
Go tell the private police to arrest me and try me in a private court, bitch.

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>>533508787
You’re a dumb brown apefrican monkey nigger engaging in magical thinking. If I have more money, resources, and weapons than you, then in a completely free market I can coerce you into doing whatever I want.

You magical free market niggers are just as dumb and naive as the teenage communists advocating for price fixing, because you think you’ve found a single simple list of universal rules that will solve all of societies problems and everyone else is just too dumb to see it. Reality check: most persistent problems are complicated and hard to solve no matter what your ideology is, the magic wand you think you found in Atlas Shrugged doesn’t exist. If you really want to understand the world, read non-ideological, rigorous books on game theory, economics, price elasticity, social network modeling, etc. Not ideological bullshit trying to sell you something or make you feel smart.

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>>533510486
> Goalpost shifting
You were wrong, your childish magic wand meme ideology is wrong. Read a book with equations and charts instead of rhetoric in it you dumb brown ape.

>>533523578
if by socialism you mean the socialism they have in china, i actually agree with you. its not an ideal free market, but it makes sense, and its working out and doing great

>>533523607
no you cant because its supposed to be non violent, retard

you're trying to turn this into a typical libertarian debate, and i am merely pointing out that governments these days are a HUGE problem, and should do LESS, that's it. we dont have to have a libertarian anarcho capitalist utopia, just to be left alone a bit

>>533523682
you're fucking retarded, legit very low cognitive abilities ngl

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>>533523574
> Real free markets have never been tried!
> Real communism has never been tried?

Tell me why I shouldn’t just conclude that both of these are internally inconsistent self-destructive ideologies that can’t be executed in practice because they are incompatible with human nature and lead to their own immediate decay into a higher entropy system?

>>533523729
> It’s supposed to be nonviolent!
Define violence. Explain who enforces nonviolence and how you make sure they can’t be corrupted by money and politics. You don’t get to declare your political system problem-free by fiat, you have to actually argue convincingly that your claims follow from your premises.

>>533523816
IDIOT!!!

there's a difference, free markets actually work better the closer you get to them

communists claim it hasnt been tried for real, but when its attempted, it goes awfully and goes worse the closer to real communism it is

>>533508651
What kind of healthcare was there in the 1700's? Adam smith wanted highly decentralized public schooling but when you ask AI about it it says he essentially advocated for a welfare state

>>533523949
I don’t believe you. Mostly because you refuse to define free markets, refuse to specify exactly how much regulation and in what sectors is acceptable, etc. Your argument is ideological, not evidence or logic based.

>>533523578
as much as I would love to do that, mental retardation isn't a crime under natural law.

>>533523909
look, who cares, this is not related to the point i was trying to make, as i said, but i'll respond anyway

>who enforces nonviolence
a libertarian government that retains law enforcement but implements libertarian ideas for the economy, easy

or if its anarcho capitalism, i think its supposed to be the community as a whole, by determining what is socially accepted, and then enforcement would be private, maybe they could figure something out for the poor idk

>>533524042
what part of "LESS than currently" do you not understand, i dont have to define how much and in what sectors its acceptable, im saying they're certainly going too far

>>533524142
pretty sure there's a sheriff in both cases

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>>533511855

>Why not communist-confederacy?

Like bro; you can totally own the means of production! They're called niggers, and they're called niggers for a reason; and we all deserve to own our fair share of 'em!

>>533524142
That’s not an answer. You need to specify HOW

>>533508787
Fully free market is susceptible to manipulation through natural monopolies. Some markets have prohibitely high upfront cost and first mover advantage so that your typical free market self regulation does not function correctly. In these cases you need state intervention to ensure level playing field so competition can be maintained along with its natural benefits.

>>533523607
>If I have more money, resources, and weapons than you, then in a completely free market I can coerce you into doing whatever I want.
That would violate NAP. You are confusing capitalism with anarchism(not always the same thing)

>>533524460
>we were forced to be a slave economy by england, we're in a highly exploitable region for agriculture, it's a wet butthole and the rivers are choked with logs
>wait you can't farm that's our resources! *rabble rabble rabble*

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>>533524538
fuck this thread, i got commie fatigue

>Fully free market is susceptible to manipulation through natural monopolies. Some markets have prohibitely high upfront cost and first mover advantage so that your typical free market self regulation does not function correctly. In these cases you need state intervention to ensure level playing field so competition can be maintained along with its natural benefits.
ok, my point stands that we need less intervention

and i am not even sure that intervention would be beneficial in this case, as first mover advantage shoudlnt mean its impossible to compete, but admittedly, dont really know

>>533524842
que me he tenido que escapar

sinmas, que pareces buen chaval, por lo menos no nos has venido progre

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