Why can't we have free healthcare?!?!
that money belongs to ISRAEL
>>533533359>Can we please have 24 month waiting lists? Pretty please??
>>533533359Because I dont want to pay for your fat ass.GET A FUCKING JOB!
>>533533359Just don't pay them. An er visit is free In jewmerica they want you to live so you can suffer more anyways
>>533533505>MemeflagBillionaires will pay more ideally. But everytime this almost happens we have shitskins like you who fight it and we get a half assed bill that ends up taxing only the middle class.
>>533533359cuz you have been taught that any amount of social protection is communismin the meantime you still pay 30% federal tax (15% fed tax, 15% employement tax paid by the employer directly)which is equal to many places in europe, and higher in some, like poland (total ~15% tax)and not very far from the most taxed places like my country, which sits around 40%i have free healthcare and education and even can get nigh lifelong welfare
>>533533359it's absolutely amazing how this image and word for word thread has been posted everyday for years ands jannies haven't blocked either.it's almost like they're complicit in the spam, because they are and you're a dirty fucking jew op, that's why
>>533533503>it's either this or a second mortgage for an ER tripwhy is it like thiswhy does the right to maximize profit trump all other rights
>>533533619Why do you want others to pay for your lifestyle? Are you a child? Are you a genetic failure who cant support himself? No one owes you shit. You are not special.
>>533533359because the democrat party cheated against bernie sanders in 2016 when he could have won.if you look at the battleground states and take in to account that 5-10% of trump voters were former sanders voters, sanders takes Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and North Carolina and wins the general electionthe DNC primary frontloading southern states didn't mean jack shit because southern states vote conservative anywaythank the liberal capitalists in control of the democrat party for the timeline we're in
>>533533711because the us of a is not a countryits a corporate enterpriseand youre not a nation but a bunch of atomized individuals
>>533533868>because the us of a is not a country>its a corporate enterprisepretty much
>>533533846welfare without nationalized industries is a budget hole thoughif he didnt have nationalization of metallurgy, energy or transport infrastructure, in any combination thereof+ obligatorily nationalizing the central bankyou actually dodged a bulleteven king solomon in his wisdom cannot pour wine from an empty vessel, as the saying goes
>>533533503>>533533711I don't understand why you think public healthcare must have long waiting lists. I assume it's a meme created from cherry picked horror stories or something.
>>533533711Too many greedy corporations. Not enough Mangiones.
>>533533359because you'd much rather spend 20% of your six-figure salary paying some middleman corporation that will deny you a payout the minute you ask them to cover their contractual obligationsInsurance is a bet against a negative outcome, but even if you win you still lose (premiums).
>>533533935your forefathers exchanged your freedom for a rickety railway.yes, the robber barons were given free reign in exchange for building infrastructurethen they were the financing behind american educationwhich they leveraged to change the american ethos, through the indoctrination they served to your then-elitesthen kikes exploited the corruption channels established in the gilded age and hypercapitalism got turned to 11 because unlike your robber barons, they werent bound to your countryalthough they went slowly about things to milk your society for all its worth
>>533534008who said i don't want industries nationalized? you can also tax the rich and corporations
>>533534067probably because the closest nation with such a system is canada, and they're not a great example of anything everUK's seems to have the waiting list thing as wellbut also, none of the euro nations that have such systems have anywhere near our population level, so if the UK system is clogged, ours likely would be clogged worse>>533534096it's all that all the way up and down here
>>533533619>Tax the rich!!!>WTF why are the rich people I buy stuff from raising the prices?>WtF why is my rent going up?Interesting concept. Hasn't worked in practice though.
>>533533359Go serve in the coast guard and get VA benefits.
>>533533359death is freebut it cost your lifethe sun shines for free...jooos are comical for free....
Why do you keep posting this weak ass bait nigger?
>>533533359Notice how it says "paid in full" and "amount billed $0.00".So they paid nothing except some nominal fee, probably like a couple hundred bucks. Get a life and learn to read tards.
>>533534212>unlike your robber barons, they werent bound to your countryidk how the "corporate personhood" thing ever got fallen forbasically just created immortal citizens with oversized wealth and influence that weren't bound to anything but self-interest
Please sir i need medicine to get to work on time
>>533533359we live like shit so Israel can live in a welfare state
>>533533559I accidentally threw out an ER bill from two years ago because they spelled my name wrong and used an out of state po box for the return address. They're taking me to court and I got served papers over it. So not good advice unless you're a completely homeless nigger.
>>533535106this, "just don't pay it" only works for penniless NEETs living at home or on the streets. Which admittedly is a large percentage of the user base here. In most states, they can win a judgement and snatch anything you have in the financial system, and in some states they can also get your house and/or garnish your wages. If you were to try non-payment, you need to make sure they don't know who you are.
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>>533533711>why is it like thisAsk yourself why the supposedly good people who work in medicine don't do this shit on the side to help humanity.
>>533533359I glad you post this all the time. Genuinely. Even if you only get through to a few people at a time.
>>533534262i made a back of the envelope calculation a while agoif you nationalized all of what i enumerated above you could completely abolish income taxand these measure would protect, and even enhance competitivitybecause the budget is no longer a zero sum game where if you susidize something you need to take from somewhere elseyou can just lower the costs of energy for a sector, or even all of them to enhance competitivity>>533534445hindight is 20/20...but youre still alive, you can still fix thingsand i wouldnt give up if i were youthe alternative is much more terrifying than merely failing, and wasting timeour nations are the only thing we can count ononce we will become declared targets we will have nowhere to hidesociety is not ready for violent actionso the legal route has to be pursued
>>533533359Goys don’t deserve it, only Jews
>>533533836Show your flag kike, bet you’re not even American
>>533533359All of those prices are fake. Hospitals should be required to post their chargemaster rates. On your bill is what the hospital tries to charge insurance before it gets bid down. There is an arms race between insurance and hospitals, so patients never actually see the true cost of healthcare. This sort of video is bait for idiots. More people need to realize this.
>>533533359No country has free healthcare, because there is no such thing
in my country is free, it doesnt matter if you have a job or dont
>>533533359no one has free health care
>>533536736*almost freei got a hand tendon operation that cost 21k on paperended up paying 300 for itin usa that would have been 100k + my left ball i guessand thats after insurance would play out
Reminder that 45% of Americans are on Medicare, Medicaid, or VA benefits. America already has subsidized healthcare for poors, the liars, the lazy, scammers, the elderly, and veterans.The rest of us with private insurance are footing the majority bill thanks to Obamacare.
>>533536849Which is why the quality.of healthcare in Mexico is so bad. Subsidized healthcare is fine if you have the sniffles and need a prescription for antibiotics, not so great if you need a lung transplant.
pay up piggy
>>533533505That’s not how a nationalized healthcare system actually operates. Most countries with “free” healthcare also offer really affordable health insurance as well. American health care costs way more than it should, too many greedy hands in the pot grabbing their share and driving up costs.
>>533533359Because is not free, retard
>>533536939My max out of pocket is 15k and I have high deductible insurance (shit insurance). I once had an ER visit + hospital stay for kidney stones. For a two night stay I was """"billed"""" $76,000. The price I actually paid was $1800 for getting some kidney stones zapped. No one ever a actually goes broke from medical bills in America either because when you are poor enough Medicaid kicks in. Hospital bills in the US are fake. The consumer never sees the real cost of healthcare because Hospitals and insurance companies are constantly Jewing each other and the consumer. I am willing to be that my premiums are less than what you pay in taxes. Of course this is getting much worse because of all the old and illegals,.but you're country has that problem too.Thirdies and boomers must be euthanized.
>>533533359I don't wanna waste my money on your retardation.
>>533533559This is partly why healthcare is so expensive in the first place. If you can afford $50 a month for cigarettes, you can afford to pay $50 a month on your healthcare bills instead.
>>533537552Obamacare really ruined healthcare for young people by getting rid of the market for catastrophic insurance. Now 1.5% of the US federal budget goes to keeping fatties alive on dialysis because no one is allowed to let these burdens with pre existing conditions die.
>>533534067The US has public health care already in the form of the VA hospitals. Its not good. If a larger system was created it would likely have similar shortcomings.
>>533533359Because is le communism xD. Americans are the most brainwashed retards that have ever born. Biggest economy and they dont develop public healthcare for their people.
>>533533359(You) are why you can't have free healthcare
>>533534155>Insurance is a bet against a negative outcomeInsurance for the average person pre-Obamacare worked just like this. It was basically just to cover major incidents like births, accidents, and really bad illnesses like cancer and heart disease. It worked as intended. But then Obama said that chronically ill people could not be denied coverage, so a bunch of people who should have died suddenly got healthcare. What happened? The premiums shot up for the rest of us. Insurance companies are middle men, but their margins are still 1%-2% profit, they make money from volume of customers. What is driving up the cost of healthcare in the United States is a small group of people that would have already passed on are hogging all the resources. And the worst part? They get sent to the front of the line. The reason Luigi got denied back surgery is because some boomer is on his third heart transplant and 400 pound Shaniqua needs dialysis.
>>533534067It's a meme that conservatives repeat so they can trick their retarded followers into thinking that if you aren't paying thousands of dollars at a time you have to wait ten years to see a doctor like in those evil socialist countries like Norway.
>>533538004I don’t have free healthcare. I pay for insurance. But even with insurance, the bills can rack up. Part of the problem is that insurance pays the ridiculous amount requested by the healthcare provider. Why would they take less when insurance will cover it?
I live in the USA. Usually when the brit bongs make fun of us they bring up USA healthcare and how theirs is free. But just how "Free" is brit healthcare? Like where do the cracks start to show if their healthcare is free?
>>533533359Found the nigger.
>>533538425A family member in Japan was on the OR table four hours after she had a stroke. Post care will be a month in the hospital, another few months home care. She’ll probably get billed less than the cost of replacing a couple of dental crowns here.
>>533533359Because we have to subsidize NATO's military defense... supply food & medical aid to Africa... push progressive agendas in the middle east... and of course pay for the free healthcare of migrants. None of this bothers you through right, or are you a sexist racist transphobe misogynists bigot??
>>533533359Because of "people" like this guy and the shareholders he sucked off right to the end.
>>533534212>I've never left mom's commieblock, but let me tell you how your country works.How many hours a day on average do you spend on 4chan seething about the USA in 1BPTI slide threads on 4chan?
>>533537552your prices are insanely inflatedwhen i got operated on i was billed 7k/night before reimbursementbut what to expect?private company = maximizing revenueand thats moral towards the shareholders, its called fiduciary obligationif you want fair prices, healthcare CANNOT be private>>533539251you sound like youre seethinghave a wank, have a walk, have a beer, maybe a ciggie
>>533533359move to israel and you get free healthcare paid for by american tax payers.
>>533533359"Free healthcare" doesn't solve abusive prices and Big Pharma bullshit. And here we generally have private insurance on top of the public healthcare, so we end up paying for both. Does it sound like a good deal to you?
>>533533359A sickly goy is a distracted goy. A distracted goy is a weak goy. A weak goy is a malleable goy. A malleable goy can be made desperate and willing to serve the chosen one's designs for table scraps.They'd make you pay a Jewish tax for breathing their air and their water if that was feasible.
>>533534067Because it's true.Do people with money in your country use public healthcare?I didn't think so, faggot.
The fucked up thing about this entire dystopian jewish system is we are required to get insurance or suffer a tax penalty, and insurance rates have reached a point where they’re simply unaffordable. My last job was charging me 480 a month for insurance, single. The fact I have to give up a significant portion of my paycheck just to keep the IRS from raping me while the government funnels billions of dollars to Israel (a country that has free healthcare) is genuinely the most insane system ever.Anyone who defends this bullshit is either a kike or mentally retarded.
>>533539477>private company = maximizing revenueHospital do Jew everyone. Their margins are higher than insurance companies but still not as bloated as everyone imagines.Healthcare is expensive in the US because:1) it's illegal to deny care to anyone, including people on death's door and illegals 2) people are fat3) people are oldThe problems are systemic. The reason healthcare costs a lot because Americans consume healthcare like we consume Big Macs and there is very little rationing. The "rationing" is done by insurance companies, and their profits aren't really that big. Insurance companies are required by law to prioritize the chronically ill and dying. It doesn't help that people treat ERs here like they are free clinics, and for a lot of people (illegals and poors), the ER is basically free. In Europe, 90 year olds with 4 preexisting conditions don't get premium healthcare. It's accepted that these people should die. In America, an infinite amount of money is spent on the sick and dying while a 20 year old with chronic back pain is told to go to back of the line. Niggers, illegals, and boomers like like KANGZ in the US while, otherwise healthy people are told to suck it up. I'm not simping for insurance companies, this is just reality. Out problems are POLITICAL.
>>533533359The problem in your country is the oligopoly in health insurance. If the market were more open, there would be more options available
>>533540866Post your flag, little man.
>>533540774>It doesn't help that people treat ERs here like they are free clinics, and for a lot of people (illegals and poors), the ER is basically freePeople do that because they can't afford to go to an actual clinic, you fantastic fucking moron.
>>533540866No the problem is overconsumption of healthcare, a generally sickly population, and lack of rationing.
>>533533359Looks like she paid 10%.
First aid stitches should be free at bare minimjm
>>533541510No, it's because most people are too low IQ to manage their own health until it's too late. Also Americans hate being told to stop wolfing down sugary soda and salty/fatty pizza. My brother in law is a GP and is constantly complaining about this. Dumb people are awful at connecting their poor health outcomes to their poor choices. "I have chronic headaches", "My knees hurt", "Why do I have heartburn all the time". All diet related problems that people are unwilling to fix with changes in lifestyle. You cannot fix stupid.
>>533540774>Europe, 90 year olds with 4 preexisting conditions don't get premium healthcare. It's accepted that these people should die.my granpa was sent from belgium to germoney in an ambulance driving 180 km/h because they had a cancer turbo specialist down theretheres no excuse for prices as high as you have em, outside of greedespecially considering you pay european levels of taxes- ~30%yes, you privately pay 15, but your employer pays another 15 directly from your payso its actually 27.775%.but then you also pay state tax.minnesota is 9%oregon- 9.9cali is 13ny/nj is 10vermont/massachusets is 9so for these states you pay around 34% of taxeseverywhere else is around 5 so lets say you pay 30%only florida, texas, and a couple flyover states dont tax revenue (based)yeah, in belgioom its 45% but also you get retirement for that, welfare if something goes wrong, free education, and even subsistence revenue if all else fails. all that for a country of 11M without much in the way of industry, so other sources of revenuestop defending your corpos, anontheyre fucking you in the ass.
>>533541713Have you ever been to an ER recently? It's mostly fat and old people with chronic illnesses and Mexicans with the sniffles.
>>533533711think of the shareholder profits you fucking antisemite
>>533541871Dont make me pay a vet to sew me up when thw times comes
>>533533359Because someone has to pay for the free healthcare of the new Americans brought into the country to replace you and your family.
>>533541954You're probably better off going to an urgent care clinic because if you're a young person with a boo boo you'll be waiting forever in an ER because triage makes it so all the fatties and half dead boomers get seen first. I really cannot reiterate this enough. If you are an otherwise healthy young man, you are basically dirt to the medical system. Pick yourself up the bootstraps, son, because 400 pound Shaniqua and 90 year old Carl are more critical.
>>533541813Americans are extremely uneducated, especially poor ones. Most of them can't even locate a given US state on a map, but you expect them to understand the consequences of consuming endless goyslop.>>533541871In civilized countries, those people go to the regular doctor instead of the ER, because they don't have to pay for it. And they are more likely to seek medical treatment before their condition progresses, meaning better outcomes for them and less expensive treatments for the hospital.
>>533535106Doesn’t affect your credit. Pay it with a credit card then declare bankruptcy.
>>533542144>In civilized countries, those people go to the regular doctor instead of the ERYes, civilized White countries. The problem is that America is a third world country with the pretentions of a rich country. Scandinavian style healthcare is never going to work here because the average person(s) is a short, retarded third world monkey or a dying boomer. Also you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Every single insurance plan covers at least one PCP appointment per year. Literally everyone is covered either through private insurance or Medicaid.
>>533538929It’s free now after he got killed? Insurance companies are the problem? Why not the fucking hospitals? Oh, I know, it is because of the hospital workers union — good Democrat voters. Your logic should be to shoot up a hospital if you want change. Democrats are thick as thieves with healthcare and pharmaceuticals.
>>533533359Maybe he shouldn't have smacked her so hard
>>533542608Both hospitals and insurance companies are Jewing each other. Hospitals need to be forced to post their chargemaster rates so that people can shop around for care, but the AMA would flip a shit if they were ever exposed to actual market dynamics. You are correct that private unions are distorting prices and driving up costs, but I'm not about to sinp for insurance companies.People really don't hate doctors and hospitals enough though.
>>533533359israels sense of security is way WAY more important than that you should be grateful and thankful that they even let you the opportunity to fund their great civilizations and the only democracy in the middle yeastthe whole modern western would would be no where and wouldn't exist without the moral backbone of judeo-christian values
>>533533359kek, should have taken better care of her retarded toddler. Not the fault of the state that she's a bad parent.
>>533533359WEBMrel and boomers. Also faggots, fats and, illegals are a massive burden on healthcare.
Reminder that the AMA lobbies to keep the # of residences low to artificially boost the salaries of doctors. The downstream affect is making medical school ridiculously expensive. Then doctors pass on this cost to patients and state/federal governments. The AMA is the biggest racket in the US.You don't hate doctors enough.
>>533533359kikes and their nonwhite pets, such as niggers, the various Indian crossbred mexicants, hindu dindus etc
>>533541816>stop defending your corpos, anon>theyre fucking you in the ass.americans love billionaire cum trickling down their ass there is no use trying to convince them
Think about it, every other industry in the US is required to tell consumers how much their service cost.You wouldn't walk into a mechanics shop and ask to get your car fixed without getting a quote first. You don't walk into a grocery store and only see how much your food costs at the register. But hospitals are allowed to keep their prices a secret from consumers.
>>533533503Usually, if you're rich enough, you could pay to skip the line. If you're not, you wouldn't be able to properly afford the healthcare in the first place.
>>533533359Just change your name to Juan Valdez Escobar Venezuelan and tell welfare you wife is your sister and have your kids call you uncle.
>>533533505Unless you're a multi-billionaire, you as an individual would pay less in national healthcare taxes rather than paying for your own healthcare.If you'd rather pay more in private healthcare because you don't like the thought of helping others than you're a selfish prick.
>>533533359We do, but for old people. Its our second biggest line item after paying for old people's vacations.
>>533533503Not every universal healthcare system is as dysfunctional as the NHS
>>533533359You earn more than we do, you can afford it. I saw the houses you live in. You're rich af. We live in tiny brick tombs. Your children frolick through your garden, ours have none.
>>533543943Yes. If you look at federal expenditures, it becomes clear that the US is one giant charity for boomers and poor trash with a military attached.
>>533533359>free HealthcareThe fact that you think any Healthcare is free just tells us that you are a brain-washed 2-digit IQ fuckwit who should've been aborted before you could contaminate the world. KYS
>>533544109I know /pol/ hates SNAP, but SNAP is only 1.5% of the federal budget, about what the government spends on keeping a few thousand fatties on dialysis alive. Social security, Medicaid, and Medicare and black holes of spending.
>>533538757I had two sets of MRI and a single round of xray done followed by some weird laser needle thing they fixed internal bleeding and drained out the blood and fat within 24 hours of smashing my shoulder against a tree while snowboarding, had a overnight hospital stay and got billed 230 euros for the whole ordeal
>>533538558It's obviously designed to be a racket
>>533544285Yes, because Finland isn't obsessed with keeping old and fat people alive like the US is. Healthcare is not rationed at all in the US, so there is pareto principal where 10% of patients are causing 90% of costs. In America we worship at the altar of fat dysgenic retards and half dead boomers.
>>533533359Europeans make 1/3rd of my income at best and still pay more in taxes and $12k is almost nothing these days. No thanks.
>>533544109And we pay our boomers double what most other OECD countries do. And, since Medicare and Social Security payouts are adjusted for inflation, you can't just inflate and give boomers an invisible haircut. You have to actually reform the program.
>>533544448Most developed countries, from Norway to Japan, have to deal with dying boomers but the US is certainly a leader when it comes to keeping fatties and browns alive.
US do spends ton of money on healthcares we just don't know where it goinJust as we have no idea where all the other U.S. government spending goes
>>533533359You get screwed by health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and health care providers. They collectively lobby the government to block any legislation getting through that would make them operate in a fair and civilised manner.....or even to ensure market forces are at play. Doesn't matter if you're pro or anti universal healthcare you're all getting screwed. Kicking the insurance providers teeth in would be a bipartisan issue if you lived in a functioning democracy.
>>533544643Yes but in the US boomers get top of the line care to extended their lives a few months. Other developed countries don't dump buckets of money on terminal cases like the US does.
>>533533359Because of faggits, doing clown stuff; they doing the gay agenda.
>>533533503Meme they sold you and Americans are that shit up
>>533544765It's going to keep terminally ill people alive for another few months. It's also spent on long term care for the chronically ill retards that should have never been born. We know where the money is going.
>>533544891Boomers wouldn't be boomers if they didn't squander every last shred of their inheritance right before they died. Good thing the US healthcare corporations found just the way to accommodate them.
NICU is the worst thing that ever happened to healthcare. 10% of people born since 2000 should have been stillbirths. When I walk around a shopping area ~1 in 1 kids I see are disabled in some way. We are fucking with nature too much. Not every life is sacred.
>>533545146>Good thing the US healthcare corporations found just the way to accommodate them.It's not muh corporations, but they aren't blameless. Boomers voted to expand health public insurance to basically everyone who needs it. The real winner is the Democrats who have a permanent base of voters and a powerless class of tax cattle that doesn't have the demographic pull to fight it. Did you know that 45% of Americans are on some sort of subsidized healthcare? America is in the looting stage of Democracy.
>>533545178*1 in 10 kids
>>533533359nothing is free u stupid negro. they just take it out of your paycheck. and on top of that every negro on the planet will be stopping up the doctors office getting their diabeetus fixed making you wait a year to see the doctor.
>>533544842The only people getting screwed by insurance companies are young men. Young men are low priority BY LAW. People with pre existing conditions and critical cases come first. Old people and poors don't get denied coverage. If you are a young employed man, your premiums just go to keeping boomers, poors, and fatties alive.
>>533545852#ThanksObama
>>533533359>Why can't we have free healthcare?!?!"free" healthcare is currently 25% of the budget and we have $39 TRILLION in debt. How much more do you want to spend on "free" healthcare? 30% of the budget? Maybe 50%?The medical and pharmaceutical industry lobbies rule the country. As we speak the Democrat who want more "free" healthcare are attacking RFK Jr. on behalf of big pharma for questioning if children really need to be forced to take hundreds of vaccines.TLDR: Why can't we have free healthcare? Because we're broke and our rulers work for the medical industry.
>>533547081>"free" healthcare is currently 25% of the budget
>>533533359We already do but only for the worst peopleIt's a complete disaster with insane fraud lol
>>533533503we already have those
>>533534067Dumb Americans think Canada is like Europe. Last time I went to the GP for an annoying rash on my neck that wasn't going away with moisturizer. I signed into the med app with my digID, and saw an opening for the same day. 3 hours later I showed up to my appointment, and got a prescription for a cream that I picked up the next day. A few years before that I required a small surgery to remove what turned out to just be a harmless busted lymph node. But it was right under my armpit, quite a concerning place. Took a week to get to the initial GP appointment, he looked at it, palpated a lil' and went uhuh yeah goncerning. Referred me to the hospital for an appointment with the knife man. That was like another 2 weeks after that, got sliced and stitched in about an hour. They sent what they cut out for analysis, got that back when I went to get the stitches taken out. All of this cost me exactly 0 euro, as I already paid my yearly deductible of 300ish euro. Monthly premiums went up slightly by like, 5 bucks a month from that event. From about 150 to 162 including the regular yearly increase. I get about 120-130 of that subsidized from the state so I really only pay 20-30 bucks a month out of pocket.
