>“A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.”― NapoleonIt’s true soldiers are brainwashed cattle.
Soldiers are by definition not moral actors, so it's weird that we worship them so much.
cannon fodder addicts will quote this to justify deaths caused by negligent orders
>people perceive value>this is..........le bad
>>533535921You can extend this to almost everything though, and if this motivation is missing you have a very big problem.
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>>533536125>people perceive valuePerceiving something implies it being real (if subjective). If it is not real your are instead hallucinating, which is precisely the case.
>>533537726At the time I didn't even get this, and didn't realise how formative to the series the exchange would be. Probably one of the most profound moments in video games.>>533536550No. People on average will do as they are told by any person in "authority", whether justified or not.Failing that you can threaten or force them to do it.Does motivation increase their performance? I am confident that when sending men to battle their wish to survive is motivation aplenty.Will it increase performance in other situations? The answer to that question does not lie in whether there is motivation, but where that motivation comes from, which makes this matter all the more pathetic.>the ribbon motivates them because of their sense of pride, purely internally, a feeling, driving them towards extreme efforts despite a total lack of real-world significancePeople getting motivated by their wellbeing or family can be respected. Wealth can be respected to an extent.But the more motivated you get by absurdities the more laughable it becomes.
>>533537801My guy... think of all the things people don't do -- there you find valueless activities. Hope this helps, dog bless.
>>533538717I am willing to fight atheists on the internet long and hard until the end of the thread wity extreme motivation because I know that God is real.
>>533539143Mental.
>>533539406The reward I get is beyond your understanding.
>>533537726That might be the lamest thing I've ever seen.First of all it was all so obviously set up just so he could deliver that one line. "Are clowns patriotic"? What? What the fuck? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.That's like "do you like apples" tier setup.Second, extremely reddit morons don't understand men fighting for tribe/ race/ nation and calling men who do "clowns" is just great. You're a fat tranny who's never been in a fight, you're the clown.
>>533538731I am only critical of your choice of words.People merely imagine some values; quite a few of them; values that are "real" only to themselves, from a practical standpoint.Obviously that can be sufficient to motivate a person, but it is not necessarily a good thing, and consequently open to criticism.If the value actually is perceptible (and positive) that will usually be a good motivation, like getting food or physical comfort.>>533539143It sounds more like you are trying to save them. I doubt you believe God needs you to defend him, and I will not readily assume you do it to curry favor with God - although that is a possibility and reason some people may do it.
>>533535921It's colored ribbon their god bestowed upon them tho
>>533540043They're referring to the soldiers, as clowns because they are zogbots.>and recognizing that fact makes the scene
>>533540043If you're still young there's a good chance you'll get there eventually.Like I said: I didn't get it either when I played the game, but the franchise as a whole does a lot to put it into context.A soldier in modern armies is an expendable pawn to accomplish political goals. Rarely does he do a service to his people, besides the few that profit from it.And even in a primitive context a warrior does not necessarily do good; there is nothing good in fighting a losing war, where diplomacy or even surrender may serve the people better; but guess who doesn't like surrender first and foremost? Your rulers, because it is them who will be displaced.Even in defense soldiers are a tool to preserving the ruling regime."No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country." - Patton
>>533540458A respectable level of autism. He was a swell lad, and this is coming from his erstwhile enemy.
>>533540458Humanity needs autism to progress, but women are an abominable filter.
>>533540301Yes, I understand that.But he says everyone who ever died for his country.Not every soldier ever was a "zogbot."Thanks for the completely pointless post that still somehow missed the mark.>>533540422This is not profound. Your dumb video game. Unbelievably embarrassing.We exist today because our ancestors were victorious in combat.
>>533536000>Soldiers are by definition not moral actorsHumans don't talk this way
>>533540043MGS3 is a really fucking stupid gamevery contrived
>>533541158dost thou haveth a license for thine comments
>>533541128>We exist today because our ancestors were victorious in combat.How many better men died for stupid reasons and no longer exist?>because some incompetent king got his panties in a bunch over abdicating
Honestly this is so laughably stupid I had to post again.Know which men had the highest odds of surviving combat?Those who didn't participate.>in other words the sissies have the highest odds of surviving>and the brave the highest chance to die
>>533544098Know which men had the highest chance of passing on their genes? The ones victorious in combat
