https://x.com/ubi_works/status/2046313775381582051?s=46That Canadian Prime Minister guy who calls Trump a retard and is removing Indians says we need to work out how to implement a basic income right asap as robots and AI will take our jobs.He also says with the rise of Robots and AI you don’t need foreign workers and should be much more strict on immigration.
Why does welfare need to be universal?That's not how any real welfare program works.Why should a billionaire receive the same welfare as a homeless guy?
UBI is inevitable ASSUMING the elite even keep us alive. Why keep a bunch of meaningless consumers alive? They are absolutely planning to cull us no fucking doubt in my mind.
>>533553010To simplify the process e.g not having government employees paid to work out how much money you have and making the public sing and dance to them
>>533552892He’s not removing indians hundreds of thousands of them show up unrestricted every day, both legal and illegals. The floodgates are wide open
>>533553098We already have government employees paid to work out how much money you have.Are you suggesting that we eliminate taxation?
all socialisms are part of bri'ish eugenics depopulation agendanothing aint free
>>533552892The elites were fine letting the white working class go by the wayside with deindustrialisation but are now scrambling for a solution when white collar people start losing their jobs.
>>533552892Only for the goyim who sign up and accept the Mark of the Beast and the Digital Beast System though of course lol. Just imagine how easy it will be for ZOG to get these slack jawed faggots on board for "Free money" lmao. I for one will not be partaking
>>533552892>What happens to the people in those jobs are they ready for the new jobs?I stoped working 4years ago & i will never work again until all niggers/arabs are deported from Europe & every jew shot to death. Hopefully everything turns to shit, the sooner the better. Nothing beside deporting/killing niggers/arabs/jews is of any meaning for me anymore, i dont care about infrastructure, jobs or education it will turn to shit anyway if we dont get rid of niggers, arabs & jews.
yeah they want to trickle your $ to you on stipulation basis.they dont want you to be able to earn on your ownwhat if you harbour the wrong opinioneven worse, what if you speak out about that opinionthis way they just turn off your cash flow make you persona non grata and you must rely on criminality and the natural law
>>533552892Canada already has UBI for nons and women. Same with the US
>>533553125GIVING IT LIP SERVICE WHILE LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH IS ALREADY A WINCARNEY IS FROM THE CENTRAL BANK OF ENGLANDLEAFISTAN NEEDS FREEDOM
>>533553282Yeah bcause at one time we will just take revenge. All these people have Homes & Kids. So much kids got raped and killed by thirdworld invaders. These people (politicans) deserve to watch how their childern and tortured to death before getting killed themselves. There is no way around it.
>>533552892>>533553079Based. I love our new ally Canada. We should first agree to this and only give it to oursleves. Countries who vote against this can just do what they want to do. Robot companies move to our countries to make money and when it’s done, we sent this robots to kill all these retard low IQ countries who voted against it
Wow that's crazy the central banker who moved all his shit to the US with a wife who demands $7700 a week in living expenses while telling us to make due with less has another ponzi scheme.
>>533553290Only fuckin free in life is a grave but, even that you must pay for nowadays.
>>533552892UBI is certainly worth exploring, there have been some promising trials with interesting results. Particularly with the risks of AI-induced job losses.That said, it's a pretty radical transformation and it can be hard to say what will happen if it becomes a permanent fixture.>>533553010Simplification, a hypothetical advantage of UBI is that it could improve efficiency by reducing bureaucracy and roll a bunch of different benefits and system into one payment. And it's not like there's a lot of billionaires. >>533553189No, but another advantage of UBI is the potential streamlining and perhaps flattening of the tax system.
>>533552892>and is removing IndiansCitation fucking needed, he isnt doing shit. He and his party caused all of the problems we have to live with now, and every single politician no matter the affiliation needs to be gotten rid of because theyre all fucking useless and are trying to create a communist authoritarian hellhole.
>>533553304none of this is truefirst of all, it comes from libertarian milton friedmanthere are also specific sections in the legislation in the senate whereby it would be illegal to cut someone off for political reasons etc.you are just making up boogeymen then being afraid of themhttps://www.ubiworks.ca/guaranteed-livable-basic-incomeand you can make the exact same criticisms of any employer in canada.they trickle money to you, based on stipulationsthey don't want you to work other jobs, in alberta many employers make you sign papers to this effectyou get fired for having the wrong opinion/giving hr the ickspeak out about it and you're on the news as racisthey can turn off your cash flow and make you persona non grata>at least it's not the government!
>>533553636I accept that it's more efficient to have 1 welfare program instead of 10, but that doesn't explain why it has to be universal, especially when the bureaucracy is already in place to determine who needs it and who doesn't.And speaking of efficiency, I can hardly think of any less efficient policy than to tax a person for the purpose of returning some of what he paid back to him.
>>533552892I fucking hate that nigger so much its unreal. I hope the states bombs us
>>533552892What was his last job? Basically working at BlackRock. We can trust him
>>533553566 WDHMBT THIS IS AN ELBOW IN FURPUCKMAYBE THE OLYMPIC GOLD TEAM CAN SHOW HIM HOW ITS DONE
>>533553852Friedman advocated what he called a negative income tax which doesn't have the glaring problem that universal basic income has that I've been highlighting in this thread.
>>533553852Bro they already froze people's bank accounts and money because they donated to something that the government disagrees with, if you think they wouldn't take away money because of wrong think then you are either a shill for them or incredibly stupid.
>>533552892Where can i watch this shit on youtube.I think longterm an UBI makes sense but what we need now i dunno would be taxing the rich and then not let that additional money go directly into the pockets of the states because they will berlin it but into the pockets of low income workers.
>>533552892We needed this 70 years ago when they put women into work ensuring half the population would have no employment to support them while simultaneously making living expenses require double.UBI will never work. People need food and shelter, not jew paper to be taken by the people hoarding food and shelter. Start killing usurers or people will.
>>533553940You just said why. Its easier to give money to everyone than having to spend even more in bureaucracy just to determine who should get welfare
>>533553290Whats the downside
>>533554198You burn in the Hellfire for eternity.......?
>>533554147The bureaucracy already exists, and unless you want to eliminate taxation they'll continue to exist. In America they're called the IRS.
>>533554261Soo nothing
>>533553290You wont have a choice. There will be simply no job for you.
>>533552892UBI means women won't need or want marriage. unless it's with muh he kin Chadrinos
>>533552892Why not just give everybody a shitload of money then everybody can be filthy stinking rich?
>>533554295Hope you enjoy it cocksucker hahaha>>533554308>>533554308>You wont have a choiceThere is ALWAYS a choice anon. God gave us freewill
>>533554308You always have a choice. For instance, I chose not to take the vax despite being told it would mean no job forever.
>>533553079Enjoy working really, really hard so niggers can live in the lap of luxury while you slave. I dont mean like how they do now, I mean they have better lives than you because you have to pay 98% tax to support them making 100k a year UBI.I hate these wealth distribution fags so fucking much. These people have to die.
>>533553469>wife who demands $7700 a week in living expensesoh boy, cpc half truths! i never though i would be in the position of defending the liberals, but holy shit this has to stopthat was part of her living allowance as part of carney's compensation package for being the head of the bank of england. it became public because even she with that income couldn't find an apartment in london.he's not telling people to make do with less, not that i've heardhe is giving tax breaks all over the place, and cutting fees for national parks to boost internal tourism. what worries me is stuff like pic related. the 32 is what we are interested in. the phrase is coded to 32 because it's a very important number in masonry and the occult. there are 32 degrees of scottish rite, with the 33rd being reserved for the supreme council. on the tree of life, there are 10 sefira and 22 paths between them, corresponding to the 10 numbers and the 22 letters of the hebrew alphabetin the sefer yetzirah which predates the tree, it says:>The opening of the Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation) establishes the framework for creation through thirty-two mysterious paths of wisdom engraved by Yah (the Lord of Hosts). These paths are manifested in the ten sefirot (numbers/emissions) and the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet, which serve as the fundamental building blocks of the universe. >The text states that God created the world using three linguistic tools derived from the root sefar: sefer (a book/text), sefar (a count/number), and sippur (a story/speech). It further categorizes the twenty-two letters into three groups: three mother letters (Aleph, Mem, Shin), seven double letters (which have two sounds), and twelve simple letters.
>>533553204this. universal basic income is literally the trap to get people into a eugenics system that will categorize them according to what """experts""" believe is valuable to society. people whom the experts deem to be disposable will be disposed of sooner than those who are considered valuable
>>533554372So whats the downside
>>533553282The unspoken social contact in the West is that while everyone else gets fucked over by globohomo, the top 10% or so of the population continue to enjoy good lives because they're the ones who they actually delegate the running of the system to. Well to do white liberals are the cornerstone of the entire edifice
>>533552892And everyone is going to support it and then wonder why more jeets moved in and things get worse. Fuck I hate this country
shartymarties be like
>>533554402> $100k/y, better life than youYou are describing prison btw.
>>533554556Have you ever considered that maybe theyd lose their jobs if they didnt facebook post trump daily
>>533554266The bureaucracy is a nightmare, my brother has a one man car business and when he changed location he had to wait for 10months so he could hang up his sign because he had to communicate with 6 different departments. Instead one sucker of the state should have come looked at it and said "we need abc" he kinda had to "guess" what they wanted. Endless process.I give you a different example how the state squanders money, here a thought experiment:YOu can either build three skyscrapers as high as the empire statebuilding OR you can renovate pic related.BTW this isnt a joke, they are that retarded, the renovation of this building costs 600m minimum, realistically it should cost a billion.You could build 20 of these for the same money and that is a rather "conservative" estimation.
>>533554407While elites love this type of stupid shit, it doesn't fucking matter because the guy is such a blatant threat to the country. You can only announce so many announcements and MOU's while the country goes down in flames. This place is a complete joke.
>>533554475The only thing that will change immigration is wild roaming groups of murder gangs that seek and kill immigrants. The groups would need to be hundreds to thousands of well armed people, but that doesnt exist in canada.
https://litter.catbox.moe/7t5l4d.pdf
>>533554069boring shills get ai responses>Milton Friedman was a prominent advocate for a guaranteed income, which he proposed in his 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom as a Negative Income Tax (NIT). While often associated with Universal Basic Income (UBI), Friedman’s NIT was technically distinct because it was means-tested, targeting only those below a specific poverty cutoff rather than being paid universally to all citizens. >Friedman supported this system for several key reasons:>Simplification: He argued it could replace the complex "rag bag" of existing welfare programs with a single, universal administrative system. Efficiency: The NIT would have lower administrative costs than the fragmented welfare state and could be implemented at a lower total cost. >Work Incentives: By setting benefit levels at less than 100% of the difference between earned income and the poverty line, the NIT preserved the incentive to work, unlike some traditional welfare structures. >Freedom: Friedman viewed cash transfers as superior to in-kind aid, allowing individuals to decide their own best use of resources.>Although the mathematical operation of the NIT is often considered equivalent to UBI, Friedman’s plan was intended to replace social safety nets like Social Security and food stamps, whereas modern UBI advocates often propose it as an addition to existing services. Friedman’s advocacy influenced both the political left and right, contributing to discussions around guaranteed income that continued through figures like Richard Nixon and Charles Murray.>>533554115not the same thing. people dumb enough to fall for that honeypot deserved what they got. the main donor was revealed to be the tom siebel, owner of a company called c3ai, which was doing work on contact tracing. it was a fake insurrection organized by the government, intentionally nonviolent, so they could try out insurrection countermeasures. a live exercise.
>>533553940>And speaking of efficiency, I can hardly think of any less efficient policy than to tax a person for the purpose of returning some of what he paid back to him.You can eliminate the bureaucracy of deciding who's eligible, and then have the billionare's UBI just come out in the wash since taxation is still individual. It's shifting the bureaucracy around, yeah, but in a direction that's probably a little more efficient. Another advantage of no means-testing, is that you eliminate the welfare trap, where losing benefits after making X amount discourages people from working.In practice though, there might not be much difference, it could probably work either way. And if we're talking about a program that actually survives instead of one that nerds say is "le most efficient", it could be worth considering that UBI for billionaires is bad PR and easy ammo for critics, even if it does come out in the wash.I don't want to be too idealistic here, my opinion on UBI in general is that it needs more pilots. Like I said, it's a huge societal change that hasn't truly been tested and is still controversial among economists. But considering current conditions, it's worth exploring. NIT too.
>>533554812If you bothered to read the response that you asked ChatGPT to give me then you'd see that it supports my point,
>>533554475I swear to God, I want the states to bomb us. I dont want to be annexed, I want to be nuked. Wipe this ridiculous shithole off the face of the fucking planet. Fuck me, dude. Every god damn day it gets worse. I fucking hate it here so much its unreal.
>>533554951suicide is an option, or so I hear
>>533554827>losing benefits after making X amount discourages people from working.That's a common point in favor of a negative income tax.
>>533552892To be honest there is nothing wrong with UBI in essence. It’s just if the government can implement it well.If you think about it, at the moment there are many thousands if not millions of people who are basically paid to do bullshit jobs.A good 2-3 quarters of the workforce most likely, and if anything many are being paid to be actively malicious are disruptive just to justify their position.Instead of paying them to do bullshit, or be actively harmful, we can just pay them less to do nothing and overall lower costs/prices across society.The laziness argument is moot because lazy people will just be lazy and unproductive reguardless, and if you consider what I mentioned, the overall costs to society would probably be less if we just paid these people to do whatever instead of forcing companies to babysit them.I get the knee jerk reaction about “Muh Tax dollars!!” But at the moment you literally are paying for all these people who literally do nothing because they make use of public services constantly and increase capital costs of both government and business.
>>533555034Many Canadians do not want to commit suicide, but if a nuke were to drop on us we would be ok with that.
>>533554951Its bad all over the place. We are going to be super fucked here when dems get a super majority because Trump went off the rails.
>>533552892>jobs lost to AIMay I seem them?
>>533553010Because it’s easier to implement, less bureaucracy and less scamming (ideally)UBI is a little like the grain dole in Rome, where basically every urban citizen could get it.Is it good or bad? I’d say it’s neutral as a policy but can be implemented well or poorly
>>533553079They are “culling” us right now by simply letting you all consume porno and party 24/7 instead of having kids.Old childless and single millennials and Zoomers will just line up for assisted suicide in 50y and the issue will be resolved.
>>533555034I refuse to give them rhe satisfaction. I vow to be the largest burden on the state as humanly possible. These niggers will have my severed head in a jar with tubes keeping me alive for eternity, im never letting go.
>>533555142>Canada thread>groypers still find a way to sneak in and bitch about Trump
>>533554635>bland, general, nonspecific complaints, all unsourced and unexplained, left to the reader to fill in all the blanks, or just indulge in confirmation bias.the problems facing the country stem mostly from the previous prime minister, who was so hated by his own party he left the job and the country. even friedland was on record talking about how we need to shift from woke to actually running a serious country for adults who don't play dressup and do cocaine all day. ok i added the last part. the other place, for those with short memories, is the lead poisoned orangutan to the south who decided to baleet the economy of at least two countries. ontario took it hard with the auto manufacturing losses, everything went back and forth across the border several times before the vehicle was fully assembled. with all of these issues at hand, i'm actually surprised and impressed with carney so far. i was prepared to hate him, but i actually like him, besides the queerbaiting shit and the gun grab. i don't own a single gun and it still seems moronic. >>533554930what is this glaring problem?
>>533553098Yeah we're just gonna stop having any tax Information. Dumb fuck.
>>533552892Wow thank you Mark Carney, friend of Ghislaine Maxwell and Rothschild banker
>>533553125There is functionally little to no “illegal” immigration to Canada.Canada historically never had an issue with illegals because it’s basically impossible to live here if you don’t have a dozen different ID’s and paperwork for yourself.Recently there have been some issue with visa overstays because the Sikh community specifically has basically been taking care of these illegals so they can go under the radar, however the issue is rapidly lessening for the reasons I said above. Canada is just too actively hostile to illegals, unlike the USA where you literally don’t need any documentation to live and work in most cities which is insane.
>>533555142Other than what I read on here, I know nothing of your politics. I always assumed the dems weren't actually malicious but just retarded. Would it actually be over? Are they just as fucking evil as the canadian left wing?
>>533555158>less scammingI guess that's technically not wrong, but it's pointless because you'll be giving the scammer money regardless, only you're suggesting that he doesn't even need to bother with a scam to receive it.It's like if you get a scam call from India and despite recognizing it as a scam you just send the scammer money anyway.
>>533552892Carney has been such a gift to Canadians He's the adult in the room among all the children
>>533555298The primary issues facing this country are internal, it's fact that the entire political class is made up of people who have fallen up the stairs their entire lives. You cannot seriously believe that the latest stooge represents a complete departure from the "previous" government when the exact same shit is happening. They are still planning on bringing 500,000 people into the country. They are using little gay tricks to play with the immigration numbers. They are still using the same tired plans and doing the same thing while people endlessly glaze and gargle the guy's balls.
>>533555298>what is this glaring problem?Read the thread and the response ChatGPT gave you and if you're not really stupid you'll figure it out.
>>533553079There’s definitely a gigantic rug pull waiting. Modern consumer economics became the standard metric of economic productivity but in reality it was all a farce; just a convenient way to subdue the masses and redirect wealth to financiers and government cronies. But feudalism is still the reigning system underneath it all; own the land, own the true productive avenues like agriculture, energy, etc, and you have all the power. The wealthy won’t need a consumer class when slaves or robots (or both) will do all the work for them. They’ll just instruct the slave caste to build their yachts and farm their food, they’ll have no real need for complex financial systems and global markets and whatever else.
>>533555410>you’ll be giving the scammer money regardlessThen he is no longer a scammer, and thus not being actively malicious trying to scam more out of the system.If it’s a simple binary calculation or income threshold like the Friedman negative income tax argument, then there is no argument to be made, you either get it or you don’t.I only wonder how it will handle foreigners and people like temporary workers.The biggest problem in Canada is lack of competitiveness because we have the lowest R&D investment in the G20, I hope in some way this can help the increase the buying power of labour and push companies to invest more in development. The drawback will be making the Canadian State even larger which is already a huge issue as the majority of Canadians are employed in public service.
>>533555465And canadians are cheering it on and the few that don't like it wont do shit about it because it would be racist otherwise
>>533555441He really does love being among children
>>533555358>unlike the USA where you literally don’t need any documentation to live and work in most cities which is insane.yes, we lack the counter-infrastructure which supports such activities. most of that is influenced by the big businesses which use illegals en masse, like agriculture and meat packing plants such as tyson chicken. these people have huge huge clout, they took over the us department of health this past election too. notice that trump is ok with farm workers? all the republicans that campaign on getting illegals out end up doing some sort of amnesty, and it's because of political pressure.this is class warfare in action. the illegals drive down not just wages, but safety and workplace standards for everyone else. you can't compete against them. they know illegals will put up with horrifying conditions that us citizens won't or shouldn't. rather than importing slaves, and having to watch over them, house them, keep them from escaping, or even transporting them to the us, all of which costs money, you can ruin the economies of the third world, and encourage their desperate people to go to the us on their own money. they pay their own food, lodging, transportation, everything.and the government gets their cut too. they use dummy ssns to pay payroll taxes for their employees, but since the numbers aren't legit, they can't get refunds. so unless they are fully under the table they pay lots of tax too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0UmfBwA_U>>533555529so no argument. and it's the brave ai search.
>>533554407>post opens with level-headed fact check>180s into da vinci code masonic numerology in the second halfgood old /pol/
>>533555850i am to pleasehere, have a rare red green, doing the masonic sign of distress at the possum lodge. you know, possums, which pretend to die and come back to life, like jesus? and everyone belongs to a lodge, it's totally normal.
>>533555465I’m not so sure how dedicated to this stuff the elite class are, I mean they supported it, but my impression is that they care more about their own power than any ideals.Mass immigration “made sense” in the past because the dominant theory was we needed more and more labour to flood the market and bring down costs (labour is always the most expensive investment for a business)The issue is Canadas past strategy of cherrypicking the “good” immigrants with high skills wasn’t working anymore, mostly because the high skilled and wealthy migrants would either move to the USA after a couple years or never come to Canada at all anymore.Then they tried scraping the bottom of the barrel and seeing if mass would make up for quality, it really didn't and even put the power of the Canadian Oligarchy in jeopardy as public support among their core groups (whites) tanked and the migrants started rallying together to form their own independent blocs to oppose them.This was a major storm brewing and you can see how both the trucker protest as well as the success of Jagmeet Singh in leveraging Sikh nationalism was instrumental in creating this current political climate.Of course pressure from Trump basically sealed the deal because anyone with two braincells can see the US partnership is not reliable anymore and we can't just rest on the easy money of the American Empire going forward.I don’t see things “going back” to the way they were ever again, the world is just too different.At most I think we will see a resurgence in LGBT shit but probably the mass migration era is going away for good.
>>533555822In the USA, this sort of “grey” market counter-economy has grown so large it’s almost impossible to dismantle without also dismantling half the nation in the process.In Canada the Indian wave has created something akin to this which imo is why the government is turning about-face so quickly to nip it in the bud, since everything in Canada flows from State Power unlike in the USA where it’s corporations first.
>>533556034Or maybe they just hate white people
>>533552892AI is like a 15 years old with down syndrome, yeah it can do some work, but it needs constant monitoring.
>>533556137I mean maybe but honestly I’ve never bought this narrative, they arguably see all “proles” as fundamentally the same which is why they had no issues turning them into a soup.Even the aft mentioned kalegri plan, the goal is not “kill whitey” but to make a docile proletarian class who will never rebel or organize effectively.With Jews? That’s a different story, as they genuinely hate europeans, but their power is weakening imo.
>>533556203The elites and the left (despite loving to use AI for their propaganda) want to hype up AI as this uber thing as an excuse for why nobody can get jobs. Hint, its actually migrants.
>>533552892Screw that start with the United States start with Washington State we need it
>>533555716The problem with scams isn't that scammers are malicious but that they drain money from people/institutions. Malice doesn't really matter to hardly any crime; it's the repercussions of a crime that are actually problematic.
>>533556034This place just doesn't have the political will to fix any of the issues the government has caused, there's just so many different angles in which this place is fucked that it only makes sense if you view it from the angle that Canada is an occupied nation. It can't even stop jeets from fleecing this place at every level of society. The legal system kowtows to migrants, specifically sentencing them so as not to have them deported or not to ruin their chances of PR despite being rapists, pests, thieves, etc. This place is pretty much done and there's no halting the decline, even the RCMP acknowledged that people haven't realized that they're fucked yet.
>>533556269They already lost so much money trying to force this. It's a mix of white hate and liberal boomer pride in not accepting that they fucked up. Either way white people are being fucked over and white guilt ensures more migrants get over here
>>533556273The blackpill will be if they get every citizen on UBI but then still have infinity migrants to fill all the jobs, so locals are economically dependent on the State while also creating a built in flashpoint between migrants and locals.Again, we will see how they implement this.While this idea is scary, I kind of doubt it will happen honestly, I think the way the World Order os evolving this strategy would be extremely short sighted and only lead to a national disintegration and inevitable overthrow of the oligarchy.
>>533552892They won't admit it, but the system of bullshit jobs they created under neoliberalism has completely failed to create actual value and is going to have to be permanently shelved. They won't have UBI. People will be back working in mines and on the fields.
eugenics and culling would solve most social problems like universal income for deadbeet losers
You can literally smell pajeet shit as soon as you cross the cannadian border.
>>533556203Maybe the Thai ladyboy version of it lmao, not the Judeo Beast system AI they have
>>533556307Right. At this point Canada is basically a resource colony. If we want to “win”, we have to start, or rely on, a nationalist movement rising in the USA first. US actually has deployable levers of power that if ripped out of the hands of jewish and neoliberal elites, could be deployed to properly develop this entire continent into a Neo Imperium; self sufficient, primary industry oriented, focused on civic development, native birthrates, etc. Canada’s resources become the equivalent of Iberia or North Africa in the Roman Empire. We get integrated into the big picture, but it’s never going to start here.
>>533556307I get it, but recent event’s seem to have done a 180 from this, like literally since 2024 a lot of this abrasive crap has evaporated.
In advanced countries tons of people are already getting all sorts of benefits. The thing is it's all broken down into smaller pieces where you have to bother with all sorts of paperwork. Imagine the massive bureaucracy (aka paper pushing civil servants) it creates. Having UBI could simplify all this mess.
>>533552892Canada already has income support programs for people retraining for a different line of work after mass layoff. My understanding is that the amount is very modest, and Carney might be talking about increasing that payment amount if major recession hits.
>>533556412This is true, but you need to start thinking in the terms of a post-empire scenario.What happened to the former provinces when Rome became unable to govern them?I think this is the mindset of the more intelligent members of the upper class atm, and this is the impression I get from listening to many of Carney’s interviews.In Rome, some regions weathered the collapse quite well, while others saw the total disintegration of their society.In this case Canada is better off being like North Africa or Spain than Britain or northern Gaul.
>>533556307The problem is the people themselves want this. Canada is rotten at its spiritual core. At least the UK and EU hate migrants and actually had a few riots over it in the past. Canadians have done fuck all except maybe put up a few flyers just for people to screech that nazis are rising up again
>>533556369>I kind of doubt it will happen honestly,I didn't think the covid lockdowns wouldn't happen either. The people here are eager to get raped by their government so they can cry about it.
>>533556443They're just covering it up. Look at the immigration plans for example, they cut it by small amounts for the first year, but their plans show that it's going to be even more than before within three years, plus the way they've done the numbers is that the upper limits are higher than before while the "expected numbers" are lower. It's probably why they have an entire legion of sycophants gargling the guys' balls because he's done fuck-all.
>>533556562You might be right, but I’m of the mind that we are closer to the late Republic not the late Empire. We still have a chance to properly consolidate this mess into a coherent system. Political factionalism and diffusion is at the heart of our current predicament, not late Rome’s extreme over extension (plus its decades of stagnation, laziness, and decadence). Cut the rot out of this system and reform the power structures into a coherent hierarchy that treats the core of our nation (white men of good character, primarily, as originally stated by the founding fathers) as indispensable “freemen” required for productivity, family, and community building, with elites that have overt but transparent power that can easily be stripped away (how many Roman elites were killed vs how many modern neoliberals are even given a light tap on the wrist), and the Imperium is just beginning, far from over.
>>533556620Maybe you’re right, idk honestly.My impression is that even if the elite WANT this, and the Canadian eternal boomer WANTS this, I just don’t think it will be feasible in the future.It all depends on how the next few years pans out. If America goes into a terminal death spiral and the Iran war endures I think a lot of these plans for turning on the migration taps again will have to ve scrapped.>>533556587When it comes to Canadians, I honestly think the best way to mobilize and motivate people is to frame everything through a socialist lens and place Labour front and center.Canada has a rich socialist history and by far the most effective and successful social movements have been labour oriented ones.A new Canadian labour movement would be able to put some fire under the butts of the elites while also mobilizing more people than vague nationalism or ethno-identarianism.Trudeau was correct that Canada is not and never has been a nation, in effect it is a tribal confederation of many different nations, so we need to pursue goals which take the nature of our confederacy into account.
>>533556984The last Canadian labor movement, the NDP, cowtows to the liberals so much that it lost most of its support, and US political brain rot has infested Canada so bad we are looking at becoming a two party system.
>>533556890I mean specifically for the US global empire, which Canada is obviously part of.The “globalism” of the WEF and mass migration are directly tied to American Imperial policy, as shown very clearly when they gutted USAID.If the American empire dies, globalism also dies with it, so trying to pretend otherwise is simply impossible reguardles of how strongly the old global elite wishes otherwise.The pragmatic elites will adapt and rebrand, the clueless ideologues will just die off.As a consideration, in Gaul for example in many regions which were previously considered to have been taken over by “barbarians” recent finding seems to suggest otherwise, that local elites simply rebranded themselves as strongmen, taking on trappings of military and local culture to further legitimize themselves and separate themselves from the “decadent” rulers far off in Italy.It’s not universally true, but likely many areas were not so much “barbarian kingdoms” as they were just rebrands.It’s important to note that through all of Roman history, the legions would adopt a peuedo-barbarian sort of culture, one that was mostly artificial and just made up to look tough for the regular citizens.A lot of common barbarian tropes were actually just legionary traditions which filtered into medieval culture as military commanders (Dux-Dukes) became civil rulers.
>>533555158The grain dole was possible because of having ample territories to plunder and of course slaves.
>>533557116NDP are a dead end, they have completely lost the plot and just become the Wokeist partyThe “red blue” divide in Canada is so fake honestly and I’m glass Pierre got shafted because we really don’t need that sort of performative bullshit moving north.I tentatively support Carney because out of all the options he is the least objectionable.
>>533555114I pray we get glassed every single day
>>533556269sit down and have a chat with uncle schizoone major component of the occult is a gnostic christian worldview. this is where God is either evil or retarded and jesus is the good guy coming to save us from him. just about any media you consume has these themes in them. it seems that at least some of those in control of the world subscribe to a cainite gnostic worldview, which is very peculiar in that they consider it a sacred act to violate the old testament laws. they also want to reverse and negate anything that God has done. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cainiteshttps://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03143a.htmso this is a good explanation for mixing everyone together. you can tell it isn't "white replacement" when they are going after japan as well. in the book of genesis, the people of the world were dispersed at the tower of babel, and turned into 70 nations with their own language. so promoting homosexuality, atheism, mixing of people from all over, women above men, blacks above everyone (remember noah's curse on canaan, the ancestor of ham, in turn the ancestor of the africans, to be slaves of slaves)literally everything fits into this framework
>>533557283Well in that case I agree but, I also don’t entirely support the notion that this Bretton Woods globalist faggotry is or has ever been truly an “Empire”. Throughout Rome’s entire history, its highs and lows, at least it adhered to a simple principle (probably by necessity due to technological limitations of the time): form the largest possible contiguous and coherent empire. Rome expanded to its NATURAL boundaries which it could competently and directly rule, and stopped. Even that showed its limits, since they eventually needed the tetrarchy, but the point is simply that classical imperium means building up your actual sphere of influence and the land you can actually control. US “imperialism” has essentially done the polar opposite; neglected and hollowed out its own core while extending itself endlessly, both financially and militarily, into every corner of the world with minimal if any tangible gains for anyone other than the elites laundering money through every scam and proxy war. I propose a complete inversion; unplug from the globalist bullshit, rebuild conventional power and productivity in this massive infinite wealth glitch of a continent, and work towards inside out expansion that actually makes sense. Classical imperialism meant just that; build out from the imperial core, expand into adjacent territories and integrate new people and resources into a coherent civic system. Our model is the polar opposite; a black hole that sucks the shit of the world inwards while exporting nothing but worthless financialism, debt, and Israeli proxy war bullshit.
>>533554617You could renovate this shit with a fraction of the money with 95% of the results, it isnt like beam my up scotty where you suddenly have three arms and 13 fingers.
>>533556984>promoting communist>commie flaggo fucking figure. And I hate that you are not wrong, I just know it will have dire consequences later with leafs doing this all over again anyway.
>>533557351https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ74wWIxe4Ethe government can literally make the money it needs to fund stuff, it's not like a business.
>>533552892>You will be unable to purchase or barter without the mark.I wonder what they'll do next!
>>533552892ai is literally taking away jobs from indians.. just send them back and worry rest later
>>533557411I noticed that as well. These faggots hate God that much. I noticed a modern trend of instead of atheists shoving banana's up their ass its not schizos admitting god is real but how he is totally evil demiurge. It's literally satanism vs good now like some faggy pulp fantasy novel but here we are. The orcs have invaded and only one nation is left standing to fight them all off.
>>533557283Huzzah at "ending globalism" if 10-40% of your population are already brown foreigners who intrinsically cannot be Integrated into the nation and you refuse to get rid of them. You now have permanent, structural disunity where the natives viciously hate the ruling class and the foreigners are at best mercenary in their loyalties, which no amount of propaganda is capable of eliminating
>>533552892>champagne class gets affected>oy vey shut it downwhat massive gaping pussies
>>533552892Best world leader in history from any country. Proud to be Canadian and earn my NEETBUX.
>>533552892you can't have UBI while people are allowed to freely have children, especially in canada with the extreme importing of low value high children haver populations. they will breed the system into financial ruinthe AI / robot thing is not an argument either. aside from the fact that those things are nowhere close to where they need to be to replace people in the way everyone is envisioning it in their minds, the conclusion of automating your economy is not free money for people, it's less people. a countries population is only necessary to enable the country to compete. industrial advancements still required people to design and operate the machinery so more people = more economic capacity. if you replace ALL of the jobs people can do then they no longer serve a purpose and you're better off eliminating people all together
It’s already at a point where a large portion of the population are unable to be useful in the economy. Lots of people won’t be able to afford basic food, socks and undies. You don’t want people walking around with rotten socks and month old banana hammocks. The government will have to step in before things get too foul.
>>533554402Eh, way I see it, cucknada is already a maximum tier humiliation economy. Haitians and jeets already claim "refugee" status here and get literally $100k/yr + free housing + medical/dental + food, and on and on. Your taxes are already raped to give some 60 IQ bantu a surgeon's salary. Speaking of surgeons, I work in healthcare, and did you know that many provinces now pay immigrants' medical bills in THEIR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY WHEN THEY LEAVE? This is the argument the Yang Gang people were making in 2020, that if whites are already a humiliated slave cattle class, you might as well just get UBI so you can have a piece of the pie. As it is now, you get the absolute worst of both worlds. I don't necessarily agree with this, but I can see the logic with the fact that this despotic shithole is unlikely to reverse the third world wealth distribution economy by even an inch.
>>533558032>Sure, the government fucked everything up so let them fuck things up even morecanada is sooooo fucked
>>533552892>and is removing Indianstheres still an infinite number of jeets and mohamads pouring in
>>533552892If AI kills admin jobs i will vote for palantir. Too bad they won't kill their own jobs..
>>533557785he's a close second
>>533555114I'm torn on whether or not I would support a foreign country invading us. On one hand, they'd slaughter or imprison our political elite. On the other, you might get a red army mass rape situation. I guess as long as you live in a country town with lots of private firearms, an invading army would back off such activities.
>>533552892If you want to know what life looks like when the government pays you to live, look no further than the territories or indigenous reserves.Remember this the quality of life with a government that receives income tax to spend on programs.
>>533558962That's because of corruption. Show us a picture of how the Chief lives.
>>533557509I don’t think it has to be a 1-1 clone of Rome or that this sort of imperial policy is relevant for the modern era, it’s just a historical parallel not a recreation.Whatever you want to call it, the global system is the American System, build by and for American power.We all benefited AND suffered from it, and now it’s likely going to end, with who knows what coming next.Maybe a legit continuous empire from some hyper-nationalist new America which takes over the Americas but abandons the wider world, becoming an insular and paranoid soviet-esqe state, or maybe something completely unexpected.Either way I think the “old ways” of thinking and previous policy won’t fly anymore. For Canadians, ethnic identity plus a wider labour-first movement is imo our priority. Unironically a Quebec style nationalist-socialism is the way forward, but more extreme and maybe more labour and faith oriented to appeal to anglos who notoriously are unmotivated by calls to action along ethnic lines.
>>533553079This, you live at their expense like a pet. You give them the right to put you down.
>>533557566I am a communist but I’m also pragmatic and realistic.The modern left and right in Canada is terminally ill, infected by American time wasting nonsense which achieves literally nothing.Imo Canada facing genuine economic and political pressure in the next fee years will either break the country or spur it towards something stronger.I hope for the latter, but I don’t see how that can happen without a mass labour movement alongside an identarian one.America has all the identity movement but practically zero labour focus, so they just get destroyed by manipulative outsiders and oligarchs.
>>533558962UBI just means that instead of corporate oligarchies controlling all of the wealth, the government bureaucrats control all of the wealth instead. If you don't have connections with The Party, enjoy your posting in the arctic mines in order to receive your gruel allowance.
>>533557713It all comes down to how competent the ruling class is, obviously if we realize this then they should be able to, it seems they do based on their rhetoric but who knows.Either way, mass migration and diversity are untenable in a non-globalized world.They just will not function at all and lead to the upper class losing power while the lower/middle eat each other and then eventually those at the top.
>>533552892Epstein class banking globalist
This is why Liberals are the forever party of Canada...They are able to pivot from the gayest most globohomo party on earth to something that is forward thinking in terms of trade, technology, and even immigration. Conservatives should just disband at this point.
>>533557885We should have a system like in Ringworld where every citizen is allowed 1 free child “ticket” and can earn more through various means such as just buying them, winning them in various contests (sports, ritual gladiatorial combat, lottery) being awarded them due to great accomplishments or just earning them through labour.It means people who don’t care can sell their free ticket for a nice cash boost, while others can earn as many as they like through focused effort.Would be insane to manage but a cool idea.
>>533559001>pic related The most corrupt chief of them all>>533559247>he thinks there's a difference between the corporate oligarchs and the MPsPretending this isn't true, you really think the CEOs and shareholders will just give their wealth away to the poor in return for no work or service? They don't even like to pay employees for the work they do, so why would they support millions of non-workers? Who's going to supply the government with money for UBI? The private corporations? They aren't nationalized so why would they give you or the government money when they invested in the A.I and robotics?
>>533559415Liberals are just the party of the Old Blood in Canada and that’s it.If total fascism became necessary for them to keep their wealth and power they would immediately embrace it.Unironically this is how Hitler was embraced by the German elites.
>>533553010Means checked welfare is one of the worst policies in modern history. It encourages people on welfare to not better themselves by attempting to get a decent job because if they start getting paid too much they will lose their welfare (food stamps, health care, etc) and that makes them actually worse off than when they. This is known as "the goy zone" where you make too much to qualify for welfare but you don't make enough to have the standards of living you would on welfare.
Canada had a successful universal basic income experiment 50 years ago and decided to end it.
>>533552892>a carny wants gibsYou can't make this up
Reminder that Sammy Hagar attributes all his success to numerology.
>>533558443>I guess as long as you live in a country town with lots of private firearms, an invading army would back off such activities.imagine knowing so little about history. i pity you.
>>533552892Another thing, we don't have the money to pay for ubi even if we wanted to. We would have to actually deport everyone on the refugee list no matter what, and they refuse to do that. Not only that, but we would have to increase the already high taxes. It literally won't happen.
>>533553079When AI has total surveillance, robots and post-human biobots, what threat are we to enforce a proportionate share of all resources? Every social system, every share in land was enforced with the threat of the guillotine.
>>533555361Yes.>>533555142>Its bad all over the place. We are going to be super fucked here when dems get a super majority because Trump went off the rails.Just image what happens in 2028-2032 if the Dems win house, senate and WH.
>>533557116>The last Canadian labor movement, the NDP lost most of its support, and we are looking at becoming a two party system.>>533557367>NDP are a dead end,The NDP is going the way of the federal Social Credit party. I seriously don't see any way forward for them.
>>533563266Canadians in general are very “Liberal” ideologically, in the English sense not the current American one where it just means a leftist.I think the intensity of the Woke era spooked a lot of normalfags and made them turn against that sort of stuff, which the NDP is now stuck bagholding along with trying to be the patron for randomMigrant blocsI remember as a kid living up north Ontario, the NDP was the default party for most working class rural people, ow they never vote NDP since they became the Toronto Party under Layton and then Mulcair and Jagmeet.Layton was still pretty labour focused, but spent too much time on Toronto issues which no one else cared about except students and “Da Yoof”.
>>533564116Since you're here, let me run this past you.If the Alberta independence referendum goes ahead (spoiler alert: it will be easily defeated), Carney will call an election to be held a week later since he has to campaign during the referendum, may as well kill two birds with one stone. PP and the conservatives scrambling to not take sides in the referendum and stumbling every which way. The Liberals win a modest but comfortable majority. The Conservatives lose more seats. Current NDP leader Avi Lewis again fails to win a seat.1. Does this scenario seem likely to you?2. Does Lewis step down if he still can't win a seat?3. Where the hell does PP run? He wants to run in Ontario, but there's nowhere safe for him.
>>533552892You can't stop what is coming next. That means that population collapse. Nobody will be working.
>>533562806>imagineyep. the reason dems are quiet on a lot of trump's dealings is because they want their turn flexing power.the epstein files mention members from both parties
>>533564679I always watch Canadian news and the big thing for me is the number of defections to the liberal party lately.“Far left” MPs as well as “far right” ones.Lots of Canadian political commentators online crying about how this is “bad for Canadian democracy” as if that exists, in reality I see this as a sign of the elite consolidating and coming to some sort of consensus plan for the next few years.I doubt there will be another election soon, since Carney already has a majority thanks to MP defections. IMO this consolidation will continue and the liberal-nationalist rhetoric will pick up even more so long as the Americans continue to be unstable.I think Alberta independence is a dead issue simply because Trump came out in support of it.Even if Albertans hate Ottawa, I lived in Calgary long enough to know they don’t actually want to be absorbed by the USA.
>>533552892What is to stop AI from replacing the "new jobs"?
