They used to speak only Russian just a few years ago and the world didn't end
>>533575953>Why do Russians thinkThey don't. At least scientists haven't found any evidence they do yet.
>>533576005Why did that change?
>>533575953The russians don't want to destroy the ukrainian language, they just want to kill the gay people. I am sure they would be fine with forcing russjans to learn ukrainian if ukraine joined russia
>>533576042That wasn't OP's question. Point is - its not a big deal if they stop speaking it. Although I personally do not care much what they speak.
>>533576005why do Ukrainians speak russian
>>533576107>That wasn't OP's questionI know, it was my question. You don't know the answer, do you?
Name 5 differences.t. does not speak either language
>>533576190They don't speak it because SMO happened and now many of them dislike Russia and Russian lamguage. What does this have to do with OP's question?
>>533575953The Ukrainian language literally is Russian. It's just a peasant dialect.
>>533575953because they are literally the same language lmao ukrainian sounds a bit weirder but its like calling american english and british english different because they pronounce everything differently
>>533576306>They don't speak it because SMO happened and now many of them dislike Russia and Russian lamguage.So you did know the answer then.
>>533576107Good. Then you shouldn't have a problem spraking arab a few years down the line
>>533575953they legit don't believe Ukrainian culture or history exists, and that muscovites is the origin of everything.
>>533576371>>533576462Why is Putin seething about the oppression of Russian speakers in Ukraine then if Russian and Ukrainian are the same language?
>>533576531Sometimes I forget just how retarded you guys are
>>533576636can russian speaker understand Ukrainian or belarusian language
>>533576723Can a Berliner understand someone from Issime?
>>533576723Yes. Not sure about Belorussian - never heard it and its rarely used by anyone. Russians can understand Ukrainian, its almost identical, although you have to guess like 10% of words based on context and some words are kind of funny. Like if I wrote "vellage" instead of "village" you would likely understand still.
Ukrainian is like french creol in Louisiana. You can make out some of what they say but it aint french or english.Globohomo just promotes it to divide and isolate the people
>>533576575it would be like if Ebonics was made the official language of Florida instead of English.
>>533576575So if you were forced to speak pidgin-English which niggers use, and punished for speaking a regular English, you'd be ok with that?
>>533576042Jews promoted Ukrainization since USSR and before that it was poles. >>533576121because they always did, thats the point and an answer on its own to your question, Ukrainian is not a language that have ever existed on its own without being enforced by others. >>533576723Depends on the individual, sort like ebonics, some can recognize it right away, some are completely lost. Another example is UK, there is like 50 different accents and some can sound like completely different language
>>533575953>Why do Russians thinkWe don't. At least the scientists from Thailand haven't found any evidence we do yet.
>>533576972Why not just speak how you want and not fight some war millions of people die in?
>>533575953Russian is an actual language while oinkrainian is a worthless pidgin that sounds like ass and has no practical application of any kind.You know it's fake and gay when they're constantly butchering foreign words and adding them to their vocabulary.Even "Ukrainians" themselves speak Russian in private and use it in their higher education.
>>533577130In order to prevent the strategic NATO expansion that limits Russian capabilities in the Black Sea. Also to defend freedom and democracy of Ukrainians from Kiev's regime.
>>533577259it's mixed with Polish, if you've never heard Polish (99% of Russia) then Ukrainian sounds weird
>>533577121Russians thought long and hard about Ukraine, believed their Muscovite propaganda and got stuck in the trenches, effectively destroying their economy and population. Seems like the scientists are on to something.
>>533577286its funny how you know so little about your own country
>>533575953They are globohomo so they want a one world govt
>>533577316this is why >ukraine shouldn't existif then always followed by>poland shouldn't existbecause Ukraine exists as the buffer between them hence its name
>>533577380It's sad that you think so little of your own country that you don't dare to post with a real flag
>>533577286>In order to prevent the strategic NATO expansionFinland and Sweden are in NATO now.
>>533575953literally nobody cares about urkanian language even hohols themselves.In fact they're using Russian language increasingly more now because government is trying to force them to speak urkanian.
Plus they used the language competency scam to purge Russians from all government jobs in Ukraine. Vadim Troyan was one of the top AZOV commanders and he was police chief in Kiev then all of Ukraine and he fired Russians and filled the police depts.with his AZOV nazi larping buddies.He is now secretary of the interior.
>>533575953Same when Germans say it's not a big deal if the saxonian dialect dies. Nobody needs it.
>>533577316It also has a lot of turkic loanwords to make things even worse. Basically it's a peasant bumpkin dialect being elevated to a language by endless government astroturfing.It's not a functional language.
>>533575953They dont even allow russian dialects in their country. Closest thing to a dialect they have is one part speaking letter o slowly or something like that. >>533576005Belarus also speaked russian kek.One croatian island has more dialects than biggest country on planet . Russian isnt even that good. For a slavic language your spelling system is pretty dumb.
>>533576561>they legit don't believe Ukrainian culture or history existsit doesn'tTHE ukraine is just a region, not a nationality
>>533576944I doubt anyone would care. Not even your country. You have scottish welsh I wount even mention your dialects that barely anyoone understands. Russians would probably nuke something like Liverpool.
>>533577458>Finland and Sweden are in NATO now.What do those have to do with the Black Sea? Like the Ukrainian men, NATO kikes use anybody as a punching bag so long as it weakens Russia, severes Russia's relations with it's neighbours which in turn makes the anti Russia propaganda that much easier and it opens the door to coups. Stalin was right about everything.
Every language needs protection, I wish we could someday have a planet for each language ever spoken on earth.
Russian glowniggers should start doing this job
>>533577769on a fundamental level you can say that about any place. it's a dumb argument. Ukraine broke free from the mongols before the muscovites did. Muscovites like to think that Ukrainian history and culture stems from Moscow. It does not. They were part of the Lithuania Poland rule while moscow was still part of Mongol rule.
>>533578224Good job on parroting low IQ propaganda but you're probably just a hohol and hohols are are allergic to history.
>>533575953>why>russiansanon you learned nothing from the last 4 years.
>>533578332good job of refuting arguments with ad hominems
>>533575953There's only like 2 or 3 languages that would suck to lose. The planet could honestly be purged of like 40 shit tier third world languages
>>533578452You haven't made any arguments. You're just typing out wakanda-tier pseudohistory based on the assumption that "Ukraine" is a historic nation/ethnicity, which is not based on reality either.Arguing with you is like arguing with a nigger.
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>>533576005Millions of civilians in the soviet union starved to death and the world didnt end, was that also not a big deal?
>>533578537Ukraine's history doesn't stem from Moscow, and my argument is that they were part of Lithuania Poland rule while Muscovites were still part of Mongol rule. If you want to be a history revisionist then be my guest.
>>533578749if you love ukrop history so much, tell me why they worked with a nazis in WW2
>>533578749"They" who? You don't know anything about "their" ethnic composition through the history. You don't know anything who inhabited which regions, and when.You don't even know anything about "them" in the current day.
>>533576561>they legit don't believe Ukrainian culture or history exists,Why are you legit lying faggot. When have Russians ever said that Ukrainian culture and history do not exist?>muscovites Who are they and are you supposed to be an ethhnic Swede and not an Ukrainian?
>>533578959
>>533578964I'm not talking about ethnicity at all though, I'm talking about historic claims to regions, culture and history.
>>533578224>Muscovites like to think that Ukrainian history and culture stems from MoscowIs this claim based on reality? Why are the khazaria always always the first in line to rock the D&C boat. Why do the biggest anti Russian yids come from the ex khazarian region which is now shared between Belarus, Okraina and Polen?
>>533578224>Muscovites like to think that Ukrainian history and culture stem from Moscow.OK, tell me the 10 biggest cultural and historical changes, innovations, etc., that came from Ukraine, not Russia, in the last 300 years. Name them and document them. You are deluded faggot. Why not give me your crazy talk that Ukrainians, way darker than ethnic Russians, are Vikings? Nobody is more retarded and brainwashed than Ukrainians with their now totally fake history given to them by Jews in the media and the deranged thinking that they belong to Western Europe. You don't, and Western Europeans will never accept you. Deal with it faggot.
>>533579056I'm sorry but I don't really know what to tell you you here. Read through the thread. It's a very common pro-russian talking point.
>>533579228>top 10 innovationskom igen
>>533579121Claims to which region exactly? Claims by whom?
>>533577316You are retarded. Everyone in Russia understands kurwabober lingo just fine, but it doesn't even matter. Original "Ukrainian" had barely 100 words different from Russian, while modern "Ukrainian" has been receiving daily patches for 10 years, gradually replacing all the words. And they do it in rounds, with first round just being swapping part of words for synonyms (like you replace "overseer" with "abovewatcher") - which Russians consider dumb but understandable. And the second round is replacing the understandable word with slightly different one (so "abovewatcher" becomes "babuvetcher") - and those are already hard to understand if you don't just know them.
The khazarians are sore losers is why. Still butthurt several generations later that the Tsarist Russia put an end to their kikery
>>533577769Spoken by a mutt. What are you then not even a region your country should be london overseas territory.
>>533578224>Ukraine broke free from the mongols before the muscovites did.Really, homo? Ukraine managed to break free from the Mongols? HOW did you do that, and how did the Russians do that?
>>533579354Are you for real?
>>533579394Ukraine became part of the lithuania poland rule, while Moscow was still under Mongol rule. What's so confusing?
>>533579416Are you? What is the "Ukrainian" culture exactly? Where does it originate? Which ethnic/cultural group is responsible for it? Which regions are meant to encompass the said culture and why?You don't know shit.
>>533579299>I'm sorry but I don't really know what to tell you you here.Don't just run away, lying faggot, document your pathetic and childish claim>>533579352Come, you rambled on about Ukrainian culture and history didn't came from Russia, so name all those songs, cultural heritage, academic and technological innovations, etc, that came from Ukraine the last 300 years and not Russia. Do it.
>>533577316It's Polish gyppo dialect mixed with Ukrainian old Church Slavonic but with a villager-tier dialect. Abomination otop of abominable.
>>533575953Ukrainian is a made up language. Like Esperanto but inferior.
>>533579528At this point you're basically saying that Norway is rightfully Swedish soil. You're being silly.
>>533579475>Ukraine became part of the lithuania poland ruleOh, so when you HOMO talks about breaking FREE from the Mongols, you actually talk about being occupied by another force. Got it. Russians managed to stand up to the Mongols and they fought themselves free from them. Ukrainians did not. Again, what is it with you Ukrainians and your insane lying and fake history that you got from media Jews? The war in Ukraine now is solely due to you idiots being duped by Jews.
>>533579556Mixed with Tatar and Turkish words also. The modern "Ukrainian" is a recent creation by the way as this guy explained:>>533579356It's literally astroturfed through pure butthurt and delusions.
>>533579210>Is this claim based on reality?Of course not. The first “rus” state was close to modern st. petersburg. Then they moved to Kiev and expanded from there. No one believes moscow is the origin of anything.
>>533579518The idea that people from Moscow has a claim to Ukraine is absurd. The idea that because they are ethnically the same or similar enough, and that gives them the right to their land is beyond stupid.>You don't know shit.You haven't made a single good point in this thread.
>>533579727I accept your surrender. Now go do something more productive, like dilating.
>>533579640>At this point you're basically saying that Norway is rightfully Swedish soil.How? Kalmar unionen? How would that lead to us being under Sweden, or are you talking about after the Napoleon wars? We have had our independence, language, culture and history intact, while Ukraine never had that. Give me your oldest Ukrainian national song, currency and flag, homo. The destruction of the Christian East Slavs is an utter disaster, and you fucked up and moronic Ukrainian morons, are to blame. Do you, idiot, know who was behind the Holodomor? You Ukrainians had your own commission looking into it, and it was buried due to Jewish pressure, and now you morons blame the Russians for it, totally against your own investigation.
>>533579656Börjar fan tro att du inte är norrman. Låter som en pro-rysk ukrainare.>>533579799lol good one.
>>533579838you sound like a closet faggot with all this homo talk
>>533579838It’s closer to the relation between Scania and Stockholm than Norway and Sweden. Norway was independent for centuries before the Kalmar Union, but Scania was always passed around.
>>533579860I am 100% Norwegian, newfag, and I have been in both Ukraine and Russia. Why are you so pro-Ukrainian? You don't sound Swedish at all. >>533579895>you sound like a closet faggot with all this homo talk>Yea, I'm gay, pic related, so what?
>1989>don't you worry Mr. Gorbachev we will never expand NATO one inch beyond the border of East Germany >2022>Wtf Russians are fucking monsters how dare they start a war instead of letting NATO completely encircle them!
Just a reminder that the muscovian swamp is a degenerate shithole full of AIDS, divorces, gay porn, raping and similar African shit.Mongoloids were never and will never be European.
>>533579994I'm sure your friends at school will be really proud of you.
>>533579210>biggest anti Russian yids come from the ex khazarian region which is now shared between Belarus, Okraina and Polen?It was russian pale settlment and russia was to weak towards jews that keept jewing local population with backing of the state. Russia tried to limit explotation somewhat with no results but jids got mad and invented goverment backed pogroms because of it.
>>533580040Ah, the stupid Jew knowing nothing about Slovakian culture and history is here again. The paid Jewish and rabid anti-Christian, anti-Russian faggot. Pic related. >>533580079You talk like a child and you haven't been able to answer a single question.
>>533580167>The paid Jewish and rabid anti-Christian, anti-Russian faggot. So Putin?
>>533580040>>533580286Have you ever been to Russia, Jew?
>>533580167Anti Christian? Since when are swamp Mongolians Christian?>>533580335I have no need to go anywhere near that unimportant shithole.
>>533580167Let me tell you, I'm Swedish, I couldn't care less about historic cultural music from Ukraine. The argument is very simple, Ukrainian history does not stem from Moscow, Muscovites have no claim to Ukraine. Both kiev and moscow were under mongol rule, and kiev cut its ties to mongols before moscow ever did. They have separate histories.Your line of reasoning is akin to saying that Sweden has claim to Norway or Denmark, or let's say that northern part of Norway as legal claim to take over southern part of Norway, and overthrow the government. It's utterly absurd.
>>533580404Aaaaand of course the paid Jewish NAFO spammer has never been to Russia, yet spamming like he know the place, all day, every day.
>>533578959Daddy Stalin was against them genociding poles.
>>533580535Funny how you think I'm NAFO or some other plebbit shit. I'm quite happy that the war isn't ending, as that means more dead mongoloids.Just a little revenge for when these mongoloids dared to occupy European land.
>>533580524>MuscovitesWhy would a Swede ever use that typical Ukrainain derogatory term for Russians? And why are you so rabidly anti-Russian if you are a Swede. As I already told you, I have been in both places, had friends both places and warned the Ukrainians what would happen and how dangerous it would be for their people and culture to get close to the EU and NATO, just look at the Baltic states and they did not listen. And now we have this devastating war. Ukraine was so great before the War, and Ukrainians suffered so inansely much at the hands of Jews and not Russians.
>>533577286What capabilities? The ability to drop VDV directly into the water and let them drown, or the ability to let their flagships randomly catch fire and sink?
>>533577259All languages are real languages, it just depends how powerful the central polities are to standardize them.For example, Galician and Basque and Catalonian are just as real as languages as Castillian Spanish is; but the centre of Castille became the centre of Spanish power so got spread to the world. If Kiev had remained the power in the Russian world, then Ukranian would be the 'Russian' spoken across the continent, and Russian would be known as Muscovite and a local dialect limited to the Moscow area.
>>533580524Now, it would be like Skåne suddenly demanding independence, their own unique history and language, and then start to persecute Swedish speakers and even kill them, joining military alliance with Russia and ramble on about getting nuclear weapons to nuke Sweden in case of war. It's insane.
>>533578959Okay, but technically so did you. And so so did the Russians. And so did we but only because we were tsundere toward America.
>>533579945Ah, Skåne = Scania in English, didn't know that. Yep you totally correct. Their own dialect, like Ukraine, due to them being Danish speakers originally.
>>533580694Ok I should clear up a few things then, I use the term Muscovites because that is where that ideology stems from, the idea that Ukraine's history originate from Moscow. That is why.>And why are you so rabidly anti-Russian if you are a SwedeOh wow, first, politically most Swedes are anti-Russia. I'm not against the Russian people though. I'm very much in favor of a healthy Russia, and it pains me to see Russian people struggle like this, in a pointless war, because of stupid propaganda. They are being played like a fiddle, stuck in a dictatorship run by a madman who made poor decisions.>As I already told youI couldn't care less where you've been>I have been in both placesI've been to both Odessa and St. Petersburg> warned the Ukrainians what would happenWhat we're seeing being played out is an absolute tactical error by the Russians. They destroy their entire country, and for what exactly?
>>533577458>Finland and Sweden are in NATO now.It's geography. You can't into any ground operation from Finland, entire border is a fucking endless swamp. And who even cares about Sweden?
>>533580786No it wouldn't. Ukraine is already independent, and has been for a long time. This has nothing to do with why Russia invade Ukraine, it's because Putin thought he could get away with it, and didn't like the idea that Ukraine would leave his sphere of power. This would be closer to Russia wanting to take over Finland again because they at one point occupied it. This is nonsense.
>>533580969>Oh wow, first, politically most Swedes are anti-RussiaYou mean totally brainwashed by media. You are now on /pol/. Plebbit is that way. >I've been to both Odessa and St. PetersburgAs a tourist or you are Ukrainian (most likely). >What we're seeing being played out is an absolute tactical error by the Russians. They destroy their entire country, and for what exactly?You mean strategic. Set aside the crazy human rights abuses by Ukraininans againt ethnic Russians, the Cuban Missile Crisis alone explains why Russia was forced to react. There is no way in hell they can have a hostile nation seeking both NATO membership and nuclear weapons that close to both Moscow and St. Petersburg. That a democratically elected government was overthrown by a coup designed by and supported by Jews in US State Dep, didn't help. You fucking Ukrainian pagancucks and homosexuals (LGBT+ community in Ukraine) are to blame for this disaster.
>>533580969Whenever I read drivel like this from that flag I just think it's a shame Peter the Great and Denmark didn't follow through with the joint invasion of Sweden.
>>533581264>independent, and has been for a long timeYou mean a few decades, artificially trying to make a nation-state that never ever existed in history for more than a year.
>>533578959Because they didn't know if the Nazis would kill them and steal their food or not, but knew that Russia had before and would again. 'My enemy's enemy is my friend', and all that. It's the same reason that the IRA sought support from the Nazis to attack Britain.
>>533581430Most of the Ukrainians ended up fighting for Stalin in the end. Imagine how much of a piece of shit the German Army had to be to the locals for that to happen.
>>533581312No see you're just eating up the easy RT state pieces. If you think Putin is it in out of the goodness of his heart then you're just gullible. But whatever, you're dug in in your ways. Have a good one.
>>533581357what's your main point of contention?
>>533580694> Why would a Swede ever use that typical Ukrainain derogatory term for Russians?His name is Mykola and he’s a draft dodger.
>>533581514Putin clearly didn't want the war and when he asked Ukraine and the West to fulfil their part of the Minsk agreements, after having waited for many years, Zelensky rolled his eyes and laughted, Merkel stated openly that the peace treaty was just to gain time before a full war and Macron told Putin that the peace treaty was only legally binding and there was nothing he could do about it, no matter how much the West and Ukraine did not fullfil their part of the agreement. Just fucking shameful and fuck you if you support it. The worst war on European soil, slaughtering more than one million White men for nothing, thanks to faggots like you and globohomo politicians in the West. >>533581696Ah, makes sense. Tusen takk.
>>533581696No, I don't really mind Russians, but when we're talking about the notion that Ukraine's history stem from Moscow, I think the term is accurate to the ideology and propaganda.
>>533580851The zoomers doesn’t understand a word of Danish today.
>>533581789Putin clearly did want Ukraine, and didn't want Ukraine to put up any resistance. Poor judgement on his part.
>>533581551Pretending you care about Russian people while regurgitating propaganda and promoting the civil war they have in the Ukraine. Kike behaviour.Even for the Ukrainians the current state of affairs is objectively worse than if "Moscovites" were ruling instead.
>>533576005I do not care about that place, it not my problem; throw zelensky out.
>>533581883I'm in favor of stopping this war. The claim to the war is propped up by propaganda that Russia has rightful claim to Ukraine, which is nonsense.>Even for the Ukrainians the current state of affairs is objectively worse than if "Moscovites" were ruling instead.Same for the Russians, we are in an objectively worse timeline because of what Putin did. For both Ukrainians and Russians.
>>533581974Varför bekymrar du dig om en massa slaver när vårt eget land håller på att gå under pga blattar & negrer?
>>533582408Du har inte fel. Vi har absolut viktigare problem på hemmaplan, men om man ska bekymra sig geopolitiskt så påstår jag ändå att Ryssland är fel ute.Det finns också en större poäng att göra att hålla Europa ekonomsikt starkt, egentligen främst mot Kina, och då handlar det om att stödja de mindre nationerna. Vi kan inte ha grannar som inte kan te sig.
>>533580031USSR collapsed because near the end they were ruled by old retards that were out of touch with reality, same as EUSSR todayWords of bureaucrats have no value, they are empty, might makes rightThere is a word "Moralizer" that describes all randomly generated words that european politicians speak on cameraMost Nafo and EU shills are out of touch with reality moralizers
>>533575953a) It's not a language.b) It's not gonna die out, a lot of people in Russia proper speak the dialect.
>>533581868BullshitUkraine has been trying to kick Russia out of Crimea since 2014. They will never give up Sevestipol for its straregic value.The globohomo plan was.to steal all the gas and oil from the black sea.Same as every NATO war.
>>533583594You say bullshit, but you also didn't reply to what I said. Putin clearly wanted this war, and you're gullible for believing otherwise.
>>533583723You are an idiot or a shill.Poroshenko was so corrupt he is now on Kievs kill list. Separatists were 100% justified in thier sucession from an opressive crooked governnent that was robbing them blind and pushing the faggot agenda in thier schools.Soros and USAID starting giving them textbooks in the 90s rewriting history to make Russians look like opressors. Exactly what they did in the USA with black lives matter propaganda.Beware of jews bearing free textbooks
>>533577130>Why not just speak how you want and not fight some war millions of people die in?Dunno, ask the Ukrainians.
>>533580722>If Kiev had remained the power in the Russian world, then Ukranian would be the 'Russian' spoken across the continent, and Russian would be known as Muscovite and a local dialect limited to the Moscow area.No, because "Ukrainian" is a peasant sociolect. Urban residents of Kiev have always spoken standard Russian from the beginning of the city's foundation.
>>533577037>there is like 50 different accents and some can sound like completely different languageYounger people have much softer accents than older ones I notice. Increased mobility of people and exposure outside of your local group is diminishing them.But still there are places I go where I really struggle to understand some stuff that people say. Like Kelso.
>>533584031See people, these are the jews you are looking for. Agitators for war in Europe.Putin wanted this war, and Russians and Ukrainians alike have to pay for it. The only winners in this conflict are the Chinas and Indias of the world. Poor form.
“Ukrainians” can’t even speak “Ukrainian”. It’s literally a fake language that gets regular updates as this Russian said. There’s basically no one who speaks full “Ukrainian”.
