WW3 won't happen because 99% of all armies in the world are outdated
>>533619702Why no breach load mortars?Make a rail to lift and drop the round internally after loading it through a breech mechanism.I could design this in 20 minutes with a pencil. Why can’t Germany?
Ww3 is a culling warThe tech doesn't matter only the sheer numbers eliminated
>>533619838Its probably just a performative arm loader for demonstrations. The final model would have an internal armored loader.
>>533619838probably too complex
>>533620052??? The fuck?
>>533619702This must be a buzz adaptor for artillery in the wake of artificial absence
>>533619838Inherently weaker tube, more mechanical bits that can break, worse rate of fire, more expensive to manufacture at scale, and will not be able to use vast existing stockpiles of mortar bombs.There are breech loaded mortars, but usually since they have such a heavy bore that they cannot be safely drop-fired, like the 2S4 Tyulpan.
>>533619702ww3 will happen because jews no longer need so many goycattle and there needs to be a culling.you of all people should know. you and your sister country are big experts of sending goycattle to the meatgrinder.
>>533619838They exist but the mortar tube on this thing is probably the toughest thing to manufacture. All the other components can be purchased from China, the mortar itself is taken from reserve stocks.
>>533620052nah its final design
>>533619838That basic design hasn't lasted as long as it has because it's faulty. if it ain't broke don't fix it
>>533620408>>533619702this is the only one that russia will build.which is a good thing since it's completely useless.the shitiest fpv drone is better than this
>>533619702that piece of shit would be vastly improved as a mlrs
>>533620408>>533619702Cool, but quiet slow. It would be detected by Ukrainian army instantly.
>>533619702Nah, your experiences showed very well they'll use the beginning of the war to rid themselves of old stock.You could observe the same during WW2.
>>533619927So was every war before. Numbers games and good enough.I find it incredibly funny the "west" have gone for the same retarded rabbithole hitler did during ww2. Chasing wunderwaffles at the cost of the "good enough" that works perfectly when used in great numbers.
Nigga I just got off a Twitter space with people from all over the world. Iran, Israel, USA, Europe, China and many others. Everyone got along and we are all similar people. I’m not dying in ww3 to fight a bunch of other people just like me who don’t want to fight in a war for the Epstein cabal. War is gay and the people who hate us only want war to kill us off.
>>533620332At this rate and in this political board, a world war 3 against the kikes and jewsa is way more likely than a world war against anyone else.
+ NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO GO DIE IN SOME DITCH FOR BULLSHIT PARANOID BOOMER REASONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADRESSED IN THERAPY
>>533619702>WW3 won't happen because 99% of all armies in the world are outdatedWe're on like WW5 at this point anon, try to keep up.Not all wars are fought through guns on a field.
>>533619838The point of a mortar is to be able to drop fired. Breech loading mortars would need the ammunition to be designed around it.It would be possible to just create second barrel, like a shotgun, fill it with ammunition and use a simple sprocket mechanism to drop it in one by one, maybe even add several, independently loadable tubes instead of the arm. It could probably fire a lot faster and carry more ammo. The next step would be to put wings on the mortar shell and a small electric motor. This pone is just a tech demonstrator anyway, showing that even complex battlefield robots are feasible to use.
>>533619838Europe is where this concept originated actually, Russia just copied it.
>>533620408They couldn't figure out how to launch it from the back end but instead used some retarded arm contraption?
>>533620293A tracked mortar launcher with an exposed arm is an extremely desirable target for a single sniper with an anti material rifle. An aerial drone would score big just hitting the ground next to this thing with a fragmentation bomb. If they're going to use arms to load existing stockpile mortars, just send infantry.
>>533620742Lmao, boomer armchair generals are hilarious.
>>533620496compared to what?human operated mortar is a stationary weapon
>>533619702Aww that's so kawaii.
>>533620785cool filter bro.are you brown or a real slav?
>>533619702Russia cant even beat ukraine, safe to say we'll all be fine
>>533619702That was true in WWI as well. And still true but to a lesser extent in WWII. WWIII won't happen because the citizens of most of the potential belligerent countries would rather kill draft officers than enemy soldiers.
>>533620509retard there is no old stock left anywhere
>>533620649Maybe it was designed this way if the arm malfunctions then it could still be used manually.
>>533620784Probably better off just sticking a mortar launcher in a truck than making one of these things.
>>533620961In the beginning of WW1 the French didn't even have helmets. They thought they would just walk over the Germans.
>>533620897EEUU can't beat Iran and China I bet will also struggle with the island so yes, regular armies are obsolete with something bigger than fighting guerrilas
>>533619702That might actually be why WW3 happens- use the old arsenals while they are not completely outdated.
>>533620961What about if China and Pakistan and India had some serious destabilizing event that resulted in mass casualties and serious disruption to international trade? Surely we can get mass death and war somehow.
>>533620897Ukraine war is a stalemate due to drones and mines. Now each side is building their own mechanized armies to win. We are entering the robot wars lol.
>>533620784He's right thoughThe modular german one they can put on any vehicle that the Russians badly copied at least has most of the exposed ammo protected by steel
>>533620742Infantry are twice as vulnerable to the things you mentioned. This thing clearly isn't designed to be invincible, but to be just good enough and also expendable. Not to mention that mortars are crew-served weapons and this drone removes the vulnerability of one casualty in a mortar crew nullifying the weapon system.I would imagine that it is likely more accurate with first-round hit rate being able to benefit from spotters/spotter drones feeding firing vectors to it, or to several of them at once all firing at one target in a battery salvo.Since it is a small vehicle as opposed to a team of mortarmen humping the tube, baseplate, sight, and mortar bombs - it can shoot, scoot, redeploy, and receive new fire missions much quicker than any team of soldiers would be reasonably capable of. All whilst being much more expendable and less vulnerable to fatigue.
>>533619702This is one of the most autistic retarded things I've ever seen... Fucking why? Even the m1e3 finally went autoloader. This is infinitely more complicated and prone to mistake for zero fucking reason
>>533619702>99% of all armies in the world are outdatedjust buy a few drones off temu and your up-to-date with contemporary jewfare
>>533621305You are fucking stupid. Explain the advantage of an external loading arm... I want to see how your retard fucking brain works.
>>533621398Because it's Russia and they are the Africans of the European countries.
>>533621562Good thing they are Asian I guess eh retard?
>>533619702World war 1 was like that too at first
>>533619838Because it's not a weapon that was created in a first-world nation. They cannot afford to design weapons, or at least, they cannot afford to manufacture them. This weapon is using pre-existing tubes and shells, which cuts down dramatically on manufacturing costs.As a US citizen, you've made the big error of assuming other nations can produce nearly a fraction of our armaments. Most nations are still maintaining armories of weapons from the 60s and 70s.
>>533619838>Why no breach load mortars?There are breach loaded mortars, Russia has some pretty neat ones actually like the automatic 2B9 Vasilek. This one is probably not using a breach loaded mortar since it's probably basically just a robotic operator for an existing mortar system.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXahKJJMws>>533620293>more mechanical bits that can break, worse rate of fire, more expensive to manufacture at scaleThose don't really apply when the comparison is to using a robot arm to load it. >will not be able to use vast existing stockpiles of mortar bombs.I think it's this and the robot probably uses existing mortar tubes.>>533622178>Because it's not a weapon that was created in a first-world nation.which you can easily tell from the fact that it actually has been built rather than being a program that cost 50 billion dollars before eventually being canceled.
>>533621532Use your imagination dipshit. It's simply a practical requirement in order to use preexisting ammunition stockpiles for drop-fired mortars, which was probably a driving part of the rationale for this design. I bet the tube itself is also recycled from something that not only already exists, but already has tooling set up and stockpiled parts and completed units.What would you suggest? Some kind of carousel loader mounted above the tube? More mechanical complexity, more things to break, probably significantly heavier as well whilst also being able to carry far fewer mortar bombs compared to a box that an arm reaches into. An ammo carousel scheme mounted high up would also unacceptably raise the center of gravity and spoil its ability to cross minor obstacles and also elevate the ammunition to an exposed location even if this thing was sitting in a hull-down position since the mortar bombs would be on the highest portion of the vehicle.Breech loaded mortars were already mentioned but that would result in much increased cost, significantly reduced rate of fire, new ammo required, etc.A mechanical arm being essentially the only moving part for the firing sequence reduces engineering complexity compared to the alternatives, and is probably less vulnerable to say, a shell splinter or drone bomb fragmentation entering a mortarman loader's body, nullifying the whole weapon system if carried by infantry.Even if the metal arm got destroyed or damaged, that's literally one part to replace. A part that's essentially just a metal beam with some kind of clasping bit at the end. As opposed to a whole suite of mechanical bits for the alternatives of things that can break.Every design feature has trade-offs. Lowering unit cost is also an advantage to procurement to anyone that isn't the entrenched asinine grifting nonsense of the Western MIC.
>>533622178They are producing weapons to win wars. You are producing weapons so the M-I complex can make money.
>>533621298From what I can tell this is a traditional hand loaded, muzzle loading mortar.
>>533622178The US still uses these.
>>533621305There may be some situations where sending a very, very cheap arm loader drone makes sense like as you said in expendable situations. Another good situation would be to have a mortar drone loiter and then activate in the field ready to go. But in most cases I can't see how they would be better than infantry. These drones can't fire a mortar from an entrenched position in a forest or a ruined building. The tracks will make the mortar less mobile than infantry that can cut across terrain except when track navigable terrain is the majority. A specialized launcher and mortar designed for precision firing with drone targeting may be more accurate than infantry mortars. But mortars aren't meant to be accurate to begin with, they're just for prolonged short range indirect fire mostly to keep enemy infantry from poking their heads up. With an entire spotting system in place to assist the drone mortar targeting, may as well have infantry cooperating with the spotter system instead IMO.
>>533619702the second great patriotic war already happened though, in korea, vietnam, afghanistan, ukraine, iran, etc...armies do seem outdated at this point given the outcome of the latter two, soon aliexpress will sell reusable rockets for the price of a tesla>>533620408why no tactical nuke mortar round though?
>>533622834Which has massive advantages over the dog shit pipebot assuming you don't have 3iq Russians coordinating the fire.
>>533619702Ww3 will be the first new modern army curb stomping the entire planet systematically.
>>533622881>why no tactical nuke mortar round though?Disable the drone, capture a nuke to use against the enemy that fielded it.
>>533622178This is perhaps the stupidest take I've ever read all today.
>>533622985But it also has one major disadvantage, the guy who has to use it. This mortar bot, crude as it is, is an attempt to address the realities of drone hell warfare where infantry mostly just exist to generate enemy propaganda.
This is meaninglessly complicated. why?
The future of warfare is hillbillies in space blanket capes driving around in technicals with pump action shotguns, supported by windowless vans with drone teams, simply executing, displacing, and kidnapping civilians in loosely organized or unorganized guerilla chevauchées, using non-combatants lives, and societal infrastructure as leverage against the civilian population to suggest them away from loyalty to their governing establishment.
>>533623263Right but the entire advantage of drone warfare is low cost highly effective and accurate munitions. To make this useful you need a drone in the air anyways. This is literally a pointless step backwards. If you are close enough for mortars use a fucking drone. This is a big expensive target that will last 5 minutes. Before it's comms are jammed and it's destroyed. It's a retard idea
>>533623263Less than a quarter of the range of a fiber optic drone... Nigger tier retarded
>>533623565You can't shoot down a mortar round.
>>533623597You don't need to you dumb faggot. These will be dead 18km from where they would be effective. Everyone here is actually stupid.
>>533619702Seems like only the Israelis want forever wars. Honestly china's policy is to help indirectly, Russia is stagnated in Ukraine and Taiwan most likely will just surrender every other country is too weak to start a war, Latin America,pfttt, it's a joke. Bet for more regional conflicts and special military operations for years until the whole world is ruined, that's your world War. So in big way nothingness ever happens.
>>533620897>Russia cant even beat ukraineWhat's the difference between Ukraine and Poland? Or Germany for that matter?
Oh also it's unmanned so it needs to be yelling a fucking signal at the people operating it as it crawls along. So it's a giant fucking glowing slow moving expensive target with minimal range that needs a drone spotter to be effective. Did I say fucking retarded?
>>533623487A mortar round is a fraction of the cost of a drone. And while counter measures against drones are not currently super effective, they do exist and have the potential to get better. But there's not a whole lot you can do to intercept a mortar.If a mortar bot can lay down enough fire before it's destroyed, it can wind up being more cost effective than the drone that hits it. Will that be the case for this specific iteration of this idea? Most likely not. But the idea itself can theoretically work. The first tanks were pretty shit too. But people stuck with them and they ended up working out.Full blown drone warfare is even more about resource management than regular war. If someone can develop a drone that is able to do ten times the damage of a single strike suicide drone for only double the cost, it would be a significant advantage.
>>533623879No it isn't. Literally everything you think is wrong because you are stupid and don't know anything and just say the first retarded thing you think
>>533622877Design considerations aside, I'm not really sure what the need for a special mortar drone would be exactly for a role that wouldn't include several of these units operating as some kind of shorter range mobile battery all firing at the same target. Expendable so there are still bombs being hurled at that common target even if one or more units are destroyed.Arm debate for what it is, which I think is more for pragmatic rather than optimal reasons, I'd imagine first-round hit rate is higher, it can redeploy faster than a team of mortarmen, and can probably open fire more quickly on a new target after receiving a firing vector, then move away from its firing position quickly after firing.This drone at a glance it seems like both the arm and tube can be stowed when not ready to fire. Its entire purpose seems to be able to use mortars in situations where a mortar team would encounter anti-infantry drones and is probably armored only as much as needed to defeat small arms and fragmentation, and whilst presenting a much smaller silhouette than say a BMP sitting back and using its gun for indirect fire, which apparently is a role that vehicle has often found itself in Ukraine. And removing men from the equation as potential casualties.Generally, mortars are anti-infantry weapons or for destroying buildings. It's not a tank or IFV, but is like a tiny robotic self-propelled gun(mortar).
>>533623879Dumb faggot. Plus the drone is more accurate with a better effect on target per round used. The correct counter would have been to point out that the drones often have a mortar round as the payload doubling the cost. But you didn't say that because you are stupid... And again the point is you need to spam mortars because a fucking drone is gauging the effect after it lands not during fire.
>>533623682Fucking retard, aight nigger go take your big brains to Lockheed Martin, they need geniuses like you.
>>533624127That's not the direct counter, the price of a mortar system isn't the mortars, it's the launcher, and a mortar launcher can launch as many mortars as you have from area of deployment. A drone selects one target per flight, and likely does not return for reuse. You don't understand what you're talking about, your convincing yourself that how little you understand is more coherent than it is, not convincing others that your idiot beliefs are valid.
>>533624325They don't need me they also know this is stupid... 4chan isn't where smart people come. I'm fucking dumb. Just way less dumb than you fucking retards
>>533624127>But you didn't say that becauseI respected you too much. It should have gone without saying that part of the reason a mortar round is cheaper than a suicide drone is because a drone costs at least as much as the mortar round (or similar explosive) that it is carrying before even factoring in the cost of the drone itself. Between your failure to grasp this, your unprovoked chimpout, your immediate retreat to slop summaries you clearly can't read or understand, and your flag I am left only to conclude that you are the blackest gorilla dalit ever to curse this Earth with your stench.
>>533624422Yes retard. The mortar system is expensive and needs to be within 6 km of a target while it can be attacked by drones from 50km away... You are literally backing up my point
I am going to personally guarantee there’s an Argentina war against the uk. Argentina is being fucked so hard by uk anyways, it should be easy to convince them to raid fire crotches den for treasures beyond their wildest imaginations.
>>533624436You're not, kiddo. We all know what drones do, what you don't understand is that having a fucking guy in fpv goggles for an hour at a time isn't going to cover the same bases as different systems doing different things. Mortars are close range infantry deployed artillery, drones are unmanned autonomous vehicles, it's not a question of one or the other, you're fucking dumb, self absorbed, and niggerish. Too stupid to learn, to arrogant not to believe whatever you think.
>>533624438Nigger you said fraction of the cost and were wrong. Simple as. I don't care what your dumb ass thinks. You are stupid. I'm done with you.
>>533619702Pretty cool tech honestly. It sure beats overengineering some rail system and compromise on the barrel.
>>533619702While this webm is the coolest thing I've seen in a while, this is totally retarded and useless.A mortar squad is far more agile and able than this thing.
>>533619702meat-bags are getting replaced.
>>53362455285% or more of current casualties are caused by drones. You have no idea what you are talking about. They are the number 1 weapon of choice and will destroy this dogshit mortar system before it gets within 20k of its target. Sorry old man. Your gay mortars are gay
>>533624552Fucking dumb boomer
>>533624495Explain this to me like I'm a retard: Why can't the mortar system just fire mortar rounds at the drones and shoot them out of the sky?
>>533624127Ok Mr.Big Bad Attitude leaf. I think you're hedging your bets a bit too hard on those temu-tier suicide drones, which will encounter ever more effective countermeasures against their use in the future considering they are what's causing much of the stalemate right now.Not being able to intercept a mortar round after its been fired is indeed a compelling advantage, and in this not-so-distant future when the quadcopter drones face more effective defenses this sort of vehicle will also benefit in survivability from that situation.Do you seriously believe that the unarmored suicide drones that die immediately to any mobility kill are only going to increase or maintain in their current lethality for a future war when every single military on the planet is seeking decisive countermeasures for them, right now? They're obviously potent, but hurling little bombs out of a metal tube is not going to be vulnerable to whatever is going to emerge to defeat quadcopter drones. Both don't even share quite the same tactical role to be perfectly honest.
>>533624753Kek anon... I'm dumb but even I'm not getting trolled that hard. Good try though. You might be the only fun person here.
>get stuck in the mudgg no re
>>533622319I'm not >>533621532, but thanks for responding. Good read.
>>533619702>Muzzle loading in 2026Retarded
>>533624802Explain the scenario you believe these automated mortars would be the most effective choice of weapon. I agree that the battlefield is evolving quickly... That's what makes this retarded. There is no use case where this is the best option they are simply a waste of money.
>>533624495you're so fucking stupid, you're comparing guided munition to fucking mortar
>>533624753That sounds like something that would have a terrible hit rate and you would need some kind of special airburst round to have a ghost of a chance of even damaging one.You'd be better off with a similar ground drone chassis with a punt gun-tier heavy bore automatic shotgun turret on it to be effective at all against suicide drones swarms, maybe firing flechettes.
>>533619702that’s not why and no i won’t tell you why or how to overcome the reason why vpnfag, (((you))) know the price
>>533624571Your own slop says they cost in the ball park of 1/5 to 1/10 that of the cheapest suicide drones. And that's before anyone has developed a good countermeasure for fiber optic cables, at which point the cost of effective suicide drones goes way up. And you've still never addressed what myself and now >>533624802 have brought up about how anything anyone makes to shoot down drones, which every military on Earth is working on, won't work on mortars. In 20 years we might see anti-drone flak cannon bots rolling around with their mortar bot buddies.
>>533624865it uses tracks. It's universal system called Courier and there are different variants of it being developed/used.It started as just delivery robot for troops
>>533625072Yes exactly. When both are an option you need to explain what makes mortars worth using. You currently have the world's best cheap fiber optic drones that can operate from 50km away while targets are spotted by high altitude recon drones... Ukraine doesn't have the same range on fiber optics but they have better recon drones meaning they will see this piece of shit yelling at the operators hours before it can get into position. They are fucking retarded. You are having a hard enough time not getting your rocket artillery raped and it has 10 times the effective range.
One EMP and it's fucking uselessHIVans are cheaper
>>533625239you lack even basic guy-from-the-street understanding of weapon systems
>>533625130You don't need to shoot down the fucking round retard you destroy the vehicle... Which I very clearly stated multiple times. I'm done with you as well
>>533625293Explain why I'm wrong. Maybe I misunderstood
>>533625081I've seen flamethrowers and automatic shotguns floated as anti-drone solutions, and I don't think an anti-drone mortar system is going to replace them, but it might be worth looking at as a supplement. I once had an idea for a more advanced mortar system that uses railgun-like tech with a mortar; the idea is that since you're not trying to shoot a round at dozens of kilometers per second, you might not incur rail erosion or a lot of the other problems that hyper-kinetic weapons have, and you could shoot an airburst mortar shell fast enough to have a decent chance at hitting drones. There are other types of superguns besides railguns too, so maybe they'd be worth looking at. But I dunno, maybe this is just retarded.
>>533625124>(((you))) know the priceYou want him to post timestamped man manboobs, anon? Sounds kinda ghey.>mfw I can't find my titticus exposicus pic
>>533624050The use is in situations where expendable assets and low casualties are wanted. But we're talking about mortar warfare here, which usually means both sides are engaged pretty good. So low casualties is out probably, which leaves expendable, loitering, and situations for a specialized accurate mortar. I think in high intensity warfare the opportunities for loitering increases, so these drone mortars might find use. Another thing is, these drone mortars have to move to rearm because they have a single function. But infantry that run out of mortar shells are still functional infantry.
>>533625350>you destroy the vehicleWith what? A drone? In the specific future scenario we were talking about where anti-drone measure have improved?
>>533625383Your government seems pretty confident in microwaves being the next major step in counter drone warfare. The m1e3 is supposed to get a scaled down version which was one of the reasons for the redesign as it needed more power
>>533620332Unfortunately the fact that Iran is beating the US has shown the world that Jews aren't all they used to be.It turns out they are a reflection of their goyim
>>533619702The main transportation of troops & equipment in WW2 was on horses.The most common type of infantry weapon was bolt action rifle.
>>533625445So shield them retard... As soon as counters improve so do drones. If the vehicle is spotted by a high altitude recon drone the attack drones flight path can be entirely automated. Just put it in a faraday cage. The targeting package ready exists on tomahawk cruise missiles they use onboard preprogrammed flight data to navigate with zero external input... Oh but you can't put that on a drone... You already did that's why Lucas drones cost 35grand. Fucking retards everywhere
>>533624973Not really sure other than bringing mortars to bear in a situation where a mortar team would be too vulnerable to incidental enemy fragmentation or other area denial anti-infantry weapons. This thing will, at best, have protection around that of a soft skinned vehicle, but that's still more durable than a man, though most of its "protection" will be simply due to it being an indirect fire weapon.I still think its main design rationale is it potentially being able to shoot and scoot a mortar much more quickly with improved initial hit rate than a team of men and being ever so slightly more resistant to small arms fire and shell splinters/fragmentation than infantry. This thing could have several units of these drones follow an infantry assault to provide indirect fire support from behind whilst not presenting nearly as large of a target as a BMP or BTR and not as vulnerable to lighter weapons as a team of mortarmen.
>>533620113a robotic arm is significantly more complex than a steel box with a spring on one end
>>533625485Imagine shooting that goybeam to a human being
>>533625596Right you didn't say why it's the best option you said where you could use it if you had to. Don't. Use drones, rocket artillery, and missiles. Mortars are a thing of the past. That's why they tape them to drones.
>>533619838https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrZYl9_DdiQ&pp=ygULYW1vcyBtb3J0YXI%3D
>>533625637Oh I'm sure there are all kinds of horrors beyond human comprehension coming to warfare in the near future. Now that we moved past needing human decision making in the kill chain it's fucking over. People will be hunted by terminator dog gun bots
>>533625594>So shield themFrom automated, computer targeted AA guns?
>>533625804The US and chinese will reveal their hidden secret weapons in Taiwan war. The russo Ukrainian war is just a bunch of two retards fighting with cold war era weapons with a touch of modern drone warfare, not more not less.
>>533619702>all armies in the world are outdatedyeah that's exactly why it WILL happenthey can dispose of the old tech on the battlefield and atleast get something out of itrather than just letting it rust/disposing of it (your idea).
>>533625847Your multimillion dollar gun on a multimillion dollar platform can't aim in 3 directions at once. My 30 thousand dollar drone swarm has 30 drones approaching from all directions simultaneously. Sorry zogbot you dead.
>>533625683Honestly I think their ubiquitous use of mortar rounds on drones is mostly because they're cheap and already exist stockpiled in the millions. Why use something else if there's already millions of mortar bombs that have been in storage for years?Mortars aren't going anywhere I think since they can have a significantly larger explosive charge compared to an artillery shell or rocket of the same bore, are incredibly cheap to manufacture compared to artillery shells or rockets, and provide accurate enough indirect fire at short ranges from relatively safer firing vectors since you can fire them at a very high angle from a protected position, like deep in a trench or even from inside a building with a hole in the roof.
>>533625936Which will be insane because it will be the fucking protoss trying to defend against a cheap chink drone zerg rush. I just don't think any high tech weapon beats economies of scale
>>533626004Drones accounted for 96% of the 35000 or so casualties this month in Ukraine. Most of the rest was rocket artillery. If mortars were effective at killing being fired on their own they'd be using them. They aren't. Literally that simple.
>>533626085The US will eventually use nukes if they lose any carriers. It's gonna be a bloodbath.
>>533619702Outdated militaries makes nuclear war more likely. A nation with nukes losing an existential war is extremely likely to use them.
>>533625369>why use pistols when rifle exists>explain me where I'm wrong
>>533619702Why don't they just develop a hopper-fed mortar or something? Seems like it would be more reliable than a robot arm.
>>533625955>strapping some machine guns together and loading them with airburst rounds costs millions of dollarsAnd the software development is the expensive part of an automated targeting computer, not the hardware.And a drone swarm is the single worst idea against something like that. You'd be throwing a flock of ducks at a punt gun. It would completely eliminate the entire cost advantage of drones when dozens of them are getting shot down for a few dollars a piece.You know what would actually work? A mortar lol.
>>533624736Drones have really changed the metagame of war. In 2022 when Russia invaded they were non existent. Most of fighting was done with tanks, anti tank weapons, artillery. Russia was making headway using old soviet stockpiles. The west sent in new modern counters. Then FPV drones arrived decimating Russian forces when they were barely taking towns beforehand. Now the war is at a stalemate with both sides using massive amounts of drones and mines. Russia doesn't even lob ICBMs at Kiev much anymore.
>>533626177That's probably why they're building this thing since infantry humping a mortar are too vulnerable. Drones deployed from far away can't deliver reactive suppressing fire to moment-to-moment battlefield conditions, but a mortar can. A single mortar also has a significantly higher rate of fire compared to other kinds of explosive ordnance.I'll go up to bat for mortars too since they're based chad weapons with their grug simplicity whilst drones are gay bugmen weapons for faggots.I also estimate suicide drone effectiveness will plummet the moment point-defense laser weapons enter the fore in a practical manner, which have been in development for some time now by several militaries. They are all but completely unarmored, extremely vulnerable to mobility kills, and have a rather hard limit on the weight they can carry by their very nature as a cheap quadcopter.
>>533626223Hey I'm up for 4k nuke footage. The old shit is crazy and it's like 7 pixels. Beirut is still the craziest thing I've ever seen
>>533626291And what tech will they use to deliver the payload? I mean the only thing most countries can do is blow themselves up at this point.
>more russnigger glowie cope thread
>>533626460Yeah but a small nuke is ×5 of that and it has a initial flash. It's gonna be hilarious anyway.
>>533626381It's honestly insane how quickly the meta has been changing and even that's nothing because it's a gay little regional conflict. The us is still pissing away billions on attempting to get the 40million a pop dark eagle hypersonics into service... Imagine if they invested that money into shit like fpvs. When the next real war kicks off and there are actual lives on the line the development is going to be fucking crazy. These lil niggas just running around China kicking people through walls
>>533626503Russians are so butthurt about FPV drones you have no idea. It stalled their invasion and piece by piece tactic right in its tracks. They thought they would roll over Ukraine in tanks like they did to Germany in WW2. It doesn't work that way in modern warfare. Remember Russia had the most tanks in the world and they are useless against drones...
>>533620408it is so over for russia holy shit
>>533626580Oh I know... And it's full light spectrum X-ray and all. The men in the trenches at the test talk about putting their hands over there closed eyes and seeing the silhouette of their bones through their flesh.
>>533626424suicide drone effectivness is already pretty low, they're hell for infantry.Kalashnikov developed some anti-drone rounds recently, maybe it will help.
>>533619702WW3 won’t happen because 98% of people are sick of wars.
>>533626586Ukraine stopped Russia by using HIMARS to strategically blow up their fuel depots so Russian tanks had no fuel. And then when Russia adopted small mechanized forces they had drones and just obliterated them. America has advanced robotics it has been developing for decades. Russians are angry about this too because America is already ahead in the future theater of war that uses robotic forces. America is not only ahead in robotics but AI too. USA just hasn't unleashed this technology on the world yet. Like America could send in robotic armies to completely destroy Iran if it wanted to.
>>533626424The new dji flycart 200 can carry 200kg. Optical lasers are meme weapons that don't work in inclement weather. Drone tech will keep up with or outpace most counters. They use shitty fpvs because that's what the market had. That is changing quickly
>>533626870they're trying to force it.The goal is to make the life so unbearable for ordinary people so the only option they have is war.
>>533626894No the main hurdle is still energy density and communication. There is no way to continually coordinate and refuel large swarms of autonomous robots/vehicles. That's why all the larger Chinese ones are gas powered and even worse you guys are fucked on batteries because China controls the rare earth elements you need. Honestly manufacturing and trade relations are your militaries current biggest weaknesses. I don't doubt the ability is there but you would have a fucking hell of a time sustainably fielding it in any large scale conflict
>>533627078This is why the decision was made to attack Russia and Iran not China. This is why China and America have talks and don't shoot at each other.
>>533621562>Russia is the Africa of EuropeAs in most Indo-Europeans coming from what is now Russia/Ukraine?
>>533626911Still unconvincing. They are always going to be slow and retain the exact same vulnerabilities as other classes of suicide drones whilst presenting an even larger target. Not to mention they are still not in the same tactical role as mortar. One might as well remove every machine gun from the battlefield by this sort of flawed rationale, neglecting to remember that suppressing fire and beaten zones are still all too relevant to warfare and tactics.
>>533627174Lol ya. Especially since Iran is a fucking disaster. I think realizing isreal could piss through 50% of your stockpiles in a month caught everyone off guard. If anything it probably taught you guys if shit ever goes down you need to come out fucking swinging. No let's see what happens. Kill everyone before you can't
>>533627174>to attack RussiaHello traveller from far-away pidorverse. How do you like our plane of existence?
>>533627340No. Those drones are big and slow because that's what they are designed for. That's why the ukrainian interceptors go over 300km/hr. The tech develops as is necessary
>>533627432America blew up nordstream remember? America regime changed Ukraine and armed them for nearly a decade before Russia invaded outright when they thought the US was weak and distracted by the pandemic.
>>533627174A tremendous aspect of the current war in Ukraine is simply to kill as many White people as possible, whilst creating chaos in Europe so that land can be sold to Blackrock in order to fill it with niggers because jews are still salty they suffered consequences at the hands of Ukrainian peasants 200 years ago for Tsarist-era famines in The Pale deliberately caused by jewish kahal mafias.Never forget the primary strategic objective of the current era of geopolitics, which is White genocide. A tremendous bulk of seeming-presented geopolitical maneuvering is simply window dressing and political theatre in order to conceal the prime objective of a globally engineered ethnic extermination under several layers of bullshit.
>>533619702Cool
>>533627501Aye, and so do countermeasures. Why even bring up that delivery drone if they're simply not in the same class as what you're referring to?All the drawbacks and vulnerabilities remain in the scenario under discussion. Drones, while potent now will not enjoy that level of effectiveness forever considering those factors. To base your argument on such a brazen assumption seems foolhardy.
>>533627746Your entire argument is assumption retard. Your complaining about the examples of things I give while all you have said is (((but maybe not))) fuck off you actually retarded nigger it doesn't matter what else you say I'm not responding to you faggot disingenuous ass again
>>533621298This is literally just a bog standard 120mm mortar badly copied from the US and bolted to a vehicle that requires two crew to pop out of the top and muzzle load it. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>533627838Thanks, you too.Maybe they'll invent a drone that will deport all the curry niggers sent solely to undermine your nation and to ensure at least one strain of hepatitis lurks in the food at every Tim Horton's location.
>>533627919This thread is mostly trolls acting like faggots. It's probably better just to go to bed.
>>533619702Imagine spending your short time on Earth developing something like this. I don't think I've ever seen anything more inhumane.
>>533619838This is faster. I can load 8 120mm rounds in one minute. Our mortar was a fancy one, made in Sweden in 1944 and it had a trigger mechanism instead of a fixed pin.
>>533619702WW3 won't happen because everyone is in debt, the system is so corrupt that it is literally impossible to make it function long enough for a full scale war.Ukraine isn't a full scale war even.
>>533619838what others are missing is they want it still operational as a mortar that is fired by humansdisable the robot hand, and ivan and petyr can still fire the mortar the old fashioned way
>>533621127because germans are big pussies and we won WW1 anyway with blue uniforms kekif there is a ww3 i hope we have the mission rape germany and nuke them to oblivion after raping their women
>>533626468There are drones that can deliver a 200kg loadYou can put a nuke on a drone
>>533619927>Ww3 is a culling warAlways have been. The strong and brave goto war to die. The cowardly and brown stay behind to fuck White women.
>>533628605the dumb goyim go to war the smart goyim do not go to warwhy would i die for? for macron's gay orgies?for my ethnical replacement?for my sub 3K per month salary?for the covid lockdowns?to make boomers even richer?the draft officers will be wiped out during the first 2 months
A modern USA - Mexico war would be funny to see considering most of our army is still stuck in WW2, we literally only have like 3 functioning 40 year old F-5s and 0 tanks
>>533626894Why are mutts so delusional?
>>533619702> The tanks are still driving, but those who sit in theses tanks become quite black.
>>533626858> suicide drone effectivness is already pretty lowYet they kill majority of Russians and their equipment, curious
>>533619702Rusniggerians finally discovered autoloaders? Wait until you find out that swedes had Archers for decades.
>>533619702Let them fight with their old toys
>>533628904Your whole defense strategy is literally begging US for help if someone invades you.If US invades you then it's not a war.
>>533619702this is the dumberst thing i've ever seen. only a retarded russian could make something so stupid
>>533625525https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MBhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrierhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Schwimmwagenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-67
>>533619702I'm pretty sure there is a better way to do it.Before every war every army tell themself they are the more modern and civilized one and it's going to be an easy win and then realize one week later that they where wrong and start dinging trenches.
>>533629223>Your whole defense strategy is literally begging USThe funniest part about this is that most of our retarded population is 100% sure that both China and Russia will come to our aid if we are invaded by the US, even after what happened to maduro
>>533624050Mortars could deploy antenna shells to detect incoming drones and maybe even crack their RC frequencies.Other jamming shells could have use if aimed near enemy drone operator signal emmiters.
>>53362916825IQ memeflag poster says nothing intelligent as usual?wow big shock
>>533629402>russian faggot so butthurt he breaks meme flag cover and stops shilling just to get mad at this postrussians really are niggers
>>533621240This. Plus: the enemy's weakness makes one more confident than the own strength
>>533626870>>533626981females vote
>>533619702human mortar crew can fire off way more rounds than that robit
>>533628954You're living in the past germ.
>>533629858training a soldier costs much more time and money compared to using the robot.The risk right now for a mortar crew is very high.
>>533626894>we could win if we wanted to>but we'd rather lose, get killed and have Trump meltdown on Truth Social
>>533629484whiter than you, mutt
>>533619702>what are automatic mortarsthat shit in your webm is some bullshit crap putted toghether by your mentally challanged army just to film a propaganda movie targeting retards like you
>>533630829I mean in an actual war of America vs Iran. What's going on with Trump is he's using patriot act powers to assault them. This isn't a total war at all.
