What happened to freedom
>>533636228>britain just created a black market for cigs >people will unironically go to jail over cigarettes in Britain Cant even stop millions of dudes named Abdul "Takbir" Jagar from entering the country illegally and raping them but im expected to believe UK cops will be able to police teenagers smoking cigs?L M A O MAO
>>533636228man you can't watch porn, engage in fetishistic sex, smoke a cig, voice your opinion online or irl. the UK is seriously becoming a totalitarian state, no idea why anyone would stay if they have the option to gtfo.
>>533636228The UK is a monarchy. Freedom is an American thing.
>>533636228you haven't got a loicense for a fag mate
>>533636230the only place I would ever consider leaving the UK for would be Australia which is too far away to visit my family or somewhere in the last remaining white parts of the US like Maine or North Idaho but you only accept mexican fruitpickers, indian visa slaves and billionaires nowadays
>>533636230>no idea why anyone would stay if they have the option to gtfo.A non-insignificant portion of them are leaving for Australia, and to a lesser extent Canada & NZ. Anglosphere seems to be collapsing at a shockingly fast pace tbqh
>>533636230The last 10 years have been a real stress test for how much the average British man can endure constant state enforced cuckoldry before he snaps
>>533636233you really don't have a very good grasp on the cultural climate of the US
kill the boer
>>533636228This is probably the best news to come out of the yookay as of late, free country innit
The government pays for healthcare therefore they should ban things that will cause health problems.
>>533636234really? do you know the exact number, that sounds interesting
>>533636239Cant wait for them to ban alcohol in about 10 years once the muslims truly take over
>>533636237The farmer?!
>>533636236almost certainly know more about your own country than you mate
>>533636241very few people drink enough to the point where it causes problems. Almost all smokers will develop problems later in life.
>>533636244>very few people drink enough to the point where it causes problemsIts a tier 1 carcinogen and there is no "safe" amount of alcohol to consume. If you drink more than 2 beers a day at 5% abv it causes serious damage to your liver. There is no logical reason to ban smokes for health concerns but not alcohol of the point of the ban is to force people to stop consuming poisons that make you feel good.
>>533636243Oh yeah? Name all 50 states by memory. I'll wait.
>subhuman sudaca crying about us againchange the channel, we've seen this boring episode before
>>533636228>>533636230Is this what happens when you dont have a constitution to outline your basic rights and liberties as a citizen? So it allows them to make whatever the fuck up they feel like at the time?
>>533636248>change the channelCant. He doesn't have the propa loicense
>>533636243no you don't, cunt. nor do you have any concept of recent events apparently. you know that ice has been working overtime and we've had a rise in self deportation? that aside I suggest you get your information from something other than mongolian basket weaving forms.
>>533636228Unitedstatesians seem really upset our kids won’t die from lung cancer at 40, thanks for looking out for us lads.
>>533636228Are they retarded? People are just gonna sell tobacco illegally and lace it with a bunch of other shit to increase the volume of it
>>533636252Anon, we tried to do something similar to what you're doing right now with alcohol back in the 20's. Didn't go well
>>533636252oi gov'na me love me nanny state me do, bloody'el me love me state issued chastity cage and muzzle!
>>533636228Is there any country that has successfully done this? I know New Zealand tried but ending up repealing it.
>>533636240>In the year ending June 2025, a significant "brain drain" saw approximately 174,000 young people aged 16–34 emigrate from the UK, comprising roughly 87,000 in the 16–24 range and 87,000 aged 25–34. Three-quarters of British nationals leaving were under 35, driven by high living costs, housing unaffordability, and better career opportunities abroad. Something similar is happening here too, it's all young people emigrating while the most garbage tier immigrants are coming in to replace them.
>>533636253Theyre unironically gonna make smoking cigarettes cool again
>>533636233You could just come to wales, we’ll bully you but there’s literally no english speaking country that will be white in 20 years other than us
>>533636254Don’t care, we’re not you and you’re not us, your input on the matter isn’t wanted.
>>533636260You are literally my dad
>>533636247hawaii, alaska, california, oregon, nevada, utah, texas, idaho, wyoming, montana, north dakota, south dakota, wisconsin, minnesota, michigan, kansas, louisiana, alabama, florida, georgia, tennese, north carolina, south carolina, virginia, south virginia, illinois, kentucky, missisipi, arkansas, pennsylvania , rhode island, delaware, maine, new hampshire, vermont, conneticut, indiana, new york, massachusets, new mexico, arizona, okolohma, maryland, colorado, thats all i can remember
>>533636228unironically based. smokers are fucking niggers who are inconsiderate faggots who spark up in front of you without asking whether i want to smell or tsste your faggot secons hand smokeniggers
>>533636257that's pretty crazy, I wonder how badly this will end
>>533636246Actually, there is. People are bored and variously miserable, so they are going to pick one poison or another, regardless whether they are legal or not. So, from the government's point of view for policy and keeping around somewhat healthy useless eaters to keep making Line Go Up, it is arguable, in principle, that one or the other of the two must be tolerated so that the plebs have at least one out, one release, from their shitty lives. Obviously, the American approach has been to tolerate alcohol, and steadily tighten the vise on tobacco until tobacco is gone altogether. It's been going according to plan for decades, a gradual cultural change. Prohibition (of alcohol) was a failed experiment, the historical failure itself being formally enshrined in the constitution. Worker plebs need at least one release of some kind.
>>533636229Holy coofer malding kek
>>533636266See>>533636245
>>533636263is that an australian thing? here; or at least in my state, we go off to the side in public or the smoking patio, if at bar.
>>533636259was literally reading about a rape gang in rhyl not 45 minutes ago
>>533636228This is literally 1984
God bless the Queen
>>533636262Fuck. Alright youre in
>>533636228I hate smoking scum, current smokers should be executed via one thousand cigarette burns
>>533636267>b-but what about coof-cope!?!?Coof-cope. Just because you're killing yourself and stinking the air doesn't make anyone mature or adult.
Why are europeans so mad at smoking?
>>533636274>doesn't make anyone mature or adult.Topkek when did I say smoking cigs makes you an adult? I was saying its going to create a black market for cigs in a state that can't police itself at all already. We tried doing this with alcohol back in the 20's and it just made it worse
Smoking is illegal to begin with. The Quran speaks on this many times. The law is simply being restored to Britain.
Isn't this basically a gift for street gangs? This is just gonna create a shit ton of job opportunities for them
>>533636228why would they not just ban tobacco outright? this means the tobacco industry can continue hanging on by a thread, where they will inevitably invest their profits into reversing the legislation, just like they did in New Zealand
>>533636243>let me tell you about your country
Why are they banning distractions? Now people will just direct their attention at the government.
>>533636228>>533636230i find it ironic how this makes china seems less totalitarian state than uk at this point.
>>533636273>>533636228Same I hate smokers this is based
>>533636249We have a constitution and the fedniggers have been trampling on it from day 1. The only reason we aren't completely fucked is the 2nd amendment, but the average amerifat treats guns like a funko pop collection and is way too afraid and obese to entertain the idea of defying authority.
>>533636228Based fuck smoking subhumans
>>533636228Gay sex, trans kids, experimental gene therapy, fluoride, infinite migration? JOLLY GOOD THING LADS.Cigarettes, edgy memes, vapes? OI M8 WHERE'S YER FOKIN LOICENCE YE CHEEKY BASTERD? GOT NONE? TAZER TAZER TAZER!!!
>no more dying of lung cancer is>le bad
>>533636257>it's all young people emigrating while the most garbage tier immigrants are coming in to replace them.same here, the best young people are all moving to australia while we import the most dysfunctional of the third world.
>>533636228BasedNow ban alcohol too, or at least overdrunkenessI hate the government as much as the next guy but protecting children is the one thing it needs to be able to do
Smokers BTFOI hope my country do the same thing
>>533636228this is horrible and inhuman
>>533636287my body my choice
>>533636287>implying lung cancer will magically vanish if everyone stops smoking
>>533636233Australia is even more authoritarian than your country
Good, fuck British people they are douchebags they deserve to have zero rights
>>533636228Smokers just use fags as a coping mechanism to deal with the fact they really want to suck on a phallus. Fuck them.
>>533636230>upskilling myself to a career i can use anywhere (truck driving)>going to use the time in the cab to learn a language via audiobooks and lessons, with help from other tools>have an irish parent which i can use to apply for an EU passportthe only real choice is, which country? my two main thoughts are italy or germany. italy is a nicer place overall, but i feel germany would allow me to earn a lot morethis yank is right btw, escape this sinking 1984 ship at all costs if you can. the high court just upheld the metropolitan police's use of facial recognition cameras
should ban alcohol first than tobacco
>>533636233Why would they accept betas that can't even defend their own country lol
>>533636228They are insane! 1984 style! They can't force health on to you! What's next, banning incest?!
>>533636297>the high court just upheld the metropolitan police's use of facial recognition camerasReally? Is that chinese mega embassy still being built too?Makes you think
>>533636301https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq59x4vv954oit's a very grim outlook
>>533636300Freedom is precisely not being forced to do this or that.
>>533636228>underfunds police>creates huge market for illicit trade>promotes Dua Lipa's sexo fat arse 24/7 on the tvBritteeth people LOVE Albanians
>>533636228>too young to smoke everReally seems like the most unfair solution
>>533636228Cancerfags blown the FUCK out!!!
>>533636302Fucking hell
>>533636233Ayktually the only legal immigrants accepted in the Trump admin have been white south africans. Just make a case you are being genocided in england and you can come maybe.
>>533636303Freedom wouldn't let you browse 4chan
>>533636309What?
>>533636310
>>533636311LOL
>The 21st century Prohibition >But instead of Al Capone it is Muhammed Jeetshit>Instead of bootlegger hotrods it is chink e-scooters>Instrad of moonshiners out in the sticks it is vapejuice mixers in a shed
>>533636230>why anyone would stay if they have the option to gtfoLaziness and no money. I would love to live in some suburban town in Colorado or somewhere surrounded by nature.
>>533636239They should ban fat people. They're such an eyesore.
Smoking a fag right now in memory of the lads from across the channel
Not defending smoking in any way, but won't this just create an enormous black market
>>533636317No it won't
>>533636303Go into the town square, do a roman salute and shout heil hitler
>>533636317Wouldn't surprise me if they banned them as well, but I expect there will be some nicotine products around like ZYN to take the edge of.I mean you would have to be pretty set in your ways to buy overpriced smuggled cigarette in Jamal's run down apartment over some nicotine pouches from your local Paki shop.
>>533636320>Wouldn't surprise meActually, it would. It would surprise you.
>>533636230>the UK is seriously becoming a totalitarian stateIt is one, I think it's the second most surveryed state after ChinaThey keep trying to enforce Digital ID too. Blairism is a cancer
>>533636320You do realise that the ban is for people born after 2009 right? If there are 17 year olds who need to take the edge off nicotine you have bigger problems
>>533636323>ou have bigger problemsI don't think you have bigger problems. You have smaller non-problems instead.
>>533636228>>533636239>>533636241meat is gonna be banned eventually and all the retards will say it's a good thing because:>meat is bad for our health, just like cigarettes
>>533636228This is uniroically based.
>>533636317>Just ban the black market!
>>533636230>>533636228Do brits ever protest? How come there have been no massive outrages over these increasingly draconian laws?
>>533636308I can't believe you actually consider it true
>>533636328>protesting sensible legislation
50K homicides a year don't seem so bad now.
>>533636317Yes, and the police are comically underfunded in the UK. Dua Lipa's cousins will get richer because of this
>>533636246>there is no "safe" amount of alcohol to consume.Provided you don't drink too much to overload your liver, there absolutely is.
>>533636228Even in 1984 you could still buy Victory cigarettes to dull the pain of living in Airstrip One lmao
>>533636228The anti-tobacco hysteria is so fucking retarded, nicotine is an alkaloid not that different from caffeine and by itself is not a carcinogen, it's the smoke and byproducts and additives what fucks peoples lungs and act as mutagens. Nicotine by itself is a nootropic that helps people focus and relax and has infinite better qualities than motherfucking cannabis or alcohol. All this anti-tobacco hysteria came from pot-smoking left-wing faggots in universities who saw tobacco smoking as class coded from yuppies and the more right-wing blue-collar working class.
>>533636228Based
>foreigners make threads about us in the early hours of the morning when we're all asleepObsessed
>>533636337where's your license for staying up past your bedtime. i'm calling starmer on you
>>533636338Starmer is too busy dealing with the ramifications of making a nonce the US ambassador at the moment so I can stay up a bit later.
>>533636335That's nice and all but can you and your weed smoking friend go to another room, you both smell like shit
>>533636339pretty noncephobic of him tbqhwy
>>533636265>Prohibition was a failed experiment shit alcohol and tobacco companies want you to believe
>>533636299>betas that can't even defend their own country so basically 99% of people that immigrated to the US in the past 200 years?
>>533636229harry would absolutely say that
>>533636229hairy would absolutely shave that
I mean the uk is the only anti smoking country in Europe>plain packaging >20 quid a pack>no adsI remember constant anti smoking campaigns in primary and my german nan quit. In high school there were only like 5 folk who smoked at the back of the school and all the teachers had to go off the grounds to smoke
>>533636342prohibition still exists on some dry counties and indian reservations where they deny you alcohol selling permits
>>533636249>Nooo not my heckin incest porn!!
>>533636228We should enclosure Europe with 50m walls before it spreads
>>533636345he does
>>533636314Every place has its downsides. Pick your own poison type thing. Here in Spain, the housing and job market is terrible. In the US, I've seen several young people complaining about barely being able to make ends meet, to the point of tears.
>>533636228EVER
>>533636230>UK is seriously becoming a totalitarian stateI went to London in 2011 and it was already obvious where they were going.Orwell wrote 1984 because he knew where everything was moving towards.
>>533636378Correct. The grass is brown everywhere.
>>533636228>Be Derka Derka Mohummad Jihad, 40 year old (pretending to be 18 lmao)>Rape a woman to death>Get away with it because you are literally too stupid to be imprisoned(???)>Be Bob Smith, born after 2009>OI! YOU GOT A LOICENSE FOR DAT FAG YOU GIT!? GONNA LOCK YOU AWAY FOR GOOD!
>>533636228Europe never had freedom, that's the entire point of America. You are the offspring of cowards who were too afraid to migrate to the states.
>>533636262>south virginia
ITT halfwits pretending banning smoking is a bad thing. I wish they'd done it years ago, and only childless foreveralones will disagree. My children will grow up in a world where paki shopkeepers will be jailed for selling them tobacco, where their peer group will have severely restricted access to tobacco, and wherethe tobacco jew will have to look elsewhere for children to kill, for profit. I sincerely hope they double down on the US market, there's plenty of pointless lives there that wouldn't be missed if they die out.
>>533636228I couldn't give the slightest shit about this and I used to get through 10 a day. Its such a trash habit, the upsides are pretty shit while the downsides will literally ruin your life. Get addicted to a better vice, seriously.
>>533636287>Look here sonny, back in my day we did the craziest shit! Had such a fun time! Smoked heaps of cigarettes, drank myself into a coma a few times, but the real fun was all the cocaine, crazy other drugs and LSD we did!>Boy it was a fun time...Had so much fun, made so many friends, hell tripping out on LSD is how I got to my current position of CEO of a mid-sized business, sold drugs to the ex-CEO!>But now that you are a grown man, I am envious of your youth so I am going to ban all these things before you have a chance to experience any of it, it's for your own good! I promise it's not out of malice at all!
>>533636254The elites dont want you to know this, but tobacco is free. You can grow it. I have 428 tobaccos.
>>533636228>we care about yor 'ealf an the enn ayy chess that's why we're banning fags [cigarettes] and importing the entire third worldWho would fall for this? Sadly there will be posters in this thread dumb enough to believe it.>>533636229Stopping white teenagers from smoking is the only thing pigs will strictly enforce, not Abdul turning white girls into kebab meat
>>533636228"Muh freedumb" is for faggots.What happened to duty? Virtues? Vision? Free to do what? Getting fucked in the ass by another man? Doing drugs? Dressing in womens' clothes? Fucking kids? Where do we draw the line? What is our moral compass? What society are we building? We are building our society for our CHILDREN. Not for adults who never grew. Our freedom goes to our children. They have an absolute right to grow up in a safe society without whore mothers and dead beat dads who are only interested in self-pleasure. Becoming a MAN means sacrificing personal comforts. You go to war to protect your family. You take on responsibility. You become a FATHER and stop being a childish, hedonistic slug. You're not free to be a society destroying faggot that makes our children less safe and happy. Sorry.
>>533636317Yup. That's what happened here and cigs have never been cheaper! Yeah, you get the gang related violence, shootings & firebombings, but it's mostly internal so your average punter shrugs a big shrug of meh pas mon probleme.
>>533636228It is all the european politicians.They are all like this.We are fucked.I think it is collectivism combined with tyranny, that is driving this. The (((experts))) just optimise what is best for the system at collective scale. Politicians kind of do what they want (this happens in america as well).
>>533636233Fuck off Mehmet, we are full.
>>533636560Nah, that's just your gay head canon.Plenty of European nations deported their undesirables to the New World and other colonies.We had that one time when the government rounded up every gypsy they could find in Madrid and sent them all to the Americas.Lots of brave and adventurous people, but it also was our dumping ground for all our trash.
>>533636228Just how did out 18th amendment pan out Brits? Just how can your government be so bumb
>>533636229>people will unironically go to jail over cigarettes in BritainThey go to jail for Tweets.
>>533636228Boomer pulling ladder behind them
>>533636713Yeah literally spiteful old people banning fun (they themselves had) for their young children
>>533636239The government shouldn't pay for healthcare.
>>533636228Those retards have just ruined their own tobacco industry.It's not their own idea thought. They implement the UN / WHO "recommendation" from 2022. Might be a test before all the EU are told to do the same.
they did this so British people wouldn't be able to say fag anymore
>>533636228meanwhile, the elite snort coke on the regular.
>>533636228so for underaged?good?
>>533636246ripe fruit contains low doses of alcoholif there is no safe level of alcohol, you cant eat fruit
Funny all the Americans gobbing off not realising their minimum drinking age of 21 is the most retarded restriction next to muslim countries which outright ban it.
>>533636287People will still die from lung cancer you dolt. Probably in even higher rates as they simply buy counterfeit smokes from jammal. Non smokers who hate on smokers are pathetic bootlickers.> "You can't smoke hete wash I call the bobby!"Watch me retard, outdoors I will smoke where ever I want.> It's smells ablublublu!Like you unwashed nerds don't stink up the entire room with your body odor.You are all a bunch of sensitive little fascists.
>>533636239Even if they "pay" for healthcare it is just for their self best interest to have goy slaves alive so they can work until 90. Can't work if ya dead. Also it is better that tax goes to that rather than 20 billion jeets and goatfuckers. But it's okey blame the coofers
>>533636228Why not anyone after the 31th of December 2008? Why include people born on the first of January?
>>533636922Your moral compass is apparently to be a good little peon, pay your taxes so Muhammad can rape your girls and get accomodations while doing it and die for Israel.
>>533636228turns out there are british cigarettes that have no tobacco or nicotinethese might get more popular
>>533636230Just like the US but with Jews and Jeets building their statues on white lands.
>>533636343Yea 99% cowards. Only the 1% have real euro blood.
>>533636229OI WHERE'S YOUR FAG LOICENSE
>>533636230>becomingIt is, but no-one gives a shit, otherwise we would organise and do kill elites and torch migrant HMO's. I have no sympathy for the people that came before me because they 100% deserve it, they deserve to be fucking debt slaves and have their children raped and brainwashed. The country should not have gotten this bad.
>>533636228Good. Fuck the nicotine Jew.
>>533636328>Do brits ever protest?protest against something you voted for? Are you a fascist?!
Yet they will make it a legal requirement that they all smoke weed.Mark my fucking words.
>>533636328Yes, but that's the problem, it's all we do. It's proven protests don't work, and our protests are pathetic. I've seen school trips that got wilder than the unite the kindgom rally's. The elites know they can sit on their hands and wait for people to go home because they know they won't do anything. Pipe bombs and vigilante violence are needed.
>>533636242The white man.
>>533636229>UK cops will be able to police teenagers smoking cigs?UK cops have lots of manpower for white people.
>>533636230...almost like a caliphate innit
>>533636228Tobacco smugglers are rejoicijg in the middle of the streets, congrats idiots.Friendly reminder most countries also gain a % over tobacco, which means this is also MORE TAXES TO FILL THE HOLES!
>>533636294This. Plus we're full, so fuck off.
>>533636229Look at it another way.>"Oi m8 where'v you been it's been months">Got done in for trading fags m8
>>533638403Protests don’t work because you are faggots who don’t actually do the next thing. Thailand burned the parlament, what did you do?
Get an older mate to buy your fags, not like it's a straw purchase for an underaged lad.
>>533638673That's not a protest, that's a riot, of which I still think is too tame. We need football fields of everyone who's fucked with white and let them get their hands and feet cut off one by one.
>>533637008>European>BritainThe labo slaves have arrived I see.
>>533636228at the most basic level, in the UK you don't have the right to buy or sell imported items unconditionally. given no one is growing tobacco in the uk and making their own cigs, they are a regulated product and suffer the regulations. liberty is not a british thing and rarely does this impact on ones life. you can argue that since people under that cutoff have never been allowed to buy fags, they are not losing a "freedom", only being denied a future, unpromised, freedom.
>>533636300>What's next, banning incest?!That would be Islamophobic so no.>>533636327What in the world is Meloni doing in that video? Is she high or trying to avoid shitting her pants after enjoying some very sketchy food?
>>533638835It's sneaky, because if they banned cigarettes for everyone now...ok still nothing would happen, but their would be more of a kick up about it. Also, kids don't use cigs, they're on pickled onion snus now.
>>533638918>That would be Islamophobic so no.It's illegal for whites but fine for BAMES. Everyone thinks this facial recognition shit will be over in a week because of burqas but that's just not true. They don't police browns, they specifically discriminate against whites. Everytime their is a crime with a BAME, they can never confirm their info, but with white crimes, they release it while the body is still warm.
>>533636228Can you imagine a country where the government bans the production of alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, sweets, porn and other objectively harmful things in society that only serve to pacify the population and make a select few richer at the expense of everyone, imagine if they pushed this through education and social reforms their emphasis on how bad these things are for society and for the human soul. Would people and industries spend their time and effort creating positive things and be more aligned toward the flourishing of human beings instead of producing things en masse that are objectively bad? /pol/ isn't ready to envision such a society because the modern right wing movement is nothing more than a capitalist / elitist cult
>>533638918Too much coke right before the interview kek
>>533637087i now understand why we revolted against themffs nazis would be better for them at this point, the FUCK did people get shot down on the beaches of normandy for
>>533639133Prohibition happened.It was not good.You are a retard.
>>533636477it is so fucking funny watching the world crumble and realizing that 1984 was probably not about the nazis
>>533639133How about banning all things you enjoy instead. Let's do that first. In fact, let's ban only you from partaking in things you happen to enjoy while everyone else is allowed them. If you violate the ban, you will be tortured to death slowly. Heinz isn't ready to envision such a society because the modern Heinz is nothing more than a control freak pencil neck with yellow fever.
cuck nation making the way for Sharia law.
>>533636229>just created a black market for cigsit has always existed. it increased when they started charging ridiculous prices, now it will be widespread.
>>533639372>>533639575both of you are worthless alcoholics and would be chemically castrated in any meaningful society which didn't operate on the idea that money is God
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>>533636228>freedomWe never had it and we never will.
>>533636252it's not just about the tobacco, it's about just about every authoritarian government overreach originating in the UK(and it's bastard child Australia) and spreading to the rest of the world like a disease.
>>533639673I missed New Hampshire and put Connecticut twice.
Smoking is degenerate and dysgenic. It has no place in a National Socialist State. Jews own most big tobacco concerns and use it to cripple the health of the Volk.
>>533636290Hell no nigga
>>533636228Thats giga based, tabaco Is literal cancer
>>533639747I think some of your states had porn bans/age verification before even we did. We hardly invented it, loads of countries are doing it at almost the same time. Very organic.
>>533636228So bonglandia is the most dystopian country in the world? Any challengers?
>>533639869No it's not. If they were giga based they would just ban it for everyone by tomorrow, jail black market suppliers and ban vapes, nictotine pouches ect, but they wont. The nanny state chugs along.
>>533636228The banned knives too.Lets see how this works out.Of if Britain will even still be a country in 5 years.
>>533639657No, you're just completely nuts and incompatible with any meaningful society.
>>533636252It's about personal freedom, you sniveling bootlicker. I don't need the government telling me what do about anything. I bet you got the vax because the government told you to, you fucking weak faggot.
>>533639929Rather that than die to a drone while my woman fuck chads.
>>533636229uk pigs will stop at nothing to enforce laws that immiserate the native Whites, while spewing endless excuses why they don't enforce laws on invaders
>>533639789no you don't understand, Judah Sheckelberg wants to make a restauraunt selling tasty rat poison and his cousin Shlomo Finkelgoldberg will promote the benefits of consuming rat poison to the elderly as well as campaign in schools with a nice cartoon rat mascot as well as making it viral on social media through psychological and manipulaion techniqes, if you're against any of this you're an authoritarian like in that George Orwell book!!
>>533636229>Cant even stop millions of dudes named Abdul "Takbir" Jagar from entering the country illegally and raping themThey allow them to do it on purpose
>>533636228Freedom is brown coded
>>533636228So, people born in 2009 will be 18 next year, and will see their 19 year old peers all able to buy and smoke fags next to them, and this makes sense somehow?
>>533636229>UK cops will be able to police teenagers smoking cigs?uh, yes? Have you forgotten about Corona, Masks, flatten the curve?
>>533639924true, although that was moreso because of christcuckery and was a state thing, specifically in the south afaik, although the feds are fucking drooling at all the shit they could do to monitor us and it's seemingly being done in lockstep with the EU and i personally think the UK and Australia honestly drag the overton window over to itidk if you were being sarcastic calling it organic, but i honestly think it might be a semi-conspiracy that all the countries are basically normalizing it at the same time, or at least they're seeing it getting normalized in other countries and then deciding to just hop in the bandwagon
>>533636228You voted for this
>>533640185Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>533636228Have to keep the cattle alive for longer so they can pay taxes to Israel and die for Israel, UK is 100% ZOG
>>533636228Next time some limey fuck on here starts complaining about America, remember this. The weakest people ever lets their government trample all over them and they can't and won't do shit. Their bravest died in war and their smartest left long ago.
>>533636228At least we beat those freedom-hating-commies, amrite?
>>533636228does that include cigars and pipes?
>>533640185>and this makes sense somehow?>makes senseWe don't think like that here mate. Picrel gets paid more than a minimum wage worker.
The UK takes freedom away.
>>533636228This is a good thing, and anyone who disagrees with it is either nonwhite or at the intelligence of a nonwhite.
>>533636233If I were you I'd go to America. For all its shortcomings, its the best place in the world to be a white man right now. Everywhere else is hell.
>>533636252Yeah they'll just be gang-raped to death by third world shitskins at 9 instead lol you retards have no place to stand criticising any other nation
>>533640233>because of christcuckeryDoesn't matter what excuse they use. For you it's christcuckery, for us it's to protect muh chillenz.>the feds are fucking drooling at all the shit they could do to monitor us and it's seemingly being done in lockstep with the EU and i personally think the UK and Australia honestly drag the overton window over to itNo disagreement there. People laughed at the UK when what we implemented has no teeth whatsoever (yet). Ofcom is just sat there fining 4chan and seething. Australias social media ban also doesn't really work, over half of them are still using it and the other half will figure out how to get back on it.>i honestly think it might be a semi-conspiracy that all the countries are basically normalizing it at the same timeIt absolutely is.
>>533640425>best place in the world to be a white man right now.Not for long, we're becoming jeetified to replace all the other browns being deported. Gotta keep that workforce that is held to unrealistic (read profitable) standards somehow, H1B maxxing.
>>533640374Then why aren't they just doing a flat ban now then?
>>533636229Finnish teenagers have switched to nicotine pouches. Basically snus but without losing your teeth.
What could possibly go wrong when you give up your right to bear arms? It isn't like the government always goes turbo tyrannical soon after or anything... Surely it won't happen THIS time.
>>533640564>H1B maxxing.Beat me to it. You're getting job mogged through Indian nepotism. What happend to your guns goy?
>>533636228That’s how you create a cigarette mafia and it will be controlled by arabs and slavs not brits.
>>533640610You don't use your guns though. Your goverment is putting your race through a slow genetic extinction and you're doing fuck all about it.
>>533640374No you are a faggot actually. Nicotine from a self rolled cigarette and a cup of French pressed joe makes for a great buzz and morning shit
>>533640583One inch at a time
>>533637556no retardthey won't be allowed to buy when they come of age either
>>533640707>Your goverment is putting your race through a slow genetic extinction and you're doing fuck all about it.
>>533640638Already exists and has done so for years.
>>533640784Kek it’s a gold rush for them then.
>>533638919>kids don't use cigs,fucking exactly though?jesus fucking christ they don't even smoke cigarettes anymore they all smoke weed with tobacco thoughthat isn't going to stop
>>533640456>Doesn't matter what excuse they use. For you it's christcuckery, for us it's to protect muh chillenz.it kinda sorta does because they're doing it at a different level for different reasons and the effects are different. basically, rather than being some 4d global conspiracy chess of all the most influential nations moving in lockstep to curtail the freedoms of the masses, it's a bunch of fucking retard evangelicals that are going "WOOOO YEAH CHRISTIAN NATION" and then having a panic attack when those religious fundamentalists they elected start blocking them from their blacked and cucked porn or whatever because they are ALSO retarded and dont get that it'll get them voted out next election season. its honestly harmless compared to the shit the feds are doing because the states arent(well, werent) even bothering to increase surveillance, they just wanted to ban porn and needed a barely legal method to do it>>533640707i'm actually with this guy on this, those guys in hong kong didn't have shit but they just made fucking napalm to douse on cops, americans are honestly cucked relatively speaking because our left had fucking nationwide riots and our right stormed the fucking capital and STILL nothing happened from it
>>533636235lmao bongs wont do shit.
Raises testosterone, increases cognition, fights infections, and kills nanomachines. Cannot have that!
>>533640634Guns don't work when your government has drones, it's not 1776 any more.
>>533640760Yeah yeah glass houses. Nice low hanging fruit you picked their, but you have guns, and your country is in the same position ours is, so what's your excuse.
>>533640868the governments tyranny will be ended when the muslim refugees get so numerous that all the bombings going off end up sinking the island
>>533640818>https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-machinize-2-thousands-of-businesses-targeted-in-coordinated-crackdown-on-high-street-crime>These figures include the removal of 70Kg of cannabis from our streets, 111,097 harmful, illegal vapes, 4.5m illegal cigarettes and 622Kg of illegal tobacco (equalling £3.4m of duty taxes evaded). Furthermore, 341 Referral Notices for illegal working and renting were issued meaning businesses could face fines of up to £60,000 per worker with landlords facing fines of up to £20,000 per tenant if found liable, and over 450 companies have been referred to Companies House for further investigation.No need to mention who runs most of the cornershops.
>>533640760nice webm, now disprove his point
>>533636228Keyed, FUCK tobacco and FUCK smokers.
Oh, it's 2009 now, not 2008.
>>533640878>kills nanomachinesnah, he looks fine
>>533641251>Oh, it's 2009 nowholy shit really?this time I think I'm gonna stay in college and stop smoking so much weed, because this shit is not working out for meI'm gonna invest in bitcoin
>>533640868the soviets used your women and children as breeding slaves in ww2 and genetically invaded your bloodlines when they rolled over your shit, now hit the rope lil heinrich
>>533636239Smokers die younger. Therefore they cost less in healthcare over a lifetime.
>>533636922your children are at the arbitrary whim of a despotic and corrupt government enforcing comically evil policy's that will stunt them in ways that you could not even fathom what is the virtue in banning a substance that is older than most nationswhere was the vision in outlawing its cultivation by the populationwell the vision was to establish monopolies those monopolies flourished into predatory businesses backed by the goverment that same goverment then decided to prey on those that it itself enforced addiction on and empowerd the addictor'sand now rather than simpily prey upon them financially it will be able to arbitrarily take away their freedom not figureativly but litterlywhere is the virtue where is the vision will we ban coffee will we ban seed oilswhat about harmeful chemicals used in water treatment or air pollution ect ectyou sir are so bankrupt of moral virtue and vison you see its inverse as an ideal you beg for others to controll you and scream that it is freedomyou are lost
>>533636228Why tobacco? Why not alcohol too? It's seems random to go after just one shitty vice. Is weed legal there? Might as well add that to the list. It's funny how the UK has all these crazy left wing policies, but is strict on cigs. That shit'll kill you, but grooming gangs roaming the countryside are fine
>>533641890>Is weed legal there?No but a bunch of politicians grow medicinal weed for other countries.
>>533636228Don't see a problem.But people, who search to participate in social connections and hierarchies via smoking ritual, will be upset.
>>533641890Yeah...just silly little politicians not know what they're doing. It's totally not like the UK is part of the NWO that every other white country is suffering from.
>>533641890they have been extorting smoker's for year'ssmokers are the largest net benefit to the tax paying system by virtue of insane taxes on smoking shorter lifetimes on averageleading to massive amounts of surplus tax compared to the average personits a thinly veiled attack upon a segment of the population in an attempt to grand standsmoking is not popular anymore so its an easy pr run to continually attack those that smoke it is a symptom of the most evil nature if it was convinient and soon it will be they will "ban" alcahol also they care not at all if people smoke or drink not even an iota it is a systemic endpoint for total control over a subset of the population with nothing but tangable negatives to everybody involvedsoon they will make air illegal so they are free to selectively prosecute individuals in totality why dont they ban fatty food's because fat people cost the most?why dont they mandate drugs because phama can lobby themthey will and this is how we know lest you forget the door swings both wayswhat is stopping them mandating drugs ala covidthe level of dystopian nightmareism enjoyed by the policy makers is beyond imagination they attack expression thought and your very freedom to exist in the world on your own terms >>533642193
>>533636239LMAO when are they going to bann niggrs then, retard?
>>533641890It’s precedence. >we are banning ICE cars for anyone born after 2010, it’s for the public good and preservation of the environment >we are banning hunting for anyone born after 2015, the biosphere belongs to everyone and must be preserved by the state>we are banning detached homes for anyone born after 2020, the state is now the primary home builder and for equality of access we need to bike high density housingThe old CS Lewis quote applies. Once you start creating separate classes of adults like this and justify it by preserving the commons, it’s a constant rolling degradation until you are a totalitarian autocracy. This gets slow rolled over decades to the point that the NPC population will not just accept that they are owned by the state, the will demand to be.
>>533640610I swear bongs would literally accept a total ban on civilian ownership of the remaining guns they do have and a strict licensing system for knives and swords if the government did it
>>533636228They simply want to extend the service life of obedient workers. Nothing more.
>>533641890Because after decades of lobbying against tobacco, studies are now showing that if you only taste the smoke and don't inhale it like a mong, and if the tobacco is the proper pesticide-free hand-cut product without any chemical additives whatsoever, the smoke is actually good for you and doesn't cause lung cancer.It's the chemicals that cause the trouble in your lungs.This is why cigar and pipe smoking are the best ways to use the leaf.Cigarettes themselves were always the lower quality product mass produced for poor people. They used to be bigger too, go figure.But that's probably not why they want to ban fags.Fagleaf is grown in the Americas. We don't have a tobacco industry here, though we could build one using greenhouses for premium product and might get 90% of the way towards the real deal.The problem is that Europe and Britain both are navigating away from the United States geopolitically.They're blocking Hormuz over oil now.What's gonna stop them from blockading Panama and the Caribbean? That would fuck tobacco shipments.Better for the masses not to be slurping the sauce then, wouldn't you say? If the sauce becomes impossible to get, you're gonna have a very angry population that can't get its fix.The last thing the EU and Britain want now is for a very angry population to go through withdrawal.
>>533636228Damn that's rough. I planted 60 tobacco plugs yesterday.
>>533640911>and your country is in the same position ours isLol no. No it isn't. Nowhere near. This is desperate cope from you.
>>533641336> no u!!!LOL pathetic bongfag. Your grandpappies fought for picrel.
>>533642791Wrapper is the highest quality leaf. Filler and cigarette are very similar quality leafs (although probably not your mass produced prepackaged cigarettes which are lower). Chew and dip are your lowest quality sweepings off the floor tier. But nothing is stopping anyone from just buying a narrow cut ribbon blending pipe tobacco (something mild like brightleaf) and just rolling cogarettes with it.
>>533642679and save the NHS moneyit's a fair a time as any to remind everybody that the word "draconian" comes from a greek ruler who literally tried to ban death
>>533640757Why would they ever want to buy it if they never got exposed to cigarettes in the first place? They're getting deprived from accessing the internet or doing anything useful or worthwhile. It's like gradually banning poison for the next generation.I don't agree with governmental overreach but if they're gonna do stuff like this, you go after the worst such as nicotine and you do it in a way that won't cause mass outrage.>>533641890You could argue they should do it to alcohol too, but at least that doesn't affect other people as much if you exclude the violence and crime i guess. Passive smoking is horrible. There's no counterpart for alcohol.
>>533639657Please live in reality. Not in your worthless utopian fantasies.Some people will want to be numb.No matter what you do, they will find a way.Black markets only lead to worse outcomes than legal markets.It upsets me too.But reality doesn't care.Please accept the facts and quit whining.
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>>533643862science has proven that meat is bad for youwe should ban meat coacroach farms owned by "state roach TM" are the healthiest food meat illegal for people born after 2025State roach flavour enhancer mandated with every mealsponsored by Pharma to table pills side effects include taste bud destructionso the goverment is banning mild toxins now?should we create a list of them i cannot possibly imagine a human being who has thought about this problem could possibly agree with it
>>533636345This reminds me of that one Frenchman post where the German chuckles to himself disgustingly like "hieben schlaffen mogengarden," stick to your work and your Muslim cock worship Klaus
>>533636243>Oi suhtinly know moah 'bout yoah cuntree den yew m8, oi watch da bee bee cee oi dewShut the fuck up Nigel. You're right about Maine/conservative midwest being the place to go thoughbeit, but it's ridiculously easy to immigrate here from Europe as long as you're not a total deadbeat moron. I'm glad my qt3.14 English rose isn't as retarded as you.
>>533644348People who go to a special building and get doled out literal pills of pharma lab chemicals every two weeks of their lives will tell you with a straight face we should ban tobacco lol.
>>533644348Meat has nutritional benefits and is a big part of a lot of people's diets to survive. How are cigarettes comparable to that? Why should the NEXT generation of children have access to it and why would you argue in favor of that? If you're simply against the government having too much power, there are many better and more convincing arguments against it.
You seriously want the freedom to get lung disease and heart attacks? Some freedoms are not worth fighting for.
>>533645231>big pharma and drugs are bad (agreed)>therefore lets push for children to use tobaccoHow does that make sense?
>>533636228kekSo they just buy cannabis, heroin coke etc from wogs instead?Got to love the retardation of liberals
>>533636228amazing that you can put discrimination into a law, this can happen only in bongistan dystopia>everyone born on march with a name starting with vowel pay triple taxes
I've noticed many post upset about this, the smoking industry must be feeling real threatened right now, they've resorted to bots and jeets to shill against banning their poison.
>>533636229They literally are afraid to go after paki's and shitskins. They aren't afraid to go after Rupert and Nigel. They have made that abundantly clear.Shitskins could probably overthrow that government easily and they would deploy riot police in white areas for no reason
>>533646120yeah its weird. its not like itll be illegal to set fires to piles of reeking garbage and inhale that if you want, pretty much the same effect. just wont go the some big corpos, so really its win win
>>533645881>push children to use tobacco. I realize you are most likely retarded but you are basically just building windmills to joust at- get a grip bozo. What bothers me the most is how tactless and shameless it is kek.
>>533640868Hey kraut faggot. How many injustices have you stood up to over the years? Oh that's right, none. You're a buck broken people who's best and brightest were slaughtered by Russians. You're just as cucked, maybe more so and the fact you think you aren't is honestly just embarrassing at this point.
>>533645800cigarettes can aid in cognitive function and have neuroprotective properties red meat has been linked to a higher risk in cardio vascular disease in some studies WHY SHOULD THE NEXT GENERATION BE EXPOSED TO RED MEATim against both i cannot imagine why you are arguing for a limitation of freedoms how about we ban smokeing and the goverment pays reperations to every smokerwhat about that there is nothing logical about your positionyou want to make choices for other peopleworse your not well informedworse your not even making the choice you want the government to do it why do you want a goverment that has not ballanced a budget in something like 60 year'sthat has billions of missing fundingthey have "LOST" literal BILLIONS and you want them make choices about what you do with your own body its in defencibleif you dont want the children to smoke inform them and if they decide to smoke so be it who gets to decide why is the goverment decideinglets remember the past for a moment shall we lets have a list of names of people who took money from tabaco companies and make they pay reparations to smokers DO YOU NOT REMEMBER NOT 40 YEARS AGO THE GOVERMENT WAS PUSHING SMOKEINGand now you want that same government to make a precedent on banning thingsrealistically you know your wrong you cant with a streight face belive what you do and if you infact do belive it you should not be makeing choices for anybody and there in lies the problemyou are smart enough to know you should not be makeing any choices but stupid enough to want the worst possible entity to do it for others
>>533646188Corporations wouldn't be such a big deal if people werent all so city minded and were willing to actually grow something themsleves or make their own alcohol or clean their own bird. As is the case for basically every issue on earth, they are first and foremost city problems being applied to every one else.
>>533646120>Banning>increases the price on the black market See what you did there Yilmaz
>>533643169It's mainly what they do to process the leaves that fucks it up.Traditional tobaccy is laid out or hung out to dry for a while before a man cuts it by hand to decrementally smaller sizes until it can be rolled into the desired product.Mass market cigarettes are made with tobacco that gets threshed with a combine and is shredded mechanically to tiny strands before getting mechanically dehumidified. They then add chemicals to emulsify this sawdust-like halfgood into something resembling tobacco, add flavouring agents to mask the atrocity they've committed, and then either manipulate it more to make shag, or stamp it into filter foils.Then they put a random disease unrelated to smoking on the cart with a friendly reminder that this shitty product causes cancer. Just thinking about the production process sure could.
>>533636230>no idea why anyone would stay if they have the option to gtfo.because actual Britains don't want to flee their country like a defeated coward and not make any changes. they plan on sticking around and see rupert lowe as their only hope. i have no doubt if that fails it will be the final nail in the coffin.
>>533636252We live in two different universes, yours of concern for public health forever bungled by your own governance, ours of concern for personal autonomy forever trampled by our own governance.Seperate question for ya: is it legal for you to grow tobacco in your garden?
>>533646390There are two types of tobacco. Flue cured and air cured. What you do is you cut at just the right time (when you pull the trigger and cut is the most critical factor imho). Then you leave it in the field for a few hours to start wilting a bit and then you hang it on a rail in your tobacco barn. With air cure, if the temp is right and the air flow is right it will cure naturally and you mostly guage how long by the color and watch for mold. With flue cure you have a special heater unit that warms up the air and gives you a slighly different process. You don't ferment the leaves unless you are making shade wrappers. That's literally the shorthand on the whole process.
>>533636252use googlename one health problem the goverment has been correct about in the last 60 yearsgo back to 1960 or anytime before thatfind one mandated health practise from the goverment that has not proven to be outwright an attack on public healthwe still have fluoride in our water to aid with teeth they used to prescribe fucking mercury they used radium in factories.....in the war ww2 they had cigarette rations for every soldier why do you want them stepping in on mild issues its outwright shocking they are even allowed to tax it at the rate they do to ban it is beyond the palewhat next red meat?what about carbsmaybe they will just ban the carbohydrate
>>533646326>cigarettes can aid in cognitive function and have neuroprotective propertiesWhy bring this up when it's overwhelmingly harmful and when you later said you're against it? Are you arguing it's healthy? And why does it matter that they're trying to limit purchases of a provably detrimental drug that only affects children in the next generation? I'm skeptical towards all forms of laws and governmental power but i can't see many downsides of this. Governments are always going to exist to an extent and if they're gonna use their power it should be to tackle obvious vices like this. Again, carnivores aren't affecting other people and eat meat to survive. Smokers will poison your lungs if you stand too close.
>>533646194It's tactless and shameless to try and restrict children from getting access to nicotine products? It doesn't affect current adult junkies.
>>533640564>PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE DEMORALIZED NOW SAAR!! Quiet down, jam boy. Living 20 to a house and being delivery boys and convenience store clerks isn't the success story you think in White America terms. You're 1% of the population, Patel. Do the needful and stand in front of a train for izzat, saar.
>>533636228>Be 30>Oy guv will u score us a pack of fags yeah>m8 they wont let me purchase em
>>533647043you're an idiot. those children won't forever stay children, but their right will be suppressed no matter how old they are because it's not ban by age but by date of birth.of course this nonsense will be repealed in time, this only serves to make a generation that will go to war cheaper to maintain while jews smoke their cigars and laugh. one should be extremely dumb to think this is for the benefit of "the children"
>>533647043It's tactless and shameless to pretend you are arguing against age restrictions on tobacco (which already exist) in a thread about the bongs banning it henceforth for all future generations regardless of their eventual age kek. Like I said, get a grip.
>>533636772Its kind of hard to grow tho huh? I grow weed and tried growing tobacco. They need high humidity while growing and low humidity before harvest. Anything outside of that will kill it.
>>533646987are you just stupid >Why bring this up when it's overwhelmingly harmfulbeing alive is a leading cause of death infact it has a 100% mortality rate what the fuck are you even talking about you bafoon >Are you arguing it's healthy?you atributed an arbitrary value of nutrition to deffend your product that is proven to be detremental i did the same your argument is erronious at best and lacks foundation> And why does it matter that they're trying to limit purchases of a provably detrimental drug that only affects childrenchildren cannot buy cigarettes this is illogical phalletic and redundant apealing to emotion yet void of substance and catagorically incorrect> I'm skeptical towards all forms of lawsyou are litterly advocateing for excessive goverment interferance with the population at a total scale limited by nothing you could not imagine a more wide reaching law if you tried all future peoples and persons will be effected by said law ignorant or iddiot >but i can't see many downsides of this. the fact that something does not personally effect you and your idolotus reverance for your excessive government intervention is palpable i dont agree with vegitarians i dont want to mandate there eating practises lack of essential vitimins ect.>overnments are always going to exist to an extent and if they're gonna use their power it should be to tackle obvious vices like thisobvious to who this is systemic overreach it should be obvious to you maybe they should ban religious practise or sexual proleclivity. >Again, carnivores aren't affecting other people and eat meat to survive.incoherant at best....
>>533636314colorado is nice if you stay in the small towns, anything resembling a city is overrun with mexicans because everyone fled california to come and enshitify the place
>>533637952Whats the fucking point? Just to look like a smoker? Seems foidcoded.
>>533647427It's not that hard compared to most plants. It sprouts from seed in trays readily, and grows fast. Perhaps in other climates it could be hard though. Curing it is the much harder part of the process.
>>533636235Seems like Britain solved the issue of how best to manipulate the populace a long time ago. Make social class and difference in white nationalities a personal issue everyone hyperfocuses on and gets incredibly emotional over and invoke that to get them to conform to literally anything.
>>533646987It takes away one's self-liberty. Keep giving those up and you'll soon have to ask permission to take a shit. Foreigners like you are already a lost cause, you gave up your liberty long ago. Keep letting your government tell you what you can and can't do, for the greater good. What a spineless faggot you are.
>>533636228>noooo>let me get over 30 different diseases from smoking so that the tax payers can pay my therapies
>>533647255>>533647469Again why does it matter if they'll be healthier and happier not having as much access to cigarettes? It's not like they're getting banned from the internet. From social media. From dating. From anything of importance. Most who grow up won't be interested in cigarettes in the same way you won't crave something that you didn't know existed and weren't exposed to. Some people will still smoke but the rate will go down. It already is. No one needs it or naturally craves nicotine. It's like shutting down supply lines to some fringe drug, but only for the innocent who haven't been hooked yet.
>>533647826>Again why does it matter if they'll be healthier and happierand who decides what makes them healthier and happier brainiac, government?can't wait for britbongs to own nothing and eat insects
>>533647745I get that junkies would be mad if this would impact their bad habit but it won't. They can still act like degenerates and blow their vile smoke everywhere without a concern for anyone. Which itself leads to less freedom because most people won't put up with the filthI'm more concerned with real liberty. Getting to do whatever you like without governmental intervention as long as it doesn't affect anyone. Opposing censorship in the real world or on the internet. The trojan horse of age verification. The struggle becomes even more difficult when idiots will waste their time arguing against some of the few policies that may actually make sense in preserving some sort civilizational morality or at least cleanliness. Pick up your cigarettes
>>533647800Socialized healthcare makes all health concerns public business when you really think about it. Smoking related diseases. Liver related diseases from drinking too much wine etc. Cardiovascular and other downstream effects of obesity from too much pasta and fast food. Treatment of anxiety problems and psych drugs to address unhealthy lifestyles and media consumption etc etc. With socialized healthcare there is an argument to regulate virtually everything.
>>533647826can you really not connect the dotsif i hook you up to an opiem drip and make you preform a blood test before every item of food you buyyou will be healthier and happierwhat an odd thing to say ends justify the mean's well we cant afford to pay our national debteverybody over 50 should be euthanised does that seem like a cohearant thought to you importance to who again what kind of nonsense is this are you a child? i have never heard anything so wrong in my lifewhat does acess to the internet even mean .....you are not even making sentences its a random jumble of buzzwords strung together in a vaguely sychophantic attemt to protect people that do not existwe should protect those non existant people from things like this what is more importantbanning tabaco from adults that are not yet bornor stopping the government implementing the most Orwellian shit you can imaginename something you do litterly anything and ill craft a reason to ban itname litterly anything you like air?air is an oxidisor and should be closely monitored infact air contains many chemicals that need to be carefully identified before an individual can safely enjoy itif the goverment does not classify codefy and mandate air rations for the individual they could inadvertantly harm themselfs ifnact you can even overdose on air thats why we carefully measure each breath!!!
>>533647917Scientific studies and data typically. Things that can be objectively proven as in this case. I don't trust any of these governments and most of them are subversive against the people but there are countries who've gone down this road when it comes to combating the nicotine decadence and i can't think of any good arguments against it especially if you're a realist who works on the assumption that a government always is going to exist.There are far worse stuff the uk govt is pushing for that should be called out, not this garbage
>>533648189And who exactly are the institutions conducting this "science"?
>>533648189"trust the science" that has a replication problem in 80% of studies and has litterly INVERTED COMPLETE OPPOSITE its opinion on issues rangeing fromdiet to drugs"OPATES ARNT ADDICTVE GUY"litteral opiod epidemic"FAT IS BAD FOR YOU GUY"food pyramid was litterly inverted"SEED OILS ARE HEALTHY DUDE".............the real problem is you dont want to inform people you want to enforce whatever nonsense you can string togeather in that cantelope of yours
>>533648172>what does acess to the internet even meanGovernments are censorship the internet and access to it maybe you've missed it, you seem confused>name something you do litterly anything and ill craft a reason to ban itHaven't got any vices really so that's hard but i still argue for liberty except when it comes to things that are extremely harmful in a way that can be measured. Cig smoking is next level degeneracy and cutting off the supply for the next generation would benefit everyone. It's so bad that i'd almost support a full on ban despite knowing the inevitable corruption of governmental bureaucracy
>>533648189this isn't about tobaco or vape at all retard, it's about right of choice and selective laws. there is zero zoomers in british government but they enact a law i can do this, but you can't, that's the pointhow about zoomers won't be able to drive cars EVER because cars pollute, and make people sedentary (which kills, scientists agree).how about zoomers can't listen to news about politics EVER, because it's stressful and it's scientifically proven stress is the biggest killer on the planet.
>>533648311>>533648359All sorts of people and researchers, not only tied to one institution or one country/culture. Are you trying to argue that cigarettes actually may be good and healthy for you? In that case why not go try the hard drugs too? Governments says that is bad too so that must mean its good right?
>>533648419I would be more in favor of banning the internet than banning tobacco. I could meet you in the middle and agree that we ban the sale of tobacco but allow people to grow it themselves if you agree to ban the sale of computers and smart phones and allow people to build them themselves.
>>533648419you dont know what a vice is.... thats why you think you dont have any..anon seriously you know your wrong you can feel it in your bones your "lack of vices" is from your perspective i think the way you think about this is possibly one of the largest vices possiblethe internet thing your just flat wrong about we can have that argument another day its not the flex you think it is
>>533648452Doubt any kids who grow up will care that they won't be able to buy nicotine to poison themselves and those around themAs for those other examples, cars are necessary for society to function. Yes they could improve the emission standards so its cleaner but a ban would never be practical or supported by anyone except some environmental zealot and it wouldn't make sense to phase it out for just one demographic as it is here. Censoring news to one demographic is also a bizarre comparison. I get the point you're trying to make but it's not equivalent. Defend real and true freedom instead
>>533648517they all said seed oils were good for youcurrently the studies are "mixed"in 15 years it will be bad for you screencap thisin the 1200's diet was considerd a form of medicenethat fell out of fashon for something like 600 years...im argueing the goverment should not be banning them infact im argueing the tax should be considerd extortinate on them and that everybody involved or who agrees with what is happening is fundementally anti human
>>533636228Starmer loves cocaine and rent boys though
>>533648566Which is insane. All the info, ability to communicate, create stuff, connect globally, become an entrepreneur etc and you want to shut it all down more so than stopping the cigarette plague? Didn't you portray yourself as a freedom advocate earlier?
>>533648517Most scientific institutions are gatekept and compromised. The number of actual research institutions is really not that large and are demonstrably compromised. The scientific method is only as good as the people and institutions that apply it.But look you are going to have to convince people that your laws and regulations are agreeable. I mean we tried this before with abolishing alcohol (the same people that gave women suffrage btw) and it turns out people thought it was retarded. I realize that for autistics, the inability to draw a line in degree between what we call "hard drugs" and something like nicotine is a compelling argument but anyone with a functional non autistic brain can see how idiotic that way of thinking is. which is why you people have had such a hard time getting a grip on tobacco and alcohol (which you have already failed at miserably once before).
>>533648590Why do you type like that? The only "vice" i have that might be considered as such would be social media, women or eating certain types of food every now and then. All things which have very little impact on myself or others. Mostly a positive impact in fact. Cigs, alcohol and drugs are completely different.
nicotine kills covid spike protein this is why they are trying to ban it everywhere It cures vax damage https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s42234-023-00104-7
>>533648981your largest vice is wanting to decide for other's what is best form them without consulting them this is the vice of tyranny
>>533648720So you don't trust any science then because some have been incorrect or biased in the past? Certain subjects have been studied so thoroughly that every conclusion is the same at this point.
>>533648824What you put in your mind is no different than putting poisonous things in your body except the mechanisms are not as well understood for how it afflicts you. People are over socialized and the internet is a gutter. You talk about it like the "big library and source of information in the sky" yes very wholesome. but if it were a library you'd walk in and think it was a smut shop or a Jay-Z concert. It has done more to afflict minds, make people terminally indoors, facilitate whores, and spread degeneracy than any single technology we have ever seen.
>>533649061Are you suggesting kids should be consulted about whether full access to degenerate drug markets are a good thing? No one defines that as freedom.
>>533649063like eggs?that 30 years ago were bad for you and have swapped between being good and bad for you no less that once every 3 years what are you talking aboutyou said that we should decide for people based on sciencei showed you that not only is your thinging deeply anti human but that the science is credibly discredited by itself im not saying science is wrongscience is saying science is wrongespecially in the domain of public health you want to talk about geometry im all in my dudeyou want to talk about public health we going to need to do some reading and some investigateing because other than social studies KEK the irony there quite possibly isnt a less certain area of the scientific domain we know more about astrophisics than egg's for some reason
>>533649298How do you feel about having to breathe in toxic air whenever you go out, I assume you don't like it in that case how should it be dealt with?
>>533649290why do you keep saying kidskids cannot smokeshould the goverment or the pearant raise the kidwhat kidsthere are no kidsthe kids are in your imaginationa child has never been allowed to smoke even as far back as the native american ceremoniesthere are no kids.......... litterly no kids ur clearly just purposefuly misleading people
>>533649367we should probably mandate the factories meet air quality requirement's or have particulant counters in public areas kek im not a fan but the goverment allows it
>>533649367we should probably cut down all pollen produceing treesthe science shows that pollen can cause allergys!!!think about the kids!!
that's an American thing
>>533649443So you want the government to push mandates on factories? OK...How about dealing with smokers who deliberately or through indifference blow smoke into close vicinity of other people?
>>533649367Even when I am sitting in the countryside with a lit cigarette literally in my mouth I am probably breathing cleaner air than any urbanoid lol. Much less the cumulative effect of their constant exposure to their noxious air.
This will have unusual side effects if it works. Productivity will drop long term (civilization stimulant theory). Short term crime and civil unrest will increase. People will still get hooked but supply will be less stable so they will have more frequent withdrawl periods causing a broad increase in aggression.
>>533649555you realise we have an air quality epidemic derived from poor regulatory enforcement and systemic capture.....to the point several companies have been fined tens of billions ..... you realse right now we have particulant counters in dense areas or are you trying to argue that fucking smokeing is somehow worse than industrial smog that lowers life expectancy something like 10x of a first hand smoker?thats the hill...??your just hopeing were dumb or something?what about cars...
>>533649564All the dirty vehicles, power plants and trash everywhere makes cities deteriorate yeah, something should be done about that too in a way that doesn't restrict individual liberty or economic output.
>>533636230>totalitarian stateits a nanny state here, cops behave very differently here. you live in a police state where zogbots will magdump you for having a melty.
>>533636230uhg!you rightwingers!
>>533649702I think both are bad and should be deterred somehow to make sure nature, animals and people don't get infected by all the poisonous fumes. It's everywhere
>>533649711nahh we shld ban smokeing instead let the REAL babbies breathe the smog we have to save the imaginary babbies that cant buy ciggarettes from buying cigareetes
>>533649790Speaking of coherence
>>533640868lmao same thing u said 80 yrs ago
>>533649711If you are concerned with a problem- in this case second hand smoke- then why advocate for a law that would affect some guy sitting in the clean natural air, two square miles from the nearest human, smoking a cigarette? Does that seem reasonable or rational to you?
>>533636228Women now dictate the agenda. Ever seen the BBC News? There's some foid anchor talking to some foid reporter interviewing some foid in the street - all fussing about every little thing. They are killing us with their fuss.
>>533649841the joke is you have to be 18 to buy cigarettesbut litteral children are breathing poluted air because the companys can afford to pay the fines because they lobby your goverment for low fines so its an ecenomical decision that hurts children but they would never ever enforce it......smokeing on the otherhand to save children that are not allowed to smokethats a real preassing issue if you are sat on a bench next to somebody smokeing it is like pissing in the ocean the effect is barely even measurable and after 30 minutes completly undetectablemeanwhile i can meassure the radon in your teeth and find your closest nuclear plant.
>>533640241>You voted for this
>>533649924Passive smoke is the biggest problem yes but people's health in general is important or you turn into some dystopian zombie land. In this case it wouldn't affect anyone who smokes right now and i can't imagine that there'll be a huge demand to start smoking from a generation that have been discouraged from it in an era where everyone knows how harmful it is and where it's already on the decline.
