It all started when the U.S. voluntarily abandoned its manufacturing base after the Cold War. That’s why they can’t say a word to China now and practically want to crawl into Xi Jinping’s arms. Even with Iran, they can’t suppress them properly and ended up losing 60 military aircraft in just one month.They withdrew from the Vietnam War because of public opinion; they didn’t actually lose the war. Even in the 90s, they invaded the Middle East and came back with a total victory.But since they let go of manufacturing in the 2000s, they spent 20 years rolling around in Afghanistan without even getting close to the Taliban leadership. Now, they can't even respond to Iranian drones, so their aircraft carriers are fleeing 1,000km away.By abandoning its manufacturing base, the U.S. has reached a point where it can’t even conceive of weapons to counter cost-effective threats like drones let alone actually build themHonestly, the US should be thanking Putin. If he hadn't invaded Ukraine and exposed the lethality of drones, the US would have tried to crush Iran the same way they did Iraq. (They would've anchored in the Persian Gulf, only to have their entire carrier strike group turned into scrap metal by a barrage of Iranian missiles and drones)
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>>533656661Honestly, this is indeed the fault of the left. Bill Clinton decided to hand over manufacturing to China, believing that since the U.S. had become the sole superpower with no rivals in sight, it could afford to do so. This led to China’s entry into the WTO, which transformed it into the world’s factory almost overnight. To be clear, Clinton didn't do this out of any love for China. He believed that economic growth fueled by manufacturing would inevitably collapse the Communist Party’s one-party rule and give rise to a democratized, pro-American regime. He even went as far as personally persuading Republicans who opposed China’s WTO entry. But the Right is hardly innocent either, they did absolutely nothing to fix it when it was clearly broken
>>533655223It started earlier than the 2000s. Henry Kissinger (Jewish) thought it was a good idea to give away all our industry to China in trade deals with the supposed idea it would make China "capitalist" and drive them away from the USSR and towards the USA. Instead, we just have no industry and China and Russia are basically allies.
>>533655223>Even in the 90s, they invaded the Middle East and came back with a total victory.People who believe this are peak retard.Literally everything America has ever done in the ME was a total failure for American interest, simple as.
Your forgetting to add the part where we gave black people rights and how we thought it was good idea to let ten million spics and Muslims come in the country unvetted
>>533658065>with the supposed idea it would make China "capitalist" and drive them away from the USSR and towards the USA. Well, he didn't lie lmao
>>533655223And it seems like the US still isn't serious about reindustrializing. Despite people having voted for that with Trump (and him winning the popular vote). The rest of government just doesn't accept that as part of their mandate.They want to have an industrial base mostly limited to military production. I think it's not possible. Not if you want to be efficient/reactive. AND they've allowed their defense companies to merge in the 90s and made things even worse. At this point those companies have so much influence on the government it's probably not going to be possible to reform them. All you can do is give them more and more hundreds of billions and HOPE you'll get enough out of them to win a war. It's in their interest to try to stretch out the wars though.
>>533655223I need to marry and impregnate a Japanese woman so I can get the fuck out of hereKorean is fine too
>>533657992I thought Nixon did that
>>533658065That's partly an own-goal though. We didn't NEED to push Ukraine into a war with Russia. We didn't NEED to expand NATO eastward. We didn't NEED to attack Russian energy. We could've just let them into NATO when they asked and had them as strong allies.But our leadership was too greedy and stupid, and wanted to balkanize Russia so they didn't have to pay as much for resources, and that whole chain of actions drove Russia into China's arms. They didn't even want to do it. They have more in common with Europe than with Asia.All parts of it come down to stupidity, greed and Zionist delusions of grandeur.
>>533657992>To be clear, Clinton didn't do this out of any love for China.He did it out of love for the money chinks were putting in his pocket.
>>533655223Imagine stripping the manufacturing base of your nation and shipping it off overseas becuase money go up.
>>533658824Nobody's yet solved the issue of how you get Americans to work industrial jobs while accepting 3rd world slave wages, meaning little desire to reshore.
>>533659997Didn't Marx have a quote about that?>The capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with.
>>533659422It’s a common misconception; people often assume that because Nixon opened the door, China’s massive growth followed immediately. But the reason China is a manufacturing powerhouse today is largely due to the WTO entry in 2001, which was Clinton's big project. When Nixon visited, China was an impoverished agrarian society, contributing less than 1% to global trade. Even by the 1990s, before the WTO entry, China’s GDP was smaller than Italy’s. They were just a regional player with potential, not a global threat to Western manufacturing.It was Clinton’s push for the WTO in 2001 that changed everything. It provided the legal and economic framework for Western capital to flood into China. That's why I see the manufacturing crisis as a post-Cold War policy failureIn short, Nixon opened the political door, but Clinton opened the economic floodgates
>>533655223>voluntarily abandoned its manufacturing base after the Cold WarIt was on a long-term downward trend since the 70s, and got btfo by Japan.
>>533660502>Nixon opened the door,Largely to firms like Honda at first
>>533658065That is so retarded. That is so incredibly fucking retarded. That's like how my retarded commie friend thinks about capitalism, like just the act of buying and selling things is inherently capitalistic and not inherent to literally every economic system. Jesus this country was run by morons in the past.
>>533659768Whatever the reason, if I were Chinese, I would praise Bill Clinton as the greatest Chinese leader of the 20th century. No, he is simply China's savior.Without him, it would have taken much longer for China to grow to its current size.
>>533655223The problem with going full individualist capitalist is those people have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. So you can't rely on them to provide any of the essential services needed for a functioning civilisation. All they will care about is immediate profit.You need a strong state to reel them in and force them to work for the good of the nation.
>>533655223100% outsourcing manufacturing is the biggest blunder any country can do
>>533655223honestly that last part is so true. The Iranians were building shaheds like a decade ago. They knew what was up. Russia taught a lot of the world a lot of things with their war. That being said, It's almost like the Americans didn't really consider any of those lessons
>>533659997Technically, the U.S. believed focusing on finance and services was smarter than holding onto low-margin manufacturing. And they weren't entirely wrong because the added value in finance and services is overwhelming. This is why a country like South Korea, despite producing smartphones, ships, fighter jets, tanks, semiconductors, and home appliances, still has a GDP significantly lower than nations like the UK or France. The West’s financial power is immense, and you can’t beat the money game with physical labor when they move trillions with a single click.Furthermore, profitable manufacturing requires low wages. If workers' salaries are too high, the cost of goods skyrockets, making everything much more expensive for the average person. China became the world's factory not because of superior technology, but because its massive population provided nearly inexhaustible and low-cost labor. The world enjoyed prosperity through the cheap products built on what was essentially slave labor in China.However, this has now become a paradox. By betting everything on finance and services, the U.S. grew its GDP but turned into a pure consumer. Now that China has become the ultimate supplier, the U.S. finds it nearly impossible to win a trade war. Naturally, they have lost the ability to even imagine, let alone build, countermeasures against cost-effective threats like drones. Ironically, the greed for easy money while discarding unprofitable manufacturing has paved the way for America's declineThat said, bringing manufacturing back to the US is practically impossible. American wages are at least double those in South Korea, so one can only imagine how many times higher they are compared to China's. If you compare current Chinese labor costs with American wages, it’s easy to calculate just how much inflation would skyrocket if everything were Made in USA.The only way for manufacturing to revive in the US is to revive slavery.
>>533655223>no mention of the genocide of Americans
>ching chongs and browns of every shade big madlol, love to see it. USA number 1 baby!
>>533661465>not an uma
>>533658244This is extremely important, because it turned all american manufacturing centers, from detroit to los angeles, into completely unliveable shitholes which no working class white american wants to come close to
>>533655223Triffin dilemma forced it and Americans gave up>debt doesn't matter
>>533661802Yeah, lies are usually pretty profitable for a time. And all finance is just gambling at best, outright lies (printed fiat) at worst.
>>533659422no, Nixon only opened up trade with ChinaThis kike in Clinton's administration actually gutted our manufacturing and handed it to China on a silver platter.Kikes thought China would be "more democratic" than they are. Basically, every move the kike makes is designed to make it easier for them to infiltrate your government, that's what they mean by democracy.
>>533662507amazing how only jews seem to profit lately while everyone else is reporting loss
>>533660305The western uber-rich are just going to have to accept that if they want security, they will have to pay for a loyal worker class who can produce war materiel and also defend them and their property if necessary
>>533660502>>533661802Well, there's a simple solution thenThe US has tens of millions of immigrantsEven a tiny fraction of them would amount to maybe ten or twenty thousand peopleThey could just kidnap them, destroy their passports, forcibly change their names, and use them as slave laborBuild the factories in remote areas where no one ever passes byIt's actually quite simple, isn't it?
>>533663762They might be going all-in on AI, thinking their robot dogs and autonomous suicide drones will protect them.
>>533664046Maybe. Anything but pay up. Hows it all working for them so far?
>>533656661>>533657992>Bill Clinton decided to hand over manufacturing to ChinaYou don't understand basic geopolitics. Bill Clinton was a figurehead who didn't decide anything. Finance jews decided these things.Watch the Predictive History - Game Theory series to learn the outline of what happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE4l9WyLF3U
>>533661802Global banking was able to do this on the back, of the might of the US Military as also the US technological lead in semiconductors. Logically, finance should operate basically for free, like bitcoin. Finance is doing very minor calculation and modeling as work, to earn an immense profit that is most of the economy. They're parasites.
>>533661802>>533657992Stop giving bad names to doro with your stupid fucking midwit posts. The US had no choice but to do a detente with communist China becuase Iran said fuck you mutts, the oil is mine in 1979. If US didn’t make amends with China then it would have been over for the entire west if China was to accept Soviet technology. Thankfully they had territory dispute because of massive Soviet HUBRIS. It’s why Japanese economy had to fall to make ways for China. And then China joins WTO and the rest is history and then all these motherfucker commies started to convert to neo-liberalism and capitalist-maxxing muh end of history hukushima frankist whatever the fucking anti’communist larp they could muster to save their faces>>533662507Iran must have gave some advice for China, that’s why. Clintons overdid this but why? being blackmailed? being former communist? it’s all coming out with SPLC stuff let’s see >>533658065>>533659997Fuck off tankies
>>533664418I would say modern Finance is a cancer that has grown too powerful. Normally Finance is a vital organ of the economy but it has become tumourous and is sucking all the vitality from the rest of the economy to the point where its killing the nation
>>533661802>That said, bringing manufacturing back to the US is practically impossible. American wages are at least double those in South Korea, so one can only imagine how many times higher they are compared to China's.>If you compare current Chinese labor costs with American wages, it’s easy to calculate just how much inflation would skyrocket if everything were Made in USA.Money is fake, yeah? You can do whatever you want with it. The way to do this would be to make like pre WWII Germany, and to pay people with "New USD" that is printed in accordance with the amount of labor being done. No one would starve, it would lead to an infrastructure boom like China.
>>533655223You forgot that americans also have a fucked list of priorities. Americans don't:>invest in the long term>value intelligence>value craftsmanship>value trust>value innovation over quick profits>value family>value community>value their children or their futuresAnd now, it'll become a consumer state full of hopeless fat fuckwits.
>>533663762I saw some other clever anon mention something similar; America's been deep into wunderwaffe and special operations guys for decades now, and it may have just been with the hope among the elite class that war is about highly specialized, high paid, and few in number supersoldiers with high-tech precision weapons. They liked that idea better because then you don't need to pay out to keep the entire country healthy, you can just pay a small subset and fuck the rest. And that they're all sad now because after the Ukraine war, it is dawning on them that modern wars are going to be WW1 style attrition slogs - and that means they need all the plebs again. They don't just need the plebs to show up, they need them healthy and smart and paid. I think you guys are right.
>>533664418Very much so and the tribulation of the modern day is allowing ourselves to notice that. Luxury space communism may appear at some point, but not in our lives.t. finance guy
>>533664630While it's true that the initial rapprochement with China was meant to check the Soviets, bringing them into the WTO had nothing to do with Soviet containment. The Soviet Union was already dead and buried, and Russia was struggling through a massive economic crisis at the time. Bill Clinton’s decision was based purely on the baseless hope that economic growth would inevitably lead to China's democratizationBut...to be fair, Clinton’s hope wasn't entirely a delusion. The idea that economic prosperity leads to a public demand for political power is a standard sociological theory, so his logic wasn't completely flawed. The problem was simply that China isn't a country where that kind of common sense applies. As demonstrated by the Tiananmen Square massacre, China was a nation that had no qualms about killing its own citizens to preserve the regime.In short, Clinton’s policy failed because he underestimated a system that would sacrifice any number of lives just to stay in power.
>>533664804Theoretically, if a nation could completely reset its currency and tie it strictly to labor value like a closed system, it might solve the immediate wage-inflation spiral.However, the challenge is that the US is the heart of the global financial system. While it sounds like a dream to spark an infrastructure boom like China’s, it’s hard to imagine the current globalized elites or the international market allowing such a New USD system to function without total chaos. It's a fascinating "What if" scenario, but a very dangerous gamble in reality
>>533659422Nixon opened up China to the West. It was actually a pretty effective move because the real threat was the USSR. China and the USSR hated each other at the time even though they were both communist. So he tried to basically exploit the poor relationship between the two.
>>533665879If the Clintons didn’t invite China to WTO things would have been worse(The very idea of WTO was entirely made up in 1995 just because GATT was too weak to contain Chinese IP theft). Things are pretty much the opposite of that. Clintons are just fuggin puppets nothing more or less. They don’t make decisions. If China wasn’t invited to WTO they peasant revolt would have actually happened, Jiang Zemin would not have been selected, Soviet Union would not have fall apart so miserably and make amends with Cina again, creating Iron eurasian block, no internet access to the gulf states, giving Russia full access to the ME which was the main strategy of the Soviet block the entire time. The democritization of China idea was farce from the get go. Never underestimate the western intelligencia. They already knew at that point, China is not some kind of one man dictatorship - 8 banner armies are still major factor in China and they don’t listen to wtf Xi Jinping is bitching about.
>>533666832Yes well the unspoken fact in this thread is that understanding history is well and good, but no change to the future course is possible unless the big elites (banking) and little counter-elites (silicon valley) are physically destroyed.Since there's no clear path to make that happen, in broad strokes the world will remain on its present course: intelligent populations will be genocided over time, the human population will get smaller and smaller, and the jews and a few others will prosper under the service of AI labor and robotics, as well as a modest number of mutts/brown servants.
>>533667450I never knew there was a conspiracy theory crazier than the Jewish conspiracy theory.
>>533657992>To be clear, Clinton didn't do this out of any love for China. He believed that economic growth fueled by manufacturing would inevitably collapse the Communist Party’s one-party rule and give rise to a democratized, pro-American regime.I can believe, libtards were SUCH stupid.
>>533655223china got wiped out in vietnam what kind of LARP are you even writing. in 1 month the chinese lost more men and material than usa did in the entire time they were in vietnam. and vietnam today is just country for cheap manufacturing for western goods.
>>533655223>the U.S. voluntarily abandoned its manufacturing base after the Cold Warthis never happenedglobohomo incentivized greedy assholes to do thatand then globohomo incentivized localities to expel their manufacturingthere used to be a forge at the bottom of the hill from methen for some reason they packed up and leftthat isnt "the USA voluntarily did this to itself"that's like being 5 and the 15 year old jew down the street grabs your arms and hits you with them and starts asking you why you're hitting yourself
>>533655223>fate of empires
>>533655223>self destruct
>>533668378My understanding of geopolitics is pretty shallow, I prefer to spend my time on other things. But OP doesn't know the basic patterns. He would do well to watch Predictive History or read some books like Capital in the Twenty-First Century or The Finance Curse: How Global Finance Is Making Us All Poorer.
>>533668174It wasn't just about them being liberals; it was about underestimating a regime that transcends all common sense. Look at the Tiananmen Square massacre. While many nations face anti-government protests, most respond with water cannons or tear gas. At worst, they might use firearms for suppression, as seen in Iran. But China brought in tanks. By deploying a tank division into the very heart of the capital, the CCP proved that anyone who dares to oppose the Party is no longer a citizen or even a living beings who have no right to remainThey are simply targets to be hunted and slaughtered like enemies in a war zone. It means, For the CCP, the Chinese people aren't fellow citizens or even human beings; they are merely replaceable parts in a machine run by the Communist Party. Even worse, considering that China and India have the largest populations on Earth, the CCP likely views the lives of Chinese people as having the lowest possible value, and that mindset remains unchanged today.Ultimately, Clinton’s miscalculation serves as a prime example of how a single leader’s error in judgment can determine the fate of an entire nation. And now, America is being led by someone even more incompetent and foolish than Clinton. It makes me wonder if God is truly intent on ending American hegemonyhegemony
>>533669649Bill Clinton was a lawyer from Arkansas who became president at age 46. Do you really think he was making judgement calls and strategic economic decisions? Bruh.
>>533670081If he was too incompetent to make his own strategic calls, that only reinforces my point. a weak and foolish leader allowed the nation to be steered toward a cliff.
>>533670687Instead of remaining at the level of claiming shallow victories in 4chan posts, you would do well to study the subject so your overall world view is closer to reality, if you're interested in that sort of thing.
>>533670921Even if we assume there was a grand design by behind-the-scenes actors, it was still Bill Clinton who allowed himself to be swayed. It was his pen that signed those disastrous policies into lawA leader’s job is to filter out bad advice and protect the nation’s interests. If he was truly just a puppet who couldn't make his own strategic calls, then he was a failed leader by definition. Being an incompetent puppet isn't an excuse
>>533667859But all your posts are bretty good. I enjoy it. /pol/ is so fucking dumb right now you mogg almost everybody here. Still, even if that was the grand strategy, Clintons still overdid what was necessary and caused a lot of unnecessary pain. Anybody should shit on them. >>533668988>>533668378>>533661201>>533660951The answer is 4chan withdrawal prevention center. It’s called the psyops sommelier society. If you're getting tired of this same-shit-spamming nu/pol/ sliding psyops agitprop concern trolling shill catalog, you should just start building your own communities or if you cba you can join my SimpleX chat : https://smp17.simplex.im/g#lzALEMkYHHloE3BusU9TrqIsv4XIQa_6fzIrnT7gz1QDesktop app : https://simplex.chat/downloads/>Inb4 : “muh you glow” “I’m not clicking that link nigga”Fuck you non-fren demoralization shill. I have a bad news for you. It’s only going to get worse. If you want actual anon discussion, talk about cohencidence and geopolitics, finance, tech stuff, philosophy, paranormals while at the same time some banter allowed, places like clearweb img boards are no longer some sort of isolated layer where we can laugh at normiefags all day. Being able to not be seen is the real anon power. We’re not watching them anymore, we’re being watched. Become self aware and have metacognition for once you autistic faggots. Discord, Telegram, X are not not really anonymous and namefag apps are inherently privacy nightmare. SimpleX is more like IRC feels - incognito mode, multi profile and no phone number needed to join. Beware : this chat is post-populist chat : woke right/woke left, insecure idpol shills don’t bother. This is not intended to be a safe-space. It was normal for people to have different opinion. But you can still joke around here and there and throw in some /pol/ memes and snarky comments in between also, unlike some faggot mods on Telegram. ng
>>533655223My fellow 4chiners are retards This shit was all literally planed to help china pull it’s self out of African tier niggerdom just like Japan after the war and Korea I mean barely sentient
>>533658065>2000s>Henry Kissinger Nigger
>>533671453I appreciate the compliment on my posts, but I’m not interested in joining some secret society chat. If the elites are watching, let them watch; maybe they’ll learn something from my insights lol
>>533672146He doens't know he can just lurk or whatever
