Food security is likely to become a significant issue over the coming years due to political instability the world over. If you want to avoid starving to death, you should start growing your own.>But I'm LAZY!Then plant some perennials. You only need to do it once and then you will keep receiving crops from them for years and years and years.>MUH CALORIESThen plant some nuts. A single hazelnut tree provides enough calories for a full grown man with a 2500 Cal/day diet to survive an entire month. Reducing your food costs by 1/12th with one tree is no joke.>I NEED MEATThen raise animals. You'll still want to grow stuff to feed your animals, though. Being reliant on feed from a store doesn't make your food security better.>MUH CLIMATE!Post your USDA hardiness zone and we'll give you recommendations that should do well in your area.>MUH GOV/RAIDERS WILL TAKE IT!Anyone who does any amount of agriculture should own a gun for dealing with pests. The number of legs they have is irrelevant.
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I hope my kiwiberries fruit this year
>>533655643Fingers crossed. Mine had a rough time last summer (very hot and dry) and then we had a pretty rough winter.
>>533655556Biggest issue for next 3 years.
>>533655556Surprisingly, flesh contains exactly the nutrients the human body needs
>>533655712if I remember right this is their 5th year since I started them from seed. slowly weaving them through a chainlink fence before they grew too tall for it was funif today wasn't rainy I'd be outside shoveling dirt
>>533655556I started permaculture this year on a scale that will eventually be able to provide about half my food. This first year is going to cost more money than buying the food, by the second year that should change, by the 5 year i should be getting high yields with minimal input
>>533656245It's best to dig the day after rain, as it softens the soil.>>533656267BASED.Have you built a bee hotel yet? Just taking a log, drilling a bunch of holes in one side and pointing them towards the equator is enough.
>>533656343no i must look into that, I'm planning on getting a few hives next year. Hobby level Beekeeping has been in my family for at least 3 generations. though it stopped a few years ago when my uncle became allergic after too many stings. in the meantime I will look into this bee hotel for pollinating the fruit trees, thanks
>>533656646Yeah, people generally neglect solitary bees, but they are very important for the ecosystem.
>>533656343also looking at those kiwi berries on amazon now, wasn't familiar with them,
>>533656728They are far superior to the fuzzy kiwis you find at the store. No contest.
>>533656728I saw some being sold at my local grocery store so I bought them. tasted good, size of a grape but smooth skin. so I germinated a bunch of seeds. I'm in maine and they've grown wellI've slowly been getting more and more perennial things. asparagus, jerusalem artichoke, blueberries, honeyberries, fruit trees.I still grow annuals and save seeds for next year though. tomatoes, spicy peppers, peas, green beans, gourds and melons
>>533656881Love me some honeyberries. Top tier fruit.
>>533656881If they grow in Maine they should thrive here
>>533656771I have put in a long edible "fedge" model I'm testing it out this year. I'm going to need to get kiwi berries on it. I have grey willow every 7 feet for pollarding and holding it up, then I have crab apple and all sorts of berries between. I have braided willow going horizontally, i have runner beans that will grow up everything and then a row of kale and cabbaone etc on both sides. I have the whole thing wrapped in scaffolding netting with only the trees coming out the top. Without this the slugs and birds would take everything in my location.
>>533655556im planting potatoes right now.
>>533658629I used to plant about that size in spuds, three years ago I got blight at the end of the season, but it really put me off planting spuds. the blight warnings(its a thing on the news in ireland) have been so bad this last few years that I only have a couple drills in now.
>>533658629Very nice. Easily one of the lowest effort annuals and very high caloric density.>>533658976Sorry to hear that, man.Maybe you could try tiger nuts? They survive zones 5 to 10.
>>533655556I don't own any property. The last place I lived in had extremely shitty dirt that required me to put a ton of work in to have a decent vegetable garden.The owner's daughter came back home and he decided he wanted her to live in the house. So I lost the garden. Not going through that again.
>>533659204Do you know anyone with land?If not, you can always grow stuff indoors. Mushrooms are extremely low cost since you don't need any grow lights. Another good option would be sprouts/microgreens. Your time between harvests is extremely short (a few days to a couple weeks), they're very high in nutrients and local restaurants will buy the SHIT out of them, so it's easy to turn into a business.
>>533659186>Maybe you could try tiger nuts? They survive zones 5 to 10.Great. I'll look into them I'm somwhere between zone 8 and (9a because I'm on the) coast
>>533659352Is it possible to grow food on land you don’t live in but travel to occasionally? I’m thinking of getting some rural land and doing something with it before building a permanent structure
>>533659549They're quite good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcQAlNbP9NE>>533659607Foraging is a thing. Maybe you have a happy little accident and some raspberries start growing along your favourite trail.If you own a plot of land and build a food forest, you'll also start attracting all sorts of tasty animals like deer, rabbits and squirrels.
>>533659607>Is it possible to grow food on land you don’t live in but travel to occasionally?depends if it will need watering other than what happens naturally. you could probably get away with garlic and onions that need very little tending or protection. potatoes maybe. consider getting any trees you want later on planted asap for obvious reasons.
>>533659932>consider getting any trees you want later on planted asap for obvious reasons.This is why I keep recommending hazelnuts. Other than being high calorie and delicious, they only take ~3 years to start giving good crops. That's comparable to a berry bush (2-3 years).
>>533660052yeah, get stuff like that in ready for when you move out there. might need protection from deer/moose etc nibbling the shoots.
>>533659607>Is it possible to grow food on land you don’t live in but travel to occasionallyyes it is possible. the biggest issue would be water followed by pests. depending on the size and what you are growing you could probably get buy going once a week, especially if it rains.>>533659186sweet potatoes are a great crop too
>>533655556I've played Farmville for like 3 months and had a very high score. growing food is super easy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5QPhHTJmzs
>>533660137A good way to passively deal with pests is companion planting. If you put a bunch of mint, chives, (perennial) nasturtiums and the like around them, that will dissuade lots of bugs.
>>533659607I do that, I live in a village, but have a little farm land about a quarter mile away. When I started putting in an orchard people started telling me that I was going to be loosing apples etc to theft. I'm not that worried atm. I've put in white thorn and black thorn hedgerows, I will get around to security after a while, there are a lot of devices on the market now. Chinese electronics with motion and proximity sensors that activate deterrents or take video etc. I also have a dog that spends a lot of time there. When the hedgerows get mature I might put a mean donkey and or ram in there.
>>533656169This is my plan. Eat everyone else.
>>533660355well, kurucatchoo to you
>>533660355You'll die faster than you would do starvation.
thanks to berry anon from last thread i decided to plant some haskap. planted 3 in a row (aurora, borealis, berry blue) I ordered tunda and blizzard to fill out the row. If i don't like it I can make wine out of it and get my neighbours drunk.
>>533660427to* starvation
>>533660433They make an *amazing* jam.
>>533655556owning a home is required for any of this shit on the scale youre suggesting.
>>533660647Do you know someone who owns land? Just cut a deal with them.
rabbits are super easy and taste just like chicken.
>>533661155Way better than chicken, to be honest.
>>533655556They don't want you to know this but you can just plant things in public places like ditches next to roads, public parks. I even planted some pumpkins on roundabouts lol.I'm planning on growing some fruit brushes next to highways and major roads next.
>>533656169ironically, glp-1 will see to it that human flesh becomes scarce
>>533655556>A single hazelnut treemy hazelnuts are being stolen by squirrels before I can harvest them
>>533662043In other words, you have a bunch of tasty, well fed squirrels on your property just waiting to be harvested.
>>533655556I live in a suburb in western Wagoner county in Oklahoma. It's basically northeast OK. I've struggled to maintain a few plants due to our extreme temps in both directions. >tomatoes got killed with a 30 day heatwave>basil died in the same heatwave>all lilies then in winter I lost what I had left as we had insanely cold days like -7 which is unheard of for this area. We also have high winds quite a lot, and bad storms since>tornado alleyI'm glad to accept any and all suggestions and help. I have a decent sized backyard that's fenced, and a shed I store shit in. I also have a huge empty rectangle deck that gets direct sunlight like the yard all day. House faces South.
>>533660458>>533660427maybe >due to?
>>533660712>asking nicely>in americaMmm yeah I think I'll lay on the tracksFarmer John will probably shoot me in the stomach and watch me bleed out wondering if the cops are just gonna magically to appear arrest me like in his movies
>>533662712Oklahoma varies from zones 6 to 8. If you plant things that survive zones 5 through 9, that gives you a good buffer for dealing with unusually cold/hot weather.Your first priority should probably to make a windbreak of some sort. A sturdy hedge around the perimeter. If necessary, build a fruit wall.Good options include:Sea buckthornElderberryHazelnutRugosa rose (they make large rose hips)Currants/gooseberriesNanking cherry
>>533663229Getting killed in the process of trying to acquire it or communicable diseases.
>>533663264You don't have ANY family or friends with land that is just covered in grass or whatever?Just ask them if they'd be interested in growing a food forest and offer to help them plant it in exchange for some of the food.
>>533659352>sprouts/microgreensi've mentioned this in your thread before, but these giant black radishes bolt in the heat and make zillions of little seed pods, which can be eaten right off the plant, or you can let them dry and save the seeds from them. excuse the potato tier pic. you can see there are only a couple there, but each one will grow to 4-5 feet tall and make multiple little vines.these used to be the most popular kind of radish for centuries until the little red ones took over. they are also called nero tondo black radishif you want a sprouts business, this is a good way to go, the sprouts are super spicy and pungent. i didn't even plant the ones in the pic, they self seeded. super low maintenance, and if they self seed in the summer, you also get nice bulbs in the fall/winter, which are about the size of tennis balls.
>>533663372Radish sprouts are fantastic, but you should also try onion and broccoli sprouts. They are fucking AMAZING in a sandwich.
>>533659549it never fails to amaze me that you lads are in zone 8-9 and at a higher latitude than i am, while here i am in zone 2. >>533659607>grow food on land you don’t live in but travel to occasionallythat's basically what farmers do. it would depend on the crop, your location/climate, land quality and pests etc. farms are very spread out, and sometimes farmers rent fields from other farmers on land that isn't connected. they plant, wait, then harvest, essentially.
>>533655556im too tired boss
>>533663937That's why I'm suggesting perennials, Anon. Lowest possible effort.If I can do it, you can do it, too.
>>533664004i was just trying to correct your "do to" because your correction was confusing.
>>533655556just raid some normalfag boomers or even better some redditorsmight as well take their women to warm your bed for a night or two before tossing them out to starve
>>533664153Autocorrect is shit.
>>533663267i'll look these up, thank you! There used to be a tree that helped break the wind, but it was cut down last year for fear of it falling on the house. There's also a mulberry tree in my neighbors yard that hangs over into ours, so i steal fruit from it every so often (before the birds)
>>533660427>>533660355checkyes, you can only eat 400 grams of protein before you get sickthis is why the natives never relied on hunting for food. because it kills you.except for the inuit, who eat blubber as the main source of calories. they would also be crippled with arthritis by their 60s, with onset way before that, which might explain why the old ones went off on an ice floe to die alone, they knew they were cooked.protein does not provide energy, it repairs the body, makes your nails and hair etc. fat and carbs provide energy, but fat has the tendency to make you less insulin sensitive, meaning you are less efficient at taking up calories and using them. carbs on the other hand increase insulin sensitivity, which is why diabetics that eat such a diet have rock solid blood sugar numbers and need way less insulin too. even the ancient egyptians knew this, and stressed the importance of fruit and honey in the diet.
>>533664446Mulberries are fantastic.
What to grow in southern Ontario? How do I start? Does top soil have nutrience? Am I supposed to let seeds sprout indoors before planting? What do I do with the fucking weeds? Isn't winter-chan going to fuck everything?
>>533655556The amount of land you need to maintain yearly calorie count is pretty insane and is a full-time job to maintain. Plus you can never get sick or get injured or it all collapses. So realistically you don't just need land and tools and knowledge, you need a few friends who also have land and tools and knowledge.Living like the Amish takes time and effort to spin up. If you're not doing it when collapse finally becomes sudden and kinetic, you're not going to manage it in the aftermath.
>>533664816It should be noted that overconsumption of carbs also induces insulin resistance in some people.Balance. Balance is required.
>>533667443Your best bet are berries, stone fruit and vines.Raspberries, blackberries, thimbleberries, currants, gooseberries, aronia, blueberries, cranberries, honeyberries, plums, cherries, apricots, hardy kiwis, grapes, maypops...You have a lot more options than you think.Just go to your local plant nursery and they'll have lots of options adapted to your climate.
>>533667592It doesn't need to be 100% of your calories, it just needs to be more than 0%.If you are entirely dependent on stores to acquire your calories, you will get fucked over hard.The UK had food rationing well into the 1950's, long after WWII ended.
>>533661155You'll get protein poisoning if you don't supplement your cute bnuuy cuts with a source of saturated fat.Do they still taste more the less the same, but milder/blander if eaten raw?
Peaches come from a can, they were put there by a man
>>533667852no, not true, my sanctimonious friend.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1394223/?page=1we know good and well for over a century that carbs increase glucose tolerance and decrease insulin resistance.as i said, diabetics get more insulin sensitive when eating tons of carbs and grains, like 20 pieces of fruit a day. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Isrq4KmWttc?feature=shareall of the data shows that people on high carb low fat diets are the healthiest and slimmest. the guy in the video is a scientist, who has diabetes, and tried the whole keto, weston a price route, and it fucked him up.you would also have to define "balance" and "overconsumption". when you eat excess carbs/sugar, your body heats up and uses the energy that wayhttps://youtu.be/rUWcgh5Ju9gpic related, they ate mostly barley
>>533655556>food shortages>billions must die>problems solved
>>533655556Wheres the part where i need land
>>533668110>You'll get protein poisoning if you don't supplement your cute bnuuy cuts with a source of saturated fat.thats not true
>>533662712Probably buckwheat barley and potatoes and whatevers else you want thats hardy bushesDo you oft get tornados ripping through your property? Sounds like hellBe like a bedouin: plant, leave for greener pastures with flocks, return to harvest and hope ferda bess
>>533669246see>>533664816Rabbit starvation, also known as protein poisoning or mal de caribou, is a form of acute malnutrition that occurs when a person consumes a diet consisting almost exclusively of lean meat without adequate fat or carbohydrates. Despite having a full stomach, the body cannot metabolize the excess protein for energy, leading to a state of starvation where the individual feels constantly hungry and malnourished. >rabbit starvation>The condition arises because the human liver has a limited capacity to process protein, typically metabolizing only 285–365g per day. When protein intake exceeds this limit, toxic levels of ammonia, urea, and amino acids build up in the blood, overwhelming the kidneys and causing metabolic chaos. This is not unique to rabbit meat; it can result from eating any very lean game, such as caribou, elk, or deer, particularly during winter when these animals are naturally low in fat
>>533655556It's unironically illegal to grow food due to patent and zoning laws in the US, California regularly busts people for greenhouses and takes their property without a proper court.
