The Chinese always defeat Billionaires! Such is the power of Communism.
>>533680718I thought sodium ion turned out to be a flop and they were giving up on it
Sodium ion batteries have poor energy density. They're only useful for electric cars because they are cheap to manufacture and extremely temperature resistant. Stupid nigger.
battery related meme headlines pop up every 45 seconds
>>533680772the West gave up on it. Only the Chinese can into technology.
>>533680718Are they more or less flammable than lithium?
>>533680789Electric cars need power density. What you described would be good for home energy storage because you don't care how big and heavy the battery is if it's just sitting outside your house.
>>5336807181 ton battery
>>533680874Probably less
>>533680789energy density is the same now. kneel before the chinese super scientists
There is another company that just discovered lithium. Just be prepared to pay Bruce $50 if you aren't paying attention on Fidelity.
>>533680718I can’t buy CATL.
>>533680718based fuck weimerica good luck chinks.
>>533680718i'm sure this will materialize to reality like every other chink "breakthrough invention" in the past 40 years
>>533680848This is great news.After China obliterates the fake U.S. economy they can focus on clean manufacturing and ecology protection the way we did.
The elites are keeping this from you.
>>533680789Sounds excellent for home power storage for an off-grid system.
Batteries fucking suck. They always have sucked. They always will suck. I'm not going to ever love batteries. I don't want any batteries. The worst part of any car is the fucking battery. The worst part of any thing that uses power is the battery. There's no way to make them good. They suck.
>>533681244>they can focus on clean manufacturing and ecology protection the way we did.Never happen.Trump is going to break China before the trade talks.
>>533680789Sodium is good enough, and good enough and cheaper always wins over better and more expensive.5 years and lithium batteries will only be in high performance EVs. Regular ones will be sodium based.Anyway lets see how many cycles the batteries can handle.
>>533680874Less because they can be discharged to zero volts safely. Far less risk of thermal runaway and dendrites forming (which cause internal short circuiting).
>>533681153You can already buy it. Bluetti had a sodium ion battery station last year. CATL is just ramping up production scale.
>>533680874No risk of exploding like lithium or LiFePO4 batteries. More stable and not as reliant on rare earth minerals. Potentially significantly cheaper once mass production begins. But also heavier and not as energy dense as lithium. Better for home or company battery storage.
>>533681357i like batteriesneat cylinders of poweras a kid i tried to call the guinness book of world records for my collection of like 16 batteries until my dad told me someone would come along with millions of them
>>533680718lithium batteries were invented by japs thoughand sodium batteries are an extremely old idea.
Would love to have an accident while sitting on a big one of these.https://youtu.be/dRxb1mv_hL0
>>533680718BUT WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT FIRST. CHINA ALWAYS SECOND. WE EVEN ALREADY WENT BROKE. ALWAYS SECOND FIDDLE. WE HAVE THE BEST SODIUM ABTTERIES> I"M ALWAYS ONE STEP AHEAD IS WHAT THEY ALWAYS SAY. EVERYONE SAYS THIS
>>533680718>The Chinese always defeat Billionaires!Really? Why do they have so many of them then?
>>533681980Well we did invent the idea in the 70s. We've just failed to mass produce it at a viable level.
>>533680718Different use cases. Lithium will still be used for cars and phones.
>>533681357They do have one redeeming quality they are fun to throw into the ocean
>>533680874The early models were even self extinguishing after charge was depleted. Higher density ones not so much but still won't randomly catch fire after six months of sitting in a wrecking yard. That being said, the application won't really be mobile, rather for adaptive supply on a consumer basis. Think tesla power wall but less likely to burn your house down. energy density by weight hovers around 30-50% last I read, but if they're cheap enough they could totally make solar+battery storage viable for a lot more people. There's also hub-hub about new solar panel tech but I haven't read anything lately. Apparently a company was supposed to debut something at consumers eat shit show but they either didn't or it got shadowed by everything else that claims to be new just because it now has some form of ai integration.>>533682055It's just the life cycle of any new tech in the US as it pertains to VC. Make a huge splash, get private and government money, draft up letters of promise for billion dollar investments and megaprojects, then go bankrupt, pay people as much as is "left", pocket the rest and move back to Israel.
>>533680718Just watched the conference, its absolutely insane what they are achieving meanwhile here we get infinite niggers
Remember the big news about Silver Oxide batteries last year?Samsung demonstrated an EV battery that could be fully charged in 9 minutes with a 600mile range.Then China started buying up all the silver and cause the price to skyrocket.It's still very highhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide_battery
>>533681357This is the truth.
>>533680789You sound salty.
>>533683742
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>>533681357oh yeah sure we'll just stick a mini fucking 2-stroke on your toothbrush.
>>533683273Japan/Sony could have researched this in the 80's.Unfortunately the nerds in their research departments recommended Lithium ion to the CEO, and suddenly the world was stuck with Lithium for the next 30 years.And we would start new wars and regime change operations solely due to the fact that Lithium is rare.Until China decided to give the fuck finger to Lithium.
>Chinese industry is so weak and stupid it must be endlessly discussed and analyzedYea accepting reality is hard, even for /pol/
okay, hear me out...
>>533680882>1 ton battery>>50 mile range
>>533681959It's won't be the same design. That old one is different.
>>533681153Chinese state owned companies never fuck around like that.When they announce something, it's always going to be big.
>>533684068when life gives you lemons...
>>533681370You can’t even get some sanctioned sand country to open a few miles of waterway using your trillion dollar carrier battle groups. China will GAPE you.
>>533680789What a salty loser faggot. China won America lost. Communism is better capitalism is a failure.
>>533684365>>533684437Indonesia is blockading their strait with US's help. Two more straits and China is practically cut off form the rest of the world economically.
Good news for Canada and Russia.
>>533684516>russia
>>533684516>I cannot win by honest innovation Kek, you are an even bigger loser.
Good news for Africa/Arabia.
>>533681357yeh, as a kid I was certain they'd do away with them, use some wireless means of transmitting power. But no...
>>533680718Cool can we start feeding to leftists instead now?
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>>533680718>thinks china is communistbro, you're not someone that is to be taken seriously. dumb fuckboi.
>>533685070
Hydrogen fuel cells are the future. Someone just needs to figure out if Stanley Meyer was larping when he said he could create a kilo of hydrogen instantly with electrolysis and the right frequency.
>>533685082China is the only country in the world that has a system streamlined to create workers co-op villages.
>>533683939>Grip manual tooth brish>Place manual tooth brush in your mouth>Hold securely>In other hand grab fork>Hold securely>Insert fork into nearest electrical outlet.>Enjoy powered toothbrush
>>533685183ok, is that the definition of communism?
>>533685282It's currently the most communist societal structure in the world.
>>533685391just because your mother has a mustache, doesn't mean she is your father anon.the word you are looking for is national socialism
>>533685504>national socialismBut China calls it communism. And I'm okay with that.Your original complaint seems to be something else though, you were probably arguing China is capitalist. This is wrong. CATL would not have functioned under capitalism, they wouldn't have a scientist in charge of the company under capitalism, capitalist corporations would have a handrubbing merchant class in charge.
>>533685738Not at all, read my first reply.
>>533685944But in the end -> China calls it communism.Why are you calling them something else?
you mean1 race kingdom
>>533686080China doesn't decide what communism means.
>>533681264flibe.com is behing held back by jews from free energy for allthen dymaxion car burning hydrogen adn swap tank gas stations which LITERALLY gas
>>533686158They (and Vietnam and Korea) are the only ones who adopted communism. So they own it now.Yes that means they get to define what it is and how it evolves.
>>533680718>'new' deposits in Canada 'discovered' last month
>>533686227and that they did, they evolved communism to national socialism
>>533686380Explain your case based on the CATL situation.As far as I'm aware China hasn't expanded into Russia like the Germans did.
>>533680790>battery related meme headlines pop up every 45 secondsRemember the Samsung Silver battery patent?Yeah, Silvers already on its way to sub $30 for the next two decades.
>>533686455>Remember the Samsung Silver battery patent?Korea is generally shitting its pants and flailing around in a panic, I wouldn't trust anything a capitalist corporation claims without a product in the shelves.
Does that mean we won't have ticking time bombs inside every single thing?
>every material has its limitations>no single material can excel in all parameters>implemetation has to be responsible there is no 1 size fits all>>533686666That was Sony's path. Natrium is much less dangerous.
>>533680718What happens when sodium gets wet? Asking for a friend.
>>533686970Nothing if it's not in metallic form. In ionic form it is water safe.
>>533686970fucking retarded American. You're worse than fucking pajeets
>>533680772"its a flop" is a cope by people that dont have the science or technology to make it work. Its PEAK sour grapes. You tried to do it, couldn't make it work, so proclaim it a "flop" until a later date until you DO have the technology to make it work.
>>533686436>Explain your case based on the CATL situationProvide subsidies to every nigga startup in x field to turbocharge their development then cut subsidies and let the free market bloodbath determine the best ones, provide ongoing support to the best ones but much less than the early stages of free gibs. Make sure to stick a party member on every corpo board to make sure they aren’t getting away with too much shitfuckery.Sounds pretty fucking Hitlerian to me you raped kikeslave. They just keep the commie symbols and photos of Marx around as a very Chinese method of ensuring legitimate continuous authority of the CCP. Functionally they might as well be flying a swastika.
>>533681153>40 years>compared to an 8000 year empireretard alert. China invented gunpowder that you greasy pigs are still using to this day. China was also the first to invent Paper, the Compass, and Printing.What has America invented in 250 years? The Nuke is one.
>>533687348>Provide subsidies to every nigga startup in x field to turbocharge their development then cut subsidies and let the free market bloodbath determine the best ones,As I understand it, this might as well be communism.It's the same thing as central planning, but with a layer of reality check and market feasability.
>>533687473>market feasibility How communist LOL
>>533687520Communism has markets, it's true. They always did.
>>533687602Oh they did? Can you please provide examples? Teach me all about it.
>>533687769Place where people go and buy things. What else would it be dumb mutt.
>>533680881correct. sodium batteries will be used in areas where space is not at a premium
>>533687404Chinese never figured out to wet down gunpowder into a slurry so it could be dried and processed into powders of different coarsnessess for different applications. They kept using dry powder mix that didn't keep a uniform mixture and was unsafe, which is why they never invented one-man firearms. It's one reason why the Japanese steam-rolled the Koreans in the 1580s (before the Japs realized their overall plan was shit and they couldn't actually win the war) with guns they copied from the Portugese.
>>533687842b r u t a l
>>533680772That's how it always goes in this jew-controlled world>something new is invented>it threatens the finances of the current ruling elite>(((independent experts))) test it and claim it doesn't work>even though it actually works>ignored as a yet another failure>so we should instead focus on banning meat and nuclear power to fight climate change
>>533684516>ACKCHYUALLY we don't want to open the strait, we want to keep it closed
>>533680789It's good for grid storage where you can fill a warehouse with them and space doesn't matter.
>>533688167yes it was all 4D chess, trumpstein actually wanted the strait closed from the beginning. trust the plan. patriots in control o algo
150 countries will adopt Chinese kitchen salt batteries.The remaining 40 countries who stays away are the Europeans, Murrica, and possibly Japan Korea. >aka. "The international Community"®™This means these countries will be at massive industry disadvantage.
>>533684068A broken window in a wreck may not kill you, but you'll wish it did.
>>533680772If its what i think they mean, the battery is Hydride Ion, which uses a sodium aluminum hydride anode and cerium hydride cathode. 6x more energy. Safer. Charges very fast. Does not lose capacity nearly as much as lithium ion. Its better in every way possible. Look it up. Do your own research.
>10 Coulomb>Peaks at 15 CoulombDo they mean Coulomb per second?
Charge timefrom 10% to 35% takes 1 minute.from 10% to 80% takes 4 minutes.from 10% to 98% takes 7 minutes.from 20% to 98% in Canada, takes 9 minutes.Just beware they are fudging with the starting percentage a bit to make the stats look good.
>>533688699>Trump wants iran to behave>iran acts like a nigger instead and holds most of the world's oil hostage via blockade>Trump completely cuts off the strait instead>iran still wants to be niggers>world economy adapts in 2 weeks by buying American oil now>Trump starts closing every strait now that the winning move against china is to suffocate their economydumb fat retard balding stupid embarrassing orange migger diaperbaby hitler rabbi jew goodest goy kike pedophile takes another W against the immaculate protagonist left who didn't lose ackshyually
To improve charching time, internal resistance has been reduced.This is reasearch at molecular level of the battery.
>>533680848the chinese cant even "into" non developmental nation status.
>>533689500>fudging with the starting percentage a bit to make the stats look goodStats already look amazing.How long before the West reverse-engineers this tech and starts making their own salty batts?
>>533680718Sodium ion wont completley replace lithium but it has major use cases. It’s very cheap too. I have a lot invested in CATL.
>>533680874No and everyone claiming that is a shill. Sodium is highly reactive and a battery is a stack of very thin metal foil. Less flamable than lithium ion does not equal not flamable
>>533689666>forgot grifter and antichristwhoops
>>533680969>source: trust me broNo, I will not be trusting you, wumao nigger
They analysed which part of the battery heats up the most, and applied more heatsinks in those locations.
>>533684317Ok name one
>>533690284BYD
>>533680718>shittier batteries>same price or even more expensive because new and cool techI hate this country
>>533680848>ching chang chong china built technologry
>>533680718Holy shit. We can turn the oceans into battery storage. Not even memeing, what great news. China truly is making the world great. Meanwhile America starts wars for jews.
1000 charging cyclus, battery retains 90% capacity.>>533690344You're wrong. they improved the batteries in many areas.
>>533688091Yup just how adobe houses are banned in USA because they're too cheap to build
>>533690316Shitty explosive cars, implessive
>>533680848can't wait to see what china is capable of when they stop stealing technology and only innovate instead, surely great things!
Muttmericans, it's literally over. It's never been this over.
What good has Amerimutt done for the world the past decade? AI data centers and endless financial crashes. Debt-riddled fat fucks.
>>533680718This is western tech invented in the 70's which was ultimately suppressed because we have a fake and gay economy.
>>533680789So in other words, they're cheap chinkshit that only would have been made by chinks anyway
>>533681357>lightning metal nuggets>liquid dinosaurs>very hot salt>angry rocks>dirty rocks>wall of water>wind>dead treesWe're a weird species in our power choices
>>533691016Nope.280 Watthour per kilogram.600 Watthour per liter volume.Unprecedented price reductions. Muttmerica is finished.
>>533683742Based
>>533680789the voltage curve sucks
>>533690633>Muttmericans, it's literally over.Dayum,They achieved a 30% weight reduction compared to previous generation.It really is over for Muttmerica.
>>533684662Link to that video
We might see an end to slave labour
>>533691458Lane change safety improvedBrake distance improvedhttps://youtu.be/VnBBoZpzt-A?t=2115
>>533687842by that definition there are no economic models, every economy is just the same thing. which is retarded.
>>533680874Tech to make the battery less likely to explode already existed and put into mass production. That doesn't mean the car is immune to fire, if you have electrical damage like a short circuit somewhere outside the battery, the car will still burn because of how much energy the battery puts out. BYD recalled their cars several times for it
>>533690928Anon it's over for muttmerica.Suspension systems will last 40% longer.Tires will last 30% longer.China is just keeps winning.
>>533691767>every economy is just the same thing. which is retarded.American model = Jews are in chargeChinese model = Chinese are in charge
>>533691842too bad 80% of that will bend or catch fire
>>533693003Muttmerica is bending and catching fire right now.
>>533680772Lithium is for performance. Sodium is for cheap gook shit. Anyone saying otherwise is a chemlet.If people complain about the size and weight of lithium ion batteries just wait until they get their hands in sodium ion batteries. Top kek.
>>533691883Didnt the chinese people just have to eat billions in losses when evergrade shit the bed which was a litetal goldman-sachs funded realestate deal? This idea that china is not globohomo is so immensely retarded i rarely even engage with the brainlets positing such absurdity. But, it should be noted that chinas entite communist revolution and cultural holocaust was of jewish architecture and they have only become more pliable after such a conclusive defeat.
>>533693334Over here Mutt>>533691378
>>533680718Just switch to dilithium
>>533693470>evergradeSo what Mutt?
>>533693499>a 30% weight reductionSo they are only 200% heavier than libs? Neat. >>533693524>so whatChina got fleeced by western banks. China is globohomos bitch. Ill not entertain the idea that china is some independent nation fighting the global elite when the entire country exists as a cheap labor pool for western products still enslaving their people shamelessly.
