>I don't need to study grammar, logic and rhetoric in order to think well. I'm smart enough to think well without it.Said nobody with a triple-digit IQ ever.
Accurate pic then & today
>>533690449Oh I don't know about that.
>>533690449Rationality decoupled from sex and violence is sterile and masturbatory.
>>533690449>>I don't need to study grammar, logic and rhetoric in order to think well. I'm smart enough to think well without it.who says this?
>>533690449Chiaki killed nagito in danganronpa. But Chiaki wasn't a person, she was an AI.
The trivium (a deep, systematic study of grammar, logic, and rhetoric) was the basis of Western education for over a thousand years. It continued in an increasingly diluted form until the middle of the 20th century, when it was replaced by more "progressive" methods of "education" for hoi polloi. It survives today only in very elite private schools. Recently the homeschooling movement has tried to revive it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triviumhttps://youtu.be/J-00ouej34ghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_education_movementhttps://classicalconversations.com/blog/what-is-the-triviumThe Great Tradition edited by Richard GambleHere's the talk by Dorothy Sayers that sparked interest in the trivium among homeschoolers:https://www.fadedpage.com/link.php?file=20140328-a5.pdfHere's John Taylor Gatto's breakdown of what you'll find still being taught only in the very elite private schools:https://youtu.be/VgNOellI03whttps://youtu.be/obFPLRuP41wHere's what we've been given instead:https://cardinalinstitute.com/the-prussian-model-of-education-in-the-us-should-be-reexaminedhttps://youtu.be/LnWbKQcElGkHere's where the globalist elite go to school:https://youtu.be/A0OBhoWBctwHere's an outstanding textbook on the trivium method:https://archive.org/details/the-trivium-the-liberal-arts-of-logic-grammar-and-rhetoric-sister-miriam-josephMortimer Adler, the man who inspired Sister Miriam, wrote the book on how to read a book:https://archive.org/details/howtoreadabook1972editionHere's a pop book about the trivium for the general public:Trivium: The Classical Liberal Arts of Grammar, Logic, & Rhetoric by John Michell, et al.Here's a high-school textbook on traditional Aristotelian logic designed specifically as part of the trivium program:Logic As A Liberal Art by R. E. HouserHere's a good essay on the fate of the humanities in our modern "education" system:https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/not-defend-humanities
>>533690449I make that face when I cum.
>>533690449i just realized this was the face of the masturbator because retards probably jacked off in public
>>533690631The grammar studied in the medieval trivium was general grammar, which is basically semiotics with a substrate of metaphysics, as opposed to special grammar, which is what we think of today when we hear or read the word "grammar". The closest we might get to general grammar today would be to study linguistics alongside Aristotelian metaphysics; for instance, something like the following:The Study of Language by George Yulehttps://sharifling.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/the-study-of-language-george-yule.pdfAnalyzing Grammar by Paul Kroegerhttps://anekawarnapendidikan.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/analyzing-grammar-by-paul-r-kroeger.pdfPrinciples of General Grammar by J. Roemerhttps://archive.org/details/principlesgener00roemgoogThe Philosophy of Grammar by Otto Jespersenhttps://archive.org/details/philosophyofgram0000jespA Higher English Grammar by Alexander Bainhttps://archive.org/details/higherenglishgra00bainrichAn Introduction to English Grammar by Greenbaum & Nelsonhttps://archive.org/details/AnIntroductionToEnglishGrammerCopy The Principles of Grammar by Leonard PeikoffCollar & Daniell's First-Year Latinhttps://archive.org/details/collardaniellsfi00collrichLingua Latina Per Se Illustrata: Familia Romana https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-oerberg-familia-romana-libFirst Steps in Anglo-Saxonhttps://archive.org/details/firststepsinang00sweegoogA History of the English Language by Baugh & CableThe Mother Tongue by Lancelot HogbenIndo-European Philology: Historical and Comparative by W. B. Lockwood https://archive.org/details/hermesorphilosop00harrhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_grammarhttps://iep.utm.edu/aristotle-metaphysics/https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-metaphysics/https://iep.utm.edu/aristotle-logic/#H2https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-categories/https://circeinstitute.org/blog/blog-metaphysics-grammar/Substance and Essence in Aristotle by Charlotte Witt
>>533690449>training for years to argue with people on the interneti just call you a nigger and you start hyperventilating, so whats the point?
>>533690816I wouldn't neglect special grammar and composition, though. Since public schools no longer teach people how to write, it might be worthwhile recommending some books and videos on composition and style:Writing and Thinking by Foerster & Steadmanhttps://archive.org/details/writingthinkingh0000norm Style: Ten Lessons in Clarity and Grace by Joseph M. WilliamsRhetorical Grammar by Martha Kolln Pen and Ink by Guy N. Pocockhttps://archive.org/details/bwb_KU-190-994Style: The Art of Writing by F. L. Lucashttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.474163Style: An Anti-Textbook by Richard A. LanhamThe Elements of Eloquence by Mark Forsythhttps://youtu.be/ulhrXgpjveAhttps://archive.org/details/englishcompositi01bainhttps://archive.org/details/acollegemanualr00baldgooghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentencehttps://youtu.be/-BiwmpPDCpkhttps://youtu.be/hhVic18H4u4https://youtu.be/YYH6vfNiqxwhttps://youtu.be/RQL-2LHweKYhttps://youtu.be/A74sdHiIgnIhttps://youtu.be/6OK2yMbV-jUhttps://youtu.be/j5lAigr4_m0https://youtu.be/N4o5Y7ZRckwhttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.209854The last book listed above (the original unabridged edition by Graves & Hodge) contains a superb short history of English prose style. I also recommend studying poetry in depth, as this forces you to pay extremely close attention to words, their associations and effects, a habit that will later feed into rhetoric. Prosody manuals by actual poets should be your texts, plus a good anthology of great poems throughout the centuries (I like Immortal Poems of the English Language edited by Oscar Williams).Rules for the Dance: A Handbook for Writing andReading Metrical Verse by Mary OliverThe Poem's Heartbeat: A Manual of Prosody by Alfred CornPoetic Meter and Poetic Form by Paul Fussell https://archive.org/details/em-38057-poetic-meter-and-poetic-formThe Poet and the Poem by Judson Jeromehttps://youtu.be/MkvhZ6veqNAhttps://youtu.be/-18xZIr97KI
>>533690896For logic, start with some general and non-technical books like Lionel Ruby's Logic: An Introduction (which is the best general introduction to logic I've seen) and Stephen Naylor Thomas's Practical Reasoning in Natural Language (which drills students until they can analyze natural-language arguments in their sleep). After that, it's time for traditional Aristotelian logic, which is what the trivium is based on. The best introduction to this is Peter Kreeft's Socratic Logic. It's a textbook designed for high-school students. If you want to get really deep into it, there's H. W. B. Joseph's Introduction to Logic and of course Aristotle's Organon.https://archive.org/details/peter-kreeft-socratic-logichttps://archive.org/details/introductiontolo00josehttps://archive.org/details/organoncooke01arisuofthttps://archive.org/details/organoncooke02arisuoftAfter that, you can delve into modern formal deductive logic with Patrick Suppes's First Course in Mathematical Logic and Nicholas J. J. Smith's Logic: The Laws of Truth. There's also this free online textbook:https://forallx.openlogicproject.org/After that, you can look into informal logic. The author to read on this subject is Douglas Walton. He's written many books on it.This is the best book I've seen on what teachers nowadays like to call critical thinking:Creative and Critical Thinking by W. Edgar Moorehttps://vdoc.pub/download/creative-and-critical-thinking-3g9jb3fp8epg It's basically a primer on inductive reasoning.Here are two excellent 19th-century textbooks on deductive and inductive logic:https://archive.org/details/logicdeductivein00bain_0https://archive.org/details/logicdeductivean00readuoftIn addition to the above, you should also study abductive reasoning and heuristics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_reasoninghttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abduction/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristichttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic_(psychology)
>>533690983>After that, you can look into informal logic. The author to read on this subject is Douglas Walton. He's written many books on it.What I like about Walton is that he doesn't claim that informal fallacies are always fallacies. He takes care to note the circumstances under which certain "fallacies" (such as ad hominem or the slippery slope) might actually be legitimate methods of critique. He's the only author I've read who does this.>you should also study abductive reasoning and heuristicsWalton has also written a book on abductive reasoning, which I haven't read yet. C. S. Peirce, the greatest philosopher the U.S. has ever produced, coined the philosophical term "abduction" (although its current definition has changed slightly) and made it a key component in his system. For heuristics, the authors to read are Georg Polya (who coined the term) and Gerd Gigerenzer.Gut Feelings: The Intelligence of the Unconscious by Gerd Gigerenzer Heuristics: The Foundations of Adaptive Behavior edited by Gerd GigerenzerMathematics and Plausible Reasoning (in two volumes) by Georg Polya The last book is a classic but requires some mathematical knowledge to fully appreciate. Polya wrote a more popular book called How To Solve It.https://miro.com/strategic-planning/what-is-ooda-loop/
>>533691058To transition from logic to rhetoric, study the Socratic elenchus and dialectic: https://therightquestions.co/tag/elenchus-method/https://archive.org/details/dialectic0000adle Aristotle's Dialectic: Topics, Sophistical Refutations, and Related Texts translated by C. D. C. ReeveDialectics: A Classical Approach to Inquiry by Nicholas Rescher Both elenchus and dialectic are methods of inquiry that use a question-and-answer format to test for inconsistency, but each has a different use and M.O. Elenchus is used solely for refutation. It begins by you asking your opponent for a definition of the subject under discussion and then peppering him with a series of yes-or-no questions carefully framed so as to make him assent and lead him step by step into contradicting himself, thereby (purportedly) refuting his original claim and demonstrating that he doesn't know what he's talking about. It does not attempt to make positive contributions, especially when combined with Socrates' scathing irony. In the early dialogues of Plato, Socrates simply demolishes his interlocutor, makes a few sarcastic remarks, and departs. That is elenchus. In the later dialogues, however, Socrates is less scathing and more constructive, using dialectic to help his friends develop their ideas into something that can withstand rigorous scrutiny. Dialectic is a kinder, gentler Q&A, two-way instead of one-way, with open-ended questions that allow for subtlety and nuance in reply. For our purposes, elenchus, if it is used at all, is used on (not-so-bright) enemies to refute their arguments and make them look foolish in public, while dialectic is used in private with (intelligent) allies to help us clarify our positions and refine our arguments. Dialectic, by the way, is the only antidote to this new man-made horror:https://youtu.be/_xHY4rfNRUAIf necessary, you can try to simulate dialectic by yourself:https://youtu.be/m47HazDm4Ekhttps://youtu.be/Fl5S5s8oSxM
>>533690449Yet this is the essence of learned language models.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Lqd5JVl00
>>533691138Finally, there's rhetoric. The History and Theory of Rhetoric: An Introduction (1st edition) by James A. Herrick is a decent historical survey of the subject.Here are some excellent old textbooks:https://archive.org/details/principlesofrhet00hillhttps://archive.org/details/ancientrhetoricp00baldrichhttps://archive.org/details/medievalrhetoric0000char_n9f2https://archive.org/details/principlesofargu031882mbpAn excellent modern rhetoric textbook based on classical principles:https://archive.org/details/classical-rhetoric-for-the-modern-student/A pdf for a beginner's version of Aristotle's Rhetoric:https://share.google/XbI3jCRVivWJUDVmfA series of short videos giving you a guided tour of Aristotle's Rhetoric:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFbFmLLP3FsLY0xVEg8pMkvX8qwFHGtwCA translation of Aristotle's Rhetoric:https://archive.org/details/artofrhetoric00arisuoftThe classic Roman text on rhetoric is the Rhetorica ad Herennium formerly attributed to Cicero but probably not by him:https://archive.org/details/adcherenniumdera00capluoftFor a really deep dive, there's Quintilian's Institutes of Oratory (four volumes in the Loeb Classical Library), which gives long, precise descriptions of how upper-class Roman youths were trained to become effective speakers and writers.https://youtu.be/rl9WxD10WLsTo bring your rhetorical education up to date, you might want to study books on propaganda and marketing. Edward Bernays, the father of public relations and modern advertising, wrote two short books on these subjects: Propaganda and Crystalizing Public Opinion. Robert Cialdini has written a recent book on these topics titled simply Influence. Finally, for a very deep and scholarly investigation there's Jacques Ellul's Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes.A key concept in modern rhetorical theory is identification, which underpins almost all propaganda, psyops, and advertising:https://youtu.be/zdbaV2MVhBM
>>533690528Grammar, logic and rhetoric are upstream of science. Science is inherently empirical; grammar, logic and rhetoric are not.
>>533691225From a YouTube comment:>During Shakespeare’s era, the Classical Education of the Greeks and Romans had a renaissance. Writing was based on the trivium and had two stages. In Stage One the student would choose an exemplary model and analyze it by parsing it grammatically for correctness, then logically for arguments/topics of invention, and then rhetorically to identify its tropes and figures, as well as other dimensions such as the arrangement of the entire discourse, or matters of rhythm and style. Stage Two involved the practice of Imitation. These imitative exercises consisted either of copying the form of the original but supplying new content; or, of copying the content of the original but supplying a new form. There were many different techniques employed (the most common being the varying of sentences) and they included a practice called Metaphrasis - the ‘translating’ from one genre to another - a speech to a poem, etc. Students kept commonplace books to record their favorites. Models of exemplary writing were often taken from famous Greek and Roman authors, such as Plutarch. I genuinely believe that, thanks to Desiderius Erasmus, Shakespeare would have had this classical training in writing. He would have most likely been reading Sir Thomas North's translation of Plutarch as a model of excellence, and been practising his progymnasmata exercises, collecting them in his commonplace book. The final Form taken within this education is Genesis - the creation of your own work, which would have included examples of exercises a student had worked on during his education.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysian_imitatiohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonplace_bookhttps://youtu.be/2HCmv6aDYbQhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progymnasmatahttps://www.classicalwriting.com/Progym.htmhttps://youtu.be/0f0N-DbtotIhttps://youtu.be/1pzXg-eqGW0Progymnasmata: Greek Textbooks of Prose Composition and Rhetoric translated by George A. Kennedy
>>533691337Your education doesn't end with the study of grammar, logic, and rhetoric. The trivium should lead to the study of mathematics, philosophy, history, and literature.Start where all the greats did until comparatively recently. For over two millennia, every educated person learned abstract deductive reasoning by studying Euclid.https://youtu.be/IaXRFmtgMUU >I have given up newspapers in exchange for Tacitus and Thucydides, for Newton and Euclid, and I find myself much the happier. - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams 21 January 1812https://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0041.104/--lincoln-euclid-and-the-satisfaction-of-success?rgn=main;view=fulltext?https://youtu.be/A-MxQJRXGy0Far from being obsolete, Euclidean diagrammatic reasoning is more natural than, and for some purposes might even be superior to, the algebraic forms of logic taught in universities today:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050920303409The Thirteen Books of Euclid's Elementshttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.126332https://youtu.be/BfQzIi9HZA4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFC65BA76F7142E9DThe Four Pillars of Geometry by John Stillwellhttps://youtu.be/UhX1ouUjDHE Here's a book on how non-STEM people can benefit from studying mathematics:How Not To Be Wrong: The Power of Mathematical Thinking by Jordan Ellenberg
>>533691449A superb history of applied mathematics:https://archive.org/details/klinemathematicsandthephysicalworldSome very popular and rigorous 19th-century textbooks that are still being used in some countries:https://archive.org/details/academicarithmet00wellrichhttps://archive.org/details/elementaryalgebr00hallhttps://archive.org/details/advancedcoursein0000webshttps://archive.org/details/elementarytrigon00hallhttps://archive.org/details/elementsofcoordi00loneAn excellent modern calculus textbook suitable for self-study:Modern Calculus and Analytic Geometry by R. A. Silverman If you want to go to beyond calculus, you'll be getting into analysis and pure math, which is all about logically proving the taken-for-granted mathematical procedures themselves. This will require you to be creative in a very rigorous way.https://archive.org/details/introductiontoma00russuofthttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKBRHzyVsSQOCoRTPgtYDQ_3U4KHNqeSa Mathematical Proofs by Chartrand, Polimeni, & Zhang https://archive.org/details/book-of-proof-third-edition-2018-richard-hammackhttps://youtu.be/V5tUc-J124shttps://youtu.be/nGEUOLCYbngReal Analysis by Jay Cummingshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL04BA7A9EB907EDAF Elementary Classical Analysis by Marsden & Hoffmanhttps://archive.org/details/WhatIsMathematicshttps://youtu.be/-fq6jhILiPwhttps://youtu.be/TdeKw0jbTdcWhat you DON'T want from the study of higher mathematics is mere rote learning for memorizing formulas that you mindlessly apply to contrived problems on exams. Some memorization and lots of practice will be necessary for developing your skills and intuition, but the ultimate goal is to understand, fully and deeply, what you are doing and why you are doing it. Mathematics, like logic, should teach you how to reason deductively and think systematically about things. It is, ultimately, a creative art/science.https://youtu.be/PiG8NM2aXI8https://youtu.be/upFxaYnrs-A
>>533691495One glaring omission from almost all public high-school curricula is probability and statistics. Every high school has calculus classes, but I've never seen a high school that teaches P&S. How odd. P&S would be far more useful than calculus for most people, and it's easier to teach. It is an indispensable tool of critical thinking--which is undoubtedly why it isn't taught in public schools.Here are some good introductory books that don't require a lot of math:How To Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huffhttps://archive.org/details/how-to-lie-with-statistics-darrell-huffAn Elementary Introduction to the Theory of Probability by Gnedenko & Khinchinhttps://archive.org/details/gnedenko-khinchin-an-elementary-introduction-to-the-theory-of-probabilityBasic Statistics (revised & enlarged edition) by George Simpson & Fritz Kafkahttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.148535Calculated Risks: How to Know When Numbers Deceive You by Gerd GigerenzerIntuitive Biostatistics by Harvey MotulskyHere's an excellent introduction to combinatorics, a branch of mathematics that informs P&S as well as CS:Mathematics of Choice by Ivan Nivenhttps://archive.org/details/math-of-choicehttp://infolab.stanford.edu/~ullman/focs/ch04.pdfSome basic knowledge of finite and discrete mathematics will inform combinatorics, which in turn will inform P&S:Finite Mathematics by Karl J. SmithIntroduction to Discrete Mathematics by Robert J. McElieceHere are some more advanced P&S books and courses that require a bit more math:Basic Concepts of Probability and Statistics by Hodges & LehmannAn Introduction to the Theory of Probability and Its Applications (in two volumes) by William Fellerhttps://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.5666https://archive.org/details/introduction-to-probability-second-edition-joseph-k.-blitzstein-jessica-hwang-z-libraryhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2SOU6wwxB0uwwH80KTQ6ht66KWxbzTIo
>>533690449you losers never win any arguments on here anyway you still resort to ad hominems all the time and pretend you won that wayyou low iq fagget commie jew nigger beaner mulatto sandnigger jeets all do this
>>533690449Knowledge =/= IntelligenceOnly intelligent people seem to know this.
Begin your study of philosophy with Plato and Aristotle.https://archive.org/details/plato-the-last-days-of-socrates-the-apology-crito-phaedo-platohttps://archive.org/details/gregory-vlastos-the-philosophy-of-socrates-a-collection-of-critical-essayshttps://archive.org/details/the-republic-joe-sachshttps://archive.org/details/platos-republic-a-critical-guidehttps://archive.org/details/theaetetusofplat00platrichhttps://archive.org/details/plato-r.-e.-allen-the-dialogues-of-platos-parmenidesPlato's Gorgias and Phaedrus translated by J. H. Nichols Jr.https://archive.org/details/aristotle-desire-to-understand-learhttps://archive.org/details/cambridge-companions-to-philosophy-jonathan-barnes-the-cambridge-companion-to-aristotle-cambridge/https://archive.org/details/AristotlesNicomacheanEthicshttps://archive.org/details/AristotlePoliticsSachs.numTwo very different translations (and interpretations) of Aristotle's metaphysics:https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.185284https://archive.org/details/aristotles-metaphysics-sachs_202306A History of Ancient Philosophy (4 vols) by Giovanni Reale is a brilliant, highly original survey of ancient Greek philosophy:https://archive.org/details/historyofancient02real/ Guide to Philosophy by C. E. M. Joad is the best introduction to metaphysics and epistemology I've read:https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.507125https://archive.org/details/bwb_P9-CAT-703The Great Conversation by Melchert & Morrow Bacon to Kant: An Introduction to Modern Philosophy by Garrett ThomsonThe Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science by E. A. BurttThinking It Through by K. A. Appiah https://fivebooks.com/best-books/kant/#book-705https://richardschutte.medium.com/the-triadic-of-reason-b17f3b2b9606https://youtu.be/-oQL0sB3lqYhttps://youtu.be/6RZr3dtvqAEhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhP9EhPApKE8B-g03RivIMt7llh1cyEGVhttps://www.historyofphilosophy.net/all-episodes
>>533691629I could easily fill 30 posts just listing history books, but I'll limit myself to these 26 books (some of which are multi-volume) plus two essays. I concentrate mainly on ancient and modern history, choosing books as much for their literary quality as for their scholarship and insight. That's enough reading to keep you busy for a few years.What Is History? by E. H. CarrThe Rise of the West by William McNeillhttps://archive.org/details/historiesofherod00herohttps://archive.org/details/the-peloponnesian-war-oxford-university-press.-thucydides-martin-hammond-p.-j.-rhodes-2009_202504Hellenica and The Anabasis by XenophonThe Histories by Polybius History of Rome by LivyConspiracy of Catiline and The Jugurthine War by Sallust https://archive.org/details/twelvecaesars01suethttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.189883The Gallic War by Julius Caesar Plutarch's LivesHistory of the Wars and The Secret History by Procopius of Caesarea The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon The Muqaddimah by Ibn KhaldunNew Science by Giambattista VicoThe History of England from the Accession of James the Second by Thomas Babington Macaulay France and England in North America by Francis ParkmanAlbion's Seed by David Hackett FischerThe Ideological Origins of the American Revolution by Bernard BailynDemocracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville On Power by Bertrand de JouvenelThe Origins of the Second World War by A. J. P. Taylorhttps://www.unz.com/runz/the-true-history-of-world-war-ii/ Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley The Lessons of History by Will & Ariel Durant https://archive.org/details/the-fate-of-empires-and-search-for-survival-john-bagot-glubbThe Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler
>>533691684Eventually you will want to collect your own library of physical books to read and study from, not just as a hedge against a complete internet crash or a full-scale, centralized memoryholing of unauthorized digital texts, but also because you learn better by reading and studying from physical books:https://youtu.be/SEu0tx1_Zwkhttps://youtu.be/uiNB-6SuqVAhttps://youtu.be/1ykKCTcCbKYYou can order cheap, used hardcopies of most of the books listed above from the following dealers:https://www.thriftbooks.com/https://www.betterworldbooks.com/https://www.hpb.com/https://www.ebay.com/https://www abebooks.comWriting notes by hand is proven to increase retention:https://youtu.be/zKi1KYhi0xghttps://youtu.be/ATmJb3bH2E0
>>533690449>edmuhcation is the dimydurn same ting as intuligence! - many triple digit iq people
are you a hairy palm gooner?
>>533691734Some books & videos on learning & studying:Uncommon Sense Teaching by Barbara OakleyHow We Learn by Stanislas Dehaenehttps://archive.org/details/stanislas-dehaene-how-we-learn-the-new-science-of-education-and-the-brain-penguin-2020Outsmart Yourself by Peter Vishton https://archive.org/details/OutsmartYourselfBrain-basedStrategiesToABetterYouA Mind For Numbers by Barbara Oakley https://archive.org/details/a-mind-for-numbers-how-to-excel-at-math-and-science-barbara-oakleyAn Essay on the Psychology of Invention in the Mathematical Field by Jacques Hadamard https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.59603How to Take Smart Notes by Sönke Ahrenshttps://archive.org/details/how-to-take-smart-notes-sonke-ahrens-nigel-fyfeThe Memory Book by Harry Lorayne & Jerry Lucashttps://archive.org/details/june_20200501Précis Writing for American Schools by Samuel Thurberhttps://archive.org/details/prciswritingfora00thurhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curvehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetitionhttps://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6#B4-societieshttps://dictionary.apa.org/chunkinghttps://youtu.be/hydCdGLAh00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desirable_difficultyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercorrection_(psychology)https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5780548https://www.bcu.ac.uk/exams-and-revision/best-ways-to-revise/the-blurting-methodhttps://youtu.be/9qKDJDvczFUhttps://youtu.be/bNv8asxZc6Uhttps://youtu.be/m-8_PyCJ36Qhttps://youtu.be/HrVg76JAxNAhttps://youtu.be/3xFBkua-mnohttps://youtu.be/BG1tfC7tSYwhttps://youtu.be/o49C8jQIsvshttps://youtu.be/BpvEY-2dSdUhttps://youtu.be/w2uICmMcKxIhttps://www.zakvarty.com/blog/2022-10-07-rhetorical-precis/https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEe8GXNH09zkgH83tjuPzmB_HZe7Hdv39https://mathworld.wolfram.com/What your mindset should be:Homo Ludens by Johan Huizingahttps://archive.org/details/homo_ludens_johan_huizinga_routledge_1949_https://youtu.be/JxNGCrMuiTc
Most of my recommendations in this thread are for adult autodidacts who want to discover what they were cheated out of by our modern school system; and since most of this material will probably be too advanced for young children, I'll use this comment to post a few links for those anons who are interested in homeschooling. Parents might want to look into the various homeschooling methods & curricula to see which ones suit them best, perhaps mixing and matching them to create an eclectic hybrid (e.g., the Charlotte Mason method with a rigorous classical curriculum).https://youtu.be/LKAkKvZIHz4https://youtu.be/26sw04WNW0Ehttps://youtu.be/tc1v6K_5x-8https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/susan-wise-bauer/pdf-epub-the-well-trained-mind-a-guide-to-classical-education-at-home-downloadhttps://www.memoriapress.comhttps://www.classicalwriting.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@SimplyCharlotteMasonhttps://www.amblesideonline.org/cm/indexhttps://triviumpursuit.com/the-trivium-and-charlotte-masonhttps://www.invictusclassicalpress.com/blog/can-you-do-classical-and-charlotte-mason-togethernbspConsider This: Charlotte Mason and the Classical Tradition by Karen Glasshttps://youtu.be/-Y5SRS-OPbAhttps://youtu.be/stZi7zjI194https://youtu.be/H8nKNqmpjrkhttps://youtu.be/p5qa_3T870Ahttps://youtu.be/sb4drjc_IGchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_mathhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paideia_ProposalThe most popular schoolbooks in 19th century America:https://archive.org/details/ERIC_ED623277https://archive.org/details/mcguffeysrhetori00mcguhttps://archive.org/details/raysnewpractical0000joseReading about the upbringing and education of a famous autodidact might provide some useful homeschooling ideas as well:https://archive.org/details/autobiobenfran00miffrichhttps://youtu.be/0aOrIZrY8XAA cautionary tale:https://archive.org/details/a592818300milluoftA STEM genius describes his childhood:https://youtu.be/iSVy1b-RyVM
>>533691684You need an authentic sense of Identity for any of this knowledge to be applicable. If you could point at one thing the West has sought to eradicate in it's pursuit of dominion it's been competing Identities. This because Identity determines Reality. Plato and Aristotle aren't dumb but they aren't compatible. They're a fundamental reason the West can't find equilibrium.
>>533690549me, i get all my ideas from mastabaitin
>>533691880When it comes to children's education, knowing what NOT to do is just as important as knowing what to do. It's very telling that Big Tech oligarchs and high-level spooks in unguarded moments admit that they don't own TV sets and keep their children far away from social media. They use these technologies on us, to dumb us down and manipulate us, but they themselves avoid this stuff like the poison it is.https://youtu.be/Dr8G6tt4520https://m.independent.ie/life/family/parenting/the-tech-moguls-who-invented-social-media-have-banned-their-children-from-it/37494367.htmlHere's how their mind-crippling tech works:https://archive.org/details/little-light-pseudology-the-art-of-lyinghttps://www.eruptingmind.com/effects-of-tv-on-brain/https://catholicinsight.com/2025/04/04/the-shallows-what-the-internet-is-doing-to-our-brains/https://youtu.be/TpiuZdilY78Most video games fall into this category of mind poison, too. A few of them, such as Tetris, might be all right.
>>533690449>confusing education with intelligence>classic mid-wit tellGrammar and rhetoric are lingustics tools, they aid communication with others, they're socialization tools, they're not tools of intelligence.In-fact, some of the brightest minds hardly communicate with others. Dirac famously rarely said anything to anyone and would take hours to respond.Logic is intuitive, it doesn't need to be studied unless you're a midwit who doesn't grasp how it works.Only a midwit from a midwit government brainwashed educational background would argue these things 'need' to be studied.An actual intellectual will tell you intellectuals intuitively learn simply because they're intellectuals. They don't have to formally study anything. You think Socrates was given a pile of University books to study before he learned how to debate?I predict you'll 'midwit seethe' rather than address the points, which just proves you didn't study either, contrary to your stated claims.
>>533690449The people I see with a life I want, >Money.>Girls.>Free time.You get my point, they all are dumb as fuck, those that are smart all have shit lives.They think things through and oftern don't bother getting into shit they can't afford or has risk or repercussions.The, Muh, low iq, just go for it and get away with way more than they are ever caught for.And they high iq guy you know that has it all, trust fund faggots that have shit given to them. They'd be good no matter what level of intelligence they have.
>>533690449A lot of logic and philosophy is arbitrary at best and blatantly wrong at worst. The only real philosophical stand point is nilhism.Logic is just pattern recognition. The patterns that are being recognized dont really matter.People hate this idea and love pointing to IQ tests.If you can study for an intelligence test. Then it isn't actually testing your intelligence. Its just testing how familiar you are with certain patterns.You should avoid learning for the sake of being learned. And instead learn about things grounded in reality that actually matter.
>I haven't studied one page of grammar, logic and rhetoric in my life, and here's my opinion about it: you don't need it.Thanks for proving my point, coombrains.
Completely Parsed ClassicsI recommend using google lens to explain the footnotes.https://archive.org/details/CommentariesOnTheGallicWarCaesarCompletelyParsedBookIhttps://archive.org/details/completely-parsed-cicero-oration-1https://archive.org/details/fully-parsed-horace-odes-translation-pub-cohttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822003632080https://archive.org/details/progressivegerma00adlehttps://archive.org/details/easyfrenchreadin00fish
>Thirty five years ago when I was at school in China, I learned Euclidean geometry (both plane and solid) from my excellent math teachers. I enjoyed spending hours solving and proving hard problems. I had great pleasure from working on these problems - although a child, I felt capable of deducing something new based on a few simple definitions, axioms and theorems. More importantly, it enriched my life by making me appreciate the elegance of math and physical sciences.>Fast forward to the time when my child started grade 8 in Canada, to my great disappointment, the geometry education in North America has deteriorated to merely some formulas for simple calculations and sporadic geometrical facts without justifications. At the same time, the math textbooks are stuffed with some strange "innovations": mindless tessellation, confusing figure rotation, invalid "proof" by measurement, etc.>After shaking my head too many times, I decided to take matters into my own hands and to introduce my child to the beauty of Euclidean geometry. After browsing a few geometry books, I fell in love with this book. It has contents and styles almost identical to what I learned before. I even found many problems I solved decades ago. (In his preface, Prof. Givental mentioned that Kiselev had a great influence on geometry education in Eastern Bloc and China.)taken from a review at:https://www.amazon.com/Kiselevs-Geometry-Book-I-Planimetry/dp/0977985202https://annas-archive.gl/md5/c523f037fce8a40b3a7bec1a4ec23671
>>533695011Nice. Thanks for these.
>>533690449
You're the faggot that defends the French language, though
>>533690449>redditor mistakes xirself for an intelligent person because xe asks for sourcesYou know what the fastest way to a world without any innovation, advancement, or new understanding is? Dismissing anything that doesn't have reference to some past work that garnered enough good goy points to be published by literally Ghislaine Maxwell's dad. Literally. Look that shit up.
>>533690532Yeah yeah we've all read The Prince.
>>533690816>semiotics Starts off really good then you want to neck yourself as you go deeper. Still, incredibly good stuff.
>>533690449The majority of all humans ever, for hundreds of thousands of years, were illiterate and smarter than youA 40,000BCE cave man wasnt a vaccinated idiot who wore a covid mask for 2 years like you and he didnt pay his taxes to pedophiles like you eitherand he was illiterateYou can read and write but you got a jew cum vaccine for a virus that didnt even exist because you are a genuine fucking moron and domesticated livestock
>>533695974I hate how the Internet just made everyone dunning-kruger so hard, the retards will never come down from their illusion of knowledge
https://archive.org/details/anabasisofxenoph00xenoiala
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044102864030https://annas-archive.gl/md5/4402dfb824853ccf06d456a09cc8f009https://archive.org/details/childsillustrate00keethttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/98ae65df102363389e715697b2832775https://archive.org/details/tudeprogressived00sterhttps://archive.org/details/longmansillustra00bidg
>>533692222the quads teh quads/thread
>>533690449Unironically yes. However, noone will take you seriously unless they are either just like you, or you know how to use grammar, logic, and fancy words to convince them. If you're a high functioning genius who doesn't do well with words, I'd really suggest either getting comfortable being the smartest man in the room no one listens to, or go make friends with trees and shit.
>>533690449>Said nobody with a triple-digit IQ ever.You have research supporting your claim there is not one single uneudcated person with high IQ in the world or are you double-digit IQ retard working on belief and posting offtopics on unrelated boards?
The art of logical thinking; or, The laws of reasoningby Atkinson, William Walkerhttps://archive.org/details/artoflogicalthin00atkiElementary lessons in logic : deductive and inductivebyJevons, William Stanleyhttps://archive.org/details/elementarylesson01jevo
https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watthttps://archive.org/details/logick_2507_librivox
>>533690449>I always place the most mongrelized and most retarded takes on my fake opposition >I then claim superiorityIt’s so obvious anons
>>533690449I have 154 and i don’t think with words.
>>533690449Why would studying any of that be even remotely helpful when literally everyone else is a brainlet?
>>533690631Dont want/need educated people, we(also you) use the German model of training people well enough to be kept in poverty indefinitely while being entirely too dumb to do anything about it.Nothing happens by accident anon
>>533690449>Grammar, logic and rhetoricDoesn’t exist in Chinese but they still raped your subhuman “civilization” with ease
>>533692222>Grammar and rhetoric are lingustics tools, they aid communication with others, they're socialization tools, they're not tools of intelligence.>In-fact, some of the brightest minds hardly communicate with others.No, they are also tools of thought.>Logic is intuitive, it doesn't need to be studied unless you're a midwit who doesn't grasp how it works.Wrong, and thanks for proving my point.
>>533698148>answering a clearly retarded memeflagyou need to learn time management also anonjust the work you do here by trying to get these people to learn how to boost their own thinking instead of keep learning facts is already big work because, at the end of the day, this website is 40% bots, 40% trolls, 10% humans and 10% cops.
>>533697563It is wild how well the system has produced people just smart enough to accomplish tasks while remaining too dumb to really question anything. They are also imbued with a nice bit of arrogance and groupthink tendencies from a young age.
>>533690449I dont think in grammar and punctuation. Thats only important for conveying the message
>>533690449And logic only works if you think about the variables! If someone asked you to solve car accidents and gave you nothing else to go on the most logical conclusion would be to get rid of cars. Thats not very "intelligent" but it is logical
>>533696823I said "think well". I said only double-digit-IQ people think intelligence is enough to think well. It's not. You also need to study grammar, logic and rhetoric. Being born Arnold Schwarzenegger is not enough to benchpress 100kg, you also need to eat food.
i haven't come across a truly smart person in my lifetimeevery one of these billionaires are conmen you have to go back to the 1960's for smarts in America
>>533698349No. It's important for reading and also for thinking. You're not going to get very far in your thinking without grammar.Jews know this, that's why they have chavrusas. Freemasons also study grammar, logic and rhetoric.>chavrusa-style learning puts each student in the position of analyzing the text, organizing their thoughts into logical arguments, explaining their reasoning to their partner, hearing out their partner's reasoning, and questioning and sharpening each other's ideas, often arriving at entirely new insights into the meaning of the text.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavrusahttps://cross-currents.com/2018/11/23/what-do-they-study-at-yeshivas/https://archive.ph/ZR5g0
what is evidence, what is proof, what is statistical inference? can you do meta-analysis of what can be considered evidence? how do you prove anything?look at all the dumbfuckery surrounding covid, ukraine, gaza, feminism, liberalism, immigration, etc. etc.what is truth, how do you prove your argument in a way that wins, without cherry picking?>pro-black pro-migrant guy says look at this successful group of blacks and peaceful migrants>anti-migrant guy says look at these crimes commmted by migrants!it's more complex than grammar, logic and rhetoric !!!!!!!!!!!!
>>533698302No shortage of hubris eitherPeople who cite the news one way or another drive me up the wall. People sometimes act like, because Reuters says so it neccesarily must be a truth ingrained in the fabric of the universe.Most people deserve a violent end to their existence, and most people will inevitably experience that too because of their actions
>>533699768most joyful dane
the final and most reliable rule is: might makes right. might determines authority. almost every faggot in their respective countries needs fiat and banking/credit accounts to pay for their gay little cost of living, and it's because those fiatbucks are backed by the authority of their gov.look at charlie kirk, he was decent at arguing, despite not even graduating college; that's what he was known for, and the end result was dying in front of a live crowd, with cameras rolling. basic logic and observation should have resulted in him saying "you know what, maybe it's a bad idea to have yet another event at some shitty venue with so many roof tops".logic, grammar, rhetoric can suck it. it's 2026 and our countries are filled with niggers, chinks, gooks, indians, mexicans, pakis, jews, etc. where did all this tech and progress lead us? to shithole status, unless you live in a rich area or remote forest. shallow thinking is the most cucked thing you can do. must go deeper, think several steps and years ahead. see connections, make good movse. like a chess grandmaster but in the game of life, which is even more complex than just moving pieces around a 64 square grid. every decision matters and determines future decisions.
>>533690449Wow you are still around. Arent you the guy who thinks elementary geometry is extremely high level math and the jews want to stop you from learning it? kek Sweden really should force people to stay in school
>>533698302i have a relative who makes over $100k, and she parrots liberal talking points from cnn and npr (the two most left-leaning news media in the US). she is the epitome of an NPC.
>>533699680Grammar, logic and rhetoric are the tools of thought, the foundation of a proper education, they're not the answer to all questions. But without them you can forget making sense of anything ever. First you learn how to think. Then you supply things to think about. You don't skip the first step. Arithmetic, geometry, music, astronomy, theology etc are studied after grammar, logic and rhetoric, not before, not without.
>>533690449Nobody needs that shit when they have science and technology, christchud.
>>533699904>>533699943Go back to jerking off
>>533690449Imagine being so low IQ that you are needing to be taught how to think.
>>533700243please reread your sentence before you post it. I'm not a big meanie about grammar, but this is just an afront.
>>533700405>Has to resort to whining about grammar. You lost humanities faggot.
>>533700151Well, actually geometry you can begin studying right away, you also learn logic when you study geometry. But anyway my point stands.
>>533700243Congratulations on being brainwashed by public school.
