If you bought just $5k in Apple stock in 2002 it would be worth over $5.5M now.What is your excuse? I wish I had this opportunity
>>533690622Okay then what stock should I buy right now to make an equivalent amount of money in 10 years?
>>533690671NVIDIA or Macron, I put my entire life savings of 35k in those and they’ve tripled in three years
>>533690671$GME
>>533690622You’d also have to not sell through every dip. And we are at iPhone 17 now. The world prior to iPhone 1 wasn’t the same.
I have 10 Oz of gold that was left to me. What do? Nothing else to my name and im sort of freaking out over not selling at 5k
>>533690671Eventually either AMD or Intel will fuck up and make a terrible chip that tanks their sales and gives the complete market dominance for a few years. Just wait until that happens and buy the one who fucked up. I got AMD at $2. This cycle repeats constantly.
>>533690622>There's no excuse to be poor if your over 40CC: Lambright
>>533690729>NVIDIABuying at the top
>>533690813dumbasshold onto it, dont value your gold in dollars. Value it in oz. Also never tell anyone irl you own bullion. Gold and silver is you shorting the entire (((global))) financial system. If you think they will stop printing money, go ahead and sell.
>>533690813Do you have the paper receipt part also? I've heard some people sell those.
>>533690622I was 15 in 2002
>>533691068Go look at every tech stock, They are almost always at a "top" all the time.There will be a new top next year, and you'll have missed it.And you wont buy again, because its the new "top" and youll miss out on the next years top too.
>>533690622>2002>What is your excuse?I was 10
>>533690622>What is your excuse?I'm 30
>>533690762Based.
In 2007, I bought 20k of Apple stock at $9 and I sold it at $22. Made a fortune.
>you could've bought this instead of shitcoins 5 years agoSuch is life...
>>533690622This is the same retarded thing that crypto morons say. As if they would have held bitcoin if they had any from when it was $1 and not sold when it was $100 or $1000 it's out of touch idiot thinking
>>533691847why didnt you tell me?
>if only you had bought apple before the iPod blew upYeah no shit? Apple was basically a joke until like 2005.
>why didn't you buy $5,000 of stock in high school?
>>533690783>The world prior to iPhone 1 wasn’t the sameAndroid already existed. And they had copy paste function way before Apple did
>>533690622Sweet! Tell me which stock to spend 5k on today that will be worth 5.5 mill in 20 years
>>533691970>until like 2005.Until 2011 when Instagram and Snapchat launched then all the world's women flocked to buy iphones to take food pics and Snapchat porn
>>533690813Hold unless you need the money to pay a lrge debt or need food or something, gold keeps pace with inflation so it's always good to hold until an emergency. If however your debts have interest greater than the value of your item selling the item and paying off the debt is a way to make more money because interest rates are always greater than inflation, but if you don't need to dell don't. Like if your bills are paid on time, you have a place to live and food is having more money going to improve your life? No. See?
>>533691746How much shares ?
He said over 40 you illiterate retards
>>533691746Nvm. 20kSo what did you do with those 300k 19 years later?
>>533690622Apple is a horrible enshittified authoritarian company that only thrives due to its corruption and predatory actions and so is every other company with those types of gains.
hipsterism saved apple. it became the gay/bisexual brand. the pink/purple hair brand. the social retardation brand. apple met the legendary individualist american consumer exactly where they existed
>>533692242Soon after Steve Jobs died Apple headquarters had LGBT flags flying during pride months and I think in 2012 I already saw Apple pride events
>>533690622>retarded op post>1pbti
>>533690847Maybe the cycle is all orchestrated. Maybe we live in a fake economy propped up by untruths. Ever think of that?
>>533692263>Apple pride eventsPride events with naked oily white men with muscle dancing together with Tim Cook in San Francisco gay alleys, those type of pride events
>>533690671No you didnt.
No excuse, you should've copied Buffet
>>533691912Just gab a horse racing form and point to winners while telling people they're stupid for not backing it.
>>533690622>be me>put 8k in apple in 2002>it goes up to 10k>sell>made 2k>feels good, man
>>533692315Maybe you're a gay retard, ever think of that? Just as likely to be true
>>533690847>Eventually either AMD or Intel will fuck up and make a terrible chip that tanks their sales and gives the complete market dominance for a few yearsIntel literally just did this these past few years, nigger.
>>533690622I didn't have 5k in 2002 and my parents wouldn't give me money.
>>533692731>While Intel retains the majority of total CPU shipments (approx. 56–63%), AMD has reached a record 36.4% in desktops and ~24–28% in servers, largely driven by demand for Zen-powered chips and server processor performance. Intel blundered a bit It wasn't nearly as bad as necessary for a full reversal, this happens when a totally new architecture flops not a fuckup of some refresh, nice try though retarded nigger midwit
>>533690622If i bought BTC in 2010/2011 i would have 100 Mln $
I spent hours reading on how to buy stocks and couldn't figure out how to actually buy them.So I assumed it was a grift.>just download our app bro>just subscribe to our online service broNo thanks fag, I smell a scam when I see one.
>>533692032Yikes. Tell me you are a clueless zoomzoom without telling me directly xD
>>533690622i wasnt born yet
>>533692360Buffet is the retard normie billionaire. Literal slow rolling the markets by cutting meals and penny pinching. >AH yes i have billions of dollars now that i am 98 years old.>I can finally afford that starbucks latte everyday!
>>533692991I had bitcoin back then and lost it
>>533692991True story i remember when bitcoin mooned from 10 dollars each to 100 each and i remember thinking it was already too expensive to buy. Because it was. 100 dollars back in 2010 was a lot of money. It's a perception thing as well. 100 bucks could get me a lot of ciggies and cheeseburgers. And i enjoyed that back then.
>>533693173>Already too expensiveThis was exactly what i was thinking when sitting there with a 13$ BTC figure where it recently climbed from 9$. Had 10k disposable but didn'tFuck meBut anyway, i wouldn't have hodld until it became 100k.Would have sold at 100$/1000$/10000$
>>533690622You did your math wrong. It would only be ~$2.5 million
>>533690671Chainlink
>>533693312Yeah would've probably sold at around 1k as well because of fear of it going down. I remember bitcoin hovering around 1k to 1.5k for a long time too and suddenly it exploded and by that time it was too late. Like this is the way investing works. When bitcoin was 10 dollars each i didn't have the money, when it was 100 each it was too much money, when it was 1k each it was already topped off, when it was 2k each it was too much money and when it hit 18k it was too late.
everyone thinks they would be the one to hodl for 2 decades to be a millionaire. lol, fuck no. any sane person would sell once they'd doubled their money. my brother owned 10 bitcoin. he sold it for 500 dollars, after buying it for 100. you hear those cases of the people with the massive mutli- hundred million dollar bitcoin wallets that they cant open? the only reason it's worth that much is BECAUSE they couldnt open it. if they had been able to, they would have sold. NO ONE holds like that. no one. the risk you take every day, if your coin or stock crumbles is always there, always just around the corner, and the sane people always sell it.
>>533690622Sorry OP, I went all in on K-mart.>>533690762My man.
>>533690622The older generations were bred to be mindless consumers. Many people 40+ were hit by the 2008 crisis losing their jobs and becoming underwater on their mortgages. Things really didn't improve for them until like 2014/15 and even then it was nothing before 2008. 2020 put even more pressure on everyone, but if you were smart you could job hop and make a lot more money. My point is gambling in the stock market wasn't seen the way it is now and the dire economic circumstances we find ourselves in is why you're pointing this out.
>>533693874The problem is our boomer parents were massive consumers and not investors. It makes no sense for millennials parents to piss away money in their old age instead of giving it to us. They call us entitled but didn't give us anything. Every other race and generation wants a better future for their kids but boomers didn't do it.
For the last 20 years the stock market has been like gambling. Nobody could have ever guessed that companies would get so big and profitable. OP is saying "why didn't you bet big on the Superbowl?"
>>533693685The issue is nobody knows the future. When you don't have disposable income you can't just gamble on the winning stocks. However you can hedge your bets which boomers don't understand.Like i knew about tesla, bitcoin, apple, amazon, nvidea because i grew up watching these companies market themselves and grow. It's obvious to me when i was 12 amazon would be big. But i didn't have the money and i didn't know how to get the money and i didn't know how to invest into the markets as a 12 year old. And my parents sure as hell wouldn't take financial advise from their kid. Had i had the coaching and money investing would've been a breeze but i didn't have any support or any help. This is why the rich get richer and poor stay poorer is because generations grown on wealth understand how to create it while those not remain poor forever.
>>533690622>poor if your over 40Good morning saar
>>533690622How would you have 5k to put into stock at 16 you fucking retard?
I wanted to buy $20k in Apple stock in 2001 but my dad threatened/talked me out of it
>>533690622>your
>>533694254They did the same thing with Bitcoin and tesla too. Boomers just gaslite you into remaining poor because they want you poor. >Hur dur buttcoin>hur dur electric cars will never replace the gasoline vehicle. >Hur dur apple is a communist companyFUCKING A
>>533691568I'll take the dot com bubble for $500 Alex.The people who make the real money trading stocks are the ones who have the insider trading info. Everything else comes down to luck.>t. $20k in shares.
i found like $1000 cash in 2001, and if i'd spent it all on silver like my grandpa told me to, it'd be worth like $14,000 todayi think about that sometimesbut yeah, i suppose if someone would have opened a brokerage account for me and bet it all on apple, i'd be worth a lot more
If in 2026 it has become gospel to invest any excess money you have into financial products for what is pitched as a guaranteed 8%+ year or year return with minimal research/effort required, to the point literally everyone from your retirement investment scheme provider to your grandma is doing it without thinking, is it a bubble?People crash out and call me stupid for even asking this, but what we see now is a very recent trend. Investment was once seen as a "Risk". There has been no real risk in retail investing in the last 20 years. Are we just expecting this growth to continue for another 20 years despite debt levels rising everywhere and not suppose to even consider questioning it? Have people forgotten that there were multiple times in the last 120 years where investment schemes that had no logical explanation fell apart almost overnight and people lost their entire fortunes? I guess we live in the future and this can't happen anymore or whatever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3AM00DH0Zo
>>533690622I turned 18 at the end of 2006, by the time i was legally allowed to leave child prison and make my own choices fiat currency was worthless and i was left to scrounge for scraps as a plebian. Everything since has been a nightmare.
>>533690622Yeah I remember at a first grade parent teacher meeting in '93 or '94 my teacher mentioned something about the Mac and apple investments to my dad. Unfortunately my dad had more important things on his mind, like taking out his Vietnam War trauma on me, and his grand fantasies about how he will mold me into a future NHLer or major league baseball player by beating me and screaming.I'm a 39 yo depressed brokie, and am here now with a bunch of teenage mutant ninja incels. All that sports faggotry nonsense, not a single bit about investing, computers, etc.He was obsessed with cursive, too. How much fucking time did I waste on that fucking cursive. Obsessed with writing neat. He would waste tome by having me rewrite everything if it wasn't neat. A teacher told us that writing neat doesnmt matter, and handwriting is obsolete, and that everything will be done on computers. My dad said that's bullshit.I inherited shit genetics, too. The one thing my dad had going for him is that he was tall and handsome, hence why he was able to get my short, plump you ger mother with the fat ass and big tits that he loves. Welp, guess what I inherited. I never really looked like a hot, young guy either. I looked like a typically zitfaced, shrimp greasy teenager till I was about 23. The first hair dissapeared before the last zit went away. I had maybe a very breif window at 23-24 where I was getting looks from teenage girls, and maybe 21-26 where I had a few lusty old hags. My sisters 9 year old friends crushed on me when I was 16. One freshmen girl likedme and asked me out my sophmore year, but I didn't have the confidence or the nerve. One 2nd grade girl liked me when I wwas in third grade. We were friends for a bit, but I don't remember what happened.Now I'm a 39 year old faggot on this shithole, living in this idiocracy. Gambling addiction, eating disorder, fucked eyesight, and just shit.
>>533694639Investments are no longer risks when you understand money just being thrown into these companies from oil sales.Oil=gas=cars=economy=markets
>>533695158People have literally always said this until it turns out it is a risk.
>>533690622that was a lot of money in 2002, zoomer.
>>533695095Boomers are from the old world and were stubborn as fuck. My father was the same who never got a smartphone, he hated the internet, he listened to CIA contrived rock n roll music, he worked a job he hated, gambled and ran up credit card debt on multiple cards. He liked sports, and beer and cigarettes and gambling. He wanted me to play sports but i knew it wouldn't help in any way and in fact it would only hurt me as contact sports are harmful to your body. Boomers were major dick punchers. They liked getting fucked up and fucking shit up and that's it.
>>533694433i had 14k i could spend on anything i wanted when i bought my first 1.5 bitcoins for only 120 dollars. and never bought any more.it could be much worse.
>>533695280It's the status quo isn't post WW2 when FDR created the petrol dollar. That's all you need to know but nobody told me. Had i known this when i was 12 i wouldn't forced myself to invest because it's logic.
>>533695342No it wasn't. Literally any faggot in the navy could have had more than that saved up in a year, and dumped it into apple. I could have invested in netflix in '06. I had a navy bud teach me aput tesla in 2015, also recommened netflix. Invested for a little bit, but withdrew to gamble. Pissed it right away, because I am genetic trash.If you're pushing 40 and are a brokie without offspring, you are trash.
>>533695462(forgot to mention i sold them for only 600 dollars a few years later)
>>533695342not that much dumbass
>>533695475most people weren't living on a goddamn boat with free meals.>>533695504spoiled brat or zoomer.
>>533695475My only regret is not investing into bitcoin and etherium. But here's the thing, in context back then i never had the disposable income. So it's not like i could say okay, "im going to place 10k into bitcoin and will have 100 million dollars in 20 years". It was more like "i have no future so why invest this money when i could spend it on ciggies and cheeseburgers". It's not our fault our fathers were massive degenerates wouldn't be at least stable in their own 40s. My father was drinking until his 60s!
>>533695580>most people weren't living on a goddamn boat with free meals.I am genetic trash with scoliosis, depression, multiple teenage suicide attempts, scared of girls, and the navy took me in '05. Made it through with an honorable. Just pick a good rate that you'd like and don't go to captain's mast like a faggot, and don't gamble.
I also want to add something you kids don't seem to understand. When you are young like around 19 you are angsty about having to work. So every dollar you get you want to spend it. Everyone is the same in this regard. You dread imagining working until you are old and gay to the ripe old age of 70 to collect your meager social security.So your mind and perception of reality is a fight or flight. You don't think, "Hmm i need to invest 5k in this gay ass apple company so i can be rich in 20 years'. No you are thinking,"i hate this life and i hate working and i just want to have fun with the money i made slaving away". Because you can't afford a life anyways working so why invest?Like the whole premise is put your life on hold and invest and you will be rich in your 40s. But here's the kicker you had to eat shit for 20 years working a shitty wagie job, raising kids who will be grown up by the time you cash out and a roastie wife who you will end up divorcing. See what i mean? Then you are in 40s with a whole bunch of money and a shitty past life so what does money even matter now anyway?
>>533690622Oh and another thing. Women hit the wall yes, but so don't men. The reason the father has been older since time immemorial is because people reproduced young, and young women prefer robust young men older than them. Women go through puberty first and pair bond with an older boy. Not an old man or middle aged fool. That's how it works in animals. Peacocks, Lions, etc. The young girls lust for older teenage men and 20 somethings. Once women get past 25ish they no longer lust for older guys over younger. Look up historical couples. It was typically the man in his 20's and woman in teens. Robust young men with even younger women. At my age, you might be finishing up with a final child or two.You'll never be more sexually attractive to women than when you are a robust young man and the younger girls like you. I wish I had said yes to that freshmen girl. I wish I had pursued 2nd grader Samantha who looked at me like I was fucking Elvis in 3rd grade. Shit I should have pursued my little sister's black friend who crushed on me and thought I looked like Slim Shady at 16. The vast majority of good women are gone by 25, but really 21. My dad was a tall hunk when he was 23. Rode a Harley. Had a pretty 19 y/o Spanish gf named Maria he would always talk about. Should have stuck with her, but instead he waited till his 30's like a stupid faggot and got stuck with my lousy, boring white mother.Oh, you think women my age are walled? They are. But guess what sucker. There are a million hungry teenage incels that would love to fuck her. No shortage of desperate young men. She could wake up tommorow and say, "I want to get trained today, and get trained by a bunch of football players" and could if she wanted to.Unless you are either rich or have top tier, elite genetics like Teddy Ballgame, you aren't pulling prime pussy at this age. You'll be lucky if even a walled slag is interested. Your best bet at this age is try and be a boy toy for a post menopauser.
>>533690622I mostly spent it on drugs and sluts, the rest I wasted
>>533696025I agree, it's not as fun or exciting having money in your 30s or 40s as it is being broke and spending all your money in your 20s traveling and fucking bitches. A bald 40 year old trying to "be cool" and hit on 20 year old girls is just embarrassing. Even if they do have success with girls half their age she's only going to be into your wallet and not you and you won't be as healthy energetic and adventurous as you were in your 20s to even be able to have the same kind of fun. Plus by the time you're 40 you're not as social because you've probably outgrown all your childhood friends and have a divorce or two under your belt making you jaded and turning people off. This is assuming you even are a successful man by the time you're 40 which most people aren't so life is even more over for the average person. You get one good decade in your life and the rest of your life is just trying to forget how much worse life is than your peak
>>533690622. . . /biz/, motherfuckerThis board is /b/ but garbage.
>>533694639>Investment was once seen as a "Risk".Yeah, because we had stable currencies that held their value, so you were deviating from the safe choice (save money) to the unsafe choice (invest and maybe make more, maybe make less). Now, holding cash is the unsafe choice because the government is constantly diluting it with increased supply, and markets have become more safe because everyone's been scared into putting their money in the stock market to escape inflation because at least if you have a diversified fund, it'll overall stay steady even if individual stocks dip sometimes.And this is by design. Economists and government officials will flat out tell you that part of the reason they deliberately target a positive inflation rate is because they don't want people saving cash. They frame it as saving cash being unproductive, but it's really just that they want wealth tied up in mass ownership via stocks rather than being spent to do things like start a small business.
>>533694169>Had i had the coaching and money investing would've been a breeze but i didn't have any support or any help. This is why the rich get richer and poor stay poorer is because generations grown on wealth understand how to create it while those not remain poor forever.
>OP
>>533694006They gave you a way higher standard of living growing up than any other generation in history you ingrates.
>>533690622Anyone who was old enough to be investing in 2002, likely wasn't computer savy and didn't use internet.
>>533697012No they didn't. Their parents gave them a higher standard of living growing up than any other generation in history. And they, being ingrates, took that away from us.
>>533696941And look at all of the homos that take the bait.
And if you boughted $100 worth of bitcoin in 2011 you'd be a billionaire.
>>533696571To add on>peak muscle mass: 20's.>peak facial attraction to women: 20's>peak load shoot distance: 20's (I started losing distance after mid 20's)>peak dick size: late teens early 20's (it doesn't get bigger or smaller)>peak load size: around late 20's I think. Haven't noticed much of a dropoff here desu.>peak height: late teens/early 20's>peak refractory: teens>peak sperm count: 20's>peak sperm quality: 20's (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)>peak age for providing: Teens. Yes, because you have longer to live. As long as you are strong enough to defend offspring, the younger the better.>peak confidence: 20's>peak energy: teens and 20'sLiterally nothing inproves past your twenties except your wallet if that (not for me). I have seen sexually attractive men 35 and older that have pulled younger based on looks and charisma, but they are attractive in spite of being older, not because of it. Think of it like a golfer winning the Open in his 40's. It's not because he's in his 40's, it's in spite of it.Young women are the trophy, and it follows sports. 20 something men dominate. Teens are pre peak, but can compete if they are good. 30 somethings can hang around if they maintain. 40 and up only the elites can hang in there. 50 plus is extremely rare. Best of the best.
>>533697012Negative. My parents got angry when i wanted to get rich and live an easy life. The whole boomer projection about how we are entitled is them projecting their lives onto us about the entitled life they lived while pretending they had it hard because they made bad mistakes.>>533697078Boomers were just jealous that we as a generation were trying to get rich and live an easy life. So they cut us off cold. My parents made life harder on purpose and it's so peculiar how they get offended or jealous when they think you are doing better than them.
>>533696813You are right, but I think history will repeat itself again and those who simply utilised traditional saving accounts will come out on top (as has been the case in the past). It also feels like people are far more exposed to investment markets (it is so easier to invest than it is to gamble these days), but I can't really comment on this as I was not investing prior to 2008.I believe at some point there will be a rush for liquidity (which I would argue has already started to begin) + a realisation of the dramatic over-valuation of investment products (where is 8%+ growth actually coming from in real terms? It is all speculative).
>>533690671JEPI so you can keep your money in a way that won't devalue and can ride dividends until semiconductors crash again, then transfer to SOXL and ride that train for a nice 90% gain and then just repeat the process
>>533690622My little sister's kind of a dope, too. Fucked it up early with a good guy, but she found a real catch for a fiance in her early 30's. He's around 40, very handsome, charismatic, decent money, Spanish guy. Comes from a good family. Not genetic trash like me. My sister wants me to meet him, but I want to lose weight first because I don't want him to think "this fat faggot is what my sons will look like" and fuck it up for her.
>>533697297I realize you are very bearish but saving accounts don't even pay decent interest anymore. I used to have one back in 2008 and i would place my wages into there when available. I would like 1.5% interest. Had i placed my money into stocks i would have 10,000% interest.
>>533690622You'd just as easily have bought 5k of Blackberry stock and today it'd be worth... 5k
>>533690762Basado. Stay directly registered anons.
>>533697197>sports. 20 something men dominate.The top 3 scorers on team USA's men's basketball team in the olympics were Lebron James (39), Stephen Curry (36), Kevin Durant (35)Djokovic is 38 and is the best tennis player outside of Sinner/Alcaraz. Prior to Djokovic, Nadal and Federer dominated into their late 30s.Brady won MVP at 40 and a Super Bowl at 43. Aaron Rodgers won MVP at 37 and 38.Verlander won the Cy Young at 39.
>>533690671XRP
>>533690622>if you just got a small loan of a million dollars when you were 6 years old you would be rich by now
>>533697531No anon. Didn't you notice the colorful mackintosh apple in school? Obviously apple was the future.
I did not even exist in 2002 unc...
>>533697592You want to make that guy broke or something?
>>533696655>You get one good decade in your lifeNo, you get multiple if you don't have shit parents and aren't a genetic asswipe. This is how it works:>0-12: Don't have shit parents and army Vietnam moron father taking his trauma out on you. Grow, develop, enjoy halcyon childhood. These years can also be used to possibly find a quality woman to pair bond with for life and have your sons some day.>13-25: Peak period to get quality wife. >25-35: Peak breed period.>35-45: Peak raising children period. Enjoy you're children. Raise them proper.>45-55: Be a man for your son as he enters his teens, and help build him up to be a powerful, robust young man that can get a good young wife. Prepare to be a grandfather.55 and onward: Be a good grandfather for your paternal grandsons and continue your lineage. Age gracefully with your pairbonded wife that you have been with since your young days.80 to whenever: Die a happy old great grandfather with loving family.Or you can do it the fat, genetic trash way:0-12: Shit, abusive parents.13-25: Suck and are too scared to talk with girls. Be another incel cuck faggot.25-35: Assuming you didn't raise cane on your school as a teenager and are still alive/not in prison, make preparations to go to asia to get some gook mama san. Don't step on a lanine that your war criminal father laid.35 to whenever: Become jaded, old bastard that doesn't really want a family anyways. Highlight of life is having college girls rub their tits and ass on your face at the strip club. Lust/money transaction is all that you know.40 to whenever: Wait to fucking die, unloved, no descendents, probably early because you are an unhealthy, obese bald failure.
>>533690622nah mang, apple was this weird arsed company that brought out their weird arsed computer. then they made those bright coloured weird arsed screen and computers in one. No one wanted to invest in their rubbish. they nearly went bankrupt. they did get some traction with the ipod, granted, but no one saw the iphone coming. every thought it was more weird arsed apple shit, then NEK MINNIT
>>533690622Maybe not everyone have access to stock MarketMaybe not everyone se money as main life goal!Maybe not everyone can be called parrasite!Maybe nothing what is really important can by achieved by money......Should I continue?
>>533697580Yeah I was going to actually mention Brady, as he was my hero since my high school days who I completely failed to live up to in even the remotest way. But those guys are all elite, though. They were great in their 20's and teens. For average players, 30's is when they begin to become washed.The guys in their later 30's and 40's sexually attracting 20 something women were the same guys who were sexually attracting 20 something women when they were 15, while the rest of us were awkward, greasy little creeps stroking our own dicks. Now they get sexual access of beautiful young women at a later age, while we genetic trash aged horribly and stroke our dicks and go to strip clubs and whorehouses and pay for sex with young women.Elite men can actually improve a bit into their 30's as their charisma reaches new heights. I've seen it. But these are the Tom Brady's of attracting women.This top tier 40 year old Spanish (actually Portoguese) guy that attracted my sister and is marrying her I'm sure was an absolute Romeo in his teens and 20's.When I finally meet him, it will be like the most pathetic, fat, balding fanboy meeting Ronaldo.
