I hope stop killing games fails
>>533702640i dont think anyone who isnt a spastic gives a shit
Pirate Software is a gay furry whose own father hates him
>>533702640Niggersneed
I think this whole discussion is off the mark.The fight should be about how licenses work. Basically, once a license has been sold, no one should have the right to revoke it.Once a game has been sold, platforms like Steam, Nintendo, etc., should no longer have any authority over the license they sold, which now belongs permanently to the new owner.
>>533703410fuck you, nigger. whatever i want, i own in perpetuity
>>533702640Ok israeli
do ecelebs really get so triggered they fling shit herelol, lmaokill yourself MALDAVIUS FIGTREE
>>533703539It belongs to the people¡
>>533702985is there any other kind of furry
>>533703410>The fight should be about how licenses work. Basically, once a license has been sold, no one should have the right to revoke it.But this doesn't explicitly address the scenario that kicked off the movement; a scenario where a company launches a title for sale and abruptly ends service a month later and players can no longer play the game they paid for. All Ross is asking for is for developers to either give players the tools to be able to continue playing the game THEY PAID FOR after the game's official service sunsets or make sure these online games have an explicit date on when players can no longer be able to play the game they purchased PRIOR to the start of the games' sales. Going after licenses would give developers leeway to say "yes you have your license but I'm sorry I can't continue to host these servers up nor am I providing tools for you to host your own servers"
>>533702640i think its funny how he puts on a fake deep voice
>>533702640Lol he fucked himself over way before killing games. Imagine being soo cringe your own guild kicks you out.
>>533703410>Once a game has been sold, platforms like Steam, Nintendo, etc., should no longer have any authority over the license they sold, which now belongs permanently to the new owner.Which is why no way in hell Take-Two and Ubisoft would ever agree to it.
>literally "leave the multi-billion dollar company alone" guyhow can anyone unironically support that fag?
>>533703410His real sin was to elevate his basic sanity checks on SKG and presenting them as meaningful critique. It's ironic he would've been fine if he just rolled with the critique and tried to de-escalate in the WoW debrief.Ross Scott's sin was to frame the basic sanity checks as an important point of contention instead of engaging with them. I found how he handled the situation in poor taste, too.
>>533702640There's nothing made in the last 20 years worth of pirating
>>533703058NIGGERSNEEDS RISE UP
>>533702640white people are so fucking cringe. imagine begging politicians to punish companies making toys
Stop killing gamesStart killing jews
>>533702692Someone ultimately taking away something you paid for only matters to "spastics?"Post your nose or IQ.
>>533706940I understand them white kids are very easy to impress and are as naive and frugal as the legends sayThey play a violent videogame and shoot up school, they watch a movie and do satanic rituals turn to paganism and drugsHell you show them Hitler and follow him for life, sounds like a parents nightmare
The main issue is how the games are hosted.In theory, p2p was a functional way to prevent the companies from essentially "killing the game" but p2p fucking sucks.The big issue is how can you force the companies to host games at a potential loss? While they are definitely greedy, how can it be accomplished without doing it at gunpoint, so to speak?
>>533707234>They play a violent videogame and shoot up school, they watch a movie and do satanic rituals turn to paganism and drugs>>Hell you show them Hitler and follow him for life, sounds like a parents nightmareLOL
>>533707106>Someone ultimately taking away something you paid for only matters to "spastics?"Yes.>Post your nose or IQ.No.
>>533702640the second he was exposed as a furry I started ignoring that guy.i wasn’t surprised by anything that happened after that fact.what sucks is that there’s a lot of good programming streamers that are completely ignored because people liked that long haired freak for some reason.
>Crew 2 updated for offline play SKG won
>>533705404Hear hear
>>533707460is he a furfag furry or a hmofa furryBIG difference
>>533706683>Ross Scott's sinRoss Scott's only sin is taking forever and a day to release Freeman's Mind episodes. Valve is going to release HL3 before he catches up, at this rate.
>>533706940>>533707234So what you sain' is we need to bix nood, muhfugga?
>>533705325It belongs to the customer
What if I'm dead, who is responsible for keeping my server running? My wife? She doesn't know anything about computers.
>>533707794>What if I'm dead, who is responsible for keeping my server running?Who are you and why should we care?
>>533706138When jews say>goyim are cattleIt's because they're talking about people like this who were successfully brainwashed by them into giving them money for something that they (the jews) will eventually take away from them.
>>533706940>the toy allegedly cost hundreds of millions of dollars (laundering scheme most likely) and is only available for 3 weeks (Concord)yeah this shit can burn. those people need to go to jail. yes.
>>533707794Provide local server software when you are done profiting. Fucking moron
>>533705950Consent isn't required against state's violence.
>>533702640>calls himself pirate software>doesn't actually support pirating software???
>>533708025cool it with the antisemitism !
>>533705629Second puberty bros...
Imagine using a voice changer to deepen your voice like a bitch ass narcissist.
>>533707534gfur furfag furry
>>533702640Gaymers when the game they paid $5 for a decade ago gets removed
>>533702640Liberals hate freedom and want companies to be communist slaves for them. They hate the idea that a company dare make money on their product. Pirate software is an old established veteran who knows exactly what he is talking about. But the liberals hate that. They hate whenever someone says no to their commie masters and do nothing but try to hurt hard working businesses and business leaders. The liberals deserve the rope for many things but this is also one of them.
>>533708499>>533708568>>533708599So wait, the guy simping for the jews to steal your money is a gay furfag that has to use a voice changer like a tranny?
>>533708709reality be like that
>>533702640A homosex glownigger?
>>533702640>plays live service games >wants them to last foreverlmaoFactorio doesnt have this problem
>>533708709More or less yes. He unironically claims his deep voice is real because he went through a second puberty at one point.Even his own dad doesn't like him, and even called him during one of his streams to tell him "You didn't call me on my birthday" to which the fag hung up on him and went "lol well THAT just happened."His claim to fame was working for Blizzard but apparently all he really did was fetch coffee and send e-mails, and only got the job because his dad was OG Blizzard crew and the name was enough to get his foot in the door.
>>533705558> Going after licenses would give developers leeway to say "yes you have your license but I'm sorry I can't continue to host these servers up nor am I providing tools for you to host your own servers"What's unreasonable about that?What sort of commie bullshit are you pushing?
>>533709921>What's unreasonable about that?Nothing, nobody says the developer has to host the server. These niggers should be providing the software they use to host servers so that you can do so. Quite literally only communists want to take your money for what you paid for and then take away what you paid for>but muh capitalismSomehow muh capitalism is occupied by communist jews, hmmm.
>>533707259It obviously can't so this whole discussion is retarded and either needs to be reframed or chucked in the garbage. Gamers are no justification for communism.
>>533710017>Gamers are no justification for communism.You sound like a tranny.
>>533710013> These niggers should be providing the software they use to host servers so that you can do so. What drugs are you smoking where you think anyone should provide you anything. Definition of communistic. > Quite literally only communists want to take your money for what you paid for and then take away what you paid forNo, that's just called bad business. You bought nothing in the first place. Communism is demanding something for free from someone else.
>>533710140Yep, I knew you were a fucking tranny. Kill yourself jew.
>>533710066Says the communist. You're far more likely to be an axe wound haver
mana gem
>>533710176"Wahh I lost argument so now my mind is on shemales and murder" Yeah you're definitely projecting.
>>533702640
>>533707106Name 5 games worth playing these days apart from cs2 and even thats dog shit half the time because of shit skins. Video games suck balls these days.
>>533708117How can I do that when I'm dead?
>>533710203>>533710252>No uShut the fuck up tranny. Only trannies and communists (aka jews) behave in this abhorrent behavior. An honest transaction where a man pays for something and then another man provides something in return has been practiced for thousands of years before you jewish trannies started REEing about how you can't make more money this way. Kill yourself.
>>533707895>Who are you and why should we care?The law should only apply to games you care about?
>Rent a car>Have to give the car back>This concept single-handedly breaks the mind of the average Gamer
>>533702640If this ugly faggot lelouches and tries to claim credit for SKG I'll deep fry my copy of Titanfall 1 and post it on /v/.
>>533707780Customers are people
>>533709921>What's unreasonable about that?How does it prevent the scenario of a company launching a title for sale and abruptly ending service a month later and players can no longer play the game they paid for?
>>533710317Who said I believe in anything? I don't believe you're entitled to anything. Silly trans projector.
>>533710526Nobody cares what you believe in tranny. You would scam your own mother if given the chance and you probably already did. Kill yourself like the rest of your faggot friends.
>>533710510It doesn't. You're just adding another untenable situation as a "solution".
>>533710580You have mental health issues. You're a mentally sick individual. Ask for help
>>533710346If I was renting, then why did it say "Buy" instead of "Lease" on the store page?
>>533710675Because the term "Buy" sounds a lot more enticing to the average customer.
>>533710346I don't see the word "rent" when I click on "purchase game" on any platform.
>>533710732That's because they inform you of the terms of the transaction in the Terms and Services clause, which you signed before renting the product.
>>533710712Then you should sue them for fraud.
You will own nothing and you will like it
>>533710732The analogy is dumb. You have everything you ever paid for. You didn't buy a server. Be careful what you invest money into
>>533710814Nope. You know very well, when you sign a ToS for something, you are agreeing to those terms. This isn't new information, you aren't being coerced or tricked.>>533710840>You have everything you ever paid for.No you don't. Have you never rented a car? Or a video game? Is 4chan really full of kids who never went to Blockbuster?
>>533710712>lying to your customers and then rugpulling then because you couldn't take the hour to put an offline mode>inb4 muh 40 page TOS designed to be as jewish as possible stated with that the game was license only on page 23 section 34Yeah I don't think that should be allowed.
>>533710813Jewish legal documents should have no bearing on the legality of a sale. If something is illegal, your signature on that document is voided. A sale where you are told that you are buying a product, only for a Terms and Clauses to clarify that it's not buying but leasing, while the store page has a clear button labeled as "buy" is the most Jewish behaviour i can think of.
>>533710894The law of a nation takes precedence over a Jewish companies ToS, just to be clear. Poorly worded or unclear legal documents can be contested. It's a huge problem in the USA since ZOG controls their judiciary and they constantly make anti-consumer rulings.
>>533710994>Jewish legal documents should have no bearing on the legality of a sale.And yet they do. Tough titty.>If something is illegal, your signature on that document is voided.Renting a video game is illegal?>A sale where you are told that you are buying a product, only for a Terms and Clauses to clarify that it's not buying but leasing, while the store page has a clear button labeled as "buy" is the most Jewish behaviour i can think of.You may have had a point in, say, 2014 when companies were first flexing their ability to test this, but you've literally had a decade to understand that this is how this works.I think that gamers and gaming companies are a match made in heaven. I have way more sympathies to the companies just trying to make a product over the entitled, scum-sucking subhumans who believe they are entitled to everything for free.But...you know...that's just me.
>>533710526This shill faggot is 10+% of all posts ITT stop giving (You)s to such an obvious troll you dumb fucks
>>533711153And people now are trying to rectify that by changing the law. Just how Jewish gaming companies can lobby governments for anti-consumer laws, so too can citizens demand legal changes that are pro-consumer. If your point is that the law is like it is today, then it can be changed for the better.
>>533711385Cool. So why should anybody even bother making online video games if it's going to be a guaranteed financial loss? Good job, you just killed an entire market, and now nobody will make those kinds of games again.
>>533710670>>533711316>You have mental health issuesTranny continues to scream NO U when someone wants the fucking thing they paid for. Constantly demonstrating that you're deserving of the eternal damnation that is destined for you.
>>533702640Once internet falls apart, video games won't be worth much.Let them enjoy their little control freak fantasy where they tell entire world what to buy and for how much.
>>533711520Let's revoke all consumer protection laws then , we don't want the poor megacorporations to be sad and not make record profits anymore. People made successful games before this ToS exploit bullshit and those games were profitable, changing the law to protect the consumer is a good thing. Only corpo shills disagree.
>>533712037I'm going to ask the question again: why should any company make an online video game if it's going to be a guaranteed financial loss?
>>533702640You fucking niggers are replying to a bot ragebait thread created by a fucking memeflag. jannies tongue my anus die mods you kid fucking trannies also SAGE
>>533709921Because no other product works like that. Why don't you buy a license for a car and then have that car bricked in a month when the manufacturer goes under.
>>533712142Why is it going to be a guaranteed financial loss? Because the devs have to release tools for it at end of life?
>>533712142Because it's not going to be a guaranteed financial loss. This proposed law only asks that companies do the bare minimum in allowing players to continue using their product after the companies ceases all support for the game. And not by forcing the company to host the servers. For example there are tons of private WoW servers. If Blizzard decides to pull the plug on WoW tomorrow, those servers will remain for people that want to play the game. All people want is for a company to give the tools for people to make their own servers after it stopped support and after official servers stop. This won't affect any sales or profits since it's done at the very end of the games life cycle.
>>533711520If they can't make an offline mode, then they shouldn't be making games.
>>533710509That's anti-Semitic>>533710712So, basically a scam?
>>533712256Based
I hope it SKG succeeds, it's not hard to make games work offline, or be able to host your own servers (like almost every multiplayer game from 20 years ago). >But people won't buy the new slop if they can just play old games!Good
>Destroy all game development and scare companies into doing anything just so you and some random guy can play a dead game together for 30 minutes tops in the year 2056
>>533712605because the jew can't squeeze out every last penny from your corpse.
>>533712609They never address this because flat out it's true. Everytime you win this same argument they forget it next time, spouting the same recycled lies>muh forced upkeep>muh tos>muh license
>>533712303>Why don't you buy a license for a car and then have that car bricked in a month when the manufacturer goes under.Oh don't worry, that's coming far sooner then you think.
>>533713227>far soonerIt's practically here. That's why the jews in this thread are so desperate to damage control by calling anyone a communist who wants to own the shit they paid for.
>>533705558This pretty much. The pope is right.
>>533710299>Name 5 games worth playing these days apart from cs2>apart from cs2CounsterStrike hasn't been worth playing since the late 2000's you dumb faggot. CS2 is fucking garbage.
>>533702640Whole movement is retard or a plant by game industry.Not that i agree with pirate fag, nono, but even those stop killing games are retarded.Its not about companies shutting down server at all its about real time shitfucking the game you already have.They release a game and update it so much that its not even a product you bought in the first place. And they are fucking doing it to single player games.Like wtf, you push and update that completely wrecke single player game and geewhiz just at the time you are publishing a sequel?I still remember Borderlands 2, crazy good game. Good amount if players even almost decade after release, everything works fine, 95% on steam from hundreds of thousands of people.And fucking pitchfork out of the blue updates a game, look guys we are giving you free DLC to play, that tucking ruined balance and made game completely unplayable. Nobody asked for it it was just shoved to you.Nobody got jail time, nobody got a refund for intentionaly ruined game
>>533713402starcraft 2Cnivilization 5They are billionsTerrariaShadow of Mordor
>>533708025Lmao did concord actually shut down after only 3 weeks?
>>5337135552 weeks lmao
>>533711153ToS in games is not legal document
>>533713081>eventually I began to hate them
>>533707725White kids need better role models
>>533714137All humans are garbage
>>533710585>You're just adding another untenable situation as a "solution".how so?
>>533710299I watched a tldr video on the SKG situationApparently one of the reasons why games are shit nowadays filled with battle passes and dlcs is exactly because companies have 0 liability on games floppingThey can just "kill" a game for not being the next fortshite and start anewThey can just start another slopgame because average NPCs will eat any shit they get thrown atIf there were laws that required a game to announce the time it will be available on purchase or give permanent access then people wouldn't buy slop games so much anymore/keep playing older, better games and the companies would actually have to put some effort and resources in them for the longevity and take the risk if game is good for average player or not.It costs less shekels to delete a game and start another slop rather than create an actually good game for a longer period of timeThats the jest i got from itBasically why the games are shit is because of the usual suspects
>>533714277See that's being a bad role modelNot even expecting good things from yourself like a compliment or a good advice
>>533710937> you couldn't take the hour to put an offline mode> Just add offline mode> Just add another gear to your car> Just add another room to your houseHoly shit you are truly the most mid-witted motherfucker ever. You have no idea what you're talking about, how games work or what asking for "adding offline mode" even means. YOU and everyone like you, are literally laughed at as a fucking joke by EVERY dev team that makes online games. You're basically requesting that they develop a completely different new game when you say "add an offline mode". "Offline mode" takes an order of magnitude more development time and resources than another fucking brain-dead deathmatch level.
>>533714863Does this nigger think that the server code running in house can't just be uploaded to github? lmao laugh at this dumb nigger.
>>533710732This is literally what it says when you rent games on Steam.VaIve fans has been defending this shit since ages
>>533714934>Just upload your proprietary code which is the fruit of your multi-billion dollar investment to a public Git-hubAnd you're calling ME a nigger? Post your hand you uneducated brown piece of shit.
>>533710894Your analogy is nonsense
>>533702640It only effects shit games anyways.
>>533711316What weirdo I'm just a random person awake in the middle of the night if I'm dominating you then maybe stop being so submissive
>>533702640it's stupid on purpose controlled opposition anyways
>>533711664You didn't pay for dev tools or server software or server hosting to continue indefinitely. The fact you really think you bought anything at all is debatable when we're talking about 1s and 0s.
>>533712303> Why don't you buy a license for a car and then have that car bricked in a monthAnalogy doesn't fit. Car is a physical object they've have to break to stop it working.
>>533715144>Just upload your proprietary codeYeah nigger, or go to jail. Don't like it? Don't make video games LMAO.
>>533714403Don't ask a dumb question on purpose. Make your dumb point instead
Glowniggers are such a bunch of bitches. In few years from occupy wall street they turned this place into>You are brown>Brown-coded>Why do poor people hates AI>What's wrong with high fuel prices>IDF did nothing wrong>Muslims are terrorists>Having protection for your bought products is wrong>You are commieAnd they dont' stop ever.
>>533715326Oh shit the tranny is back with a vengeance! Maybe you shouldn't make video games if you don't want to follow the new laws being proposed tranny.
Who is this guy ? I used to see him sometimes in youtube shorts.
>>533715460New laws tend to be gayer than projecting that everyone else is a tranny. Less laws are better. Nobody forced you to buy 1s and 0s.
>>533705558Both are fair. The company delivers at least 10 years of support and then it becomes public license. Whoever can host.
>>533715144This was a staple feature 20 years ago. Can't accomplish it? Then you'll have to label your shit game with a death date so people don't get rugpulled into your scam.
>>533715526OY VEY what do you mean I cannot just take your money and not give you anything in return?! It's anuda holocaust!
>>533706940>It's a toy sarThinly veiled glownigger demoralization. I don't play video games because I run business but I absolutely hate that you prefer company's rights over consumer.>inb4 you are indianEveryone will see what you do glownigger faggot kike
>>533715627on a scale from 0 to white canadian, how much are you sick of pajeets jeet?
>>533715572Try talking like a normal human being for once in your life try hard.
>>533702640This guy worked at Blizzard, or so I've heard.
>>533715724>Try talking like a normal human beingTo do that I would need to be having a discussion with a fellow Human, not whatever plague bearing trash you are.
>>533715572Also try framing your argument properly. You are now claiming you got nothing in return. Original claim was you are entitled to server software and dev assistance to run own server. Make up your little mind about what you're saying
>>533715801Nah you're just not capable because you like roleplaying a Jew for some retarded zoomer reason. Absolute freak behavior. Just be normal for 2 minutes and talk like an adult if you can.
>>533715806>try framing your argument properlyYou first tranny.
>>533715871I did. I haven't changed my position. What's yours? Oh that's right commie can't remember
>>533715426I make MMOs. You have the client files but the game logic is on the server which you will never get unless someone leaks it (ala SWG). You can take the 100 man-years to re-code the server architecture and re-create all the content, which people have done (see above) but YOU personally will never do that because you have no skills. So go fuck yourself.
>>533715923Keep projecting you're actually trans cos only a trans freak gets offended at being labelled a commie
>>533715870>>533715923>Nah you're just not capableLMao. I'll give you 2 hours to find my post where I stated anyone is entitled to dev assistance to run our own servers tranny. >>533715925>but the game logic is on the serverOh no, the magical server that no consumer can own themselves and host on! As if private servers for MMOs haven't been in the hands of consumers for 30 years now! If you don't want to get your shit slapped when you rug pull your consumer base then don't make video games nigger. Simple as.
>>533715570>Everyone playing in a tiny postage-stamp window fully visible to everyone elsePeak content. Go hug a beanie baby grampa.
>>533716102>visible to everyone elseIt's coop you dumb faggot
>>533716182my balls were in a coop mission in your mom's throat last night
>>533716030Where's your game? Oh that's right, you don't have one because you're just an armchair faggot on 4-chan.
>>533706940I mean ... you're not wrong.
>>533716182I'm saying that Halo is gay and you're gay, to be clear.
>>533702640Stop Killing Games already made it to the EU parliament and had an extremely positive and supportive reception.Game copmpanies and the jews behind them will be regulated and games will never be able to be fully revoked/stolen once bought.Seethe rat. OOM bitch. Spam blink more.
>>533716030>rug pull your consumer base>you heckin HAVE to let me host the game because...because you j-just do, ok!?!!no. if i decide my game is over then it's over. you faggots aren't hosting shit. kys
>>533710140putting some server files on git takes less than a minute
>>533716234>>533716329>fail to address my argument >>533715570I accept your concessions, kikes.>>533716402Give me my money back then nigger. You don't get to nigger away with someone's money.>go back to /qa/
>game dies>People still want to play it>Have the tools already in place to play it by hosting servers locallyOnly the most Jewish "people" think this is a bad thing. And it's not like autists won't figure out how to do that anyway, they already did it with the Crew.
>>533716684>muh heckin argumentyou don't have one. if i make a game i get to decide how long it stays online, and you don't get the right to "host" it just because you say you do. back to r*ddit you go.
>>533716803>pirates your game and connects to cracked serverWhat now, rabbi?
Jewtube shills, I don't think even /k/ cares. There are always these threads on 4chan about Twitter, YouTube and I swear every single one is a paid plug, shills.
>>533716684>ArgumentArguments have claims, a premise, evidence with a warrant linking the claim to the evidence. A screenshot is not an argument but it could be evidence. But in this case, you just showed that when 30 years ago people could gather around the TV to play a mediocre FPS together.But people no longer "gather around the TV" so these games don't really get made any more. Everyone has their own screens, outside of like fighting games and shit like that.People don't play steam games on TVs though for the most part. So you didn't even post any evidence because people haven't played games that way for THIRTY FUCKING YEARS! The world has moved on unc.
>>533705558Developers and publishers need to be given an off-ramp if they cannot, or do not want to continue supporting any title they release.Mandating a Sunsetting Plan that would require devs and publishers to release source and server codes when they abandon a title would pretty much solve the entire problem.
>>533716940>you are jewish because you don't want to give me something for freeliterally 0 people are falling for this, moshe
>>533717681The important part to reiterate is that they don't need to release confidential proprietary tools to ensure players can still play the game after the game's development sunsets.
>>533707106Maybe dont give money to slop corporations producing slop games, brainlet bro?
>>533717848Of course. It could simply be a toolset to develop servers, and to continue updating and developing the games they let go.
>>533714660Fuck you, get hit by a bus
>>533716331Modern games are garbage anyway and should be banned. Maybe the eu should put a goon with a gun on the board of every major company and authorize him to start shooting people if the the room gets too jewish
>>533705404A gay furry who reviews cars for a living.
>>533705950This. Taketwo and Ubisoft are big gay and want to go bankrupt in spite of their glorified series that could be permanent staples for gamers. But they are too gay to let that happen
>>533717848wrong>>533717988>you heckin HAVE to give me the toolsets to host your game without your permissionno i don't, faggot. i decide if the game stays on or not since i made it. you didn't make shit you consoooming faggot
>>533702640I vored pirate software in an RP once.
>>533716182Co-op is only 2 players on the first and second Halo, fake fan.
>>533710314Not in EU, but if it were the law, you should have that software prepared ahead of time for compliance. If not, your wife gets fined/sued for noncompliance. This argument of, “think of the poor solo developers!”, is an absurdity to begin with as large corporations are more likely to have games reliant on centralized servers, and are the most tight-fisted with relinquishing control of software. Paradigm shifts happen, but corporations have used lobbying money to ensure they are always in their interest rather than the customers. They can fucking take the L.
>>533718273That would fix 90% of the world's problems, but don't expect the kiked union to do it.
>>533718414You can but you have to be upfront from the start before you take anyone's money.
>>533719032Upfront of WHEN you're shutting down servers.
>>533707259All they need is a consumer "dedicated server" that players can host. It doesn't need to be the same as live service, just something that works for the main game loops.
Consumer protection laws are antisemitic and I support them for that reason.
>>533702640It's funny how he was so against the movement, but didn't understand what it was about.
>>533702640So sick of seeing this ugly tranny's face, does he even still have an audience after he completely torched his reputation?
