HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>A Virginia circuit court judge on Wednesday struck down the state's voter-approved redistricting amendment in its entirety, ruling that the measure was unconstitutional from its inception and that every vote cast in Tuesday's special election — for or against — is legally void.https://meidasnews.com/news/virginia-judge-voids-redistricting-amendment-invalidates-all-votes-from-tuesdays-special-election
>>533718269november is gonna be such a fucking funny month. i'm planning on taking election day and the next wednesday off to watch
>>533718269How the hell can a single judge overturn the will of the people? What a disgusting country.
>>533718363All republics are held together by tradition and good intentions. We have neither.
>>533718502We're not a republic anymore. And "democracy" is an inherently corrupt system. We need a strongman.
>>533718363Dems sure loved it when California passed anti-immigrant Prop. 187 in 1994 and one Jimmy Carter-appointed judge (Mariana Pfaelzer) ruled against it and invalidated the whole referendum that passed with nearly 60% support.
>>533718269it'll go to the supreme court. the supreme court will deem it legal, just like they did when recucklicans redistricted texas (25A608 Abbott v. League of United Latin American Citizens). you lost, tranny.
>>533718269>w-w-w-watch when dems take back power>i-i-i-its over for you ch-ch-chudstime to farm some lib tears
>>533718704It's not going to federal court, this is a state court battle, and thus far all the state courts are ruling against Virginia Democrats. Even the State Supreme Court seemed inclined to ultimately rule against them while letting the measure move forward to a referendum vote.
but when judges overturn DRUMPF it's good
>>533718269The fair redistricting looks even more jerrymandered than before. Can't blame the judge.
>>533718363You have a child's understanding of what actually happened. What part of "void due to being unconstitutional" do you not understand?
>>533718269>uneducated facebook boomer tier morons celebrating over nothing as usual*yawn* ohhh... I'm just... so sleepy...like, cool, so the appeal case will go to the same fucking liberal-filled VA Supreme Court that allowed the election to occur in the first place by staying the original injunction. Wow, we totally won guys!
>>533718363If the will of the people is to kill every fucking nigger in the world, who are you to stop this democratic edict?You fucking idiot. The left thinks authority and power comes from the government, when the government's SINGLE PURPOSE is to defend the rights that every human (except shitskins fags and juden) is automatically granted by their mere existence.
>>533718799jfc it's always amazing to see the American education system at work, lmao.sense you clearly don't know, I'll tell you: each state has their own supreme court.
Legal scholars of /pol/Will higher level courts allow it or just make the same ruling as the circuit judge?
>>533719222you should take a nap buddy, you'll feel more rested and not be so angwy
>>533718363the same way that faggot judge in California overturned the voters' will and by doing so somehow managed to make fag marriage legal in all 50 states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8
>>533719935>faggot judge in California overturned the voters' willmany such cases!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_California_Proposition_187
>>533719403>jfc it's always amazing to see the American education system at work, lmao.I know, your reading comprehension is atrocious.
>>533718363>will of the people>51/49 vote>obama campaigned for it...Anyone suggesting this is fucking retarded. Admittedly, democrats DO a good job at these things, and campaigning and getting people out to vote. I would have serious questions as to how many republicans even knew the implications here.There's tons of people who mostly vote in major elections. They've got OBAMA .. and I heard the claim that 95% of the money involved in this is "anonymous". So you have democrats dumping BIG MONEY and having their top guy campaign to get people out to vote for this.And then with republicans, I doubt there was nearly the effort to get people to vote as democrats attempt to steal their seats. Also very interesting claim I heard yesterday about gerrymandering in general seems to be quite real...They create the districts in such a way that they "bleed into" dense population areas. By design... Because if they have 80% of the vote in that area, they're then able to take over other districts using the votes from an area in which there's a dense population and overflow of votes.I just looked at the texas map, and it really is like that... Many districts STRETCH INTO places like Houston, therefore allowing voters in houston to vote as though they were in districst that should be much further away from houston. It's fraud on a mass scale, and we should look at every state to see how bad this is.
>>533720248numerous states have zero republican representation, gerrymandering massively favors democrats nationwide
>>533718593>look at this thing that happened 32 years ago under a republican president
>>533718269Do nothingWinHe's a holy man
>>533719425It doesn't really matter, the case regarding the legality of the referendum is already before the Virginia Supreme Court and whatever they decide will be the final word on it.
>>533718269>Tazewell CountyNot gonna stand lol
>>533718946>trying to pretend that a leftist judge won’t abuse the definition of what is and isn’t constitutional.You “people” lie as easily as you breathe.
>>533720325>gerrymandering massively favors democrats nationwideThen why have Republicans been doing it for decades?
>>533718269>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAmigger cope thread
>>533720932both of them do it whenever they can, democrats have simply been more successful at it, chinkjeet.
>>533719425>Legal scholars of /pol/>Will higher level courts allow it or just make the same ruling as the circuit judge?Its not particularly clear. It will likely come down to the Virginia Supreme Court which is known to be fairly conservative, but im not an expert on the Virginia constitution. Supposedly during a Virginia special session only laws pertaining to the stated reason for the session (the budget in this case) can be put to referendum. If that is actually the case then VA Supreme Court will likely uphold the ruling and the re-districting would be illegal. Most states dont have this 'special session' rule, its really about Virginia state law here.The US Supreme Court is unlikely to take up this case based solely on timeline alone, but this SCOTUS has been pretty deferential when Election changes come from Legislatures by law or referendum.I would say that conservative judges like the one that struck this referendum down are generally not 'activist judges' that do retarded shit for political reasons. That is almost exclusively female/minority judges, that are literally making shit up, or rule against a law just because they can. This alone would lend credence to the idea that the referendum violated Virginia law. So if I had to bet I would bet that the new district map will NOT be implemented.
>>533721275>I would say that conservative judges like the one that struck this referendum down are generally not 'activist judges' that do retarded shit for political reasons.This, conservatives (tragically) are famous for simply laying down and taking it, unless the overreach is particularly egregious.
>>533719935>somehow managed to make fag marriage legal in all 50 statesAccording to US federal law if any state recognizes a marriage as legal, all states must recognize it as legal.This helps with divorce proceedings as well as general allowing travel across state lines without issue.
>>533719222Ironic, in a thread about Virginia, which was forced back into the Union at gun point.
>>533721275Thanks for educating me anon and explaining it so that even i understand
>>533718363Judiasm
>>533720538>that was in the past, c'mon man!Ramstein base?
>>533718269>Reasoning it's unconstitutional>Because a referendum is supposed to take two years and 90 daysThat sounds like Virginia's referendum laws exist specifically to hope people forget about why they wanted the referendum in the first place.
>>533718269The same judge who delayed the vote in the first place, twice, and got overturned by the state SC on appeal, twice...Wanna guess how this new appeal is gonna go? Lmao
>>533718269> a clear popular mandate expressed at the ballot box on Tuesday.Didn't they only win by a few percentage points? 51.5% vs 48.6%? Pretty ballsy calling that a mandate.
>rush through redistricting>make special election with as little info as possible to ensure 9-5 doesn't go vote>still barely pull aheadYeah no shit it was struck down
>DECLARES that HB 1384 violates the Submission Clause of Va. Const. art XII 1 because the ballot language proposed in 1384 submits to the voters a flagrantly misleading question to the voters, and because ballot language did not accurate describe the proposed amendment as it was passed by the General Assembly.The language on the ballot:>Question: Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections, while ensuring Virginia's standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census?Seems pretty fucking clear to me.
>>53371836349% of the state didn't want their votes to go down the toilet thanks to this 10-1 nonsense they were trying to pull.
>>533718269This same judge has tried to stop the vote twice and the state Supreme Court slapped him down both times, though it was more of a "We'll take a closer look if it actually gets passed" rather than outright approval.
>>533721867>restore "fairness">shifts into a projected 10 - 1Literally kill yourself
>>533721660>The law supports someone/something I don't like, and is therefore invalidLeftists actually believe this. It's why they'll crucify a White man for not tipping his waitress, but eternally excuse a nigger's felonies.
>>533721725Texas didn't even put it to a vote lol
>>533721929>They slapped him down!>o-ok actually they just told him to wait and see if the state was actually dumb enough to go through with it before making a ruling....Come on dude.
>>533718363>will of the peopleUh huh, and are these people in the room with you now anon?>majority rulesIn a democracy, but the US is not a democracy, in time maybe but not yet. You dialectic needs work.
>>533721410in the 1800s you could kill a nigger in one state, flee to another state and start over fresh with a clean slate. we look back fondly at that era as "the good ol' days".look at us now.
>>533722107What's your point?We're not talking about Texas, we're talking about Virginia. More to the point, why do you think putting it to a vote gives it inherent legitimacy?If me and the bois vote to gang rape your ass you going to submit to the "will of the people", prag?
>>533722088"Fairness" is when my side wins :^)
>>533720248>will of the people>51/49 voteGee, I wonder by what margin this guy won the presidency by...
>>533722295Yeah and how did that "mandate" work out for him?
>>533718583Moron alert
>>533718269Post the reddit salt. They were so happy yesterday that a whole team of them came over here to troll.
>>533718269It'll be appealed up to the state supreme court. Big nothingburger until it gets there.
>>533722251"Fairness" is treating state elections to the national level and saying "well Ohio did this, so Virginia must do that to 'balance out' their change." It's an effort to disenfranchise people from one state because others from another state are disenfranchised and saying it's fair because two wrongs make a right.I think it's a bad precedent that any state or political party can just redraw district lines 7 months before an election. Yes, I know other states are actively doing it too, but anything that pushes back on this is inherently good. I'd rather see it go to SCOTUS and them knock it down nation-wide.
>>533722247Are you playing dumb or actually dumb?Texas redistricting on Trump's orders is what kicked off this gerrymandering arms race.It just make it more pathetic when cons turn around and whine about Dems beating them at their own game while actually putting it to a vote.>why do you think putting it to a vote gives it inherent legitimacy?You were the one whining about having a "mandate". A close vote is far more of a mandate than NO vote.>Since when does voting give legitimacy?!?Since america, you pathetic thirdie hiding behind MY flag.
>>533722908>gerrymandering didn't exist until da ebul republicans started it!
The va supreme court won't uphold that, it's a nothing burger
>>533721867>Restore fairness>Fairness is redistricting districts that were created by neutral third parties and represents Va's voter by percent distribution.Clear language is "shall not be infringed". The referendums language is bad and illegal.
>>533718269That judge should be very careful with starting his car.
>>533723038Lmao, you need to flail at a straw man because you can't address the actual facts.Democrats have tried multiple times to end gerrymandering across the country and Republicans have unanimously regected it.Republicans WANT to be able to gerrymander, at least when they do it. They just hypocritically get mad when Democrats beat them at their own game.As long as Republicans demand to be free to gerrymander Democrats allowing them to one-sidedly do it for some moral grandstanding will just ensure Republicans will rig things to the maximum so that no one else, even some hypothetical third party, can win even with a huge majority.Unfortunately it seems the only way gerrymandering will end is if Democrats out-gerrymander Republicans till they get enough control to institute a national ban without Republican help.
>>533727256Democrats try to end it when they feel it would benefit them to end it. They engage in it vigorously when they feel it benefits them to engage in it. There's no morality behind it, it's opportunism. The state of gerrymandering across the country broadly benefits the democrats. Texas didn't start any gerrymandering arms race. Gerrymandering has been happening for decades with flareups of increased activity here and there. You're a dumb fag who thinks that because you just noticed something, it's new.
>>533723287D.C. Retrocession executive order>>533724887>>533724887>>533724887>>533724887 <---Go to thread to comment
>>533718583>we need a strongmanAlways has been. This faggy little feminine experiment has long since failed.
>>533718269why can't democrats just ignore the judge and call everybody a racist instead?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxZCfEjL7U
>>533720762No one said this. They do that constantly. They're just having a melty now that the other side is fighting backLet's shoot it out, faggots
>>533728277shocked it was a square (cube)
>>533722898I wish they'd just gas all the democrats
>>533718269>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAbased
>>533727256They want to end it after they rigged it. There are states that 50% percent republican but have no voice because of gerrymandering. How do you feel about that?
>>533728485Is this the rock that stands on seven hills?
>>533718363>Vote yes: to restore fairness>Vote no: if you're a big meanieliterally what was on the ballotfuck off retard
>>533721867>Seems pretty fucking clear to me.holy retard
>>533727611>Democrats try to end it when they feel it would benefit them to end it. Bullshit, they have tried multiple times to institute a NATIONAL ban which Republicans have unanimously opposed.Unless your argument is that ending gerrymandering in general would benefit the Democrats then they're the only ones asking for a truly level playing field.As long as the Republicans block that though it'd be stupid to just let them one-sidedly gerrymander for some moral victory.>The state of gerrymandering across the country broadly benefits the democrats.Then why are they the ones pushing for a national ban while the Republicans are the one a blocking it?>>533729549Democrats have tried to ban gerrymandering nationally multiple times and Republicans always block it.As long as Republicans demand to be able to gerrymander it'd be stupidly to let them do it one-sidedly.
golly gee we sure wish the republicans didn't FORCE us to gerrymander :(
>>533730816Democrats support a national ban and level playing field.Republicans oppose it.If they wanna play that game they shouldn't whine when Democrats do it better.
>>533718269CAPCHA
>>533718269lol. Get fucked, commies.
>>533727256>They just hypocritically get mad when Democrats beat them at their own game.>Don't know the gerrymandering was named after a Democrat named gerryYes yes and historically Democrats were evil but then they said that theyre rubber and your glue and all of their historical sins stick to you. The Democrats a drink it up like the good little niggers they are.
>Wednesday's ruling was not Hurley's first attempt to stop the amendment. He issued similar rulings blocking the measure in January and again in February — and both times, the Virginia Supreme Court stepped in to allow the process to move forward while it considered the underlying legal questions.
>>533730698Obviously the argument is the Democrats of gerrymandered it the way they want and now they want to end gerrymandering so that no one can change it you fucking nigger.
the problem with gerry-mandering is that it frequently backfires. your party gets more seats temporarily, but then you lose the governors race, lose the presidents race, etc. it turns out, people don't like being blatantly disenfranchised, and they know when its happening. I think it should remain legal to gerry-mander. let whoever does it reap what they sow.
>>533718363They've been doing it against Trump and libtards never stopped to think what will happen if all the conservative judges retaliate.
>>533732428I know the origins of the name, that doesn't change the actual reality that only Dems support a national ban and Republicans opposed it. As long as that's the case of course Dems would be dumb to just let Republicans gerrymander one-sidedly.>>533732572>Obviously the argument is the Democrats of gerrymandered it the way they want and now they want to end gerrymandering so that no one can change it You absolute retard, do you think a national ban on gerrymandering means that districts, even gerrymandered ones, would be frozen in their current state and only new gerrymandered maps would be banned? And I suppose the gerrymandered ones would just have to change the law to never redistrict again(which wouldn't even work long-term because of shifts in populations)?When people, mainly Democrats, talk about a national ban on gerrymandering they mean redistricting being done by independent committees in a way to ensure all votes are equally weighted and banning maps that give any party an unfair advantage.You clearly don't even understand the topic.
>>533718269>circuit courthonestly irrelevant. all the other idiotic redistricting events had legal challenges as well. you guys are getting too penisy.
>>533733299It's the same judge who already ruled against the vote twice and got overrule don appeal twice.
You have to be dreaming if you think the VA Supreme Court isn’t going to overrule him
>>533727256>Democrats have tried multiple times to end gerrymandering across the countryare you talking about all the times where they want to redistrict based on some "bipartisan study" that was coincidentally 90% democrats and would greatly benefit democrats?
>>533718269The redistricting election is officialDeal with it
>>533733764>based on some "bipartisan study" that was coincidentally 90% democrats and would greatly benefit democratsCitation needed.Democrats have called for districts to be drawn by independent committees to be fair and to outlaw any map that benefits any party.
>>533718363I'm in VA and my will is to deport all leftists from my state and permanently ban them from returning.
>>533718363>Lawfare enjoyer not so happy after getting lawfared
>>533734200yeah and their definition of "fair" always comes down to giving nigger hives as much power as possible. the actually fair way to do it would be to feed the map to a computer program that works like a disc defragger and blocks areas together based on population density, but they wouldn't give niggers as much weight so they say it's "unfair."
>>533734519>Ban maps that favor ANY party>Yeah but black people still vote, I don't actually care about fairness!
>>533734724a fair system would put city people in disctricts with other city people and country people in districts with other country people. non of these """fair""" proposals can stick to this one simple principle because their idea of fairness is inflicting niggers on as much of the map as possible.
>>533735239look chud they called it the "end gerrymandering bill" so that means it was intrinsically good but the evil republicans stopped them!
>>533718363>51% vote to take away the voice of the other 49%>"Welp you guys it is the will of the people so it must happen"This is why we are a republic not a democracy. Democracy is nothing more than mob rule and the "will of the people" most of the time is retarded and self-destructive hence why there needs to be checks on it. Funny how when a liberal judge strikes down stuff conservatives want it is okay but when liberals have their stuff stuck down it is unfair and "against the will of the people".
>>533718269Corrupt leftists pedophiles on suicide watch.
>>533718269If I had my way, I would DEMAND the redistricting so that ALL of them are mandated to have both parties split down the middle, even if it means weird borders. This would be the opposite of gerrymandering, and would end one-party rule in each district.As much as I hate Democrats, having a one-party Republican rule could easily turn out just as bad, especially if given free reign and someone corrupt is elected.
