>homo erectus appx 2 million years ago>anatomically modern humans, homo sapiens appx 150000 years ago>the wheel invented appx 5500 years agois this supposed to be a joke?
You mean the round go?
>>533756767the timeline is fake. there's this dude who sent in various things he knew the dates of for carbon dating (or whatever), here's some examples:>a mummified seal known to have died in the 1970s - came back as 5,000 years old>a piece of a vase known to be from the 1600s>came back as 8000 years oldcant remember the rest
>>533757053This. The entire standard model of house of jewish cards. Literally just a grifting model for old nerdy bookjews
>>533756767>HOMO...>ERECTUSFUCKING KEK AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA NORMIES ACTUALLY FUCKING BELIEVE THIS SHIT
>>533757053Uniformitarianism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>533756767For the overwhelming part of history man was basically struggled to eat and drink on daily basis, women surviving child birth etc. Technology advancement has always been exponential growth
>>533756767Civilization started 6000y agoComputers invented 50y agoIs this some kind of a joke
>>533756767Mmmm and then the wheel wasn't used in sib-saharan africa until mid 19th century.
The wheel part isn't interesting everyone used them but without the axis it doesn't count, native American toys for example don't count. To make use of the wheel you need paved roads and a beast of burden.These are countries like say Japan who new about the wheel but it never took off until Europeans got their because they saw no need for it.
>>533757101>>533757164However old the wheel is that's exactly how old the human race is. it's the first thing that any man with a prefontal cortex would fashion
>>533757288show me where it says>And then God made Homo Erectus Dingdongus Massivecockus
>>533757214the level of technology today makes sense if humans with prefrontal cortex have existed for 6000 years. the hundreds of thousands and millions of years shit is the "joke" part
>>533756767everything we know about history and humanity's timeline is a lie. it's hidden purposely because to know the truth is to see just to watch extent our entire civilization is fake and contrived.
>>533757053Context matters with carbon dating. The calibration curve is different for aquatic vs terrestrial life.And how the fuck do you even carbon date a vase? Tl;dr: you were lied to about the limitations of carbon dating. Not even "innocent misunderstanding." These people are lying to you.
>>533756767The wheel by itself isn’t even impressiveTo make even a chariot you need precision metallurgy. If you only have a cirlcle on a stick, like a cartoon wheel, it wont handle wood on wood frictionThis is why most civilizations have invented toys with wheels but had to import cart and chariot technology through trade routesIt’s like thinking you only need a propeller to make a plane
>>533757388Not really, according to your own logic. They lived pretty much the same for 6000+ years and then in 100 years they went from riding horses to flying around in space.
>>533756767The Jews are hiding our ancient Aryan and Atlantean history.
>>533757388agreedand i understand all the explanations for why it took so long. low population density, preoccupation with constant hunting and foraging. but almost 300,000 years before we figured out how seeds work come the fuck on. 300,000 years until "hey guys this seed has a little plant sticking out of it, i think plants come from seeds, i think we could plant a bunch of seeds and come back later and have food" "shut the fuck up grogg thats retarded now come on lets go paint some deer on the walls of this cave for some reason"
There's a mine worker who found a electric motor buried in solid rock from over a hundred years ago.
>>533757053Waterlogged wood...
>>533757515no, my logic is that it would take appx 6000 years starting from zero to reach the level of technology today. if anatomically modern humans were 150000 years old as we're told, they would have achieved where we are today appx 144000 years ago. according to uniformitarian logic, after 6000 years, anatomically modern humans were still 138500 years away from even ideating a wheel
>>533756767Invention or discovery? I feel like they would have figured out that this shape was special.
>>533757501Dumb niggerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubljana_Marshes_Wheel#The_wooden_wheel
>>533757687>my logic is that it would take appx 6000 years starting from zero to reach the level of technology today.And your logic is based on making shit up as you go
>>533757288How? To make a wheel you need tools which took a long time to make. And invention can only happen when there is some level of stability. Most of mankind's existence we were no different than any other mammal roaming earth
>>533757746but it did take about 6000 to start from primitive stone age tools to where we are now so... why were we stuck on primitive stone age tools for almost 300,000 years despite having a modern prefrontal cortex?
>>533757796>but it did take about 6000 to start from primitive stone age tools to where we are nowWhy do you think that
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>>533757854because starting from zero is a slow process, but it's not 150000 years slow, especially not for anatomically modern humans
>>533757854huh?read a book nigger4000 bc was the beginning of the bronze age, the first major civilization we know of at sumer, the invention of writing etc. prior to that was the neolithic age
>>533757796Certain non-obvious inventions represented great leaps that led to other inventions. Agriculture isn't something that your average grug in a hunter-gatherer society would just come up with out of the blue. For most of humanity's history, we didn't have that. No agriculture means no persistent settlements means no civilization means no meaningful technological progress.
>>533757693What were the braces made out of? String? You can clearly see where the metal parts go. I doubt it is 8000 years old, it has to be bronze age
>>533756767the oldest known wheels, or reference to wheels are 5500 years oldwheels themselves are likely significantly older
>>533757221Sub-Saharan Africa is the cradle of human race. No wonder it’s the most conservative and trad place on the planet.
>>533756767you need the farm for the wheel to be useful what the fuck would you use a wheel for as a hunter gatherer? agricultural revolution? 8k years agoevery real technology? since thenamerican education ffs
>>533757767>How? To make a wheel you need toolsHe's a retard that saw a cartoon somewhere and doesn't realize that you need fairly sophisticated mathematics that he learned in grade school to both manufacture and to use a wheel as anything more than a novelty item.That line of jewish propagated stupidity also downplays how long that europeans and other cultures used flat boats and canoes on river as a very significant conveyance for travel and trade.
>>533758004well there's a definite lack of evidence for wheels prior to 5500 years ago be it fossils, drawings, etc. in terms of the official archaeological record of humanity it's as if they magically came into being 5500 years ago
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>>533757991>Agriculture isn't something that your average grug in a hunter-gatherer society would just come up with out of the blue.>look, a plant has sprouted from this seed>conclusion: plants come seeds. seeds fall on dirt>extrapolation: we could collect seeds, bury them in dirt, and come back to food plants>refinement: the soil is too hard for the little sprouts and roots we could till the soil, we should also water the plants and remove pests, behold yields have increased. ever notice plants growing around where we poop, what if we put poop on the dirt, wow yields increased again.>invention: i have created a simple device out of wood to till the soil faster, i call it a plowshould have taken a couple years not 300,000
>>533757939>From 0 to 1: 5900y>From 1 to 100: 100yWhat makes you think this makes sense>>533757946>>533757946>huh?>read a book niggerSo >It took 6000 years from the start of civilization to space flights because the book says soBut the book also says it took 150 000y to invent the wheel>Hahaha I don't trust the stupid books they lie about historySo you're literally the most retarded nigger possible>>533757996>What were the braces made out of? String?Wood. It's literally in the article and I linked that particular section because I know you're too dumb to read the whole article, alas it wasn't enough, you failed anyway>I doubt it is 8000 years oldBased on what
>>533758200>But the book also says it took 150 000y to invent the wheelyes, that's the point of the thread retard, finally you're caught up. the official history doesn't seem to make sense.
>>533757687nigger they died out nearly a few times since then, you couldn't just "pick up" stuff you need to wheel up. >show you have a niggermind without telling so
>>533758200obviously technology will start slowly and then accelerate rapidly. 6000 years time is a good solid window for that to occur given wars, disasters, developing math and philosophy, etc. any amount of time longer, especially hundreds of thousands of years, is insulting to the creativity and ingenuity of modern humans (obviously excepting and excluding the apes out of africa shit as complete bunk/propaganda slop)
>>533756767No. You're the joke, mutt.But I'll have mercy and explain it to you. My good deed before Allah for today:The wheel is a system technology. There is no need and no place for a wheel before an entire wheeled transport logistics system can carry itself economically. In direct competition with pack animals like oxen, camels, llamas.Some of the requirements:1. A need for dedicated bulk cargo or heavy cargo logistics. That means organized settlements with high population density. Aka cities. A relatively new phenomenon in human history. The rural subsistence dirt farmer has no need for wheels.2. Artificially flattened and cleaned land without any obstacles. Humans and pack animals can go anywhere. Wheels cannot. You have to do a lot of digging and moving dirt first before the wheel can even start to compete.3. You need skilled carpenters who can make axles and wheels that are long-lasting enough to actually be competitive.4. You need sufficiently strong domesticated animals that can pull the cart. Building roads and all that for human-pulled carts is pointless.So no, the caveman 150000 years ago had no use for a wheel. He carried what he needed. Through difficult terrain. He had no concept of roads.
>>533757687You're underestimating how difficult it is for a large group uneducated people to get passed survival mode without killing each other or succumbing to disease. I know how silicon cpus work and understand transistor gates, but if you send me to 12,000 B.C. and I'm sure as fuck not building a microprocessor, teach them how to mine iron and mix with carbon to make steel? Sure. How to boil water to kill bacteria? Sure. But the mass amount of technological build up came from a mass surplus of food allowing enough people to have the freedom to think, observe, study, and develop.
>>533758244>the official history doesn't seem to make sense.Yet you appeal to official history when you claim that it took 6000y from the invention of writing to space flight, 5900y riding horses, 100y to space flightI already explained this and you don't get it, how dumb are you>Official history makes no sense>My proof is that the official history says sopick one moran>>533758365>obviously technology will start slowly and then accelerate rapidlyThere you go
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>>533758161there are only so many bogs to preserve wheels in.most of them will have just rotted away, been repurposed or just burned as firewood.
>>533758183Sure, but why would your average hunter-gatherer society bother with that train of logic to begin with? They had a sustainable system where they would deplete an area's resources and move on to the next place until eventually cycling back to find the resources replenished themselves.I don't doubt the idea of planting seeds occurred to them. Or maybe they even did so to help facilitate the replenishment of resources.Proper agriculture, where you set up and tend a farm from sew to harvest, requires already having a stable location to set up shop. So it's a catch-22 that most societies would not consider worth the tradeoff. You can't migrate while tending a farm. You can't tend the farm if you're not acquiring food as you wait for the crops to grow. So actually making the first farm required a LOT of forward thinking and dumb fucking luck that you lived somewhere where this was even feasible. All to solve a problem they didn't even recognize as a problem.
>>533758431>150000its not even that long, neolithic revolution was 12k years ago and before that humans were literally like any other land critter living of the land and being really limited by local resources. so 1/10 of the modern human existance we were developing real technologies
>>533758458there you go what? the point of contention is our opinion in what constitutes slow to rapid. you think it's 150000 years slow, which is on its face absurd
>>533758458yes so the official history presents a contradiction. it says it took 6000 years to go from the stone age to today, but it also says it took 300,000 years to invent agriculture, writing, the wheel, houses.so it's not adding up is it? without an adequate explanation this doesn't make sense. and the explanation in my opinion are inadequate to explain away the contradiction.which would mean the books are wrong, either about when the earliest civilizations arouse, or how old modern humans are. thats the entire point of this thread you dense motherfucker, that's what we're saying
>>533758510You're living in a media simulacrum, mutt. Turn off your video screen, touch grass.
>>533756767Advanced human civilizations have been on this planet for hundreds of thousands to millions of years
>>533758586anon I don't even use a mobile phone, you're kiked beyond belief. At least you aren't speaking German eh Heinz?
>>533758526>so 1/10 of the modern human existance we were developing real technologiescould buy that over a 6000 year window. totally assinine over any let along significantly longer window
>>533756767earth's climate in its default state is considerably more harsh and constantly shifting. we exist in a lull period of an ice cage that consequentially began around the same time civilization did. I do wonder about the long timeframe itself, I think its a mix of carbon dating becoming extremely unreliable after a certain point, and the simple fact that humanity didnt have any significant population numbers until the ice age calmed down.
>>533758523for 300,000 years though nobody decided to take the seed planting idea to its logical conclusion? nobody, really, for 300,000? thats a long fucking time. you don't even need a full year in one spot, a single season, migrating animals often stay in one fertile area for a season. and when the plants have grown now you have a massive harvest, store the grains, survive the winter. by your logic agriculture should have never happened at all? and yet it did, for some reason. why not sooner? why did that reason not happen sooner or why did it happen at all? why arent we still hunter gatherers?
>>533758549>there you go what?There you go>obviously technology will start slowly and then accelerate rapidlythat>>533758569>it says it took 6000 years to go from the stone age to today,It says it took 5900 years of riding horses and 100y to space flight>but it also says it took 300,000 years to invent agriculture, writing, the wheel, houses.Yes. Keep thinking tiger, you can figure it out
>>533758526No, there have been technological advances before. So slowly that archaeologists named entire cultures after just one minor step.Try making good stone tools. Try making a good hunting bow. Try processing a raw animal hide into a good jacket. Try making useful medicine from the wild plants in your forest. Try making a container that can hold enough clean water for a day or three. Try keeping your fire burning while traveling in a rainstorm. None of those challenges is trivial. They all have been mastered long before civilization became a thing.
>>533758569the only way to buy into any longer window is to consider there's a roughly 6000 year reset cycle concluding with total global cataclysm but havent seen enough evidence to subscribe to it (which could be indicative of the scope and scale of such a theoretical cataclysm). in general everything about this realm, in its current state, archaeologically, geologically, with its current flora and fauna suggests appx 6000 years
>>533758693By my logic, a few hundred thousand years is about an appropriate time frame for the invention of agriculture.Agriculture was feasible and necessary to start up under a very precise set of conditions. It's a function of high population density, some forward thinking people willing to dedicate a lot of land and labor for dubious payoff, a proper location, and shifting climate patterns. There is no contradiction here. You're just stupid.
>>533758631Sure thing, mutt. And you post on this social media website how again? Next you're going to tell us you only pretend to be mentally retarded for the lavish social welfare lifestyle.
>Antikythera mechanism>Analog computer>1000 years older than the technology needed to build itOur knowledge of the ancient world is extremely thin.
>>533758183agriculture is less efficient than hunter-gathering at low populations. the earliest cities had a population full of stunted midgets with rotten teeth and getting slaughtered and extincted constantly by nomadic gigachads.
what i can believe is that with the start of agriculture there was a massive population boom that made great things and then population collapsed like lemmings when resource cap was met, thanks to that egyptians made the pyramid subway system that egyptologist hid from us . among other things
>>533758896>The plants suggest 6k years somehow>So does the dirtMay I see some proof?
>>533758931they got you good, I'll pray for you german
>>533756767Earth resets ever 12K years.
>>533759108>Earth pole reversal >The sun's magnetic field will somehow weaken too at exactly this timeNo fuck off, make your shit believable
>>533758848stop being an obtuse retard. yes, the official history doesn't make sense one way or another, thats the whole fucking point of this thread. we know. that what we're saying.>>533758896or there were older civilizations before sumer. and it wasn't 6000 years from stone age to modern day. or sumer etc are older than we thought. and/or humans younger than we though. and/or there was some biological change that made us smarter. or yeah some kind of reset like you say.>>533758905a very precise set of conditions you say, and it took 300,000 years for the stars to align on that. that is such a precise set of conditions its a miracle it ever happened at all, very unlikely.>>533759024well why were our populations always so low? for 300,000 years? thats a long time to grow a population.
>>533756767People always think the wheel is the absolute pinnacle. It's not. A needle and thread is a crazy idea but it allowed is to survive an ice age. The concept of not just munching all your seeds, but experimenting and "wasting" some by putting them back into the ground to see what happens.These things predate the wheel by tens of thousands of years and seem more creative and useful considering the needs of people at the time.
>>533759099my proof would be as convincing to your uniformitarian rotted brain as yours would be to my catastrophist rotted brain
>>533756767yeah, everything you were taught is at best a thought experiment and at worst a straight up lie
>>533759288>the official history doesn't make sense one way or anotherSo you say that it didn't take 5900y of riding horses and 100y to space flight ?So how did that go down, Egyptians had spacecrafts or what
>>533756767Wheels aren't useful in themselves, for an erectus or a paleolithic sapien they're just a funny shapeOnce we got practical applications (either horses to pull carts on the steppe, or urban civilizations which could make use of mass produced pottery) we got wheels not that long after
>>533757053>carbon dated a vase
>>533759288>a very precise set of conditions you say, and it took 300,000 years for the stars to align on that. that is such a precise set of conditions its a miracle it ever happened at all, very unlikelyGlobal climate shifts happen over very long timescales. Agriculture lines up pretty nicely with the end of the last glacial period
>>533759432the wheel was invented for practical applications, Fujima
>>533759369i already explained>>or there were older civilizations before sumer. and it wasn't 6000 years from stone age to modern day. or sumer etc are older than we thought. and/or humans younger than we thought. and/or there was some biological change that made us smarter. or yeah some kind of reset
>>533759246The former is a result of the latter.
>>533756767stone wheels would crack therefore wheels were made from wood and once they decayed they would be burned or discardedwhat exactly was the wheel used for is beyond my guess, but archeological records shows survivorship bias
>>533759478ok that's fairso the ice age was preventing the conditions to occur in which agriculture would have made sense to pursue. that makes more sense.but still, humans are not always going to do the thing that makes the most sense. still seems odd that not even one tribe suffered through the early days of agriculture to get through to to the other side... for 300,000 years. just because hunter gathering was the wiser move back then until the end of the ice age changed the conditions.
>>533758431bakery?
>Civilization goes back 6K years>The Bible goes back 6K yearsreally make you think
>>533756767remember that for about 50,000 years, homo sapiens communicated through grunts and adjusting voice pitch before we finally invented consonants and language followed.
>>533759369>5900y of riding horses and 100y to space flightand why do you keep saying this? there are still people alive today from a hundred years ago. we have literal eyewitnesses to the development of flight and its all very well documented, some of those early planes still fly at air shows. the critical invention was the internal combustion engine, a very complex machine and it doesnt surprise me we took thousands of years starting from nothing to figure that one out. but once we did it unlocked a whole new tech tree including cars and planes.
>>533757515flying around in space is just riding sky horses
>>533759787You're basically there, read your own post and think about it
>>533759782any proof of that?
>>533759682Your personal incredulity isn't realky an argument here. Matbe some made an attempt but failed. Or maybe this whole concept really is more complicated than you're giving it credit for.A lot of shit that seems obvious to you is really a result of you veing brought up in a civilized society with a basic educational system which was built on the back of thousands of years of innovation. Even basic logic wasn't formalized until the Greeks. Differentiating fact from opinion is something children need to be explicitly taught. Hell, the concept of "counting" requires a level of abstraction that the average person probably wouldn't be able to develop independently.Meanwhile, the global human population was quite small for the majority of our existence, owing to a lack of civilization, so there was less labor and brainpower to go around.
>>533759856you can still communicate that way with most other mammals, we all still share most of the same intonation pitches hell a lot of them have particular sounds for particular things which is the exact same thing we're doing nowlanguage just follows the complexity of activity it has to describe
>>533759846just fucking say itenough with being an obtuse riddler>>533760016oh come on, now you're saying they couldn't even count. that the concept of counting needs to be taught? being able to communicate how many animals are in a herd or how many bison you need to kill and smoke to have enough flesh for the winter to feed the number of people you count in your tribe, would have been helpful. im sure they could count. differentiating fact from opinion is something most people still can't do today, so i'll give you that.and, though its not an argument, i'll say it again anyways. i just have a hard time picturing everyone being a stupid retard that cant even think or count for 300,000 years. it doesnt seem likely to me. i know thats not an argument but neither is my dick, which you can suck
>>533756767The wheel only became useful with the introduction of horses or oxen
>>533760220so why did take us hundreds of thousands of years to invent the horse?
>>533756767The wheel is an extremely complex device and was invented by the Aryans when they invented chariots.(For a real wheel you need spokes, rims, and something like ball bearings. This is not stone-age technology.)
>>533760256>invent the horse?
>>533760283its just 4 legs and a back you can sit on, pretty simple concept. the tail made out of long hairs to swat away flies was a nice touch though.
>>533760256I'd like to see you make a horse
>>533760180Counting requires a concept of enumeration. It's a lot harder than you're giving it credit for, especially when compared to more visceral concepts like "a lot," "enough," "too much," "not enough," etc. I'm not saying they're "stupid." I'm saying that things you think are simple only seem that way because you're educated, surrounded by educated people, exposed to media made by educated people, and exist in a society which demands a base-level education to continue existing.
>>533760379how many people are in your tribe? how many mouths to feed? you have to plan for the winter. 1 person, another person thats 2, yet another person thats... i dunno more, oh wow you're right this is so hard.
>>533757288>it's the first thing that any man with a prefontal cortex would fashionWheel is useless without groundwork to support it usage. In uneven, rough terrain it;s easier to carry things than use wheeled transport, and that is using modern empty wheels with rubber tires. Trying to use OP pic full stone wheel without road is insanity.
>>533756767Goalposts are flying all over this thread, so I don't know where the hell to put mine. We can only reasonably look for evidence of wheels in places that were above water both now and at the end of the last Ice Age. However, people like to live on coasts, and most of that period is characterized by the ocean swallowing the coast, people packing up and moving inland a bit, then the coast being swallowed again; repeat for thousands of fucking years. There wasn't a lot of sitting around building stable monuments and thinking up new technologies because the ocean would just fucking swallow them. There was no way for the people to know when the fuck it would stop, and all the Great Flood myths show they couldn't comprehend it, anyway. We can assume that there was a stable period between the last two ice ages, which gave rise to probably several advanced civilizations, but what existed before the Pleistocene would have been ground to dust by ice sheets and glaciers, and everything after is on the ocean floor. What can survive thousands of years of being submerged in saltwater, that is.
>>533760503its still usefull in a variety of applications like mills and shit but need agriculture for it to be usefull
>>533756767There is a lot of things that you take for granted. This is why total collapse must happen.
>>533760515wrong, river deltas were inhabited since the start of agriculture
>>533760503>stone wheelwood would be a more obvious choice due to lightness. also not all terrain is rough. there are long stretches of flat land. really the barrier is settlement, as in people in one area long enough to justify stopping anywhere to build it and use it. which means planting seeds in the ground which itself is a pretty obvious concept, though that is up for debate
>>533756767protip: the universe is only about six thousand years old.distant objects (in time or space) appear older because of time dilation (space and time are linked so that expansion of one causes expansion of the other)
>>533760256because the damn Mongolians had manual on how to build horses and refused to share it until somebody stole it, obviously.>>533760368just follow the construction manual man, its not THAT hard when you got the manual.
>>533760599but it would take generations to rebuild and those descendants they'll eventually end up taking it for granted too, so what does this collapse you want so bad accomplish? ok so shit collapses and now we realize how hard wheels actually are, great, why though?
>>533760686>Does not believe the world is more than 6000 years old>But believes in time dilation.
>>533760473Once again you are relying on abstractions you were raised on. "How many" wouldn't even be a thing without the concept of a number. The thought process would be more like direct comparison and evaluating inequalities. "Is this much meat enough for our tribe?" "Do we feast after this hunt or ration?" Like obviously they would have a concept of 1 vs 2. But the systematic mapping of a tangible object to an abstract notion and then generalizing the group as having a "value" isn't as obvious as you may think, utility or no.The oldest known tally stick used for counting is about 40,000 years old.
>>533760503That "stone wheel" is probably a millstone. No sane person would make cartwheels from stone. I guess the author spent too much of her childhood watching shitty American cartoons.
>>533760326It takes a million years for a horse to evolve
>>533760379Enumeration isn't that hard. You just need some sort of reason to have it. Lions count the roars of rival prides to estimate numbers based odds before engaging in fights. There are fish that can count. Most of it is simple greater than or less than logic, but it's always as complex as it needs to be for the tasks required. There are insects that can keep exact numeration of landmarks and some that count their own steps into the thousands to navigate. Bees communicate routes by direction and number of landmarks, so they're capable of exact enumeration and have body language based 'words' for numbers the same way we say one or two.
>>533760728It won't take as long since we have blueprints but it will humble people and we will go back to morz primordial truths like men are men and women are women, useless niggers are useless niggers, this kind of things.
>>533760503Retard, a heavy stone wheel MAKES roads
>>533759303It's not 6000 years old but (((they))) are hiding the past.>>533759587Earth's magnetic field is too weak to affect the sun's but the poles are jumping around more and speeding up. Something fucky whacky is definitely going on.>>533759765This basically
>>533758431>The rural subsistence dirt farmer has no need for wheels.idiot>Building roads and all that for human-pulled carts is pointless.idiot againhttps://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2011/12/how-to-downsize-a-transport-network-the-chinese-wheelbarrow/
>>533760915It's an interconnected magnetic field and as above so below
>>533760851Or an oil press
>>533760879Eh. I'll concede I might have overstepped with the "counting" thing. It was nore just a vehicle to explore how seemingly obvious things might not be obvious to people with no exposure to the thing in question.
>>533756767probably as sex toy at first, proto ona hole
>>533760783you're overthinking it to the point of retardation>like obviously they would have a concept of 1 vs 2then why not 3? 4? yes its obvious.>The oldest known tally stick used for counting is about 40,000 years old.thats proving my point, not yours. thats the oldest one we found, but they're made out of wood and dont preserve well. if we could count 40,000 years ago then theres no reason we couldnt count 300,000 years ago when we were at the same tech level. and even assuming we didnt learn how to count until 40,000 years old, a random assumption based on assuming counting to 4 requires "relying on abstractions you were raised on", it still took 34,000 years to develop agriculture after we were already clever enough to count well enough that we needed records and receipts of numbers
>>533760283>>533760857a) Evolution is not real.b) Horses had to be bred to a very tight spec for them to be used as transport and weapons, so yes, "invented" is a proper word to use here.(Incidentally, historians still have no clue how the ancient Aryans managed to breed the modern horse.)
>>533760625>there are long stretches of flat landHave you ever walked over a virgin steppe?Shit's rough, I'd definitely prefer mountainous terrain.
>>533760857skill issue>>533760880we don't need a total collapse for that. even the decline of the last decade has woken most people up to it. the retards who dont understand men are men and women are women are actually fewer then you realize, they're a loud minority backed by the full force of state and corporate propaganda. thats what we need to get rid of not antibiotics and agriculture and the internal combustion engine we can keep those.besides whats stopping the problem from re-emerging in the future? we need the cultural change now to immunize ourselves and then move forward. doing a lengthy generations long collapse and rebuild side quest doesnt help
>>533761428We weren't exactly "at the same tech level" 40,000 years ago vs 300,000 years ago. Incremental improvements to stone and wooden tools was still happening. Improved methods of leathercraft, bone working, basket weaving, etc. You're missing the point anyway. There's a difference between seeing mow many things are immediately in front of you and systematically counting. Also, see >>533761188
>>533756767Humans are almost 6k years old. Stop being retarded
>>533761497>a) Evolution is not real.>b) Horses had to be bred to a very tight spec for them to ... evolveNIGGGEEEEERRRRRRR
>>533756767I think the idea of perfect refinement is a modern (within the last 10000 years I mean) concept. A spikey stick was sharp enough if it killed, a rock heavy enough if it crushed. The idea of refining an object to perfection required a level of attention and intent that exceeded it's immediate use. Objects like the wheel are so abstract according to their immediate use (in relation to their origin form) that it can be fair to assume that a certain level of time/resource equity was needed in order to justify the pursuit of perfect refinement.
>>533756767God only rolls out content patches every few thousand years.
>>533761749> artificial selection is the same as natural selectionSmartest Croatian? Don't ever post on my internet again, thx.
>>533757053Lol you're a retard who got lied to and were too stupid to know any better
>>533756767Yeah they didnt have cars 2mil years ago obviously,
>>533761982>Natural selection doesn't existNIGGY NIGGY NIGGY NIGGY NIG
>>533757366> godReligion is the result of people being naive and foolish enough to believe anything they were told
>>533762096Reminder that Putin banned 4chan for Russians. You are literally talking to Russian state olgino troll.
>>533757796You know how if a child is born and isn't taught fucking anything because their parents are also retarded that child will not know fucking shit? Having a "modern" prefrontal cortex means fuck all when there's nothing but environmental stimuli teaching the individual.Notice how humanity really only saw major advancements AFTER we learned how to read and write and could actually share information instead of grunting around in a small tribe.
>>533762178>Memeflag warns about possible glownigger flagsMust be the stupid hour on 4chan
>>533762409you can check you yourselvespurchase Russian ip vpn and try to connect to 4chan...
>>533762178Is that why the based tail enjoyer stopped posting?
>>533757214If you compress the entire history of the earth into a single year, human civilization began on December 31st at 11:59:22 PM Jesus was born at 11:59:45 PMThe industrial revolution occurred at 11:59:58 PM
>>533762497>As of April 2026, there is no evidence of a new, blanket ban specifically on 4chan in Russia. While 4chan has faced intermittent blocks in the past—most notably around 2014 due to specific content violations—it is not currently listed among the major Western platforms recently targeted by the Kremlin.
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>>533762628youtube aren't officially banned too but you cant access it from Russiaagain you can check it first hand with a VPN
>>533757223>To make use of the wheel you need paved roads and a beast of burden.nonsense, wheelbarrows are pretty useful
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>>533760906have you ever ridden a bike over a ra dom grassland? Or through a forest? There are countless sticks, trees, holes in the ground and thats with soft rubber tires. Simple wooden wheel gets stuck, stone wheel.too. Remember they dont have an engine to power through.
>>533756767Wheel wasnt needed most of our history. Once farming came to be, men begun tinkering and it was surprisngly fast.
>>533757164This.The majority of people do not understand that life fucking SUCKS outside of society.It is NOT easy, it is filled with death and suffering.There's a reason most of humanity, despite our cognitive superiority, was stuck at under a billion for the longest time, wilderness can't sustain much more.People were dying all the time from trivial shit.Chipped tooth? Enjoy your eventual death in a few years from an infection after you ate that raw ferret meat.It's only when we started to cook things that we really took off as a species. The massive increase in energy efficient food sources caused huge changes, and over the generations the body adapted to use the excess energy we were consuming. The same thing will happen now post-industrialization with all the high-sugar foods people are eating. A few generations down the line those diets will have a major impact, but it sure sucks for everyone right now who are suffering with lethargy and diabeetus.It's also why advances exploded since industrialization, and are still going.5 years ago you'd never hear anyone saying we'd have decently useful AI like we do now.Before then it was a bit of a meme. Transformers being used for AI was the last thing anyone expected, it was made to help translate better by changing the attention model for translation, then someone was like "huh, turning this around could be interesting" and bham, suddenly we had LLMs in a couple years.But as I said before, it sure sucks for the people now who are being displaced in jobs, just like when we first started automating factories a century ago.
Alot of evolutionary theory is based on hopes and dreams. Even if Christianity wasn't the real deal I still wouldn't believe our of Africa.
>>533757126They discovered homo erectus art recently. And I suspect homo heidelbergensis was experimenting with farming at Silurian hypothesis levels. Found too many African specimens eating high starch diets in one area. Not seen again until the agricultural revolution.
>>533763028>homo sapian>homo sexual literally translates to "man lover"I was today years old when i finally made that connection
>>533756767at the end ... it's the whites fault!
>>533763308I'm pretty sure the word for fags comes from homogenous+sexual because they're sexual towards the same sex instead of the other one
>>533763115This. Once man was able to sit down and think for a few seconds instead of constantly being on the move things started happening really fast. Have some bread, drink some beer, invent some new doodad that elevates production and transport by 100x.
>>533763296There are 10000 ways to fuck up the soil forever. It's no coincidence that all the long-lasting early farmer kingdoms emerged on floodlands.
>>533757388Technological progress isn't an inherent human motivation. It was relatively stagnant for tens of thousands of years because humans were able to sustain themselves fine in their respective environments with incremental improvements and population density was too low to facilitate quick knowledge transfer when technology did improve.It's only when people started settling AND modifying their environment that technological innovation exploded. Most early civilizations' innovations, like the wheel or writing, are useless in an environment where population density is low and the environment isn't heavily modified. Hell, they're not even useful in some dense, heavily modified environments; the civilizations in the americas were very complex yet hadn't developed the wheel because certain factors like terrain and absence of beasts of burden made them less useful.
>>533763511Have you even met humans? They sit around all the time. Even cocaine addicts are not constantly on the move.The big tech rush came from the separation of labor. When one man makes all the bows for the tribe and not much else, you can expect him to effortlessly make impressively good bows after a decade or two.
