Let's talk about the Bible, Bible history, lingustics, manuscripts and prophecy. Pic related, Armageddon. How can The End of the World benefit us? What will take place after Armageddon?
>>533807781>Taking the mythological collection of the Jews literallyOP, you've been granted the "missed the point" award.
>>533807781jewish religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86X3oStLiy4
>>533807781Pic related will happen after Armageddon.
>>533807781We aren’t interested in middle eastern fairytales
>>533807781>>533808281Pic related
>>533807781>>533808281>>533808323The earth will be transformed into a beautiful paradise.
>>533808368>>533808281True.>Isaiah 11: 6 The wolf will live with the lamb, >the leopard will lie down with the goat,the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together; > and a little child will lead them.>7 The cow will feed with the bear, >their young will lie down together, > and the lion will eat straw like the ox.>8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den, > and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.>9 They will neither harm nor destroy> on all my holy mountain,>for the earth will be filled with the >knowledge of the Lord > as the waters cover the sea.
>>533808603Based and bread-pilled. We are at the bottom of the feet.
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>>533808702>>533808368It’ll be like Eden before the fall of man, without the curse of death and decay. All of creation groans in longing until thenRomans 8> 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, 20 for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, 23 and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies
>>533808311Then why did you post here?
>>533808859Absolutely. You know what else?>(John 5:28, 29) Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.>(Acts 24:15) and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.>(John 5:29) and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.The Bible teaches that after the end of the world there will bet two resurrections: One of the righteous and one of unrighteous. One of faithful and one who committed vile things to be judged in the next system.The Bible does acknowledge individuals around the world who never had a chance to know God and Christ. That's where the second resurrection comes in up above. The unrighteous resurrection will be for bad people who acted out of ignorance, mental illness, isolation, social and political engineering, etc. This includes people from times and eras where God did not reveal himself to them. They will be brought back to life in the next system of Earth where no evil and no devil exist anymore. THEY will be judged under that system. If they can change they can stay, if they refuse they go back to eternal oblivion(SECOND DEATH.) Babies will be brought back to life here.
>>533808804Zechariah 13 Deuteronomy 13
Which one is correct?
>>533809100What verses?>>533809148None
>>533809148This one's gonna hurt
>>533809239The whole chapter basically but it talks about iron and the hand being pierced by iron (Jesus) but it was an evil that did not cling to him as Jesus cling to God (another verse cling to the Lord) then God resurrected him basically but it's very good chapters very pertinent. It's interesting that you can find very similar parallels for example compare 13:9 in both books and you can also see where it's discussed in NT
>>533807781Now Both the catalogue and these thread will be infested with Christ-hating jews and atheists, all while we're contained here. Great>Mfw creationism is empirically and scientifically provenBoth atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. There are only 2 available ontological primitives for how the universe/existence arrived (naturalism or creationism), TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITIONBoth atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the callBoth positions are still in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics. The law of entropy proves matter and energy had a starting point, and isn't infiniteThe existence of information is not matter nor energy. All information is traced back to an intelligent source>Creationism empirically and scientifically proven
>>533809446Nice
>>533809390Post whatever you want. The thread is free to use for Bible Commentary.
>>533807781>Christian>/pol/cellIts time to choose one
>>533809099If you read Genesis 3, you'll realize that religion has nothing to do with how you're saved, because mankind is categorically evil due to sin, so the basis for judgement is entirely tied to belief, the Second death applies to the souls that refused to believe the gospel, NOT because they broke the law with their flesh, the book is not advocating for religion, religion is by product that man views as a necessity because of his guilty conscience, religion is infact a satanic counterfeit of the behavior Jesus displays, the priests use the law to crucify Christ anyway knowing who he is and accusing him of being possessed despite seeing shit clearly only God could do. Religion is evil pretending to be good, The book says it several times, and Jesus even generalizes the entirety of the human race when correcting the rich young ruler, "No one is good but God alone." God's not lying, Jesus is the template for man, so it cannot have anything to do with what you do being the qualifier or disqualifier in that regard, and this is why the priests hunt paul down, because Jesus explained to Paul that religion, just as he had told the priests they were gatekeeping in matthew 23:13, was Satan's attempt at pretending to be God using the law as a cloak, and since Paul wrote "Sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, slew me." He never nor did God EVER intend for man to interpret the law as a call to religion. Religion didn't exist along with government before the fall, Satan is subtle, and knew that under a guilty conscience we would produce systems tasked with suppressing evil, this is precisely why government and religion are dialectically linked, and while appearing to despise one another, actively conspire in the same spirit against God throughout the book. You are told to believe the gospel, thats it, its by Grace through faith. The action literally only applies to the soul, and God provided the atonement for you to place your faith in. Eph 2:8.
>>533809447>"everyone who hates my jew is a jew">shits up every thread related to religion, and even some that aren't.>"oh pitiful us contained to this singular thread and persecuted so!"Could you act more jewish if you tried?
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Some JWs came to my home today and I spoke to them for a bit. I am Christian but have no interest is becoming JW, I just have an open mind and like learning about others interpretation of faith (not big into institutional religion, and JW is this to me). I took some of their reading material and it's interesting, although I don't fully agree with all of it. Just seens like hardline literalist interpretation of the bible. They asked if they could come back and I said sure (i didn't mind conversation but I said I have no interest converting).Will this be an issue now? I feel maybe I presented myself as a potential convert, when I really have no interest outside of conversation. You hear horror stories about how persistent they can be, but then I never have had a personal experience with them.
>>533807781Christcucks think humans would lose to angels with bows and arrows.lolLmao even
The divine is absolutely incorporeal, and impassible. catholics, orthodox, and mainline protestants all believe this.>It cannot suffer>It cannot be shamed>It cannot be arrested, beaten, mocked, crucified>It cannot dieA God who suffers is a God who can be affected, which means a God who is not fully self-sufficient, which means not truly supreme.christcucks say:>yeshua was truly divineotherwise you have the Arianism heresy that atonement has no infinite weight>yeshua truly suffered otherwise you have the Docetism heresy that yeshua only appeared to have a body and only appeared to suffer.>These are not two separate beingsotherwise you have the Nestorian heresy of two personsNo christcuck in this thread will be able to refute this post. The best argument they have is Kierkegaard admitting it is an impossibility but to believe it anyways.
>>533809699That's why I'm a deist and not dogmatic. I don't believe those verses but more specifically the one about turning the other cheek means something else. Specifically they had a custom of slapping you with the dirty hand which was the hand they used to wipe with so was a major disrespect. Jesus basically says if the ruler wants to slap you turn the other cheek so they are forced to use the clean hand. Otherwise I think the others were changed or added. We very mysteriously don't even have the original gospel anymore which was called the gospel of hebrews or q gospel (not to be confused with the book of hebrews)
>>533809842>Just seens like hardline literalist interpretation of the bible.What did you read?>They asked if they could come back and I said sure (i didn't mind conversation but I said I have no interest converting).We don't convert people you can only convert yourself. Jesus told to make disciples, not converts. A disciple is just a student. They want to know if you want to know more or want help understanding something. >Will this be an issue now?No>I feel maybe I presented myself as a potential convert, when I really have no interest outside of conversation.That's fine. You can tell them that. >You hear horror stories about how persistent they can be, but then I never have had a personal experience with them.I can help you here in the meantime.
>>533810086Jesus did not say that if someone strikes you on the jaw you should get up off the floor and hold up the other side of your face for a target. No; how foolish and ridiculous that would be! A slap is not intended to injure physically but only to insult or provoke into a fight. What Jesus was saying was that, if anyone tried to provoke you into a fight or an argument, by either literally slapping you with an open hand or stinging you with insulting words, it would be wrong for you to retaliate. “Return evil for evil to no one. ... Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.” Peter said that Christians would not be “paying back injury for injury or reviling for reviling, but, to the contrary, bestowing a blessing, because you were called to this course, so that you might inherit a blessing.”—Rom. 12:17, 21; 1Pet. 3:9.Why?>(1 Peter 4:4) Because YOU do not continue running with them in this course to the same low sink of debauchery, they are puzzled and go on speaking abusively of YOU.When you refuse to provoke, insult, or offend back this makes you distinct from them and exposes them as the hypocrites and evil ones. That's why you turn the other cheek; it is to not fall for their demand for retaliation so they can make you look as bad as them.
>>533809688>You are told to believe the gospel, thats it, its by Grace through faith.(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,(Hebrews 4:12) For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.All Scripture. Not just the Gospel.
>>533810246That's why many of the teachings of Paul are false. He starts out saying good things and then finished with crazy mumbo jumbo. Either he didn't write all that or he truly was damage control for the Roman empire and the Catholic church is really a continuation of that (i.e. holy Roman empire?!)It means what I explained it meant. Proverbs 8:13 the fear of God means to hate evil. Moses says and eye for and eye and in the dueteronomy verse 13 I mention it also talks about phinehas and burning abominations. You don't placate evil, it's a parasite you destroy it or it destroys you. Demons can't be reasoned with
Why do Christians cry like little bitches when they're about to die if they really believe that Heaven exists? Shouldn't they be excited? Is it really just a cope and Christians are actually unsure?
>>533810449Faith produces works and faith is works. Even witnessing and making comments is works if they bear good fruit so make sure you say what's correct or the seed will be rotten. That is how the word of God works
>>533810178Wtf is that cringe normie nigger meme
>>533809842JW are all right I met many who were cool but not my thing. Their translation is very bad but at least they don't call God yahweh. Berean is a good translation it's better than kjv
>>533807781Redeemed Zoomer accidently converted thousands of zoomers to Catholicism while trying to start a "Protestant Reconquista" for the last 5 years.Its genuinely hilarious that he keeps making pro-protestant content but only makes more catholics and he doesn't understand why.
>>533810178They were nice people (a man and his son) and I would like to hear more about their views on faith and the future, but I also don't want to set myself up for constant unannounced visits in the hope I will join JW. I resonate with their message, but again, for me this is a personal thing - not institutional.Some watchtower pamphlet. It's not bad and I agree with lots of the conent but some things I would challenge/don't see the same way>I believe in trinity, not that Jesus and God are seperate entities. I could expand that God is a much greater thing than an external creator and the holy spirit is the mechanism for this, but that is a bit beyond what the pamphlet covered and honestly maybe not exactly popular belief in Christianity.>I don't believe in the interpretation that we can live forever on this earth. I believe in eternal life through the spirit, but not in the material world.>I don't agree with the interpretation that the original sin was Adam/Eve deciding they can choose right and wrong for themselves.Alot of it boils down to the fact I believe that the bible is a narrative device to deliver universal truths, not a literal narrative. I do believe that the teaching of JW is in line with also spreading said universal truth/knowledge. I also do resonate with the message that the material world is stagnating and that a kingdom of God will come to those who live by said knowledge as the kingdoms of man fall apart, but again, I don't see this as a literal intervention by a creator God, but by humans applying the knowledge of God (guided by the Holy Spirit) to create said kingdom on earth (the knowledge of good and evil, the thing which once humans gain the abilitiy to understand created death). I can't really expand my thoughts beyond this as it's top long winded, but maybe you get the idea.
>>533807781Jesus told us no man will know the day or the hour when judgement comes. This JW obsession with predicting the end is vanity. And you've already failed three or four times, so maybe you should just give these gimmicks a rest?
>>533810651Not of yourselves. The apostasy is happening in real time, its not people leaving religion, its Satan using religion to snuff out The Gospel by trampling it with religion.Read the mustard seed parable, a mustard seed does not produce a tree, its the counterfeit of religion that Jesus is describing. Faith is not evidenced by works, man cannot know what anyone believes based on what they do, The False Christ intends to feign moral law keeping as a means to tricking you into worshipping him through religion, theres nothing overtly evil about this, you walk by faith, not by sight, the flesh is dead.
>>533810788They seemed like good people. How many people spend their morning spreading the good news on a Saturday morning?I wouldn't say their interpretation is wrong, we can only decide ourselves how we interpret scripture, but I suppose this is one of the things I can't resonate with - I don't believe an external group can tell you what is right or wrong in applying scripture. Their faith seems similar to catholicism is how absolutist right and wrong is based on their own interpretation of scripture. I have a more protestant view (we read and study scripture and let it speak to us).
>>533808983>[] COLLEGE / HR WOMAN NO KINGS BLAH BLAH BLAH NO IMPERIALISM BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
>>533809699good job misquoting the other half of all that shithead
>>533810477Everything Paul states is in line with Jesus. You can't claim Paul is false because doing so would contradict>(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,It would mean NOT ALL Scripture is inspired by God. It would mean God wasn't powerful enough to prevent false letters from entering his inspired word. >>533810597Even Jesus cried out in pain asking God why he forsook him. And he was perfect. It's not death Christians are afraid of, it's the process of getting there that's frightening. >>533810651Correct >>533811054>Matthew 25:13) “Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU know neither the day nor the hour.>(Mark 13:33) Keep looking, keep awake, for YOU do not know when the appointed time is.>(Luke 21:36) Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that YOU may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man.”>(1 Thessalonians 5:6) So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses.>(1 Peter 5:8) Keep YOUR senses, be watchful. YOUR adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour [someone].>(1 Corinthians 7:31) and those making use of the world as those not using it to the full; for the scene of this world is changing.>(Mark 13:36) in order that when he arrives suddenly, HE DOES NOT FIND YOU SLEEPING.This is what /pol/ and JW have in common. /pol/ watches the scene of the world and ever-changing trends and events. We do the same. /pol/ calls it THE HAPPENING, we call it the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. As a Christian, it is your job to prepare for this
>>533811207Everyone walks by faith whether they know it cognizently or not because they exist. This is what is meant by I am. In actuality sight is knowing and ignorance is blindness. Faith is rooted in logic not some fantastical imagination as that's what lies are and you can't spell belief without the word 'lie'
>>533811563It's not difficult to say all the whole universe is inspired of GodI don't feel like reading or rebuking the rest. All due respect though
>>533809263in the timaeus, plato says the world soul was set in the shape of a cross in the cosmos. curious.
rabbi yeshua already said he would return in his apostles lifetimes and FAILEDwe know this is the correct interpretation because the early church started coping that jesus made one of the apostles immortal (the wandering jew) lmao
>>533811893Plato literally predicts Jesus crucifixion. Plato also said the root of all evil is ignorance which I agree and came to that conclusion independently before I ever read plato/socrates. Socrates also died in a way similar to jesus
>>533811009>>I don't believe in the interpretation that we can live forever on this earth.What do you think about these verses?>(Isaiah 45:18) For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.>(Psalm 37:29) The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.>(Psalm 115:16) As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.>(Proverbs 2:21) For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it.>(Matthew 5:5) “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.>(Psalm 25:13) His own soul will lodge in goodness itself, And his own offspring will take possession of the earth.>(Psalm 37:11) But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.>(Matthew 6:9-10) “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, ALSO UPON EARTH.>(Jeremiah 27:5) ‘I myself have made the earth, mankind and the beasts that are upon the surface of the earth by my great power and by my stretched-out arm; and I have given it to whom it has proved right in my eyes.>(Acts 17:26) And he made out of one [man] every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of the dwelling of [men],
>>533811924No matter what Jesus or anyone does you will always move the goal post.Christ is King
>>533811009>but by humans applying the knowledge of GodWhat do you think about these verses?>>Proverbs 3:5,6 - Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.>Jeremiah 10:23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step>Proverbs 20:24-A man’s footsteps are directed by Jehovah; How can a man understand his own way?>Ecclesiastes 8:9-All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.
>>533811924This was fulfilled through the transfiguration of Jesus in the mountain when he took some of the disciples with him. This was just a vision.>(Matthew 16:28) Truly I say to YOU that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”6 days later...>(Matthew 17:1, 2) Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John his brother along and brought them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. 2And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light.Both Mark and Luke also linked Jesus’ comment about the Kingdom with the account of the transfiguration. (Mark 9:1-8; Luke 9:27-36) Jesus’ coming in Kingdom power was demonstrated in his transfiguration, his appearing in glory in the presence of the three apostles.Peter verifies this understanding by speaking of “the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ” with regard to his witnessing Jesus’ transfiguration.>(2 Peter 1:16-18) No, it was not by following artfully contrived false stories that we acquainted YOU with the power and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ, but it was by having become eyewitnesses of his magnificence. 17For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” 18Yes, these words we heard borne from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.It was fulfilled in the mountain through the transfiguration
>>533807781Please put down the Jewish bullshit..you are literally a liability to our survival in this very racial conflict.You began the weakness to the Jews and their ways. And that weakness will die with the death of this religion.
>>533811729Wisdom of man, utter Garbage to God.You know both good and evil, relying on your own understanding is spiritual suicide. Solomon had wisdom, and it didn’t save him, which shows that no human faculty, even God‑given, can overcome the fact that man knows good and evil. Wisdom is not salvation.You’re also conflating ontology with epistemology. Existing is not the same thing as believing. Rocks exist. Trees exist. They don’t ‘walk by faith.’Faith is not sight, and it’s not logic. Faith is responding to a testimony, something heard, not seen. You either believe it or you don’t. That’s the biblical category.So saying ‘everyone walks by faith because they exist’ is simply a category mistake. Existence is ontological. Faith is epistemological. They’re not interchangeable.You actually have the framework ass backwards by asserting that sight is knowing and ignorance is blindness, the word tells you the Pharisee reject Christ even as he preforms miracles infront of them.SEEING THEY DO NOT SEEHEARING THEY DO NOT HEAR
>>533808804>476 AD fall of the Western Roman Empire>1776 AD founding of the United States of AmericaI think your identification of the feet is incorrect
>>533812347If Solomon had wisdom he wouldn't have did what he did. The scriptures command us to use discernment and that includes parsing and questioning what is written.you can use your own imagination to discover another interpretation without me having to explain every single detail
>>533812359Rome was eagle America has eagleRome had a ancient Hollywood (huge occult conspiracy)Eastern Roman empire continued until about 1500 a.d. Justinian basically invented our modern political systemI could go on. The case is strong and eagles are mentioned a lot in scripture
>>533812495>If Solomon had wisdom he wouldn't have sinnedThis is Gnosticism. Flat out.Scripture condemns unbelief as a category, not just actions, but the entire human attempt to construct meaning through philosophy, ideology, or religion. These are all products of the knowledge of good and evil, and none of them can save.Saying Solomon would have been saved by a different kind of wisdom assumes that human wisdom, secular or moralistic, can overcome the very condition Scripture says it cannot. That contradicts the entire point of Solomon’s story.The Cross is God’s verdict on every human system of self‑salvation. Philosophy, ideology, and religion all arise from the same ontological problem: man knowing good and evil. That’s why they oppose God by nature, not by intention.
>>533812271https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJWV5RrTpc&list=PLbp2rBmJXQp3L-x8jfpJfL3-bk7mvDL1a
>>533807781Yeshua was a child molester
>>533812083True scripture, but I wouldn't interpret this as we will live on this earth in our current material form forever. I can't tell you how to interpret this, or what the anwser is, as I don't know. Nobody does but God, we can only have faith in his word. I think it's important to consider much of the evil on this earth stems from the desire to live (and rule) forever. As far as we can confirm ourselves though, flesh seems to always expire. Maybe eternal life is not a promise to flesh, but instead via the spirit? The idea of wanting to forever seems very material based to me.
>>533812850So Solomon did have wisdom knowledge and understanding and wilfully chose ignorance then. What could make him do that? Simply the fact that he can choose that? Perhaps there's no reason. That's why pure evil is irrationality. As the butler says in the batman movie: "some men just wanna see the world burn"Or perhaps there was some lingering taint from the affair with Bathsheba...And David seemed reluctant to make Solomon king at the end. I think he knew things that the prophets know. That's why he wrote psalms. Solomon is like Paul to me
>>533813032>much of the evil on this earth stems from the desire to live (and rule) forever.
you people are nigger stupid.jesus was gay...Ezekiel 289 Dost thou really say, `I [am] God,' Before him who is slaying thee? And thou [art] man, and not God, In the hand of him who is piercing thee.John 10:33“You, a man, make yourself God.” Mark 14:51–52“A young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him, but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.”Ezekiel 2815 Perfect [art] thou in thy ways, From the day of thy being produced, Till perversity hath been found in thee.there are two messiahs, the first was jesus, he was used by satan to lead white people astray...he claimed to be god, he went gay, playing with naked boys in the garden at night before he was strung up.he knew he worked for satan, and was meant to curse his people; Matthew 15:24“I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”this is why jews want you to be christians; since they created the church, catholic and protestant. he knew he was going to be used as a cult leader... a martyr, to create satan's world.John 10:14–15“I know my sheep… and I lay down my life for the sheep.”John 12:32–33“And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”all religion is satanic garbage. god does not have a religion; he has rules for you to live by; he gave these rules to Moses. If you do not follow these rules, you are cursed. the jews know this, and create laws against the laws given to Moses; like letting two men marry, like not killing pedophiles, and abortion. this is why your world is dying, your societies are cursed; because you disobey the laws of god, given to Moses.and jews are not the chosen ones, they are the synagogue of satan; and do nothing but lie. along with you priest and pastor.don't be a stupid nigger. be a smart nigger.
>>533812922Nah but I'm pretty sure you are and the police government et Al. Must be in on it for not investigating you. What a fucking bizarre comment. Red flag
>>533812197The knowledge and wisdom of God has been given to us by scripture. By following it, we can create the kingdom of heaven. We may not fully understand it (why are we born into sin, if it is contrary to the wisdom we are provided) but we can follow it. We can trust in it.Btw, do JWs consider themselves to be Israelites?
>>533807852GTFO
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Can't we just have white community without all the superstitious nonsense?
>>533813061You’re moving away from the text into speculation. Scripture explicitly says Solomon’s wisdom was God‑given and unparalleled. His fall is used to show that no human faculty, even perfect wisdom , can overcome the knowledge of good and evil.When you replace the text with imagination, you’re no longer interpreting Scripture; you’re creating alternatives to avoid its implications.The issue isn’t Solomon. The issue is that your framework can’t accept what the text actually says.Scripture says unbelief is a spiritual condition. I’m not accusing you personally, I’m saying the categories Scripture uses apply to all of us apart from grace.The issue isn’t you. The issue is the framework you’re using, which replaces revelation with imagination and cannot accept what the text explicitly says.
>>533807781After Armageddon is the messianic age -that why the Jews want it to happen asap. In Christianity it’s basically the same deal but Jesus Essentially the end of Gods curse in eden and man being with God again However since it can’t be paradise with people we don’t like, each group has a version in which only their people will be there .
>>533812141we don't know what jesus didthe best record you have was made up shit 70 years after his life lol
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>>533812271Copes«For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)«But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)«When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.» (Matthew 10:23)
>>533813453Wisdom logic and truth are all within the trinity along with holy spirit which is what you are really getting at.The Scripture says to get wisdom it says wisdom is the fear of the Lord and it says the fear of the Lord means to hate evil.So wisdom is choosing good in free will and that is what saves you. Some people don't know the scripture but the scripture says this too (in the Quran more specifically)So yes wisdom does save you but it just means trying to do good and eschewing evil as it says in the beginning of job. But you don't need scriptures to know that. Everyone can figure it out for themselves and make their own choice
Why is there a jewish offshoot cult general in my political board?
>>533813032What would have happened if Adam and Eve DIDN'T eat the fruit?>>533813298>Btw, do JWs consider themselves to be Israelites?Spiritual Israel. We believe blood Israel died and went extinct on 70AD. >>533813722Nothing you posted contradicted me.
>>533813933You’re redefining biblical categories into a moral system the text never teaches.Scripture never says wisdom saves you, it says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, not salvation.Salvation is not choosing good by free will. If that were true, Solomon’s God‑given wisdom would have saved him, and Paul’s entire argument in Romans and Galatians collapses.You’re merging Christianity, Islam, and moral philosophy into one system of self‑salvation. That’s not the "Trinity"(its called the Godhead in koinegreek), that’s a universal moral framework that Scripture explicitly rejects.The issue isn’t your sincerity. The issue is that your framework replaces revelation with moral effort and imagination, and Scripture does not teach that.Do you believe Jesus died on that cross in vain?
>>533814010You are a minority shut up and get a life
>>533814137It does. You'll just memory hole it to keep your jew worship going.Jesus and Paul preached an immediate eschatologyPaul even writes to a church he would be experience rapture himself lol
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>>533814151>Do you believe Jesus died on that cross in vain?How could he have died in vain if he is the most famous and successful person in history?Unless you meant it was vanity. Otherwise you are clearly too dogmatic accusative and dismissive for me. It's all there in the verses and yes it does say that round about. It says God will protect those who fear him etc...you use logic and you put it together. It's called reading comprehension but it's also common sense
>>533812271transfiguration, pentecost, ascension, etc and whatever cope you have fails to fulfill those verses because it explicitly says it will be the final judgment and every nation will see jesus in the clouds with an army lolyou tried to deflect but failed
>>533808311>we
>>533814335I'm not that good of a mind reader what's your fucking question. Jesus was a jew specifically the tribe of Judah and you would really have to look at that translation too to see if they actually said jew or Judah or Jude etc...
>>533814342You didn’t answer the question.I didn’t ask whether Jesus was influential.I asked whether His death was necessary.If wisdom, moral effort, or choosing good can save you, then the Cross is unnecessary.If the Cross is necessary, then wisdom and moral effort cannot save you.Scripture never says wisdom saves, it says Christ saves.So the question still stands:>If choosing good is what saves you, what was the purpose of the Cross?
>>533814443You have not answered my initial question tho.
>>533814485I told you it depends on what you mean by vain. Define that for me and I'll answer
>>533814440>wuz
Any Anglicans here?I hate the evangelical/non-denominational crap but I disagree with Catholic and Orthodox theologyThinking of going to one Sunday
>>533809868kawaii meme des(you)but you're wrong on initial premise (truth claims in greentext) doctrine and heresy. that Christ is both fully God and fully man means that God did suffer and die as a man, but was raised by the power of His endless life. that God has in Himself the attribute of "humility" means that He permits Himself to be affected, but not as humans are affected, as if to lose something, but to feel the grief and anger is something God chose to allow for Himself, not that it challenges His invincible joy and gladness. These items are in tension, but realities of Almighty God do not fit inside the paradigms of anon's mortal mind (and that's okay)
>>533814577Have you tried Pentecostal charismatic? It's one of the fastest growing christian bodies on earth right now.
>>533809868Their answer is simple. Yeshua had both a fully divine nature and a fully human nature and is the latter that suffered and died.
>>533813722>>533814382Nope you're just angry because I denied you your "Gotcha Christcucks!" Moment. That's why you can't admit to the error of your ways. I bruised your ego. But no, Jesus and Paul didn't preach an immediate eschatology because of these >>533808281>>533808323>>533808702>>533808983What you posted here was meant only for the Apostles. >>533811924 Matthew 16:27,28 was a self-contained prophecy meant only for the Apostles. It was fulfilled through the transfiguration in the mountain where only the Apostles were witnesses of. >>533812271 The rest of the verses you posted >>533813722 the rest of true Christianity will be witnesses of.
>>533814794That is pretty amazing when you think about it
>pic of me when god is sucking my dick and is actually a chick
>>533812850>amen to this>>533814676>also thisgo on get (you) some baptism in the Holy Spirit, for a transformed life of happy-holiness.
>>533814638That's the heresy of theopaschism.>>533814794That's the heresy of nestorianism.
>>533814836Heh. One on right is majoras mask. Where's my ocarina
>>533814836It's retarded cope actually. Like saying a glass of orange juice is both orange juice and kerosene.>>533814864No. Nestorianism is when Jesus is claimed to be two persons, not having two natures.
>>533814485The purpose of the cross was to pay for Adam's debt that was passed down to us genetically. Good deeds alone cannot save you because you still carry Adam's debt, aka, sin. When Jesus died, he covered Adam's sin perfectly as a perfect man. This allows mankind to have the opportunity to live through Jesus instead of dying through Adam. So now you are only accountable for just your sins, Adam's no more.
>>533814538Scripture uses vain to mean without purpose, empty, ineffective, not accomplishing what it was meant to accomplish.>If righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.It's stated precisely thus in 2:21 of Galatians. but if you don't want Paul, take Jesus's usage of it in a critique of religion.>"In vain do they worship me" Matthew 15:9.When Jesus says in vain do they worship Me, He defines ‘vain’ as worship that is outwardly religious but inwardly empty, because it is rooted in human tradition, human reasoning, and human effort rather than belief.The point is that religious behavior without faith accomplishes nothing. It looks godly, but it has no substance because it comes from human knowledge, not trust in God.This is why Jesus says the Father seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth, because true worship begins with belief, not human effort.Jesus defines worship as a response to truth, not a performance of religious behavior. Anything rooted in human wisdom, tradition, or moral effort is ‘vain’ in His own words, it imitates godliness but has no substance because it doesn’t come from faith.So the point still stands: what humans call ‘religion’ is not what Jesus calls worship. One is a human imitation; the other is the response of belief.
>>533814577I only have experience with Anglican, so no big frame of reference but is is very comfy. I think it really depends on the specific church you attend, not the denomination (for protestants). Lots of older folks at mine, but it is very grounded. The style and liturgy is very orderly and you take communion every Sunday. It's a bit like catholicism in style mixed with Anglo politeness/reservation in relation to the congregation, but I suppose everywhere is different.I like it alot, but it's not exactly going to be the most exciting church experience.
>>533807781Its imaginary.
>>533814676Im looking for a liturgical service but thank you for the suggestion
>>533815027No problem bro, you will find plenty of them in Africa.
https://pol.foundation/Happening.html
>>533814946There is no material difference between the two views; it's just semantics. Either way the human suffering can't affect the divine so the passion does not have infinite weight and is not meaningful.
schizo thread
https://pol.foundation/OTProphets.html
>>533814992Why do you consider Jesus as God? That too a monotheist one.
>>533814946Well maybe you can't think that deep but I see the paradoxes in the yin Yang. Free will and all that gives the ability to err and make mistakes so things are chaotic and such but also having God can fix all your mistakes and turn your shortcomings into blessings. God uses the weak to shame the strong and a child to confound the wise
>>533807781never forget
>>533814996I'm looking for it to be reverent and contemplative rather than entertaining. I've listened to a million "sermons" and never felt that spiritually moved. I kinda want to participate more. Thanks for the opinion. I got my book of common prayers so I'm gonna really give it a shot.
>>533815067I am with you, their theology is full of contradictions.>Euthyprho>EpicurusStill BTFOing the ontology of the abrahamic god to this day, apologists are struggling still.
>>533809211>batshitteryThis was made by redditor
>>533814864>Theopaschite herseyTheopaschite formula. FTFY"Theopaschite formula" finally paved the way for its vindication at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, of which canon 10 reads: "If anyone does not confess that our Lord Jesus Christ who was crucified in flesh is true God and Lord of glory and one of the holy Trinity, let him be anathema".
>>533815067I'm also tired of infinite nit-picking over semantic differences that don't really change how a Christian operates in day to day life. Live like Christ.
>>533815119The yin yang has nothing to do with christianity which it comfortably predates and I can't help you with your confirmation bias, so.
>>533811563paul was not alive during the time of jesus>of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. -Jeffersonhttps://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/1559
>>533814956>The purpose of the cross was to pay for Adam's debt that was passed down to us genetically. Good deeds alone cannot save you because you still carry Adam's debt, aka, sin. When Jesus died, he covered Adam's sin perfectly as a perfect man. This allows mankind to have the opportunity to live through Jesus instead of dying through Adam. So now you are only accountable for just your sins, Adam's no more.Your explanation divides sin into two categories, Adam’s sin, which Jesus removes, and your own sins, which you must handle.But Scripture doesn’t divide sin that way.ISAIAH says the Servant bears our iniquities, not just Adam’s.Jesus says He gives His life as a ransom for many, not for one ancestral sin.And the entire logic of the Cross is that Christ deals with sin as a whole, not in genetic segments.If Jesus only removed Adam’s sin, then you still die in your own sins, which means the Cross is not salvation but a partial repair.That’s not the category Scripture gives.seriously now.>if your own moral effort is required to deal with your sins, what was the purpose of the CrossThere are prophets you are now contradicting in the OT before the OT even gets to Jesus.
>>533809263It is a waste of time to talk to people who say things like this>In the sentence "I am God", the word "God" is silent. >The word "word" doesn't mean word in John. In this one singular document, the ancient greek word for word actually means "Jesus".>The trinity doctrine didn't exist until the 300s AD but the trinitarian formula appears in Matthew 28 because time travel. Eusebius quoted it wrong in his book. Also the apostles did baptisms wrong in the book of Acts.
>>533815128I would say it will be a good for for you then.
>>533807781The one thing that is definitely not going to happen from the bible is that Armageddon bullshit.
>>533814992Jesus chose to be good and that had an effect on others the same as anyone who does it. No I do not consider that vain in anyway or see how that could possibly apply
>>533809099brownoids dont exist in Heaven everyone will resemble angels
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>matthewMatityahu*>joshua Yehoshua*>isiahYeshayahu*>godYahweh*funny watching jew-lites try and paint over the origin of the text they base their existence on.
>>533815151Yep, there is a reason there are only fragments of Celsus and Porphyry left. It took christcucks 1800 years for Kierkegaard to admit that it is logically indefensible at it's core and to just say you must make a blind leap to faith anyways.See >>533815241, a rare follower of Kierkegaard (whether he knows it or not) who all but admits he cannot defend christianity through reason.>>533815241 Go call a shiksa a dog to live like christ
>>533815352Oh yah yah I c what you saying I'm tired
>>533815451Heaven/Hell is a meme concept. You percieve pain and pleasure because of your brain, when you die your brain dies.
>>533815370but one thing that is going to happen is (you) will dieand when you are before the Judgement Seat of Christ, and all you life laid bare before the Holy and Righteous One, what will be your plea? will you be able to plead the blood of Jesus? or will it be the second death for (you)? megiddo-shuffle or no, judgement comes for us all. >be reconciled with the Father of Glory through Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection, today.so long as it is called "today", today is the Day of Salvation. tomorrow is promised to none.
>>533815482Don't forget>paulRabbi Sha'ulA very western name
>>533815085>Why do you consider Jesus as God? That too a monotheist one.believers consider Jesus God because Jesus Himself identifies with the God of Abraham using the divine name revealed to Moses.When Moses asked God for His name, God said: ‘I AM WHO I AM.’When Jesus was challenged by the Pharisees, He said: ‘Before Abraham was, I AM.’He didn’t say ‘I existed before Abraham.’He used the divine name, the name only the God of Israel can use.His audience understood this immediately and tried to stone Him for blasphemy.They knew exactly what He was claiming: not to be a second god, but the very God of Abraham speaking in human form.This is why believers are monotheists.Jesus doesn’t introduce a new god, He identifies Himself as the One God who revealed Himself to Abraham and Moses.He reveals it himself, he with all the swagger of buck-breaking the priests.
Good thread. I’m an atheist and too cynical to ever have genuine faith but I do find religion fascinating, and I have read the Bible. Once when I was high on weed, I had an idea that I’m not sure is common knowledge or just my own interpretation, but I’ll lay it out here.I think the stories in the Bible may be real to a certain degree. Many of them are older than literacy itself, which means they were passed orally among Jewish tribes long before they were ever written down. That was common in many ancient cultures. Usually a tribe or community had certain people often elders who carried knowledge of the past and passed those stories to younger generations so that the memory would survive. Those people were often skilled speakers and storytellers, almost like the bards or actors of their time. But over thousands of years, stories naturally change. They evolve. Even so, they can still preserve a small core of truth. Often these stories also carried moral lessons. Everyone knows that game where one person whispers something into another person’s ear, and after it passes through many people the final version is different from the original. I think something similar happened with many Old Testament stories.
>>533809699>>533808096Christ was a Nazarene when He was here in human form. Nice try, kikes. You'll never disprove Christ to be the Son of God.>Lamentations 4:7 describes the former splendor of Jerusalem's leaders (Nazirites or princes) before the Babylonian destruction. They were "purer than snow" and "whiter than milk," with radiant, healthy complexions, in stark contrast to their later emaciated, dark, and unrecognizable state due to famine.
>>533815683For example, the story of God creating the world and then banishing Adam and Eve from Eden. My interpretation is that the hidden truth behind that story may be humanity’s transition from living as hunter-gatherers into becoming agricultural societies. Early humans lived much closer to nature, moving through the world rather than controlling it. Then eventually people learned how to farm, build cities, and create more complex societies. That dramatic change in the human way of life may have been remembered and passed down, but over thousands of years the story transformed into something symbolic an apple tree, a forbidden fruit, and a talking serpent. To me, the serpent especially feels more like mythic imagery than literal history. It just isn't believable that an actual snake started to talk.Another example would be the flood. During the Ice Age, sea levels were much lower than they are now. When the ice sheets melted, sea levels rose significantly. For example, there was once land connecting places that are now separated by water, such as Britain and mainland Europe. It’s possible that ancient people remembered a time when the waters rose and swallowed land that had once been inhabited. Of course, they would not have understood glacial melt or climate shifts, so over time the memory may have evolved into the story of a great flood, an ark, and pairs of every animal being saved. That part feels harder to believe literally, but the underlying memory of a real environmental event could still be there.
Apocalypse means unveiling.Armageddon means new beginning.Demon means knowledge.Angel means messenger.Elohim means gods.Adam-u means human kind...And all of the above, means nothing.
>>533815586Mind (citta) does not die. Mind is quantum. If you are conscious there is no logical reason to infer you would cease to be so as that is all that you know. You do not death. You see it but have you really experienced it? That could be an illusion so it cannot really be trusted to make wise decisions to think this way and we know for a fact it isnt
>>533815658Yes, but that's what Jesus claims. Why does his followers believe it?
>>533815586It's been proven your soul doesn't cease to exist after death. After our souls are judged we have the opportunity to be in the Heavens where no darkness shall exist. We will resemble the non decaying Angels but still look "human".
>>533815683Tru
>>533815378Jesus doesn’t describe goodness as a human choice.He says, >‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.’That means goodness isn’t something humans achieve, it’s an attribute of God’s being.So Jesus isn’t good because He chose goodness; He chooses goodness because He is Good.Your statement that Jesus ‘chose to be good like anyone else’ doesn’t match Jesus’ own definition.If only God is good, then Jesus’ goodness is not moral effort, it is divine identity.
>>533815713Even when you are alive, you can lose the sense of pain and even sense of self if hippocampus in your brain gets damaged.
>>533807781>>533815690Your favorite dead rabbi celebrated passover and fucking hannukah.There was no monotheistic yahwehist kingdom in Judea prior to the Persian intervention. Yahweh was one war god in a pantheon, even had a consort. The entire torah (old testament) is judeo-supremacist historical fiction, with elements stolen from zoroastrianism (the 3 magi). Exodus never happened, Moses didn't exist, Egypt never enslaved 'Israelites'.If you read the torah without dogmatic eyes, you will understand that the reason yahweh does everything is not morality, but his own glory.They are not my children, but my slaves.Everything yahweh does can be summed up as attempts to glorify himself and make others recognize him in his desire to achieve greater glory... In fact, when Yahweh wants to destroy the Israelites in Exodus, Moses changes “God's” mind, pointing
>>533807781The world will be cleansed of all goyim and 144,000 Chosen People will remain.
>>533815705>falsus in uno, falsus in omnibusarmeggedon means: "mountain of the crowd". it's a place. in northern israel (and some suggest it is a spiritual place also, but i doubt)nevertheless, it does not mean "new beginning">beware the perfidious leaf
>>533815696>Another example would be the flood.That's guaranteed. Countless societies had an almost identical flood myth. Indians, Chinese, Mesopotamians.
>>533815815>being.So Jesus isn’t good because He chose goodness; Which would be free will>He chooses goodness because He is GoodWhich means it's a program like a machine and no free will
>>533815781How is it proven? Even if soul exists, how can you assume it percieve reality as a living thing usually would?
>>533815334Jesus ransom also covers your sins as well. Since he was perfect he can cover your debt since you are lesser then him. Why couldn't previous men like Abel, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, David die for Mankind? Because they don't equal Adam in value. Adam was perfect, they are not.
>>533815846If they healed what was dead has become alive again how do you explain that
>>533808368I cant even imagine what this would be like. I'm so jaded.
>>533815370Why?>>533815451Pic related. More angelic then your pastey white hide.>>533815683What's your favorite Bible story?
>>533815990No one can cover for your sins apart from you. You will get what you deserve. Anyone claiming otherwise is coping.
>>533815986Who would deny they had a soul or spirit?
>>533816063Necromancy if you believe in magical stuff. Pretty common across various ethnic groups and cultures.
>>533815934>t. <oink> cast more pearls of wisdom <oink> <oink> feed my rage that i might <oink> <oink> accuse and slander in bad faith straw man argumentation and weaponized incompetence. some anons should cut their losses and ...>“Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.””Revelation 22:11
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>>533815752Christians believe Jesus’ claim because of how He made it and what it meant in His own culture.Anon he claimed the name that Moses was given, this posed incredible risk for him and yet he did it while retorting everything the priests spoke against him. In my case, the particular reason why i find most believers come to this belief is because what he said is universally applied to every single system of belief, including judaism and Christianity. God's not going to sugar coat or lie about any of it, So while you may get offended thinking God's Jewish because he used the cultural template and was born in the middle east as some sort of favoritism, his intentions aren't actually benefiting unbelievers categorically and the problem you may have believing it is entirely due to you interpreting unbelievers are representing God, when God represents himself and doesn't need them to do that, so when israel or some one else decides to do something stupid or evil, often times /pol/ will be barraged by kikes pretending like God favors them unconditionally based on their race rather than their belief that Jesus paid for their sins, which because their faith is false, while you can't know if someones saved, you can definitely tell what they say isn't what Jesus did and why he did it. Kikes pretend like Jesus is the best subversive tool they ever had, not understanding that what he did at the cross blanket condemned ALL religions and philosophies, and this includes Zionism and a whole bunch of other antiquities that try to lay claim to being jewish by association. The most crucial part is, its not because these systems are intentionally against him, they are against him by a state of nature, the fact that everything we do is based on the knowledge of good and evil, makes it basically partisan out of function against God. The book, conveyed that perfectly, when you look at what happened at the cross. Religion, which was supposed to support God, crucified him.
>>533816121I believe in soul, otherwise I would have existential crisis. But from rationalistic pov, soul can very well be a figment of imagination our brain created. Otherwise people suffering from demntia wouldn't have lost their sense of self.
>>533816168what is impossible for man is possible with God: The Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man.
>>533816193>Judaism is false>Let me prove it to you using Jewish scripture
>>533816168Out of context. Its not about atoning for sins here but believing in Yhwh.
>>533816089God didn't create darkness. He created 2 perfect people then after thousands of years different races formed because of peoples sin. All historical art of Adam and Eve and the Angels are White. Darkness is a curse.
>>533816241>rationalistic pov, soul can very well be a figment of imagination our brain created.That is not rational. You could be in the matrix where your estimation of reality is false but you are still going to have thoughts dreams ideas imagination emotions etc... and be at least somewhat sentient. I mean according to platos forms even things like geometric shapes apparently have souls or spirit that's like in another dimension or something
>>533816193Why support a supposed god who abandons his creation? Anyone who isn't a jew was abandoned by this god. Name one reason why they should worship this god.
...But that's really all conjecture id say
>>533816193But how can you be sure that Jesus was not just pretending to be God? Its not uncommon for individuals to commit blasphemy and call themselves God.
