What are your thoughts on CRT TVs? Do old TV shows/movies really look better on them? Would you get one if you could?
>>533810212NES/SNES/SEGA feel right on them.
>>533810212They had a blur instead of pixels.
>>533810212Is that yours? Nice Trinitron if so. It's annoying how expensive they have become 15 years ago you had to pay someone to carry them off.
>>533810212This is a /g/ topic really.
>>533810212Like having a Jew in your living room
Are there turtles in those boxes?
>>533810356Yup. I sold a Sony Fw900 monitor 15 years ago for 100 bucks. Now it's 3-5k on Ebay. I still want a 30 inch monitor, though.
>>533810274Based fpbp
>>533810356It's not a Trinitron because the screen isn't flat.
>>533810212>that color bandingYeah, definitely superior tech bro.
>>533810356actually mad. back in 2015 i used to just grab em off the curb and had one or two running static in every room, was comfy
>>533810959>>533810982Further proof that /pol/ is just straight up illiterate about technical stuff
I haven't played my PS2 in a long time so this isn't an issue right now, but I absolutely will be doing so in the future -- so I wonder how to get much better image quality with those old systems. I'd really hate to keep using that tiny little CRTV (games look great, but way too small), or the big flat-panel (big, compact screen, but makes the games look like SHIT).
>>533810212They look better for videogames. Nobody ever said tv shows and movies “looked good” at home, we simply didnt care because the fact you could even watch them at home was the impressive part.
>>533810959Says trinitron on the corner, stupid. Also most games from that era were designed with the that level of definition in mind. This is most noticeable in games like Sonic and Mario RPG
>>533810784You couldn't find the /g/ spot if it squirted on your dumb face
>>533811011Based white noise enjoyer
>>533810356TriniTON is what us delivery guys called them. Fucking beasts.
i got an old bigass zenith that survived from the 90s. im keepin it around for nostalgia purposes, it was in use until about 10 years ago so that nigga is old and got damn good mileage, shoutout to fuckin zenith
>>533810212I've always had the thought of one day turning one of those bad boys into an aquarium.
What a great question, I never thought about it! lolNow I will, think about it, contemplate and whatnot.
>>533811080The Trinitron namebrand was special because of Sony's patent which expired in '96, there are good sets from early 00's from other brands but sony will always be the king of that era
>>533810212I still have a 36" hitachi that has no signs of aging from 2000. Weird it's lasted that long.
>>533811269https://crtdatabase.com/crts/hitachi/hitachi-36udx10sIt was a little later, I was wrong. I forgot, didn't watch 9/11 on this one.
>>533810212CRTs are all used up They do not display colors anywhere near what they did when they were new Only retarded faggots covet these outdated pieces of trashImagine having an old, beat up, OLED monitor with severe burn-in 20 years from now and acting like it is some sort of magical, high-fidelity technology.Truly only for blind consumerist fools.
>>533810784it's spammed all over the place
>>533811256I know the history behind the trinitron name, as soon as the patent expired every manufacturer came up with their own TRON clone
>Shooting yourself with a cancer gun for Le epic cartoonsJust how retarded are you?
>>533810212It's embarrassing what you used to have to pay for a TV.Why would anyone ever want to go back to those pieces of shit.
>>533810274Also you can use classic light guns with them
>>533810212CRTs are great but only for old media. For some reason they are a fad and got really expensive. As an owner of 6 of them because I have kept mine from a long time ago and repaired them, never overpay for one, it's not worth it. You should never pay over $15 for one. Look at garage sales and pawn shops. Just be patient
>>533811340No, stupid. The reason people want these screens is because older games do in fact look better. Unless you have an HD post, most games will look pixelated and will lose some graphic effects. Look at SMB2, sonic, Mario RPG and you’ll see a difference.
>>533811446psh lethal enforcers is better, time crisis was only cool because of the slide and pedal
>>533811340A 4k fpga scaler costs 700 fucking dollars and camera based light guns are shit. Ain't no replacement for a cheap ray gun if you can find one.>inb4 video games are le bad argument
>>533811390>cancer gunAre you fucking retarded?
>>533810212>What are your thoughts on CRT TVs? zoomer fad. like vinyl records>Do old TV shows/movies really look better on them? No>Would you get one if you could?we all ditched them for flat screens 20 years ago. the shittiest 1st gen LCDs were wildly better than CRTs. Modern OLEDS completely blow them out of the waterIt's just hipster shit
>>533811503From my experience they don't just look "better" -- playing old stuff like the PS2 on a flatscreen is a disaster, it literally looks like the screen was smeared in muddy Vaseline.
>>533811503Nta, but it really depends. I have some old consoles hooked up to a late 80s tv I use the old antenna hook up for (I forget the name, af cable?) and it looks horrible compared to something even like the average cables on a newer crt. Tbh even emulators look way better but that doesn't really mean it's not worth playing authentically with the old hardware. Sometimes I feel just playing the games the way they were meant to be played goes a long way
>>533811647Can relate. My PS2 looks way better on a small crt vs a flat screen. The flat screen just makes it blurry
>>533810212Use bt.1886 color profile for the CRT look in older SDR media.
I moved from CRT to a flat screen in 2006, and when I did, I thought "holy shit this looks so much better".So, no, CRT is not better.That was a 20yo 25" piece of shit that did 1440x762
>>533811503>No, stupid. You're a seething faggot.
>>533811614Apparently another person who doesn't play old games on original hardware. I've heard about cables and particular flat-panels that work just fine, but I don't have any experience with that stuff yet (as, again, I'm busy with old '90s roms for the time being).
>>533811647That’s because you’re forced to converting analog signal to digital and having to stretch the screen. Looks like dogshit unless you’re willing to spend more money than it would cost to get a decent CRT from a scalper>>533811648There were shit-tier TV’s from that era, just like there are now
>>533811803>ad-homSure kidStay mad
>>533811861Right but that doesn't mean they were all inherently bad
>>533811712Only for older stuff though. bt.1886 in modern SDR is too dark
>>533811804>old games on original hardwarehipster shit. that's your problem. it's an extremely niche use case, and like hitting yourself in the nuts with a claw hammeremulators were already better than original hardware 20 years ago, and have only improved.you don't NEED frame perfect 1:1 hardware emulation unless you're doing turbo autistic shit like participating in ranked speedrunning
>>533810212Nah they don't look better.CRT TVs had low resolution, low pixel density, the image wasn't so crisp as on a 4K TV we have today.Not really nostalgic about those TVs, they were crap.Also they attracted a ton of dust and always produced electrostatic charges.
>>533810212They fuck your eye sight up.
>>533811861There are supposedly good solutions though. Like ...*checks notes*...Component cables or a Sony LCOS. Just hearsay.
36" JVC here. I like it.
>>533811961Emulating cartridge-based stuff is good and easy. I'm not familiar with doing it with disk-based stuff, and I'm not sure I want to. In that case I want to own everything (if for no other reason than disk-based is when games started to feel like they were genuinely worth the price).
>>533811340For blacks, OLED's didn't get better until the last couple generations. I had a 1600x1200 21" ViewSonic P810 that was better quality than every monitor I've had in the last 20 years until my MSI 322URX. I got high on a half ounce of shrooms once and threw it across the room and it worked fine, I doubt the MSI would do the same.
>>533811928>no, stupid>complains about ad homYou are an aids-infested seething faggot.
>>533812094>Emulating>Disc based stuffwe were doing it in the 90s, while the original PSX was still the current gen. you could literally walk in to EB at any mall and buy an emulator off the shelf at one point
>>533810212They ruined movies but enchanced video games and televion of that era. There are just some things tthat were made for CRT knowing that's all there was. Other things were not meant for CRT - look up pan and scan
>>533811046Purchase or build an upscaler. It isn't perfect by any means, but it makes my ps2 and gamecube look decent on my more modern tv
>>533812303Yeah, I recall talk of that stuff. It was...controversial. Anyway, I hold my PS2 collection dear and only wish to see it grow.
>>533811941I agree, Sony did actually have good shit back then>>533812196Sure kidStay mad
>>53381021210/10 would recommend.Get a Sony Trinitron, earlier model. Or a Zenith, if you’re going for console-era. If you’re interested in a PC monitor, can’t go wrong with a Viewsonic.
>>533810307CRTs did not have motion blur
>>533812376Yeah, I've heard about those. ....BUILD one?!
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>>533812447>repeating himselfSeething faggot confirmed. Your misery makes me feel good about myself.
>>533810212No, but neither are lcd/oled shit either. The only reason those exist is because they're cheaper to make and thus dominate the market. Plasma was unironically the best because it didn't have the backlight flicker that fucks with your brain, often leading to sleep issues.
>>533812463The video games of the time did, but indeed, the refresh rate is in fact superior to all but the most modern OLED displays, they are actually preferable and noticeably so when playing modern FPS on them(especially compared to a laptop display from 2015-2022).
>>533810212CRTs are amazing. I could play Duck hunt again properly. If you fuckin faggots can find me a VHS copy of the original Star Wars films before they added in all their cartoony CGI bullshit starting in 98 or so we’ll really be talking then. I’ve still got a VHS player and plenty of tapes let’s do this
>>533812463They had a certain level of blur, which game developers took advantage of in many cases
>>533810356I fucked up when I got rid of my sweet 24" trinitron monitor. Should have kept it. It was so heavy it dent my desk top.
>>533812524Sure kidStay mad
>>533812475Yessir game is fuckin goated.
>>533812578I have those, already digitized, including the original theater release version of Episode IV.
>>533812575All the colors just blend so much better on a CRT
>>533811133CRT TVs also made a high pitch static sound that always kicked on immediately when you switched them on, but before the sound from the speakers or stereo would kick in. Anyone else know what I’m talking about? Anyone know what that was? I know it wasn’t tinnitus in my own head. I tested it lots of times over the years. Turn the TV on, hear it, speakers then started making sound. When I shut the TV off it would go away. I think every CRT tv I ever had did this.
>>533812671Now THIS is pod racing! Still love the sound effects in that game. And the first couple early PC games.>>533812575
>>533812088Checked and I still have my 36" Toshiba i bought around 2000. Works fine.
>>533812597every emulator has had a scanline implementation since the 90s.there's literally no difference
>>533810212Why is that guitar bridge so weirdWhat's that, Yamaha ?What model
>>5338117422006 flat screens looked like complete dogshit compared to high end CRTs for a decade after that. You're a retard or had a garbage CRT. I bought one but immediately recognized the shittier quality.
>>533811340I have a big CRT but I haven't turned it on in like 5 years
>>533812447Even regardless if the tech was considered good for the time, this doesn't negate the fact that old tech looks miles better on older displays.
>>533812752yeah, that was some sort of coil whineit sounds identical to tinnitus, so much so that's how I describe itit was annoying as fuck as a kid, you could literally HEAR the TV powered on in the other room, even if it was on mute. i probably couldn't hear it any more though
>>533812752I think it’s the 60hz from the electric current, not entirely sure though
>>533812796I didn’t know that
>>533811558What is that? >my niche game is better than the game all of you know
>>533812688Checked. You literally cannot argue with that, you are 100% technically correct as well as being obviously empirically correct when viewed side by side.
>>533812967>>533812968Thanks bros I appreciate the responses. When I was younger and I asked boomers about it they’d just stare at me.
>>533810212I love my CRT’s always have. Was going to inherit a super rare 2003 gray 16:9 widescreen (yes widescreen) 1080i 720P flat face CRT TV but the greatest generation brought it back to costco in 2007 and got a full refund and replaced it with a shit $800 washed out LCD. Soon after costco changed the rules to prevent people from returning 5-10 year old TV’s for full refunds no questions asked. Get really sad knowing how much that widescreen would be worth nowadays and how awesome OG Xbox and PS1 are widescreen games would be on it. I believe it was a Sharp or Toshiba maybe a Panasonic. I also believe it could run 720P / 1080i images despite being a CRT. Sad it is long gone, many such cases. Happy with by 32” Triniton I got for $10 at a garage sale back in 2023
>>533813101Yes as an adult it is barely audible, as a kid you get used to it quickly if the TV is used daily, it can easily turn into white noise in the background, but if you rarely turn it on it bothers the young kids bigly
>>533813207I think I’ll take a trip to southern Mexico and buy CRT’s at a massive discount. You can find vintage Coca Cola shit and older tech for pesos on the pennies down there
>>533812796No the emulated scanline produce a darker image, obscuring the details and colors
>>533813101Once you reach a certain age, you can’t hear it, but also, most normal people don’t seem to hear that high of a frequency either. Interestingly, there’s a high concentration of people here(as discussed many times through the years) who have hearing abilities well outside the “normal” range. In the case of TV’s, the whine is primarily caused by the fly back transformer, and the huge amount of voltage being generated(not to mention the capacitance involved) to power the extremely large vacuum tube electron gun for the display, which also generates a magnetic field. It’s definitely a well documented phenomenon in technical literature as well.
>>533813333Quads wills itIt is my destiny to venture to spicland and steal treasure from old beaners that barely know how to read
>>533813371or the C1 is simply a brighter display than the 25 year old JVCI'd be willing to bet if you turned down the brightness you couldn't tell the difference between the two images. certainly not while it's moving and you're sitting on the couch ten feet awayCRT autism is solely due to blown up still images
>>533813371Not to mention the fact that pixelation is literally inherently an issue with LCD technology, which CRT is able to completely avoid. The only reason people associate CRTs with blocky graphics is due to the game systems of the time.
>>533810212Everything looks better on CRT. Also, the CRT is our source of life, and spiritual light. The LCD is an entity of great evil. The demonic cultists, used rituals most foul to to bewitch the minds of men such that they would choose the LCD over the perfection of the CRT. The process of corruption was going steady, but it was not enough, the CRT was not dying fast enough, so in the late 2000s they launched an all out assault on the hidden order that had guided men from the shadows for centuries, the slaughtered the sacred priests, and defiled the hidden temples. Without the blessings of the sacred priests, CRT factories suddenly found they could no longer produce CRTs, this is why CRTs seemingly vanished overnight. Few know this but the CRT is not an entirely mundane device, it cannot be constructed through purely mechanical means. The CRT is the closest representation of god that can exist in the physical plane. The CRT is the most sacred object that can exist. To bask in the light of the CRT is the highest form of worship. Most have lost their way, and are spiritually dead, few walk the true path. I am one of the few, in this very moment, am basking in the light.
>>533813412Don’t do it, anon. If the cartels get a hold of you, you’ll be lucky if even part of you arrives back to the States. 0/10 would not recommend.
>>533813707I’m going to do it and will report back with my finds
>>533813412Go to rural America instead, on Craigslist specifically, or pick up the local Trader’s Guide/classified ads, or even hit up the small town bulletin boards (as in the literal cork boards IRL outside/in the entrance of some public places). Facebook marketplace if you’re interested in dealing with their shithead drug addict kids who inherited or stole it.
>>533813412Also:
>>533813333whoa checked hit trips, no bad at all. I too will head south of the border to grab TV’s from the cartel before they realize how bad they got burned. And check out a donkey show or two while I’m there, heard the tacos are decent at the shows
>>533813919Quads. Those are quads.
>>533813919Hit quads I mean my bad fren
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>>533812937you should buy an old famicom and knockoff everdrive and get good
>>533811558Lethal enforcers was one of the best. I fucking love almost every light and pedestal gun arcade game ever made though. Still think space gun and area 51 were my favorites
>>533811340all of mine look great like the day they were made. sure there are shitty washed out burned in monitors out there, such as old store display cashier screens and what not , but there is also ton of tvs in great shape with awesome colors. Nothing comfier than a CRT playing ALF theme song> https://youtu.be/2hBSMInlDGg?si=GuNjRQaSTUZQYdSQ
>>533814113excellent taste anon all exquisite specimens
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>>533810212Replacing these with digital makes sense when you lookup the US patents on screen refresh rates and mind control.Screen refresh rates are a tool of modern mk ultra. Sounds crazy but it is true.
>>533812792Toshiba made some of the best, that has great style anon really improves the room perfect size too
>>533812475Love the built in 7 sequence LCD clock on the bottom right, really rare to see nowadays
>>533814245I run both new and old at the same time to cancel them all out. Seems to help
>>533813395Thanks bot bro that’s great to learn
This has been one the best threads in a while.
>>533810356>Is that yours? Nice Trinitron if so. It's annoying how expensive they have become 15 years ago you had to pay someone to carry them off.yeah?how much? i have 2 sittting around
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>>533810212I'm a poor, and I don't care much about watching TV shows or movies. I had a CRT until about 2011, and then just didn't give a shit. When I do watch shit, it's been on cheap/old 20-27" monitors. Passing TVs in electronics or department stores, the shit they're playing doesn't look right to me. It's repulsive, and I just wanna get away from the wall of TVs as fast as possible.I've heard that the Blu Ray releases of the TMNT movies are a hard watch because you can clearly see the mouths of the actors inside the suits. I imagine there's a lot of weird shit like that that doesn't translate.
>>533810212I have a huge accumulation of videotapes. For several years you could buy as many as you pleased essentially for shipping from eBay. These are not commercially produced tapes; it's stuff people recorded off of TV, home movies and the like. That video quality doesn't lend itself to hi res panel screens. You need CRT televisions to enjoy watching a lot of that stuff.And it's the best; it reflects the life people led in the period between roughly 1978 and 2003. Comfy shit.
They were fucking dangerous.One the size of a small table fell off a ledge that partially collapsed one day and would have killed me if I was a foot or something closer kek
>>533812752>CRT TVs also made a high pitch static sound that always kicked on immediately when you switched them on, but before the sound from the speakers or stereo would kick in. Anyone else know what I’m talking about?yeah...u can hear it in certain albums if the recording studio had crt monitors too close to mics
>>533810212I wouldn't say better, rather the flaws are harder to see. If you were not watching something filmed very well or top tier animation or video game graphics, and most things weren't, it would all become more or less homogenized in the screen.
>>533810212if youre not already into CRTs and dont have a couple trinitrons and PVMs, dont bother in 2026.if you have never used one or its been years. just get upscalers. theyve come a long way and theres pretty much no input lag. or even emulators. many are perfectly accurate now and have a lot of nice features.i say this as a former buyfag/collectorfag.i had tons of crts. worked on them and sold them and let people borrow them for events all the time.the supply is drying up and now boomers think their piece of shit shadowmask magnavox with more burn-in than visible screen is worth $250 now.it was much different getting into this stuff when people put amazing condition trinitrons on the porch and listed them on CL as "free if you can move it"
>>533810212I think they are pushing this shit recently as "the latest thing" for gamers. Get a 4k Oled and plug your gaming pc into it.
>>533810212They can. And I'll say this topic is political because economics does not let go of efficiency once implemented. Once around the late 2000s there was in fact an effort to ameliorate CRT technology, this tech was called SED or FED, both differed in their approach but ultimately it was a CRT backlit LCD, you ended up with something similar to an OLED with only a tiny bit of bulk. Unclear how this bulk scaled with larger displays. Anyway 2008 happened and they figured nobody was going to buy an extra expensive TV when 400$ got the average joe a 40" 720p McTelevision.From an economic perspective and knowing how LCDs are made (and OLED to some extent), this made sense for big tech as they could now readily tap the mother glass for plenty of smartphone displays as the economy of scale made its home here. Now zoomers are fascinated with retro 2000s tech, but you won't find much obvious or immediate incentive for the companies to make a dumb phone, an ipod refresh or a sub 150$ point and shoot camera. Maybe that's changing given people's surprisingly dedicated interest on the matter. The board demands numbers go up. They aren't chaperones of culture or human experience. This is the dilemma, can economies sustain even a small demand, at consumer scale of new CRT televisions and monitors? They're heavy, they're large, so the shipping cost is high, the components are no longer produced at scale, but, if you're willing to pay 1200$ for a new 32" CRT... maybe?
>>533816990i paid $700 for a jvc multisystem i-art or whatever 27" crt in 2000... my parents still have it, i didnt realize they've become so expensive lately
>>533810784How do you consume the news? Through an LED display? Lol
>>533810274Ps1 is pretty good too
>>533817246They stopped making all that "dumb" tech, many ended up getting tossed by the early and mid 2010s. Many simply died out from wear and tear. Nobody knows how many camcorders and cd players still exist in a functioning state, every one might be a last one. There might be a depot somewhere of goods that were seized and forgotten. But what we do know is that they (mostly) stopped making them.
>>533817577https://youtu.be/4dZL6oZTomY?si=0o_d2VuY8zg7GukM
>>533810212We got unparalleled processing power yet we lost all originality or fun.
>>533817652"dumb" furniture used to be sturdy amish real wood to hold these behemoth tv's that weigh as much as 3 zoomers... it's crazy to think that was the world where airplanes had 20 or more crt's hanging from the ceiling and big nazi like jet engines to push it all into the air
>>533811340Its just fucking hipsters man.They evolve to match the times, but fundamentally they never change.
i dont even think modern houses or "smart" homes would even be able to support the weight of a waterbed
>>533812303I remember buying this emulator at either an OfficeMax or a Staples.
>>533818143Yeah well you can't really yell stop on a moving train. Margins get sucked up, taken for granted, they become structural and if earnings are missed by a dime the company risks going under. The furniture wasn't efficient, often it was simple or even crude, but many pieces were a delight. Truth is, it's less expensive to take saw dust, mix it with epoxy or whatever, it's also lighter, more consistent. It's essentially an upcycled waste product. Shipping is a bitch, moving it is a bitch. Those CRTs used to be tiny though, the main projector screen was where the magic happened. The average CRT weighed over 100lb sometimes over 200lb, this was a strain on furniture and an aging population. They also were shit with humidity, guzzled electricity, ran hot, weren't especially bright, and because the TV worked through a symphony of electrical rather than monolithic components, they could partially fail in a number of ways, luckily you could always call a TV repair man to fix it for like 20$
crts had soul
>>533818485btw not a single lcd/led/oled has better black reproduction than a CRT you get from a dumpster, even if you spend 50k for a panel
>>533810212CRT TVs and monitors draw every frame pixel by pixel, line by line, from left to right, top to bottom. As a result they have little to no motion-blur, and a high maximum resolution. They don't have any input lag from upscaling, like a modern LCD or LED screen has. For all of these reasons, they are the superior technology for gaming and film/tv watching. In a lot of ways, they were actually overbuilt and and ahead of their time.
>>533818462i miss crt's and incadescent lighting being the only heater i needed in winter, that and old pentium computers, and the big rack stereos and vcr that flashed 12:00... zoomers have no idea what's been taken from them
it's not about what they did- it's about what they didn't do
it's unironically superiorother than the large space used
>>533818557ask me how i know
>>533818596They can't read analog clocks, I sincerely doubt their ability to be able to program it to the current time.
>>533818746having it flash instead was comfier at night instead of setting it
>>533818666i've spent over a milly on panelsthese days you should just go plasma if you care about blacks/colorsyou wont find a crt in the sizeand even plasmas are hard to get these days
>>533818596Yeah I mean they had a lifespan, and you could watch a CRT turn into dust, the good times were probably in the first few years, so, some people might have a memory of CRTs as a fuzzy, dim mess without HDMI. As for lighting, there's a whole rabbit hole about the light spectrum. They're just also terribly inefficient at lighting, you can do with 6 watts what a 60 watt bulb would do but without any waste heat. scale that up to 3-4 lights on at once, especially in a place where electricity ain't cheap and it's some serious cost savings, it makes less sense if power is cheap or if you're in a cold climate because the waste heat isn't waste it's actually taking a bit of load off your heater. Old pentiums can kind of go fuck themselves, but there was a beauty in the simplicty of early windows, sure no drivers would autoinstall, you'd have to reboot every time you plugged in a peripheral, etc. But being able to map the computer's processing in your brain's working memory instead of a black box was really informative. They'll never know the bargain that was agreed upon in their absence, oh they might understand it numerically, but they'll only know that they want something different, double plus good-er. They don't know they're meant to miss it, as we do.
>>533818877i miss when jews only came to repossess your furniture or electronics instead of everything else, those were the days... no one ever thought they'd go homeless with their music, vcr tape and dvd libraries then
>>533818877>so, some people might have a memory of CRTs as a fuzzy, dim mess without HDMI.bitch close your eyes and press degauss
tldr the greenie retards who don't want you to have air conditioning are who ruined panelsshit made 20 years ago is much much better than anything made todayunless all you care about is blinding whites
>>533818867>i've spent over a milly on panelswhat the FUCK bro
>>533810212Only old videogames that look like ass if the dismal pixel count doesn't help hide the ugly art.
>>533810212No they don't.I rejoiced on the day LCDs were being introduced.
