It's actually virtually *impossible* to become a billionaire without creating an immense amount of wealth for other people.Billionaires usually employ hundreds to tens of thousands of other people, to say nothing of creating products, goods and services that are so valuable people are prepared to voluntarily part with their hard-earned money in exchange.People want to hate on big tech oligarchs and there's a lot to dislike, but the one thing you definitely can't argue is they haven't created wealth for other people.How many millionaires are there just because Google, YouTube and other platforms exist? How many people have a good job because of them?In communist societies and dictatorships, the best way to create wealth is using power to control "state" resources. That's why most Russian billionaires are very close friends and allies of Vladimir Putin. In a capitalist society, the best way to create wealth is to solve other people's problems for money at scale.https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/2047417960843870660
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>>533815513Where do you get the billions from if it isn't stolen from other people?
>>533815513>It's actually virtually *impossible* to become a billionaire without creating an immense amount of wealth for other people.It's extremely easy to do it without creating wealth if you inherit it. Or if you become one by hyperinflation.
>>533815513>You cannot refute this.Dude... leftoids don't "refute". They just stick their fingers in their ears and start chanting I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU. Nuanced arguments and logic are wasted on them.
>>533815513nope mr memeflag faggotall of these players in the industry got enormous funding from either ngo entities using federal funds or directly from the federal government it's so plainly not anything even near capitalism because the government is literally a central planning entity running the economy with direct control
>>533815556If those other people thought the goods they purchased were not worth the money, they were free to keep the money. They didn't have to spend it. Unless you're talking about the government (The US government is properly multi-trillionaire, but why split hairs?), in which case it was literally stolen at gunpoint.
Daily reminder that Konstantin approves of child molesters, and will go out of his way to platform them.
>>533815556Kikes print money all the time.
>>533815513I'm a business owner, top 1% income. Why is it that you poors have this obsession with entrepreneurs creating jobs like its some charitable work we do. None of us went into business to create jobs. We either start a business to make money, or because we're passionate about something. If entrepreneurs loved creating jobs so much, why are they laying your asses off so fast with AI uptake?Creating jobs in just a side effect of scaling a business. If I was able to run my business alone, I wouldnt randomly hire people just for the hell of it.
>>533815513Konstantin is Jewish. I refuse to read his blogpost
>>533815672Those industries exist because people choose to spend money on the products they make. If you run a car company and no one wants to buy your cars then you go out of business. There isn't a state run car company making a US version of a lada.>>533815779No one's saying it's charitable work, it's just an obvious fact. If someone runs a huge business then it creates lots of other jobs to keep that business going.
>>533815513Billionaires in capitalists are generally created by abusing the broken idea of the public company and loans for LLCs.If the company is a public LLC, if there are any plans to go public in the future or, worst of all, if private equity has influence over the company at all then the company will neither focus on its actual product nor its workforce. I've worked for large private companies with minimal outside influence, they still had to follow regulations and ESG still has some effect since without some ESG you will be denied access to large parts of most markets, but the company was heaven compared to most typical dystopian stock maxxing ESG maxxing quarterly rapport maxxing LLC's.
>>533815513The "Russian" oligarchs sure created a lot of value for other people.
>>533815513Riveting tale. What happens when everyone gets fired because of automation & AI, when the federal government gets 50+% of its revenue from income taxes? Billionaires don't have an income, because the overwhelming majority of their net worth is in unrealized capital gains, and you can't tax unrealized capital gains. Furthermore, explain how it's in the interest of national security to have all the wealth, assets, and power in the hands of a few people who are super mobile, have citizenship & property in other countries, and can leave at literally any time? Why would they stay here if they don't need American workers' skill sets and the country is completely broke and imploding?
>>533815908That's justnot true if you run a car business and no one is buying your cars as long as your rich and well connected enough you get a government bail out look at all the Airline CEOs that lines their pockets with the bailouts they got
>>533816069>because the overwhelming majority of their net worth is in unrealized capital gains, and you can't tax unrealized capital gains.Although taxing unrealized capital gains might be one of the most retarded economics policies possible that doesn't stop politicians from proposing it.It's on the table or being worked on for future proposals in several western nations and a law to tax unrealized capital gains was passed this year in the Netherlands, it will go in effect in 2028. Hopefully it doesn't actually go into effect or the entire world is in jeapordy. Rotterdam is in the Netherlands and it's the largest port of Europe and worse yet is that ASML is dutch.If ASML collapses it risks setting back chip manufacturing several decades and it might collapse the entire worlds chip manufacturing supply lines after a short time unless the transfer of knowledge is done in a careful manner.
>>533815513>It's actually virtually *impossible* to become a billionaire without stealing an immense amount of wealth from other peopleftfy, you fucking pilpul kike
>>533815513Kys shill
>>533815710>they were free to keep the money. They didn't have to spendStupid ramblings of a shill. I do not want to buy corporate slop. But I am in competition in the markets they rigged with their greed and demonic brands, so I can only choose what they have. Example: I must use Microsoft products to do business in Europe, Teams and Exchange are the norm. If I miss events due to the very unfortunate Microsoft bugs in their external APIs, I am out of business.>>533815908>If someone runs a huge business then it creates lots of other jobs to keep that business going.Not anymore. Re-read >>533815779. And the lack of accountability and self-direction of "employees" alone is a catastrophe. And the extracted value and big corporate slack are way worse.
>>533815588True. I wonder what percent of billionaires are inherited vs created.
>>533815513No they're stealing the labor value from all their employees they actually plundered all that wealth. Amazon is the means of production and workers have the right to seize it. Amazon delivery centers and distribution networks just sprung up magically and are a community resource. Random negros from da community should be able to just walk in grab a piece of that.
>>533816566Would they have to inherent the whole billion or would you include people who just a large lump sum inference lets say above 100 million along with a business that allowed them to build billions
>>533815556>Where do you get the billions from if it isn't stolen from other people?You start a company, go public, the company is valued highly so all of a sudden your share is worth billions. You didn't take money from anyone. That's the most common type of billionaire.
>>533816069>majority of their net worth is in unrealized capital gains>people who are super mobileThis is somewhat contradicting. Not with current tax laws, of course, but in principle. The propaganda solution is to frame the rich as bound to the nation with their production facilities, and bury the problem of accountability, which is at the core of their decision making.>>533816316>risks setting back chip manufacturing several decadesThat gives life a few more decades.
>>533816915>You start a company, go publicI've built several "companies". Before even starting, you have to acquire millions if you want to have any chance in a billionaire society. With automated AI entrepreneurs cutting off people from capital, this is rapidly becoming impossible
>>533816864Once you are above the accredited investor limit, you have to be extremely stupid, degenerate or ethical to avoid becoming super rich.
>>533815513Capitalism has not existed in generations. We need to get rid of the Jewish financial instruments before we can have a fair assessment on any other economic concept.
>>533815513Billionaires don't create wealth. That wealth exists in the fixed money supply regardless. If Jeff Bozo didn't buy a megayacht other people would have spent that money on other things. Probably better things too like guns or tools.
>>533817103So just a normal ethical person wouldn't become a billionaire just a multimillionaire because I feel a lot of these guys don't know how large a billion is
>>533815513>In communist societies and dictatorships, the best way to create wealth is using power to control "state" resources. That's why most Russian billionaires are very close friends and allies of Vladimir Putin.falsein all societies, the best way to create wealth is to be good enough that the dictator or people in charge need you to keep staying in power, then you get to control the resources>In a capitalist society...the best way to create wealth is to solve other people's problems for money at scale.a capitalist society is a society in between, where growth is possible in the first place>once growing becomes gradually more difficult because civilizations hit a soft cap of population numbers, space, resources, credits, opportunity, and lmao euphemisms, they pass from market base to system basethen the best way to create wealth is to be good enough that the dictator or people in charge need you to keep staying in power, then you get made laws that favor you being done
>>533815513>leftist memes
>>533817132UK police wants to manage the risk of criminal eyeball movements, and carrying your food wrappers in a van is a crime.The EU recently wrote "making it exceptionally challenging for investigators, especially due to the lack of national legislation addressing these crimes".Yet, proposing zero tax to 5M, rising to 100% at 10M, while banning employment and landlording, that is totalitarian communism. It would create ownership and small companies with accountability. Primary incentives would be to make good products instead of capturing the market by any means and using that power to hide from the outcomes. And the government would need to let people retire to get any tax revenue, instead of trying to enslave citizens like they currently do.
>>533817189My experience is that sane people stop when they got a good house and enough to eat well and go on holidays. Essentially acknowledging that other people got needs, too, and a worse position to satisfy them. Live and let live. The hoarders and control freaks who can not stop are the problem. They are like the mice who get fat in common captivity, never stopping. If we would go communism again, these people shape shift and use any means to get into the Politburo and max its inherent tyranny.
Retarded or just pretending? (You) want better wages but you go off on a tangent about immigrants deserve to live? Those imported bodies are there to keep your wages down. More bodies = more competition for said job = more reason for corp to lower the wage for the job. And commies dont understand people doing fuck all during capitalism will be doing even more fuck all during communism. There was a reason all the commie states forced people to work, often at threat of physical punishment, death, or indefinite prison. Oh and billionaires still existed during the commie state; never actually went away.
>>533817634This >>533817429 is not freedom either, just a very minimal solution with essentially three laws to let people direct their own lives in a situation with limited resources and dense opposing interests. In particular for the unfolding AI problem.
>>533817745I'm out, I'll go cycling, and then I'll visit the Rabbi. Roast my ass or let the thread 404, your choice.
>>533815556In theory, Google and Facebook got their billions from adds and selling your data in exchange for free products like Gmail. In practice, most of it was valuation in the stock market, because a lot a people wanted to get rich betting on them.
>>533815513If I wasn't obvious, konstantin is a proud Jew.
keynesian faggotry is just communism with ponzi koolaid mixed in
>>533815672The fuck are you talking about? No ngo funded people like Zuck. He made his billions because 1 billion degens like you like to stalk people on Facebook and send shitty bommer memes on it and he gets to show you all scammy adds and sell your data.
>>533815513Incorrect.Billonaires are ultra parasites.
>>533815513Literally none of that is true lmao
>>533815513The issue isn't that billionaires exist, it's that they claim authority on fields they're not familiar with simply because of their wealth. That does more harm than good and any billionaire trying to influence the fate of mankind needs to be stripped of their wealth since doing so proves they can't be trusted with that kind of power.
>>533815908I'm saying not to treat job creation as some sort of virtue the way that boot licking lolberg retards frame it. I went into business because I like engineering and I like making money. I employ 37 staff full time because it makes me business run better. I guess I'm pretty sympathetic so I try to keep my staff happy and employed, even if it negatively affects me sometimes, but most business owners dont give a shit about you or your job. The second they can replace you with AI, they can.
>>533816518>I do not want to buy corporate slop. But I am in competition in the markets they rigged with their greed and demonic brands, so I can only choose what they have.You could choose to not buy at all. Period. No one puts a gun to your head. If the money is worth more to you than the product, keep your money. Any other conclusion shows that you, like all communists, don't understand economics. You think value is something more than "what a person is willing to pay for it". It's really just a rationalization of your "wanting your cake and eating it too", which most children get over by about age 4. You want the product and want to keep the cash like that, as if other people owe you just for having been born. Grow the fuck up, you faggot.
>>533815513They just need to pay their taxes properly and have the loop holes they abuse to be closed.
