>>533830413Deport all Indians
>>533830413Pressing blue is most troll thing to do I can't help it sorry
>>533830413red button voters literally cant lose?>Whoever presses the blue button is retarded accurate
>>533830413If everyone presses the red button, then everyone survives
The metaphor is reversed. The blue win red goes to camps.
people pressing red have jewish narcissist spirit#teamblue
>>533830793That’s why you are indian. >>533831246That’s why you are white.
>>533831341youre retarded kek
If the terms are like this, meaning the red button group cannot be killed under any scenario, then obviously pressing the red button is the optimal choice, per game theory.
>>533830413Wow, most people are illogical insectoid drones?Who knew.Though it should be noted that internet polls skew towards the drones.
>>533831376It's just a silly game to see how selfish people are. When votes like this become over 50% red then you've turned into nigger country.
Pressing the blue button is obviously the right thing to do. However, just a reminder that China + India + Africa already make 51% of the population
>>533831376but dont you feel bad for the retarded blue button pushers?
>>533831451it has nothing to do with being selfish its about intelligence, you failed red literally cant lose. voting blue means you're a retard, not empathetic
>>533831246There are two paths to complete survival:Everyone picks redOr half of everyone picks blue.Blue is inherently the better choice because the odds are better for everyone surviving. The worst thing about picking red is that the people who might die would be all the ones smart enough to recognize blue is correct and noble enough to accept the risk of death to pursue the best outcome. Red is the brain drain button.
Twitter is a toilet
>>533831451>>533831514No, because there's no trade off, and everybody could have just pushed the red button.Usually these kinds of trolley problem offer an incentive for the "betraying" side
>>533831552>The worst thing about picking red is that the people who might die would be all the ones smart enough to recognize blue is correct and noble enough to accept the risk of death to pursue the best outcome. Red is the brain drain button.if all the smart people push the red there wont be any braindrain, its the only option with a guarantee to avoid that outcome. You can be noble when you are dead
>>533831533>>533831665>doesn't take into account accidently button pushes>learning disabilitiesif the majority picks blue everyone is fine and normal, if you all picked red then most of your families get wiped out because they're retards. didn't think of that one did ya.
>>533831376it's just a prisoners dilemma, if 100% of people press the red button everyone survives too but you also hedge against the possibility that only 49.9% would press the blue one. this really goes to show how dumb people are.
there is no downside to the blue button.you dont want to live when 100% around you is an assholelet the reddies enjoy their world without nice people left in it.
I unite the people to rebel against the oppressive force that has pushed this pointless gambit onto us
>>533831836>>533831730cya!
ngl my first instict was to choose the blue button because I want everyone to live, but I guess everyone would live if they all chose the red button.
>>533831730Depends on what the declared objective is, and if taken blindly or allowed to communicate with the rest of the group.So:Personal survival is automatic red.Group survival coordinated, red.Group survival blindly, blue. This is because:>blue<50%=50+1% survive (red pushers)>blue>50%=100% survive (everyone)
>>533830413so if i press the red button i am guaranteed to survive and everyone who has access to the button knows their survival is also guaranteed if they press the red button.why would anyone press the blue?
>>533831836>Red wins>All the blue button pushers die>world immediately becomes a shithole as only backstabbing selfish people remain
>>533831552Why do you see it as a benefit to save the entire world? There's plenty of people out there I wouldn't mind not existing.
>>533832031retarded herd-minded emotional response leading to the wrong choicereally fascinating poll desu thanks for posting opi lose faith in humanity more and more everyday
>>533831962so it's >selfish>not selfishI see no downsides >red some people might die and turn the world upside down>blue everyone lives stays the same>blue i get wiped out of existenceblue everytime.
>>533831839this. shit on the ballot and send it back shit-stained.
>>533830413This board should push the blue button. /pol/‘s official stance is that there aren’t enough people in the world. We have several threads daily (probably hourly) about the demographic collapse and plunging birthrate. “We need infinity more people forever” (with no explanation) is the war cry of you fucking retards. Therefore, anyone on /pol/ stating they’d push the red button doesn’t actually listen to the milieu.
>>533832178Based brown button choice
Blue is the white man’s choice. Red is short-sighted narcissism.People wax about muh game theory as if there’s no other objective but your own personal survival. My niece is 6 months old, I doubt she’d be able to press anything but a random button even if she understood the stakes. So yeah, I’m pressing the button that doesn’t kill people.
>>533830413I feel like this is a wildly misleading way to formulate the question. You could just say "There is a blue and a red button, everyone will have the opportunity to press one of them. If you press red, you will definitely not die. However, if blue gets less than 50% votes, every blue voter dies."Formulated like this, i guarantee it would be 95+% red.This is just psychology. It also matters how much time you have to deliberate this question. I reckon most people just saw this while scrolling and went with a gut feel, thinking "blue is nice, everyone lives" without thinking for a sec.Good bait though
>>533830413>if you press the red button, you have a 100% chance of survival>but you'll be branded a red button-presser for the rest of your lifeHmm, I don't know.
>>533830413Literally no reason not to press the red button. You guarantee your own survival, and because it's objectively the correct answer, all anyone else needs to do is also hit the red button. Blue will lose, but only the people retarded enough to commit sudoku and press the blue button will die. Everyone with a higher than room temp IQ will press the red button. If everyone presses the red button, everyone survives, and therefore I don't feel bad for the retards who choose death and pick blue
>sometimes you gotta look out for number oneThis was basic dad advice that was passed down from father to son for generations in the US. It predates the civil war, and basically ended with Millennials (who were raised by their moms instead of two parents). It’s an American idiom about having to make a hard decision whereupon you shirk what may seem morally or socially correct to do what’s best for oneself. It’s about self preservation and growing as an individual. It’s not necessarily about selfishness.
>>533831451It's not selfish though, because there's no trade-off. Anyone who wants to survive picks red. If everyone picks red, everyone survives. People who pick blue are just retards willing to die for nothing, because their hope of everyone surviving will happen anyway with zero risk if they just pick redchoosing blue is choosing to die, so I don't feel bad for you
>>533832389Ok, but you and your niece pressing blue could potentially end up in both of you dying, alongside as high as 49,9% of the population
>>533832445If you arrive at red after “thinking for a sec” you’re just evil lol
>>533831514why did they have to push the blue button? if they want to an hero let them
Even if choosing the red button is the correct choice, if choosing blue didn't cross your mind then you're probably a bad person irl. Don't @ me with your gay rationale, you know it's true too.
>>533832461So it’s not about morality but about what other people think. That’s fucking shameful.
>>533832719the first time I heard this question I had to do a triple take because usually there's some sort of tradeoff. here pressing red is just straight up optimal, nobody has any reason to press blue
>>533832461all the idiotic blue button pressers will be dead so who cares
>>533831376>>533831451The test would need at least some other variable like there would need to be some real negative outcome for pressing red other than some meta level "you will become a nigger society where no one returns their shopping carts anymore". It's not enough to say that people who press blue would die if there's no downside if 100% press red.
>>53383041370-110 IQ (or a woman) = presses the blue button111-130 IQ = presses the red button131-200 IQ = "Which button did I press? Huh, what do you mean? The blue button, of course. I don't want people to die. Wtf..?" (pressed the red button)
>>533831552This is why canadians are always getting doctors to kill them. They just unknowingly push buttons that get themselves killed for no reason.
>>533832676Only if a vast majority of the world suddenly forgets they probably have children or grandparents or retarded friends who they would prefer to keep on living.It’s funny how people talk themselves into a borderline psychotic position because they have convinced themselves it’s the “smart” choice. At least when these prisoner’s dilemmas are tied to a tangible reward, there’s some incentive to make the antisocial choice. Here, you don’t get shit aside from a security that seems highly unlikely to ever be relevant. There’s a magic button that threatens the entire world, takes a really genius to talk themselves out of the “save everyone” option.
>>533832868kek
>>533831511Brazilians are so retarded
Blue is the idealist option and I don't want to live in a world where no idealists are left. Enjoy your hell on earth if you win, niggers. We all die eventually anyway
>>533832943kek
>>533830413Which button kills everyone?
>>533832914tell your kids to press the red button you dumb nigger
>>533833043>hey baby press red>goo goo gaa gaa brblbllllssss>oh well time to press red, whatever happens happens
>>533833101babies can't vote
>>533833136It’s not an election. Text says everyone gets to press the button.
>>533832914If you're so certain than the vast majority of the world would pick blue, then you might aswell pick red and foolproof your survival.I feel like this dilemma is too abstract given the lack of tradeoff we both mentioned already.Let's think about it this way instead:"There's an upcoming speeding train. You can either stay still and survive no matter what(red button) or step into the tracks in case some other people might too, and use your body weight to slow down the train enough it doesn't kill anyone, but this only works if at least half of the onlookers will throw themselves on the tracks also. Otherwise all the people on the tracks will die, but all the people who chose not to act would be fine regardless(blue choice)"
>>533830600Yep. It's basically like our country is being pissed on.
>>533833234prompt says vote
>>533830413>abstains
>>533833270So? You never voted for shit as a kid? What’s for dinner, where to go on vacation, who to be class president or some shit?
>>533833300objectively the worst option since you're still going to die if red wins since you didn't pick red, but you're not even increasing blue's chance of winning by contributing a vote toward blue. >>533833339nope, babies can't vote. Sorry but your "muh keedz" argument doesn't hold water. Still pressing red
>>533833234Look, it's heavily implied that people who are unable to understand basic instructions, including babies and toddlers, wouldn't be able to press the button. Don't be retarded.
>press red button>be left on Earth with only psychopathseh i'd rather just die
>>533833406Huh? It’s not implied at all.Boy what a coincidence, the people focused on the “smart” choice didn’t think about the implications for more than two seconds in a way that makes their antisocial choice free of drawbacks. Who would have thought??
It'd only be interesting if there was any reason not to vote red, like "if the red vote is over 70%, half the reds die".
>>533832389you're not the one killing, the ones responsible are the people who made the buttons in the first place. in any functional legal system it would be recognized that you are trying to ensure your survival in an emergency. if you have to kill to survive there are circumstances where you will be guilty of manslaughter, but in this scenario some unknown psychopathic power is forcing you to participate: you are under lethal threat from the reds, as you can't predict how it will go. if the only way to guarantee survival is red then you are acting in the face of a lethal threat which anyone would find moral. even your own Kant argued this. if anything it's blues who are not recognizing that we unfortunately have loads of misanthropes, the suicidal and the selfish. if humans universally chose the blue button we wouldn't need laws, but humans aren't like blues want them to be and it causes you pain.
>>533830413What if I don't trust that the outcome of the test was presented completely and truthfully and fight to the death to not push the button?Who is going to make me push a button?
>>533833577If everyone is at the mercy of some psychopath, all the more reason to pick the choice that saves everyone.Also lol at bringing up Kant for ethics, the categorical Imperative famously falls apart at the slightest bit of moral ambiguity in a way that most people would consider revolting.Anyway I gotta get groceries so I won’t be able to argue with the psychopaths for a while.
>>533833265Great American LooChinese are the peeIndians are the poo
>>533833488It's not psychopathic, anyone choosing blue is choosing to die for nothing. This test is basically the same as the following, just abstracted. Imagine everyone is on a cruise ship. The ship is perfectly safe and functional and there's no reason to leave it on your way back to port. Suddenly an abandoned rowboat floats up next to the cruise ship. If a high enough number of people choose to jump into the rowboat, there will be enough oarsmen to row themselves back to shore, but if not enough people go to the rowboat, those who do won't have enough people and they'll die at sea. What do you do? Sorry, but staying on the cruise ship and taking the objectively safest and easiest way home at no cost to anyone is not psychopathic. It's not immoral to join in on the rowboatfags suicide pact.
>>533833488Are you saying that only 1-2% of people would be inclined to press red since there's no downside if 100% press red.
>>533832286There's too many niggers in the world, you're not listening properly https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9909402/>The study comprised 1,324,466 live births in total. The pooled estimate of sub-Saharan Africa's overall fertility rate was five children per woman (95% CI: 4.63–5.37). Consequently, the pooled estimate of total fertility for people living in urban and rural areas was 3.90 (95% CI: 3.60–4.21) and 5.82 (95% CI: 5.43–6.21) children per woman, respectively. In sub-group analysis, the pooled estimates of the TFR for the East African, Central African, Southern African, and West African regions, respectively, were 4.74, 5.59, 3.18, and 5.38 children per woman. Total fertility rates were greater in low-income nations (5.45), lower-middle-income countries (4.70), and high-middle-income countries (3.80Mind you these are the same niggers we're told we need to feed every year because they're starving to deathhttps://archive.is/wip/BoeQhhttps://eachf.org/why-the-food-crisis-in-africa-demands-global-attention-in-2026-2/#:~:text=Across%20West%20and%20Central%20Africa,rethink%20how%20hunger%20is%20addressed.https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/horn-of-africa-projections-of-a-famine-in-2023/https://archive.is/wip/CQlfRhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-10976093https://archive.is/wip/5rpqzFuck niggers
>>533833542Yeah I was going to post this. Currently there's no downside for 100% to press red so you could put some real tricky like % there to figure out who would sacrifice themselves by voting blue. If it was like 99% can vote red but not 100% then you would find out which part of the population are collective altruist thinkers because it would be real hard otherwise to figure out why 1% would have to die or something.
>>533830413Go back to X faggot
>>533832286No, their reaction is that there aren't enough WHITE people in white nations, and they're scared of niggers being imported in and outbreeding the natives. Of course, the idea that just shitting out more babies isn't an actual solution. Not only is infinite growth a fairytale ponzi scheme that can't sustain itself, but we'll never ever be able to pop out kids at a higher rate than shitskins can flood in from the 3rd world (and have kids of their own). It's like bailing water out of the titanic with a bucket. Population decline wouldn't be an existential issue if white countries were homogeneous and didn't have foreigners. There would be economic pain in the short term while things course-correct, but those countries would still be themselves at the end of it.
>>533833488This, I imagine a collectivist homogeneous country like Japan would unironically suffer catastrophic, genocide proportion level of death too.
>>533830413red. basic game theory.
>>533830413>>533831730I’ve taken it into account and approve of that outcome
>>533832131>chooses suicide>checks flagI assumed this was Canada and was surprised.
>>533831552>b-b-but what about le retards (like me)Yes please press blue.
>>533830413If this scenario were true then continuing the war past 60 days wouldn't have passed the house. But a bunch of dem kikes crossed the aisle to make up for any dissent in the Republicans. Both buttons are wired to the same bullshit.
>>533830413I would press the blue button.WAAGTMI
>>533830413Red is correct if you believe others will act according to rational self interest. Its maximum Utilitarian and it makes the most sense through the lens of virtue-ethics. It's mathematically correct.Mathematically, participants should create a square with 4 outcomes:>Red where more than 50% of other people vote blue, everyone lives>Red where less than 50% of other people vote blue, idiots die and the world is a better place>Blue where >50% vote with you- you exposed yourself to unnecessary risk of death for no reason, based on the idea other people are stupid and irrational and you wanted to save dumbasses.>Blue where <50% vote blue - you and the dumbasses are dead because you chose to jump into a woodchipperSuicidal empathy, romantic collectivism, responding to the shape of the thought experiment without thinking it through, and post hoc rationalizations by cheating and bringing up children and dementia patients.
>>533830413Lets re word the question. >If you push the blue button, there is an unkonwn % chance that you and everyone else who pushed the blue button will die, if you push the red button, you will live and so will everyone who pushed the red button, guaranteed Gee tough choice
>>533836017This. Also why is it that the loudest blue button pushers are germans?? Can't be a coincidence
>>533830413This excercise is retarded because one of the buttons ensures your survival and one is maybe a suicide vutton. I understand the principle behind the blue button but making it possibly life or death just makes it pointless, because if you dont press red you are a retarded hippie larper
>>533836017Lets rephrase it again:>If you push the red button you and everyone else who has any type of self-preservation and intelligence will live guaranteed 100% of the time but every retarded woman who can't compute simple logic dies. Gee tough choice.
>>533830413God put blue button pressers as empty vessel NPCs to test us. Only ensouled individuals have the courage and discernment that pressing the red button is the only moral choice.
>>533831552Wrong. Red is master morality blue is slave morality, anyone smart enough to know most of humanity is subhuman slave jeet shit woke boomer cattle would press red. Red selects for superiourity and selfishness where blue selects for being a beta cuck nigger woman redditor sorry goy
>>533831552Bluecucks will die out from scarcity where redchads will live in utter abundance
>>533830413it's an allegory for white countries and niggers.
>>533836134Germans and Destiny
>>533830413red button pressers not only get to live they also kill all retards in the world.
>>533836543I knew this faggot was a dumb retard but good lord is he a dumb retard
>>533830413red cant lose. plus we get rid of all the retards as a bonus
>>533831451it's not selfish, you are literally retarded if you pick blue
>>533836578It's the other way around. They would be stuck in a world filled with selfish chinks and jews.
>>533830793I pressed the blue because I am convinced 50% of all people can be killed in my lifetime and that I can help be a part of that enjoyment. Why would I vote half of my game to be already played through when I purchase it??Unless the bald chink is wrong about helping India be cured within 24hrs.
>>533836837blue button presser cope.
>>533830413Unironically press the blue button. White people are the only people with empathy, if you press red you will be left with browns.
>>533830413The path to hell is paved with good intentions
>>533830413are there any social media sites that arent jeeted? feels like the internet has been ruined.
>>533836837If everyone presses the red button, which they should because it's literally impossible to lose, everyone survives, virtue signalling faggot
>>533837000
>>533837000Truly a fate worse than death. Blue it is.
Seeing the results affects the button press. Considering that the current situation is close to 50/50 with blues on the lead, pressing red while knowing that makes you wish for the death of about half of the button pressers. With the current situation pressing blue is the moral option, unless you're a Linkola enjoyer.
>>533837090OH NO. I meant to reply to >>533836891Damn
>>533837000Browns, jews, everyone with a 3rd world animal brain mindset.
>>533837000This is why whites have allowed themselves to be replaced. Surrendered already and just want to suicide.
>>533830413This is just Pascal's wager with life instead of eternal life. Red is the logical answer.
Psycho midwits are gonna doom us all.>muh game theoryIn a classic prisoner’s dilemma, there is a tremendous upside to betraying the group. Everyone knows cooperation has the best overall outcome and is the moral choice, but there is a selfish incentive: your personal outcome is better if you abandon the group.No such incentive exists here. Most people understand the blue is the moral choice, the “right thing to do”. Most people, except psychos, do the right thing if it comes with no personal cost or have an incentive to do otherwise. The best you get with red is the same you get if blue wins, so…. why press red? The first impulse of any remotely moral person is blue and red doesn’t really offer much to change that choice. How appealing is surviving in a world of selfish boomers, really?And that’s not even getting into secondary effects like children, elderly, retards, etc. People who you can’t trust to not pick blue but who you still want to keep around.
>>533833500When you start dissecting hypotheticals deeper than the person who posed it first thought about it you've gone too autistic.
The red button is objectively the best in game theory wherein I value my life as 1 and every other life as 0. But outside kf that context, blue is the best choice.
>>533837221Boomers especially, they just want enough young people to be replaced for as long as the remainder of their lifespan and then fuck whatever happens after they pass on. They have surrendered because they won't have to face the long-term consequence.
>>533837398I don’t think considering “hey what’s gonna happen to other people” in the “are you gonna save yourself or other people challenge” is some crazy stretch
>>533837308You're the kind of faggot who cycles to save da planet. A fake crisis, as presented by the blue button, that soulless morons latch on to to experience a semblance of self righteous meaning.
>>533830767>didnt understand the assignment
>>533830413I propose this as the first layer of a mandatory IQ test except in reality everyone who pressed blue dies period.
>>533830793>red button voters literally cant lose?Pick red, your young children pick blue because it's their favorite color. Congrats you've contributed towards killing your own family? Red only makes sense if you literally have nobody else in your life that you care about, which I guess is why it's so popular here.
>>533837411Who does that though? Who values themselves as 1 and everyone else at 0.Should you give up your life to protect the life of your child? Are all the rationality warriors gonna spout game theory at me?
>>533830600You misspelled exterminate.
>>533837519Boy someone is angry their smarty pants choice isn’t all that smart
>>533837519Oh and for the record, I don’t cycle to save the planet, because there’s is an incentive for the selfish choice (convenience)
>>533837715Blue is the choice of the midwit virtue signaller who can't see through a false conundrum when presented with one. Your average white female basically lol
Red bottom is strategically dominant, so conventional best-response reasoning implies you should press red. I myself disagree with classical non-cooperative game theory and standard notions of instrumental rationality. If more than half of people select blue, this will lead to a Pareto optimal outcome. This is the tension between individual best-response rational and collective rationality.
>>533837000If you think whites are they only ones with empathy then blue is going to lose and by pressing it you and all the other whites will literally commit white genocide (technically suicide ig)
>>533837820What is there to see through, exactly? It’s a thought experiment.
>>533837838The blood of blues is in the red pressers hands.
>>533830413why tf is this not filtered? how did it escape mu filters?
>>533837916There is no reason for anyone to press blue to survive. Pressing blue creates a problem that didn't exist prior.
>>533837922If you jump off a bridge I have no obligation to risk my own life trying to save you.
>>533830413Imagine how much of a stupid, credulous goy you have to be to press blue lmfao. this is why they call us cattle
That there's any debate about this at all is telling about how far this board has fallen.>>533832031Suicidal empathy. >>533831954You don't want suicidal empathy fags to live, they want you to die for pressing the objectively correct button.>>533832127It gives me hope that this problem is easily solveable with a button and violence.>>533832389Only the blue button can kill people. >>533832819>>533836837>>533837000In reality you're less likely to become a nigger society because the suicidal empathetics importing them and preventing you from dealing with them fairly will be out of the way.
>>533838011??????Pressing blue keeps things exactly as they are.Pressing red leaves you in a wasteland world left with the most selfish, callous and short-sighted people of humanity. Oh and it’s probably gonna kill most people under the age of like 12.
>>533836416truke
>>533838154It has become rather dire
>>533838070By pressing red you acknowledge that blues should die, which is an active decision to harm blues regardless of why they press blue.
>>533837574>Congrats you've contributed towards killing your own family?No, you haven't. They did it to themselves by picking blue. You picking blue almost certainly wouldn't have tipped the scale, you would just die needlessly like they did.
>>533830600kek. Shit really does add up if you don't care about it
>>533838169Holy shit you are dumb. You must be female with your poor grasp of logic or just very bitch coded.
>>533838169Pressing red leaves me in a world where the median IQ is a full standard deviation higher
>>533831376>then obviously pressing the red button is the optimal choice, per game theoryThat stance reveals much about you and your social support network. Did you ever wonder if your life could be better if you weren't an insufferable asocial?
>>533838305>uuuh I can’t elaborate my position UR STUPID!!!!average red presser
>>533837922Objectively false. The only button that effects other people is the blue button.
>>533830413red button is equivalent to "kill every midwit" button aka "kill every redditor" button. therefore i press red.
>>533838228No I acknowledge that it's not my problem regardless if they make it out of the river they jumped in
>>533838354you would have to be a drooling retard to think high iq people are more likely to be selfish than idiots
>>533830413The entirety of India and Israel would press red, so the world would become hellStill blue is meaningless
>>533838362Ive already elaborated but you are sold on your self righteous, unnecessary choice. It's just fucking cringey now.
>>533831552Why is it inherently better that everyone survives?
>>533830413This is like a turbo retarded version of pascals wager.You literally cant lose by pressing red lol. Blues survival depends enterally on how likely there are more stupid people there are.
>>533838452Can you direct me to that? Because in our post chain, all you’ve done is throw a tantrum
>>533831552>b-b-but blue is le correct and noble choice!!! T-the data!!! The experts!!! Oh my science
>>533838388Red means "I want to live in a world where everyone is a nigger like me".
>>5338384221. If everyone presses the red button, everyone survives.2. You’d have to be a drooling retard not to understand that the reason you think that is because in most real-world situations, the social capital you gain from being selfless (and “nice” generally) usually outweighs the short term reward of being selfish. This is not one of those situations
Miggers on suicide watch
>>533838228So don’t press blue retard
>>533838505> You literally cant lose by pressing red lolDid you think about this for more than three seconds? You can’t lose your live by pressing red. You can lose your entire world though.Blue winning is the choice that does not lose anything, by definition.
>>533832286You're fucking retarded, you must be a nigger
>>533838579Red means I want to live in a world where there's no niggers like you virtue signaling for niggers.
>>533838520The threat of death only arises by pressing blue. It's that fucking simple. I cannot dumb it down any further for your smoothbrained arse
>>533838362The first documented slaughter of defenseless villager children was in talheim Germany
>>533838520>tantrumCringe female coded insult
Why did Joker read from the paper (seen in reflection) despite telling everyone he had no plans.
>>533838643this guy gets it
>>533838633I don't want to live with morons whose emotions override their ability to apply basic reasoning. I'm not going to save you from your own suicidal self righteousness which is precisely what pressing blue entails.
>>533838228All bliggers must die.
>>533830413I press blue. We can figure this shit out ourselves. You just know that jews and niggers and jeets and trannies pressed red. Pressing red just ensures you're in a world with less bluechads.
>>533838817Based retard
>>533831376Who wants to live in the red world hellscape? It's basically LA
>>533838369By pressing red you make sure you don't die, and also contribute to the death of blues. This can be reduced to red being kill blues button, since death isn't even taken into consideration with red button.I imagine the initial blue pressers think that no-one would press red since it makes you complacent to the death of blues if reds take over. Over time when people can see the button presser statistics, it becomes obvious that people indeed press blue even if it's a bad decision to be under the mercy of reds.
>>533830413I press blue, and hope no one else does.
>>533838601You’re a fucking loser, dude
>>533831451Picking blue means you're choosing to put yourself in needless danger and hope people to put themselves in danger just so you're safe.
>>533838865Under no circumstance would more than 49.9999% of people be killed off, so all these posts about "only psychopaths surviving" and "hellscapes" make no sense.
>>533830413Guess who is pressing the red buttonPro tip - is not educated white people
>>533838860thanks anon
>>533837110You didnt factor in mail in votes
>>533838870>By pressing red you make sure you don't dieTrue.>and also contribute to the death of blues. False. All the blue button pushers had to do was not be retarded. It's in no way my fault that they are retarded. I'm not responsible for them pushing the only button that can kill people.
>>533830413>Whoever presses the blue button is retarded
>>533830600Fpbp
>>533838894Shut up nigger
Retard. Blue is in fact the only one that carries a possibility of death. Pressing blue is just unnecessarily signing up for the potential to die. There's no negative consequences for the individual for pressing red no matter how many or few other press it. It is the rational choice. Blue holds risk dependant on other people you have no control overs actions while red does not. If everyone behaved as a rational agent 100% of people would press red.
>>533830413>the number of people with second order thinking is significantly less than the number of people with suicidal empathyBleak. We can only hope that they’re being performative and are not actually that stupid.
>>533830413Now add a green button that does nothing and see what happens.
>>533839199>If everyone behaved as a rational agent 100% of people would press red.The great news is they will next time.
>>533831451Dude, everyone can just press the red button and everyone survives
>>533838643>nigger flag>me no nigger, u a nigger!Okay Shaqueela
>>533839096This is the dumbest argument100% blue nobody dies 100% red nobody dies To pretend only one button kills people is abused. Both buttons kill people when there is a specific discrepancy. If you want to argue for red at least be a little less retarded.
Every one who thinks redfags are smarter than bluechads is unironically a midwit. The only prerequisite to pressing red is to possess the low, base cunning of a brownoid. There is absolutely no instance in which a brownoid would opt for altruism. In fact, they, like the majority of posters ITT would pick red exclusively to muder bluechads, due to their own sense of inferiority. There are, however, bluechads that recognize the righteousness of their choice, each one who is worth 10 riggers. As a selfish, low, base rigger, you must recognize that only bluechads can offer you succor. Thus, choosing red only delivers you into the hands of selfish savages with no morals or decency. To push red it tantamount to forcing your way into hell with your own two hands.
>>533839212Second order thinking would be to consider the world you’re left with if red wins and if that would be a desirable outcome.Or maybe that’s third order thinking, maybe that’s beyond the selfish midwits.
>>533830413I wouldn't want to live in a red button world anyway. People who press the red button are ontologically evil. Red button pressers already run the world -- a world composed solely of them can be nothing but worse. I'll take blue any day of the week.
>>533837000Suicidal empathy is not a virtue.
>>533839096>It's in no way my fault that they are retardedSure it's not your fault, but that doesn't change the fact that they are, and press the blue button. Why can't you own up the fact that pressing red is the deciding factor to kill blues? Over 50% pressing red isn't something that's decided beforehand.
>>533830413Red is for psychopaths not fot to live in society that requires a team effort to survive.If you press red because you dont trust anyone else to vote blue you already live in hell
>>533839419all riggers are base and selfish by nature. They will swear until they were black and blue in the face that it is every one else's fault for the consequences of their own actions.
>>533839283Wrong again. The only effect of red is that whoever pushes it doesn't die. That could be you, but I won't be sad if it's not.>>533839419Because it's not, they will have killed themselves. I'll gladly own up to the fact that I'm happy they did, though, but their choice won't be my fault. It doesn't matter anyway if there won't be anyone left to disagree.
>>533839262>Undeniable knowledge that every single person you see around you would push you into a chasm if they ever catch you relaxingThis is the world you want? Unironically this would be a civilizational trauma that humanity will never recover from.
I vote red multiple times.
>>533839199>There's no negative consequences for the individual for pressing redThere is. You would live in a world with other people like you who care about nothing but themself and everyone of you thinks you’re the most rational and intelligent ones for thinking this way.>If everyone behaved as a rational agent 100% of people would press red.Which is unlikely. 50% blue is a much easier bar to clear.
If stupid people and children are made to do it and have no help and press blue then I’ll press blue. Also the experiment should’ve mixed the color choices like some Mass Effect 3 ending shit.
>>533839344>There is absolutely no instance in which a brownoid would opt for altruism.>>533839344>In fact, they, like the majority of posters ITT would pick red exclusively to muder blueAnd what percent of the global population do they represent? Hrrrm? Even by your own rational you're illustrating why red should be selected.
>>533839443Wrong again. Psychopathy empirically doesn't occur in more than 50% of the population. This is why you retards have to go.
>>533839352>all the retards die without a resource drain>b-b-but y-you don’t want to live in a world with only smart people. T-they’re selfish. The remaining white people are the kind who are willing to do what must be done to secure their lives and the good of their children. The world is not better because some faggots would rather risk their own lives than put other overly empathetic retards in danger of losing theirs. They would never do the same for you. It would just eliminate the barrier of humans too indoctrinated to understand the concept of self preservation.
>>533830413isn’t this just the prisoners dilemma with buttons and genocide?
>>533839443If everyone presses red, everyone would live.
>>533830413red?
>>533830413>private vote:>return grocery carts to the drop off points>leave them loose in the parking lot since some minimum wage lad has to pick them up anyway
>>533839662Logic isn't selfish. Another great example of why you retards have to go.
Game theory was literally invented by a paranoid-schizo jew who later on in life admitted that most people were more altruistic than he thought. He used to get super mad when people wouldn't act "rationally". It's a stupid theory.
i’m pressing blue because i’m nice
>>533839743>and the good>*presses red*You will be consumed.
>>533830413gay X slop to get engagement
>>533839636Like I said, majority pressing red isn't something that's predetermined. It's an active choice of people pressing red.
>>533839818There is no logic. You just think about yourself and nothing other than yourself.You are cancer to any society. Just like jews, jeets and other 3rd world trash.
>>533839636> The only effect of red is that whoever pushes it doesn't die.Uh no? Like, that’s just factually wrong? Red saves you and if most people choose red, blues die. That is the effect of the button. If you want to be pedantic, red is the only button that kills.If I press blue, I am never killing anyone. If blue wins, everyone lives. If red wins, I get killed. But I didn’t contribute to that outcome.It’s really quite something how several people itt are like “only blue kills” when that’s just… completely wrong. A red press contributes to an outcome that kills people, a blue press doesn’t. I’d be fine to say both buttons kill, but if you want to reduce it to one, it’s certainly not blue lmao
>>533830413I identify as a fat lazy fucking cat so I'm gonna lay on both buttons at once.
Fags in this thread:>White people are suicidally empathetic thus if you aren't suicidally empathetic you are a NIGGER, red pressers are NIGGERS!This world is all about selfishness and that's not bad. Only christcuckery has brainwashed you to think otherwise and now you are paying the consequences of it.Mind you, even atheists aren't free from this brainwashing these days.If we acted selfishly our countries would be mono-ethnic.
>>533839731If about 30% of all non white populations press blue for whatever reason, we'd probably scrape past 50%. What you've "rationally" figured out for yourself doesn't change the innate and intuitive goodness of choosing blue. The fact is that there exist people who would press it, so you should press it too. There's a lot of "suicidal empathy" talk ITT. No one is suicidally empathetic, really. They just exist in enclaves and are insulated from the consequences of their actions, allowing abetting and oppressing the victims of their decisions.The point is that none of the people you dislike will press blue, but many of the people who you do like, will. Therefore it is most rational to press blue. There is no consequence for pressing red, other than pressing red itself. This means that the virtue signallers, un observed, will do what they always have, except this dim they don't even need to sugar coat it. They'll just press the red button they've pressed all their lives and do it with a clear conscience.
>>533830600So basically I need to move to Wyoming or Montana.
>>533839988Yes it is, when the choice and the results are private and not a twitter poll. But I don't expect you to understand that, you pressed the objectively wrong button. >>533839992It's perfect logic. I press red I live along with everyone else who made the objectively correct choice. I press blue, I die with you retards. Jews and jeets are only a problem where blue button pushers exist.
>>533830413obviously blue, once the threshold is crossed then the game end cleanlyif players have less than 20s to decide, I can't imagine there are less than 20% choosing blue. Even if I pick red and win, if 20% of humanity get wiped by such a simple, no-cost test I would seppuku out of shame
Only heartless white racists would pick red. Whites have no human empathy. Evolution skipped that part in them Indian far right on the other hand would sacrifice themselves to save others, even their haters.
>>533830413retards aren't understanding the deeper meaning here kek
>>533840259If we acted selfishly we wouldn't exist as a species. We literally are one of the only animals that can effectively heal broken bones, because most people will help feed and protect the injured until they are able to heal and return to full capacity. riggers like you are not normal, you are a product of a broken age
Kill anyone who presses any button. Problem solved.
>>533840259The problem with this logic is that red isn’t even that selfish.Like, you don’t get anything from a red win that blue doesn’t give you. The only upside is insurance if the entire world turns out to be psychotic. If pressing red gave you five bucks, yeah, I’m pressing red because red is winning. But as it is? Red really shouldn’t win.
>>533840137The red button pushers haven’t killed anyone, retard. The only person responsible for any death in this hypothetical would be the person who created the machine. I cannot be blamed for not risking my life to save others. If you truly believed that, you would feel responsible for thousands of deaths daily in real life by not donating every cent you own to feed the hungry or fight cancer or some shit. The only way to die in this scenario is to PUT YOURSELF in danger of death by action irrationally. I did not create the machine or put you in danger of being killed by it. You are not my responsibility to save, and refusing to try to save you is not the same as killing you.
>>533839768Not even real. Nothing to lose or gain and no proof that anyone pressed a button. It's simply another method of rustling jimmies and extracting energy from the human body.
>>533840429>If we acted selfishly we wouldn't exist as a species.worked for thousands of years prior to cucktianity>We literally are one of the only animals that can effectively heal broken bones, because most people will help feed and protect the injured until they are able to heal and return to full capacity.caring for you own people is selfish and thats good>riggers like you are not normal, you are a product of a broken ageI despise your normal and its killing the west.
>>533837308It's the exact opposite.The choices are " press red and live" vs. "Press blue and maybe die". A rational, moral being would not press blue. Pressing blue is choosing to die.
>>533840137No. There is no effect of the red button in reality. Read the OP. The only button that does anything at all is the blue button. >I get killed. But I didn’t contribute to that outcome.It's a win-win then. You get to die without the burden on your conscience and I get to live without the burden of you being retarded. What are you even arguing about? Die already.
>>533830413Red. Humanity needs a culling. Evidence of this fact: blue people are so retarded they think it's a good idea to keep their enemies around, apparently.
>>533840314>Jews and jeets are only a problem where blue button pushers exist.No, they are the ones that survive with you pushing the red button.They have the same "logic" as you. >"If i throw the trash into the river, i don’t have to pay to have it picked up" = rational choice maximizing personal gain.This is the 3rd world low trust society mindset and i don’t want to live in a world with people like you.
>>533840471red is selfish because you are guaranteed to live. if you pick blue you could die. im not that interested in this button press "dilemma" anyway more on how people react to self preservation.
>>533840602>and i don’t want to live in a world with people like you.Then press blue faggot
>>533840558>Pressing blue is choosing to die.It’s worse than that, even. Pressing blue is choosing to die for nothing more than the ability to say that you aren’t selfish.
whats up with germans and false equivalences
>>533840541>caring for you own people is selfish and thats goodYou're using that word wrong. When you put yourself aside to assist another that's called selflessness. >I despise your normal and its killing the west.What you actually despise is the consequences of selfish people not caring about how their actions affect their kinsmen. You're just hurt and lashing out
>>533830600
>>533840568>The only button that does anything at all is the blue button.But if enough people press the blue button, nothing happens. The world continues on as it did before the buttons appeared. The red button takes that world and changes it -- by killing people. I'm not sure I follow how the blue button is in fact the one which does anything at all.
They are pressing blue because they are worried if maybe their family members or someone they loved pressed blue too like a retard so to make sure that everyone they love stays alive they press blue
>>533830413This is a dumb question everyone should just press the red button. The setup is stupid.
>>533840568> There is no effect of the red button in reality. Read the OP. The only button that does anything at all is the blue button.Walk me through the logic here. If blue wins, nothing happens. If red wins (with anything less than 100%), something happens.But blue is the only button that does something? How does that logic work, exactly? I’m a dumb blue presser, use small word.
>>533840666So playing Russian roulette is a selfless good? Every blue vote is a vote for a mass casualty event. If everyone votes red nobody dies
>>533840541>worked for thousands of years prior to cucktianityYes, it’s how they survive in africa. White western civilization was built by blue button pushers who planned ahead and survived the winter together.
>>533840802>shouldand I should be a trillionaire. You as a US citizen sould just give me all your tax money. I won't do anything for you but at the very least I won't give it to Israel or trannies.
>>533840602Nope. They only survive in a world with blue button pushers. When it's just us vs them without you blue button retards on their side they lose.>This is the 3rd world low trust society mindsetThat blue button pushers imported into first world high trust societies and scream when they're deported or otherwise dealt with.>i don’t want to live in a world with people like you.Perfect. I pressed the red button. You would know what to do, if you weren't a retarder blue button pusher, so I'll spell it out for you. Push the blue button.
>>533831373saaaaar
>>533840802but they don't know if their loved ones pressed blue or red its a private vote, what if their granny is slow in the head they don't want her to die which is why everyone is pressing blue
>>533840820>Walk me through the logic here. If blue wins, nothing happens. If red wins (with anything less than 100%), something happens.>>>But blue is the only button that does something? How does that logic work, exactly? I’m a dumb blue presser, use small word.What he's saying is the scenario is busted by default. The incentives aren't there to force anyone to press the blue button because if 100% of the people press the red button everyone lives. The shitter poster is a retard and needs to go back to the drawing board.
>>533840683>Pressing blue is choosing to die for nothing more than the ability to say that you aren’t selfish.It's always interesting to see how people react to these dilemmas, even if the dilemma itself is trivial. What's interesting here is that, given a genuine moral question, the way you choose to represent it is as "nothing more than the ability to say" something -- as if the dilemma itself is meaningless outside how you can represent your choice to others. The question of the deaths of potentially billions of people reduced to how you can manipulate people's perception of you kek
>>533840728As I understand the line of thought, if you assume that red wins by default, then pressing blue can be considered a suicide. It's interesting how the assumption of which party might win affects how you consider which button is the one that causes change.
>>533840845If even half of every one presses blue, nothing happens. That means if 100% of all people press blue double nothing happens. You're actively trying to justify pressing the only button that could result in something happening, by pretending that it's the only button where nothing happens. You are broken and twisted.
>>533840845If everyone votes blue nobody dies either.I really don’t even get this line of argument. If you consider everyone surviving to be the most desirable outcome…. then press the button that explicitly aims to do that?>b-but red does is better cuz everyone is selfish, muh game theoryYou couldn’t get 100% votes for free ice cream. If you want everyone to live, the button to press is blue.
>>533832286>you think there's too many useless niggers, jeets and chinks? >heh, killing yourself would solve that problemThe utter retardery of the mutt strikes yet again!
>>533840973A chance at a mass casualty event isn’t “nothing happening” it’s an existential risk to humanity. Blue button pushers are willing to kill billions in their active self destruction instead of just pushing red
>>533840728>The world continues on as it did before the buttons appeared.Doubtful. The blue button pushers aren't going to let it go. >The red button takes that world and changes it -- by killinNo. It does literally nothing at all according to the OP. You fucking retard blue button pushers can't read. >>533840820I can't walk a blue button retard through logic, they don't have the capacity to understand. Just push the blue button and everything will be fine kraut.
>>533840905The incentive is moral and ontological. You can either press a button that does nothing, or you can press a button that might kill every one else who didn't press it. Why would you press the kill button if not to kill people? Because you get all up in your own head like a neurotic kike and try to intellectualize your way into committing murder.
>>533830413>he wants to stay alive in clown world Lmao, you're a dimwitted retard who thinks he's smart. Either we all live or I get out. Win win in my book
>>533841002>If everyone votes blue nobody dies either.>I really don’t even get this line of argument. If you consider everyone surviving to be the most desirable outcome…. then press the button that explicitly aims to do that?>>b-but red does is better cuz everyone is selfish, muh game theory>You couldn’t get 100% votes for free ice cream. If you want everyone to live, the button to press is bluePressing blue is committing suicide because he hasn't thought his dilemma through in a way that makes sense. A dilemma needs both choices to have costs and red has no cost and appeals to the selfish, only an idiot who cannot functionally understand basic logic would choose blue.The question sucks.
>>533831552He’s kinda right. Half of whites would die (not necessarily bad) but all of india, china and africa would live.
>>533840878>That blue button pushers imported into first world high trust societies and scream when they're deported or otherwise dealt with.No. Nobody was ever asked if we want these low trust third world trash people here. Rich and powerful kikes made that decision for their own personal gain. They are pushing the red button by importing niggers for their personal gain and fuck everyone else in the process.
>>533841084>he can’t explain his logicOh no no noAnother example of the type of retard that will exclusively populate the world if red wins
>>533840943That seems dishonest to me. Why not assume blue wins by default? I'm sure you can concoct some kind of arbitrary rationale, but ultimately you're assuming evidence outside what's actually knowable. You don't actually know enough to assume one of these conclusions. You are assuming, essentially on faith, that your rationale is correct. If we are concerned with what's rational, that's irrational to color your decision based on pure faith.
>>533830413wow, thats a crazy hypothetical. Sad that people actually pick blue.,
>>533830413As it has been detailed, the logical thing to do is press the red button.Red button: It guarantees your survival and it doesn't compromise the survival of anyone smart to also press the red button. It's becomes a tacit agreement that smart people would survive.Blue: fails to understand this implicit agreement embedded in the test itself .Not only it compromises your own survival, it also puts at risk the survival of fellow blue button pressers, in case the red button is >50%.
>>533841127>Half of whites would dieYes. The half that wouldn't nuke India, China and Africa.
>>533831451It has nothing to do with selfishness it's about guaranteed survival. I can't vouch for billions of opinions, so red which has no cons is the logical choice
>>533830413>altruism is a completely foreign concept among /pol/ postersreally exposes how many poobrowns and chinks post here
>>533841092>The incentive is moral and ontological. You can either press a button that does nothing, or you can press a button that might kill every one else who didn't press it. Why would you press the kill button if not to kill people? >>Because you get all up in your own head like a neurotic kike and try to intellectualize your way into committing murder.Essentially everyone mad their own choice as such it cannot be murder, you subhuman moron.
>>533841111>red has no costIt costs the blues. I don't get why you can't accept this fact.
>>533841111The cost of red is risking the death of millions for a very questionable upside.
>>533841083>Blue button pressers are willing to push a button only half of all people alive have to push for every one to live>Red button pressers are willing to push a button that every single last person must all push so that every one can live.If you were really concerned you'd press blue. The odds of 50% of all people pressing blue are infinitely higher than 100% of all people pressing red. If red won, all red pressers have blood on their hands for picking the only option that could result in some one dying.
I still haven't read what's the bad condition if 100% press red, meanwhile pressing blue has bad conditions.
>>533841228jews won’t let that happen. All jews live btw too
I still haven't read what's the bad condition if 100% press blue, meanwhile pressing red has bad conditions.
>>533841163And blue button tards are the only ones preventing a another Holocaust but for real this time.>>533841165Won't. Just press the pretty blue button and all of your confusion about the logic will go away.
>>533841275because red has no intrinsic cost except that stupid people who can't do math and don't understand human nature will die. Sorry if you're so stupid that you can't see that red has no cost whatsoever you shouldn't be in the conversation at all.
And I realize this has some faggot meta thing where if you in this example press read then you are okay if nazis and commies killed 500 million people in two weeks or something. It's just not included in this specific example.
>>533841286Jews have no power without blue button pushers.
>>533841275If they pushed red they wouldn’t die. It’s not moral to risk my life and the lives of billions more to save someone who’s playing Russian roulette with three bullets. You can put the gun down at any point and press red
>>533841367>muh human natureHuman nature is to be social, defend each other and cooperateThe civilisation you are living in is proof of that
>>533840879youre retarded kek>t. gets into fights with jeets and gets them deported
>>533841246>It cannot be murderYou're deceiving yourself, going through all this effort just to rationalize your desire to murder. You and you alone pressed the kill button. The blue button does nothing to those who do not press it, it saves them too. The red button alone kills those who did not press it. Instead of pressing the only button that is morally good, you chose the same button that every one you hate would have chosen.
>>533841406Touché
>>533840260This is an all or nothing wager. You're correct in that altruistic behavior tends to create better outcomes. Even within game theory when there's a point system nice behaviors tend to preform best and benefit eachother. They spread even. But that's when there's points and multiple rounds and no consequences beyond simply not gaining points. With this ruleset however there is only 1 round and it's not a point system. It elimination. It's simply a wager where if 50% is not met all blue players are permanently removed from the game. Even an altruistic actor under this rule set should rationally pick red to ensure their ability to continue to behave in such a way in future lower stakes rounds.
I’d press red just to see blue button pressers die KEEEEK
Wear the mask so you don't kill grandma! Get the vax so you don't kill grandma!
>>533841420>Human nature is to be social, defend each other and cooperate>The civilisation you are living in is proof of thatIncorrect. Most of civilization is held together by the states ability punish bad actors and most people being comfortable with the quality of life provided. Take away the comfort of food and you'll see real human nature quite quickly and it's nothing like you've said.
>>533831823Wrong. A Prisoners Dillemma is a symmetric game. This is asymmetric, and completely solved, meaning that there is only one optimal choice and it’s Red. Taking ethical considerations into account was never the purpose of any game theoretical situation, but if you do that, then you finally have something to play with, because choosing red means you may be contributing (albeit very slightly) to a choice that condemns others to death
>>533841528>Most of civilization is held together by the states ability punish bad actorsWe would be so much better off if the state got out of the way of punishing bad actors
If human nature was to cooperate and build then crime and war would never exist
>>533841518Blue button pushers literally crashed the world economy over average flu deaths.
>>533841476>You're deceiving yourself, going through all this effort just to rationalize your desire to murder. You and you alone pressed the kill button. The blue button does nothing to those who do not press it, it saves them too. The red button alone kills those who did not press it. Instead of pressing the only button that is morally good, you chose the same button that every one you hate would have chosen.Again it cannot be murder, idiot. The button pusher is not responsible for the outcome because the dilemma is badly designed and vague. Both sides of a dilemma need real intrinsic costs to make them evenly dangerous to the observer. Red has absolutely no downsides if everyone presses it, and as such logically you should press red regardless of outcome.
>>533841367Stupid people who don't understand human nature would press red. You must understand anon, you are spiritually brown. There is no meaning in living in a red world. Reds cannot build, cannot create. The work of a red has no meaning, because the red is selfish. The red would only ever create to boast of his own glory, but in the red world, no one else would care for some one elses glory, only their own. The Red button kills all, it's just a question of who goes first.This is a truth that sadly seems to be something the rigger could never perceive.
>>533841406Jews don’t care about saving anyone but themself.Jews are the red button pushers.You think you can beat the jew if you become the jew.
>>533840270Fuck off we're full
>>533841484You don't understand what a red world will be, read >>533841623
>>533831552Picking red is the smart move because everyone picking blue expects everyone else to pick blue for the group. Everyone picking red is happy to fend for themselves. The ones picking blue gotta go.
Kek individualistic people would press redCollectivist cucks would press blueIf you press blue you’re a collectivist communist cuckold
>>533839662We already live in that world, dumbfuck.You know how many people woke up this morning and thought to themselves >Today I'm going to make this shitskin mudslime living in Germany's life better somehowThat's right. Zero. Out of 8 billion. Zero.
>>533841542>There's only on optimal choice and it's the one where people die>The choice that has a lower bar to achieve and does literally nothing bad at all is the sub-optimal choice.This is your brain on Red juice.
>>533841650I'm not becoming anything, I pressed a red button that does nothing. You're becoming nothing, and red button pushers will finally be able to fix the damage your ilk has done.
Red voters are subhuman parasites.I guarantee 99% of jews choose red
>>533831451This. It's a variant of the grocery cart experiment.
>>533841727>We already live in that world, dumbfuck.You're in a thread with people who would push the blue button. You would kill us to avoid dying yourself. We wouldn't do the same to you. That's all it ultimately comes down to.
>>533830413Do you retards really not understand this one?Red is the ONLY choice. Red is BOTH the self-interested AND the egalitarian choice. Because logically since red ALWAYS lives EVERYONE should press red. And if EVERYONE presses red, then EVERYONE survives. Only sub 80 IQ faggots think that pushing blue is a good move. They deserve to die.
>>533830413>you have 2 options
>>533841752>nobody should die ever
>>533841771False. T. red button pusher and a cart returner
>>533841618>the dilemma is badly designed and vagueThere is nothing about it. You chose to press the only button that could result in deaths. Pressing blue literally does nothing. It takes over half of all people to press the red button for people to start dying. How is it so hard for you just to not press the red button? The brain of a redditer is truly astounding to behold.
>>533831552I'm willing to bet real money your skin is brown.
>>533841799Nobody is making you push blue. If you kill yourself it has no moral reflection on me
blue pickers let their governments force them into lockdowns and actively participated in the destruction of people's livelihoodsyour altruism is completely fake and every day more people see that
>>533841803you couldn't get 100% votes for puppies and rainbowswhy wouldnt I chose the option with a realistic chance of saving everyone? 51% blue is a walk in the park compared to 100% red
>>533841860>There is nothing about it. You chose to press the only button that could result in deaths. Pressing blue literally does nothing. It takes over half of all people to press the red button for people to start dying. How is it so hard for you just to not press the red button? The brain of a redditer is truly astounding to behold.You pressed blue to commit suicide because you're an idiot that can't do math, I don't see why anyone would feel bad about it.
The results are in. The only casualities are the consciences of about 41 485 red pressers.
Why would you under any circumstance press blue unless you’re a total retard? And if you’re a total retard, then the world would be better off with you being gone there are too many people anyways
>>533841842>I should murder people and it shouldn't be my faultred alert red alert
>>533841111quads of truth
>>533841901If they're truly that fucking stupid, they don't deserve to live. You're only making the case that red is an even better pick for all of society.
>>5338306005 million jeets on h1b? Fucking sickening. Fuck trump.
>>533841892Okay, but I'm not killing myself, am I? I am choosing the button which has categorically zero chance of anyone dying by my actions. There is no way in which my action can result in the death of another person. You are choosing the option which could result in the deaths of billions. Your action contributes to the likelihood that billions of others die. What's so complex about this? Can you not even admit that your action contributes to the likelihood of billions of deaths?
>>533841936You pressed the only button that results in people dying, and you think you are moral and righteous.
>>533841936Fucking parasite.
>>533841756>I pressed a red button that does nothing.You demonstrated that you care about nothing besides yourself. You don’t care what happens to your kids even.
>>533841803They're arguing that you need to risk dying to attempt to save the mongs who don't understand the question, because it's a moral imperative o algo
>>533841092>You can either press a button with some chance of killing you, it press a button with no chance of killing you.>The only drawback to the latter is some idiots might press the maybe suicide button and you should feel bad for themLmao
>>533830413Blue=commit suicideRed=let others commit suicide
>>533842025>You pressed the only button that results in people dying, and you think you are moral and righteous.I'm not righteous, just correct. Go troll elsewhere.
>>533841752Why waste time to vote in a way that literally changes nothing? Oh wait, I guess that's what voting always is...
>>533841420Incentives and self interest can still create a functioning society. We aren't going to work and trading out of an altruistic cooperation, we do it because we want money and trade our time for it.You flip 2 coins, whats the probability both land heads? Setup 4 squares to see the answer. In a matrix.You can do the same with red and blue press, and >50% of vote and <50% of vote.
okay but all discussion asidedo the red pressers seriously think they would be the majority? (I know this >>533841939 was posted but you can't really compare a twitter poll to people actually having to make a life or death situation)cuz I think blue would win.
>>533841939Wrong again. That's the results for a different experiment where the vote is not private. Blue button pushers are really this stupid.
>>533841854Same. I also hold doors for random strangers.
>>533842075You're correct if and only if you assume a worldview in which your survival is worth killing people who explicitly chose to avoid the possibility of killing you.
>>533842079If the vote was for faggots to get married would you vote for them because to vote otherwise would change literally nothing?
>>533841253I don't care about losses for idiot humans who can't do the obviously right thing. The world is better without them
I will NOT be pressing either button.
>>533842042Lol no I just don't care about you and you can't stand it.
>>533841264>Not committing suicide is not upside>The most German German, lol
>>533842190That's far better than denying it.
>>533842214Our contrarian idiot hero.
>>533842113Bluechads will win and redcucks will pretend they voted blue the whole time. We must remember the caliber of the people who use twitter. This experiment must be done on REDdit and maybe there reds will win.
>>533842005You’re the only one risking the death of billions by pushing blue. The only chance of a mass casualty event is if the victims (you) opt into it
>>533840941You’re a retard if you think hypothetical scenarios like this are anything more than masturbation for the those who feel the need to constantly virtue signal. If this were a real world scenario, they would not so loudly proclaim that blue is the correct choice because they know they would be lynched after red wins, and many wouldn’t even choose blue themselves. The few that actually believe the bullshit they’re spewing would not save anyone and effectively killed themselves by being low IQ faggots.
>>533841771>This. It's a variant of the grocery cart experiment.Fucking retard. There's zero correlation. Red pushers actually understand the societal implications. We return the cart for the same fucking reason. If you don't return the cart, you're a short-sighted fool who can't see the grander picture. That's the same person who pushes blue.
https://youtu.be/WV37yosDu6U
>>533842241but blue wins.
>>533842113>make a life or death situation? First of all, you talk all retarded like, and secondly; it's not a life or death situation. You are allowed to not kill yourself and pick red. No one is forcing anyone to pick blue. If you want to live just pick red. If you want to gamble your life away pick blue.
Red is the only option. Retards can eat shit.
>>533842276How am I risking the deaths of billions by pressing the button which EXPLICITLY KILLS NO ONE?
>>533842275Just more proof that in a private vote there is literally no downside to pushing the red button. The choice is simply suicidal empathy or not.
>>533842188I've never voted in my life because I'm not a retard.
>>533842375If the vote was open, would you still press red?
>>533842343Because the blue button is a gamble with their lives. It’s a chance at mass casualty. The red button is guaranteed survival. Only people pressing blue opt into a game where they and others may die
>>533842276why do red pressers make this dumb argument? at best, the buttons are equally guilty. there is no world in which the blue pressers are to blame for their deaths. the blue pressers are voting for everyone to survive. that is the outcome a majority blue win produces.red pressers are voting for themselves to survive and for blues to get fucked. that is the outcome a red majority produces.there's one killer button and it's not blue
>>533842113I literally don't have to care because as a red chad my life is guaranteed.I don't think about the result at all I go about my day
To believe that red is inevitable is to possess a fundamental misunderstanding an incompatibility with reality itself. To be red is, essentially, insane. You believe you are a cynical murderous selfish asshole in a world of cynical murderous selfish assholes and yet you STILL pick the ONLY option that would QUANTIFIABLY kill the ONLY people who are NOT cynical murderous selfish assholes. It's a vote to shoot yourself in the heart, essentially. The red button is the slow suicide button. To pretend that any good can come of it is pure delusion.
>>533842331Exactly, the question is emotionally charged and manipulative. Another way to represent the same problem -If you press the red button, nothing happens to you and you live. If you press the blue button, you die. However, if 50% of the entire population also decides to press the blue button, you don’t die. These are the exact same parameters as the previous question, but I bet in this scenario almost everyone will choose red including the bluetards ITT. It’s nothing to do with morality or game theory it’s just a failure of reading comprehension
>>533830413I'll just delay pressing the (red) button for as long as possible. Nobody considered option #3, non-compliance.
>>533842443No. The game is already there. You do not have a choice to opt in or out. You only have a choice of which button you press. I can't even imagine how tortured the logic is behind your statement. You cannot choose inaction. Red is action. Blue is action. Both have consequences for yourself and everyone else alive. Red preserves your life while potentially killing billions of others.
>>533842420The vote was open, I did, and I told you that I did.
>>533842328As red I also win if blue wins.The buttons are:Press red and always win press blue and maybe winExpz
>>533842420Yes. And afterwards I'd bang a bunch of hot red pusher girls to celebrate our continued existence.
>>533842471Pressing blue is the only scenario where death occurs. Anyone can simply choose red and live
>>533842516>phrasing of a question can have an influence on the answerriveting discoverydo red presser have any argument or is it all semantics and platittudes to avoid dealing with the moral question at the heart of the hypothetical
Keep in mind the blue pressers don't just have to win the twitter poll. They have to start a WORLDWIDE campaign, where they convince 50% of EVERY SINGLE LIFEFORM on earth (which is legally considered a Human) to press blue. The blue pressers, who understand that:>pressing red is the most rational thing to do>it's the most dominant strategy>it individually only has advantages and no risks or disadvantagesDESPITE this, they think it's impossible to not prevent certain extremely retarded individuals, who are also unable to listen to any kind of instructions or cooperate, from pressing blue. So out of a sense of being "nice" we have to save these too-retarded-to-live people and potentially risk the survival of humanity by pressing blue. Imagine how worse this would be, if also aliens in the entire galaxy could vote. Do blue pressers extend their altruistic attitude towards them too? I mean we are already doing the same thing by risking the survival of our race by making it contingent on India's and China's button presses, if we think of it like this. Voting red and having it succeed would literally solve the West's most inherent problem:>suicidal Altruism for irrational people, who are too retarded to live
>>533830413>drink too much>forget to press the button
>>533842471>why do red pressers make this dumb argument? at best, the buttons are equally guilty. there is no world in which the blue pressers are to blame for their deaths. the blue pressers are voting for everyone to survive. that is the outcome a majority blue win produces.>red pressers are voting for themselves to survive and for blues to get fucked. that is the outcome a red majority produces.>>there's one killer button and it's not blueThey are not, red is personal responsibility, blue is group responsibility to a question where they don't have to spread responsibility to the group in the first place. Anyone who pushes blue is simply too stupid to understand the question.No one should feel bad if you push blue and die, it's opting in to suicide for no reason while if you just push red everyone wins by default.
>>533842516>>If I make it selfish it's different>If you press the red button, nothing happens to you and you live, but every one who does not press it dies. If you press the blue button, you might die, if less than 50% of the entire population decides to press the red button.You're actively leaving out the fact that the red button is the only button that actively kills.
>>533842657Here is my vote btw. If blue presser don't convince half of the earth's population to register on twitter and press blue, they will all die btw.
>>533842497I'm only a cynical murderous selfish asshole because of the damage the blue pushers have done to this world. Once they're gone, we can all heal.
>>533842584You have the choice, press red and live. Press blue and enter a game where you and others may die, there is no downside to red except living long enough be sad about all the blue retards that risked death for nothing
>>533842217>Lol no I just don't care about you and you can't stand it.That too. But the red button ensures only your own survival. And that is why you’re in the same group as jews and other 3rd world trash who don’t care about me.You’re a selfish loser and you should be kicked out of our society.
>>533842631Incredibly inversion of facts but it's not true, no matter how often redfags repeat it.When people only die because someone pressed red, that's the killer button. You can't spin this around because if everyone presses blue, nobody dies.>but if everyone presses red nobody dies eitherYes, however when you extend the outcomes to majority, then a blue majority also means nobody dies, whereas as red majority kills people. Evidently, pressing red is more related to people dying.
The question isn’t which button you’d pick, it’s actually two questions - which button would you say you’d pick, and which button would you actually pick.So there are not 2, but 4 real options :>say you’ll pick red and pick red (1)You are guaranteed to survive, but you look worse to other people>say you’ll pick blue and pick blue (2)You will probably die, but you look morally good to other people>say you’ll pick red and pick blue (3)You will probably die, and you look worse to other people.>say you’ll pick blue and pick red (4)You are guaranteed to survive, and you look morally good to other peopleI don’t see any real reason to pick 3. So nearly everyone who picks red is going to be a 1. Meanwhile, blue pickers are a mix of 2 and 4 - how many people there are actually 2’s? How many people are 4’s just taking the option that gives them max benefit? In fact, 4 is the most selfish choice imaginable - to gain social clout, you are misleading 2’s into thinking there are more of them than they really are and sending them to their deaths. At least 1’s are honest
>>533842671>blue is group responsibility to a question where they don't have to spread responsibility to the group in the first place. Anyone who pushes blue is simply too stupid to understand the question.This is how you justify your CHOICE to potentially kill millions of people by your direct action. The way you people are able to convince yourselves that it's not your responsibility to avoid the deaths of billions of people is fucking fascinating, honestly. It's like you categorically cannot take responsibility for your choice. You need to launder it through this logically torturous labyrinth of caveats and smuggled assumptions before you can arrive at what's ultimately just a selfish decision. The intriguing part is not that you make the selfish decision but that you cannot admit that it's selfish. You not only want to be selfish but to feel like what you're doing isn't selfish at the same time. Fascinating stuff.
We know "everybody presses red button" will 100% not happen.So any arguments from "IF everybody presses red button" are moot.If >50% vote blue, nobody dies.If >50% vote red, people die.The blue outcome is the better one.The red outcome is in fact super bad. If 10% of people die at once, the world will turn to shit, things stop working in the short term, and the process will have selected for the more psychopathic people.Now if you are really really scared of dying, of course you got for red.Then there's Chud arguments that argue "oy, the stupid should die". Okay that's a position, fair, not really worth debating.If you really think blue winning is almost ruled out, due to selfishness or whatever, then red is also betterThere are some feeble blue arguments out of morality - one can mention those, but it's of course not super convincing.In the end, unless you're super scared of the process of your death, or if you have 0 credence in blue having a chance to win, and if you're not an edge Chud, then voting blue is more reasonable. The red win is just too bad of an outcome.tl;dr the my main point of mine is really the first. Any "IF everybody voted red" talking point is superflous, since everybody agrees that there will be blue voters (and unless you take the Chud possition, which I don't fully reject either to be sure, then people dying is too big of a cost.)I think that covers most of it.
>>533842816It’s literally, factually true. Blue is the only button that risks death. Red is guaranteed survival for everyone that presses it. You need to willfully choose the risk of death (blue) for anyone to die
>>533842816>Red is the death button100% pick red no one dies.The only risk of death to anyone comes from blue pushers.This is your brain after losing all the good genetic material in your country through 2 world wars btw
>>533842671You chose the only button that could kill people. Nothing you say can ever change that. You can try and pretend that it's their fault for pressing the only button that could save every one, but at the end of the day you are the one who chose to press the only button that would kill people. >>533842750>we can all healNot with all the red button pressers still alive. This scenario would kill proportionately far more whites than any other race. Your demographic problem after this event would make today's situation look like a joke. You will die, smothered in a red tide, but at least you will die among your own, brown rats.
>>533842657Why do you assume it is rational to press red? I have a small niece, too young to understand this. She's gonna press a random button at best. Every single person in my family is gonna press blue to ensure she's not gonna die. It's fair to assume the vast majority of humanity has people such as this, people they can't trust to make the "logically right" choice, so they're gonna maximise the chances of group survival.Redfags have to pretend every single human alive would slaughter millions, including their loved ones, for their own survival.
>>533842591As I understood your argument on the red winning by default hinges on the vote being private, which makes sense to me. If you can't factor that into the argument, how do you justify the red winning by default stance regardless? To me it seems that being aware of the voting ratios should affect your choice.
>>533842780>Press blue and enter a gameYou're just repeating an axiomatic belief now. I have just told you why you are not "entering the game" by pressing blue. You're already in the game. You don't get to opt out. Red isn't opting out -- it is an action which has consequences... which you even implicitly admit in the same breath by saying "press red and live."If you can admit that it's axiomatic and based on something other than logic, the torture can end.
>>533831376It's also the optimal choice, per common sense. Only one of these choices poses an unmanageable risk. It's a midwit gambit.
>>533842986>You chose the only button that could kill people. Nothing you say can ever change that. You can try and pretend that it's their fault for pressing the only button that could save every one, but at the end of the day you are the one who chose to press the only button that would kill people.No you chose the only button that could kill you, you chose to die.
>>533842964100% pick blue no one dies.90% pick blue no one dies.80% pick blue no one dies.70% pick blue no one dies.60% pick blue no one dies.51% pick blue no one dies.The only risk of death to anyone comes from red pushers.
You reds in this thread are mouth drooling retards. Red button pushers are cowards. That's all, blue pushers are the cream of the crop. The only reason this seems like a game, or that we can see red pushers bitch is only because A blue pusher influence others and that creates a culture, that creates the webbing connecting this together.Red is just a "don't die" button, the "desert from the military in the cold of night.. I only value my life" mindset. These people don't have anything valuable to say, because they interact with this idea only as an animal does, simple ape minded self preservation. Blue pushers are the creators of culture, of a mythos. It's an allure, red pushers are the literally a minority abusing their minority voices to bitch. We see the numbers, the blue mindset is the right mindset. Blue wins. Although you see blue people hold their tongue, their action is meaningful. It carries the conversation. Blue gets to actually be apart of it, they get to play a game. Red's dont.If you don't understand, let me it simpler: You grab a nigger out of Africa and put him in the voting both. Do any of us really think the nigger will think about his mom back in the African village hut? No that nigger only cares for himself and thus he picks red. Anyone can do that, but blue pushing is the real activity. All reds can say is>I don't get blues>Blues are RISKING their livesIt's a way a loser speaks. Blues naturally win out because blues actually play a game. In this game's game theory the risker move, based off the risk reward calculation is inherently the better option to play. 100% safe and you get nothing IS WORTHLESSThe odd's are so easy pass 50% really the risk reward is almost 0. Once even one person signifies blue. It's time to join that team. This pusher has already singled with actions, not words, they he believes in this cohort to pick the cooler move Blue always win because that's naturally compelling
>>533842991Because I don't give a fuck about your niece and beleive anyone too stupid to be told 'press red honey" and do it is not developed enough to offer any value to the world that we can't replace by fucking more.
>>533842656There is no moral question unless you press the blue button.
>>533842686>If you press the red button, nothing happens to you and you live. If you press the blue button, you die. However, if 50% of the entire population also decides to press the blue button, you don’t die.>If you press the red button, nothing happens to you and you live, but every one who does not press it dies. If you press the blue button, you might die, if less than 50% of the entire population decides to press the red button.These two scenarios are exactly the same logically speaking. You realize that right? The only difference is we used different wording. If you would choose differently in one situation over the other, you’re saying you lack reading comprehension.
>>533842795Your society is killing itself though so there's no problem.
>>533843004There is no game if you press red. You simply win, and it’s available to everyone. If you press blue you enter a gamble, will I live or die, a question that depends on whether or not others are as stupid as you
>>533830413Just tell everyone to press the red button? And press the red button on behalf of underage and retarded people (or not)? What's the dilemma here?
>>533842866>The way you people are able to convince yourselves that it's not your responsibility to avoid the deaths of billions of people is fucking fascinating,You don't understand. I would actively kill billions myself if I had the power.
THE BLUE BUTTON IS A CONDITIONAL SUICIDE BUTTON, YOU FUCKING NIGGERS. USE THE RED UNCONDITIONAL NON-SUICIDE BUTTON. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU IF YOU PRESS THE BLUE SUICIDE BUTTON. I REPEAT, I AM N-O-T RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU IF YOU PRESS THE BLUE SUICIDE BUTTON. PROCEED TO PRESS THE RED NON-SUICIDE BUTTON. ....WHY DID YOU PRESS THE BLUE SUICIDE BUTTON, YOU STUPID NIGGER?!??!
>>533843102you are free to believe this, however luckily the vast majority of humanity is not as psychotic as yourself and does not see humans, especially small kids, as interchangable biomass
>>533830413Idiots!!!!The point of the experiment is not "try to maximize the number of living." It's everyone trying to save their own individual life. And for that there is only ONE answer.
>>5338430730% pick blue no one dies 49% pick red no one dies39% pick red no one... Etc.It's a coin flip either way if you pick blue and 100% life for you and all other non babies and non retards if you pick red.
>>533843196You know by typing in all caps, you show the red side is the retarded side right?
>>533843228Enjoy your coin flip kraut
>>533830413You are not even told what the Red or Blue button does ahead of time>but if this survey was taken in America, and given the current state of affairs, people would equate the distress to whatever current political party is doing the damage, not taking into account future damage
>>533843125After reading this thread I don't think we can reach blue pushers, no matter how simple the logic is anon. May God have mercy on their souls.
>push red button>live regardless of outcomenotmyproblem.jpeg
I will say it again. Let's collect facts:* We know there are people who will end up pressing blue. Call them retared or illogical, this doesn't change the situation* The event "everybody presses red" will hence not happen* Therefore, any argument along the lines of "IF everybody presses red" is not worth having. It's not an argument.Given many blue voters leads to no deaths, while many red voters leads to certain deaths in praxis, a red voter is just a person who is afaid to die themselves, to the extent that trying to save others is not worth for them.It's weighing events against one another. Red is the Chud position, Blue is the whimsical position. The latter is a position one can take (Chud position). I'm just saying red is not in some sense "logical".
>>533843232lol nice tryyou can't make the 1:1 comparison because pepole do die with 90% red, 80% red, etc. so you just try a little trick and pretend a vote for red is a vote for a red minority
>>533832708>Thinking is evilbluetard lol
>>533843031The consequence of pressing the blue button could potentially kill me but that doesn't change the fact that I chose to pres the only button that would save every one. The consequence of pressing the red button will save you but that doesn't change the face that you chose to press the only button that would kill some one. You would be, a murderer. You didn't even kill people to save yourself, because you actively chose not to press the button that would kill no one. You played yourself, and if you won you would be left to a world of like minded midwits each looking to stab the other in the back.
>>533842991It’s amazing to see how every red button pusher in this thread is incapable of putting themself into another persons mind.They all think red is the "rational", "logic", or "intelligent" choice but they’re not even intelligent enough to not think about themself for a second.It’s a similar thought experiment as the marshmallow experiment that they do with kids.
>>533843325Why would saving dumb people matter more to me than my own life?I'd have to be either retarded or overly socialized for that to be true
>>533843345It's a vote for my life and the life of every other rational actor on earth
>>533843363>The consequence of pressing the blue button could potentially kill me but that doesn't change the fact that I chose to pres the only button that would save every one. The consequence of pressing the red button will save you but that doesn't change the face that you chose to press the only button that would kill some one. You would be, a murderer. You didn't even kill people to save yourself, because you actively chose not to press the button that would kill no one. >>You played yourself, and if you won you would be left to a world of like minded midwits each looking to stab the other in the back.No idiot, you pressed the button that endangers everyone who pressed it VOLUNTARILY.
>>533842927>If 10% of people die at once, the world will turn to shit, things stop working in the short termWhat things? If 10% of your colleagues were fired tomorrow (as it often can happen in a company), things would be hectic for a few days but still work fine.We have examples of roughly that many people being incapacitated to work due to a draft (world wars) or dying (spanish flu, black death)I mean, Ukraine is chugging along with 1/3rd of his pre-time population gone.In the mid to long term, even a 30 to 40% of the global population disappearing would be a boon for salaries, workplace conditions, real estate prices so on.
>>533843125Bingo!The question was intentionally worded oddly because it's an IQ test masquerading as a morality test.
>>533843366>It's amazing that some people think about things instead of doing what their kindergarten teacher would want them to doLol
>>533843125>If you press the red button, nothing happens to you and you live. If you press the blue button, you die.This is NOT a clean inversion. You are centering the locus on the individual rather than the actual scope of the problem. You are choosing to elevate yourself over the welfare of everyone else. That's valid, but it's also selfish because you are choosing the option which, if others choose blue, your choice kills them regardless. Again, this is a totally valid way to look at the problem, but if you choose to be selfish about it, you should be honest about it. That's the crux of the entire problem.
>>533843386>Why would saving dumb people matter more to me than my own life?Yeah I don't make a point towards this distinct question.I'm not rejecting what I call "Chud position". Admittedly, that's not an amicable term, but I'm fully granting that this is a viable perspective.I'm really just trying to show people that any if P (where P = "everybody votes red") logic is a fallacy, since we know that that not P
>>533843423boy you sure moved on quickly from the whole "blue is the death button business"which is good for you, really. that argument is retarded and redfags should stop making it. "fuck you got mine" is at least logically consistent
>>533843366I care about other people to an extent, but not more than I care about myself. Of course it’s easy to pretend and say you’re blue when there is literally zero risk involved and you’re warm and safe on your laptop. Imagine if you were actually in danger - if there was a man pointing a gun at you for example, or you were dangling off the edge of a cliff - you really think you’re going to risk death then? You really think most people will? Don’t be a fool
>>533843474No we're choosing to elevate ourselves over other people too stupid to pick the "stay alive" button
>>533843325>Therefore, any argument along the lines of "IF everybody presses red" is not worth havingAny argument along the lines of "but what if we get the blue vote over 50%, here's how Bernie can still win!" is also not worth having. Why do you thinking convincing (or forcing) a small minority of complete retards to press red is harder or less realistic than convincing the majority of humanity to put their lives on the line for said retards by pressing blue?
>>533843474The individual is the one pressing the button. It's literally an individual choice you retard.
>>533843325You retards fail to consider one thing. My own life is worth more to me than any number of retards. I don’t care if that includes 99.9% of people. As long as myself, my children, and a society large enough to support our needs still exist, I do not care if you live. Simple as.
>>533843125Your reading conveniently leaves out that you chose to press the only button that would kill people.
>>533843260>You know by typing in all caps, you show the red side is the retarded side right?You pressed the blue button, didn't you?Siiiigh...This is how the west died, btw.
>>533843325>Blue is the whimsical position.No blue is the retarded position. And unfortunately, there are retards that will kill themselves, in real life even, not in a dumb hypothetical scenario such as this. People not willing to risk their lives in order to stop these retards for killing themselves in real life, are not under any moral obligation at all to do so. If there is a very big and real chance that you will die trying to stop a guy comitting suicide, you simply don't stop it. And that's logical.
>>533843169>Your society is killing itself though so there's no problem.It’s red button pushers killing it. They import other selfish 3rd world trash people for their personal gain.Boomers are similar. I got mine, fuck future generations.That is you.
this thread is moving so fast no one will even notice that i'm a nigger
>>533843539Exactly. "Too stupid." That's how you JUSTIFY your selfishness. But it is, no matter how many times you invert P and Q, still selfishness. Just fucking admit it lmao
>>533843523No I haven't I just don't argue with stupid altruists.One button is the stay alive button and one is the maybe die button. Death is brought into the equation only by the existence of retards who press the "sure sign me up for death" button
>>533843585Get the fuck outta heah boy.
>>533843601I just admitted it you idiot It's a benefit to me to live in a world with 50% less woman brained retards in it.
>>533843544It's not just an individual, though. The results are adjudicated based on the aggregate decision.
>>533843549Did you remember to raise your children to be selfish retards? If no, enjoy digging their graves. If yes, enjoy the retirement home, retard, LMAOOO
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>>533843554>Your reading conveniently leaves out that you chose to press the only button that would kill people.You reading continues to leave out that you pressed the only button that makes you vulnerable to dying for no reason at all.
The biggest takeaway from this whole thread seems to be that reds can't own the implications of their choice, even if it's a good one.
>>533843685Of course I raised my children to know how to make rational decisions that's like the only job a parent has.
>>533843537but it's not a gun to your head or dangling on a cliffit would be a vote on a button. and yes, pressing blue carries more risk to your own life, but a) I don't think it's nearly as big a risk as redfags make it out to be, I think blue would win comfortably and b) it's a very odd view on what people value. sure, everyone values their life and doesn't want to die, but people frequently do risk themselves for others. it's not a black and white thing, that everyone will always put their own absolute security over everyone else's. that's just not the world.and, you know, as said elsewhere, most people have children or elderly or whatever in their lives, people who they would want to protect with a blue vote.
>>533843681The aggregate isn't making a collective choice, the individual is making an individual choice that happens to have a collective outcome. Those are different things you brown skinned idiot.
>>533842999My choice has nothing to do with it being private or not. I was pointing out that the retarded blue button pushers who think they won in this scenario are too retarded to realize that the scenario described wasn't played out. When the vote is private the voter is alone and has no pressure to performatively virtue signal, they can just do that afterwards regardless of which button they pushed. If you think that the number of people who only pushed the blue button because of what they saw other people saying and doing is less than 8% then you are truly a retarded blue button pusher.
>>533843717Or rather I should specify that some reds. There are honest ones too.
>446 posts>still in catalogwtf
>>533843474>>533843554The problem itself is the same. It doesn’t matter if some conclusions are not explicitly stated - they’re still true either way. And in any case, the main problem is simply realism - you can say you’d pick blue all you want in a hypothetical situation, if your life is ACTUALLY in danger I suspect you’d immediately start singing a different tune. At least red pickers are honest with themselves.
>>533843717The implication of what, that risking the lives of 5% of humanity is less dangerous than risking the lives of 49% of humanity? None of you seem to be considering what would happen if you campaign blue and fail just barely.
>>533843424>No idiot, you pressed the button that endangers everyone who pressed it VOLUNTARILY.Oh boy! I didn't consider this! You're right! I had better press the red button to make sure they die! Fuckin idiot hahahaha. You're so far into your own delusions you forgot the blue button is the only one that cannot ever do anything wrong. At most by pressing blue the worse that happens is I die. The best that could happen is my vote helps every one live.
>>533843618do I have to bring up percentages again so see which button clearly brings about more deaths?it's not altruistic to understand that when you vote for an outcome that, most of the time kills people, that's vote is the killer vote.
>>533843566Wrong again. Just push the fucking button retard.
>>533843656>I want to live in a world that is 100% brown and jewishSay it ain't so schlomo, hahahaha
>>533843812>Oh boy! I didn't consider this! You're right! I had better press the red button to make sure they die! Fuckin idiot hahahaha. You're so far into your own delusions you forgot the blue button is the only one that cannot ever do anything wrong. At most by pressing blue the worse that happens is I die. The best that could happen is my vote helps every one live.Finally we get down to the real reason to press blue, so you can feel like a victim in your own head.
Picrel: blue buttoners.
>>533843717It’s not my moral responsibility that someone else decided to gamble with their life
>>533843466Long therm planning is what ensures the survival of your group. Listen to your kindergarten teacher and not the kike giving you short term gratification.>>533843537I wouldn’t want to live in a low trust society like india desu. I would take the gamble and improve society or die instead of choosing to kill everyone that isn’t a selfish rat brain.
>>533842991Your niece and your family deserves to die, if your niece is too retarded, emotionally unstable, non-verbal, insane and aggressive to:>calmly listen to her parents and her family>follow their instructionsWhat kind of fucking monster is your family raising there? I thought our doctors encouraged all parents to abort children with down's syndrome. >Redfags have to pretend every single human alive would slaughter millions, including their loved ones, for their own survival.You can just coordinate the button press with your family, you know that, right? You don't have to theorize. You can just say "hey, just so we are all clear, we are going to press red".Why do you have this much of a low confidence in your family, your people, humanity? Doesn't that prove that it's good that some people die, when you can't reasonably expect them to either make a rational decision on your own or coordinate with the rest of humanity?>so they're gonna maximise the chances of group survival.Imagine if you also had to convince 50% of all alien life in a galaxy with alien life to press blue? The feeling your have right now pondering this is how I view humanity. Why sacrifice all of Europe potentially and have them press blue, if all of Africa, India and China can overvote us and vote red?VOTE RED
>>533843549>>533843537>I care about other people to an extent, but not more than I care about myself.While that may be true for you, this alone is not really enough to sway Red.The issue is that the outcome of Red (say >10% falling over dead) is really bad. Even if you hate every person, the world would fall into super chaos for a while.You can argue that it will recover, and the (more psycho) red people will lead to a stronger nation. I'm not rejecting this perspective. Just that the Red outcome is not just "you live", but is almost inevitably "you live - in a shitty world", whereas that's not the case in a blue outcome world>>533843565> not under any moral obligation Yeah sure, I'm not making an argument from morals.You can call blue people retards all you want, it doesn't help or matter. The question then only is if you want to save them. If you don't, sure okay.>>533843541Without further exchange of knowlesge/collaboration, it's clear that there will be leftover blue people.The scenario would not be interesting if the world had 10 years to prepare to vote. And if it had time to prepare (which is not the question at hand), then most people voting blue might also be the easier thing to convince people off, since then everybody is saved.But we're in hypothetica-upon-hypothetical scneario with that alrered question now.
>>533843827If your thesis is correct that only psychos press the red button then the percentages are 100% that everyone lives because 50% of humanity are not psychos and my game theory optimal approach has no effect.If your axiom (that only psychos press red) is wrong then your percentages are suspect and not persuasive to me.
>>533843561>Just bring up random bullshitdude we are talking about a twitter poll game and why people vote blue. This tenacity is real and it's admierable.If 50% of the French tribes bands together they can win. Something like thatRed voters are niggers, the west died because you have adopted the american nigger mindset .Do you think Africans wouldn't vote red? All Africans niggers think is about themselves. You have to question why you have the same answer as an African nigger
>>533843722I hope you spend all your money on end of life care then and leave nothing to your kids because you raised them to turf you into a REDtirement home full of niggers, kek.
>>533843904People who can long term plan pick red because it's the obviously strategically correct choice The "strategies" of idiot empaths is what brought my society to the brink of doom already
>>533843939she's 6 months oldyeah, she's pressing a button at random (if at all)
>>533843959I raised rational kids they would obviously take care of me to secure access to my resources
>>533843789The framing is what's important here. We can view the problem -- the same logical relationship -- from two different ways. These ways are different. You PREFER the way which centers the locus on the individual. I PREFER the locus which centers on the whole. I think it's more important to account for the welfare of the whole. I value selflessness and altruism. I think that the welfare of all human beings should be considered as equally as possible and, lacking literally any other identifier, that we should err towards the action which has no possibility of causing harm to others. You prefer the opposite -- that even if potentially 8 billion other people die because of your choice, that you should live.As an aside, I'm willing to die for what I believe in. You're apparently not.
>>533843710>for no reason at all.I chose blue to save every one. I know, it's something you couldn't comprehend. But if half of every one thought like me no one would die. Neat huh? You picked the only option that would kill every one who didn't think like you.
>>533843959>turf you into a REDtirement home full of niggers, kek.Just kill them if they can’t work anymore. You’ll save more money as a red button pusher.
>>533844000The idea that someone who isn't mentally capable of making an informed decision, a legal adult, is just asinine.
>>533843987Again, it's not (only) about morals or empathy.It's a calculus that people dying, which will happen when too many vote red, makes you live in a shitty world.You might hate everybody in the world, but still judge that many people dying would lead to a shittier world.And, also again, if you're super afraid of dying, then voting red is of course also the best options. Then you survive but might live in a shitty world - while you could have avoided the latter and still live. It's a tradeoff but not the trivial one some here want to make it to be.
>>533843871If more than 50% of the world is Jewish already (which it has to be for anyone to die) then I already am living in that world and Im doing pretty fine for myself.
>>533844071Yeah it is neat.
>>533843789I've already established what a world with only you niggers living in it would look like. It's not a world worth living in. I would pick blue.
>>533843941>Just that the Red outcome is not just "you live", but is almost inevitably "you live - in a shitty world", whereas that's not the case in a blue outcome worldWe already live in the blue outcome world and it's a very shitty world.
>>533844071>I chose blue to save every one. I know, it's something you couldn't comprehend. But if half of every one thought like me no one would die. Neat huh? You picked the only option that would kill every one who didn't think like you.No you didn't, anyone choosing blue is increasing the number of people in peril for no reason whatsoever. Also if the vote is private every woman in the world is voting red, because that's what they do when no one is looking. The only reason the poll on twitter is going to blue is because it's public.
>>533844113Why is a world with less dumb people in it shitty for me personally though?
