I grew up thinking I was white until I saw discussion questioning whether balkans are genuinely white. If balkans are white, are ashkenazi jews white too since they genetically overlap with greeks and italians? The typical answer is no, largely due to their self-identification as semites, viewing themselves as outsiders to the west. But then this begs the question: to what extent does personal identity influence whiteness? Does a raging liberal of northwestern euro ancestry stop being white? Or is he just a self-hating white?
only germanics are true whites
>>533835679Here in the UK Slavs and Balkan people are seen as on the same level as Pakistanis and Indians.
>>533835679Being white in america is a different concept than being white in europe
>>533836140I feel like it's largely politicized in the UK because you cannot speak ill of pakis or indians without social and potentially legal repercussions, so eastern euros get hit with all the anti-immigrant rhetoric. I support ethnic homogeneity for the UK though and don't think slavs should be there in large numbers>>533836283America's legal definition of whiteness is odd though because it include north africans and "white" hispanics, who are usually at least half non-white
>>533835679West of poland's eastern border. North of the Mediterranean. Simple as.
>>533835679Jews are euro-semitic mutts at bestBalkans are full Europeans, therefore they're WhiteStop the obfuscation. European descent=White, with some small, irrelevant and rule-confirming exceptions
>>533836421Yeah i just mean colloquially, in america you are considered generally white by just being descendent of european and not visibly nigged or asian in some way. I think its like this because there are so many minorities so theres no reason to split hairs on who is “white”
>>533835679Balkans are white because they are descended from serbs who are the progenitor race for all western europeans. Except for albanians
>>533835679I'm not sure liberals actually hate whites, honestly. I'm starting to think that's just propaganda. What seems to be true is that liberals don't prioritize whites. So if you're not prioritizing whites (like awhite nationalist does) it actually becomes pretty obvious that whites, as a group, are doing better than other races. Of course, this is just another from of the insipid identity politics which got us where we are. The most spent metric is, as always, class. Liberals should just stop with the racial fuck fuck games entirely and just help the poor.
>>533835679"white" generally means eastern european / north african / middle eastern / south american.People descended from what the racists call "the winner's circle" just because like 92% of everything good developed by mankind came from that small area in western europe are not "white". I'm quite sure they are all descended from something much older and likely more divine than the rest.
>>533837632"Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them here, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind."Benjamin Franklin 1751
>>533836421In the UK Slavs are known for murdering their children or being rapists.In almost every case of extreme child cruelty here where the parent starve and beat a child, the parents are Polish or something. We’ve also had a lot of Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Albanian rapists here. And the women tend to just be prostitutes.Slavs are seen as untrustworthy foreigners who don’t assimilate, just like Pakistanis.
>>533837939retards alert
>>533838130>t. pedro shmekelgruber
>>533838217a very white name by your own retard logic, thank you galaxy brain
>>533838130I've always thought of racial pride as a pretty big cope. Like how little must you have done in order to have only the color of your skin as a point of pride? It's somehow even worse than being one of those daddy's money rich kids. At least their dads ostensibly did something. White pride guys are so utterly devoid of personal merit that they need to try to usurp the accomplishments of people they're not even related to. I dunno, it just seems like pussy shit to me. If you want to be proud of something, maybe DO something you can be proud of. Being proud of something you didn't earn or work for is just kinda pathetic.
>>533835679For you it ends at 4.5%
>>533838455your narrative is a cope, I can be proud of my achievements, my parents can be proud of what I do, I can be proud of them, we can be proud of our people as a community, or any combination and if someone is not proud of themselves, their parents, or their community, then that's okay, its not the end of the world, anyone of these things does not negate or exclude the other you're the intellectual pussy
>>533838435I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you are an eastern world descended white crackerGood job freak
>>533838032Ol' Benny was dangerously based
>>533838732I want to assume you're a non white but theres a chance you're just a very stupid one lol, one of the two is an objective fact im just not sure which
>>533838833You're right, I'm not "white". I'm one of those aforementioned people descended from what you racist losers like to call "the winner's circle". post your hand.
>>533838639So no merit, huh? Merit and accomplishment are demoted to equality with... the color of your skin? That's a stronger form of the white pride argument, granted, but it still doesn't seem to provide upsides commensurate with its downsides -- namely arbitrarily turning the world into a competition of skin color tribes working against each other. Do you believe that whites should be elevated societally above people with other skin colors, and given preference by the government?
>>533835679Helping Trump Is not helping America, Its helping Israel
>>533835952Whites will kill each other lmao
>>533838990theres more to ethnicity/race than skin color and being proud of your nation or family is not arbitrary, niggers don't celebrate MLK for no reason at all yet 95% of them had no role in his achievements, and why nations compete with eachother is just shifting goal posts
>>533839489You didn't answer the question. Where do you see your nation in the hypothetical end state of this journey? Equal to other nations? Superior?
>>533839755you've been arguing against a benjamin franklin quote, the guy who signed all three docs, dec of inde, treaty of paris and the constitutionyou see what has come of his end-state
>>533835679damn i never knew bosnians, croatians and montenegrins were the same. i thought bosnians were muslims
Romans are the only real conquerors of the world, offering both brutality and beauty, unlike othersThe ancestors of Rome are white, the rest of you are hill tribe descendants and paupers colonized by big roman cock
>>533840348No, I'm not. Benjamin Franklin isn't in front of me. In fact, I didn't even respond to your post in which you quoted Franklin. He was an impressive man. You, however, are not Ben Franklin, are you?I'm asking you what your values are. This is the second time in a row you're refusing to answer. Why is that?
>>533840348when I said you see what has come of his end-state, in case you're blind his state is a super power, it became a super powerhow's angola looking? or sudan? chad? niger? congo? or whoever, I named a few so you dont think im cherry picking a specific shit hole of non whites you can be proud of
>>533835679Brother!
>>533835679I think there are nations where you are 100% guaranteed to be white if you are from that ethnicity, and there are others where you can possess a non-white phenotype/genotype. The nation's where you are guaranteed to be white are the Celtic, Germanic, and West Slavic nations. The ethnicities where you're 90% likely to be white are Russia, France, Romania, Northern Italy, but there's still a chance at having a non white phenotype. Then there's the nation's where I'd say there's a 50-90% chance to be white from their principal ethnicity. That's where I'd put central Italians, northern Spainish and some balkaners. Albania, Macedonia, Spain, Southern Italy and Greece are sub 50% likelihood to be white however not lower than 30. Lebanese, some North Africans and other southern Mediterraneans are sub 5% likely to be white but it's still possible. Being white isn't a black and white diving line, it's a gradient and there are people within the same cultural group who don't qualify as white.
>>533840645Okay, well, I'm just going to assume that you believe whites aren't lateral partners to blacks but instead superiors. The Ben Franklin stuff, while interesting in a kind of "Oh wow yeah I learned that in gradeschool, too," kind of way, isn't actually doing much to dispel my initial (seemingly correct) assertion: that white nationalism here is acting as a kind of proxy. If you can gesture to Ben Franklin, Angola, and the Congo, you are able to assume both the success of Franklim and the failures of the Congo without ever having to involve yourself or your own accomplishments. It's pride without accomplishment; a sense of accomplishment without engagement. You are so poorly equipped to discuss that which you ostensibly take pride in that, when asked a simple question, you can't even negotiate the first sequence in the discussion. You starfish immediately to better men and nations external, flailing directionally in the (vain) hope that you will, ironically, be justified in your insipid sense of superiority by the presence and implications of what you invoke. White supremacy is lazy. It's for lazy people with no accomplishments but a sense of superiority they need.
>>533835679Who cares yall the same
>>533840612I thought this all was in a reply chain from my comment here >>533838032its the only comment I made that referenced preference to whites until you started the anti-pride cope I believe in hierarchies(superiors and subordinates) that's the real world and have preference to white people but the hierarchy of nations, whether one is economically or militarily superior does not care about someones preference, yes US is majority white and a super power, and yes the nation my bloodline comes from is also superior to every non white nation at the moment I could see a timeline where tables turn through no fault of genetics on either side
>>533841635youre getting hyperbolicthis feels more like a broad moral statement than a concrete argument. What, specifically, makes pride ‘unearned’ in your viewbeing proud of your nation or its history isn’t inherently wrong, it’s a normal human impulse across cultures. Right now you’re making assumptions about motives instead of addressing the point
>>533836140in canada brits are seen as trailer trash. Italians are classy. French are insane . indians and muslims are pakies. We do not differentiate. It a blob
>>533835679All americans are Jews.
>>533841635>>533842230also you have to learn to respect hierarchies before you can learn how to climb them, that's how I know you're self projecting the zero accomplishments thing, odds are my people have contributed far more than yours both historically and presently, odds are I contribute more to society now than you, too
