How do you recover from the realization that atheism is imaginery and that your own parents indoctrinated you from a young age before you could think for yourself?
>An antichrist is not just a single future villain, but a principle of opposition to truth: in the New Testament, especially in the letters of John the Apostle, it refers to anyone or anything that denies or distorts the reality of Christ, meaning the recognition of divine truth and unity; later traditions sometimes imagine a final, powerful deceiver, but the deeper idea is already present wherever fear replaces love, illusion replaces truth, and separation is believed to be real, so the "antichrist" is less a person you must find in the world and more a false way of seeing that can appear in any mind that turns away from what is true.>In the New Testament, again, especially in the writings attributed to John the Apostle, "antichrist" is not defined as "someone who doesn't believe in God," but as one who actively denies or opposes the truth of Christ in a deeper sense (often framed as rejecting the nature or reality of Christ altogether). That's a much narrower and more specific claim than simply being an atheist. Many atheists are not engaged in opposing Christ; they just don't find the claim convincing, or they interpret reality differently. If you stretch the term to include everyone who disagrees, it stops being meaningful and turns into a label for "anyone outside my belief," which isn't what the original texts are doing.So... we are not dealing with Atheists here, we are dealing with antichrists. They are right wingers and leftists.
>>533838676>realizationDelusional *
>>533838754Don't know if Christianity is correct. How are you supposed to tell which religion is undeniably true?
>>533838918https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramakrishna#God-realisation_via_various_traditions
>>533838832Prove to me atheism is true. I'm waiting.
>>533838918>which religion is undeniably trueThe one that does not act like actual satanic demonic controlled minions maybe?
>>533838971I fail to see how this proves anything.
>>533839134If you're not low IQ you will understand after reading it.
>>533839169>I spoke to a talking elephant yesterday. If you don't believe my experience than you're low IQOh well, guess I'm low IQ.
God is a concept, a word, you dont have to trouble yourself if you believe or notthe concept is simple, an awareness that created reality and everything that happens happens because of that awareness and our awarenessesGod is just the idea that reality is intelligently created, period I do think that yes indeed God is an accurate idea hypothesis aka God is real duuuuuuhhyou guys are so fucking dumb its painful
>>533839402I don't care about your replies. I'll not even read it.If you're interested, you can read the link. If not, not my problem. Bye.
whether you believe or not in the God hypothesis, that shouldnt matter and that should intrude in the discussion about God atheists are the ones that most believe in God as they are the ones obsessed with "the hypothesis" and they define themselves in opposition to the hypothesis, they are sectarians, absolute believers
>>533839015Such as?
>>533839649I read your link. It proves nothing at all.
and the only religion that operates by force is Islamis the only one, so in Islam you have no choice to "believe or not", but Christianity for example, the hypothesis is implied in the word "believe", yes they are a bit retarded with that eternal hell conception but still Christians are not forcing you thats why its called "belief" because its something you do, nothing forces you the only religion that forcing you with the thread of death, is Islamfuck you leftards, you are retarded and you need to fucking die already
>>533838676Everyone is born an atheist
you know what I believe? I believe leftards need to fucking die already
>>533838979Atheism is just an opinion about the existence of God or gods
it is time for the mass extermination to commence
and the reason you need to die is because you are commie that supports muslims that want to conquer the west, not because you are "atheists"kill yourselves leftards, kill yourselves
>>533838676its the other way around.God isnt real but people deluded themselves and got brainwashed into believing otherwise.and for some reason a lot of very dumb people seem to need this delusion to function.
>>533838979>Prove to me atheism is true. I'm waiting.There is no evidence a deity or deities exist. It is like saying prove to me that a race of advanced aliens don't live in the Earth's core. I can't prove it to you but there is no reason to believe it no evidence it is true. Atheism is the truth whether you want to accept it or not
>>533838918From a secular perspective it holds up to the most moral scrutiny. It advocates for peace and loving your neighbors and not resorting to violence. Never says kill infidels. Promotes healthy family values. On Pascals wager alone, that's where I'd place my bet.From a religious perspective, all other religions are about trying to reach God. In Christianity, God revealed himself to us and sacrificed his Son(also God) to take on the guilt of all humanity's sins. He bridged the gap for us. All others have a gulf btwn man and God that is unreachable.Also the Scripture has remarkable consistency for being so old. I do not however subscribe to biblical literalism. Exodus was a Jewish legend with contradictory evidence in the archeological record. I believe these were stories to teach a lesson up to a hard point to identify in the OT where it becomes historically accurate. The NT is true and lines up quite well historically.
>>533840394>Exodus was a Jewish legend with contradictory evidence in the archeological record. I believe these were stories to teach a lesson up to a hard point to identify in the OT where it becomes historically accurate. The NT is true and lines up quite well historically.These other religions are legendary but mine is real.
>>533838676they are not capable of rational thought that is why they are atheists.
>>533839938No, everyone is born agnostic.. Atheism needs to be shoved down your throat to believe it.>>533840148You're deflecting and evading.When people say "I believe God doesn't exist", do you have doubts? All you have are their words, not proof. So Im asking you to show me.>There is no evidence a deity or deities exist.I'm no longer sure about any of this anymore. Can you show my any solid evidence that no deity or deity exists? Show me proof of the zero instead of desperately shifting the claim and burden of proof onto others.
>>533840510No the Jewish scholars is Israel think that too. The ones with the most incentive to prove the Torahs claims.Yes I put more stake in a document that is over 1000 years more recent with historically verified figures.
>>533840678>No, everyone is born agnosticAgnostic atheist
>>533840083>God isnt realNow show me your proof anon. How can I be sure atheism isnt a delusion? Because you say so?
>>533840148>reality is based on laws we can calculate>it all just came from nothingthis is simply not logical. if there exist laws then there must also exist a law maker.
>>533840800>>God isnt real>Now show me your proof anonLet's see which God or gods show up to prove him wrong
>>533840510And Cyrus was real. The kings listed in 1st and 2nd kings are real. So it does begin to line up. Believing God made earth in a matter of earth days is foolish and not utilizing God's gift of reason.
>>533840083the functions and mechanics of the human DNA proves beyond doubt that there is an intelligent creator.go study STEM.
>>533840782This... might be the most idiotic thing I have ever read in my life. How is it even possible to be this stupid?Are you fucking trolling?
>>533840955Try moving past ad homs bud
>>533840678>I'm no longer sure about any of this anymore. Can you show my any solid evidence that no deity or deity exists?How could I show you this if I can't travel the universe and go back in time? Why would the burden of proof be with me you are the one hypothesizing that an all powerful creator exists or existed. What is the evidence that supports your hypothesis? Science is advancing our knowledge of ourselves and the world wall the time, does the Bible mention DNA?
>>533840837Nothing about reality is logical. Study anything deep enough and it breaks down into extremely complex systems which you could easily call illogical. Jumping to these extreme, abstract conclusions because people wrote stories about it hundreds of years ago is retarded. Why not just observe nature and study what we can study and accept that we don't have all the answers. We are constantly making new discoveries from observing reality. Knowledge is always changing. Nah bro lets cling to some random stories from people hundreds of years ago who knew a fraction of what we know now
>>533838676Once you realize atheism is pushed by jews as a means to undermine tradition and family values, things begin to make a lot more sense. I'm sorry I ever feel for it.Just remember, enlightenment without a purpose is an illusion.
>>533840837>this is simply not logical. if there exist laws then there must also exist a law maker.The laws that govern the universe could have come from natural processes.
>>533840714>Yes I put more stake in a document that is over 1000 years more recent with historically verified figures.About a guy who walks on water and brings the dead back to life?
>>533838676Just use ur brain and experience life and come to your own conclusions, retarded faggot bot
>>533840782>>533841003>>533840782>Gnostic Theistmakes a claim that God exists>Ghostic Atheistmakes a claim that God doesn't exist>Agnostic Theistmakes a claim that God exists>Agnostic Atheistavoids making any claim, tries to deflect. Here, it should say "Believes there is no God/gods, but doesn't claim to know with 100% certainty that there isn't one"Now tell me anon, do you also lack belief that God doesnt exist? Yes or no?Lets see how smart you think you are.
>>533838676Start reading the New Testament, especially the Johannes Evangelium. I liked it very much.The Shroud of Turin is undeniable evidence, if you need it
>>533841114Math is logical, so your argument falls apart at its base.>Nah bro lets cling to some random stories from people hundreds of years ago who knew a fraction of what we know nowcommon delusion that people of the past where all drooling retards.we still havent figured out how the pyramids where build, we cant replicate roman concrete, massive empires like Babylon existed.but yet here we sit jerking ourselves over fake AI llm's.if anything, the people of today are the biggest retards in all of human history.>>533841148this conclusion is delusional. we even know the lawmaker since he gave us instructions on how to life a peaceful and good life.but humans simply break his commandments non stop creating an evil and hostile environment for themselves.if nobody would steal, nobody would kill you wouldnt need locks for your doors or law enforcement or weapons.
>>533841300>>Agnostic Theist>makes a claim that God existsIncorrect. Believes God exist but isnt claiming it. . Which means they can then move into lack if belief >>533841300>>Agnostic AtheistLacks belief, which can change to belief We all start there. With lack of belief because we lack any knowledge of God or gods
>>533841567>we even know the lawmaker since he gave us instructions on how to life a peaceful and good life.It's just an old book bro. >if nobody would steal, nobody would kill you wouldnt need locks for your doors or law enforcement or weapons.Laws against murder and theft were on the books in classical Greece and Rome before Christianity existed.
>>533840782This.Agnostic atheism is the most logical worldview: In the absence of credible evidence, it is reasonable to not believe in things. But you can never be 100% sure.
>>533841006>How could I show you this if I can't travel the universe and go back in time?which is why atheism is imaginery. You guys don't have the answer, and if an atheist argues they do then it's just a belief.>Why would the burden of proof be with me you are the one hypothesizing that an all powerful creator exists or existed.because saying there isn't one is also a claim. And once you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you. This is what my parents told me, but now I see it was only a figment of their imagination. They never knew anything but still drilled it into my head before I could think. Kinda like what youre doing right now.Why aren't you bothered that our world was likely Created? The Universe had a beginning, so where did it come from? Scientists say life might have originated from intelligent alien life which came to Earth, but isnt this still intelligent design? They also argue we could be living a computer simulation, but isn't this also intelligent design?>Nah bro lets cling to some random stories from people hundreds of years ago who knew a fraction of what we know nowonly 1 of these stories need to be true. And what if there is one... but your ignorance kept you back?
>>533838918Find the black cube, then avoid it, until no more black cubes remain.
>>533838676>believes magic, omnipotent ceature exist>asks other to disprove his bullshitFucking classic. God is a unicorn i keep in my basement. I fuck it 3 times a day, disprove it.
>>533840394>Exodus was a Jewish legend The entire first half of the Bible is s jewish legend
>>533841720>It's just an old book bro.the most replicated and wide spread book for a fact.you would think people would drop something that is not magnificent.>classical Greece and Rome before Christianity existedChristianity starts with Genesis and thus predates greece and rome by large.
>>533838676I was raised christian, I became atheist on my own with no external influence. Anyone who isn't retarded can see that religion is fiction, like any other childish fairy tale.
>>533841600Do you seriously not see how idiotic your post? Can you even think on your own?Just answer this anon, atheists say they believe that God doesn't exists. Are you also skeptical about this belief - yes or no?
>>533838979Because the very concept of God is incoherent on multiple accounts. Nuff said, won't do your homework.
>>533842121>Are you also skeptical about this beliefStupid people are usually very self assured
>>533842121>Are you also skeptical about this beliefI lack belief until evidence sufficient enough convinces me otherwise about the existence of God or gods
>>533840678I'd probably argue that people are born closer to God than most. It's as we get older that we choose to sin and become more corrupted. When you're born you're still pure, innocent, have wonder and humility. It's why Jesus says unless you turn and become like children, then you will never know the kingdom of heaven. Being one with Christ isn't an intellectual pursuit, it's for everyone at any age. And being reborn in Christ makes you return to that state of innocence, wonder, and humility.
>>533838979Prove to me a-unicornism is true. You can't prove the invisible unicorn that stands behind you isn't real.
>>533841822>because saying there isn't one is also a claim.Positive claims about supernatural entities require proof. Negative claims are the default rational position.
>>533841853I dont believe anything supernatural, anon. Never did and never will. But what if God didn't perform anything supernatural? What if there is such a religion but you never read it?>Fucking classic. God is a unicorn i keep in my basement. I fuck it 3 times a day, disprove it.Strawman. I never said your basement is empty, anon. But if you told me "My basement is clearly empty because unicorns don't exist..." then I might suspect youre actually hiding something in there. Perhaps drugs or money or a dead body.
>>533841148That's a circular argument. What governs the natural process though? In the natural process itself are laws.
>>533838676Read this..No I'm not joking. It'll give you hope and many answers.
>>533842229Do you also lack belief when people insist that God doesn't exist, or does this only apply against theists? Your insecurity is showing, anon. In other words, even you have doubts about atheism. That's why I left it.
>>533842596>The descendants of giants
>>533842662>Do you also lack belief when people insist that God doesn't existYour question doesn't make sense. I think gnostic atheism is unreasonable
>>533842596>Genesis 6blew me away finding out the law was added because of transgressions of the watchers.
>>533842469>I dont believe anything supernatural, anon.Deities are supernatural.
>>533838979Burden of proof is on you, dummy.
>>533842805Thanks for admitting that atheism is unreasonable.>>533842966There are theists who argue that God isnt supernatural. What do you say now, anon?
>>533838676I realised religion is a load of shit at the age of 6 after my school tried pushing religious classes on me.Somehow, grown adults struggle with this level of critical analysis.
>>533843033Revelation is 100% accurate with the human history since Jesus ascended.
>>533843033>My basement is empty. What, you don't believe me unless I open it up and show you inside? I don't need to show you my basement is empty just like I don't need to show you that a unicorn doesn't exists. Unicorns aren't real, so therefore... theres nothing inside my basement"Are millenials actually like this? Then no wonder our society is fucked beyond repair.>>533843283I wish I realized atheism is nothing but a load of shit at that age when people were indoctrinating me. At least I found out in my late teens.
>>533843312>Jesus ascended.Cool story, Dieter.
>>533843670>BibleGod exists.Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Burden of proof is on you, dummy.
>>533843687the book of Revelation is the proof.
Agnostic atheist is where i am at i've read the bible and really tried to accept it even looking past the crazy shit in the old testiment but the problem i have is this.If God exists then why is there evil (suffering, pain, everything bad)? If God is all powerful couldn't he have made the world without it and if he had to so that we can grow or be redeemed or any other nonsense theist sprout then why? Couldn't he just skip to the end and have us save from the begining? Why the punishment if we "fail" or turn away from him? Why have us exist at all? Why have the rules of logic demand there be opposites like good and evil to begin with? The natural rules of the universe don't make sense if a just God exists.So logically God is either evil or apathetic to humans and thus not worth worship or he just doesnt exist at all.
>>533842877Those watchers were 200 of god's sons.
>>533841567The fact that you just say "math is logical" shows me you have a low iq. You've never learned more than a basic elementary level of math. Not only that but youre jumping to huge conclusions about the universe and physics when you havent studied math. This is a classic low iq behavior, rooted in ego and narcissism. Religion especially appeals to low iq people who cant critically think or understand deep abstract topics such as advanced math/physics
>>533843670>So dedicated to being contrarian he believes in supernatural beings
>>533843857satan is a son of God too.>>533843897tbf I only have the math knowledge of the first two semesters of STEM study.>abstract topics such as advanced math/physicsat this point science has to make stuff up to make their false models work.the main problem was always treating atoms as particles when they are not.
>>533843783Im not Christian, anon.I just don't know which religion is true. Maybe it's Christianity or Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism or who knows. So how do I find this out?I don't want to just give up and say I never did any research whatsoever. Being agnostic about the truth is a humiliation ritual.
>>533838918You could do your research on different religions and what they say. But I would advise you to steer away from any church, any denomination, any priest, anyone who wants to tell you what to believe. Read the holy books of religions if you are inclined to. There's a lot to read so maybe you should find some summaries first, but you need to be careful to find some that aren't interpretative (all interpretations are pozzed)
I love the anti-christ, satan is my daddy, and god isn;t real. Jesus's mother was raped by a roman soldier, and jews had jesus arrested for claiming to be the messianic king when he was just a schizo.
>>533838918Zero religion are true Buddhism is true but not really a religion
>>533843814>Agnostic atheistNo anon, you're not an atheist. You never were and never will be.>If God exists then why is there evil (suffering, pain, everything bad)?I'll be honest, this is one of the few things I don't have an answer to. But maybe theres an answer somewhere in a holy book. Maybe our perspectives are warped. And a lot of our suffering is avoidable, but people are terrified of taking responsibility for their choices.
>>533838918If you don't hear the called, then you are probably destined for Hell.
>>533844048Thats the plan, but I might ask priests for help if they're knowledgeable and willing. I will do the reading, but... it's a lot of reading. And we live in the misinformation/disinformation age.>>533844259>Buddhism is true but not really a religionThe amount of braindead comments in this thread doesnt cease to amaze me.
>>533844259Buddhism is a religion. You need faith to understand Karma. You need faith to understand that actions have consequences.You need faith to understand that doing good thing will lead to good result, and doing bad thing will lead to bad result.You need faith to believe in the words of Buddha.
>>533844309>>answer somewhere in a holy book Why have us have to look for the answer at all?>>Maybe our perspectives are warped.Why would God make that even possible?Why the trails and tests? Why have suffering be something that can be avoidable and allow us to experience it? Where is the responsibility of God for his choices? None of it makes any sense if God is just.
>>533844719All suffering is a result of Karma aka your own actions.
>>533843807>Muh Bronze Age fairy tales tho...Lol...
>>533844895The book of Revelation is Prophecy.
>>533844895willful ignorance is a sin.
>>533844031>I just don't know which man made mythology is true.None of them are true, anon. They are all silly stories made up by even sillier people.
>>533844888Right, but why would a just God make a system that allows for there to be negative Karma to begin with? Why allow for us to make those immoral decisions to begin with? A test? That sounds evil, why test us? for his own pleasure?Ah but we need it for freewill, right? But why? If God created everything, he designed logic itself. Then why make logic demand evil and good to exist for freewill?
>>533844927>My bronze age fairy tale is a prophecy.Uh huh... Sure.
>>533844959That's some pretty deep irony there.
>>533845081Is atheism true or made up, anon?How do you know every single religion is false? Only 1 is needed to true. Did you actually read them all for yourself?What about atheist religions? What if one of them is true?
>>533845256Fairy tale is implied a myth or history. The book of Revelation is about the Ending of the world.
>>533845211>why would a just God make a system that allows for there to be negative Karma to begin withBecause the people who invented BibleGod made Him in their image and likeness. Unfortunately, the people who invented BibleGod were assholes.
>>533845256You're arguing with people who believe the claims of a man 2000 years ago that he had unverifiable visions from God that no one but he saw.
>>533844523After being an athiest for 15 years I decided confessing in my local church so instead I went to Jasna Góra in Częstochowa (the most holy place in Poland) to confess. I told the priest things I never confessed to anyone and I told him I want to learn about religion from the Bible and I asked him to recommend me some super old, non-pozzed polish translation. He recommended Millennium Bible."A translation from the year 1000! This is what I wanted!" I thought.It's from 1965.Never ask a priest, even in confessional he will lie to you like a dog.
>>533840678why are christkikes so stupid?
>>533845211The strong do what they must, and the weak suffer what they may.
>>533845395I decided confessing in my local church wasn't enough*
>>533845403You are stupid.
>>533845328>The book of Revelation is about the Ending of the world.So is Cormac McCarthy’s The Road. That doesn't change the fact that it is a work of fiction.
>>533838676Now you become based and ChristPilled
>>533845479you're a gook
>>533845502I'm the chosen ONE of God.
>>533845486It's irrelevance because that writer is not an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
>>533845522>chosen>memflagChecks out.
>>533845597*e
>>533845597In all Heaven and EarthIn all that existed and will exist for all of EternityI, alone, am the chosen ONE of God.
>>533845634A real schizo.Sweet.
>>533845699I have seen God. Yes.
>>533845522>>533845634>>533845768This is the problem so many of you theist types just turn out to be mentally ill.I'm not christian but one reading of the bible is all it takes to know even by their crazy standards you're a schizo among schizos
>>533845851I am mentally superior to all of you. I can beat you in chess you stuoid bitch.
>>533845395>>533845446I know, a lot of people lie whether they're religious or not. It's a difficult task and I'll try my best to be careful.>>533845486Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian is fiction, but Samuel Chamberlain's My Confession: Recollections of a Rogue (which Blood Meridian is based on) is not.I never read the whole Bible, so I cannot say if it's fiction or not until I do the reading. All I have is messy and contradictory information from many people. Have to research myself.
>>533845919>I am mentally superior to all of you.Obviously.
>>533845211If there was a loving God, would he force you to love him? Or would he let you choose? Is a forced love even love at all?
>>533845851>I'm not christian but one reading of the bible is all it takes to know even by their crazy standards you're a schizo among schizosLike I said, I never read the Bible so I can't say this yet. But what about the Quran, anon? Or Vedas? Or Buddhist Canon? Have your read any of these? Or did you blindly decide they were all false because you were insufferably lazy?
>>533846130Point to someone smarter than me in this thread.
>>533845919>>HAHA i am le epic troll i have fooled them into thinking i am schizo and will now start talking about chess to throw them off >:)You are a crazy and retarded?
>>533846272>A low tier amateur think he can understand the thought of a grand master.All of you are low tier, and stupid.
there is no recovery. you cannot just believe in something because you happen to like the idea of it. You cannot just WILL belief into being.
>>533846153I looked into them all mainly pure land buddhism and Orthodox christianity and honestly the most resonable of them all is christianity the rest are way out there in terms of morallity and believability if you have to pick one just go christian. I just don't think any of them awnser basic logical reasoning outside their set myths and lore.
>>533846389>cannotSkill issues. God Almighty has no ((cannot)), only ((will not)).
"this black matter exists but we cant see it or touch it or even detect it">but a being beyond our human comprehension does not exist goy!
>>533846153Also i wouldnt even consider the Quran or islam a real religion. Its just a freaky perv that was coached by arian priests and pagans in the desert to build a cult that lets him fuck kids and have a harem.
>>533838676>indoctrinated you from a young age before you could think for yourselfThe absolute ironing, my fucking sides
>>533838676Just get on with your life. Forgive and move forward. Wasting your future won’t fix a wasted past. That’s just putting good money after bad.
>>533846648There are Islamic scholars who say pedophilia in forbidden in Islam and Mohammed never married a child. Unreliable sources tell us he did have a harem, but these same sources tell us he hever had any children with these women. Did he marry them only for political reasons?Be honest anon, have you read the Quran?
>>533846648Islam is a real religion born at around the 666 AD. The Muhammed is real, and has conqeuered as evidence for his existence. The number is suspicious however, as warned by John the Apostle.>This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[a] That number is 666.
>>533846389This is the problem i had, it's nice to have religion and believe in afterlife and God so you try to believe and try to accept but when you look into it it just doesnt make any sense.
>>533846964Muhammed conquered an entire continent, and somehow you stupid shit still see him as a myth. Just show how blinded you are.
>>533846811>Just get on with your life. Forgive and move forward.Easier said than done. It's like my entire life was a fucking manipulation and lie.
>>533838676Christ is our Lord and Savior
>>533846819>>There are Islamic scholars who say pedophilia in forbidden in IslamThe most widely accepted hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim is that Aisha bint Abi Bakr was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation, and this remains the dominant position in Sunni Islam. is 9 years old an adult or a child?in Sahih al-Bukhari and also in Sahih Muslim where Aisha bint Abi Bakr reports “I used to wash the semen off the garment of the Messenger of Allah while it was still fresh, and he would go out to pray while traces of water were still visible on it.”Does this sound moral or like something you want to be involved with anon?Be honest anon, have you read the Quran?
read plato. familiarize yourself with his/parmenides form of apophaticism. how he uses deductive reasoning to come to answers. in the early plato books like the republic, he makes totally noob mistakes, like that god must necessarily be good. but thats somewhat misleading. good = god. but what is our definition of good based on? reality? god's role in reality? a perfect being? our conception of good is very likely not god. god made us with a pain:pleasure threshold like 10:1, god made a world where we are constantly starving, and animals are forced to eat one another and die in the maws of other animals. nature is very metal. but we lose sight of that with things like laws, which are supposed to be based on the gods, but are not. so now we live in a dysgenic hellhole
>>533846153It's much more than reading the Bible and asking yourself if you think it's true. It's why these conversations don't really go anywhere because they are held on a single plane if you determine by certain logical processes if something is true. It's deeper than that and more abstract. Thus it starts to be more difficult to talk about. We're talking about spirituality and a spiritual life and it takes a deep humility to even see that it's something that exists. It really starts with humility, acknowledging how little you know. Not the pride in all the things you think you know. If you're not sure where you stand, try praying to God. You'll probably feel foolish, crazy, full of doubts, etc. and that's your pride stopping you from entering into the spiritual life. But keep going. Examine your life, how you were deceived, weak, sinful, and truly humble yourself. Keep going. And start to ask for forgiveness, ask for help with your struggles, and so on. It really starts with humility. If you're not humble, you will just read these books and judge them by your current mentality. No different than the prideful atheists that read the Bible and pick it apart. Humility, humility, humility. That's where it truly starts.
>>533838676Christianity is 78% non-WhiteWorshiping a jew just isn't in our interests.Christianity serves no purpose.It does not act on behalf of European people's interests, there is nothing racial about it and if you make it about race they'll throw you out.It's universal jew cult that offers no defense and it's a weapon being used against us.
>>533847427>The most widely accepted hadith>in Sahih al-Bukhari and also in Sahih Muslim where Aisha bint Abi Bakr reportsOkay... well, this is technically correct. But anon, it's horrendously misleading. Are you going say what hadits actually are, or should I?
>>533847610The Bible is basically a total fraud and forgery. Great deception much like the holocaust.The Bible is self-serving jewish trash.Mein Kampf should be required reading in school.
>>533847641EXTREMELY based post.
This thread stinks of abrahamist cope.
>>533847759Thanks for proving the point.
>>533847427If you don't accept Chridtianity then Islam can come and conquer you instead. God Almighty is a grand Master beyond your comprehension.https://youtube.com/shorts/Fz16orQndUQ?si=herfTGtiTlbSrzbP
>>533847759>Mein Kampf should be required reading in school.Hitler also felt embarassed by Mein Kampf and tried to distance from it in his later years.
>>533847641>Odin wants you to win and have sexual successOdin also enjoyed necrophiliaI don't think this religion is for me because it wasn't even preserved. Viking religion is lost in the past. We mainly have unreliable oral records. So why even bother reading it?
>>533847719Oh right, what are you gonna say now "erm actually the hadiths aren't the quaran and are just the oral teachings of the prophet to better understand the quran" pure semantics avoiding the point that these are the direct/approved teachings of the prophet and core parts of islamic beliefs.>>it's horrendously misleading.is sex with a 9 year old wrong?Are the hadiths i quoted untrustworthy?Why so defensive about islam all of a sudden?
>>533848204>is sex with a 9 year old wrong?Why is it wrong?
>>533838676the same way I realized question begging is a limitation of sibling offspring
>>533848204Anon, hadiths are completely unreliable sources. They were written down like 200 years after the Quran. In other words, Aisha never said any of this, Only some random guy 200 years later argued that she said it. Buttoday, people who say Muhammad was a pedophile insist it's true because "it clearly says here that Aisha said so." See how stupid it sounds?Of course pedophilia makes me vomit. If Islam approves it then I'll never accept Islam. But I found scholars who insisted the Quran forbids pedophilia. But I have no way of being certain, because i don't speak Arabic.>these are the direct/approved teachings of the prophet and core parts of islamic beliefs.Which is the problem with many religions (like Judaism and Buddhism). Believers are taught traditions which were added many years later instead of the core text.Why so defensive about islam all of a sudden?Because Islam might be true? And I'm sick of all the Islamophobes telling me what to think.
>>533838979>proving a negativeSo you’re a retard then. I guess any of the semitic slave cults would be a good fit to you, be it Christianity or Islam. Kikes will have a need of goycattle the likes of you.
>>533848892Im not asking you to prove me a negative, anon. I'm asking you to prove me a fucking zero.But since you can't think like cattle, I guess the brainrotten doublespeak of agnostic atheism will suit you well.
>>533848786>>Because Islam might be true?These are core taught hadiths of the largest sect of mainsteam islam they are the highest level of authenticity in islam.But okay lets say like you do in your own post that hadiths arent trust worthy, boom islam is corrupted can we move on now and talk about actual religions not this paedo cult... Or do you want to go over every single historical falsehood in the quaran?>>I'm sick of all the Islamophobes telling me what to think.I don't know what to say, you cant be taking this cult seriously are you? Islamophobes? Are you retarded this is crazy you are a european right? how can you not hate them after the slaughter and destruction they have wrought on us for 1000s of years?
>>533849763>But okay lets say like you do in your own post that hadiths arent trust worthy, boom islam is corrupted can we move on nowNo, because the Quran still wasn't disapproved.>Or do you want to go over every single historical falsehood in the quaran?List whatever you have. Or recommend me a book. If you give me a solid source then I'll gladly read it.>I don't know what to say, you cant be taking this cult seriously are you?Have you ever read the Quran anon? Or do you just blindy listen what others told you about it?> Are you retarded this is crazy you are a european right?Christianity and Judaism also arent from Europe. Should I also ignore these?> how can you not hate them after the slaughter and destruction they have wrought on us for 1000s of years?I dont know anon, I only have issues against Turks and the Arab invasion of Spain. But the slaughter they brought is small compared to what the rest of Europe did.
>>533850250>>If you give me a solid source then I'll gladly read it.My source the quran itself:Haman in Egypt (Surah 28:6, 29:39, 40:36-37): The Quran places Haman as a minister to Pharaoh in Egypt during Moses' time. Historically, Haman was a Persian official under King Ahasuerus, living roughly 1,000 years after Moses. The Samaritan and the Golden Calf (Surah 20:85-88, 95): The text claims a "Samaritan" led the Israelites to worship the calf after the Exodus. However, the Samaritan group and the region of Samaria did not exist until centuries later. Mary as Aaron's Sister (Surah 19:28): The Quran addresses Mary, mother of Jesus, as "sister of Aaron," confusing her with Miriam (sister of Moses and Aaron), who lived over a millennium earlier. Crucifixion in Ancient Egypt (Surah 12:41, 20:71): The Quran mentions crucifixion during the time of Joseph and Moses, whereas this form of punishment was introduced much later, notably by the Persians. The Samaritan/Samiri (Surah 20:85-88): Similar to the above, the text refers to a Samiri (Samaritan) present during the Exodus, creating the calf that the Israelites worshipped. Coins in Joseph's Time (Surah 12:20): Joseph's brothers are said to have sold him for "a few dirhams," which were coins that did not exist in that era, as coinage only originated in the 6th/7th century BC. The Crucifixion of Jesus (Surah 4:157): The text states, "they slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them," a direct contradiction to historical and biblical accounts of Jesus' death. Alexander the Great's Wall (Surah 18:83-101): The story of "Dhul-Qarnayn" (The Two-Horned One) building a barrier against Gog and Magog is widely considered a retelling of the Alexander the Great legends popular in that era, rather than an accurate history. >>ever read the QuranIts not that big of a book anon you could read it in a day if you really wanted.>>Should I also ignore these?Yes>>the slaughter they brought is smallRetard?
>>533851138>The Samaritan and the Golden Calf (Surah 20:85-88, 95): The text claims a "Samaritan" led the Israelites to worship the calf after the Exodus. However, the Samaritan group and the region of Samaria did not exist until centuries later.It wasnt a Samaritan, it says a man named Samiri did it. Now I'm questioning the rest of your post, but I'll still check them all later.>>>the slaughter they brought is small>Retard?Look at your own contry's history, anon. Your former empire wiped out entire continents. India had it the worst, where between 30-100 million people diedin the 19th Century. Muslims were nowhere that bad
>>533847641>CatGirl Kulak
>>533843200>Thanks for admitting that atheism is unreasonableThat's not what I said. Why are you being dishonest?
>>533848276Is it?
>>533844309>>Agnostic atheist>No anon, you're not an atheist. You never were and never will be.Learn what atheism means bud
>>533838918https://youtu.be/WKHdyhmolMw
>>533843312Revelation is the culmination of the Bible.It cannot be understood without the previous 65 books.
>>533854406yes, and?
>>533845919>I can beat you in chess you stuoid bitch.You cower everytime. Watch. White pawn to e4
